"Some 1,500 years ago, it was decided for an individual's personal reasons that women should [be secluded] and since then millions of Muslim women all over the world have had to suffer it"

I always find that particular photo very, very disturbing.

They're green?

That is so pathetic. That Mohammedan males have perpetrated such sartorial horror upon Mohammedan females shows you exactly what kind of "men" they are. As men, they're total losers. Just like their loser political ideology and their loser countries.

This photo should evoke in any thinking and feeling person a visceral revulsion.

The striking likeness of these pathetic souls to the walking dead is not just virtual -- it is real.

Seclusion of women is necessary for Islam to maintain itself. Islam is powered by sexual frustration and repression. http://crombouke.blogspot.com/2010/01/islam-is-powered-by-muslim-sexual.html

This photo looks like something from a nightmare.
Oh - it is!

If only the muslim women were to revolt against this inhuman practice.
To readers who may not know the past Indian scenario:
In pre-islamic India women did not cover themselves up with shrouds.
But after the islamic invasion, it became a practice for non-muslim women to pull their saree over their face to keep muslim men from carrying away pretty or young women away from their families.
Even then it was not such a horrible shroud like this and this practice was not given any religious overtones.
After this threat receded, non-muslim women went back to their ways of comfortable clothing.
Muslim women should rise up to their men and refuse to wear such demeaning garments.
But its a pity that the brain-washing that islam does on its followers ensures that men and women lose their power to rationalise and think on their own.

On the vitamin D problem. In the UK, there's a growing problem with rickets in children, but no statistics are given as demographics of the sufferers.

However, the government, in its dhimmi PC role, attributes this to large numbers of children staying indoors and playing computer games.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1244988/Victorian-disease-rickets-rise-poor-diet-lack-exercise-doctors-warn.html

However, as an ex-medical biochemist, I know which demographic filled the wards at the children's hospital I worked at.

According to FT.Com (Finacial times)...

As Mr Sarkozy presses ahead with plans to ban the wearing of the burka in public places, the FT’s latest Harris poll shows the move is not just strongly supported in France, but wins enthusiastic backing in the UK, Italy, Spain and Germany.

This is going to go over like a lead balloon...in Islamic circles...Don't they know this may injure Mahoundian 'sensitivities'?

Somewhat related:

Raymond Ibrahim, author of The Al Qaeda Reader, discusses How the Islamist Mindset Rationalizes — and Promotes — ‘Sex Sins’ over at Pajamas Media.

Is it inconsistent for Muslim “holy warriors” to engage in voyeuristic acts of lasciviousness? Because would-be jihadists and martyrs have been known to frequent strip bars — such as the 9/11 hijackers and Major Nidal Hasan, whose “late-night jiggle-joint carousing stands at odds with the picture of a devout Muslim” — many Americans have concluded that such men cannot be “true” Muslims, leading to the ubiquitous conviction that they are “hijacking Islam.”

In fact, Islamists rely on several rationalizations — doctrines, even — that make “jiggle-joint carousing” consistent with Muslim piety. Considering that Islamic law permits sex slaves (Koran 4:3), who can be kept topless by their masters, and makes sex one of the highest paradisiacal rewards, this should come as no great surprise. However, to elaborate:

First, the doctrine of taqiyya allows Muslims residing among infidels to deceive the latter by, among other things, behaving like infidels, e.g., frequenting strip bars: “Taqiyya [deception], even if committed without duress, does not lead to a state of infidelity — even if it leads to sin deserving of hellfire.”

In conjunction, the overarching Muslim principle that necessity makes that which is forbidden permissible goes a long way in helping Islamists validate their libidinous desires: “It is ‘necessary’ for me to be at this strip club so infidels come to believe that I’m just a regular bloke and not a soldier of Allah.” Indeed, sometimes the mere gratification of sexual urges is deemed a “necessity” that makes the forbidden permissible in Islam, as in this historical anecdote:

After conquering the Banu Mustaliq tribe in 628, Muhammad’s men deemed it “necessary” to rape their captive women (citing their wives’ absence and untended desires). However, they also wanted to sell these women for a profit, which posed complications, as copulating with them risked impregnating them. So they rationalized that ‘azl (coitus interruptus) would solve the problem and asked Muhammad. The prophet went one step further and offered a cosmic rationalization, dismissing coitus interruptus as unnecessary, “for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born” — that is, pullout or not, you cannot thwart Allah’s will, so don’t bother. (See here and here for more ‘azl quotes.)

Muhammad also maintained that death in the jihad not only blots out all sins — including sexual ones, a la voyeurism — but it actually gratifies them:

The martyr is special to Allah. He is forgiven [of all sins] from the first drop of blood [that he sheds]. He sees his throne in paradise, where he will be adorned in ornaments of faith. He will wed the ‘Aynhour [a.k.a. “voluptuous women”] and will not know the torments of the grave, and safeguards against the greater terror [hell]. … And he will copulate with 72 ‘Aynhour (see The Al Qaeda Reader, p. 143).

In light of this, how “un-Islamic” can it be for Islamists to gawk at nude, gyrating, infidel women — especially prior to “martyring” themselves in the jihad, which, as Muhammad said, blots out all their sins? This rationalization has precedents going back to the Middle Ages: Muslim groups like the Isma‘ilis created hidden “gardens of delight” swarming with voluptuous women, and, prior to sending their assassins on missions, would immerse them in these gardens, thereby giving these prototypical “suicide attackers” a foretaste of the sexual delights awaiting them in the afterlife. After this experience, the assassins would eagerly undertake any assignment simply to be “martyred” and return to the gardens of delight, which were based on “the description Muhammad gave of his paradise” (see Marco Polo’s 13th-century account).

Nor has this intersection between sex and violence subsided in the modern era. The Arabic satellite program Daring Question recently aired various clips of young jihadists giddily singing about their forthcoming deaths and subsequent sexual escapades in heaven. After documenting various anecdotes indicative of Islamist obsession with sex, human rights activist Magdi Khalil concluded that “absolutely everything [jihad, suicide operations, etc.] revolves around sex in heaven,” adding, “if you look at the whole of Islamic history, you come up with two words: sex and violence.”

Deceit, rationalizations, and a paradise that forgives the would-be martyr’s every sin — indeed, that satiates his hedonistic urges with 72 voluptuous women (which may only be raisins) — all help demonstrate how Muslims can be observant and simultaneously frequent strip clubs.

Yet there is one final explanation that requires an epistemic shift to appreciate fully: in Islam, legalism trumps morality, resulting in what Westerners may deem irreconcilable behavior among Muslims, that is, “hypocrisy.” As Daniel Pipes observed some three decades ago in his In the Path of God:

[There is] a basic contrast between the Christian and Islamic religions: the stress on ethics versus the stress on laws. Controls on sexual activity directly reflect this difference. The West restricts sex primarily by imbuing men and women with standards of morality. … Muslims, in contrast, depend on “external precautionary safeguards” [e.g., segregation, veiling] to restrain the sexes. … Rather than instill internalized ethical principles, Islam establishes physical boundaries to keep the sexes apart.

In this context, the problem is not Muslims frequenting strip clubs, but misplaced Western projections that assume religious piety is always synonymous with personal morality — a notion especially alien to legalistic Islamists whose entire epistemology begins and ends with the literal words of seventh-century Muhammad and his Koran.

And it is this slavishness that best explains Islamist behavior. For the same blind devotion to the literal mandates of Islam which encourages Islamists to lead lives of deceit also explains why Islamists are callous to human suffering, why they are desensitized to notions of human dignity and the cries of their raped victims, and, yes, why they cheerily forfeit their lives in exchange for a fleshy paradise. In all cases, Muhammad and his Allah said so — and that’s all that matters.

Given this level of dehumanising under islam, why do many liberal and well educated western women willingly convert? Islam deprives women of their basic human rights, their dignity and their individuality, not to mention their creativity, compassion and education.

There must be something truly, psychologically wrong with anyone who submits themselves to this depravity.

This is sadomasochism. Any woman who makes excuses for this cult sexually gratifies muslim men.

And stories like this, combined with the 'Submit' button for comments invokes my 'loaded language' hot button.

They don't need vitamin D. Allah will provide her with Whatever vitamins she needs, just as allah will provide 4 witnesses if she is, in fact, raped.

If allah doesn't provide it, then he doesn't wish her to have it.

Hermit said: "Any woman who makes excuses for this cult sexually gratifies muslim men."

That is one of my peeves about Western muslimahs. They insist islam treats women decent and honorably, but none have the conviction to actually move to an islamic country.

Yet, by their support of this death cult, they are complicit in condemning these slaves of islam to further indignity and abuse.

Damn it. It was posted up.

Do they get SAD syndrome as well as vitamin D deficiency?

SAD is also caused by lack of sunlight; the symptoms include negative thoughts and feelings, loss of self-esteem, hopelessness and despair,apathy, etc.

If they do, then it would be difficult for them to drum up enough energy to resist this appalling treatment.

A nightmare? It would be good to be so... it is reality :-(

I was recently at an event attended by Muslims and everyday Americans. There was a family there that brought their three year old daughter and their four month old son. The kids received much more attention than the mother, who was covered from head to toe. She wore a big floor length robe and a white niqab with only the eye slits to show who she was. I decided that since she was going to so much trouble to have no one look at her, I would oblige her.

During the course of the event we had a discussion and her husband, while quiet, was very smiley and appeared to be jovial. But I couldn't stop thinking about how while he was engaged in conversation and other people made comments about how cute his kids were and the little girl actively responded to the attention, his wife just sat there like yesterday's bag of trash.

During the course of the discussion someone brought up the negative verses of the Qu'ran and some people got very defensive. Later we went around the circle and people who hadn't spoken before were encouraged to talk. The wife in the niqab seemed very shy and she said in perfect English that her English wasn't very good. Her husband said something along the lines of she doesn't really like to talk so much. I spoke up and said I thought her English was just fine.

When the evening was over I was walking out in front of the couple with the kids and the husband caught up with me to give me a copy of a certain translation of the Qu'ran. I thanked him and we made a little small talk and I encouraged the woman in the bag to speak more and again reassured her that her English was fine. Her husband said something and I commented that I have no problem speaking up to which he said, yeah I can see that. He then told me that his wife was a dentist and I just looked at her and I said, back in your country? And he said, yes.

Now I ask you, why would you have a woman who is a dentist be relegated to living in a Hefty Bag? That poor Muslim guy thought he was giving me that book of translations in order for me to more easily convert to Islam. Too bad he has no idea that I attend JWU and that after studying here for six years and then observing the treatment of his wife I will use his gift to destroy his political system.

So, you don't think that islam is wholly evil and misogynistic towards women? Well this photo shows otherwise. I mean what an oppressive looking bunch of women! ...and I wouldn't want to get downwind of this fashion show: P U!

Notice the one with the headband. Also notice the subtle differences between the others. Whenever I see a picture of Muslims, even males, dressed in the long pajama type garments, some with various types of head cover, the occasional western style dress, it would be interesting to know what the significance of the differences is if any. Is that fact that one is wearing some particular combination of head cover and/or draping garment meaningful in any way, perhaps it is only in certain circumstances, or is it no more significant that the different color t-shirts one might see in a crowd at a basketball game or other western event. I'm thinking along the lines of how in an office one might have the president in a full suit, while some clerks would be in short sleeve shirt and tie. You can make some judgments about their class and position based upon how they are dressed. Similar distinctions must exist in the Muslims world (they are so obsessed with position and status) but perhaps to the outsider it is not decipherable.

Creepy photo, but how fitting because Islam is pretty creepy.

Good narration, by the way, Isabella. That poor Muslim schmuck had no idea whom he was giving that copy of the Koran to. You know, Cato the Elder often spoke about how Carthage must be destroyed (Carthago delenda est). Well, I don't think Carthage really deserved the destruction which it got as a result of the Third Punic War but I am certain Islam deserves destruction and so good luck with doing your bit to destroy the political system which is Islam. Islam delenda est.

From a distance you can hear a man shouting towards the crowd of women ....

"Hey, Slave, I'm hungry ...what's for dinner?!!!"

...and then they ALL turn and look in his direction.

here the copy of article, that put Muslims up the heels..

http://taslimanasrin.com/OPINION.pdf

President Obama, Cairo, 2009:

"Likewise, it is important for Western countries to avoid impeding Muslim citizens from practicing religion as they see fit - for instance, by dictating what clothes a Muslim woman should wear."

There you have it folks. He said this. Take it for real. An American woman that is married to a Muslim should forfeit her 1st amendment rights for the sake of her Muslim husband DICTATING what she should wear and our President thinks this is a good thing!
He also said:

"That is why the U.S. government has gone to court to protect the right of women and girls to wear the hijab, and to punish those who would deny it."

So now he would PUNISH you if you were to help her with her civil rights if it goes against the DICTATES of her husband's religon.

Where ae the Feminists now???

One muslim man to another.....See that girl over there ?? yeah she's hot...LOL

Compare and contrast that horrifying, dehumanizing photo above with the sort of Taqiyya-filled crap we hear in the West all the time. This, from an article published not long after 9/11:

"Muslim women say veil is more about expression than oppression"

"Educating America

In its purest form, scholars stress, Islam is the most progressive of all religions when it comes to women's rights. The Quran permits them to own their own businesses, to inherit wealth, choose marriage partners or divorce them, although those freedoms have been severely curtailed in some countries, depending on local customs and traditions."

How anyone could bring themselves to write such rot is beyond me. She then goes on to falsely claim that Muslims first started using hijab in emulation of *Byzantine Christians*.

http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20011028muslimwomennat3p3.asp

Also, notice, it is *America* that needs educating about how great the veil is.

There are also numerous references to how "frightened" hijabbed women felt after 9/11. Of course, it was almost 3,000 *Infidels* who were murdered by Muslims on 9/11, but you would never know it from this piece.

This article is just one of scores I have read over the last ten years telling Westerners that they are too narrow-minded to understand how "liberating" the veil is.

I'm sure the women in the photo above feel good and "liberated".

I recognized a good friend of mine in the photo she has changed a lot, I don't know why ?

What is very disturbing with this picture is that it's real it's not a Freak movie it is the reality for hundreds of millions of women with and as we know all it entails to be a Women in the Muslim world,it's a pure permanent Nightmare.

They are
"Slave Rags". jdamn

I always thought that said it perfectly.

Like a hippys long hair or a gangsters asinine clothing...a means to express ones identity, beliefs...
The rags of the slave say it all.

I surrender my liberty. I surrender free will. I surrender.

islam is a lie and
Truth is killing it.

The one in the middle...it's an ad for an eatery. It reads
"Eat At Joes."

Or perhaps she was bad, and it reflects her infraction.

"Failed to Provide Sex Last Night."...or the opposite...praise for a good performance.

Maybe a "For Sale or Trade" sign...

islam is a lie and
Truth is killing it.

Trophy Wife, misogynist mohammedan style ....

They look like those terra cotta Chinese soldiers
from the Han Dynasty at X'ian, China.

...does it make me a bad person that my first thought was:

"whoa! Check out the hot chick in the middle!"?

Sarcasm.

I'm riddled with it :)

See the sexy one with the peep-hole...row 4, 3 from the left ?

"Vitamin D anyone" ?

I think they need Vitamins A, B-6, B-12, C, E, H and K as well...

Most of the commenters here, apparently, look at this photo and see Poor Female Victims Who Need to be Saved from Their Muslim Men.

I look at this photo and I see an Army of Stockholm-Syndrome Stepford Wives, supporting and enabling the same Islam that enslaves them and that wants to enslave or kill me.

My first time here, although I have been reading this blog for 3 weeks, which I happened to stumble onto.

I need to make my mind up on Islam which I always thought was a serene, mild and peaceful religion; however at the moment I must bow to superior knowledge of the postees here on this matter as I am green.

A most intriguing picture, but I wonder whether it is a setup. The subject matter (focal point) is the one in the middle with the Arabic writing whilst others around have shades of pink and green which may not be allowed.

Obvioulsy we have no video footage or sound so don't know whether these are simply dressed up dummies.

Non of the women have their hands up in the dawa pose; I am inclined to say that this is designed to show muslims women in the worst frame of reference; I'm sorry but I think it is a put up.

Howdy kids,

Wow, the gangs all here! A very good omen for a pleasant Tuesday evening.

Tanstaafl, I hope I made that Muslimah's day, now that you mention it. When I had the chance to listen to her speak I thought she was very sweet and kind of shy. Her husband didn't invite her to speak though; even when someone else did he made excuses for why she doesn't. I wondered later if she had been allowed to speak what she might have been able to tell us. Having been married years ago to a control freak I recognized what her husband was doing with his smiley face. 'Sorry Abdullah, not buying it.

Her little daughter, on the other hand, did not strike me as sweet. She made eye contact with me several times in the course of the evening as I was sitting across from her and each time I smiled at her she stared at me with no response. But she wasn't daydreaming, no, it was an intent stare and I thought strange coming from a three year old. If any of my kids had done that to an adult I would have made them straighten up and fly right. As a result people tell me all the time that my kids are so polite. (I always think, my kids? You never saw them in their teenage years.) But there was something very cold in this little girl's demeanor. I wasn't shocked by it since I understand that Muslims teach their children to hate non-Muslims from a very young age and have seen the videos of the two and three year old girls reciting unpleasant verses from the Qu'ran. Still, it was interesting to face the beast from ten paces in the eyes of a three year old Muslima.

One other thing Tanstaafl, you said:

"That hefty bag is designed to cut off contact with the outside world."

I remember having to control my upchuck response the other day when I first saw the woman in the niqab. Then I had to pretend like I wasn't as angry as I really was. I thought, the dhimmies amongst us here will work diligently to not notice this woman is different than the rest of us because Christians honestly try not to offend other people when they are in full on Christian mode. But I remember thinking how ludicrous it all was. There were several other Muslimas in four inch boots and blue jeans, hair flowing and covert hostility at the ready. Why, if we are told this is a sacred obligation, were they defending Islam so vehemently but not wearing the uniform? Which is it, a choice, an obligation or a non-issue? In this case Yankel's professor was correct. Bullshit is bullshit.

Wellington my dear, nice to hear from you. And you are correct. Islam must be destroyed otherwise in that picture you are looking at Darcy, Champ, Mrs. J's and my future.

Screw that. Not while I have a Catholic bone in my body. I don;t know how far I will get on my quest to destroy it but I will definitely be able to throw a few wrenches in the works.

; )

Well, Isabella, we have some mighty big dhimmis among our fellow Catholics. There is an online Catholic news website that posted articles about the cleansing of Christian communities from Iraq and other areas of the wonderful world of Dar al Islam. Guess what the "good Catholic" posters had to say? Seems it is all Bush's fault. No one would be suffering were it not for the war on terror.

When I pointed out it is more properly "defensive war against JIHAD" and cleansing of Armenian Christians by Muslim Turks took place 35+ years before Bush was even born, I was "obscuring" the point that war is not the answer, blah, blah. I pointed out that jihad had killed 2 million Christian and animist Sudanese for over 20 years before 9/11. Not relevant as far as they were concerned.

Invitations to them to pick up books by Mr. Spencer, Dr. Wafa Sultan, Nonie Darwish, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, etc. met with scorn as well.

There is none so blind.....

And, Isabella, while I have beautiful Italian blood running through my veins, muslims' dreams that Islam will conquer Rome will end up meeting with their worst nightmare. (apologies to Signore Stallone)

Alaskan Infidel, yeah, that truth stuff is pretty powerful as a disinfectant. When I'm arguing with some poor Muslim or useful idiot/fellow traveler online I'll bring up that little green book of Khomeini's. "If a man damages an infant by sodomizing her he is responsible for her care for the rest of her life." (I have a feeling that was the impetus for denouncing girls and honor killing them.) It isn't half like throwing water on the wicked witch of the west.

As for "planning a new life as a dentist in some small town where he can never find her" I don't think so . This woman walked into Christian church in that get up as if it was normal as the sun rising in the morning. She has been thoroughly subjected and brainwashed. While very smiley her husband was a big guy and could probably beat the crap out of her without giving it a second thought. And he probably has brothers back in the old country who would take her out if she ever tried to get away so I think she is pretty ensconced in her subjugation. Her baby was adorable, cooing and waving his hands and feet like little four month olds do and I'm betting that he is where she has some pleasure in her life. The three year old seemed so much more confident than her mother. I'm betting she is being fed a daily diet of propaganda against the infidels and this makes her aware of her supposed superiority. Too bad she has no idea what her future holds.

But then there is the rub. Do Muslim women get through their days by telling themselves they are superior to us so that they miss how shitty their lives really are when hubby doesn't let them talk, doesn't let them be seen or hubby uses them as a punching bag because Allah said he could? I've been thinking about this for a long time and it's really bugged me because I just couldn't for the life of me understand how they could be so oppressed and yet so arrogant at the same time. But this is now starting to make sense. Muslim woman are treated like garbage. When they come into a situation where they have the upper hand like if they had a maid or if they file a lawsuit against Abercrombie & Fitch because they aren't allowed to wear their headscarf to work and the dhimmies over at the ACLU are happy to help them screw over some company, they feel the power that is not afforded them in their own families.

Sorry girls, I was cooking dinner in between working on that last post and missed your posts before I hit send. Let me eat this and I will get back to you shortly.

Hugs,
Isabella

You are spot on, IsabellatheCrusader. Nonie Darwish discussed just such a psychosis in her book NOW THEY CALL ME INFIDEL.

Mr. Baroods states:

"Obvioulsy we have no video footage or sound so don't know whether these are simply dressed up dummies. "

short video clip: Try eating spaghetti dressed like that

or

Burka on a treadmill

or

Women Abused For Not Following "Islamic Dress Code"

or

Ayaan Hirsi Ali & Theo Van Gogh's film "Submission"

or

Movie, "Osama" a 2003 film made in Afghanistan. It tells a story about a young girl who disguises as a boy, Osama, that exposes the cruelty of the Taliban, and was the first film to be shot entirely in that country since 1996, when the Taliban régime banned the creation of all films. The film was an international co-production between companies in Afghanistan, the Netherlands, Japan, Ireland and Iran. (entire film available athere, in ten minute segments

champ, darcy, and others:

Once again, I smell a rat. This time, that rat's name is "Barcode". Whether this rat is identical to the previous one we recently had the pleasure of chewing up and spitting out, or is simply another member of the same species & family, may not be determinable; and at any rate, it is of secondary importance.

Here's why I smell something fishy (pardon the mixing of metaphors):

Barcode begins by saying --

"I need to make my mind up on Islam which I always thought was a serene, mild and peaceful religion..."

This patently preposterous statement indicates not merely a passing ignorance of Islam, but a profound ignorance -- the kind that, as George above implies, indicates nothing short of a Rip Van Winkle nappy-poo.

Then, however, Barcode proceeds to analyze the photo that graces this thread:

"A most intriguing picture, but I wonder whether it is a setup. The subject matter (focal point) is the one in the middle with the Arabic writing whilst others around have shades of pink and green which may not be allowed."

And:

"Non of the women have their hands up in the dawa pose..."

These two statements suggest a person who has quite a bit of knowledge about Islam. In addition, Barcode's diction (with one or two forgivable lapses in typography) demonstrates a slightly above-average intelligence. And as we here at Jihad Watch have come to learn, there is one person worse than the one utterly ignorant of Islam who insists that "Islam is peace" -- and that is the person who knows about Islam, and still insists that Islam is peace, or affects a posture of on-the-fence skepticism with reference to a visible mountain of grotesquely damnable data about Islam right under his nose.

If Barcode knows such subtle things about Islamic societies as whether or not "shades of pink and green are allowed" in women's attire, and about the "hand raised in the dawa pose", then how could he possibly not know that this photo is in fact typical of societies where the disease of Sharia is more full-blown?

Finally, note the somewhat thinly veiled note of supercilious sarcasm:

"...however at the moment I must bow to superior knowledge of the postees here on this matter as I am green."

Bottom line: keep an eye out on Barcode.

In the same way that impostors are able to be smoked out here on the forum based upon their choice of words and knowledge of various issues, people living in lands subjugated by Islam are constantly scrutinized by everyone they come in contact with including their own family and friends and any hint of not being with the [Islamic] program is met with swift and sometimes fatal punishment.

Christians in Roman times would sign a fish in the dirt to secretly share that they were a believer with someone they suspected might be also, perhaps skeptical Muslims have some way of determining who like them also think that Muhammad and Islam are a bunch of crap but one has to believe they keep their chats very quiet.

I don't know Hesperado, I'll have to think on it a while. In all fairness to Barcode though before 9/11 if I ever thought about Islam at all I thought it was just another heretical religion but that it seemed pretty benign, but that's because I didn't know anything about it nor did I have any curiosity in order to find out. I hate to just throw Barcode off the bridge without letting him express himself a little more. But you do make some salient points, especially the one about knowing about "shades of pink and green which may not be allowed."

To Champ and BevC, as I study this picture another abused girl pops up in my memory. Check out minute 1:37.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uejh-bHa4To

The face of the frustrated Islamic male, minute 2:09 in the video above.

He wants me, for only part of the time,
He wants me, if he can keep me in line

While of course we feel the need to be on guard I think we have to give people who come here the benefit of the doubt for more than one post. Like Wellington said, if this guy isn't the real deal he will expose himself shortly. I always think about Yom/Naseem who posts stuff and then forgets what she wrote above or a couple days before that totally busts her.

I don't want to live in the Muslim world where everyone is suspicious of everyone else. But then maybe that is the price of admittance in 2010. You have to prove yourself before we will take you seriously. Still, I think its very sad.

Isabella, champ, Wellington:

There is a tendency even among intelligent and well-meaning people to assume that if you seriously challenge and criticize someone, you therefore want to ostracize and/or literally expel that someone. But even with someone as flagrant as Jim Foster became (or even with Yom or Mikail), I don't necessarily want to ostracize and/or expel them from Jihad Watch comments, and my critical challenges to them were mainly done in the spirit of expecting reasonable responses from them, and failing that, standing up to their unresponsive words and exposing them. I value free speech most of all -- so that includes the free speech of people like Jim or Yom, as well as the free speech of people like me, champ, darcy, George etc. in dishing it back to them. (The usual exceptions apply, like spammers or those who threaten other commenters, etc.) Their presence, and their flawed responses, tend to serve as spectacles useful for our purposes anyway.

So Isabella, my comment about Barcode is just a frontal and forthright observation; by no means do I hope or plan on trying to get Barcode ejected -- even if he turns out to be, indeed, a rat.

On a slightly less serious note, here's my impersonation of Barcode, if indeed he is a rat, and his response to the comments about him thus far:

Wow, I didn't expect such a flurry of comments in my honor from just one innocent post I made! Seems that I pushed some buttons, eh? A few of you here seem just a tad jumpy, do you have itchy fingers on that hangman's rope, ready to run me out of town for just making some simple observations I made? To "Hesperado"; yes, I know about the custom of not allowing anything but black, so my "pink and green shades" just shows basic logic. The hand raised in dawa comes from the time I spent in Tunisia working for the French Canadian Consulate in Canal Repairs in the Maghreb (North Africa -- ooh, another "proof" that I know too much about Islam! Better call out your deputies there, Hesp!) But for many years of my life, I had good reason to think of Islam as peaceful and serene, given the Muslims I had come in contact with, through work and social life (and I was the house guest of a wonderful Muslim man and his wife, children and extended family who showed me more generosity in one month than I have seen from the Christians I have known for years; this was in Fez, Morocco when I was part of an archeological dig expedition for the M.A.M.A.S. -- the Montreal Atlas Mountains Archeological Society). So, I'd say you folks need to relax and dial down your paranoia; just a friendly advisement.

(I.e., this would be the wrong type of response, one brimming with defensiveness, disingenuous protestations of innocence, unresponsiveness to points raised by challengers, trying to turn the tables around on his challengers, and continuing sneers of sarcasm.)

It is indeed an odd photo, but no less odd than the introductory comment by Mr. Barcode, especially with his "dawa pose" reference, which seems misplaced considering his self-admission of being "green".

We shall see.

Barcode, if you have any integrity, we need to hear from you. Otherwise, we will conclude the worst, as we should.

Barcode blew it with the "hands up in the dawa pose" comment. If he's "green", how would he know anything about what colors are permissible and the "dawa pose"? He was trying to plant seeds of doubt by implying that the picture is a fraud. And anyone living in the twenty-first century who still isn't convinced that islam is a predatory death cult is beyond redemption.

Islam is many things but "peaceful" and "serene" aren't two of them. Has anyone ever seen a "serene" muslim? What's the first adjective that comes to mind when thinking of muslims? For me, it's "surly", followed by deceitful, arrogant, mendacious, intolerant, supremacist, lazy, and deadly.

I think that we should also consider the impact that this misogyny has upon the women and their families.
-Meditate upon the repressed rage bottled up under those cloaks.
-Consider next that the only way a Muslima can divorce their husband is if that man is not a devoted Muslim.
-Now think on the fact that a devoted Muslim male will support the jihad - he must – if he is not to be humiliated by his wife (under pressure from the imam and the leadership).
-Thus the only human outlets for the rage burning within furthers extremism and abuse and hate within the culture and thus further radicalizes the culture.
....And can you imagine what it does to the kids?

I am an Indian Hindu temporarily in the US.
Will go back to India in a few days. I came to know of Robert Spencer on the internet and learnt a lot about islam, I had always thought why hindus deep in in their hearts don't like Islam, in general, those hindus don't know the intricacies of islam that we know through JW, but now i feel, they must intuitively know some of this and though they can't express reasons for not liking islam and may seem unreasonable, they are more or less correct in their judgment towards islam. i want to salute mr spencer for his knowledge and courage. i also admire this jw team and bloggers who raise a lot of hope for the future. western countries only can save the world from the Mo people. the indian politicians are too dhimmi and pusillanimous to tackle islam. i feel like when i go back to india i will be a prisoner in my own country, i can't speak my mind about islam.

Bill Maher's Burka fashion show...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIpdC0o3mdM

Hmmm...been hours now and...no barcode.

People, I donate to "Women For Women International."

Here's the link if you're interested:

http://www.womenforwomen.org/

People in burqas came from where, when, why and how? Study Islam's hairy history free online with the Historyscoper and master all the key facts fast and find out how deep the rabbit hole goes at http://go.to/islamhistory

I was slightly afraid to write back after the vociferous challenges to my 1st ever comment on a blog.

But I think some of the points raised indeed need to be answered. I work for a supermarket chain supervising till staff. Some of the till staff are muslim women and as supervisor I have known many of them for years.

I have always found them to be puntual, clean and very respectful; infact they are some of my best workers. Only once an issue of handling bacon came up (this was my 1st introduction to Islam) but it was easily resolved by the lady requesting to wear gloves at the till, which management through me agreed to.

Never has any of them asked for any favours or made unreasonable demands; so it is from this perspective that I have "touched" Islam.

Now nervously, I did show one of muslim lady this picture and asked whether she dressed like that ever. She said she never did but indicated that she that prayered always by lifting the hands upwards, that since none there did; that it is a fake.

Further prayer burkas are black or white, none of the green or pink, she thought that the picture was doctored. I don't know any better so I iterated her thoughts.

As to my own thoughts on Islam after 9/11, there have been many theories. Some say it was an Israeli plan, (as many of you will know they did the dirty in Dubai recently), some say it was an American administration plan, and I even heard that George Bush stayed on board Airforce longer than necessary on that day, not out of cowardice; but to get his story straight with his staff, also it could genuinely have been muslim terrorists, I guess one will never know definatively.

Ofcourse all these are rumours and I do not put much creadence on things without fact; I am not in America so I have to bow to your experience and superior knowledge on this subject matter.

But working with muslims has taught me not to "shoot from the hip"; the ones that I have met are decent people. That does not mean that there are no nasty ones too; there must be but I have not met any yet.

Please forgive me if anyone is offended, this is not my intention, I am here to learn and decide.

There are three rings to jihad:

1) Jihad against women. Dehumanizing women brings women and children under totalitarian control.

2) Jihad against lax Muslims men brings all Muslim men under totalitarian.

3) Jihad against kafir neighbours intimidates and terrorizes kafirs to not resist the destruction of national cultures and their replacement with Arab culture.

The dhimmification of free democracies is well under way. What are you doing to stop it?

Mr BScode's next comment will go something like this ...

"Rat? Liar? ..O, whatever do you mean?!!"

(RAT! LIAR!)

Gee, Mr. Barcode,

Kind of a tough outfit here, eh? But just because they may be a bit paranoid on muslims (wonder why?)...doesn't mean you might not just be out to get them now, does it?

Hope that helps!

G

Well, Barcode, as you can see by the comments here, this is a site where no quarter is asked for and no quarter given. Gotta' tell you, you haven't had a good start. You're down something like 21-0 and the second quarter hasn't even begun yet. And what AlaskanInfidel wrote in his 11:11 A.M. post above, especially the part about being either gullible as hell or stupid or a troll, is very hard to dismiss. Come back if you like but know that this is a pretty sophisticated bunch here at JW. You've been advised.

"As to my own thoughts on Islam after 9/11, there have been many theories. Some say it was an Israeli plan, (as many of you will know they did the dirty in Dubai recently), some say it was an American administration plan, and I even heard that George Bush stayed on board Airforce longer than necessary on that day, not out of cowardice; but to get his story straight with his staff, also it could genuinely have been muslim terrorists, I guess one will never know definatively (sic)."

LOL! MUSLIMS DID IT. MUSLIMS DID IT. MUSLIMS DID IT.

Hey "barcode" - can you spell "definitively."

You're a Muslim Apologist. Your English is too good to be a Mohammedan. You're a PC MC Leftist Apologist. IOW, you're an idiot. Get off our website, you jackass.

"...some say it was an American administration plan, and I even heard that George Bush stayed on board Airforce longer than necessary on that day, not out of cowardice; but to get his story straight with his staff"

People - We must get rid of this Muslim/Muslim Apologist.

Just think, barcode - the 19 mass-murdering Islamic Barbarians are down in hell with your "prophet." LOL! Exactly where they belong.

And I can't wait to read what Hesp & Awake may have to add, lol ....

"as many of you will know they did the dirty in Dubai recently"
What the hell does this mean? (out of internet time)

I am so shocked that so many people here have left their senses at home. Forgive me, but how can every muslim be a threat to you. Just sheer human decency says this to me.

Too much focusing on one thing can cause problems. Please let me say that I hope not all Americans think like this. I always thought that you were a proud and fair people, clearly I am wrong on this count for some Americans, most though I think are decent human beings.

9/11 was tragic with so many poor American familes being affected that day. I can still remember seeing the tradegy on TV & of hearing the rythmic "thud" of American bodies hitting the lobby roof; I mean that really made my heart bleed and I was sickened by it.

Who could do such a thing? It could be muslim terrorists, ofcourse it could, but how difficult would it be to play an "Allah Akbar" loop on the plane to cause confusion, to cause chaos after the event, to deflect and to blame a whole people. Please, the tradegy happened a while ago, none has thankfully been repeated so you do need to calm dowm and consider alternatives.

Be nice to people, muslims have lives too, we all do; I see them and work with them everyday; they are like you and me; normal decent people who are only trying to live thier god given lives. I promise to try and learn everyday; why not follow my example; at least it's not a flawed philosophy.

As a woman, I am outraged that some Muslim women are forced to completely cover up as though their very presence is an insult to male sensibilities (which of course, they are) and some women actually buy into this! When 50% of a country's population has to pretend that they don't even exist (except for procreation) there is something seriously MENTALLY ILL about such a society. Think of all the wasted talent and potential. It hurts deep in my soul. I refuse to apologize for being born a woman.

It's getting so that whenever I see a mozoid male I imagine "MC" branded on his forehead. That would not stand for "Male Chauvinist", but rather, "Mental Case".

"I can still remember seeing the tradegy on TV & of hearing the rythmic [sic] "thud" of American bodies hitting the lobby roof;"

The "Rhythmic thud"?

Mr. Barcode. You are not doing a very good job of disguising your intentions here. There was no "rhythmic thud" and what an odd description that was. The typical unfounded, yet deliberate accusations of trutherism you put forth, blaming the US government, or with the obligatory accusation of the Jews as the perpetrators of 9/11 doesn't help either.

But you already know that, don't you?

Mr. Barcode,

Here's your opportunity to educate us about this topic.

You state:

"The subject matter (focal point) is the one in the middle with the Arabic writing whilst others around have shades of pink and green which may not be allowed."

Please provide credible, verifiable sources that show that "shades of pink and green" burqas are (a) not allowed in the Islam, and (b) in fact not used by any Islamic groups.

You wrote:

"Non of the women have their hands up in the dawa pose"

Please explain to us (a) what the "dawa pose" is, and (b) why it is relevant to your claims about this photo. Please provide credible and verifiable references.

I am interested to know more, as I believe that your knowledge of this matter is probably superior to mine, but your answers to the above questions will suffice for now.

Well at least mr barcode was privy to a response from someone,...anyone.

...and Mr. Barcode, please ignore some of the cynical comments from some posters above...I do think we can learn something from you here.

I'm stumped on the "dawa pose", too. Also, how can one tell what the women's hands are doing? For all we know, they're all giving the photographer the bird.

To me, the burqas all look dust-covered, and very flat as to color.

I can't see any "liberation" in this photo. I see women in shrouds, awaiting their burial. Unpersons.

Islam: Un-creating Woman since 610 AD

We couldn't possibly learn anything substantive from MrBarcode; especially given his comments thus far. Most notably this one:

"As to my own thoughts on Islam after 9/11, there have been many theories. Some say it was an Israeli plan, (as many of you will know they did the dirty in Dubai recently), some say it was an American administration plan, and I even heard that George Bush stayed on board Airforce longer than necessary on that day, not out of cowardice; but to get his story straight with his staff, also it could genuinely have been muslim terrorists, I guess one will never know definatively."

And then this brilliant suggestion of his regarding post 9/11, following his first comment:

"Please, the tradegy happened a while ago, none has thankfully been repeated so you do need to calm dowm and consider alternatives."

These two comments alone prove my point, and they really speak volumes about his screwy worldview. I mean what could we POSSIBLY learn from him? Nothing. Not, in my estimation.

Wellington already covered most of this but I would like to offer this for you to ponder:

"Forgive me, but how can every muslim be a threat to you."

Forgive me, but how can every Nazi be a threat to you?

Forgive me, but how can every Communist be a threat to you?

Forgive me, but how can every MS-13 gang member be a threat to you?

Forgive me, but how can every Bali Bomber be a threat to you?

Forgive me, but how can every member of the Mumbai Massacre team be a threat to you?

Forgive me, but how can every member of the 9/11 nineteen be a threat to you?

Forgive me, but how can every rattlesnake be a threat to you?

Barcode sez...
"Please forgive me if anyone is offended, this is not my intention, I am here to learn and decide."

To this I say BULLSHIT!

and you guys know I don't cuss much

islam is a lie and
Truth is killing it.

Mr Barcode:
I am very willing to get you the benefit of the doubt, for far to many people that I personally know want to stubornly give islam the benefit of a 'cross cultural misunderstanding'.
1.The lady's reason for 'doubting' the picture is spurious. She was being defensive and felt intimidated ... (be careful)The picture does not say praying. They could've been listening, or preparing to pray... but to claim 'fake' is an accusation of liying, and explains the depth of animus toward you. so remember this: Hands are not always raised... ie in preparing to pray.
the "pinks" and "greens" shades are not necessarily a function of 'style' they could a function of poverty and re-dying old material that may be available at less cost. consider also the way sun fades material and affects dye and cloth.
The picture would not be faked, but it could well have been selected because of its remarkable uniformity. A picture with hands raised wouldn't have had the same impact., so those ones were likely left in a photographer's archive.

I have seen such languages by Muslims in youtube and other forums, the wordings and language are very similar. Barcode is a Muslim. He knows he is has lost the battle but he is desperately trying to save his revered Mo. He knows he cannot defend Mo, so deflection is his best defence. It's near impoosible to accept the truth for a Muslim, I pity him. Not his fault. as a science student, I would feel the same if now somebody says Newton, Einstein were crooks and the most wretched persons on the Earth and liars(may be not a good analogy). BTW, I have talked to a couple of educated Muslims too, they also think(no, sure) that 9/11 was done by Americans. Barcode will never 'definatively' know about 9/11 but he will always be definitive about Mo. darcy, I heard about the Demographic Jihad in 2001 in India, but I never believed it, being a staunch secualist. Alas, now I know, it must be partially true. And yes, bronish, in India, fortunately, at least the Internet access is mostly free(as in freedom).

Quote mr BarcodeBe nice to people, muslims have lives too, we all do; I see them and work with them everyday; they are like you and me; normal decent people who are only trying to live thier god given lives. I promise to try and learn everyday; why not follow my example; at least it's not a flawed philosophy.
Your philosophy is flawed: 'nice' is irrelevant. Truth is relevant. Truth with Love doesn't = 'nice'
you confuse 'learning everyday' with learning truth everyday. but you have no standard to figuring out what is 'True'.
You are the Everyman for the 21st century – a post-modern empty vessel of gullibility, one who will consider calumnious murderous conspiratorial accusations against your neighbors (with no proof, and plenty of counter evidence) and dismiss concerns about a philosophy of political and cultural domination because it doesn't fit some internal/media narrative of 'niceness' or 'consensus'.
We are not saying the cashier friend is evil and bad.... we are saying that she is a victim of no choices, She has no information concerning an alternative worldview to islam that is moral. (and then you have to explain to her a morality that different from the the islamic one which is a misogynistic shame/honor/fear/powerlessness moral structure) hint: It isn't the morality exemplified by the media , the politicians, or the entertainment industry.

Well, I guess I was right about Barcode. Thanks to all the posters for keeping his feet to the fire; but most of all, thanks to Barcode himself for putting his foot in his mouth a few more times. At this point, Barcode has a considerably rough hill to climb to get back to an even playing field. I won't hold my breath that he will take even one step in the right direction to restore his credibility.

NEXT!

I was disappointed to see how people "selectively" chose bits of my replies and ignored others.

You focused on the "thud" of American bodies, and however emotional this maybe, nevertheless it was true. The firemen in the lobby were looking up and waiting to hear for the next one. My supervisor job asks of me to deal with facts and figures; how many items are available on the shelves, where are they, chasing suppliers for just in time supplies, who will stack them etc. Cold hard non-ignorant facts to keep things going; NOT flights of sick fancy (live believing in baby sodomy)that people here want me to believe in.

Nevertheless what I followed with was that "the thudding really made my heart bleed and I was sickened by it". This was singularily ignored; why?

I fully realise that it was not just the 3000 dead that day, it was their families too; possibly upto 100,000 people were affected directly of all races and creed; many muslims too were affected. America that day lost many family bread winners, fathers, mothers, friends as well as industry experts. Also, no one can put a figure to the economical damage, it must have been in the 10s of billions.

Further, millions were affected who watched it on CNN, the physcie of the whole nation was affected, America was shaken at the foundations, it no longer felt strong, it's leader was hiding in the skies for a while, so I know & understand the extent of the damage done; please don't belittle this American tradegy, I am with you completely in understanding the depth of this ghastly and dastardly act, and it sickens me to this day.

Champ , no I am not muslim , but in truth I have a passing interest in it and the people who practice it, & the woman's viewpoint in particular because you say they get such a raw deal. My conversations (admittly to a near zero sample size) lead me to think that actually they are very happy and proud to be born into Islam. Does this mean that they lie? Why practice something and lie about aspects of it; they don't look unhappy, the children (of the ones that I know) by all accounts are doing well in our schools.

Alaskaninfidel, sorry I am not ignoring you, I simply don't have answers to the questions you ask of me. I don't know about the sodomising of babies and it's sensitivity is not something I am willing to talk to my workers about. Please provide evidence or a link that I can read up on, and then I'll reply and provide an informed opinion, but that's all it will be as it COULD be someone else's biased opinion; I need facts and figures.

I genuinely don't know about Khomeni's "green book". Is this like a secret black diary that has become available since his death? Please if you have time provide a link to his green book if possible; until then please forgive my lack of knowledge, and I bow to your advantege on this.

Already I am starting to see my workers in a new light and it is making me feel guilty; they have done nothing different and I am feeling biased; this has to be wrong.

"many muslims too were affected."

Shut-Up, barcode. You have some nerve. Oh the poor Mohammedans! Boo-Hoo! Don't you dare mention Muslims in connection with 9/11 unless you are condemning the mass-murder Jihad of the 19 Hijackers, who have been writhing in hell with their false prophet since that morning.

People - bc is still conning you and you're being punk'd. He's an educated Muslim, perhaps a convert. He can't seem to spell "tragedy" correctly however - perhaps that's on purpose.

Stop believing his "I'm so ignorant and never heard of this or that" BULLCRAP! He's not here to "learn" -! lol! He's here to punk you all.

As Alaskan Infidel asserted above:

"I am so shocked that so many people here have left their senses at home."
Really? You throw that insult out and expect to have rational discourse with those here? You write of the rhythmic thud of American bodies hitting a roof? You POS. You sorry sack of human detritus. You are not worthy to clean the toilets of those you insult.
Ya done pissed me off boy...be glad I cannot reach out and touch you punk. You would most certainly wake up with a crowd around ya.
Now....PISS OFF!"

Exactly.

Mr Barcode, you work together with nice people who happen to be Muslims. And humans are complex-beings who can be very nice, beautiful in mind etc, agreed. And by all means we should be nice to them when we cooperate with them or meet them in public, no problem. No one here wants to infringe on any one’ private life and choices.

But you ask: How can every Muslim be a threat to you? I take my clue from Wellingtons answer:
“You confuse criticism of Muslims with criticism of Islam. Not all Muslims are evil or a threat, but all Muslims are confused and their belief system, Islam, is a mortal threat to freedom; is, in effect, evil.”

Now comes my question to you: “Which is your primary assumption about Islam;
I. That it must be considered innocent until proven guilty and that there is no proof of it’s guilt”
Or II. Wellingtons:
“What matters is that the doctrine itself is putrid in numerous respects, is forever existent, and that at least some Muslims will definitely try to implement all of these Islamic pathologies on the rest of mankind.”

Now I present to you the Muslims who want to exonerate Islam from causing any oppressing and violent behavior done by Muslims, often in Islams name in their own words. They can be your source and you would argue that they know their own faith best and that they must be innocent until proven guilty, so telling you by and large the truth.

Then I present to you the Islam-critics who allege Islam is totalitarian ideology, oppressive of women and minorities etc. They can be your source too. They can be honestly concerned and have honorable motives instead of only desiring to paint it as black as possible because of simple but hard to explain hatred. And consider that it is perfectly possible that they have a superior grasp of Islam, because they consider, like you do (?!), of human, not divine origine.

Now I suggest that you respect both of these groups and not only one of them, the Muslims.
I. Consider that both groups at least can have the same honorable or in contrast the same dishonorable motives (Muslims can have these as well as their detractors).
II. Consider that you, by your own admission, are hopelessly ignorant and uninformed and that the Islam-critics by now are very well informed about Islam, many of them being ex-Muslims. That means that they are far better qualified than you to determine whether or not Islam “must be harmless, therefore defended, exonerated at all costs”. III. Consider that as much as 95 % of Muslims only have a scanty knowledge of Islam, and that their Islam-interpretations about countless issues in Islam are hopelessly confused and divided, that so many Muslims and their opinions are so often disowned by other Muslims, which weakens the defensive case of any one you hear from, as those of their Political-Correct allies, considerably, thereby strengthening the case for the Islam-critics.

Under these circumstances when you do not want to see all Muslims as a threat, and want to consider them all innocent until proven guilty, do not advise and oblige us to “Trust all Muslims completely, without even any inspection of their loyalties and ambitions and connections” either.

And do not “tar all religions with the same brush” as a hasty conclusion without having listened to Islam-experts on BOTH sides with due respect.

I do not understand what Darcy means by me wanting to "punk you all". The people here seem to be very adept to look after themselves, I don't undestand the suspicion or the charge.

Darcy, I am here to learn, but you are teaching me nothing by all your constant sheep like bleating of me me me.

It seems that 9/11 is still very sensitive to you all and that you cannot bear to talk about it. America got a whipping that day; it's fact and we must be able to face the fears, trepidations and the future prevention of such a thing happening again in your fine country.

I don't understand how swearing at me, or making silly "punk'd" accusations is helping in this regard.

Darcy do you not feel silly? Perhaps You could learn to control yourself and engage in dialogue?

If this this is too difficult for you, if your mind is now so biased, so warped that you feel punk'd by someone as lowly as me; perhaps it is time for you to take a break from this fine site.

Honestly, what do other people think about's Darcy's attitude and mouth? Perhaps he/she should take a break.

Champ and Darcy,

Believe me, I don't have any illusions about Mr. Barcode. His initial post in this thread--a post that was mocking, sarcastic, and superior--is basically a 100-foot wide billboard with flashing lights advertising his bad intentions. His comment about the "thud" of the bodies on 9/11 gives us some indication of the sadistic pleasure he still derives from thinking about "the Americans" getting "whipped" that day. (His paragraph about the "thud" of the bodies, and his paragraph where he suggests all the various wild theories about 9/11 are equally credible to him, would be good additions to be featured in the JihadWatch hate-mail bag).

That said, it was worth trying to get him to say something more explicitly self-incriminating (that's the sense in which we'd "learn" something). In addition, I don't believe all posters should necessarily take the same approach. (I also apologize to anyone who took offense to my calling some posters cynical above...I figured that long-time posters here would know that I was only saying that to try and soften up Mr. Barcode and let him think that I was someone he could talk to). However, Barcode has now continued to intersperse his hostile and sarcastic remarks with mock innocence...surely he knows that his first post gave himself away.

His subsequent conduct and his failure to respond to my post above indicates to me that his approach is not a propaganda jihad or apologetic but the jihad of taunting the infidels and wasting their time.

OK, this is just thinking out loud:

Know what? This guy's sounding more and more like our pal...FOSTER! Always with an answer, always with a new affront.

Notice his use of the word "bleated." Our old buddy used that same term. And now he's "suggesting" that Darcy "take a break," and trying to set others against her. Sound familiar?

He'll get nowhere attacking Darcy! She's a fighter who pulls no punches & takes no prisoners. Not like those compliant muslima sheep he works with! Can't take the heat in her kitchen? TAKE A HIKE!

I'm not saying BC is JF; just noting some similarities.

So this guy just came here to "learn," eh? And so he is!

Mr Barcode's above comment:

"...I am here to learn, but you are teaching me nothing by all your constant sheep like bleating of me me me."

"Bleating"? There it is. Hmm.

What a dead giveaway, Jim .....

AlaskanInfidel, I did get a chance to read up on the links you put up (thank you).

I have to say that I have never read something that could be more disgusting than child/baby thighing; absolutely revolting and I did not know about this.

I am Mr. Barcode and I deal with facts and figures everyday, The important thing to ask is "how many muslims men would follow this practice through?" I would venture such a small sample size that you could virtually ignore it. Nobody is going to marry a baby, so the procedure maybe documented, but ignored, this is just common sense, and I'll bet that you cannot provide me with global baby sodomy statistics. Your point is noted if you wanted to portray these people in the worst light.

Your link says that their prophet practised it too on Aiesha; that is sick, perhaps it was some sort of ritual back then rather than our intepretation, we cannot be definitively sure 1500 years later.

AlaskanInfidel, lots of nasty things have been written in the past and horrible things will be written in the future too but that does not mean they are necessary practiced.

Champ, save your guessing games for later, I am not Jim Foster, who ever he is/was.

I am not obsessed with 9/11, I sympathise as much as you, don't you read my comment about it being a dastardly/ghastly attack by someone.

AlaskanInfidel, that's not fair, I answered your questions, NOWHERE have I defended the disgusting practice of child sodomy. Because of it's disgust , it is likely that nobody practices it; this is fact not defence and that is what I said.

Why are you out to go for my jugular, I am on your side on this one; what else do you want me to say?

You OBVIOUSLY have not seen (or practice) the procedure, and that goes for me too. Your disgust stems from what you read; me too, the only thing I added further was that there are no stats to the practice ( now what is wrong in asking this question)?

The practice is horrible, anyone caught should be put in jail and up for mental evaluation. Do you need me to say more?

Mr Barcode,

We are discussing Islam here, the beliefsystem, with all its aspects, consequences, influences. We consider it man-made, not divine as the Muslims do. If you are not a Muslim, you to consider it manmade, of necessity.

A manmade beliefsystem can have many faults/ flaws/ shortcomings. And when it is not allowed to be improved upon in its texts, then it gets obsolete too. So we are very much justified in seeking and pointing out these imperfections and consequences of it in the real world. By now our group is highly knowledgeable about Islam, very well qualified to draw conclusions in an overall evaluation.

What Alaskan Infidel told you was about the writings of an Islamic clergyman, Ayatollah Khomeiny, revered founder of the Islamic republic of Iran. You can't deny it, why not admit that that is a severe FAULT of Islam, the beliefsystem? If you yourself so abhor the baby-sodomy-practice and he, undeniably condoned it?

You have to respect the Islam-experts who believe Islam was manmade, thus inevitably imperfect, thus quite possibly having a mixed, in part very detrimental effect on the behavior of people and the suffering of their victims.

You cannot indefinitely, as a principle of faith, keep exonerating this manmade beliefsystem of harmful influence. Not when its accusers are so much more knowledgeable than you are. You can only rely on experts on the sides of the Muslims, but it is increasingly apparent that they also cannot exonerate Islam of bad influence, when highly pressured by critical Islam-experts.

Took a look at this thread again when I came back from teaching and see that it has indeed gone on. Well, darcy, AlaskanInfidel, champ, Demsci, Hesperado et al. have said pretty much all there is to be said about Barcode. Wonder what tack the next troll will take here at JW. These trolls are not very good and perhaps we'll get more of a challenge someday. I get the sense we're playing against the junior varsity. Well, maybe that's all they got.

The picture...I believe I can see the woman at the bottom of the photo, second to the right, looking at the camera. Just her right eye is visible...unless I'm mistaken. Looks that way to me. Yes? No?

Barcode - "It seems that 9/11 is still very sensitive to you all and that you cannot bear to talk about it. America got a whipping that day; it's fact and we must be able to face the fears, trepidations and the future prevention of such a thing happening again in your fine country."
So he is not American. When he was asked if he was a muslim, he said he is not. That's a half answer. If he was not following the Taqiyya, his answer would have been - "I am not a Muslim, I am a hindu, christian(whatever, something) and i am a native of india, china(some country)." Mo has given a good arsenal of the Taqiyya to the faithful.

1. One of our regular commenters here provides the information that Muslims (he doesn't say "all Muslims") promote having sex with babies.

2. Barcode disputes that Muslims -- any Muslims, apparently, or enough Muslims beyond a minority tiny enough to be explained away as a dismissable aberration -- could actually promote having sex with babies.

3. Our regular commenter (cf. #1) provides the reference, to Ayatollah's own writing.

4. Barcode continues to dismiss this, with implications that the evidence is false, and hedging his bets with the supposition that even if it were true, it means nothing for significant numbers of Muslims.

Okay, that's where we stand. What Barcode failed to factor in -- but has no excuse not to -- is that the citation was to a Muslim cleric, the Ayatollah Khomeini, who has inspired MILLIONS of Muslims, particularly of the Shia variety. Indeed, Khomeini was able through his fame and reputation to galvanize a mass revolution that toppled the government of an entire country, Iran 1979. And this most famous Islamic cleric held in the utmost esteem by MILLIONS of Muslims, of the Shia variety, promotes having sex with babies -- and, incidentally, sex with animals as well.

I point none of this out with the slightest shred of hope that Barcode's twisted mind will change for the good. I point it out, rather, to illuminate the contours of that twisted mind.

During the Civil War, Lincoln had Federal troops go around and arrest newspaper reporters who were undermining the war effort. The same principle should apply to saboteurs like Barcode -- at least to the extent that they could ever wield influence beyond their pitiful lives.

I had a nice long post in the box but things crashed and all was lost. Argh.
So, since I wanna go to sleep, lemme make this quick observation and suggest a conclusion:
Observe that barcode interacts mainly with the vigorous attackers and not with those who have calmly interacted with his posts andnot attacked him.... its almost like 'he' is looking for that type of response. The internet has a term for that..... starts with a T....r.....o....l....l....
heh
why sekk the angry kind of responses?
1) to be a 'lucy warmen'(google it): to manufacture a case i)to harrass or ii)cause this site to be blocked by nanny-ware or human rights complaints' or iii)substantiate some media caricature of those concerned about Islam...
2) to increase a noise to content interference in order to reduce the effectiveness of the information given (because being 'nice' fits the current narrative of what to 'chose to be true' )
nite

Mr Barcode wrote:
"I have already learned that I don't want to have the blind hatred that some of you have here. I have beenn shocked by this; you may have your reasons if you have been personally affected, but to form extremist opinions based on books and stuff that happens in all societies; that's difficult for a lowly person like me;"

"I would certainly not let you get away without showning me some. Khomeni's little green book is only proof that he wrote it, it is not proof of "widespread activity"; and that is the point I am making".

The points we are making are: You object to our "hatred", but it is probably we who are seeing more than you, as you are here to learn. The opposite blind of hatred (of an ideology, not people) is blind trust. In a prey animal that is what kills.

On what base do you form your adamant opinion that Islam must be innocent, not until proven guilty, as we so amply provide proof of that, but under all circumstances, no matter what? Is it just based on the character and behavior of the many nice and honorable Muslims you know? But we are as nice, and honorable, that is just not a good base to endlessly trust Islam. And ignore the tons of evidence of its detrimental effects on other Muslims and their victims.
Should we let you get away with all your assumptions and lack of open-mindedness?

We form our opinions (whether they are extremist is rather relative, isn't it extremist to claim Allah sent Mohammed with a message to mankind?) about a manmade beliefsystem on its OWN texts. And about its detrimental effects on behavior of its OWN, self-confessed, followers all over history and the world.

Our experts argue that there is big qualitative and quantitive difference between the effects of Democracy and Islam. And you are no expert. It is OK for you to rely on Islamic, Political Correct experts, but it is biased to not equally respect and pay attention to our Islam-experts and weigh the evidence of detrimental influence of Islam carefully. There is evidence aplenty in this website alone, which you can't all ignore.

If you don't deny that Khomeiny wrote about baby-sodomy, and that Khomeiny's instructions are a part of Islam's teachings, then you already have admitted to a grave fault in Islam. If you then argue that people are not following this man's teachings, you only show the ineffectiveness of the Islamic beliefsystem, and people's ignorance of it, but NOT it's innocence or perfection.

And you can try tell your Islamic co-workers that you do not believe that Islam is Divine (EXTREMIST), and that it has demonstrable faults, whom they indirectly, BLINDLY, support by holding Islam as sacrosanct. That is more reasonable I think than to tell us we have "blind hatred, extremist opinions."

Lioren,

Good points. I doubt that Barcode will address your posts in this thread. In my opinion based on what I've seen to this point, he's here to waste people's time, taunt the Islam critics, and elicit reactions.

From Barcode the Clown...

That's my bad luck but in time it will be yours too as I will know more than you.

Now...why would it be "bad luck" for anyone here to know less about islam than Barcode? Just what the hell does that mean? How would his knowing more about islam than champ be a bad thing?
Strange.

Well Barcode...you have your work cut out for you if you intend to know more than champ, or darcy, or pretty much anyone here that is part of the anti-jihad bunch that gathers here.
As for what and who you are...? You live under a bridge. You eat passing goats. I'd say you're a Troll. Empirical evidence and all that.

islam is a lie and
Truth is killing it.