This trend, of course, is nothing new. "Muslim gangs imposing sharia law in British prisons," by Andrew Gilligan for the Telegraph, March 15:
Non-Muslim inmates at the high-security Long Lartin jail have been forced by the gangs to stop playing "Western" music and take down pictures of women from their cells, according to one former prison officer there. Prisoners at the jail, although allowed to cook their own food, are not allowed to prepare pork for fear of offending the Muslim inmates, the officer said.
The officer, speaking to Radio Five Live's Donal Macintyre show, told how younger prisoners were targeted for forced conversion to Islam by the gangs. "They went along because they were intimidated. They genuinely weren't of the Muslim faith," she said. "I knew one lad quite well, who was approached by the radical Muslims and he changed. He was being controlled and bossed around and he wasn't even allowed to look at me or speak to me.
"He just seemed very frightened all the time. He used to be forced to pray at certain times and he was even forced to grow a long beard even though he didn't want to."
One Catholic prisoner who refused to convert was seriously assaulted after being repeatedly threatened by the gang, the officer said. "He said every so often they would come to his cell and hold the Koran up through the small window in the cell door and start running their fingers along their throats," she said.
The officer's testimony is consistent with findings by the official prison watchdog, the chief inspector of prisons. In a report last year, the inspector, Anne Owers, quoted a number of prisoners at Long Lartin about the increasing dominance of Muslim gangs in the jail.
Long Lartin was, said one, "turning into an American-style jail, [where] if you are not in a gang, you're in trouble. People are converting to Islam for protection."
Another said: "There is a gang culture here, which is an issue. There are issues with Muslim gangs wanting to overpower others. A lot of people are becoming Muslim just because it is a bigger gang."
Ms Owers says there is a similar gang culture in at least three other high-security prisons, Whitemoor in Cambridgeshire, Belmarsh in south-east London and Full Sutton in North Yorkshire. Some of the gang leaders are terrorist prisoners but most are in for ordinary offences.
Two Muslim former prisoners claimed in the BBC programme that Muslims "run" some London jails and describe how they watched al-Qaeda videos in their cells, brought in by corrupt prison officers. They also detail further bullying and abuse of prisoners who refused to convert to Islam and said that in one London jail, prisoners who wanted to play music had their stereos smashed. They said that the official prison imams appointed by the Home Office were largely ineffective and not respected by Muslim prisoners.
Malcolm Moss, national chair of the Prison Officers' Association, said: "We are seeing more and more Muslim gangs in our prisons. Often Muslims who go to prison are forced into gangs for their own protection. And that culture takes over a wing, takes over an area of the prison. We see it as a real danger, now and for the future of prisons."
Mr Moss called for more Muslim prison officers to be recruited as part of an urgent effort to "face up" to the gangs.
Why can't the current prison staff "face up" to the gangs? Who is in control in the prison?
A spokesman for the Ministry of Justice said: "It is ridiculous to suggest that any gang 'controls' a prison. The Prison Service has a wealth of experience in dealing with gang activity and managing prisoners who form gangs. Expert staff identify, challenge and disrupt those prisoners attempting to bully, influence or intimidate others. We have long established strategies to address gang behaviour, and to counter bullying, combat illicit mobile phones and tackle drugs."
If you've got the strategies... use them.
The spokesman said there was "no evidence" that al-Qaeda videos had been watched and insisted that bacon was not banned.
This is what we get when we don't give the very violent a long drop and a short tow. It's also the end result of a humanitarian worldview that sees incarceration as "penitence" rather than paying off a debt to society.
Our chief need on both sides of the Atlantic is to remove about 75% of the people sitting on judges' benches and replace them with a somewhat more hardheaded bunch. Also, we need to re-instate the death penalty for murder.
Sadly the prison authorities will do nothing about this. They may well have strategies for dealing with gang activity but they won't employ them in these instances for fear of the inevitable squeals of "islamophobia".
I hope I'm wrong, but I fear I'm right - look at the outright denial of the problem by the Ministry of Justice (the most Orwellian-sounding government body created since the sheeple allowed ZaNu Labour to seize control of this once great nation).
Andrew Gilligan is rising in my estimation in leaps and bounds. He is one of only a handful of British journalists who get it on islam. The only problem, in my view, is that he thinks there is a moderate islam that we can deal with. I think all islam is the same.
Read more of his blogs here:
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/andrewgilligan/100029915/islamists-in-power-key-council-sympathiser-under-pressure/
I have a "modest proposal".
Deportation.
tanstaafl:
Actually executions for the ring leaders followed by permanent solitary confinement for the enforcers for the would be a much more effective way. Since there's an aversion to the death penalty in Europe, I favour permenant solitary confinement for the leaders of the gangs and any perpetrators of violence against other prisoners.
By permanent solitary confinement, I advocate total isolation from any human contact.Once the prision islamists realize that this santion has real teeth and will be applied vigourously without remorse, they'll really calm down because deep down they fear people who stand up to them and apply violence towards them.
Also, you can prretty much that they anticipate they riot. Fine when they do, hang the ringleaders as an example; they get the message.
xavier
Depends how many wardens are Mohammedans. Depends how many 'Islamic prison chaplains' go in and out of the prisons, who "know where the members of the security personnel lives."
They also know where their children go to school, and that might make the necessary impression....
I wonder if any of these prisoners understand that Islam is a prison from which there is no escape. And it's a life sentence.
From BBC:
"Muslims represent 12% (9,795) of the prison population in England and Wales, according to the latest available figures from 2008. This has risen by 50% over five years.
MUSLIM PRISONER POPULATION
2008: 9,795 (12% of total prison population in England and Wales)
2007: 8,864 (11%)
2006: 8,243 (11%)
2005: 7,246 (10%)
2004: 6,571 (9%)
2003: 6,136 (8%)
Source: Ministry of Justice
In 2008, Muslim prisoners accounted for a third (34%) of prisoners in HMP Whitemoor, in March, Cambridgeshire, and about a quarter (24%) of inmates in HMP Long Lartin, in Evesham, Worcestershire."
It should be noted that Muslims make only about 3% of the total population.
More on this story (including video interview) here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8558590.stm
One Catholic prisoner who refused to convert was seriously assaulted after being repeatedly threatened by the gang, the officer said. "He said every so often they would come to his cell and hold the Koran up through the small window in the cell door and start running their fingers along their throats," she said.
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Obviously, these devout Muslims have never heard that "there is no compulsion in religion".
more:
Long Lartin was, said one, "turning into an American-style jail, [where] if you are not in a gang, you're in trouble. People are converting to Islam for protection."
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This is has nothing to do with "American-style" gang culture, and everything to do with "Muslim-style" intimidation. Converting—or submitting to humiliating strictures—in exchange for "protection" from Muslims not only predates "American-style" gang culture, but predates America itself.
more:
Prisoners at the jail, although allowed to cook their own food, are not allowed to prepare pork for fear of offending the Muslim inmates, the officer said.
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I'm a vegetarian—were I in jail, would there be a ban on preparing pork because it might "offend" me? Of course not, nor should there be.
more:
The spokesman said there was "no evidence" that al-Qaeda videos had been watched and insisted that bacon was not banned.
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"Bacon was not banned"—maybe not officially—but if inmates *and staff* are too afraid to allow it, then it matters not one whit if it is officially "not banned".
more:
Mr Moss called for more Muslim prison officers to be recruited as part of an urgent effort to "face up" to the gangs.
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Mr. Moss is an ass. If you want to *solidify* Muslims' control of the jails, you will take this tack.
"Mr Moss called for more Muslim prison officers to be recruited as part of an urgent effort to "face up" to the gangs."
More Muslim prison officers who, in sharing the very same 'complete way of life' as those most troublesome prisoners themselves, will likely facilitate more of the same.
Let us not forget that in the earliest days of the belief system, back when Mohammed and his Companions were in operation, Islam was nothing more than an organized crime gang.
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This is a reasonable statement, they ran a protection racket, carried out armed robberies, the works. Had Mohammed and his Companions been alive today, they surely would be under the watch of an organized crime task force of some kind.
Slightly OT:
Pamela Geller wrote in Human Events this morning: "Beck didn’t say Wilders should go to jail, but what he did say was so bad, he could just as well have done so. This is not just about Geert Wilders. It is about our very way of life, our civilization and our unalienable rights.
Beck is out of his depth in this....he is wrong. And he ought to be silent until he learns the facts about what is going on in Europe....."
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=36029
Geller: Wilders also said this at the House of Lords:
"Ladies and gentlemen, make no mistake: The left is facilitating islamization. Leftists, liberals, are cheering for every new shariah bank being created, for every new shariah mortgage, for every new islamic school, for every new shariah court. Leftists consider Islam as being equal to our own culture. Shariah law or democracy? Islam or freedom? It doesn’t really matter to them. But it does matter to us. The entire leftist elite is guilty of practising cultural relativism. Universities, churches, trade unions, the media, politicians. They are all betraying our hard-won liberties."
Should we now also add Glenn Beck to that list?
Beck could destroy the freedom movement in Europe -- and the United States -- if he erroneously stigmatizes it as fascist. He should know better. He is doing what the left-wing media did to the tea parties: labeling them fascists and racists with impunity.....
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=36029
"Malcolm Moss, national chair of the Prison Officers' Association, said: "We are seeing more and more Muslim gangs in our prisons. Often Muslims who go to prison are forced into gangs for their own protection. And that culture takes over a wing, takes over an area of the prison. We see it as a real danger, now and for the future of prisons." -- from the article above
Notice how Malcolm Moss, though he is one of those not denying the problem of the takeover of British prisons by Muslim prisoners, can't quite state head-on what the real matter is.
For example, these Muslims who take over in prisons constitute a "real danger" -- but not just, as Moss states, "now and for the future of prisons." They constitute a danger not just for the prisons, but much more importantly, for all of society. After all, eventually the prisoners are released. And those who were Muslim but perhaps did not take Islam quite to heart, have in prison had a chance to take it quite to heart. And what is worse is that people who entered prison as non-Muslims may come out, having accepted Islam, gone along with Islam, originally in order to avoid being treated brutally by Muslim fellow prisoners, may in fact become True Believers – often what begins as an act of protective coloration ends up transforming the person who started out thinking he was merely making a temporary compromise in order to stay alive – and that means they will emerge as Muslims. And for society that means ever-more Muslims, and in this particular case, ever more Muslims who were, even before their forced prison conversions, are already hardened criminals, and who have now accepted an ideology, Islam, that justifies, that supports, that even promotes, their taking of Infidel property, their rape of non-Muslim women(who “have it coming to them”), their general violence and hatred of the authorities, and the authority, of the illegitimate, in their eyes, because non-Muslim, state. Compare how differently they would behave had they, in prison, accepted Christ, took the Gospel seriously, become born-again Christians. Which result is better for society?
But the Infidel nation-state and its authorities persist in pretending that Islam is just one more faith. They do not stop to study it, they refrain from doing so for fear of what they might find out. They don’t want to know.
Let’s read again the testimony of a former prison official:
"It is non-Muslim prisoners" who are being "forced into gangs for their own protection." The example given by a former prison officer was what was most frightening:
"They went along because they were intimidated. They genuinely weren't of the Muslim faith," she said. "I knew one lad quite well, who was approached by the radical Muslims and he changed. He was being controlled and bossed around and he wasn't even allowed to look at me or speak to me.
"He just seemed very frightened all the time. He used to be forced to pray at certain times and he was even forced to grow a long beard even though he didn't want to."
And here is what Malcolm Moss offers as a "solution" :
"Mr Moss called for more Muslim prison officers to be recruited as part of an urgent effort to "face up" to the gangs."
Here, you see, Moss suggests that the way to “face up” to the gangs is not for the authorities to “face up” to the natural attitudes and atmospherics of societies suffused with Islam – and if there are enough Muslims in a prison they can create, without being a majority, a society behind bars but“suffused with Islam.” No, he just wants to “face up” to the “gangs” as if they do not have the texts of Islam on their side, so that the “real Muslims” – presumably, those “Muslim prison officers” -- if they are of the "moderate" Muslim kind, i.e., getting paid by the government, and therefore likely not to wear their anti-Infidel attitudes on their sleeves – how many such cases of two-faced Muslim officers have there been revealed in the Metropolitan Police, in London, for example, over the past few years?), then somehow they will be able to deal with the situation.
But how? Malcolm Moss does not explain. Will they be able to quote from the Qur’an, Hadith, and Sira, or is it the more violent Muslim prisoners who have the texts, and the example of Muhammad, the Perfect Man, al-insan al-kamil, on their side? Does Malcolm Moss know? He would only know if he had looked into the matter – looked into it deeply, spent time reading, reading the texts, reading the great Western scholars of Islam (those who wrote before 1970, those who are not merely apologists for Islam as so many “experts” on Islam and on the Arab take– see John Esposito – are today)? Has he bothered to read just a few books, such as Ayaan Hirsi Ali’s “Infidel” and Nonie Darwish’s “Now They Call Me Infidel” and Wafa Sultan’s “The God That Hates” and Ibn Warraq’s “Why I Am Not A Muslim”? No? No time to do so? Busy, busy, busy, worrying about a Muslim takeover of many prisons, but too busy to read and really grasp the Muslim view of Infidels, and of the Infidel nation-states in which they, those Muslims, have been allowed to settle? Something is deeply wrong here.
How will those Muslim officers be able to deal with the situation. How? By quoting what verses of the Qur'an? Sura Nine? Any of the more than 100 Jihad verses? By quoting from the Hadith? Perhaps offering the example of Muhammad, so meek and mild? Will more Muslim officers actually work to prevent proselytizing by Muslims among non-Muslims? Does it make sense, is it credible, to believe that Muslim officers will actively intervene to prevent Muslim prisoners from attempting to spread Islam, by veiled or not-so-veiled threats of violence? If they are Muslims, they too believe that Islam, that Total Belief-System, is the answer to everything. Why, for god’s sake, would anyone believe that they would put a stop to Muslim prisoners from offering – making an offer that can’t be refused – the “gift of Islam” or , where necessary, forcing it upon the unwilling?
What does Malcolm Moss really know about Islam? Or does he now know a good deal, but is fearful of fully expressing, becomes the mental equivalent of tongue-tied, what he knows? His suggestion as to the solution -- hiring still more Muslims (my god, how many Muslims are now reaping the bonanza of being on the payroll of security services all over the Western world, and how many of them actually deliver, and how many in fact cannot be trusted, and are "part of the problem" as they attempt to influence their handlers, attempt to deflect attention from the scope, and real source, of the behavior of Muslims and their deep hostility -- to the extent that they take Islam seriously -- to non-Muslims, their laws, their authorities, their everything?
In the hopelessness of what Malcolm Moss, national chair of the Prison Officers' Association, suggests as a "solution" -- "hire more Muslim officers" -- he demonstrates that even those who recognize, at long last, that there is a problem don’t really grasp its nature, what it comes from. He thinks, or suggests, that it is a matter of “bad Muslims” who can be dealt with by “good Muslims,” the role of “good Muslims” being played by Muslim officers who will now be hired. Does he have any understanding of what more Muslim officers will do to the non-Muslim prisoners and their morale? Will they feel safer? Will they report incidents of Muslim bullying to those non-Muslim officers, or begin to feel that even the guards are now in on it? And what of the Muslim prisoners – will they feel that with Muslim guards they must now behave themselves, or will they feel, on the contrary, a sense of triumph, a sense that they are winning, a sense that still another vain concession has been made by the authorities of the Infidel nation-state that does not know what to do about them, because it refuses to confront, logically and soberly and sometimes even ruthlessly, the danger that grows and grows, in the prisons, and outside te prisons?
Hire “more Muslim officers”? Why, that’s like the British military being told it must hire more Muslims, must promote more Muslims. Why, what better way to show that you trust Muslims, that you have no fear of them so that they, in turn, will not be hostile to you, than by making them privy to the corridors of power, military and civilian? Why not train Muslim pilots, and make sure that they are entrusted with the task of flying planes all over the place – what better way to earn their trust, than to trust them? And to keep on, despite everything, trusting them and trusting them? Why not make Muslims part of the security details who guard nuclear weapons facilities? Why not ask Muslims to be present, to be part of “the team,” that will make plants to deal with “Muslim extremism” at home and abroad? Oh, about that last suggestion. It’s being tried right now, and has been for the last few years, all over Official Washington. In order to deal with the Muslim world, we ask advice from Vali Nasr (on Holbrooke’s staff), from Hisham Islam (on Secretary England’s staff in the Pentagon), find out about Islam from such people as Ingrid Mattson, or the Defenders of the Faith (Plausibly Moderate Division), such as young Rashad Hussain, and from dozens of others, “too numerous to mention.”
To appropriate a line recently made famous, how’s it working out?
Beck is out of his depth in this....he is wrong.
Isn't Glenn Beck the dipshit who said he read the Koran and found nothing in it that would incite violence?
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In addition to being wrong, he's egregious. But, on the other hand, he's making lotsa money right now. And that would be at our expense. O'Reilly, too.
Think of Edmund Burke.
Now think of Glenn Beck, "conservative."
Compare.
Contrast.
... can't quite state head-on what the real matter is.
There's been a lot of this going around lately.
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I just tried to the comparison test. Smoke started coming out of my ears and the hair on my back stood on end.
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O'Reilly, Beck, and Krauthammer are disappointing and dangerous. Until last week I thought that Krauthammer at least had dignity, but his performance was craven.
Perhaps the place where the counter-jihad resistance should try to begin, is with the Christian chaplains who work in the prisons. There must be some. There must be at least a few who are having to try to counsel and encourage prisoners like the Catholic prisoner mentioned above who - no matter what he was in jail for - had still sufficient courage, just enough, to refuse, up till now, to convert to Islam. A strange place to find a martyr for Christ - in a maximum security prison. That man needs help. He and the other non-Muslim prisoners, those who have up till now *refused* to become Muslim in the face of outright threats to their lives, need support and encouragement.
Find the chaplains, UK jihadwatchers. Try to contact and educate the chaplains, one by one. Point them to this website, and to the Barnabas Fund, to Mr Spencer's books and Canon Sookhdeo's. *They* need awakening; *they* need support, to speak up on behalf of the non-Muslim prisoners, and on behalf of those non-Muslim prison employees, wardens and such, who are being hamstrung.
And why not write to Malcolm Moss? If no-one tells him what is wrong with the idea of bringing *more* Muslims into the prisons, how will he know? Send him a copy of 'The Truth About Muhammad'; or even just a printout of 'Islam 101' from this website, with a brief covering letter. It's worth a try.
Here's an important key principle that most JihadWatchers don't get.
The very essence of Islam is primacy of brute force above reasoning and truth. This is exactly the same principle according to which live the authoritarians who control governments and so on. These "leaders" don't give a damn about truth or reason, they wouldn't know what truth was if it bit their noses off.
So firstly they don't care what the truth of Islam is, or even if there is any truth. (You'll find this with most Muslims too, they can't give a damn about the truth of their "religion" and think they have a right to be ignorant of it.)
And secondly, even if Islam was (as is) a murderous cult of fascist criminals, well so what, that makes it their very own sort of thing so they would support it rather than oppose it.
The supporters of Islamisation and multicliquery are not so much "left" as authoritarian fascists happy to see their sick dogmas and mentality forced on society.
It follows that there is little merit in trying to inform the "leaders" of the truth of Islam. We must concentrate on informing the people in general instead.
"Obviously, these devout Muslims have never heard that "there is no compulsion in religion."
Remember that's an abrogated Meccan verse. Ergo - Null and Void.
(And boy does that show).
Beck is out of his league talking about Geert Wilders, Sarah Palin and the Tea Partiers. These 2 individuals and the Tea Partiers, have more common sense then Beck ever thought about having.
Hmm- does not the Koran itself say"let there be no compulsion in religion." One wonders how the death penalty for deserting Islam will be enforced when people have been pressurized into "converting" to Islam???
Terry
Hmm-deosn't the Koran itself proclaim "let there be no compulsion in religion"? One wonders how the death penalty for"apostasy" will be enforced when people have evidently been coerced into "converting" to Islam???
Terry
Don't you just hate this scum?
Whatever they go, the result is the same: trouble.
Violent scum.
Interesting comment and people from Sri Lanka would seem to think the same,
He called a guy renting flats and having satisfied himself about everything he asked,
"Are there any muslims living there?"
"Well not at the moment but it would be illegal for me to refuse the"
"Some muslims are all right but I will not live with Pakistani muslims they are arrogant aggressive and cause trouble in the world wherever they go!"
"Obviously, these devout Muslims have never heard that "there is no compulsion in religion."
Remember that's an abrogated Meccan verse. Ergo - Null and Void.
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I know that, Darcy—perhaps I should have been clearer that I was tongue in cheek here.
Not, of course, that some well-meaning Infidels, having read that verse, will not be terribly confused by these "misunderstanders" of their own faith.