UK: KFC diner told "you can't have bacon in your burger here - we're now halal"

Simply beautiful...I love your way of thinking..LOL

I'm thinking about making a turban out of extra long strips of bacon, and then attending friday services at my local Islamic house of demon worship. Stroll in innocently and ask about information about the Quran, and Islam.
Salaam, salaam. peace be upon him, salaam

What?

Moslems are offensive to me.

:-D

What was England before the Romans came? In fact, what was most of the Middle East before the Romans came? Or the Persians came? Or the Greeks came? Or...it goes on and on and on...

IMO too many of you people convulse in unreasonable fear of loss in the face of nothing more than a natural demographic shift.

Want to save "your England?" Stop viewing sex as recreation and start procreating...Stop pointing fingers and crying, get off your ass and work in the system legally to change what you don't like...that or suck it up, accept it, and get along...

There are laws for all in GB and they are being applied fairly...what is wrong with you that you don't like justice?

Good for you!

A true-blue-died-in-the-wool capitalist!

If you don't like what is on the TV don't call the station whining, change the channel.

You have the power of choice, only....

not the luxury of command.

"Convulse in unreasonable fear?" What's wrong with being upset and revulsed when a small minority group has the arrogance and temerity to believe itself powerful and righteous enough to force its mandates upon the majority?

That's what's happening here. Slowly but steadily, and our western enlightenment ideals are fading away.

The most insidious and disgusting thing about Shariah is what most people do not yet fully understand: it does not just apply to moslems, it applies to infidels as well. When lawmakers are in bed with these forces, how do you expect us to alter the laws without doing exactly what we're doing here? Should we just shut up, "suck it up," as you say? Or do we point these things out, discuss them, move on them? Organize?

Laws in GB are being applied fairly, eh? Why can't people just be happy that (increasingly Mahoundian) justice is being applied? What's wrong with people? Why won't we just lie back and accept the inevitable "natural demographic shift?"

You make me sick, moslem. I'm not lying down for you nor is anyone else here. You don't like that attitude from an unclean Kafir?? Well you know just what you can kiss, and you know exactly where you can go.

"You have the power of choice, only....

not the luxury of command."

Does that read to anynone else like a thinly veiled threat?

"You have the power of choice, only..."

But you're working on eliminating that, aren't you?

"not the luxury of command."

No, the "luxury of command" is yours, right? You assume it by your tone.

Keep it up...we're only going to get louder the more arrogant and supremacist you become.

So that means you are fine with Christians immigrating by the millions into Saudi Arabia and other so-called "Islamic" lands and building churches, and other Western businesses that sell alcohol and pork etc. Problem is Muslims would not allow that, they would physically kill, shed the blood of, exterminate, those who tried to do that. But in their sick evil beliefs they think it is fine to go to other lands and destroy them in the same way they have destroyed the other once great civilizations of the world. If Islam had never been invented, if Muhammad had been killed as a child, the entire Middle East would today be a wonderland of marvels impossible to even take in.

Kegner Bifresye wrote:

IMO too many of you people convulse in unreasonable fear of loss in the face of nothing more than a natural demographic shift.
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Firstly, this is not a "natural demographic shift". Britain has foolishly pursued a policy over the last forty years that has allowed large numbers of radical Muslims into the country.

Also, notice the intimations of "racism" implicit in Bifresye's comments. If Britain's population was simply undergoing an ethnic shift, I doubt many people would be all that alarmed. But many of the Muslims coming to Britain have expressed support for Jihad terror and the imposition of Shari'ah law.

More and more, Britain is becoming a center of Islamic terrorism.

More:

There are laws for all in GB and they are being applied fairly...what is wrong with you that you don't like justice?
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The spread of Shri'ah law—which has already begun in Britain—ensures that there is *not*one law for all. The full adoption of Shari'ah law would ensure that Infidel Britons—of *whatever race and heritage*—would be oppressed dhimmis.

No one here is "convulsing in unreasonable fear of loss", but we have seen the 7/7 bombings, and the attack on Glasgow airport, and the Lockerbie Bombing, and the London Imams calling for the murder of Infidels, and are justifiably concerned.

Just what exactly do you believe Islam is bringing to Britain that is so beneficial? Is it the increased crime rates? The Jihad terrorism? The rise of "honor killings" and polygamy? The injustice of the Shari'ah courts? I, for one, am curious...

Too many Muslims convulse in fear of their filthy co-religionists. There is no bigger group of sissified men than Muslims who are such a bunch of pathetic quivering pussies that they can't even stand up for their own self and say that they choose not to be a bowing scraping Islamic fool praying five times a day to a false god and obeying all sorts of idiotic meaningless rules including no alcohol or pork. What a bunch of useless, womanly, fearful, excuses for men.

"There are laws for all in GB and they are being applied fairly...what is wrong with you that you don't like justice?"

I would advise you that this is very far from the case the muslim and "anti-racist lobby" is so powerful the muslims can get away with almost anything and they know it. I could fill pages with my personal experience let alone what slips into the MSM but consider these few.

All drivers in the UK must carry insurance by law and uninsured cars can now be confiscated and sent to the crusher. The original City of Bradford (excluding its modern suburbs) is muslim majority. It was recently mentioned that Bradford has the highest number of uninsured drivers in the UK - 50%. Are the police going to crush half the cars in Bradford?

I have met harmless white families who were the last white people living in their streets. They cannot move because the muslims know no one but them will buy and they offer less than 50% of value. Both have had bricks through their windows one to the cry of "F--- off out of our street you white bitch and sell us your house". She told me "Police say they can do nothing too many Pakistani". These cases were of course extreme as continual low level harassment is the more more usual way to get rid of kuffurs.

In another area try reading "Belonging" by Sameem Ali. She talks of the conspiracy of silence that allowed her parents to deny her an education and ship her out to Pakistan at 13 to marry a cousin in payment of a debt. In particular she describes how she got pregnant because she knew they would send her back to the UK to have the child on the NHS. Nobody, but nobody in the NHS said anything when a 14 year old muslim child turned up at the ante natal clinic. Had she not been muslim the police would almost certainly been informed. Her experience is not unique and in return for a UK passport one family had no trouble finding a bride for their mentally handicapped paraplegic son.

And so on and on and on............................

The British native population is ethnically pretty much the same as it was before the Romans, Saxons, Danes/Vikings and Normans came. DNA studies have shown that the various invasions did not result in gross changes in ethnicity i.e. the invaders provided a small ruling class that was eventually assimilated (Romans, Normans) or a larger but not predominant settler population that lived in separate villages and farmsteads among the host community and eventually intermixed (Saxons, Danes/Vikings). Theories about Britons being pushed out to the "Celtic Fringe" have been discredited.

If a newly implanted group is uninvited or they remain aloof and stop acting like guests but start acting like hostile intruders who want supremacy over the hosts, then the rules change. They can submit to assimilation or at least reach a harmonious accomodation with the host culture or they can "procreate" off.

Justice? It is the application of laws but laws can be suspended or changed to suit the circumstances in order to secure the state.

Even home grown politico-religious supremacist movements can be stopped in their tracks. To take a historical example, Britain eventually tired of a couple of centuries of Roman Catholic inspired plots, insurrections and attempted invasions (1583 to 1745) and removed to various degrees over a couple of centuries the civil rights of Catholics including the right to vote, the right to take a seat in parliament, the right to own land or to serve in responsible positions in the judiciary, military, civil service or local authorities. More draconian measures were used on occasion e.g. in Ireland some of the participants in fighting in the 1640's were declared unlawful combatants and subject to summary execution without trial on their capture.

Catholic civil rights were removed progressively, particularly in mid-17th century (after the English Civil War) and were not fully restored until mid-19th century. There was thus a long period in which practically no Catholics played any significant role in public life in Britain. There remains residual discrimination in that the head of state may not be or marry a Catholic.

The history is interesting but unfortunately not applicable to the problem of Islam. All attempts by people in the West to construct some sense out of Islam based upon comparisons to any other religion or trend in history are doomed to failure. Islam is absolutely unique in the threat that it poses to any host society. It plays by entirely different rules, even the most basic concepts of "lying" are incompatible (Islam authorizes lying if in furtherance of the Jihad.) It may well be too late before enough people in England/Europe realize this to actually do anything about it. Islam will never assimilate, it will only grow (no one can leave on pain of death), and will only be stopped by not allowing in the West at all (except perhaps for a truly minuscule number involved in business or education.)

The demographic shift is not specific to ethnicity…it is a much broader picture than that, yet it is happening, an undeniable reality on the ground.

“ They can submit to assimilation or at least reach a harmonious accommodation with the host culture or they can "procreate" off.”

Remember, you have the right to choice only, not the luxury of command…Capitalist-Democracy, remember?

“Justice? It is the application of laws but laws can be suspended or changed to suit the circumstances in order to secure the state.” “Even home grown politico-religious supremacist movements can be stopped in their tracks.”

All of your references you noted are from recent “antiquity”…I call to your attention, http://www.capitalpunishmentuk.org/tyburn.html, in the time frame you base your comments on I note that seven to 16 year old children, boys and girls, were often executed some times for crimes as petty as stealing in a boarding house in England…

Stay focused on the “now”…

We have not given our governments the levity for abuses of the kind you noted, so the religious persecutions you noted will not occur without a civil war or some other major internal political or military upheaval...and if that is what some here want - which wouldn't suprise me - then who is the real enemy in England? Or anywhere for that matter?

Now that we are here in the present, the flow of communication is such that dirty deeds can not be done with impunity by any governmental authority… accountability can be forced upon them…and I feel that this causes some people, like some here, to whine about “PCMC”… ...when actuality what they whine about is their lack of free reign to commit atrocities under the guise of “official acts."

Common decency and respect for human rights and individual freedom is institutionalized now in our laws and people are going to have to “get with the program” (OMG that read like an Obamism, didn’t it?) and just get along.

In closing I note that it is insane for someone to think that an exception to the rule is the rule, yet people here seem to revel in that form of insanity, don’t they?

You entire commentary seems to be based upon the false premise that Islam is somehow compatible with modern democracies and their concept of freedom of religion. The sole purpose of Islam is the destruction of infidel governments and the replacement of them with Sharia. Since those governments by definition cannot by law or by the purpose for which they were created agree to be themselves destroyed by some competing form of government that would render all of their laws and constitutions null and void. It will be interesting to see how they come to deal with the existential threat of Islam but whether it is by civil war as you suggest or peaceful recognition of the incompatibility of Islam with democracy and the exclusion of Islam from freedom of religion statutes and the gradual exclusion of Islam from Western democracies. Surely many shiftless Muslims would jump at the chance to accept a "buyout" whereby they are paid cash money to leave, to got to some Islamic country. Other plans would be used with forced expulsion being the last resort. Even though modern liberalism has greatly perverted all institutions in the West it remains to be seen if it is so bad that literally even the will to survive has been destroyed.

Or better yet use zoning rules to make sure that a raucous bar, BBQ joint, a strip club, adult store, even a church, any business or establishment that Muslims would dislike are located on either side of each and every so-called halal establishment.

It continues to amaze me how the muslim apologits who troll this site are blinded into believing that something this obvious is not a symbol of the downfall of Britain. Get real.

there...fixed it for ya...

islam is a lie and
Truth is killing it.

Of course we cannot stop there ThinkThrice.

Oxygen must soon become halal as well.

We Muslims demand Islamic purity.

Therefore, all infidels must become extinct.

I should have explained, for anyone not familiar with Hooters, it is a sports bar type place and they specialize in serving spicy chicken wings, but all the waitresses wear short shorts and tight tops. A Muslim version of Hooters is sort of inconceivable. Though I guess it is just a matter of time before some Muslim woman sues to work there all covered up in her trash bag.

www.hooters.com

As Bob and Doug McKenzie would say, "Beauteous"...or simply, "Beauty eh?" cracked me up...

I've been thinking about using the theme song for the old,"Mr.Ed" show...the talking horse? 'Member?...and use it for "irk the turks". "I caution you not to irk the Turks, for anyone irking the Turks are jerks..." kinda thing.
'pert near writes itself.

islam is a lie and
Truth is killing it.

The threat from the Islam politico-religious movement is of course different to that posed by the absolute monarchist/ Roman Catholicism adherents, but don't overstate the difference. There are many parallels but I won't labour the point - I'm not saying that it is a precise template.

What is important is that it illustrates that Britain did not flinch from doing what was necessary to nullify the threat, and the underlying nature of the British has not significantly changed from those times. The British are all too often seen as gentlemanly and conciliatory but make no mistake, you don't build an empire by being nice. Ask the Argentinians. As for muslim lying - both taqiyya (telling a lie) and kitman (deception by omission, telling part-truths) the British are masters of mendacity. We call it diplomacy.

The people of the UK are catching on to the threat (Anjem Choudary is helping) and will act quickly, by political standards, to put in place politicians who will do what they want. The UK political system is designed to be meta-stable. Relatively small changes in the pattern of voters' political allegiances will produce disproportionate changes in the balance of power between political parties.

A party can be cast into the wilderness and supplanted by a new rival over the course of only a few general elections - it has happened before in the Liberal collapse. In 1906 they won nearly 400 seats, but in 1918 after the wartime coalition hiatus they were split into two factions that together held 160 seats and by 1924 had 40 seats.

What I expect at this year's general election is that the UK voters will decide that it is "time for a change" and Cameron will get in without owing anything to muslim voters who will have voted Labour. Will the Conservatives want to ignore continuing high levels of immigration of muslim Labour supporters? I doubt it. Labour will spend a period out of office, long enough to dump Gordon Brown and replace him with David Milliband. Milliband has Jewish ancestry - won't the muslims like that.

What would sink us is any change to a form of proportional representation or transferable vote, which is on the Liberal Party wish list in case they gain leverage in a hung parliament but is a potential national disaster.

Islam will not be assimilated, but muslims will be - they will become non-practising religionists as are most British people. Various measures will sever the links with home village/clan and weaken community cohesion - throttle back on family/spouse unification, ban import of imams and teachers, restrict religious schools to weekends, educate young muslims and "de-programme" them, provide refuges for abused women and girls, support muslim LGBT's, cut student visas to a quota and then only at twenty best UK universities - no second rate courses, and of course plug the holes in the asylum/detention/repatriation system. If we are short of skills train asylum seekers (most will stay long term so why pretend) instead of allowing economic immigration. Your next curry chef will be from Somalia rather than Pakistan. So what?

The pub called Medina could be renamed Yathrib, or if you're not into pre-mohammedan names, how about Modena as in balsamic vinegar (Arabic doesn't use vowels).

Mecca, however has entered English as a word used in the general sense of "centre of attraction" rather than the destination for Hajjis.

Mecca is the usual English transliteration, while arabs generally use "Makkah" but inevitably will still object to "Mecca" when it suits.

There are Mecca Bingo Halls and online, Mecca Games (both gambling, more double calumnies!)

Oh, well I suppose we might just get by with Meccano, provided we don't buy it from Mecca Toys in Malta.

There could be a few gripes if you called a pub "Haram". The transliteration haram may be used for the word meaning "forbidden" as in haram (or haraam) applied to alcohol but is also used for "sacred" applied to a holy site or sanctuary such as that in Mecca around the Kaaba.

Write them and tell them why.

Simple. The strategy that will be most successful for the stealth jihadis is to keep quiet and non-confrontational(dare I say play doggo), and while assuming that our government remains sleepwalking to dhimmitude, the mohammedans can bide their time until demographics carries them into political power.

However, we can rely on their impatience - islam is after all a self-inflicted narcissistic personality disorder. The inflated collective ego of moslems will not permit them to remain silent, they will naturally want to strut their stuff being supremacist and vainglorious. They'll prematurely ejaculate (sorry, that should be expostulate)their foul islamo-fascist polemics and the English will start beating Drake's Drum.

PS. Shshsh! don't tell them about the anti-fertility drugs in the secret recipe of halal KFC. Nice one Colonel Sanders.

Its much the same in the UK which given the power of the animal welfare lobby is remarkable. However the government here claims that with 90% of halal slaughter the animal is stunned. During one anti-halal outcry the minister responsible has silenced the opposition saying "You have to make compromises in politics and getting 90% of what you want is a pretty good compromise".

I do not know how he arrived at the 90% but to claim that they witness and record every killing is ridiculous. Even if it were true I would require him to qualify it by saying "90% of LEGALLY killed halal meat...." Apart from known illegal slaughterhouses a colleague living in a muslim areas saw animals ceremonially killed in backyards, particularly at the end of eid.

Our government has been a wuss, and should have got the same exemption as Sweden.

Freshly cut from the website of the Internation Halal Integrity Alliance :=
http://www.ihialliance.org/news_detail.php?nid=104

Posted on 28 January 2010
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Meanwhile, the Swedish Veterinary Association and the Swedish agricultural minister Eskil Erlandsson, are concerned that Halal meat is making its way into Sweden. EU regulations allow for slaughter without stunning, and Sweden is the only one who got an exception. Eskil Erlandsson recommends that Swedish consumers should buy meat only from countries which stun their animals, and demand certification from the dealers.

Many Muslims and Jews accept meat from animals which were stunned prior to slaughter. Swedish-produced Halal meat fulfills the Swedish requirements.

Johan Beck-Friis of the Swedish Veterinary Association says this is not an issue of freedom of religion, but rather of animal welfare. Just as we do not accept female genital mutilation or corporal punishments, there is no reason to accept animals suffering in a manner contrary to Swedish law. They demand clear labeling of whether an animal was stunned before slaughter.

He says that in September EU veterinary experts and ministers met in the basement of a Brussels slaughterhouse. There he saw that the cattle were being slaughtered without stunning, to be sold as Halal meat. The slaughterhouse foreman said that 100% of the sheep and many of the cows – probably all – were slaughtered in such a way. All this while the EU politicians were discussing animal welfare a floor below them. Johan Beck-Friis says he’s not surprised that Swedish importers don’t check their meat, since he doesn’t think they have any ambition to do so.
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If the precise wording pf the EU regulation is that Kosher and Halaal slaughter "is for religious reasons" and only for religious reasons, then if the meat outlet supplies such a product to me as a non-moslem, then the slaughter would have been illegal because it was incontestably NOT done for religious reasons.

John,
That is not the way to address someone who is here only to provoke. You gave him that what he came here for. Can't you see?
In the future just ignore that rat that crawled up from izzlum sewer.

Hello John,

I know how you feel, not respecting English values, not integrating, wanting sharia, taking control over aboittors, loving our white women and not allowiing us to touch theirs etc.

This I believe is summarised in your PIGS statement. Note however that they abhor and hate pigs, thus it is not an appropriate statment to make.

Would you like to rephrase it - really go for it brother.

Alex

BOZO BARCODE JUST MADE A FUNNY!!!!!!!!

"The muslims on the otherhand have stable homes with rosy sibling stability, loving parents who are there for them. They have a stable social order & support, go to the local mosque, clebrate the festivals and learn the rules of Islam even if by rote.

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BARCODE BOZO IS EVEN FUNNIER THAN YOM AL JUMA!!!!!

Note the sarcasm:

"learn the rules of Islam even if by rote"

RULES LEARNED BY ROTE~~~~

lol!

The English have a pretty horrid violent and malevolent history, like most soi-disant "civilised" countries. They spend centuries cynically forging alliances in Europe against whoever is the current front runner in the power stakes. English foreign policy was to stop any one country in mainland Europe from becoming too powerful. Empires were not built by Mr. Nice Guy.

Being of mixed immigrant (non Anglo-Saxon) stock I don't feel any inherited guilt about English history nor any need to rush around compensating the victims. I feel no compunction in discussing it freely, but you should try to get it right, OK?

The Highland way of life was destroyed by the Highland Clearances. This was done in the 18th and 19th centuries, after the union of England and Scotland, by SCOTS noblemen (their own clan chiefs), who as absent landlords wanting to live it up at the royal court in London decided to "improve" their estates by putting their land to a more profitable use (for them), i.e. sheep farming for wool, rather than subsistence farming by their fellow Scots tenant framers.

The parliament in London did not intervene to protect the tenants, and would have been gratified to see the predominantly Catholic clans broken up. The highland clansmen had twice risen in support of Stewart claimants to the throne against the protestant Dutch and German rulers installed after the "Glorious Revolution"

The tenants were forced off mostly to small (below subsistence) coastal crofts, and generally scraped a living by a bit of farming that they had to supplement with a bit of fishiong and with day labour for the landlord, peat digging or seaweed gathering.

Many were obliged by poverty to join the army, to emigrate to Nova Scotia or another North American colony, or to join the infantry of the industrial revolution heading for the coal mines, iron works, shipyards and mills of the Scottish Lowlands and northern England.

The Welsh and Irish relations to England and the Scots relations to Ireland, are much too complex to address here. Suffice it to say that England isn't covered in glory.

Don't get burnt up by know-nothing commentators taking about Israel. They just lap up British political posturing intended to momentarily assuage the latest tantrum of the arabs. It means nothing in substance and Israel knows it.

Back to halal/kosher. No one objects to anyone opening a new food outlet selling this sort of thing, apart from those with reservations about whether it is consistently a humane method of slaughter. In fact in this recession we have quite a few blank shopfronts in our high streets.

A lot of non-moslems resort to fast food like KFC when they are drunk (you could say they'd have to be drunk to buy it) and are thus in no condition to drive to another franchisee in the chain. To them personally it is removing a service. Me? like a lot of customers I have bought KFC, only once. Am I being elitist?

"Islam will not be assimilated, but muslims will be - they will become non-practising religionists as are most British people. Various measures will sever the links with home village/clan and weaken community cohesion - throttle back on family/spouse unification, ban import of imams and teachers, restrict religious schools to weekends, educate young muslims and "de-programme" them, provide refuges for abused women and girls, support muslim LGBT's, cut student visas to a quota and then only at twenty best UK universities - no second rate courses, and of course plug the holes in the asylum/detention/repatriation system. If we are short of skills train asylum seekers (most will stay long term so why pretend) instead of allowing economic immigration. Your next curry chef will be from Somalia rather than Pakistan. So what?"

Dream on. You can't name a single place except for Spain which survived Islam. But you are so full of British pride (and trust me I believe that there is much to be proud of) and modern liberal delusion (in multiculturalism and secularism) that you think England will somehow do what no other civilization has done in the past 1400 years. Some of the greatest civilizations the world has ever known have been reduced to decrepit states of disarray by Islam, but Britain (and actually many believe America as well) are so great, so wonderful, so modern, so tolerant, so enlightened, that THEY in all their unspeakable greatness are going to be the first civilizations in history of the world to survive with Islam/Muslims and not ultimately succumb to the intractable and retrograde force of Islam. Good luck with that! Your descendants will curse you for believing that when they are living under Islam.

Yes, what could be more insane, what could possibly condemn the modern liberal (both conservatives and liberals) more than the fact that Spain, the place which having after centuries of bitter fighting finally rid itself of the Muslim menace, provided Columbus whose adventures would later lead to the creation of the greatest civilization the world has known, America, now allowing Islam back in, with open arms, begging for their civilization to be destroyed by what so many prior generations fought so bitterly to defend against. Insane doesn't even come close to describing the modern liberal beliefs with regard to Islam. There is a delusion that has sunk all the way into the very soul of these people. They have no identity. They are merely organic entities emoting. What a tragedy.

Where do you get that Vampire Jack, Nostradamus? Don't take any trips to Saudi Arabia, it isn't healthy for magicians/prognosticators/soothsayers/oracles as they've just banged a Lebanese sagtellite broadcaster up to face a death sentence for witchcraft and he was only doing horoscopes. I'm getting a bit worried about

Britain and France on the same side? We'd have to buy some ice skates for Satan. When Britain and France were last in the same theatre of war, I think it was Desert Storm, the Americans had to put them at opposite ends of the battlefield. Those Frenchies find the "rosbifs" an abomination. Agincourt, Oran - need I go on?

Apart from military co-operation, as to joint Franco-British displomacy - it produces such gems as the secret Sykes-Picot Agreement of 1916 that carved up the arab territories to be taken from the Ottoman Turks into British and French spheres of influence with the assent of Russia who were to gain territory and influence elsewhere at Turkish expense. This agreement was eventually implemented as mandates from the League of Nations. Hence divisions into Palestine (eventually independent Israel, Egyptian Gaza and Jordanian West Bank), Lebanon, Syria, Transjordan, Iraq and Kuwait. What a mess.

Woops, sorry. To complete my previous post, I meant to say that I am getting a bit worried about our muslim friends on this site. They could be arrested for black magic - they have been making all sorts of predictions of the future of the muslim umma in Britain Isn't that shirk ?

I notice that the death sentence on Ali Hussain Sibat was confirmed last Friday. However today's news is that he's copped a plea and the death sentence is off the table after he confessed to black magic including acts of sorcery to separate married couples for a fee. He was found in possession of “talismans and herbal medicines used as magic materials. Sounds like the reverse of a love potion. He'll have to go through a repentence process and corporal punishment (apparently this usually involves being incarcerated and periodically taken out for a few lashes).

http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/index.cfm?method=home.regcon&contentID=2010012761490

All complaints to :
http://everything2.com/title/Go+stick+your+head+in+a+pig

Matthew 15:11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

So the pious Muslims have it exactly backwards. They are obsessed with what goes into the mouth even though that doesn't really matter while they defile themselves repeatedly by the vile verses of the Koran which they repeat cursing the Jews, Christians and other infidels.

I've no great belief in an imaginary friend, but here goes:

The Christian Old Testament, in its various versions for different churches) and the Jewish Bible are all approximately the same but there has been some reshuffling.

A typical Christian view, except for fundamentalists, is for example the Roman Catholic view that the Old Testment is to be taken literally except where it has to be taken allegoricaly. according to St Augustine's rule.

The OT is a sort of historical primer for the NT. Now go and study exactly which OT passages are quoted by Jesus during his preaching according to the NT.

Christians in Western Europe prior to the Reformation didn't follow the Bible too assiduously. After all for centuries there was usually only one person in the village who could read and that was the priest. Translation from Latin to the vernacular languages only happened with the Reformation. By then literacy was slightly more widespread.

Protestant churches were the ones for Bible study. Catholic churches preferred sacerdotalism, in which the faithful are guided by the priest to particular excerpts. Can't have DIY religion and it wouldn't do to have a dutiful flock being able to criticize the priest would it?

"I've no great belief in an imaginary friend, but here goes"

The unbelievers are always the most expert. But seriously, whenever the discussion reverts back to Christianity people are missing the point. The problem is Islam and nothing about Christianity or any other religion has any bearing or applicability to dealing with the problem of Islam. You might was well bring up crochet techniques or growing orchids.

As to your imaginary friend, trust me, he isn't your friend. You should fear him. If you don't, you are a fool. When you do find that fear it will be the beginning of your knowledge.

Proverbs 1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

Wasn't Columus supposed to be a Genoan, or a Jew (historians' opinions differ)? His voyage was financed by those Spanish Venture Capitalist Isabella of Castile.

The reason for the voyage was to find a new route to the Spice Islands (East Indes) and to Cathay for silks.

The moslem Turks were now in charge of the Eastern Med, Byzantium having fallen. They were making access to trade ports at the western end of caravan routes difficult, dangerous and expensive.

To avoid the Turks, Columbus sailed west. He knew the world was roundish and had access to charts showing some features of the Americas. You could say that the muslim interference in trade was the first link in a chain of events leading to Western European interest in the Americas and eventually to the creation of USA their "Great Satan". That must piss them off.

Complaints to :
http://everything2.com/title/Go+stick+your+head+in+a+pig

The Muslims controlling the Mediterranean with their Islamic Jihad piracy is what cut Europe off from the rest of the world causing what is now known as the Dark Ages, but in truth Europe continued to develop and as we now see greatly outpaced all developments in the so-called Islamic world. Even inventions such as the clock were rejected by the Muslims for centuries as they already knew how to count time by their idiotic five daily prayers.

Yankel,

I think Barcode is Yom al Delusional. Note the increasingly irrational tone, and surreal statements ("The muslims on the otherhand have stable homes with rosy sibling stability, loving parents who are there for them." and he then goes on to mention honour killings in the very next paragraph. The cognitive dissonance is breathtaking...and utterly muslim).

Note also the sick fantasy that non-muslim women will turn in droves to pencil-dick muzzies ("white women will turn to muslim men, AND THEN WILL START to BREED BABIES"). That was always one of Yommie's favourite themes.

Getting back on topic, my local KFC is one of those that's gone halal. Needless to say I won't be eating there anymore (or in any other KFC until they row back from dhimmitude). Wonder if I can get any local animal rights group on to this? Though the problem there is that most 'committed' animal rights activists are also raving lefties who'll turn a blind eye to anything muslims do.

"But bringing more Non-Muslims into the world? Which is so overcrowded already? Whom we all want to have a peaceful, prosperous, happy life? No, please, children need a certain ratio of caring tax-paying adults around them and too many children really means less quality upbringing per child and a bigger burden on society."

Actually that is an incorrect believe of the modern liberal West. The trend toward smaller families is not good. If the society was healthy then people would be able to have large families. This would require woman staying home to raise the kids since no one can afford daycare for so many children. Woman at home would mean larger salaries for men working so they could support those families. Mothers raising children would mean better adjusted kids. More family involvement, less Nintendo and other expensive pastimes would be more economical. Clearly, books could be written about this subject. But the bottom line is smaller families is killing the West in a myriad of ways. Think of prior generations, how many poor kids from big families where they wore hand-me-downs grew up to be great leaders in society. The smaller family lavishing all their helicopter efforts on one child does not result in a better person when the child is grown and that affects the entire society.

al-Kidya wrote:

I think what may be needed is one or two TV advertisements showing an actual "halal" slaughter.
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I agree. I'm sure most Brits have no idea.

Aardvark wrote:

As some posters above have pointed out, halal slaughter involves bleeding the animal to death without it being stunned. The FAWC (Farm Animal Welfare Council) reported that some animals can take several minutes to die, in great pain throughout.

This method of slaughter is actually not legal under British law...
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More special exceptions for Muslims.

Fred Mk wrote:

Its much the same in the UK which given the power of the animal welfare lobby is remarkable. However the government here claims that with 90% of halal slaughter the animal is stunned.
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The government is lying. One of the main points of Halal slaughter is that the animal must be fully conscious while being slaughtered.

Here's a picture of the bloody slaughter:

http://www.7dvt.com/files/food-butcher1.jpg

The odious "Mr Barcode" wrote:

When men do try to retake control, women become unfortunate victims like AlaskanInfidel's sister with brutal injuries.
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"Mr Barcode" is here blaming the near fatal attack on Alaskan Infidel's sister by her thankfully now former husband on *the victim*.

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The muslims on the otherhand have stable homes with rosy sibling stability, loving parents who are there for them. They have a stable social order & support, go to the local mosque, clebrate the festivals and learn the rules of Islam even if by rote.

Even where families break and an unfortunate honor killing may happen, the whole community knows where the problem lies and other familes know not to makes these mistakes with their girls, thus they become closer to Islam and keep going.
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This is beyond ugly. Again, "honor killings" are no more than "unfortunate", and are entirely the fault of the victim and any possible laxity on the part of the family.

The fact that Islam fully condones the barbarity of murdering what should be your own loved ones is apparently fine with "Mr Barcode", because such murderous violence brings its practitioners "closer to Islam".

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Contrary to "muslims do nothing" philsophy peddled here, muslims are busy buying into franchises like KFC and Burger King PFC etc and opening their own.
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There is no indication that this KFC franchise is owned or operated by Muslims—likely it is run by Infidels, who went Halal to garner more business in what has become an area with a large Muslim population.

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This will lead to a generation of white muslims and our daughters who gave birth to them learning to love these children as muslim mothers love theirs.
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The "love" of Muslim mothers seems to run to a fervent desire to see their sons blow themselves up as "Shaheeds", and to join in the "honor killing" of their daughters if Islam calls for it.

This, from a typical British bloke named Alex (apparently), who just has a passing interest in Islam, because the nice Muslimahs on the registers may have mentioned a thing or two about their faith...

And yet, here he is, inexplicably crowing, exhibiting a sort of Muslim supremacism that is difficult to understand in a supposedly Infidel Briton...

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We all know this our children's futures, have the odd moan indeed, but lets start integrating and getting our children to learn about Islam, making their lives more secure.
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Just a little friendly stealth Jihad from "Mr Barcode"—surrender now, and you may be somewhat more "secure" from Muslim violence than your less dhimmified British neighbors.

It was revealed in the New Testament (note that the Old Testament was before Jesus walked the earth) that eating all forms of meat was OK. As long as when you are eating with our brothers we did not cause them to stumble in their faith with Christ. As they are not practicing a faith in Christ...I don't know what they are doing.

I would suggest they go elsewhere for their food. Rather than force everyone else to change.

You talk about an Old Testament style god that wants you to fear. To propogate fear is primitive behaviour. I'm not impressed. It is an attempt to control other people's behaviour in the same way as internet chatroom "grooming" or cult indoctrination. Perhaps you should question your morality in the context of your own behaviour.

The book of Proverbs is in the New Testament. It is merely pointing out a simple fact, (to the extent that someone acknowledges that there is a God who created everything including man) one would have to be a fool, and that is putting it lightly, to not fear God. People think that on Judgment Day they are going to stand there all smart-ass and wave their finger at God, sorry, ain't gonna happen that way. Swallow your pride, know your place, fear God, it will do you good. Don't go through life believing the silly modern liberal notion that God is like some sort of grandfatherly warm and fuzzy guy handing out cookies and that in the end everyone will be accepted no matter how they lived their life or what they did while they were alive. God is not vengeful and evil like Allah of the Koran, but he should be feared and respected.

My error, Proverbs is in the Old Testament, but your point remains meaningless. The God of the Old Testament is the SAME as that of the New Testament. Do people seriously believe that the God of the Old Testament died and that people just made up a new God for the New Testament?

janeabrahm

you are totally ignorant of the way in which Christianity is related to Judaism.

Jesus is Jewish and observed the Jewish ritual law as well as the moral law.

However: his first followers, who were all Jewish (among them was one of his brothers), decided very early on (just read the book of Acts, in the New Testament, and the letters of Paul/ Saul, also in the New Testament) that *non-Jewish* followers of Jesus - Gentile Christians - *did not have to become Jews* in order to be accepted as part of the community of believers in Jesus.

They did not have to keep kosher (that is, they did not have to stop eating pork); the most that the first Christian meeting, in Jerusalem, decided to advise their new Gentile brethren to do, re food, was to "refrain from eating things strangled, and from blood". And that's all. (Even the ban on blood was, in later times, deemed non-binding; Scots Presbyterians have no qualms about eating haggis, and English Christians don't consider black pudding a problem).

You Muslims slavishly - and ridiculously - follow every detail of Mohammed's dress, toileting habits, etc.

For Christians, to imitate Jesus Christ does not mean we have to *dress* like Jesus the first century Jew, nor eat the foods that he ate and eat them in the same way, nor go to the toilet in the same way as he did; it means instead that we are called to love God our Heavenly Father with all our heart and soul and mind and strength, and our neighbour as ourselves. And that energy of love, that charity, comes to us from... Jesus the Jew.

Look at Haiti. To see the inmost heart and meaning of Judaism, look at the Israeli field hospital, and the ZAKA volunteers caring for the wounded and the dead, pulling people out from under rubble, affirming the holiness of human life, the dignity and value of every human being. And, right alongside the Jews in Haiti, that same love of the same loving Father God, YHWH, was manifest in the acts of charity performed by all the Christians who went in to save and heal and help, right alongside the Jews.

You've got a bad case of theophobia there. Your doctor may perhaps advise a bit of cognitive-behavioural therapy.

It will be taken further. In Jakarta, the capital city of Indonesia, and surrounding cities they are building gated communities exclusively for moslems.

Apartheit ? Imagine the furore if anyone proposed a new "Christian" themed suburb of Detroit, with a church provided by the developer and property deeds containing covenants restricting future sale or rental to Christian families ?

Bogor, one of the cities near Jakarta (and before anyone asks, Bogor is not in Middle Earth), is by stages becoming a halaal city - already they have banned the slaughter of pigs and pig farming within the city limits.

http://www.indonesiamatters.com/5547/gated-communities-halal-cities/

Also remember what happened last spring in Egypt where the authorities siezed upon the mere possibility of an outbreak of swine flu as an excuse to confiscate, slaughter and burn the carcases of all the pigs in Egypt. Many of the pigs culled in Cairo were owned by the poor Coptic Christian garbage pickers. Now they have reaped the reward of having piles of stinking garbage accumulating in the streets.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2009902787_egyptgarbage20.html

Joke all you want, every knee will bow.

I love God, it is no phobia. Are you not capable of even comprehending loving someone that you also fear? Are you such a weak soul that the only "imaginary friend" you can consider is like a little grandmother handing out cookies? It is you who needs therapy, and you need to grow a pair.

But you are right, to the perverted modern liberal secularist, they would prefer to have some quack doctor prescribe them drugs to deaden whatever pangs of conscience or feelings that God is trying to communicate with them they might be feeling.

It is your right to love and fear and worship with bended knee or lifted arse, any gods or godesses that you choose. You can ask other people to join you. Trying to scare anyone into following what you deem to be the true path, whether by threats of bad things happening in an afterlife or otherwise, is in essence the same intimidatory totalitarian crap as that spouted by the islamo-fascists.

I love the smell of fire and brimstone in the morning.