But remember: Pat Robertson is the one who really threatens gays. An update on this story. Sharia Alert from San Francisco: "Hayward Men Out On Bail After Admitting They Came To SF To Shoot Gay Folks," from SF Appeal, March 5 (thanks to David):
Three Hayward men are scheduled to be arraigned on assault and hate crime charges in San Francisco next week for allegedly shooting a man they thought was gay with a BB gun.The Feb. 26 incident took place at about 10 p.m. outside a Mission District bar at 16th and Guerrero streets, according to police.
The 27-year-old San Francisco man had just come out of the bar when he was shot once in the cheek by suspects in a nearby car, which then drove off, police spokesman Officer Samson Chan said.
The man was not seriously injured and called police, and while officers were interviewing him outside the bar, he spotted the same vehicle again driving by, Chan said.
Police pulled the car over and found three men inside with a "rifle-style" BB gun and a video camera, which investigators later discovered had recorded the shooting, according to Chan.
The three men, Shafiq Hashemi, 21, Sayed Bassam, 21, and Mohammad Habibzada, 24, the driver, were arrested.
According to Chan, they allegedly admitted to the crime.
"The suspects did make a confession, basically stating that they came to San Francisco to target gay people," he said....
I wonder what other incriminating evidence is on that tape? If there is any, so far the police aren't talking...
I guess asking them to comvert to Islam is no longer on the table
No wonder. When watching Sean Penn on Entertainment Tonight yesterday explaining his latest publicity stunt, he looked confused, even kinda cross-eyed. I mean, I know, he always looks confused, but yesterday's interview announcing he's gonna take his kids down Haiti to help save everybody, it seemed as if he'd heard about the crime spree by these SF Moslem Activists and was having a flashback to his Harvey Milk character.
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Great actors really immerse themselves in their characters, you know. And Sean is such a character. And doggone it so are these fun loving Moslem boys with the guns. They should do a movie about their adventure.
tilt....s/b convert...
They best hope the 'Frisco penal system supplies free KY jelly...
Um, how many gay men has Pat Robertson shot in the face again?
Shafiq, Sayed, and Mohammad
Great first names, so dashing. I tellya these kids are barrel of monkeys. If wonder if any played for the hoops team back in high school.
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But he mispelled Mohammed.
Robert,
Assuming these creeps felt they were justified by religion, where do they draw their justification from? I know sharia prescribes death for homosexuality, but, since Islam is so obsessed with every act and utterance of Muhammad, are there places in the Qur'an or ahadith that condemn homosexuals? In other words, how do scholars of sharia justify their rulings?
"The three men, Shafiq Hashemi, 21, Sayed Bassam, 21, and Mohammad Habibzada, 24, the driver, were arrested."
American citizens? If citizens, how did they get here? And how did they obtain citizenship? And if there is no mechanism for expelling them, figure out what legislation is needed to make sure such people can be expelled, promptly, without more than a perfunctory hearing before a judge, and go easy on the procedural rigmarole required, please.
Time to put up "Sharia Now" billboards in SF...
with selected quotes from the ancient version of mein qwhoran.
The Jihadists may be a little challenged in this matter. What guy cares if another guy is homosexual? The three jihadists go out of their way to attack homosexuals? Why? All that means is more for the guy who is straight, it means less competition.
Why do they care?
Hugh wrote:
American citizens? If citizens, how did they get here? And how did they obtain citizenship? And if there is no mechanism for expelling them, figure out what legislation is needed to make sure such people can be expelled, promptly, without more than a perfunctory hearing before a judge, and go easy on the procedural rigmarole required, please.
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San Francisco, alas, is hardly the best place to push for deportations, no matter how warranted. It is a self-designated "Sanctuary City"—this was originally instituted to protect otherwise law-abiding illegal immigrants from being sent back to dangerous countries where they would meet with abuse, oppression or even death.
Whatever the good intentions of the original law, it has turned into a literal "get out of jail free card" for the most vicious felons at this point.
In a recent case—which has become notorious nationally—a violent "youth", Edwin Ramos—was shielded from immigration. He later went on to murder a man and his two sons...because their car briefly blocked his turning on a narrow street.
"Slaying suspect once found sanctuary in S.F.
Years before he was accused of killing a man and his two sons, Edwin Ramos was a teen criminal shielded by city from deportation"
http://articles.sfgate.com/2008-07-20/news/17173999_1_immigration-status-el-salvador-illegal-immigrant
Jihad-a-Roni, a San Francisco treat.
Homosexual activists, like their liberal feminist counterparts, ignore the tenets of Islam at their peril. And ours as well, since knowledge of the true aim of Islam is best learned and known by each one of us.
My, there are a lot of pro-gay people coming out of the wood work lately. ;)
Let's not pretend that Christians have not regularly beaten up gays--and sometimes killed them. And yes, they've been known to go to places deliberately to gay bash. Unlike anti-Semitic attacks, such anti-gay attacks, though declining, are still a problem.
Of course, Muslims can be counted on to outdo Christians in all kinds of evil, and Muslims cannot be educated out of it.
Here is a quite extensive answer. It explains how Quran and Hadith define homosexuality, why it is adultery and why it requires an extra-harsh death penalty:
http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503545556
'"The suspects did make a confession, basically stating that they came to San Francisco to target gay people," he said...."
The Muslims were just practicing their religion....
"Let's not pretend that Christians have not regularly beaten up gays--and sometimes killed them. And yes, they've been known to go to places deliberately to gay bash."
There is nothing in Christianity, the New Testament, that orders the harming and or/killing of homosexuals.
So, these "Christians" you speak of *aren't* Christians, are they?
There goes your "argument."
"There is nothing in Christianity, the New Testament, that orders the harming and or/killing of homosexuals.
So, these "Christians" you speak of *aren't* Christians, are they?
There goes your "argument."
Exactly, darcy!
This bunch was also in possession of "a video camera, which investigators later discovered had recorded the shooting, according to Chan."
Same M.O. as in the Twin Cities in November, where a gang of Somalis made random attacks and videotaped them for display on YouTube:
http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/dpp/video/video-minneapolis-somali-attacks-youtube-video
"The video rolled opening credits listing the following names: Abdul Yusuf (aka Lil stain), Abdul Abdi (aka Badelo Badelo), Sharmake Muse (aka Shark), Bahnan Abdi (aka Gun Play), Ali Muse (aka Jig Saw), Mohamed Abdi (aka Marvin), Guled Guled (aka G) and Abdulahi Ali (aka Bighead)."
You can thank your friendly U.S. State Department for the importation of these fine young fooks.
Just imagine how many generations of inbreeding it took, to produce these sterling citizens.
@exsgtbrown,
Hi! It's great to see you again!
"Abdul Yusuf (aka Lil stain), Abdul Abdi (aka Badelo Badelo), Sharmake Muse (aka Shark), Bahnan Abdi (aka Gun Play), Ali Muse (aka Jig Saw), Mohamed Abdi (aka Marvin), Guled Guled (aka G) and Abdulahi Ali (aka Bighead)." -
PW - Do you know fi these mothers were thrown into prisons?
From post above...Let's not pretend that Christians have not regularly beaten up gays--and sometimes killed them.
Lets not forget that some commenters are not too bright...
I will make it a point to go to SF and watch for gay bashing Christians, to run out of those evil Christian churches after Sunday services, shouting anti-gay slogans, and attacking the first gay people they come across...Yep...
Thanks, buraq_is_dead!
Contrast the media attention given to this story with the massive attention given to the Mathew Shepherd story, which included a movie and congressional hearings.
Couldn't be because they don't want to delve to closely into the root cause this crime, could it?
White Anglo men are always an easier -- and politically correct -- target than minorities and other politically protected groups.
I am glad to be back, I've been on dusty recons....learned a lot...
It is more necessary than ever to ban Muslim Immigration.
C'mon SkZion, isn't it really true that you've never been physically threatened or hurt by a Christian and that you are just upset because your conscience hurts whenever Christians are around? It must be awful for you every time you pass a church or hear the phrase "In God We Trust".
I hear the Obama administration is looking for a few good thought police. On your way to the White House employment office take a shortcut right through Tehran for about, oh, say, a month, and then come back and tell us all about those effing Christians. That's if you live that long.
Alarmed Pig Farmer,
I'm so glad you're back!
I do like the name of the San Francisco police spokesman: "Samson Chan".
Good protestant Biblical Hebrew first name - 'Samson'. Hope his parents named him that because he's built to match...
Chinese surname - 'Chan'.
I'll bet his family are far more thoroughly integrated into American society than any Muslim family - of whatever ethnicity - could ever be.
Another interesting aspect of this report - how the Mohammedan sharia-pushers were caught:
"The man [the victim] was not seriously injured and called police,
*and while officers were interviewing him outside the bar, he spotted the same vehicle again driving by*', Chan said."
In other words: this gay guy, though he must have been pretty shocked and scared and hurt, nevertheless still had his wits about him enough to recognise the attackers' vehicle when it went past again, thus being able to put the police onto them.
San Francisco cops and San Francisco Infidel citizens are not stupid nor cowardly. Once they wake up and work out they've got a Jihad problem coming at them from the Muslims, they'll be able to deal with it.
In regard to gay-bashing, it's likely that gays are at least as much victimizers as they are victims. John Gacy, Jeff Dahmer, Wayne Williams, and Juan Corona averaged over 25 murders apiece. Then there was the Prairie Grove, Ark. murder in Sept, 1999, of 13 y.o. Jesse Dirkhising, who was kidnapped, then raped and tortured for five days before being killed by two gays.
Gravenimage
you've mentioned that you have an Islamosavvy friend, a fellow San Franciscan, who is *both* gay *and* Jewish. Target for Jihad twice over.
I hope he has acquired, or is acquiring, some training in unarmed combat/ self-defence, and also acquiring a firearm and learning how to use it; it sounds like he and his friends might need such skills.
Have you had a chance to discuss this incident with him yet, and work out how you two can use it as a 'teaching moment', among gays in particular, to raise awareness of the danger from Islam?
Perhaps this story plus some of the info on the link 'buraq is dead' provided above, could be turned into a little flyer or pamphlet or even an eye-catching poster that your friend can circulate in places where other San Francisco Infidel gays can find them.
Searching both Twin Cities papers and the Fox outlet up there, I find nothing. "The law's delay," I suppose. You can see the video these pukes made at
http://www.startribune.com/local/stpaul/70539012.html?elr=KArksUUUoDEy3LGDiO7aiU
"Um, how many gay men has Pat Robertson shot in the face again?"
Oh, too easy. Too easy! ;)
"C'mon SkZion, isn't it really true that you've never been physically threatened or hurt by a Christian and that you are just upset because your conscience hurts whenever Christians are around? It must be awful for you every time you pass a church or hear the phrase "In God We Trust". "
Actually, Isabella, I was regularly attacked and threatened when I was young. Then I learned some karate. That doesn't remove that part of my history, though. Nor am I anti-Christian per se, though I do which they'd stop proselytizing Jews, especially in Israel.
Evidently, you are both too young and too historically ignorant to know how tremendously anti-gay Christians have been and remain, to a lesser extent, today. You can regularly see evidence of this animosity on most conservative web sites. Of course, most anti-gay actions perpetrated by Christians are not murders or attacks. But there have been plenty of the latter. For example, are you unaware of the circumstances leading to the birth of a serious gay liberation movement ("Stonewall") in NYC in 1969? Are you unaware that until Lawrence v. Texas, 539 U.S. 558 (2003), it was legal in some states to arrest someone in his own home for consensual homosexual acts (the so-called "sodomy laws")? Do you know that in Bowers v. Hardwick, 478 U.S. 186 (1986), the court ruled in DEFENSE of sodomy laws? In both Stonewall and the sodomy laws, it was official, legal policy to harass, arrest, and beat up gay people minding their own business. None of this was done by Muslims.
I thought I made it clear that Islam is far more anti-gay than Christianity. Islam is just plain evil. That is why the more pious the Muslim, the more evil are his acts. That said, just as I reject Muslim claims that those who do evil "are not Muslims," I must reject Christian claims that those who do evil "are not Christians." The key difference between Christianity and Islam is that Jesus, whom I do not regard as God, was a basically decent man; Mo was a fiend. I happen to agree that it is un-Christian to attack gay people. That is why things are better for gays in the US today than they were 30 years ago.
I am no leftist or Muslim sympathizer. I have written here before, and I am at least as anti-Islam as you are. What I will not do is lie about historical facts. That Christian hostility to gay people has decreased is both a fact and great news. The fact is, though, that the biggest reason gay ghettos exist is because they provide the security that would otherwise be absent. The one is a response to the other.
SkZion, this is Jihad Watch, not Christian Watch or I'm a Gay Victim Watch. You mistakenly think that your grievances have merit here and that we must address them because some Christian(s) somewhere at sometime made you feel like crap. Three words: get over it. Lots of us have been made to feel like crap by Christians, non-Christians and, yes, even by gays.
If you come here to be part of a group that is fighting against the worst system ever devised to control humankind then you are welcome. If your goal is to provoke people of good will and stir up drama then you make yourself insignificant and little more than a common irritant. We've had lots of gay people come here and spew about how awful the Christians are but the Christians aren't the ones demanding that their beliefs be taught in the public school system or suing people that don't share their views that they demand to be accepted. They also don't call every offense against them a hate crime and constantly seek revenge for any real or imagined slight.
You'll have to peddle your act somewhere else because frankly SkZion, nobody gives a damn.
Isabella, I have seen you confront Muslims here before, and you were fairly effective, as you had your Spencer talking points. In our exchange so far, however, you have been far less impressive.
In your latest installment, you spend plenty of time telling me what is, or is not, appropriate here, and what does, or does not, interest you. But who are you, and whom do you speak for except yourself? The only reason I bothered to respond to you was that I remembered you favorably.
Let's back up though. You retorted to my fairly tactful comment with a ludicrous and sneering comment about my personal history. I responded truthfully, having no need for hearsay or talking points. Then, I detail some "highlights" of Christian anti-gay behavior. I focused in particular on law enforcement and government generally, as this is really the most troubling thing, as it is the deployment of governmental force against citizens who just want to be left alone and are NOT sending planes into buildings. Then you changed direction and claimed that this wasn't "Christian Watch" or "Gay Victim Watch." Quite so, but it isn't a Christian missionary web site either.
When Spencer chooses to portray Christianity favorably regarding gay issues, the honest response is "favorable compared with Islam." When he holds up Pat Robertson, whose political power has been deployed against gay people for years, he chooses a bad poster boy. It is to Robertson's credit that he would not shoot a gay person in the face with a bb gun, or a real gun for that matter. This does indeed distinguish Robertson from any number of imams. But Robertson would and does promote dhimmitude for gay people in the US. Fortunately, Christianity doesn't have a doctrine of jihad and also respects secular authority. Spencer could have, and should have, made his point without using Robertson.
It's tough that things aren't black and white. Not too long ago, one could depend on most Christians being virulently anti-Semitic too. One can make a plausible argument that the Catholic Church remains so. But I don't harp on any of this because, really, the worst days of Christian anti-Semitism are in the past, certainly in the US. Furthermore, there have always been philo-Semitic Christians as well. This is one reason for the Balfour Declaration.
Lately, there is, alas, some revisionism about Christianity's anti-gay history. Some posters here (including you) pretend that heteros are as much victims of gays as gays are of Christians. What hooey! Try being honest.
Oh, and when you suggest that "the Christians aren't the ones demanding that their beliefs be taught in the public school system" I have to laugh. Christians have indeed demanded this (e.g., most notoriously school prayer), and in some places they are demanding that Creationism (I'm sorry, "Intelligent Design") be taught in biology class. American education is lousy enough without introducing such nonsense. Again, though, Islam is far worse. But of course! That is why I read this site and not pro-Islam sites.
My own "agenda" is to bring gays and Jews into the fold of the anti-Islam movement. You can then imagine how mortified I was to find numerous videos on Youtube from the so-called youngturks (really nasty Muslims, all of them) who actually use your friend Robertson as evidence to stir up gay people against Christians. A smart anti-Islam movement does not give ammunition to the enemy.
Enough. You are nothing if not tenacious, so I expect you will go on, at length, trying to cover your butt via further kooky empirical claims and diversions. If you have integrity you will simply admit that I have a point. I am 9/10 on your side. Learn it already.