Once again, Western custom and practice must adapt to Islamic custom and practice. There is never any compromise on the Islamic side, or any adaption, assimilation, or accommodation, when in non-Muslim countries. But no one ever seems to notice.
"Female Muslim doctors allowed to wear disposable sleeves for modesty: official guidance," by Rebecca Smith in the Telegraph, March 27 (thanks to Wally):
Female Muslim doctors and nurses are to be allowed to wear disposable sleeves in order to comply with NHS rules to prevent the spread of hospital superbugs. All staff involved in caring for patients should be 'bare below the elbows' to ensure sleeves do not become contaminated and hands can be washed thoroughly to prevent infections passed around the ward.However female Muslim staff had been concerned about the rule as exposure of their forearms is seen as immodest.
Staff in several hospitals had reportedly refused to expose their arms for hand washing and 'scrubbing in' procedures before surgery.New guidance from the Department of Health said staff can wear disposable sleeves which are elasticated at the wrist and elbow when in contact with patients.
The guidance also states that using alcohol gel to cleanse hands between treating patients does not contravene strict Muslim rules on alcohol.
The guidance was drawn up following meetings between the Muslim Spiritual Care Provision in the NHS group and Islamic scholars, chaplains, multi-faith representatives and infection control experts.
It said: "Use of hand disinfection gels containing synthetic alcohol does not fall within the Muslim prohibition against natural alcohol (from fermented fruit or grain)."...
What a relief!
Thats nothing full Burka will be allowed very soon.
No Muslim doctors, nurses, or pharmacists for me or mine.
Enough said.
I wonder how it works with these muslim doctors and nurses. How in earth does a muslim nurse wash a male patients body or a musilm doctor give a proper check up to a male? Or do they just not do it and to hell with the patient not to mention the extra work load for the infidel stooges?
What is particularly troubling with all these UK accommodations is that they are trail-blazing markers of how US nursing & medical authorities will likewise concede on these issues. As Robert notes, never but never is there any sort of assimilation to the host country. Instead there is the constant hollowing out of common sense.
As I recall, when this issue first raised its ugly head, the British Medical Association was firmly against special accommodations for muslims. What the hell happened?
Forearms? These insane people are worried about exposing their forearms? Someone should really just get in their face and scream at them that their concern about exposing their forearms which no one cares about or wants to see makes them insane and they need to go to a psychiatrist for treatment before continuing work.
"UK: Female Muslim doctors may wear disposable sleeves for modesty"
Just to be clear, this isn't about "modesty," not in the slightest possible way, this is ONLY about Islamic supremacism and the tactics of Islam which all involve to one degree or another the gradual forcing of Islam onto the entire society.
And it is safe to say that most of these same creatures who are fighting over this issue of exposing their forearms have hearts which are filled with the most evil black hate for infidels, they should not be allowed to touch a non-Muslim in need of nursing care. Their duties should be limited to emptying bed pans and similar tasks.
The word "iatrogenic" (doctor-caused) already exists. Is there a word for "hospital-caused" or "nurse-caused," for it will surely come in more and more handy, if this and other soft appeasements, with consequences for the wellbeing of patients that no doubt will be observable and, eventually, observed, and then this kind of decision will be reversed, after it is, for some patients paying the price for others' appeasements.
The Hippocratic Oath does not, for Muslim doctors and nurses, trump Islam. For them, nothing trumps Islam.
Dr. Muslimah could become problematic
If she inspects you for concerns priapatic.
It will show disrespect
If you're anatomically correct
And gametically unsymptomatic.
Too contemptuous for words.
Someone who considers bare forearms to be immodest, yet who understands the medical need to uncover them, and still refuses to comply with rules to that effect -- especially if that person has been medically trained as a physician or a nurse, and presumably has studied anatomy, physiology, biology and has attained a degree of familiarity and comfort with bodily parts, yet persists with the "immodest" excuse -- that person is not, in my mind, competent to provide medical care.
In order to maintain proper hygiene, I presume the sleeves will need to be changed in-between seeing each patient. Therefore, how will these women *not* be able to expose their forearms when changing the sleeves? I also can hardly comprehend how they managed to get through medical school without ever seeing or touching a man's body, nude or otherwise. How can they reconcile medical training with being Muslim in the first place?
They should just tattoo sleeves on from the elbow down.
"ThinkThrice" said: "these same creatures who are fighting over this issue of exposing their forearms have hearts which are filled with the most evil black hate for infidels,"
You should talk. Sounds like you have a lot of "evil black hate" for non-infidels, i.e., for the more than one billion Muslims in this world.
Yes, we believe in modesty. Christians and Jews used to believe in it (and orthodox Jews still do), but that was back when Christians and Jews still honestly believed in God. Nowadays most don't, or they pay lip service. If you don't think modesty has any purpose, check out the rate of adultery among Muslims vs. non-muslims.
"ThinkThrice" said: "these same creatures who are fighting over this issue of exposing their forearms have hearts which are filled with the most evil black hate for infidels,"
You should talk. Sounds like you have a lot of "evil black hate" for non-infidels, i.e., for the more than one billion Muslims in this world.
Yes, we believe in modesty. Christians and Jews used to believe in it (and orthodox Jews still do), but that was back when Christians and Jews still honestly believed in God. Nowadays most don't, or they pay lip service. If you don't think modesty has any purpose, check out the rate of adultery among Muslims vs. non-muslims.
"If you don't think modesty has any purpose, check out the rate of adultery among Muslims vs. non-muslims. "
Maybe because non-Muslims aren't KILLED for committing adultery. Do you think that has anything to do with it?
You believe in modesty, but you also believe non-Muslims should be killed for being non-Muslims.
Simple-
fire all the Muzzies who won't compromise and hire people who will.
If they don't want to show their arms then they shouldn't become fucking doctors.
Abdul-Latif: In Khartoum - an Islamic paradise - I went to an orphanage. Very busy. Full of babies who were thrown on the street for the dogs to eat.
What were you saying about adultery?
Oh, by the way, next time I went, the orphanage had closed down. Corruption; someone had stolen the funds aquired from local and foreign donors. Poor babies: who takes them in now? (Islam disapproves of adoption.)
"What a relief" is right!
Does this mean I can refuse a Muslim nurse if she is wearing a cloth covering on her arms thereby possibly exposing me to harmful superbugs?
You may personally believe in modesty and not harbor Koranic prescribed bitter hatred in your heart but unfortunately you don't get any credit for that because of the FACT that the so-called "modesty" in Islam IS FORCED ON MUSLIM WOMEN, THEY HAVE NO CHOICE! So seeing a Muslim woman covered up in a trash bag means absolutely nothing except that she is a human being without free will. If Muslims were not forced to be Muslims, if Muslim women were not forced to wear a trash bag, if Muslims were allowed to leave Islam if they (like any normal rational human being) did not believe in the despicable so-called "prophet" Muhammad, THEN their "modesty" shown to the world by their wearing of a trash bag all the time would count for something. I don't "hate" Muslims, I pity them, I weep for them that they are going to spend eternity in hades because of their rejection of Christ by following the blasphemer Muhammad whose evil actions against the Jews, God's chosen people is unparalleled in the history of the world, and whose rejection of Christ and his life on earth breaking all of the Ten Commandments assure that he is now in Hell awaiting the arrival of all of the followers of his evil cult.
I would "modestly" describe how superior Western culture is to so-called "Islamic" culture due, in no some part, to Western art's celebration of the nude image, but art lessons are somewhat lost on the Ak-47 and RPG crowd.
The word "iatrogenic" (doctor-caused) already exists. Is there a word for "hospital-caused" or "nurse-caused"...
Better yet, "Islamogenic". Gets to the heart of the matter.
They should just tattoo sleeves on from the elbow down.
Tattoos are haram in Islam. The best solution, once again, is to drain the swamp, not keep swatting at the mosquitos who keep pullulating out of that swamp spreading malaria.
Abdul-Latif -
Your comments about Muslims and adultery are laughable. Considering that Muslim men can legally "wed" four women at the same time, adultery is de riguier in your stinkin' Dar al Islam. Just like pederasty (AKA Aisha) being religiously sanctioned by the Imams. You are right - we don't like you and we wish you would return to Dar al Islam at the earliest possible moment.
Regarding the commentator who stated no Muslim doctors for me or my family - good luck with that. Once the new Obama-care kicks in, you will probably be fined for refusing to accept whatever medical care from whatever provider the Obama thugs see fit to provide.
If we don't throw the buffoons out in November 2010 and impeach Obama, kiss the US and the rest of the free world goodbye.
Don't forget the short term marriages. Instead of just paying a hooker cash money like they do in lowly infidel countries, Muslims have a short term temporary "marriage" so they can get their jollies and still be a pious Muslim.
Abdul Latif is the typically corrupt leeching Muslim savage who hates infidels and his sponging intolerant type needs kicking off our shores for the well-being of generations to come.
The name for infections received in the hospital, those
caused in particular from improper washing of the hands
are referred to as " nosocomial " infections. Nurses wash
the hands before and after taking care of patients. If a surgical dressing is changed or if in the OR one washes and rinses from the fingertips to 2 inches above the elbow utilizing the principle of aseptic technique. Neither
disposable gloves or disposable sleeves can ever take the place of aseptic technique. It won't be long in the UK before hospital and clinic infections rise. If these rises are in area with a large # of MDS or Nurses utilizing anything other than aseptic technique, infectious control
committees will know just who to blame. Lister first
gave medicine and surgery practitioners the gift of aseptic
technique. He was English and with this news is not just turning over in his grave, he's spinning there.
"Lister first gave medicine and surgery practitioners the gift of aseptic technique. He was English and with this news is not just turning over in his grave, he's spinning there."
Gee, another great advancement in knowledge by a white Christian European man.
(For those wondering why this matters, in the modern West schools try to teach that all groups have contributed equally to everything but a serious study of history shows that, and it is not "racist" to acknowledge it, much of the advancements in science and civilization in the modern age were from white Christian European men.) What has Islam done for the world? No inventions, no Nobel Prizes, no advancements in forms of government, nothing but destruction of civilizations. Islam out of the West now.