"Tell those clerics, Pakistanis and jihadis that you do not fear bomb blasts and acts of terrorism"

The girl is right: do not fear. Fight back against the jihad. Fear hands the jihadis a weapon. (Thanks to Desidude for the video.)

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Fuckin' A.

Be the lion.

Whoo!!!!!!! Kali HAS spoken!!

Interesting to see a girl making a fiery anti-terrorism, anti-Pakistan speech to an approving audience. But she, like most Hindus, doesn't know much about Islam, or is worried about Government censorship, to point out and condemn the source of all the evil. She is blaming Pakistan, not realising that Pakistan is a symptom, a victim of Islam. Islam that will not allow a country to live in peace, firstly with its non-Muslim neighbors and then, when they have been over-run, with its neighbors, and finally, with its own citizens. Islam is in its essence all about hatred, greed, deceit, strife and violation of human rights. Everything else is gloss and dissimulation.

Damn! All without a teleprompter.

Wow!

Me thinks this is not the last we heard from her. What's her name?

This is a firebrand, future leader potential!

slamdunk, hindus have been living with and being the victims of muslims up close and personal for a thousand years. I think most hindus have a pretty good idea of what islam and muslims stand for. most in the west just learned about the "fruits" of islam very recently.

This translation is botched Mr. S! At 0:25-0:26 she says "Isayoon ko". Isayee = Christian in Hindi. She is not saying "tell those clerics, Pakistanis and jihadis", she is saying "tell those clerics, Pakistanis and Christians".

How old is she?

Who is she?

Who is her audience?

The enemy of our enemy is not necessarily our friend...

How do you say "jihadi" in Hindu?

The Indians have suffered more than any other subject people from the Islamic jackboot. See links under BUDDHISM AND BUDDHISTS, HINDUS and SIKHS at The Islam Subject Index

Shabash! Leykin un ki zaban Hindi jayse hain. Mere paidaish Pakistan meyn thi aur is vasthey mey Urdu behther samajtha hoon.

And as for how to say a word in "Hindu", the languages spoken by Hindus cover a spas that includes Aryan languages - those derived from Sanskrit, the Dravidian languages - the ones spoken by the inhabitants of South India (who happen to be ethnically Negroid) and the people of Bali.

Jihadi comes from the Arabic root word "Jihad". The Arabic word "Jihad" is a valid word in Urdu, an Indian language which has been adopted by Pakistan (but is not a Pakistani language). The Arabic word for Jihadi is "Mujahid" which is also a valid word in Urdu. However the English connotation of "Jihadi" as "terrorist" does not carry over into Arabic or Urdu.

How do you say Oprah in Hindu?

Hello my fellow Jihadwatchers ,

First of all I support the view of NA that the translation of this clip is incorrect.
The real translation of the statement from the girl 'Mullohko , Pakistanioko , Isaiyoko' is given below:.
For our US readers the real translation is "Mullahs , Pakistanis , Christians" and not the one "Mullahs,Pakistanis, Jihadis" as shown in the sub title of the clip.

From my background I believe this girl is probably a member one of those extremist Hindu nationalist organizations who consider both the Muslims and Christians in India as aliens and thereby enemies.

Another point , I believe the Jihadists after wacthing this clip will be licking their lips. They will be ready to do anything to get their hands on a fascinating girl like this one.

Another point.

In that some speech , that girl also mentioned couple of statements

"Kaise Abdul Hamid ne Patton tank jala dala ,
kaise Hindustani gnato ne Amriki Jets jala dala".

Now for our Jihadwatch friends ,

Abdul Hamid was an Indian Muslim who fought bravely in the 1965 war against Pakistan and won the highest military honor of India , posthumously. He is believed to have destroyed a Patton tank (named after famous American general Patton) which was gifted to Pakistan by the Eisenhower administration.

The girl also glorifies how in that same war the Indian soviet-built Gnat fighter jets destroyed Pakistan's US-made Saber fighter jets with ease.

The point this girl is making is that Indian military victories over Pakistan was actually a victory of superior Soviet military technology over the inferior American military technologies.

Another point when that Girl talks about wiping out Pakistan from the map of the world , I believe it seems she is mimicking a leader in Iran , very well-known to Jihad watchers . That leader also talks a lot about wiping Israel off the map of the world.

Now , it is interesting to notice that some of our Jihad watchers as well as Mr. Spenser himself seems to be having two distinct views regarding that Leader from Iran and this girl from India. Now is not hypocritical ?

How can you support someone talking about wiping Pakistan off the map of the world and in the other hand condemn someone talking about wiping Israel off the map of the world ?

If this is not perversion of intellect then I do not know what it is ?

The translation is correct. The name for christian is pronounced as Kristin in Hindi. Issa is only used by muslims, it is not used by hindus.
Any way this speech is aimed at pakistan. Not at islam or christian. You must remember that in India any public speech can't be used to incite communilisim. ( religious hatred). But hatred against a foreign country like pakistan? a country that sends jihdists and terrorists (atunk-wadi) across the border, thats perfectly ok.
She expresses what many hindus feel about the country of Pakistan. A country which has been a part of India for a millinium, a country that contains many sacred hindu and sikh sites.

My friend if you read carefully the posts here and you are honest to understand their spirit (even if sometimes some of them have an angry tone) you will see that nobody wants the wiping out of earth's surface countries, to kill people etc... Quite the contrary the whole blog here is dedicated to arise against an ideology which promotes such a terrible approach.

The reason, I heartily believe, Robert has put this video here is solely for admiring the fearlesness required against Islamic terrorism. That's all. Terrorists must know that their stand could turn to a totally disastrous boomerang against themselves some day.

There is an old saying 'the maddened dog calls for its own life's end'... To which extent someone may endure such a tyranny as is a terrorism justifying itself as a holy duty. Such a thing is pure madness. Do you believe that humanity can live with such a thing forever?

First of all it's called Jihad Watch not "wipe out your least favourite country off the map.com". You don't expect a (especially Hindu)girl of her age to be talking genocide and using atomic bombs,hence my Oprah inference.

It is her inherent lack of fear and feistyness that catches your eye, and her courage that enamours,not the tools that she suggests to use to justify it.

Secondly I am taken aback by your redundant use of "my fellow JW'ers". I myself and I'm quite sure many more of us do not consider you to be as such particularly after your
last and final "point".

It would be a "perversion of intellect",quite honestly and imho, to allow you to post here again.

But Robert's a Gentleman AND a Scholar,so perhaps it's only strike one.

Dessidude>>> The name for christian is pronounced as Kristin in Hindi. Issa is only used by muslims, it is not used by hindus.

My Answer >>> Learn some Hindi man. In hindi Jesus is called "Issa Massih" which means "Jesus the Messiah" in English.
The word Jesus in Hindi is called "Issa" alike Arabic.


The Hindus call "Christians" Isaiyi(the people of Jesus) and not "Kristin".

I say that because I have grown up in India. I know Hindi very well to call a spade a spade.

I am afraid this guy Dessidude is intentionally spreading incorrect information.

Another point in the background of that girl there is a picture of Rama , a Hindu Warrior-God. The Hindu extremists invoke this god to justify their killing of innocent Christians as well as Muslims.

..and it's Spencer..With a C..sheesh.Some people..

Thank you very much Desidude, I believe you.

I guess NA + Debanjan are Muslims or apologists of Islam, trying to deceive us and drive a wedge between Hindus and Christians. But the main opponent of Islam is now the Democratic beliefsystem, to which both Hindus and Christians subscribe.

I did see Debanjan's point that it is shocking to hear her say that Pakistan should be bombed with the atom-bomb! Can't figure that one out!

I know nothing of this girl, but she should develop herself, hopefully into a champion of democracy, of women's rights. She is not allowed in India yet to vent her anger at the Islam-supremacists who really are behind the terror-attacks on India, but I hope she will go the way of Geert Wilders, not Ahmadinejad!

@St. Patrick

You know man there is a particular saying in English "what is good for goose is also good for gender".

If Mr. Robert Spencer can condemn some Iranian leader calling for nuking Israel , then why he cannot condemn this girl who is also talking about more or less the same thing about Pakistan ?

Is there one criteria for Israel and another for Pakistan ?

@Demsci

O man you are not getting the correct information regarding this girl.

You see this girl is a member of one of the Hindu organizations which are extremist ones.

You know these organizations are killing innocent Christians in the Indian state of Orissa.

For more watch out this following link

http://persecution.in/persecution_orissa_india

My fellow Jihad watchers,

The problem with you people is that you will believe anything bad regarding Islam.

People like desidude is duping you with false information.

I am a man from India. I know more about hindi than this dessidude.

Yes I know the saying, and it's GANDER. It doesn't apply here at all. Where has he at all ANYWHERE advocated genocide? Robert Spencer is a Christian.How many Christians and people would die if Pakistan got nuked? You're obviously not a regular JW'er and you are a nutcase for thinking that way. Have a good night,tomorrow's another day.

@St. Patrick

"It is her inherent lack of fear and feistyness that catches your eye, and her courage that enamours"

My answer >>> Yes we like fearless,strong girls who have an attitude and willing to speak up her mind.

That is why I said some of the Jihadis are licking their lips to have this girl at their hands.

St. Patrick said >>> It doesn't apply here at all. Where has he at all ANYWHERE advocated genocide? Robert Spencer is a Christian.How many Christians and people would die if Pakistan got nuked?

My Answer >>>>> So you seem to be saying that if only Muslim Pakistanis are killed in a nuke attack on Pakistan (as this Girl seems to be pointing at) that is OK for you and Mr. Spencer since not many Christians will be killed in that type of an attack.

Sorry I didn't answer your question. He doesn't condemn her because she's a kid with no power to follow through on the threat. Now Achmadingdonghead on the other hand..Make sense?

St. Patrick>>>>> He doesn't condemn her because she's a kid with no power to follow through on the threat. Now Achmadingdonghead on the other hand..Make sense?

My Answer >>>>>> See India has already become a nuclear power where there are Hindu extremists like this girl willing to use the nuclear power against Pakistan.

On the other hand as of today Iran does not have any nukes (according to Israeli intelligence).

So who is more dangerous here ?

I guess it is........ does it make sense to you ?

Nobody's advocating nuking anybody but this kid..and Achmadeadheadjob..Geesh!Which one of them are you going to waste your breath on..

St Patrick>>>>> Which one of them are you going to waste your breath on..

My Answer >>>>>>Yeah this girl seems to be having enough talent so that some of the Jihadis will really love to have their hands upon this girl, literally.

As I said before I like strong,minded , fearless girls with an attitude.

Agreed the Counter-Jihad should not be about wiping countries off the map. And yes, this girl is a the extreme of the extreme, although with a fiery spirit... that said, I think Robert Spencer posts items that he thinks people will find interesting, and that they might not have heard before - not necessarily ones he agrees with totally.

But how exactly will the Jihadis be able take their "love Jihad" to her, considering she's probably surrounded by Hindu extremists?

Desi "Dude", what else does she mean when she says "Isayoon ko" at 0:25?
For everyone else, ask some Indian person in your office etc. what an "Isayee" is in Hindi, you'll get your answer.

Hindu extremists are not very fond of Christians in India because most of the converts (~70%) are Dalit Christians (Dalits belong to the lowest of the 4 castes in India and they convert because their social standing is the lowest in Hinduism). Recent wave of attacks in the state of Orissa are well documented where nuns were raped, Churches and people were burnt alive and so on.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article4727215.ece

This girl represents the Hindu Nationalists.....a racist and genocidal fascist movement that has been busy persecuting and murdering Christians, particularly in Orissa. Her hysterical, rabble rousing speech is nothing to admire, indeed it is frightening. She is advocating genocide. It is clear that India is under attack from the forces of barbarism but this girl and her fellow ultraa-nationalists are not the people to turn to for inspiration. It would be like accepting Nick Griffin, Le Pen or Jurg Haider as leaders of the anti jihad movement in Europe. There is no significant moral difference between what this girl is proposing and the ideology of the Pakistani Islamofascists. The Hindu Nationalists are political, and they are hijacking the religion to serve their agenda. A pity, when you consider the noble fight of Arjuna against the forces of darkness and the extraordinary monologue from Khrishna in the Bhagavad Gita, spurring him on to defeat evil, one of the most inspiring moments in world literature and mythology. Unfortunately, this girl and her thuggish party are not Arjuna. It is also curious that she doesn't mention the Mumbai attacks and the other jihad atrocities in Gujaret and elsewhere and instead harps on about Kashmir and land ownership. Perhaps those tourists and Jews don't count.

I think she is over emotional and hysterical. A young girl play acting as a leader, but -

Even if you say that she used the word "christian" there is nothing exceptional in that particular statement - let us read it -

"tell the clerics, pakistanis and christians that we are not afraid of bombs and terrorism but we are afraid of giving away our lands through agreements like shimla and tashkent"

The shimla agreement was a travesty brokered by the two nations with the help of the US backed UN. We returned all the land and prisoners of the war for practically nothing

As for Orissa there is no "Hindu plot" against christians. That is just nonsense propagated by rich politicians and land holder who are actually out to evict local tribal (animists more than hindus) and grab their land. (Guess what, the powerful landholders here are the christians)

Yeah, right! What is the percentage of christians in India after so many years of British rule? 4%, 5%? That is really scary. Face it, the missionary work of conversion in India was a monumental failure. So now a concerted effort has been launched with the sole purpose of trying to grab land from poor tribals who have no way of defending themslves. (Similar perhaps to the native Americans losing their land or the natives in Australia losing their land). The tribals are on their last legs. They will lose ultimately, no doubt, but not before people brand them the villains as we can see here. Perhaps in future as in the case of native Americans and native Aussies the wrong done to them (by their own people not foreigners) will be acknowledged.

From post above...The problem with you people is that you will believe anything bad regarding Islam.

I think you blew your cover with that remark...

I can't speak for 'you people', but it suits me...There is nothing good about Islam at all...zero...I didn't invent that, Islam taught it to me...

She is Typical Confused Hybrid Communist Baby Non Sense out to create confussion in anti aslam ranks rather than RESOLVE anything ( IT DEFAMES HINDUS ).

sorry not anti aslam but anti islam.

After seeing the posts by muslims masquerading as Hindus here, I want to share a news link with JW readers. A radical Hindu organization & a Christian organization have joined hands for the first time to take on the issue of "Love Jihad" in India. They have put their petty differences aside & began to work together on the greater threat - Islamic terror & Jihad.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Love-Jihad-racket-VHP-Christian-groups-find-common-cause/articleshow/5117548.cms

This is how we should approach the threat of Islamic terrorism. People of various religions should put aside their differences & work towards eliminating the bigger threat to the world.

I agree that there are some tensions between Hindus/tribals & Christians in some remote areas & villages of India over forced conversions. There are also similar issues between Buddhists & Christians over the same issue of conversions in Sri Lanka. But these conflicts are not as significant or not as pervasive or threatening the whole world as Islam & Islamic terrorism. And people of all non-islamic religions have recognized that as we can see from the above example.

This particular video is only about one issue - Islamic terrorism & jihadism that is emanating from Pakistan. So, this girl talks only about one issue - how to make Pakistan pay for its crimes. I don't know how would she fit "Christians" into this discussion. Even when she utters that word at 0:25, she is talking about mullahs, bomb blasts, Indo-Pak war & Tashkent agreement - these have nothing to do with christians. She never utters this word again in her speech. And living in India all my life, I have only seen Hindus addressing Christians as "krista:n" & nothing else. Even if that word at 0:25 meant "christian", I believe that it is only a mistake on that kid's part, as her whole speech is about Jihadism & Pakistan. We should remember that she also talks highly about an Indian-muslim soldier, Abdul Hamid (0:46), who fought bravely against Pakistan. So, when her whole point is attacking Pakistan & not even Indian muslims, she couldn't have taken a pot shot against christians for no reason.

Having said that, I agree that this girl belongs to an extreme right wing Hindu organization. And while it is some what unnerving to see her talk this way, we should try to understand how at least some Indians are forced to think like her .........after the relentless onslaught of Islamic invaders & terrorists that killed more than 50 million Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs & Christians over hundreds of years. Also, it is silly to compare what this kid is saying to the rants of the President of Iran!

I agree. She is simply a hysterical sensationalist pandering to crowds.

Hi Slothy,

I wonder how can decent Christian people can think about joining the ranks of extremst Hindu Organizations in India ?

I also do not understand how a decent westerner like you support that.

Remember Muslims and Christians are the children of Abraham , we follow the same Jewish prophets , we essentially have the same blood in our vain.

I wonder what our dear prophet Abraham(PBUH) would have said if he had seen some of his own sons (Jews and Christians) joining a group of pagan polytheists (Hindus) to fight and kill another group of his sons (Muslims).

Tell me why our common Abrahamic heritage is not important for western people like you.

What ever you say about this girl, you can see from her emotional speech, she is upset at how her countrys leaders have become spineless, and wants an end to the murderous
actions by the paks islamists. l know with more age and maturity she will understand like us that we all need to unit to defeat islam. even with those Muslims who want to leave islam, they know first hand the evilness of the death cult called islam.

ikeevy1,

See why you people do not understand.

Muslims have been and will be part of the Western civilization for coming centuries.

It is foolish to deny the common Abrahamic legacy of Muslims and Judeo-Christians like Mr. Robert Spencer.

Robert , I want an answer from you now.

Why you do not consider Muslims as part of the western culture ? Why do you think they are aliens to the western culture ?

Her mention of christians in relation to shmila and tashkent agreement is unexceptional. Remember both were brokered by a UN that was backed by the West (christian probably in her mind). I have no problem with that statement at all. I have more problems with the rest of her hysterics. "Rah rah rah, we are all lions blah blah so let us be stupid"
But let people not take advantage of her usage of the word "christian" to pretend that there is some vast hindu conspiracy against christians ignoring the gross injustice perpetuated by the powerful in their shameless land grab in Orissa and other place. (This is not a case of religion but a case of greed). Christians and hindus get along pretty well in India. In fact the most powerful person currently in India is a christian - Sonia Gandhi.

Aha! Thought so. Either a muslim or muslim apologist. That is why he comes trying to foment trouble between Hindus and Christians with nonsense about imaginary hindu-christian fights. You know, rather than worry about pagan polytheists like me maybe you should talk to the Pakistani jihadists and get them to stop murdering christian minorities.
But perhaps the answer to that can be found in the following passage from the quran -
5.51 -
O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are [in fact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you - then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people.

@ Debanjan Banerjee/NA/buladyt2

You said,

"I wonder what our dear prophet Abraham(PBUH) would have said if he had seen some of his own sons (Jews and Christians) joining a group of pagan polytheists (Hindus) to fight and kill another group of his sons (Muslims).

Tell me why our common Abrahamic heritage is not important for western people like you."

So, you are another Pakistani muslim masquerading under a Hindu name!! Good use of Taqiyya :)

"Our common Abrahamic heritage" ? Are u kidding me? What happened to this Abrahamic heritage when u muslims killed 3000 innocent people, most of them christians on a single day? If you are so proud of Abrahamic heritage, why don't you live peacefully with Jews in Israel? If you are so proud of your Abrahamic heritage why do muslims like the Iranian president want to wipe out Israel from the map? Why does Gadaffi want to convert whole Europe to Islam? What happened to the Abrahamic heritage there? People like you who lie at the drop of a hat are even more dangerous than those Islamic extremists. At least those people have guts to accept that they are fighting for Islam.

Yeah, I am glad that the Christian organizations are not hesitating to even align with radical Hindu organizations. They are smart enough to realize who is the biggest threat to their faith & also the whole world.

janaki,

Absolutely right. The US has - thanks to the brilliant CIA - been backing Pakistan over India. You know, the multiethnic, secular, english speaking, democratic superpower? No wonder some of them are pissed.

It's what I've been saying for a long time: we need to stand shoulder to shoulder with our Hindu and Sikh brothers and sisters (and the tens of millions of Indian atheists). This is a time for all Infidels to stand together, and India has one billion of them, many of them who hate Islam with a ferocity unmatched.

aaannd - it becomes clear.

I'm in England and I get a boatload of criticism for being anti-Islam - but I don't get it from Hindus and Sikhs, no sireee.

"AIU" = All Infidels United!

Well the Islam being a religion of peace has a great record of murder, slavery, pedophilia, rape and destruction. After what civilized person would emulate Mohammad the prophet of Islam who molested Aiysha at six years of age and then had sex with when she was nine years old. That is sick and Mohammad and Mohammedanism is disgusting and sick.

Get a grip on man.. you falling apart like a sick birds feathers. Go and get a life, or re-boot yourself try again later. Man o man..

The answers to your questions, my friend, are very simple... It is astonishing, really, how you do not see them: Ofcourse, it is preferable to live together with a polytheist who does not threaten your very existence than with someone who says that is a strict monotheist and does threaten it.

Soemeone wonders if you ever had any idea about Islam's foundational texts. They are crystal clear as to how they see the non Islamic 'Abrahamic peoples' you mention. The only choices that those texts recognize to them are submission or... death.

Surely, any sane minded human being would prefer, without the slightest doubt, to coexist with a polytheist or atheist, then with someone who in the name of his "monotheism" wants to have him/her as a slave or, if he refuses to live as a slave, to kill him/her.

"From post above...The problem with you people is that you will believe anything bad regarding Islam.",

Yup. One cover, totally blown.

This girl appears to be an extremist. She definitely hate Islam - I love her for that. Whether she is anti-Christian or not we can deal with that later.

First and foremost - she appears to loath Islam.. and she doesn't have any fear. If you think that Jihadies can cut her throat- you are truely MISTAKEN, because your so called Jihadies are a bunch of cowards who fight against the innocent, unarmed bystanders. Thats what Jihad is about! Terrorize people who are unarmed, that way you can create more fear amongst civilians. Jihadies hide within civilians; Jihadies kill civilians, Jihadies when caught lie like a small child, "Sir it wasn't me, it was my gandma"- I've heard that first hand. Banner or whatever you call yourself, get this - F. ISLAM IS EVIL. WE AINT GONNA SLEEP TILL WE GONNA FINISH WITH YOU AND SCUMS LIKE YOU FOREVER.

Debanjan Banerjee's tactics are not unlike those of Jim Foster.

Debanjan Banerjee is a Bengali Hindu name, but this is what he says,


""I wonder what our dear prophet Abraham(PBUH) would have said if he had seen some of his own sons (Jews and Christians) joining a group of pagan polytheists (Hindus) to fight and kill another group of his sons (Muslims).

Tell me why our common Abrahamic heritage is not important for western people like you.""


So, yeah Debanjan/NA's cover is blown.

It is funny how these people always bring up the almost 2 year old fringe incidents in India & keep pasting the same links again & again.

'The girl also glorifies how in that same war the Indian soviet-built Gnat fighter jets destroyed Pakistan's US-made Saber fighter jets with ease."


hmmmm, is she talking about the Indo-Pakistan confict in 1965?......First of all Indias Gnat jets were made by the British not the Soviets....regarding the destruction of the US made Saber jets, there were about 15 destroyed and 12 of those were destroyed while parked on the ground...the Saber jets destroyed about 18 Indian jets of various constructions.....and there was no real winner in the conflict....

There is nothing good about Islam at all...zero...I didn't invent that, Islam taught it to me...

Mohammed and his imaginary sidekick Allah taught you that, Swami, and all the Moslems since did too.

*** 92:8 ***

Comparing Moslems to Christians is bad, just compare the two. Why are Moslems, and even cowards talking about Moslems (Prez Obama, Oprah, Bill O'Reilly, et al,) always anxious to endorse bad comparisons with Moslems, or even make such bad comparisons themselves? Why oh why?

What I hear from you people is nothin but hate and ignorance about Islam.


Ohhh , you people support that girl simply because she is saying something diabolical against Muslims.

You people call yourself Judeo-Christians but what you people do would shame your prophets.

@Slothy

Why u r discussing about my name ? See names do not matter it is the ideas that matter.

Many of the Muslims in the West do use their Christianized names also.

I do not know what is wrong with that.

Hate and ignorance of islam? Why don't you explain the verse I provided earlier from the quran -

5.51 -
O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are [in fact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you - then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people.

Can you feel the love and tolerance brimming in this verse?
We can all feel it.

@Janaki

O man Your name seems to be Indian. Are you an Indian Islamophobic man ?

See about that above mentioned verse I would like to say that that verse was about a certain context.

I would like to say that the verse in question was given when the prophet approached the Jews and Christians in the Medina area for preaching.

You know what the Jews said to him at that time. They said "we know this man is a prophet for sure. But we will not accept him since he is an inferior Arab".

The Jews and Christians have considered Muslims inferior form the times of prophet Mohammad.Now think this verse in this context.

I would like to request you to know the truth yourself and do not believe these Islamophobes.

Hey, I had nothing to do with this video except finding it on you tube.
Like I said before she didn't say anything here that would be considered communial. Indian muslims and christians are not targets of this. All the hindus I have known have always called christians as kristin or kristino log, (christian ppl). The only ones who will be pissed off would be Pakistanis and Pakistani lovers. That would include those Bangladeshis who really love and or identify with Pakistan.

Hey Desidude you said:

"All the hindus I have known have always called christians as kristin or kristino log"

My Answer >>>> Which Hindus are you talking about dude ? I myself have an Indian background behind me.

This girl is a hindi speaking girl probably from northen part of India. There HIndus and Muslims call the Christians as "Issayi" not "Kristin" as you say.

And dude what that girl is doing is nothing but pure form of hate-mongering.

I do not know why an estemmed scholar such as Dr. Spencer allowed this kind of a video clip in this website.

My name is certainly Indian. You chose an Indian name and try to push some hindu versus christian stories and you do not know that?
More than my being a islamophobe (which is an imaginary term since islam is an ideology and all ideologies are subject to criticism) you should worry that you have shown yourself to be an islamaofascist with your comments on polytheists and your attempt to push lies that are propagated from pro pakistani sites for no other reason than to foment trouble.
As for your spin regarding the verse 5.51 that does not make the hateful verse any better, you know. The context is that the jews and christians rejected mohammad. So he turned around and cursed them and told muslims not to be friends of christians and jews. Bigotry, plain and simple, against two specific groups of people. So your attempt to forge an abrahamic-union is rendered futile (from your own holy book not words of ours)

Janaki said :My name is certainly Indian. You chose an Indian name and try to push some hindu versus christian stories and you do not know that?

I say : Ohh man you cannot say that these hindu versus christian stories are false. To prove my point just go to rediffmail.com and search in archives the stroies from "Kandhamal". It is the place where Hindus have been killing Christians since last year.

The term "Islamaofascist" is a term coined by pro-Zionist western intellectuals. Islam has got nothing comparable to Fascism. I wonder whether a man like you even know what is "Fascism".

If you call me Islamaofascist then should I call you a Christofascist or Judeofascist or Hindofascist?

You said >>>>> The context is that the jews and christians rejected mohammad. So he turned around and cursed them and told muslims not to be friends of christians and jews.

I say >>>>>> What kind of man are you ? Have you ever felt the kind of pain a guy suffers when he ruely falls in love with a girl and that girl rejects him ? That is the pain the prophet felt when he was rejected by those Jews and Christians of Medina.Remember one thing,the rejection of prophet by Jews and Christians on racical ground is the most tragic aspect of Islam even today.
The world would have been completely different had those Jews and Christians have acknowledged the prophethood of Mohammad.

I am an Indian and a Christian. Yes, the girl does say "Isayi" and it means Christian. For one, the girl is just quoting that by rote. It seems to be some kind of verse that she is repeating. She is just an exhibit that the rabble rousing camp is using to win more simple-minded people into their ranks.
In any case, as an Indian Christian I find what she says less offensive than the constant vitriol that spews out of the Islamic world day in and day out. No one(and this includes you Debanjan) who subscribes to the intrinscially violent ideology of Islam has any right to point her out for what she says.

'Have you ever felt the kind of pain a guy suffers when he ruely falls in love with a girl and that girl rejects him ? That is the pain the prophet felt when he was rejected by those Jews and Christians of Medina.Remember one thing,the rejection of prophet by Jews and Christians on racical ground is the most tragic aspect of Islam even today.'


Many of us has felt the kind of pain you say... We are human beings, but... all the ones who preserve some sanity in their minds, between us, never thought to hate, to curse or to kill the girl who rejected us :-)))

And, belive me, my friend, one of the most essential reasons that a girl rejects someone is because she smells in the air that this man when rejected will hate her... and knows well that this is no love but something else :-)

But, well... let say that some words has been said in a special context... All those Islamic terms as 'jihad', 'gaza', 'dhimmi', 'jizya', 'feth', 'devshirme'(an Ottoman term) what about they speak?

My friend, I myself am one who forced to leave the place he born because of Muslim persecution. I have a first hand experience of what Islam means. Unfortunately, you do not know Islam well or... you are someone whose heart is blindend by hate (it does not seems so though)... The best thing you can do is learning Islam in depth. You will feel the need to escape, most probably. And, believe me, only when you will feel such a thing you will understand the terror on which Islam is founded. But, most honestly, hope that someday your mind be enlightened and see the truth. God will help you, in such a condition, no doubt.

And... no, Christians' and others' criticism of Islam is not because of racism... It is mainly because of its violence... But if you detach its violence what else remains to accept in it as a new religion... A simplistic monotheism? Why to choose it when there is Christiantiy or, even, Judaism?...

Debanjan Banerjee said
I say >>>>>> What kind of man are you ? Have you ever felt the kind of pain a guy suffers when he ruely falls in love with a girl and that girl rejects him ? That is the pain the prophet felt when he was rejected by those Jews and Christians of Medina.Remember one thing,the rejection of prophet by Jews and Christians on racical ground is the most tragic aspect of Islam even today.
The world would have been completely different had those Jews and Christians have acknowledged the prophethood of Mohammad.

Again, I have to say this displays the stereo-typical islamic mindset. Don't you see it Debanjan? The girl doesnt love him and thats why she rejects him, he should realise it and move on, end of story. He cannot subject her to bend to his overtures and submit. Love is not a one-way street.
It doesnt warrant the rejected seeker to then go around and defame the girl because she has rejected his so-called love. What would you say of such a man? I would say he is a despicable insect. Wouldn't you Debanjan? Wouldn't you call him a despicable insect?
And as for Jews and Christians acknowledging him to be a prophet. Well, the world would be a far better place if Islam would recognise the right for others to have their own prophets and Gods and not impose their belief on others. Please note that some despicable insects do masquerade as prophets and its naive to expect everyone to acknowledge the prophethood of said despicable insects.


"Ohh man you cannot say that these hindu versus christian stories are false. To prove my point just go to rediffmail.com and search in archives the stroies from "Kandhamal". It is the place where Hindus have been killing Christians since last year."

Hindus killing christians? If this is not falsehood, nothing is.

Here are some excerpts for you from articles on that site as well -

"The Kandhamal violence is essentially a localised one, as many such incidents in the country have been. It is the local factors that play a predominant role. Animosities were brewing no doubt. But again the reasons were immediate. There has been a feud between the Kondh tribals and largely Christian Pana Scheduled Caste people. "

Also this one -

"The trouble in Kandhamal started on December 23 when some Christians at Brahmanigoan village wanted to erect a Christmas gate in front of a Hindu place of worship. This was resented by the local Hindus who questioned the motive of the Christians in insisting on building a second gate near a Hindu place of worship while one gate was already erected at a place where it is done every year on the eve of Christmas. This led to the initial clashes. Since Christians were more in number in the said village the Hindus were at the receiving end.

As the news of clashes reached Swami Laxmanananda Saraswati, a selfless Hindu seer ? working for the socio-economic development of the local people for over four decades -- he set out for Brahmanigoan on December 24. His car was attacked by a violent Christian mob in which the seer himself and two of his followers sustained serious injuries.

Swamiji, 82 years old, has been relentlessly working for the uplift of the people in the district -- more than 75 per cent of whom are below the poverty line and illiterate -- since 1967. He has opened schools and hostels, hospitals and temples to serve mainly the tribals and the down-trodden."

So, it would seem that the non christian tribals were at the receiving end here......


"The term "Islamaofascist" is a term coined by pro-Zionist western intellectuals. Islam has got nothing comparable to Fascism. I wonder whether a man like you even know what is "Fascism".


If you call me Islamaofascist then should I call you a Christofascist or Judeofascist or Hindofascist?"

Unlike christians or hindus, islamists claim their ideology is superior and aim to establish a world order dominated by a certain set of beliefs. So yes, the term islamofascist is very apt for jihadists and their sympathizers

" That is the pain the prophet felt when he was rejected by those Jews and Christians of Medina.Remember one thing,the rejection of prophet by Jews and Christians on racical ground is the most tragic aspect of Islam even today.
The world would have been completely different had those Jews and Christians have acknowledged the prophethood of Mohammad."

So he felt pain and immedietly turned round and started cursing the jews and christians. That is what a "prophet" supposedly a person from God does? Why should the jews and christians have acknowledged his "prophethood" when they were not convinced of it? In fact your "context" convinces me too that he was no prophet but an ordinary man with anger management issues.

A good rallying call but if it came down to it; would be to little avail.

The hindus have always been the little people. As long as their history is, it is littered with the conquest of hindus. Whether it is the Buddist, Islam or Christianity; hindus have always been inferior, always been at the bottom. This is now in their physcie and they cannot help it. The Sikh had to move out of hinduism to become a force.

I have been told that the primary reason for this is the (hindu invented) caste system. Hindus in the past may have been good at having many children, but only about 10% were warrior class. Defeat them and you had the other 90% by their little balls.

When Prithviraj was in trouble, he asked all hindus to unite and repel the muslim invader, to save their future generations , their women and their "hinduism".

The hindu clothes washer said "I can only wash your army's clothes, I cannot fight".

The hindu dish washer said "Sir, I can only clean the army's food utensils", the hindu farmer said he can only till the land, the hindu sanitation people said they were only good enough to carry warrior class soldier shit; and so it carried on like that.

Once his warrior class of rajputs were defeated, Mohammed Gazni had all of India in his hand.

Now the same farmer tilled the land for Gazni, the cooks cooked for him, the women gave birth to his (and hios soldiers) children and the sanitation people carried his shit.

The hindu woman in particular I am told loved the larger and more manly muslim soldier, was easily persuaded to have his children and convert to this new all powerful religion; few who contracted Islam wanted to remain hindu.

Rely on the hindu and you will become part of the small people. I think the girl is "blowing on cold milk".

Debanjan Banerjee,

I'm not a "Judeo-Christian", I'm an atheist and a defender of the Hellenic-Latin achievement that had spread throughout the Middle East and India long before your pestilential religion rose to throttle it.

the rise of Islam must rank as the single greatest world-historical catastrophe. If it had never appeared, given that the Enlightenment was spread by the vector of Christianity. all of Eurasia an North Africa would be flourishing First World civilization.

It is that which can never be forgiven. I say it squarely: but for Islam, our world would be paradise.

Barcode,

Zip it. The Hindus had a magnificent civilization while my ancestors were hunkering naked in trees. You're out of line.

Islam-Bang, I've been wondering: is there much of an anti-Jihad scene in India?

You are right about the use of rote . The advent of Christianity & Europians , particularly British was one of the best things to have happened to the South Asia . If they had not come , then Muslim rule , call it whatever , would have continued & Hindus would have been the worst sufferers . They in all probability would have faced the same destiny that has happened to them in Afghanistan & Pakistan. They are practically non existent there . 99% in Pakistan are muslims now . At the time of creation of Pak. there more Hindus & Sikhs in Pak & Afghan even immedeately after 1948. Systemetically they have been done away with , call it genocide or whatever . It is very difficult to extract truth from Muslims . In 2010 USA Congress is contemplating recognition of "Armenian Genocide" by Turks done around 1910/15 . The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem (Muslim) connived with Hitler in arranging Austrian Gas Chanbers for Jewish people (Holocaust). In India , Christians & British in a way helped in protecting Hindus . Muslims were never happy with this & were always trying to create doubts in some Hindu minds by falsehoods & with help of pseudo Hindus. It was the influence of Western Christian Education that Hindus ,Dalits & Muslims were able to produce learned people who helped in making British see reason & agreeing to transfer of power to local Indians . They did not chose to stick on in India unlike the medeavial Muslims who came & destroyed local ethos & culture of whatever of Hindus & decided 'stuck on' & never to leave or go back to origins even if with Allah's Booty . Their greed was unquenchable like till today it is . There is no remorse , guilt or any sort of that thing because their Qoran prohibits & sanctifies the 'perfect man's'(mardey kamil/kabil) Behaviour which the Ummat is dutibound to follow . Is their any hope for this world as long as Qoran & Islam are there ? Muslims seriously need to REFORM. WHAT THE GIRL SAYS IS OF NO CONSEQUENCE BECAUSE SHE DOES'NT SEE BEYOND PAK & AFGHAN WHERE THE REAL PROBLEMS WITH ROOTS RESIDE .

Dendrite said :And... no, Christians' and others' criticism of Islam is not because of racism... It is mainly because of its violence...
My Answer >>>> Ohhhhooooo man o man. From where do you find this idea that Islam had a monopoly on violence ?

Both Judaism and Christianity also are deeply rooted in violence. Remember Purim ? The Jews butchered thousands of Persians (75000 were massacred on a single day) who had freed the Jews from the Babylonian captivity as well as helped the Jews to build the second temple in Jerusalem.


In more modern days this is what Meir Dagan , the chief of Mossad had to say to Jerusalem post:

"Anyone anywhere in the world thinking about opposing a Jew should understand that he or she is putting his life in danger."

I do not know how many Jihad watchers complained against this comment.


Talking about Christian violence you know how the whole west was converted into Christianity ? Kings like Charlemagne gave only one choice to people of Europe , Baptize or die.

And have you heard someone called Hypatia ? The Christians in Egypt brutally murdered her and still date they celebrate and venerate her murderers.

I think it is time for you to take a look at the truth and you will understand the truth.

Fanusi - It is actually quite a complex issue in the Indian context. The only perceivable anti-Jihad scene as you call it, is from the far-right Hindu fundamentalist groups. However, the truth is that these groups operate at the fringes of the community. The larger Hindu community is peace loving and you often hear calls of "Hindu-Muslim bhai bhai" (Hindus and Muslims are brothers). Also the large vote bank that the muslims represent compels the government at the centre to pander to their whims. There is also the liberal-elitisit-PC-MSM for whom, Islam is the victim. One can only hope that more and more Hindus will see through their schemes and understand Islam for what it is, a violent and war-mongering ideology whose ultimate end is world domination.

The "small people" as you put them are generally non violent and are no threat to the world unlike jihadists who are such "big people" that they would blow up innocent women and children in markets even. Talking about hindu women, most of them preferred to throw themselves in the fire to being captured by muslim soldiers. (Read about Rani Padmavathi).

Fanusi Khiyal: you said that the Enlightenment was spread by the vector of Christianity. all of Eurasia an North Africa would be flourishing First World civilization.

My reply:You are giving incorrect information.At the time of prophet Mohammad , the whole western world was at an age of darkness. In the east the two remaining civilizations the byzantines and the Persians were fighting each other to death and destruction.

The whole world was chaotic and dangerous.

Islam united much of the known world and through Muslims the classical greek and latin literature came at the hands of the westerners which led to enlightment.

You westerners cannot deny that Muslims like Aveross and Avicenna also contributed greatly to modern Western civilization.

@Janaki

"Talking about hindu women, most of them preferred to throw themselves in the fire to being captured by muslim soldiers. (Read about Rani Padmavathi)."

My Answer >>>>> So you are praising women who committed suicide en masse. I do not know what is praiseworthy in women who committ suicide at such young ages like your Rani Padmavathi.

You could also take a look at some great Muslim women like Khadija , Fathima , Asiya ( the woman who reared up prophet Moses) , Sara (the first wife of prophet Abraham)and Hajra (the second wife of prophet Abraham).

"I think it is time for you to take a look at the truth and you will understand the truth."

How about this truth, Moslem? The vile low life creature that started your death cult was an, illiterate, warmongering, lying, looting, murdering, child molester. Now, is that the kind of man that one should base a - religion of peace™? No, but, what a perfect role model for an evil death cult. Such as it is.

What rubbish. Every country where islam spread lost their original greatness and went into darkness. For example the great Persian civilization became the mullahcracy Iran, the great Indus/Buddhist civilizations have been replaced by those jihadist hell holes Pakistan and Afghanistan. See what has happened to the formerly peaceful nations of Africa.

Folks,

See Barcode's latest comments, and remember what he said about the "American bodies" falling with a "thud" on 9/11, and America getting a "whipping" that day. He had tried to camouflage those comments. If anyone had any doubts about his malevolence and his deeply hateful attitude toward non-Muslims, note that it is no more explicit than here in his taunting verbal attacks against Hindus.

Yes, suicide is preferable to falling into the hands of the enemy. (Although I was not exactly praising it but pointing out that hindu women preferred suicide to being captured in response to a stupid comment by barcode about hindu women loving muslim soldiers)
What greatness do you see in khadija, aisha or safiya? Ok, Khadija at least ran her own business and was a rich woman before islam. But Aisha? She was responsible for the death of tens of thousands of muslims. And all she did in her life was mouth stupidities about her life with the prophet (who married her when she was 6 and consummated the relationship at 9).
As for Safiya, this "great" lady was your prophet's booty and he consummated that relationship right after her had killed her father and husband. Aren't you ashamed of even bringing her up knowing your prophet's notoriety in that case?

How can one have any shame, or even understand the concept when your role model fof the perfect man is a, child rapist?

@Janaki

As for Safiya, this "great" lady was your prophet's booty and he consummated that relationship right after her had killed her father and husband. Aren't you ashamed of even bringing her up knowing your prophet's notoriety in that case?

My Answer >>>>> Many Jewish prophets prior to Mohammad , took part in wars which ivolved deaths. Remember King David ?

Anyway it is too much for me to expect some one like to know about King David.

"Anyone anywhere in the world thinking about opposing a Jew should understand that he or she is putting his life in danger."

Sounds good to me. Killing Jews is no longer a risk-free pastime.

Isn't it about time for the moslem to start quoting chapter and verse from Deuteronomy. You know, all those violent verses that have been abrogated and ignored for centuries. The one where no Christian, or Jewish groups, are calling for the implementation of those verses, or using those verses to justify their acts of violence. Unlike his co-religionists that are currently, and totally, motivated by the murdering child raping false prophet. Or as a moslem would say, the perfect man. Vomit.

I don't hate non-muslims really I don't. I an not a muslim myself, you may not believe me but I don't lie.

I am interested in statistics, facts which allow me to be free of emotion when stating them.

It is FACT that the caste system is the achilles heel of hinduism. Hindus have been taken to the "cleaners" time and time again because of it; but they are very proud of it because it gives them local significance.

My story about essentially the last hindu king Pritviraj is true; the hindu cannot save himself easily. He is happy to be ruled by someone as long as he can preserve the caste sytem; his priority is to be locally significant and have a one upmanship to others in his village.

I don't see this as racism or hatred of the hindu, but simple cold staticial fact.

You on the other hand are emotionally charged, but I cannot help that, that's your achilles heal.

Hey Debanjan Banerjee,

Can you exlain to me when you talked about Mo' and the verse 5.51:

O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are [in fact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you - then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people.

Isn't your koran - sayings of allah - one that is always true? So, how are you saying that verse 5.51 is only during mo's time at mecca and medina? Should it be for all ages?

Mr. Barcode,

Wasn't it when the 'little people' of India beat the asses of the 'big people' of pakistan during their 3 wars?

And, wasn't it the 'little people' in India who preserved bangladesh against the 'big people' of pakistan?

Makes me wonder!


Why do you bring King David here since I do not acknowledge him as a prophet? Two wrongs do not make a right. King David's action in getting Bathsheba's husband killed to hide his own adultery was as bad as your prophet's action with the women who were captured after battle.
Give up, man, give up following these false prophets. If you want a superior person to follow pick Buddha,Christ, Zoroaster. They will not lead you astray. Or else be like a Hindu and absorb teachings from various great men but ultimately find your own path/truth/salvation, be your own prophet.

Isn't is amazing how many moslems spend an inordinate amount of time trying to convince the kuffar how they are totally misunderstanding islamic texts. Yet, I see ZERO effort on their part to re-educate the military wing of their ummah. How many books have they published that have addressed the misguided mujahideen's ideology, showing them exactly where they're going wrong in their twisting the religion of peace. Shouldn't these be the most important and largest selling books in the moslem world. You know, understanding what is at stake, and all.....the high jacking of their, peaceful religion. Hard to type that without spit coffee all over my monitor.

Barcode, you haven't cited any actual statistics since you arrived here under that moniker.

You are suggesting I am "emotionally charged" in response to your gloating over the deaths of Americans on 9/11, and your obviously hateful comments (above) about Hindus. If it is "emotionally charged" for me to draw other readers' attention to your post, the emotional charge is appropriate, justified, and in proportion to the comments you made.

For example, Barcode grunted:

"The hindu woman in particular I am told loved the larger and more manly muslim soldier, was easily persuaded to have his children and convert to this new all powerful religion; few who contracted Islam wanted to remain hindu."

So it turns out that Barcode is another taqqiyya spouting weasel trying to drive a wedge into the Infidel ranks. Perfect.


islam-bang,

So, what you're saying is that you've got a version of the clusterfuck we've got in Europe - i.e. the mainstream is too weak to touch this issue, so it gets appropriated by some of the nutsos.

What I would like to do is build up an India-West crossblogging network on the subject of Jihad, like the America-Europe one that already exists. Do you know any anti-Jihad bloggers of any description who could help? Or any way to get started on something like that?

I'd start up a cross-networking blog of some description, if I knew where to start...

Debanjan Banerjee,

Can we conclude then that you, as a Muslim, are not troubled by Muhammad's rape of Safiya? Can we further conclude that you are not troubled that the Quran and Sunnah permit rape of non-Muslim female captives and slaves?

"more manly muslim soldier,"

Now there's a real laugh, eh? These manly moslem men fear women so much that they relegate them to nothing more than sex slaves, with no voice. Some of the even braver manly moslem men cut off their women's clitorises in the hopes that the women won't notice what utterly sexually inadequate males they are. I guess they spend so much time practicing on other moslem men that the woman's consideration is never acquired.

Fanusi,

You ask Islam-bang about an India-West blogging network. While you wait his reply, I thought I'd chime in and mention there are a couple of blogs that come to mind, which have contributors from South Asian countries (India, Indonesia, etc.) and Western countries, namely Islam-Watch, Faithfreedom, and Mukto-Mona. You may already be aware of these, but they would be good places to start.

I think what we need is a blog devoted primarily to Islam criticism, a blog which is explicitly not politically partisan (or less so than most) and otherwise not religiously partisan, and more international. I'd be interested in contributing as a commenter on such a site, but in the near future I personally wouldn't have time to contribute much more than that.

Hah hah and hah on that note. Most Hindus are brainwashed by their dhimmi government. European and Americans from Hindu origins who lead anti-discrimination groups run cover for Muslims. There a very few Hindus.

the translation is right

You Go girl!

Jai Hind.

Fanusi - I like the idea, it would be good to come together against this bane of our existence. There are none explicitly from India that I know of, although there are a few as Kinana pointed out where Indians are particulary active. Each different perspective, I believe, will be valuable in a global co-ordinated effort against Islamo-fascism, which despite Debanjan's squeals to the contrary is a clear and present danger.


'For example, Barcode grunted:

"The hindu woman in particular I am told loved the larger and more manly muslim soldier, was easily persuaded to have his children and convert to this new all powerful religion; few who contracted Islam wanted to remain hindu."

That's probably because once the Muslims arrived, the Hindus were given the choice "convert or die"...and the Muslims started adding bodies to the pile to emphasize their offer...

"I am interested in statistics, ..."
"It is FACT that the caste system is the achilles heel of hinduism. ..."
"My story about essentially the last hindu king Pritviraj is true; the hindu cannot save himself easily."

As to statistics, one thing is clear: your knowledge of Indian sociology and history is far below average.
In reality Hindus and Hinduism survived the onslaught of islam in large part thanks to the caste system. Prithviraj was not "essentially the last hindu king" and not the last one to fight the muslims. Century after century Hindus bravely resisted the Muslims and with growing success. Apparently, you never heard about Vijayanagara, or the Rajputs and the Marathas, to cite only the best known examples? Even in recent history the Hindu keeps on saving himself against all odds (the greatest of all odds still being islam).

@Debanjan

"Why u r discussing about my name ? See names do not matter it is the ideas that matter.

Many of the Muslims in the West do use their Christianized names also.

I do not know what is wrong with that."

Names do matter in this case because you tried to give us an impression before that you are a Hindu and so your posts are more relevant in this issue.

Also, I wonder why would you use a Hindu name when on one hand you were trying to belittle Hindus & talking about
"Abrahamic unity" against the "polytheistic Hindus", even though it sounds like a retarded idea.

So, we have another Pakistani muslim following "taqiyya" here.

Homer,

India was won from the hindu so easily BECAUSE of the caste system period. India after that was ruled so Easily because of the caste system period.

Once the warrior class was done over Islam was all over India like a rash. Yes you cite the challenges mounted by the shamed warrior caste after, but it was all too little too late.

Ofcourse you seem to be proud of the "too little too late" brigade; you crack on son. Tell everybody about their exploits, they may ask you "Why is Islam still in India then Homer?".

And if you have the guts, you can tell them it was beacuse of the caste system and point them to the "Barcode" posts; they may learn something.

I agree with you that Hinduism survives because of the caste system; into these little boxes go these worms ; and into those little boxes go the other ones.

One can only smile at the little beggers.

Barcode talks as if Prithviraj is the only Hindu king to resist the Islamic invasion of India. Prithviraj fought two battles with Mohammad Ghori. He defeated Ghori in the 1st battle of Tarain in 1192, although Ghori defeated Prithviraj in the 2nd battle of Tarain, after Ghori delivered an ultimatum to Prithviraj that he convert to Islam.

Also, his rant that Prithviraj was defeated because of caste system & disunity among Hindus is a total lie. These blatant lies are only seen in Pakistani education system, who glorify the acts of Islamic invaders with false stories against their own ancestors. In fact, Prithviraj received help from about 150 small Rajput Hindu kings & every able bodied Hindu during these wars. He was only defeated because Hindus in those days followed certain rules of war like stopping fighting before sunset, which the immoral Islamic adherents never followed. Ghori actually attacked & killed Prithviraj during the dusk.

There is another version of this incident, which says that Prithviraj actually killed Ghori after he was captured. But the historical accuracy of this version is debatable.

Anyway, as Homer said, why only talk about Prithviraj? There were many Hindu kings who gave stiff resistance to Islamic invaders after Prithviraj.

"One can only smile at the little beggers."

No wonder these little beggers are responsible for the most humiliating incident in Pakistani History - surrendering to them with more than 95,000 Pakistani soldiers in 1971.

Sorry for OT here, but just a note:

"Barcode" is a fraud. He says he doesn't lie. But his first statement here, that he came "to learn," was exposed as a lie the same day. Despite that, he hasn't shut his muslim-loving pie hole since. He's all over these threads like a cheap suit.

Hey, Barcode, how about those "manly muslim soldiers" in Iraq's republican guard? You know, the ones who got their asses kicked TWICE! By the USA! A bunch of 2nd-rate pussies! "Son of a goat...these Americans are real soldiers...run, Abdul, run!" Are those your manly men, Barcode? HAHAHAHA!

And what if you were right about the Hindus?
How would that change anything about the septic tank that is islam?

You, sir, are a liar, a muslim-apologist, and an imbecile. (not necessarily in that order)

I agree that there has been atrocities in the name of Christianity. I know the Hypatia case very well also. But there is a crucial difference regarding the issue of violence between Christianity and Islam... The violence that has been acted in the name of Christianity has not the slightest justification in the whole New Testament texts, it is just a going astray from the original teaching. The violence that has been acted in the name of Islam is justified from the essence of the teachings of it.

And... something tiring even to discuss after some point: The mindset of the Old Testament has been transcended totally with the New one... otherwise it would not be a need for a 'New' Testament.

Anyway, it is impossible to make someone see the obvious in the case he/she does not want to see it. What can someone say in such a condition... Go on the way you desire but... its outcame will be bitter for you, most probably.

Believe me or not, when some people are critical against Islam they are doing it, maybe, caring for the innocent people who found themselves as Muslims, living in an Islamic environment too. Because this thirst Islam has for dominating the world will not be so benign firstly at mainly for itself, as it seems.

The mohammedan "Banerjee" under false flag demands to know:

"Muslims have been and will be part of the Western civilization for coming centuries.

It is foolish to deny the common Abrahamic legacy of Muslims and Judeo-Christians like Mr. Robert Spencer.

Robert , I want an answer from you now.

Why you do not consider Muslims as part of the western culture ? Why do you think they are aliens to the western culture ?"

Mohammedanism is a malignant, parasitic cult, not a culture. Mohammedans have never been part of any culture, but are conditioned to hate all others including other muslim sects. Mohammedanism destroyed many cultures and civilizations and enslaved conquered peoples.

Mohammedanism doesn't have a "common Abrahamic legacy"- Mohammed the false prophet and usurper claimed that his coming replaced everything that came before him. Like all other falsehoods he propagated he related himself to Moses, Abraham & Jesus.

But the Israelites, the "people of the book", were Jews, not pagan desert Arabs.

Be gone, Banerjee. Be gone!

Thanks George, I needed some comic relief after all the heated debates and ideas being flung about.

I agree...Barcode is not to be trusted.

Muslims commonly use multiple names. Mostly to confuse other people , I suspect, or maybe to slide by unnoticed after becoming a beep on somebody's radar..Muslims also use a lot of secret codes and hidden messages. Muslims must have a lot to hide.

Wow - quite a comment field!

I enjoy her intensity - I think many Indians have had it up to the eyeballs with terrorist attacks.

I also do not take it lightly that she invokes nuking Pakistan. That type of fervor could lead to WWIII.

However - I really appreciate her comments about being like a lion - being fearless. That is indeed necessary - and if very sorely pressed - then war ensues.

And I am really impressed that she is so impassioned and clear about it -(without teleprompters). As I watched it - it thought she might have been a soldier who died young...and is reborn and is still fighting for the cause to save India.

It was such as shame when Kashmir was lost.

About the Christians and Hindus working together against "love jihad"? Why not? The have a common goal as humans, parents, and as leaders of their communities to save their daughters from insincere bastards who are slyly courting them to then force them to convert. Many Indian girls right now are open to the modern idea of a "love match." Their society is not set up to guide them in this - so they are very vulnerable. They probably keep it a secret until the last moment.

Mohammedans are the greatest deceivers and thugs like their child rapist prophet Mohammad. Deception, confusion, lies and misinformation is their dictate from the Koran. They use this information to create divides between non Muslims that based on inflammatory and biased inorder to deflect the attention of of Islam and make it seem that the bad people are the non Muslims, be it Hindus, Buddhists, Christians etc. Looking at the look at the world from the West to the East, see where the troubled spots are, and you will find Mohammedans at the core of it. In the West we see Mohammedans are committing crimes against Jews and Christians and other non Muslims. They are killing Christians in Egypt, Iraq, Pakistan and Iran. They killed Jews in Mumbai and many Hindus. They have wiped out many Hindus in Pakistan and Bangladesh as well as Buddhists. They are persecuting Hindus and ethnic Malay in Malaysia. They have wiped out the Hindus in Indonesia except for Bali where they bombed the hotels and killed western tourists. They are killing Buddhists in Thailand, they are killing Christians in the Philippines. At the global level and the local level no other groups weather it be Buddhist, Hindus, Jews, atheists, Jain, Sikhs etc, are killing one other at the rate the Mohammedans are killing non Muslims and themselves. The followers of the child rapist and lowlife thief, the prophet Mohammad are the perverted murders and genocidal against all humanity. They imbibe hate against women and non Muslims.

I can say one thing that from what I know about Mohammedanism and Mohammedans, they will be the ones who will unleash the nukes. I think they want their hands on it. Look the only way the perverted Mohammedans can go get those pearly boys and young prepubescent 72 child girls up in their disgusting "heaven" is to kill non Muslims and getting killed in doing so; that is the way of the blood thirsty allah and Mohammedans. They love to kill, Mohammedans love violence and destruction. If they do not they suffer the Islamic hell fire which is scary for Mohammedans. Anyway the Taliban Jihadis want those nukes that Pakistan has and want to launch them. I bet Hamas wants nukes so they can detonate them against Israel. See they kill millions of infidels and they in turn die and get those 72 child girls to rape and young boys to have sex with in their perverted "heaven". They will be chanting allah u akbar. That is the Mohammedan mind set like their pedophile prophet Mohammad who got aroused by rubbing his thigh against aishya his 6 year old girl sex slave.


Thanks, Bronish,

Are we havin' fun yet?

LOL!

G

"Another point when that Girl talks about wiping out Pakistan from the map of the world , I believe it seems she is mimicking a leader in Iran , very well-known to Jihad watchers . That leader also talks a lot about wiping Israel off the map of the world."

That's like comparing a person who wants to rid a neighborhood of murderous gang-raping gangsters, with a person who wants to murder innocent people. No comparison. In a sane world, the Free World would unite to force Pakistan to shape up with a timetable for compliance set in stone, after which carpet bombing would commence.

Oh my al-ilah! Get it right at least! You say that Jews and Christians share an "Abrahamic" common ground with islame and then you claim those Jewish prophets were nothing but musselmen. And after that statement, you turn around and call them false prophets.

Sheesh. Well, what else can one expect of islame. Nothing but double-speak in the long run...

For your information DebanBan Bonehead, there is no common Abrahamic ground between islame and the Judeo-Christian faiths. Jews and Christians MUST never accept what are flat out patent lies and distortion by a pedophile epileptic pirate false-prophet who couldn't even read or write. Abraham was NOT muslim, he was Jewish through and through. So was every prophet in the Torah. Female muslimas were NOT wives of those Jewish prophets. NEVER EVER EVER... And NO claim by your false-prophet will EVER make it so. Got it?

islame has made it pretty clear which "common ground" is destined for the dhimmies. The ground 6 feet under. And we all here at JW will never be alright with that!!

"..and it's Spencer..With a C..sheesh.Some people.."

Not to be confused with the author of The Faerie Queene, Edmund Spenser (1552-1599).

Marylouise

re. the 'love jihad' - Muslims deliberately setting out to seduce Hindu (and other non-Muslim) girls in India, and in the West (and they also set out to seduce Jewish girls in ISRAEL - sometimes pretending to be *Jews* in order to do so - I think some people in Israel have even had to create a whole organisation dedicated specially to rescuing Jewish girls who have been seduced by Muslims and then...virtually imprisoned, and treated like slaves).

The Muslims do this because they're not quite powerful enough yet, in India or the West, to do what they do all the time in Egypt, Iraq, Pakistan and Bangladesh, for example - that is, simply TAKE the girls (often very young, underage girls), rape them, drug them, torture them, brainwash them and then marry them to the rapist and declare them to be 'converts' to Islam.

Canon Dr Patrick Sookhdeo in Britain, and his wife Rosemary (Canon Sookhdeo is an apostate from Islam to Christianity, who's been warning the British about the Jihad and Sharia Creep for at least ten or twenty years), have been going round the Christian churches in the English-speaking world warning Christian parents to watch out...that the Muslims are deliberately targeting their daughters (because there is 'honor' in seducing, say, the daughter of a pastor).

Mrs Sookhdeo has written a book called 'Stepping Into the Shadows', about western women who convert to Islam, which includes the real-life story of many naive Christian girls who married charming and plausible Muslim 'princes' and then discovered their husbands had turned into ugly toads overnight. Perhaps Mrs Sookhdeo's book should be circulated among *Indian* christians as well, both in English and in a Hindi translation. It would help Indians understand that this problem is not confined only to India...it's a worldwide campaign of woman-stealing by Muslims.

Another two books that might be useful to circulate in India - and which, I think, would be a powerful warning for parents of ALL non-Muslim faiths, and secular parents too - are by an American lady called 'Cassandra' (a nom de plume); she married a Muslim, found out it was hell, and fortunately for her, managed to get away. She called her two books, which are written in a very plain, popular style, 'Escape! From an Arab Marriage' and '33 Secrets Arab Men Don't Tell American Women' (of course, those titles could just as easily, and more properly, read 'Escape! from a Muslim Marriage' and '33 Secrets Muslim Men Don't Tell Infidel Women'). Someone might have fun doing a colloquial Hindi translation of Cassandra's books.

Christian and Hindu parents could consider obtaining lots of these books and putting them in the high school libraries, or having them on the bookshelf at the church or temple and make sure the priest gives them to people who have daughters above the age of nine. Girls' groups could read them.

I should add that the Catholic church in Italy recently put out some kind of book - sorry, I can't give specific details - warning Catholic Italian girls against marrying Muslims; and Fr Daniel Sysoyev, whom the Muslims recently killed in Moscow because he'd been preaching to Muslims, had also been warning Russian non-Muslim girls against marrying Muslims.

Something that the Indian members of the Resistance, here, might find telling: in the UK in the early 1990s "in a British study of family violence...the researchers found that women married to men of Muslim background were EIGHT TIMES MORE LIKELY to be killed by their spouses, than any other women in Britain". (I found that in Geraldine Brooks' book about women and Islam, 'Nine Parts of Desire', in the final chapter, 'beware of the dogma'.

Girls - Christian, Hindu, atheist, Sikh, Buddhist, you-name-it - DO NOT MARRY A MUSLIM. A Muslim husband is far more likely to be violent toward you, and even to murder you, than a man from any other faith background.

Looks like a good time to repeat what scholarly Indophile David McCutchion (1930-1972) had to say about Pakistan, in a statement unearthed by Hugh Fitzgerald and first shared here by him a few years ago:

"Fanaticism plus Machiavellianism plus brutality equals Islamic Pakistan.”

Kinana,

You're quite right. The more internationalism and solidarity we are able to have, the stronger we'll be, and also the less chance of any damaging sectarianism. India is a frontline of the Jihad, as are large parts of Africa (I have a Sudanese comrade whose family escape the fight). Incidentally, it'll also make it much more difficult to smear the anti-Jihad as a movement of reactionary bigotry.

Thanks for the blogs, btw, I knew of Faith Freedom, didn't know these others.

On another note, given some of the hyperventilating about the anti-Christian messages here, look, it was the Christian British Empire that preferred Muslims in its adminstrative apparatus, partitioned the subcontinent, and then it was the Christian US that's been a repeated backer of the Pakistani generals. No wonder some Hindus are pissed.

That's another reason why we need more internationalism on this subject. If we can start linking up with an anti-Jihadist movement in India, we'll have much less chance of seeing it hijacked by nutcases.

I'm not entirely unsympathetic to James Randall p.o.v. that Hindu sectarianism can be pretty nasty. Yet let me also point out that this is a perfect response to the "root cause" nellies and islamosuckups. Yeah, yeah, well here's a people with root causes coming out of their ears. You chaps sure you want to keep pushing this argument?


Dear Dr Robert,

I must tell you that Banerjee is essentially correct about this girl. She may have been roused to eloquence by the example of the Rani of Jhansi whose life is the subject of a currently popular TV serial in India. She is quite harmless but the Hindu fanatics behind her are not. These Hindu extremists are of no use against the jihadis, as no doubt you could have surmised by their total absence during the siege of Bombay or wherever there is a real firefight against the Islamists. They would rather vent their frustrations on Catholic nuns or Christian girls' schools or poor shopkeepers. It would do your site's reputation no good to be associated with these fools. I say this as an admirer of your work over the years.

Name like a James Randel and another troll called "ivan" appear to understand what this girl is saying or which party she belongs to etc. Well if it takes extremists Hindus to come along with us to rid this Jihadi dick-heads then I am all for it.

It is also good to read the Pakistani crowed (JR/BANNER/ivan/another fool) appears to be scared sh..less about her speech. She got be got to join hands and kick ass.

The speaker in the video is rather rabid at times, certainly by Western norms. But the gist of the message was what was conveyed by chanting crowds on the streets of Dacca (now spelled Dhaka), Bangladesh in the latter part of December 1971:

"Jinnah Miar Pakistan - Azimpurer Gorostan":

"Mr. Jinnah's Pakistan - Azimpus's (a region of Dacca city) graveyard".

Slothy - Prithviraj received help from about 150 small Rajput Hindu kings.

Perfect, that's the truth, let's analyse how the caste system worked in this context.

10% of each of these kingdoms would be warrior class. Lets say that each Rajah kept back 5% of his warrios to defend his own kingdom (a not unreasonable assumption)incase rogue elements of Islam soldiers got to his kingdom; he wouldn't leave it defenceless would he.

Thus he sent 5% of his best fighting force to support to Prithivraj and got the same tacit support from the other 149 kingdoms too. Let's average out conservatively each kingdom was say 50,000 able bodied male folk which makes 2,500 males at 5%. 2500* 150 = 375,000 soldiers that were loaned (and then slaughtered)to Prithiviraj.

Although this is a lot of soldiers, compare this to the total number of (able bodied) males who could have (and should have if they wanted to save India from Islam at the onset) been available to Pritviraj.

This is 50,000* 150 = 7,500000 (7.5 million)

Only 375,000 sent when 7.5 million were available; And there you have it my friend, that is the achillies heel of hinduism; So many able bodied men but 90% of whom are constricted, held by the chains of the caste system and thus unavailable at greatest hour of need to India and hinduism.

The educated hindus who invented the caste system to keep themselves at the top of their society never thought it could crumble; but it fell away like so much dust because it did not take account of superior forces like Islam.

Sala Vee brother Sala vee.

@ Barcode

I did not realize that you are so dumb till now! Let me analyze the stupidity that is taught in your Pakistani textbooks.

Which mullah told you that only people of a single caste were allowed to fight wars? The original caste system was not meant to be hereditary, but was only to be based on the duties that a person performed in his life time. For example, the person who authored one of the most important Hindu scriptures (Valmiki) belonged to the lowest caste & was still able to do some thing, which people like you expect would only the priest/educated caste ppl to do.

The 4 Varnas (or roughly castes) that made traditional Indian society are - the brahmins (clergy and teachers wielding religious authority);
the kshatriyas(warriors and administrators),
the shudras(servants or unfree peasants);
the vaishyas (merchants and farmers).

The work description mentioned in the brackets is not meant to be hereditary & so we see kings/dynasties deriving their origin from all these 4 castes.

For example, some of the kings who actually belonged to the Brahmin caste include:

1.The Pallava Dynasty

2.King Lalitaditya Muktapida of Kashmir (ruled all of India and even Central Asia)

3.King Jayavarma I

4.King Rudravarma

Some kings who belonged to or have their origin in the Trader caste include:

1. The Sun Dynasty

2. The Patidar Dynasty

Some kings who belonged to the lowest caste (shudras) include:

1. The Nandas

2. King Singaya-Nayaka

3. The Reddy Dynasty (Reddy Nayaks)

4. King Kapaya-Nayaka, etc

Ironically, King Kapaya Nayaka was known for his bravery in resisting the spread of Islamic invasion in South Central India. So, there goes your stupid argument that only warrior caste people fought wars.

The people of Shudra caste were the most numerous in Indian society. (make up 70-80% of population). These people took up different roles in the society, that would often include fighting the wars for their king. So, even if the king belongs to a warrior caste, it is not uncommon for his army to have various officers belonging to the Shudra or other castes. In fact, majority of the army was made up of people belonging to non warrior castes, and the role of the warrior caste was only to traditionally lead the army.


So, my dear friend don't embarrass yourself by your ignorance & stupidity here!

Interesting. I've been wondering why so many of Infidel women who you see Muslim types dating wear crosses - one would think they'd be the last ones to date Jihadis?

Also, since Poland joined the EU in 2004, a large number has migrated to Britain. I've heard from a few unrelated Polish friends in London that of Polish girls they know, about 90% of them are going out with Muslims. Also strange, would you not agree, given that Poland is arguably the most-Catholic country in Europe?

But then - given that these Muslims see it as their duty to "practice Jihad" and spread Islam - surely these methods make perfect sense? Make more new Muslims - and remove a few potential Infidels at the same time. No need to die fighting Infidels, and you can even treat yourself to a few beers while pretending to integrate.

Yep - all makes sense now. Thanks for the post - and I'll be looking to get hold of Mrs Sookhdeo's book.

Btw, do you happen to remember the name of the Israeli organisation rescuing Jewish girls?

And we have criticized Hinduism enough here. Even if this religion has so many issues, it cannot be as dangerous as Islam to the world. We should remember that this is a Jihad watch site, so all those Pakistanis who want to abuse Hinduism can head to the various India & Hinduism hate sites.

Also, the link that I have posted above shows how the Christian organizations are not hesitating to join hands with the extreme right wing Hindu organizations in India to fight against the bigger threat - Islam! That should say something! There is a hope that Hindus & Christians can work out their differences in the future, but there is no hope with regards to Muslims, who only want to convert everyone in the world to Islam or force their way of life on infidels. Also, more importantly, Hindus who have settled in the western countries do not seem to be a threat to the native people there unlike muslims, who are always whining & trying to impose their way of life on them.

Agreed - The extreme Hindus had a few days to gather and get to the Bombay hotels if they wanted to - but where were they? It was a complete disaster for India, and I think one of the Jihadis was able to kill around 20 armed Indians (although admittedly the policeman at the railway station did a great job holding them back for a while).

As for certain "kick-ass" posters here, willing to abuse everyone, nuke everything and go along with Hitler against the Jihadis - could they just be CAIR plants sent to create dissent, in the spirit of a certain blog which Jihadwatch was "powered by" until around 2 years ago? For that reason, I think it's good to ignore them.

Most of the people here seem to admit that, although with a fiery spirit, this girl is out of her mind - and Robert likely posted it as an interesting item (which, with 130 posts and counting, it no doubt turned-out to be)...

Some people here warn against going to alliances with fanatics, from wherever they come. They are very right in their warnings. We do criticize Islam just because we are against fanaticism. If we, ourselves, be fanatics... then it is of no value. The thing we most need as humankind is sanity. And the reason we are in trouble with Islam is its in-sane Worldview. But, that's not to say that we should not be against every kind of in-sanity, in the name of confronting Islam.

The thing that may be admired in this little girl is the decisiveness which expresses against a tyranny only... As to her fanatic idelogical background is not something to be adopted, no need to say. And... as to all those 'nukings'... Let not forget that Muslims too are human beings just as we are here. We are against an ideology not against human beings. Our ultimate goal is not hurting but saving. If our goal too is to revenge and hurt then... what is it that differentiates us from them...

We have to be adamantly strong in our decisions but... for the sake of sanity's victory, not something else.

Yeah, this girl belongs to an ultra right wing Hindu organization. These right wing organizations have became more prevalent after the sudden increase in terrorist attacks in India originating from Pakistan.(this coincided roughly with the end of Soviet-Afghan war, when the mujahideen became available to wage Jihad against India).

Some people have started following these radical organizations, after being fed up by the apparent inaction of Indian govt. in response to the various terror attacks originating from Pakistan. It is some what unnerving for many of us to see her talk about nuclear bombs in that manner. But there is a reason for her to even raise that issue.

India has a "no-first-use" policy on nuclear weapons; that means it can use a nuclear strike only if an aggressor first attacks it using nuclear weapons. On the other hand Pakistan does not have any such policy.Many people in India, and especially those belonging to radical organizations like these, are of the view that this doctrine should be scrapped as that gives an unfair advantage to Pakistan & can lead to massive damage to India, in case Pakistan first uses a nuclear weapon against it. May be that is why this girl is talking against India's policy of not using these weapons, until it already suffered a nuclear attack.


And I agree with Dendrite, we should only appreciate the fact that even a little girl like her has realized the danger of tyrannical & terrorism sponsoring country like Pakistan. We need not appreciate the fanaticism behind her speech. We all know that Indian govt. or any sane person is not stupid enough to actually consider using the nuclear weapons against Pakistan without any provocation, by taking the advice of a radical, fringe group.

The Raven apparently doesn't realise that I have posted here for longer than it has. I repeat, the so-called saffron brigades are stupid jokes fit only for harassing women and businessmen. Some of the Sainiks moonlight as enforcers for Muslim gangsters. The VHP in their turn tries to shut down entire states whenever the the Pakistanis manage to successfully attack Hindu temples in Kashmir. One has to ask whose interests are served when the VHP behave in such a Pavlovian fashion? These fellows then follow it up by accusing the police of incompetence when things go wrong. A few weeks ago, Shahrukh Khan the well known idiot released another one of his forgettable movies. This became a flashpoint between the Shiv Sena and some Muslims. The police had to be out in force, it being clear that if things got out of hand, city life would be disrupted or worse, The jihadis then took advantage of the sparse police presence elsewhere to explode a few bombs.

"India was won from the hindu so easily BECAUSE of the caste system period. India after that was ruled so Easily because of the caste system period."
...
"Ofcourse you seem to be proud of the "too little too late" brigade; you crack on son. Tell everybody about their exploits, they may ask you "Why is Islam still in India then Homer?"."

Mr Barcode
Why should I be proud of anything historical? Nor am I a defender of the caste system, as you seem to think. You, by contrast, seem to be very proud of your wonderful petty theory, all the while detesting its object. Not really what I would call an objective disposition.
So, if it really has been that simple for Islam in India, I ask you: "Why is islam still in Iran, then, Mr Barcode?". As a lover of statistics, it is easy for you to compare Iran and India. Same bloody Muhammedan onslaught and occupation, but Iran, without the caste system and with a population you would in your twisted mind probably consider far more valiant than the Hindus, is at least 98% Muslim now, whereas India, with the caste system, has only 16% Muslims at the most. Same goes for a number of other countries. Got it?

And while it is some what unnerving to see her talk this way, we should try to understand how at least some Indians are forced to think like her .........after the relentless onslaught of Islamic invaders & terrorists that killed more than 50 million Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs & Christians over hundreds of years. -- slothy

Well if it takes extremists Hindus to come along with us to rid this Jihadi dick-heads then I am all for it. -- BlueRaven

Observations well worth repeating.

The context of India and the mind-blowingly grotesque and massive brutality its people have suffered under the relentless onslaught and occupation by Muslims over centuries, continuing into the present in the form of a combination of terrorism and state-sponsored jihad from a "Stan" (Pakistan) -- this context explains and justifies the most bellicose rhetoric one could imagine. The Serbian leader Milosevich in his legal self-defense against the Hague for the putative crime of ethnic cleansing showed them photographs of the grisly and frequent beheadings the Balkan Muslims perpetrated (and probably still are perpetrating) and said, in effect, "When beheadings come to your town, you will understand why we did what we had to do."

Randel - I think you are a Paki. Well let me tell you something son, no matter how many anti-Hindu/Christian movies you paste, they aint going make any dent to my way of thinking, because I have read a little too much about that dick-head MoHamhead. He was one of the most despicable person who set a foot on this planet. He has over a billion followers - for example morons like pseudo-name Randel. That is a hell of lotto dement folks we need to take care of. For that very reason, I would welcome extremists Hindus to my club, to kick buts real hard.

RS been posting for over five six years about vile MoSlums, somthing like five-six articles per day- the day you can post that kind of volume about anti-Hindu/Christians article, I will start to think very differently.

For your information, I read more about the world News, especially about terrorist attacks per day, it would make your head spin. I am sure you are clueless about your own 'profit' otherwise you would figure in a heart beat that he is a hell of lair/pedophile/murderer/rapists/thief/.. any other glowing attribute that you care to think of.

Everyone on JW agrees with this kind of description about Mo. You don't think about him the same way. There gotto be something the matter with you, don't you think?

"RS been posting for over five six years about vile MoSlums, somthing like five-six articles per day- the day you can post that kind of volume about anti-Hindu/Christians article, I will start to think very differently."


Very True!

Another important difference between Hindu & Islamic extremism is that we have not seen Hindus or Hindu extremists who have migrated to Western countries trying to take down that country or trying to spread Hinduism there. We generally don't see Anjum Chowdarys or Nidal Hasans in the Hindu populations settled outside India. Unlike muslims, most of the time they try to integrate with the local population. They have no wish for world domination like many Islamic extremists.

I have no substantive comment to make about the subject of this video clip, but I do have some questions of a factual nature for any of the Indian posters here:

(1) What specific dialect is the girl speaking, and from what part of the subcontinent does it come?

(2) From her facial characteristics is there anything that can be said about which of the various racial subgroupings in India she is probably genetically associated with? Is this consistent with 1. above? What caste would this have been associated with historically?

(3) Which specific form of Hinduism can you say she ascribes to? What is the significance of the stripes on her forehead?

I'm not interested in any dialectical pyrotechnics, just the facts as you know or understand them. It would be helpful if you would include a candid statement about the type of education you received wherein you learned this information. Thanks.

Woah, I think there should be caution is reflexivly equating disagreement with being an apologist. What Jim Randal says should be considered, and if true I think we (JW) should have nothing to do with her for the reason JR says. (and before the accusations come, I've been here arguing against the likes of AM and Loveverybody for years now, I 'aint an apologist.)

As for debanjan, I suspect she knows all about Islam and approves. The "PBUH" was quite the giveaway. She has many things to explain, as rightly pointed out by the posters here.

debanjan: in addition, please explain the verse that says in the last days the rocks and trees WILL cry out to muslims to murder Jews, the broken pact with the Jews and war waged by Mohammad, the lack of freedom of non-muslims in muslim countries, the apostosy laws and restrictions in the koran, and please provide modern examples of non-muslims implementing terrorism in the last 20 years citing their own scripture in doing so.

Also, you mentioned "zoinists". What do you think about the wall they built? Do you think Isreal is largely to blame for the mess there? What do you think of how the palastinians are behaving? What is your opinion of the aid Isreal is sending to palastine, despite their official policies (i.e. of HAMAS)?

Also, I would like to know which Islamic school you belong to.

"Robert Spencer has stated countless times that we should not support people just because they are anti-Islam. He has denounced the BNP and other white nationalist organization."

With all due respect to you and to Robert Spencer, he is not (yet) the actual leader of the Anti-Islam Movement, for three reasons:

1) he hasn't been chosen or elected by the people who would constitute the Anti-Islam Movement;

2) there isn't an actual Anti-Islam Movement yet in terms of an organization of which someone could be head or leader. While Spencer and Pam Geller have initiated something that could become the nucleus of a universal Anti-Islam Movement (which they call F.D.I. -- the Freedom Defense Initiative), their platform of 23 points has not been discussed and approved by the people who would constitute the Anti-Islam Movement (and some deficiencies of that platform were pointed out by Lawrence Auster);

and finally,

3) Robert Spencer is on record insisting that he is not anti-Islam! That kind of puts a little monkey wrench into his leadership of the Anti-Islam Movement -- unless enough of the people who would constitute the Anti-Islam Movement agree to restructure it as "the Sorta Kinda Anti-Islam Movement" or "the Movement that is not Anti-Islam but rather 'Anti-Elements-of-Islam' ".

answers to your questions.

1. she speaks hindi, the national language.

2. race group? pretty generic indian to me. from her hindi she seems to be from north.

3. she wear the hindu holy mark on forehead. often worn by priests or ordinary strict hindus. she could be brahmin.

some say she is from a radical hindu group, but these views about pakistan are common among almost all hindu indians. We despise pakistan because it's a land taken from india and given over to islam. These people even created a new race that they call pakistani.

Also i would like to add that many indians don't know why a "christian" nation like america keep supporting these pakistani people even though the christians in pakistan are treated like dogs, who can be killed at any moment.

james, I got the gist of her speech. and she doesn't say to just attack pakistan and take over.
You see in almost every war it has been the pakis who have attacked india using american supplied weaponery. They have sent wave after wave of jihadists and terroists to attack and kill indians. India has not stepped into paki territory. neither has india set up terrorists camps to train terrorists to go into pakistan.
She is saying that if the pakis keep attacking and making war, india will crush pakistan and retake the whole country. There is a limit to patience. It won't matter if they had atom bomb or not. Thus ending this jihdist threat. This is a warning to pakistan. Many indians agrees to this. Many indians don't.

Remember, to really be a Hindu or a Jew or a Zoroastrian (all three among the oldest religions) you have to be born into them. Their agendas do not include conquering the world.

It is very simple to become a follower of Mustafa bin Abdullah: one has to say "la ilah il allah, muhammad ar rasool ilah". The advancement of Dar ul "Islam" is an integral part of the faith. And they sincerely believe that they are doing good, and that this is good for the rest of humanity.

Remember, to really be a Hindu or a Jew or a Zoroastrian (all three among the oldest religions) you have to be born into them. Their agendas do not include conquering the world.

It is very simple to become a follower of Mustafa bin Abdullah: one has to say "la ilah il allah, muhammad ar rasool ilah". The advancement of Dar ul "Islam" is an integral part of the faith. And they sincerely believe that they are doing good, and that this is good for the rest of humanity.

Looks like the Friends&Lovers of Pakistan (FLoP) Group has been quite vociferous here in condemning Hindus and the caste system, casting racist slurs and disingenuously appealing to a common Abrahamaic ancestry to curry (how appropriate!) favour with non-Hindu posters. They have however chosen to ignore and not talk about all the evil and psychopathic violence that has blighted this planet on the urgings of the vile cult of Islam, which they ought to disown, before they start casting aspersions on others.

Whatever the Hindus did to have been able to resist and fight back the evil, murderous cult of islam over a thousand years, whether it was because of their caste system or otherwise,they were obviously doing something right and cheers to that. As comrade Deng might have said, it doesn't matter if the cat is black or white, as long as it catches the islamic rats!

Many thanks desidude. I had already surmised some of the general information you provided. The reason I asked about the facial features is that quite often there are distinctive features that are regional, e.g., the differences between North and South Vietnam are quite noticeable (women in the north have chiseled features and porcelain skin, in the south the noses tend to be somewhat flatter, etc.). I assumed the same must be true in a country as large as India. Also, subtle differences in pronunciation and word usage can be dead giveaways about the specific region where a person was born and raised. Think Professor Henry Higgins in "Pygmalion" or "My Fair Lady." It usually takes a native to detect them accurately, and you have indicated she probably came from the north. Was her speech/diction/locution/vocabulary that of an educated person by Indian standards? The reason I asked about the stripes on her forehead is that they seem to be quite different from the small red dot we almost always see in our Indian students in the U.S., and I assumed these to be indicative of different strains of Hinduism.

About the destruction of Pakistani Sherman tanks and American-built jet airplanes mentioned in the video. Recall that during the Cold War India was one of the leaders in the non-aligned movement and sided with the Soviet Union, our mortal enemy, on many issues. India's military hardware was supplied by the Soviet Union. The Americans allied with Pakistan because it provided us with listening posts in Peshawar and U-2 bases in Karachi for spy flights over the Soviet Union, so their military hardware came from the West. Some of the references in the video clip have to be interpreted in light of what was going on internationally at the time.

Of course, everything has changed today. The Soviet Union is gone, and we are becoming more and more aware that culture is important for more reasons than exotic food and music. Given the current situation, I would favor a complete realignment of U.S. priorities in the region, with a very strong tilt toward India. They are our natural allies.

You said: "Given the current situation, I would favor a complete realignment of U.S. priorities in the region, with a very strong tilt toward India. They are our natural allies."

Agreed.

And I would add that AUSTRALIA should be realigning its priorities - away from the dead-end relationship with rapidly sharia-ising Malaysia and Indonesia ( this month, very soon, first Barack Obama and *THEN* soon afterward Indonesian big boss Yudhoyono, will be addressing our Parliament ... I do hope all Australian parliamentarians will have their BS detectors switched on to 'HIGH') and with a strong tilt toward India, our sister Commonwealth country and neighbour across the Indian ocean. Australia and India have a shared history that goes back to the earliest days of the Raj.

I think India is a much better Asian friend and trading partner for Australia to choose, than post-Maoist China; and India, if encouraged and assisted to de-dhimmify herself, is also a much, much better friend for Australia than evil Islam-steeped Indonesia. In order, Australia's other regional friends-and-allies should be: Philippines; S Korea; Singapore; Japan; and then we in turn should be good-neighbouring and helping to beef up majority-Christian Papua-New Guinea and East Timor, who sit right on the uncomfortable front line against any Jihad emanating from Indonesia. If they can hold the line, then that keeps *us* safer.

Just think: instead of burning our precious men and money to no purpose in Afghanistan, or pouring jizya (oops! 'aid') into the gaping maws of Indonesia and Malaysia (and receiving only contempt and aggression and ever-increasing demands for 'more! more!' in response), we could be helping India hold the line against the Jihad in Kashmir; helping the Thais and the Filipinos crush the jihadis in their southern provinces; and arming and training PNG Christians and E Timor Christians and helping them cobble together a functional civil society, so they can defend themselves against future jihad waged against them from Indonesia.

Is anyone from ASIO or Foreign Affairs in Canberra reading this? Do please take note.

@Debanjan Banerjee

Above guy(Debanjan Banerjee) is a muslim guy under Hindu's name and creating conflict between Hindu's and Christian's community. That's all I have to say.

@Debanjan Banerjee

Above guy(Debanjan Banerjee) is a muslim guy under Hindu's name and creating conflict between Hindu's and Christian's community. That's all I have to say.

OK scheisskopf - for once again, either you are deliberately provoking me or you are a real King-pin wackie-wo. If you think your moronic analysis came to the conclusion that I am some kind of Hindu or something then you are exactly what I initially thought you were - a bigger moron punk that I thought. Since your analysis about me are out of whack, I conclude your analysis about that girl are also out of whack. At least I don't claim to know whether she is a Hindu supremacist, what the hell ever that means. She appears to be pissed about Islam as much as I am. I can figure why she feels about that in that way.

Lets go back to your crapy analysis about India/Paki situation- here is my take: first I don't give a rats ass about Pakiland because they are unable to produce anything that is worth any good to humanity. As far as I see India, they can help us because in this case we are on the same wavelength. Pakiland could be strategically carved into four or five manageable sized lands - (Crapstan-1/2../5) so they could be kept busy fighting with each other till eternity. Based on some the comments from the Indians on this site, I don't think they are hanking to take over Pakiland. Currently, the Nukes in Pakistani hands are not giving comfort to me siting in NY.

DID YOU GET THAT DICKHEAD?


HELLO AMERICA.......YOUR HARD EARNED TAX DOLLARS IN 10's OF BILLIONS POURING INTO PAKISTAN ARE HARD AT WORK HERE.......CHECK IT OUT:

Here are 2 interesting Youtube videos that clearly espouse
destruction of India, Israel and other kuffar nations to free (Allah's) people - the Palestinians, which will be the honor bestowed upon Pakistan by Allah, as "foretold" by Islamic religious texts, according to the speaker.

Video Title: Wakeup Pakistan!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bD982sWVIM0&feature=PlayList&p=3343C587185FBCE0&index=18

2.09 - we will take revenge for every shahid that died fighting in '47 and '71.
2.15 - they (Obama and Singh in graphic) will start and inshallah, we will finish.
2.44 - for 1400 we have prevailed in Jihad, not by the strength of armies, but by Allah's will.
3.36 - when khalid presents his plan to attack an army 60,000 Crusaders, with 30 Jihadists, his superiors tell him
to reinforce his force, "khalid take 60 Jihadist not 30" and Lo khalid defeated 60,000 Christians, why? Allah's will of course - (yeah...sure, whatever!)
4.01 we are salaudin's blood and decendants, unlike kafirs.
4.56 This Jihad will bring Hindu kings in chains as our slaves and conquer India, then turn around to conquer and destroy Israel and free Palestinians, and it will be Pakistan's honor to be make our foreteller's from the book a reality. (wow!)
........................................................

Here, the grand plan is to establish the USI, United States of Islam, a caliphate, with its own currency and sharia as its legal system, of course after world domination. This is now in the hands of Pakistan according to this Pakistani youth Islamic fundamentalist leader who is openly espousing Islamic Jihad which will not spare India, Bhutan, Nepal, etc, etc. according to him as foretold in the Islamic religious texts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFOLhTrAPGQ&feature=PlayList&p=3343C587185FBCE0&index=20


Blue Raven rightfully berates James Randal:

"ets go back to your crapy analysis about India/Paki situation- here is my take: first I don't give a rats ass about Pakiland because they are unable to produce anything that is worth any good to humanity."

I would go further: Pakistan is a ghoulishly evil, garishly fanatical and grotesquely dangerous regime.


On these sites:

http://www.panunkashmir.org/fundamentalism.html

http://ikashmir.net/atrocities/index.html

http://ikashmir.net/slides/genocide/index.html

You will find some proof samples of the kind of handiwork performed on the "little people" barcode is talking about - their enemy, the Hindu.
In fact some are so "little" they can barely walk, chosen perhaps because they can't run away from their attacker, the "larger more manly muslim soldier"(as barcode puts it above), trained in the fine art of islamic terrorism, massacre and ethnic cleansing by the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. These "larger more manly muslim soldiers" are armed with automatic weapons and explosives and trained in the fine islamic religious tradition to fire upon unarmed Hindu civilians or the "little people" in train stations, hotels and in packed restaurants as we witnessed in Mumbai. That was not enough, barcode's "larger more manly muslim soldiers" then attacked the Jewish place of worship in Mumbai, slaughtering all their jewish victims, including a pregnant woman, as they were being instructed by their Pakistani commanders, with a miracle from God, the Pakistani, "larger more manly muslim soldiers" somehow missed killing a Jewish child, saved by a "little indian person", the maid, later reunited with the victims family.

"Islam means peace", really ???

WAKE UP AMERICA !!

God bless America and the victims of Islam.

"You are the most thick headed SOB on this site. " - I hope so.

HOWEVER, colonizing it means CERTIFIED DEATH. Understand?" - you are even a bigger prick than I thought! I got to double check on the specie scale that you sprang from... lets see, a jackass toe stink springs to mind immediately.

Go and find some credible arguments. Stop displaying yourself in public. Have you noticed, the others also agree to my argument, to which you refuted without any substance.

Take a deep breath, and get a hold of yourself, count to three. Then repeat after me three (remember the number three - sorry can't make it simpler than that.. one, two and three.. I know the specie you originated from count to two.. like one, two and many.. remember three.. a huge step for a moron like you).. then repeat "James Randel is a bigger ScheissKopf than anyone". Repeat that proudly. Once you master the art saying that three times, you can spread the words round in your neighborhood. I am sure they will be real happy to see you breaking out of the shell.

You can thank me for helping you out. Its pleasure. For the time being go forth and multiply.

How cute, the august scholar Robert Spencer has to post a video from a young girl - where she condemns Christians - to get his followers collective dick hard.

Wow, how constructive a comment!

Where as you get "hard" at the thought of your co-religionists killing the infidel? You're a troll and an apologist for an EVIL political "religion". I think you've now truly earned the ban hammer with this comment. Bye bye troll.

(and by the way, Spencer is catholic, and many others here are Christian including myself, so your comment isn't just disgusting but nonsensical.)

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