UK: Fascist “anti-fascists” attack anti-jihad demonstrators

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The EDL (with Israeli flag at right)
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UAF (fighting the police)

I don’t know if it was really the socialist demagogue Huey Long who said that when fascism comes to America, it will be in the guise of anti-fascism, but whoever said it, the point holds true nowadays not only for America, but for the West in general. Yesterday’s English Defense League demonstration was a case in point: the violence was provoked by the “United Against Fascism” group, a gang of thugs bent on attacking and silencing those who are resisting the spread of Sharia of Britain — but those opposing Islamization and standing up for Israel and human rights against Sharia are the ones called fascists and even “Nazis” by one uninformed and Leftist senex in the viciously irresponsible (and unsupported) Daily Mail piece below. Apparently at least some at the Daily Mail buy the existence that desperate and fantastical invention of the libelblogger Charles Johnson, the pro-Israel neo-Nazi.

The EDL leadership has been consistent in rejecting the BNP and all racism and neo-fascism. There is no reliable indication that the EDL itself is in any way racist or neofascist, and a good deal of evidence to the contrary. The EDL is standing up to violent thugs from both the Left and the increasingly assertive Islamic communities in Britain, and they deserve the support of all free people.

Be sure to see Pamela’s report — she has a great deal more on this demonstration.

“Scores arrested as English Defence League and anti-fascists clash in violent street protests,” from the Daily Mail, March 21 (thanks to Pamela):

More than 70 people were arrested during clashes between right-wing and anti-fascist protesters which brought a town centre to a standstill.

Police condemned the violence in Bolton, Lancashire, yesterday which erupted between supporters of controversial right-wing group The English Defence League (EDL) and Unite Against Fascism (UAF).

Thousands of people took part in a rally in Victoria Square, with at least two police officers and members of the public injured.

At least 74 arrests were made, more than 55 from the UAF and nine from the EDL, police said.

Officers said UAF protesters were responsible for most of the trouble – and the organisation’s joint secretary, Weyman Bennett, was arrested and charged with conspiracy to organise violent disorder. […]

Assistant Chief Constable Garry Shewan, from Greater Manchester Police, who led the policing operation, said his officers faced ‘a lot of hostility’ and ‘unwarranted attacks’, resulting in injuries.

And he reserved his fiercest criticism for the anti-Fascist group, who he said had turned up intent on causing trouble.

‘Today in Bolton we have seen groups of people, predominantly associated with the UAF, engaging in violent confrontation,’ he said. […]

Second World War veteran Bertie Lois, 89, who lives in Farnworth, Bolton, protested with the UAF.

He said: ‘I fought the Second World War against these Nazis. What did I fight for if we let them? The EDL are the enemy. I would say to them ‘you are the guys we fought for, what are you doing?’

‘I am also here because I am against the war in Afghanistan.’ […]

Police said there were 2,000 EDL protesters in the square, and around 1,500 from UAF.

The EDL describes itself as a peaceful, non-political group campaigning against ‘militant Islam’.

But ugly scenes also marked one of their protests in Manchester last year, with 44 arrests and 10 injuries.

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  1. says

    Yes, there are certain Islamic-socialist alliances in Britain which operate political censorship and intimidation against peaceful demonstrations by the English Defence League.
    The same alliances try to stop Geert Wilders speaking in Britain.
    And, it is clear that such intimidatory political groups (as UAF in Britain) are trying to stop free speech on American university campuses.

  2. says

    Very sad that the poor old WWII vet is so misguided—and probably completely ingnorant of the Muslim alliance with the Nazis in WWII, and the sympathies for Nazis that thrive to this day in the Muslim world.

  3. says

    I also commend to everyone here the ‘New English Review’ compilation of material and reports in connection with this event.

    http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm/blog_id/26592

    http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm/blog_id/26597

    http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm/blog_id/26598

    Observe well, this passage from the ‘Bolton News’, quoting ‘Assistant Chief Constable Garry Shewan, who was the Gold Commander': he says “I would also like to praise the efforts of the EDL stewards who worked with us in the face of some very ugly confrontations.”

    Given that the EDL appears to have slightly outnumbered the UAF, it is telling that the vast majority of persons arrested on the day were…UAF. *Thirty-one* UAF personages were arrested, as opposed to only three of those associated with the EDL.

    Esmerelda Weatherwax, one of the chief contributors at the New English Review, has met and conversed with EDL members in London, and covered their rally in support of Geert Wilders during his recent visit. She pronounces herself in favour of them.

  4. says

    And pursuant to what dumbledoresarmy posted, this hints at some very curious possibilities. If it does get to the point of wider civil conflict in the UK or Europe, I don’t think it’s clear that the police and military are going to mindlessly side with the PCMC leftist elites, even if they are holding the reigns of government.

  5. says

    Sorry but this is utter nonsense. I’m all up for destroying Islamic extremism, but everyone in the UK KNOWS that the EDL is a thuggish and racist organisation. Their street protests more often than not involve members Nazi saluting, chanting anti-Muslim and generally racist and/or anti-immigration slogans, attacking UAF members with Palistinian or Pakistani flags, and even sending death threats to journalists. They even burn anti-Nazi flags. I’m not saying the UAF have the right to act in a violent way, but it’s nice to know you find it ok to condone and make excuses for this sort of overtly racist behaviour.

    It’s all very well to choose your sources as Daily Mail and an anonymous ‘insider’, but its hardly responsible journalism.

  6. says

    Sorry, misread the original post. Apparently you don’t even support the Daily Mail’s view, which is by far the most right-wing and anti-Muslim newspaper in Britain!

  7. says

    As far as I can tell, a Fascist is just a totalitarian socialist who kept nationalism, prudently kept capitalists around as managers for state-directed corporations, never pretended to do away with international war (while keeping class war), had a better sense of style, and preferred grand opera to ersatz “folk songs”.

    The Communists got envious, and “fascist” became a byword for everyone whom the Communists didn’t like ever since–even if those supposed “fascists” would do away with state control of education and engrave the US Bill of Rights with a diamond.

    And, as for the far left’s solicitude for minorities, how is it that once they’re in power, the far left is pretty good at deporting uppity minorities en masse or massacring them?

    I’ll pass on giving an opinion of the EDL, and let our British posters inform me.

  8. says

    “Scores arrested as English Defence League and anti-fascists clash in violent street protests”

    That headline is intolerable. Are we to call fascists “anti-fascists” just because they call themselves that? Did we ever take seriously the attempt by Soviet-style despotisms to call themselves “People’s Democracies”? We did not. Vigilance about words, please, always and everywhere.

  9. says

    At the second link given by “dumbledore’s army” — http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm/blog_id/26597

    you can find more from sources other than The Daily Mail, including the Press Association, the BBC, The Times and This is Lancashire”

    “The English Defence League (EDL), an organisation which opposes “radical Muslims” and Sharia law, organised the rally in Victoria Square, Bolton, Lancashire. A counter-demonstration by Unite Against Fascism (UAF) was also being held, and hundreds of police officers were trying to keep the two factions separate, aided by police dogs.
    Some 31 UAF protesters and three from EDL have been arrested, police said.

    Assistant Chief Constable Garry Shewan, from Greater Manchester Police, who is leading the policing operation, said: “There have been unwarranted attacks on police lines that have resulted in injuries. This is not a peaceful protest and we are facing a lot of hostility. We will take swift action when confronted with disorder. . . I am determined to identify offenders by whatever means and bring them to justice.”

    Among those arrested is Martin Smith, who runs the Love Music Hate Racism campaign another is believed to be a UAF organiser, Weyman Benett, on suspicion of conspiracy to commit violent disorder. Anindya Bhattacharyya, UAF press officer, said: “A large group of riot police charged in, there were at least a dozen of them. They grabbed him and physically dragged him away even though he was protesting peacefully.”

    One UAF girl with a megaphone could be heard chanting “we can start a riot, we can start a riot” which as the Times reader who also heard it said, is incitement. I hope she was also arrested.

    Protesters for the EDL were escorted away from Victoria Square by police. UAF supporters were then told to disperse by about 1630 GMT. A police spokeswoman said there were now only a few people left in the square.
    The BBC have a video clip here of the police quelling a UAF surge including their having to confiscate a “diversity’ rainbow flag.”

    The attempt by a poster (“Simon”) above to paint the EDL as violent, a bunch of lager louts, just doesn’t fit the bill now, if it ever did. And who do you think goes out into the streets to express their views and, if necessary, to physicaly face down the Muslim and the “anti-fascist” Stormtroopers who attempt to shout down and shut down everything from an “expressing-our-gratitude-to-our-troops” to lecturers trying to truthfully discuss Islam, and who need to be confronted by those who are most read, willing, and capable of doing so. Who should show up to defend Great Britain on the streets? The Ladies’ Auxiliary? Nobel winners at the Laboratory of Molecular Biology at Cambridge? Cambridge? The Regius Professor of Greek at Oxford? Who?

  10. says

    “When Fascism comes to America, it will (be in the name of/come under the guise of/be called) anti-Fascism!”

    Attributed to Huey Long in 1935 by various writers in 1938-1943

  11. says

    The EDL has one issue, and one issue only: it is opposed to the growing power of Muslims, at the expense of English legal and political institutions and social understandings. That is all. It does not have a policy on big or little government, on National Health, on schools, on taxes, on sexual activities to be regulated or not regulated, on various kinds of conceivable applications of the word “marriage,” and so on.

    So how, then, can people be allowed to get away with characterising it as “far-right”? It is not “far-right” any more than Magdi Allam, or Oriana Fallaci, or Ayaan Hirsi Ali, or Robert Redeker, or Pat Condell, are “far-right”? Are they? Are any of they? How? In what way? And how, in what way, is Geert Wilders “far-right”? The real “far-right,” the real Nazis, are to be found enthusiastically endorsing the Muslims when it comes to their Jihad against Israel, and because the kind of people who become Nazis or Fascists are seeking a collective, a kind of instantaneous Brotherhood based on a shared ideoloyg, and are also seeking to not have to think, but to be told what to do and what not to do at every step, why there is a very strong temptation for the kind of people who might become what we call “neo-Nazis” (but this term is silly, and “Nazi” will do just fine) are, in their mental makeup, the very same kind of people who nowadays convert, especially in the cases of male converts — the women are a bit more complicated — to Islam.

  12. says

    It seems the UAF is “anti-fascist” in much the same way that most Leftists and PC MCs are “anti-racist” — i.e., they Orwellianly support a vision, and the tactics, of the Isms they claim to oppose.

  13. says

    Actually the UAF had been holding meetings, leafleting and organising in Bolton for 3-4 weeks. The guy I spoke to made it clear the “racist fascist EDL” were going to be stopped.

    As to Simons,

    “but everyone in the UK KNOWS that the EDL is a thuggish and racist organisation”.

    Most people are so apolitical (apathetic?)that they have never even heard of the EDL. The talk for weeks has been not to go to town on 20 March because the UAF had said a lot of “Violent extremists” were coming to Bolton. Most did not know who they were, but said they were “Not the BNP but like the BNP”

    Hugh sums the situation up.

    “Who should show up to defend Great Britain on the streets?”
    “Nobel winners at the Laboratory of Molecular Biology”

    Anyone like that who sticks his head above the parapet to resist islam gets it shot off. They have controlled the BNP by destroying the careers or businesses of anyone associated with it. In one case they got a bus driver fired NOT because of his political views but because he was a safety risk to his passengers. Why? Well his bus was likely to be attacked by anti-fascists and passengers might get injured in the process. That the anti-fascists would most likely picket their depots and wreck their schedules was not mentioned.

    The only people who can risk coming out against islam are angry working class people with nothing to lose.

    As to the stance of the EDL see what you make of their website.

    http://casualsunited.webs.com/

    BTW Small detail, mentioned in only one obscure Northern paper (“The Huddersfield Examiner”?) the EDL demo was rescheduled from the 6 March because they did not want to disrupt a Hindu religious procession on that day.

  14. says

    The sad thing is that the main political leaders of the UK actually SUPPORT the UAF which as someone above pointed out above should be better called Unite All Facists instead of Unite Against Fascism. See here for a full list of the signatories to the UAF founding statement
    http://www.uaf.org.uk/aboutUAF.asp?choice=4

    Another interesting fact is that the EDL (and the Scottish and Welsh equivalents) started only last year with perhaps a few dozen people.Their first demonstrations were attended by a couple of hundred at most and were massively outnumbered by UAF and violent Muslims – who must all presumably actually SUPPORT Islamisation and violent extremism since they were protesting against a demonstration to oppose such.
    Well after only a few months the EDL can now muster 2000 to demonstrate. Says something does it not? I expect the movement to grow and grow since I know many middle class people who clearly support the aims but haven’t yet (and nor have I) joined and turned out. I suspect that may change. Hope so.

  15. says

    Detail

    Very little mention in national and local MSM that most of the arrests were UAF but the UAF is getting air time on local radio. No mention of interviews with the EDL

  16. says

    She could have at the very least washed her lank,greasy hair before her big day out. And Simon “everyone knows” is not a very convicing way of putting forward an argument. The EDL,will no doubt attract a few hot headed nutters,but go to great pains to dissassociate themselves from any political party,or racism of any stamp. Right now they are one of the very few hopes the UK has got from descending into an islamic hell.

  17. says

    I must have been at a different Bolton when I took my videos. This communist government and left wing press need throwing in the Thames. The EDL has no connection with the BNP, but I support both camps. Nick Griffin stands out today because of the way he walks, upright, It may just be that he is the only politician in the UK who has a spine. When I POST this, I will not be SUBMITTING it, as I am civilised and not muslim!!!

  18. says

    Who else could muster a few hundred people to shout in public: ‘Allah Allah Allah, who the fuck is Allah’?! This chant has just been banned by the EDL leadership.

    A pity. This should be shouted from every other rooftop in the West, particularly those within muezzin-warbling-distance of mosques.

  19. says

    The Auschwitz sign stolen late 2009 reads “Arbeit Macht Frei” which translates as “Work makes one free”.

    That’s socialist ideology.

    So who’s the fascist?

  20. says

    In addition to the Union Flag (UK) and Flag of St George (England) you can also make out the Stars and Stripes (USA)the Red Dragon Flag (Wales), and the Flag of Israel. On AtlasShrugs you can make out the Flag of the Netherlands (although one post mentions a French flag, I think they mistook the red-white-blue horizontal tricolour of the Netherlands seen in a photograpoh on that site for the vertical tricolour of France. On ArtlasShrugs there is also mention of some gay symbolism (rainbows, pink triangles).

  21. says

    If some done their home work properly and take a look at the roots of EDL, the will find that the football hooligans do not have a history of racism

    Here is the result of the research I had done

    The English Defence League (also known as the EDL and occasionally referred to as English and Welsh Defence League is a British organisation formed in 2009 whose professed aim is to oppose the spread of Islamism, Sharia law and Islamic terrorism in the United Kingdom.

    The English Defence League’s spokesman Trevor Kelway said in August 2009 that British Muslims and Jews who are against militant Islam can join the League “as long as they accept an English way of life”.

    The British press and nearly every Tom Harry And Dickhead has described the group as far-right

    The label Far Right is now attached to any group that opposes the status quo.

    Far Right is the magic word that conquers up images of nazis turning jews into soap, or white thugs burning negroes on crosses

    Far right political groups have been in existence in the United Kingdom since the end of World War II, though earlier antecedents can be discerned in the fascist and anti-Jewish movements of the 1930s. It went on to acquire more explicitly racial connotations, being controlled in the 1960s and 1970s by self-proclaimed White nationalist individuals and organisations that oppose non-white and Muslim immigration and multiculturalism, such as the British National Party (BNP) . Since the 1980s, the term has mainly been used to express the wish of such groups to preserve what they perceive to be British culture, and to campaign actively against the presence of non-indigenous ethnic minorities and what they perceive to be an excessive number of asylum seekers.

    This label has been slapped onto the EDL, but does the EDL really fit the description Far Right whose only aim is to oppose the spread of Islamism, Sharia law and Islamic terrorism in the United Kingdom.

    A rare moment of Truth from Searchlight

    A spokesman for the anti-fascist organisation Searchlight said: “There are a number of fascist elements that have attached themselves to EDL and Casuals United, but these groups are not extreme rightwing organisations.”

    As of now there are no proof that EDL are connect to nazi or white power group, in fact the evidence points the other way. The history of EDL does not go back more than a couple of months, but a couple of their members do have a history of violence (non racial)

    The English Defence League has support of The Casuals Which has a long history of extreme violence

    Football hooliganism in England dates back to the 1880s, when what were termed as roughs caused trouble at football matches. Local derby matches would usually have the worst trouble, but in an era when travelling fans were not common, roughs would sometimes attack the referees and the away team’s players.

    Between the two World Wars, football hooliganism diminished to a great extent, and it started to attract media attention in the early 1960s. A moral panic developed because of increased crime rates among juveniles, and because of the mods and rockers conflict. Football matches started to feature regular fights among fans, and the emergence of more organised hooliganism.

    Fans started to form themselves into groups, mostly drawn from local working class areas. They tended to all stand together, usually at the goal-end terrace of their home football ground, which they began to identify as their territory. The development of these ends helped bring about national gang rivalries, focused primarily around football clubs.

    With the growth of fans travelling to watch their local club play away matches, these gangs became known as hooligan firms, and during matches they focused their attentions on intimidating opposing fans. Some hooligans travelled to games on the Football Specials train services.Starting in the late 1960s in the United Kingdom, the skinhead and suedehead styles were popular among football hooligans.

    Eventually, the police started cracking down on people wearing typical skinhead clothing styles, so some hooligans changed their image. In the early 1980s, many British hooligans started wearing expensive European designer clothing, to avoid attracting the attention of authorities.

    This led to the development of the casual subculture. Clothing lines popular with British casuals have included: Pringle, Fred Perry, Le Coq Sportif,Aquascutum, Burberry, Lacoste, Timberland, Lonsdale, Sergio Tacchini, Ben Sherman, Ralph Lauren, Abercrombie and Fitch and Stone Island

    .During the 1970s, organised hooligan firms started to emerge with clubs such Arsenal Birmingham City Derby County , Chelsea, Everton FC etc etc Two main events in 1973 led to introduction of crowd segregation and fencing at football grounds in England. Manchester United were relegated to the Second Division, and the Red Army caused mayhem at grounds up and down the country, and a Bolton Wanderers fan stabbed a young Blackpool fan to death behind the Kop at Bloomfield Road during a Second Division match

    .In March 1985, hooligans who had attached themselves to Millwall were involved in large-scale rioting at Luton when Millwall played Luton Town in the quarter final of the FA Cup. Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher’s immediate response was to set up a “War Cabinet” to combat football hooliganism.

    On 29 May 1985, 39 Juventus fans were crushed to death during the European Cup Final between Liverpool and Juventus at Heysel Stadium in Brussels; an event that became known as the Heysel Stadium disaster. Just before kick-off, Liverpool fans broke through a line of police officers and ran toward the Juventus supporters in a section of the ground containing both English and Italian fans. When a fence separating them from the Juventus fans was broken through, the English supporters attacked the Italian fans, the majority of whom were families rather than ultras who were situated in the other end of the ground. Many Italians tried to escape the fighting, and a wall collapsed on them. As a result of the Heysel Stadium disaster, English clubs were banned from all European competitions until 1990, with Liverpool banned for an additional year

    .On 11 May 1985 a 14-year-old boy died at St Andrews stadium when fans were pushed onto a wall by Police which subsequently collapsed following crowd violence at a match between Birmingham City and Leeds United. The fighting that day was described by Justice Popplewell, during the Popplewell Committee investigation into football in 1985 as more like “the Battle of Agincourt than a football match”. Because of the other events in 1986 and the growing rise in football hooliganism during the early 1980s, an interim report from the committee stated that “football may not be able to continue in its present form much longer” unless hooliganism was reduced, perhaps by excluding “away” fans.

    Margaret Thatcher, UK Prime Minister from 1979 to 1990, made a high-profile public call for the country’s football hooligans to be given “stiff” prison sentences to act as a deterrent to others in a bid to clamp down on hooliganism. Her minister for sport, Colin Moynihan, attempted to bring in an ID card scheme for football supporters.

    The government acted after the Hillsborough disaster in 1989, when 96 fans died, bringing in the Football Spectators Act 1989 in the wake of the Taylor Report. However, the Hillsborough Justice Campaign states: “the British Judicial system has consistently found that violence or hooliganism played no part whatsoever in the disaster”.

    On 15 February, 1995, England played Ireland. English fans started to throw items down into the stand below and rip up seats; after battles broke out between police and English fans, 50 people were injured. Rumours of IRA retribution at Dublin Airport never materialised and no fixture has been arranged between the two neighbouring countries since

    .English and German fans have a rivalry dating back to the late 1980s. Other occasional clashes have occurred with a few other teams since the mid 1980s.France 98 was marred by violence as English fans clashed with the North African locals of Marseille, which led to up to 100 fans being arrested

    .In the 2000s, English football hooligans often wear either clothing styles that are stereotypically associated with the “[casual]” subculture, such as items made by Shark and Burberry. Prada and Burberry withdrew certain garments over fears that their brands were becoming linked with hooliganism. English hooligans have begun using Internet forums, mobile phonesand text messages to set up fight meetings or provoke rival gangs into brawls. Sometimes fight participants post live commentaries on the Internet.

    Racial motivated violence has not had any significant role in this mayhem

    There are over fifty firms, and it is not clear which firms are supporting EDL, but if we are to find any links to nazism we should look at the firms, and not biased reports from the MSM, BBC UAF and Socialist shit stirrers

    Several of the firms I checked on such The Birmingham City,s Zulus have members from different ethnic backgrounds.

    One figure associated with the West Ham United,s Inter City Firm was Cass Pennant who was Jamaican

    Yid Army is also a general name given to Tottenham Hotspur fans. For various reasons (fan base, directors, Alf Garnett,) some fans of other clubs started taunting Tottenham fans by calling them Yids which they thought was an insult.

    Not all is rosy because when looking at The Chelsea Headhunters we find There was widespread racism amongst the gang and links to various white supremacist organisations, such as Combat 18, the National Front and Northern Irish loyalist paramilitary organisations, such as the Ulster Defence Association and Ulster Volunteer Force.

    They were infiltrated by investigative reporter Donal MacIntyre for a documentary screened on the BBC on 9 November 1999, in which MacIntyre posed as a wannabe-member of the Chelsea Headhunters. He had a Chelsea tattoo applied to himself for authenticity, although the hardcore were surprised he chose the hated “Millwall lion” badge rather than the classic 1960s upright lion one. He confirmed the racist elements in the Headhunters and their links to Combat 18, including one top-ranking member who had been imprisoned on one occasion for possession of material related to the Ku Klux Klan. The programme led to arrests and several convictions. One member of the Headhunters, Jason Marriner, who was convicted and sent to prison as a result of the show, has since written a book claiming to have been set up by MacIntyre and the BBC. He claims that footage was edited and manipulated, and “incidents” were manufactured and they were convicted despite having no footage of them committing crime

    It is not known if any Head Hunters have joined up with EDL

    As of now I have not seen anything linking EDL to Nazism or Racism only attempts by Government supported red fascists and pro islamic media.

    What I have seen are a group of very violent men who have shown great restrain under intense provocation, from an equally violent rabble of leftards and moslems who have until now run amok with out any opposition

  22. says

    I am happy that these people are anti islam. If any body is going to defend the UK against the nazi like march of islam it’s these exhubrent young ppl. The other ppl, passive do gooders supporting more mass immmigration of muslims, will most likely convert to islam, get killed by muslims or flee the UK. sooner or later UK will proberly be broken up just like yugoslavia. but what will NATO do? aid the muslims and bomb the real british?

  23. says

    Simon,what you say is partly true.

    Defacing mosques, there is no evidence of this,

    Racist slogans, again this is not proven,any-way, one must remember that to speak out against islam is by default is labelled racist.

    Attacking police, yes this did happen at the stoke demo, by a small group of idiots.

    Threatening journalists,where is the proof of this.

    Drinking on the streets, This is an issue that has been discussed within the EDL forum.

    Destroying both private and public property. Yes this has happened, yet you fail to mention that the EDL have paid for damage that has been caused by members

    Up until the Stoke demo the leadership did not have full control, which is why Stoke was a total disaster. Since then we have had two demos, which the EDL have pulled off without any problems. The leadership have done a fanststic job in turning the EDL around.

    EDL have had major teething problems since its inception and considering that a year ago they didn’t even exist, they are evolving and adapting well, and from what we have seem from the last two demos it seems they are willing to take on board constructive criticism and learn from their mistakes.

    Despite their many failures and failings as an organisation and poor leadership skills etc., there have been some tremendous successes. Who else could muster a few hundred people to shout in public: ‘Allah Allah Allah, who the fuck is Allah’?! This chant has just been banned by the EDL leadership.

    As for being racist/fascist that is a joke, anybody who has visited their forum will notice they are quite the opposite. In fact any body who is too critical of islam are banned.

    Here I would like to correct Hugh, the stated goals of EDL is to stop sharia, and extreme islam. Their aim is not to stop islamization, or to stop islam.

    BTW I have been banned from EDL because my views concerning islam where to extreme for EDL.

    Anybody here who is from EDL, I would like to say, well done, you are doing a great job after what you learnt at Stoke

  24. says

    I agree bewick, the EDL is a young party. I support their charter and agenda. As I understand it, it calls for diverse British citizens to oppose sharia laws and mass immigration. it supports British values. Now who could be against it except the Muslims? So we have may some hotheads and even nazis and hooligans joining this party. But eventually they will get bored and leave this party to join groups more favorable to their viewpoints such as BNP or various nazi/hate groups. Are we to condemn a party because we see some nasty individuals in it? than we should condemn many parts like the democrats and republicans. The libs had their own hooligans and racists in the party. even sen Byrd a Former KKK member is a democrat.
    Is being nice to the Muslims as the libs and conservatives recommend get anywhere? absolutely not. we have had 50 years of being nice to Muslims in India. they have more rights and freedoms in India than in Pakistan. But are these people supporting the native Indian culture an values? no, they aren’t they only love the Arabic values, religion, and culture. One day they hope to take over and declare India and Islamic republic. So as you can guess I had it with all the do gooders and nice people of India bending over backwards for these Muslim ungrateful wretches. A people whos main function in India is to procreate like crazy, build mosques, grab whatever freebies handed to them and complain incessantly about being denied their rights.
    Same thing will happen in the UK with these Muslims if it isn’t stopped. Is this what labour and conservatives want in the UK? More importantly ,Is this what the British people want?

  25. says

    As to the motto “Arbeit Macht Frei” used on the gates of Auschwitz and other camps, even Nazis could appreciate irony.

    The Nazis did regard themselves as a socialist movement of sorts. The official name of the Nazi political party was from 1920 the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (NSDAP), or National Socialist German Workers’ Party.

    Fascism was originated as a totalitarian nationalist movement. It rejects individualism, instead advocating a corporatist society, rejecting both capitalism and communism (state socialism) for a “third way” economy. They believe that their society must be ready and willing to use violence and war to regenerate national solidarity. They stress collective identity, and proscribe and suppress opposition by individuals or political parties within their state. They consider anyone not assimilated into the fascist movement as a threat to the nation to be ruthlessly eliminated.

    Notice the correspondences? Change a few words and the description of the fascist movement would easily fit Islam. Is it any wonder that the Fascists of the soi-disant “Anti-Fascist” UAF are now fellow travellers of Islam.