Today's New York Post has a cover story on the family of Jamie Paulin-Rodriguez filled with eye opening details about what her conversion meant for her son.
The 6-year-old son of a Colorado nursing student who ran off to Europe to join a terrorist murder cell was brainwashed into a hate-filled
Islamic fundamentalist zombie, his family said yesterday.
Among other statements from the boy's grandmother:
He said they taught him how to shoot a gun," Christine Mott said. "They taught him how to kick and fight . . . We're Democrats. We won't even
buy him a toy gun."
"We're Democrats. We won't even
buy him a toy gun."
And the brainwashing continues....
"We're Democrats. We won't even buy him a toy gun."
How's that working for you?
"We're the Taleban, we'll let the gullible kuffar give us money to buy real guns."
And the stupidity of the leaders of the Dar-ul Harb continues....
Maybe if they had taught the kid how to use a gun along with the difference between good and evil and how guns are good when used to confront evil he could have killed the terrorists and saved himself and his mother.
Well, this is horrifying, but not a surprise.
'Blond Ambition'?...
I wonder if this blond 'bombshell' realizes that not only did Allah not protect her, he set her up for failure...'Hows that Shahada working out for you'? She also is too blitzed out to realize that her son has been poisoned...Let Allah in the door and everything turns into one big mess...Hopefully her son is too young to realize just what he was being trained for, and can recover, but he needs to stay away from her...
"We're Democrats"! The lengths some people will go to prove their stupidity and ignorance.
"George Mott is himself a Muslim convert who speaks Arabic."
Her stepfather is also a convert. What's up with that?
People: You must read Leonard Pitts' PC column about Jihad Jane in today's "Miami Herald." Of course Islam has nothing to do with her actions! It's a brief column - please read!
http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/03/13/1527555_jihad-janes-adventures-in-colorblind.html?mi_pluck_action=comment_submitted&qwxq=6754391#Comments_Container
Your definition of 'bombshell' must be slightly different than mine. 'She' looks like a pre-op tranny to me.
If the stepfather is an Arabic speaking Muslim convert then clearly that affected this woman. So the grandmother brought this on herself and her family bringing Islam into the home. Unless the stepfather got involved after they were already married. She bears part of the responsibility for destroying the life of her daughter and grandson. Perhaps she could have divorced him and left with the kids to keep them safe. She might have hesitated to allow occult or devil worship materials into her home but she allowed Islam. If she was a Christian her pastor should have warned her about Islam the same way he warned her about other evil influences. But that tragically is not what people are taught in our enlightened liberal Age of the Moron.
From above...'She' looks like a pre-op tranny to me.
Ok...She's a well used bombshell...Jihad Jane has a similar worn out look...Sort of like the aging biker babe...
Now that the Irish Authorities have released her, I can't help wondering what her status is now.
Is she able to leave the country? What about her son in the jihadist camp(school) in Ireland?
Darcy:
Pitts article was a waste of good paper>
The PC Child Protective Services must be in a real quandary over this one. If she was some sort of "radical fundamentalist Christian" you can bet they would be fighting to get her child away from her. But in this case they will just say she is a loving caring Muslim who only wants to do what is best for her son just like any Muslim would, what are you some sort of racist bigot Islamophobe?!
This form of child molesting -- giving little three and four and five-year-olds tiny guns to hold, tiny suicide belts to wear, tiny scarves with blood-curdling Qur'anic inscriptions on them -- is standard stuff at Hezbollah rallies, and Hamas too, and you can find this kind of thing, with songs about suicide bombing and so forth, on "Palestinian" children's shows, the kind of thing that the Obama Administration apparently is unaware of, because the only "obstacle" to "peace" (or rather, negotiations toward a "peace treaty" _- i.e., one more Al-Hudaibiyyah agreement -- that it can find is on the side of Israel, that had the temerity -- can you believe it? -- to build some apartments in its capital. My, my.
"Pitts article was a waste of good paper"
Well, he's a raving Liberal. I've tried to do some edjumacating in the Comments.
Perhaps his mom had to teach him to shoot, kick and fight to defend himself against the amorous attentions of the bacha bazi brigade.
They're Democrats (the first mistake), the stepfather is a convert to Islam, his stepdaughter has become a jihadist, the boy is being brainwashed and guns, even toy ones, have traditionally been verbotten among them. Oh yeah, this is one very confused family. Perhaps they'll get their own reality show since we live in the age where life imitates weirdness.
STAND BESIDE HER AND GUIDE HER!
IS MORE IMPORTANT NOW THAN EVER!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnQDW-NMaRs
Maybe if they had taught the kid how to use a gun along with the difference between good and evil and how guns are good when used to confront evil he could have killed the terrorists and saved himself and his mother.
Sorry, but this sentimentalism about women and children is going to get us killed.
a) the boy was being taught about the difference bewteen good and evil -- Islamic good vs. Infidel evil.
b) Even if by some miracle the boy could have recovered his unbrainwashed wits, I agree: he could have have killed the terrorists. And guess what: His mother was one of the terrorists! Save his mother? Are you nuts?
That said, I would rather the kid wounded his mother with a shot to the leg, then duct-taped her to a pipe and called the police. But circumstances aren't always that clean and simple.
"Israel, that had the temerity -- can you believe it? -- to build some apartments in its capital. My, my."
On Meet the Press this morning, Tom Brokaw interviewed Brooks and Friedman during the Roundtable segment, and they discussed Biden's trip to Israel -- perhaps you watched it.
Friedman came down really hard on Israel, when he just as easily could have, and SHOULD have, IMO, supported Israel as a sovereign nation in an effort to tone down Biden's harsh reaction to the housing ministries announcement. Biden is such a hot head, so it's no surprise to me that he didn't think before speaking by publicly condemning Israel.
Anyway, I found the entire Roundtable segment very one-sided, and they completely threw Israel under the bus -- only adding more fuel to the fire of hatred towards Israel in the ME. They even threw in some of Hillary Clinton's helpful comments, too. Yeah helpful in a hurtful way. Thanks, Hillary.
Obama has surrounded himself with a bunch of one-sided hot heads that don't think before speaking, along with the media playing in concert to their one-sided tune. Hmp ..their combined approach towards Israel is unfair, irritating, and backwards as hell! As it appears to me right now, Israel is standing alone against her enemies. Boy I hope I'm wrong.
Champ:
What do you expect from our Muslim President ObamaRamadan?
Maybe he should give toy guns to the Roundtable..
True, LouManati ...Obumber is a muslim who's trying REALLY hard not to blow his cover (thought I was going to say blow himself up, didn't you? he he); but discerning folks like yourself know better. Yeah it comes as no surprise that Obumber would surround himself with a bunch of thugs 'n haters like himself -- whom are just like the evil prophet that BO secretly serves. Nope, it's no surprise at all.
I don't know, I was just reacting to the idea that they didn't even give him a toy gun. I was suggesting that he could have learned about guns from hunting. It is not likely that he would have been able to shoot his way out of there but at least he would have been in some sort of position of knowing the proper use of guns and that that didn't involve shooting infidels. And if he was well grounded in good vs. evil (in reality not as the Muslims teach it) then he would be better able to resist their teachings. It is tragic that his first exposure to guns was from a bunch of freaky Muslims.
ThinkThrice, it was your suggestion that the boy save his mother that I balked at. His mother is a fanatical monster who wants to murder people. When your mother's a terrorist, it's time to cut the cord.
I almost never watch those programs. But I'm not surprised at that total ass Tom Friedman. His very expression radiates dumbness. And of course he has never thought it necessary to begin to understand the war waged against Israel -- a Jihad, and nothing but a Jihad -- and he is very foggy on all those details of history that matter. I doubt if he has ever read the jurist Julius Stone on the legal status of the "West Bank" and I'm sure he hasn't read the latest book on the subject, by Howard Grief. I don't think he reads at all. He travels around the world and he meets Important People, and they tell him things, and then he tells his readers all about it, with his favorite word liberally sprinkled throughout every jejune column: "I," "I," "I," "I," "I," and occasionally, an "I, for one."
Incredible that he is where he is, but I suppose not really, when you think of the standards of everything nowadays. And those groups of businessmen who give Tom Friedman %75,000 a throw to enlighten them on world affairs.
It sickens.
"It sickens."
Uh-huh ..that's exactly how he made me feel this morning.
'Christians will burn in hell,' I told Jamie, 'I'm sick and tired of this hate for Christians.' Jamie said, 'It's the truth.' "The boy was not allowed to associate with non-Muslim children, and he gets beat up by the Muslim kids because they know he's not one of them," she added.
I am wondering what percentage of Muslims, living in the West, bringing up their kids like that - my gut feeling tells me more than 50%.
Don't we have a real dark future for generations ahead, because we need to deal with them when they are hatched into the big wide world?
Thisd kid will grow up, kill a couple of Americans. Then we'll bury the corpses, and spend our money deprogramming the kid.
Multiply this by milions.
My take on this is that Americans are in grave danger of their lives.
Now we understand what Israeli's must fear, day in and day out. An ordinary person, a kid, comes up to you, and blows your head off. Or, perhaps kills your child.
We never had this before in recorded civilization. We're living with willing murderers among us. Sort of like little SS kids. So cute..as they kill
"George Mott, is himself a Muslim convert who speaks Arabic"
What role did the step-father play in the woman's conversion? Was her uber-Islam perfectly acceptable to him until she got busted for terrorism? Are his comments a calculate attempt to disassociate himself from her? Why has her mother conveyed incredulity to the press at her daughter's conversion to Islam when the mother was herself married to a Muslim convert?
There's more to this story than meets the eye.
"What do you expect from our Muslim President ObamaRamadan?
Maybe he should give toy guns to the Roundtable.."
I'm sorry, but as much as I dislike Obama, he's no Muslim. He's a Neville Chamberlain-esque, PC moron. A Muslim would have never held the "Beer Summit" in the White House. He was raised by a woman who would've just as likely married an Islamist as she would have Charles Manson. He was born and bred to be culturally naive to a fault.
That's how I see it anyway, and my personal opinion of the guy.
I agree with you, Phelan, about Obama. And I agree with Hugh about Thomas Friedman. In their own ways, each is a narcissist and narcissism always precludes a capability for true wisdom.
From the article:
From the article:
"He [the boy] said that Christians will burn in hellfire," the child's grandmother, Christine Mott, told The Post. "That's what they are teaching this baby."
This is consistent with the Quran and Hadith, despite what some apologists claim about Christians being accepted in Islam. Only Islam is acceptable (3:85). In Islam, all believers must believe as Muhammad believes; they have to accept the Quran as valid revelation, and they have to accept that Muhammad is a prophet. They have to struggle for Islam and Muhammad. To obey Muhammad is to obey Allah (4:80); the Quran says that if you love Allah, follow Muhammad (3:31). They have to accept that Jesus was not the son of God but only a prophet. Otherwise, they are kufaar and are going to hell; Allah himself fights (q-t-l) them (9:30).
Article:
"Her conversion was so complete, Paulin-Ramirez changed her son's name from Christian to the Islamic name Walid after enrolling him in a fire-breathing Muslim school in Ireland."
'No compulsion in Islam,' but Muslim parents must teach their children to believe in Islam and no other religion. I think we need to hear much more about that "fire-breathing Muslim school" in Ireland, and open up a much broader investigation of Islamic schools generally.
Article:
""The boy was not allowed to associate with non-Muslim children, and he gets beat up by the Muslim kids because they know he's not one of them," she added."
Article:
"Before the boy left, he was like any other 6-year-old, George Mott said. He was into normal things like cartoons, cars and dinosaurs. "I figured him to be a paleontologist," he said.
"He has not been in school since they left there," George said. "He's in an Islamic school. They're teaching him hate."
Article:
"The Washington Post reported that Paulin-Ramirez may have been motivated to travel to Ireland for the rendezvous out of a love for him rather than by a fervent belief in terrorism."
In this case, the woman's "love" (associated here with motivation to do what like-minded husband wants) and "terrorism" (motivation to carry out Islamic blasphemy penalty in such a way as to make a highly publicized example of the cartoonist) are not mutually exclusive. And the woman is not a passive zombie but an active agent. Her pursuit of study of Islam was self-selected and self-determined. This woman dragged her six-year-old son halfway across the world in her pursuit of the assassination of an Islam critic/cartoonist. Even the failed plot, once made public, has otherwise succeeded in furthering instilling fear in the public, and thus regulating expressions about Islam.
@ Wellington and Phelan ~ I too, think the same, but isn't almost every musselman you've ever met a narcissist? I think he's a broomstick jump away from converting... And he IS the type to think, "America be damned!", while all of the middle east cesspool snickers at us...
"ThinkThrice, it was your suggestion that the boy save his mother that I balked at. His mother is a fanatical monster who wants to murder people. When your mother's a terrorist, it's time to cut the cord."
When it is your own family, especially your mom, you have an intervention, you don't shoot them! Walid Shoebat is a good example of an ex-Jihadist who has found the way in Christianity. If the boy had happened to be a super shooter capable of surprising them and taking them out, it is still out of the question that he should have hit his mom. Try to get her out of there or leave on your own but only shoot the others.
I'm sorry, but as much as I dislike Obama, he's no Muslim.
Are you sure? Wright was a muslim who "became a Christian" and started his hate filled "Church". Obama has not yet chosen a Church to attend. I wager he will choose a mosque as a way to "reach out" to the muslim world. I've said that before and I stand by it. That or he will choose no Church at all. I could be wrong. It happens.:)
From Audacity of Hope: "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction. ...
Mr. Spencer answers a question about that in the video posted recently. It is near the end in the questions from the audience. It would seem that at the very least Obama was a Muslim in the past, as when attending Muslim only Koran classes in Indonesia. If he got out and lived to tell about it more power to him but it is likely he still holds a soft spot for Islam in his heart. And given the current place the West is in with regard to Islam that attitude is extremely dangerous for the President of all people to have.
"When it is your own family, especially your mom, you have an intervention, you don't shoot them! "
Interventions are for people addicted to drugs or alcoholics, and that sort of thing. You don't convene an intervention when your family member is a terrorist on a mission to assassinate someone. What's wrong with you!?
She was just along for the ride. She wouldn't have been able to carry out the plan alone. At the very least the son could have reported her to authorities upon escaping and had her arrested, alive.
Darcy wrote:
People: You must read Leonard Pitts' PC column about Jihad Jane in today's "Miami Herald." Of course Islam has nothing to do with her actions! It's a brief column - please read!
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Darcy, thank's for posting this. Here's how Pitts starts his clueless column:
"Evil is not a color.
It has no particular religion with Middle Eastern accents and exotic head gear, they said, and leave the rest of us alone."
While it is true that "Jihad Jane" is not Middle Eastern, she most certainly *is* Muslim—despite Pitts' absurd claim that "no particular religion" was involved.
As for his flippant reference to "exotic head gear"—by which he apparently means Hijab—I would like to ask him if the following is "exotic" enough for him. Here's Colleen LaRose—Jihad Jane—in full niqab:
http://www.cbsnews.com/i/tim//2010/03/10/19_370x278.jpg
Cornelius - I agree with you.
The Feds should be giving Mr George Converted-to-Islam Mott the third degree. And his wife. Take a fine-tooth comb to Mr Mott's background story, and his finances, and everything he's done for the past thirty years. Where did he learn *Arabic*? When?
I want to know when he converted to Islam, where, how, at which mosque. I want to know his level of devotion - five prayers a day? Mosque every Friday? *Which mosque*?
I wouldn't trust ANYTHING Mr Muslim Mott - or his wife - says about his past life and doings, until and unless it's documented and confirmed in triplicate from solid non-Muslim sources.
I want to know how old Jamie was when her mother hooked up with him, and how much contact he had with Jamie, and what influence over her, if any. Did he encourage Jamie to look into Islam?
Kinana
you wrote - "'No compulsion in Islam,' but Muslim parents must teach their children to believe in Islam and no other religion.
' I think we need to hear much more about that "fire-breathing Muslim school" in Ireland, and open up a much broader investigation of Islamic schools generally."
Agree totally.
The Irish authorities should be shutting down that school in Ireland yesterday. Any Islamic School that a known jihad plotter/ inciter thinks suitable for her child, is not a school that Ireland wants on Irish soil.
I will add that I know for a fact that Ayaan Hirsi Ali - who as a little girl experienced brainwashing, Arab supremacism and racism, and physical violence, in a Muslim primary school in Saudi Arabia, and who also experienced clever Muslim Brotherhood revivalism as a teenager in Kenya - is on the record as having told the Dutch authorities, and the UK authorities, and the US authorities, loud and clear, that they should NOT permit *any* Muslim schools to be set up and operated within their countries, full stop. Catholic and other Christian schools, yes; Jewish schools, yes; she mentions these, in an interview, and makes it quite explicit that these can be left alone, that she doesn't want to ban *all* 'faith-based' schools, she only wants a ban on *Islamic* schools. She makes it quite plain that she regards the Islamic schools, within the West, as dangerous.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMUgNg7aD8M
Obama says that "McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith"
Past or present...who really knows? Wrights "Church" was far from Christian. You don't preach hate for any race or hatred for America in any Christian Church I am aware of. mosques? We know what is preached there. Obama sat and listened to Wright for 22 years. 22 years of that crap had to have an effect.
The hatred preached by Wright could only be equaled or exceeded in a mosque.
If he could, he would choose a mosque now. I doubt that even he would make that mistake. Mebbe after he leaves office in 2012...
Most certainly islam instilled in Obama a sense of superiority. Look at the way this narcissist proceeds. With an IQ of 116 he ain' no genius. What he is is dangerous. He believes his own press. Nothing like a dumbass proceeding as if he were a genius with all the answers.
Just so's y' knows...Progressive is code for Communist. When he speaks to his "progressive friends", he's talking to his fellow Commies. Mao hangin' from the WH Christmas tree tells the tale along with all the other little Commies and radicals he hires. muslim? Not full on but he digs it to death. Christian? Hardly. Communist? Most certainly. No doubt of that.
islam is a lie and
Truth is killing it.
In the President's own words:
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSzY#t=28
Thanks Mackie, I thoroughly enjoyed that!
ThinkThrice, what began this disagreement between you and me was your original suggestion that the boy should have used his gun and combat skills to "save himself and his mother".
Now you are dialing that down to a point of eliminating your scenario of the boy using his gun and combat skills at all, and now suggesting an "intervention" with his mother and/or "reporting her to the authorities".
My counter-suggestion is based on your original scenario in which you suggest the boy use his gun and combat skills to "save" -- but because the mother is a murderous terrorist as much as the others, the only person the boy should save in such a scenario is himself -- if, that is, he hasn't drunk the Islamic kool-aid himself; in which case there is no one to save.
You have no evidence for your claim that the mother "was just along for the ride." In fact, all the evidence points to her being a fanatically True Believer -- see the comment of Kinana of Khaybar above:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/03/us-terror-mom-brainwashed-6-year-old-son.html#comment-650260
Apparently, you have not really been digesting the full horror of Islamic brainwashing as reported on Jihad Watch over the years. How many stories have we read over the years about mothers and sisters participating in honor killings, either directly or by aiding and abetting their male relatives to hunt down and horribly murder their own female children? That's just one example out of hundreds of how uniquely fanatical Muslims can get -- men, women and children.
Then you add that the mother "wouldn't have been able to carry out the plan alone."
That is irrelevant and does not exculpate her from her evil or from her dangerousness.
"At the very least the son could have reported her to authorities upon escaping and had her arrested, alive."
Only if that were feasible. But if he had to shoot her to save himself, he should have -- for had he been forced to, he also might well have saved the lives of others whom this evil woman and her comrades were on a mission to murder.
I really think that Western women get involved with kind of bullshit because they are bored and take their freedom for granted. I can tell you that I've witnessed 2nd and 3rd generation American women becoming fascinated with mozoidism and even go around dressed like a mozoid chick, thinking its cool. What's really sad are the American women who married mozoid men a few decades ago and are now in the uncomfortable position of being on the defense every time they have to face their peers at work or their families. The unspoken question these women encounter must always be "Is he or isn't he?", especially as we witness moizoid violence in Western civilization increasing at exponential rates on a daily basis. I've seen this defensiveness among my own peers who are married to mozoid men. It comes off as anger and cagey self-righteousness. Rather disgusting.