FGM: 'traditional practice' in 32 countries, of which 29 are OIC States -- 3 million girls mutilated worldwide each year, 95% of Egyptians

Comments by David G. Littman, NGO Representative at the UN in Geneva:
Association for World Education and World Union for Progressive Judaism

Oral statement (from UN webcast above) reproduced verbatim below

We decided to speak out again on a "traditional practice", whose religious links are vociferously denied, despite irrefutable UNICEF facts and figures. FGM (Female Genital Mutilation) is spreading in Europe with some migrant populations that practise it traditionally. There are now over 1,500 cases in Geneva and nearly 10,000 in Switzerland, with hundreds of thousands in European Union countries. This won't cease until it is strongly penalized, backed by an unambiguous fatwa from the Grand Sheikh of Al-Azhar (Cairo) stating, unambiguously, that this 'cultural relativism' is forbidden by all legal traditions in Islam - unfortunately, this is unlikely. The subject is still considered taboo at the UN and an explicit mention of Sharia justification usually leads to an angry denial and rude denigrations, as we have learned from personal experience since 1993.

Written statement with background information on FGM reprinted at end

It is worthwhile comparing our recent statement on this and the minor Egyptian 'point of order' incident of 23 March (as recorded on the UN video above, reprinted below), which occurred on the same subject of Violence against Women as the 'Sharia Affair' of 16 June 2008. Then, the flamboyant, moustached Egyptian delegate Amr Roshdy Hassan succeeded in blocking the Council for 1¾ hours, resulting in a big scandal and wide media coverage by AFP, AP, Reuters, ATS (17-18 June 2008), with Romanian HRC President Doru Romulus Costea and former HCHR Louise Arbour, American Ambassador and Amnesty International, and our joint NGO statement being quoted at length. Our perseverance then and after appears to have been successful in this field. A follow-up You Tube video on the historic landmark 'Sharia Affair', with many captivating moments, is currently being prepared for Jihad Watch next week.

Shipwreck at the UN Human Rights Council: summary of 16 June 2010 event

At about 4:40pm on 16 June 2008, David G. Littman was given the floor by the HRC president to deliver a joint statement for the AWE and the International Humanist and Ethical Union, under agenda item 8: 'Integrating the Human Rights of Women throughout the United Nations system'. Within 22 seconds he was stopped on a 'point of order' by the delegate of Egypt. In all, there were 12 negative points of order - 7 by Egypt, 2 by Pakistan, 2 by Iran, one by Cuba; and three positive reactions: one each from Slovenia (for the EU), Canada and Germany; and 13 explanations by the president, who gave us the floor 4 times. The proceedings of the Council were suspended for over forty minutes, and again for a second recess after the Egyptian delegate and others intervened several times before declaring provocatively: "My point is that Islam will not be crucified in this Council". The German delegate asked the president and the Egyptian delegate whether this term was "appropriate with regard to the question of mentioning religion and its symbols." He received no answer. Pakistan's delegate Imran Ahmed Siddiqui, speaking for Pakistan and the OIC, declared that the statement by the NGO "will amount to spreading hatred against certain members of the Council" - all OIC countries.

When Mr. Hassan threatened to call for a vote if the speaker was not ruled 'out of order', the president announced another brief break to analyse "what the speaker had read." After the 40 minute recess, there had been a capitulation to OIC demands and the president then announced that "this Council is not prepared to discuss matters religious matters in depth. Consequently we should not do it" - and that "declarations" must avoid judgments or evaluation about religion and any mention of Sharia.

Three months later (19 September 2008) we again spoke for AWE on Female Genital Mutilation; so-called "honour killings"; death by stoning; disfiguration of women by acid; marriage of female children, but avoided pronouncing the officially taboo words. A year later (19 September 2009), we used the terms 'edict' and 'ruling' - with 'fatwa' in brackets in our available statement - e.g: "An edict [fatwa] on the website of Dr. Yusuf Al-Qaradawi, President of the International Union for Muslim Scholars, is unlikely to change this ghastly toll; only an unambiguous ruling [fatwa] from Al Azhar might help do so."

FGM: Oral statement of 23 March 2010 / Appendix: Shafi'i fiqh / AWE Written Statement

WORLD UNION FOR PROGRESSIVE JUDAISM
ASSOCIATION FOR WORLD EDUCATION

United Nations Human Rights Council -13th session (1-26 March 2010)
Statement: David G. Littman (37TH meeting) - Tuesday. 12:30 - 23 March 2010
Item 8: Follow-up to & implementation of Vienna Declaration and Programme of Action

[The words in square brackets were not pronounced within the 2 minute time limit]

Mr. President, under item 10 [a mistake - item 8], the Vienna Declaration, we wish to raise once again the question of a barbaric "traditional or customary practice", which is a shameful euphemism for a crime against female children. As is known from UNICEF, more than 3 million female children and girls in 32 countries - including more and more thousands in Europe from an immigration population - are still being brutally mutilated each year. Here in Geneva, it has reached 1500 and more than 10,000 in Switzerland alone, with tens of thousands in almost all the other Member States of the European Union.

Sir, of these 32 countries, 29 are Members of the OIC and in many of them it is the Shafi'i fiqh ruling on female excision that helps explain why the FGM figure in Egypt remains at over 95% [every year], despite the law of 1994 [1996]; and in [North] Sudan over 90%. We have here the Arabic and the English translation of that law [the speaker raises the page in his left hand - see this text below].

We feel it would be well to consult in document A/HRC/33/67, the report of Mona Zulficar* where she explains, under the heading:

Defense of the Ministry of Health decree of 1996 banning female genital mutilation:

[This was a challenge before the Administrative Courts brought by a group of fundamental doctors against the decree by the Ministry of Health banning female genital cutting, on grounds that such a decree was a violation of Sharia law. She joined the defense of this decree on behalf of three NGOs, including Women's Health Improvement Association which she currently chairs and succeeded to help obtain a court judgment upholding the decree in 1998]

That: Female genital cutting is now banned by law and the relevant decree became immune to any challenges - in 2007, in response to the death of a girl child [while undergoing circumcision, the Minister of Health issued a further decree prohibiting this practice in absolute terms...]

This is correct, sir, but we believe, and have said it now for at least 18 years, that until an Al-Azhar fatwa is passed by the Grand Sheikh, this terrible barbarism will continue because the law doesn't stop it.

Thank you Mr. Chairman [Gavel by vice-president, just as the speaker had stopped after 2 min. 12 sec.]

Vice-President: There's a point of order. Egypt, you have the floor.

Egypt (lady delegate): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Not only is the issue that the speaker's talking about completely outside of the item of the debate - it's completely baseless... although... I don't feel that I'm in any position or requirement to answer what he's saying, but I think it's quite obvious to the Council what kind of measures are being taken in the [inaudible], so that I would please request him to please remain focused on the item under debate. Thank you.
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* Mona Zulficar is an expert lawyer nominated by Egypt in January 2010 as a Member of the Human Rights Council Advisory Committee. For her Biographical Data, A/HRC/13/67, Annex, pp. 4-12 (on Human Rights) 5.1 (a)

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UNITED NATIONS
Economic and Social Council
Distr. GENERAL
E/CN.4/Sub.2/2005/NGO/27
15 July 2005
COMMISSION ON HUMAN RIGHTS
Sub-Commission on the Promotion and Protection of Human Rights Fifty-seventh session
Item 6 (a) of the provisional agenda: Special Human Rights Issues: Women and Human Rights

Written statement* submitted by the Association for World Education, a nongovernmental
organization on the Roster: The Secretary-General has received the following written statement which is circulated in accordance with Economic and Social Council resolution 1996/31. [4 July 2005]

'Traditional or Customary Practices': Female Genital Mutilation (FGM)

1. ECOSOC first raised this grave matter of "traditional or customary practices" in a request to the World World Health Organisation (WHO), where it was rejected in 1959 on the grounds that the "ritual operation in question are based on social and cultural backgrounds, the study of which is outside the competence of the WHO." Due to NGO pressures - such as that by the late Edmund Kaiser, founder of Terre des Hommes, who launched the first campaign against these "traditional practices" - WHO organised a seminar in Khartoum in 1979 when the unambiguous term FGM was first coined. The Inter-African Committee (IAC) came into existence at that time and subsequently many useful studies were organised by WHO and UNESCO. By its resolution 1983/1, the Sub-Commission "began the process of drawing world attention" to this then taboo subject - which had rarely treated it seriously in public until then.

2. In 1996, WHO called "for the prevention and elimination of FGM and other traditional practices harmful to health as soon as possible, preferably before the year 2000." In September 1997, the organisation for African Unity (OAC), the Inter-African Committee (IAC), and the Economic Commission for Africa (ECA) organised a symposium at which a crucial declaration was adopted that referred to FGM as "a form of violence against women," and called on Governments to take effective action for its elimination. In its resolution 1998/52, the CHR called upon States: "to condemn violence against women and not invoke custom, tradition or practices in the name of religion to avoid their obligations to eliminate such violence (9c); it also calling upon States, "to eradicate traditional or customary practices, particularly female genital mutilation that are harmful to or discriminate against women..." (11)

3. We first raised the question of Female Genital Mutilation (FGM), as an NGO at the Commission on Human Rights 12 years ago, following contacts with Edmund Kaiser (and in an appeal published in the International Herald Tribune on 21 December 1993, and again on 28 August 1996). At that time, measures of a legal nature had been taken in the United Kingdom, France, Sweden, and in Switzerland; and then by the United States, Canada and Australia, who joined the growing list of Western countries determined to legislate against FGM - since followed by most African countries.

4. The term "traditional or customary practices" is a shameful euphemism for a crime against females. FGM has no religious or hygienic justification, yet over two million female children and girls in more than 30 countries - including more and more thousands in Europe from an immigrant population - are being brutally mutilated each year. The goal of outlawing this ageless child torture by 2010, as announced at the 6 February 2004 International Day of Zero Tolerance of FGM - still seems a pious
hope. Over the last 50 years (as in past centuries), about 10% of the world's female population has already been thus mutilated in childhood, and this sober realisation should prompt all world leaders - whether secular or spiritual - and UN bodies to initiate positive education at an early age in schools, including in religious schools.

5. We wish to reiterate that the 2003 Cairo Consultation sponsored by the European Union on the theme, 'STOP FGM,' which took place in the presence of Al-Azhar's Grand Sheikh Muhammad Sayyed Tantawi and two Coptic spiritual leaders did not remove religious justifications or responsibilities in
this domain. UN Special Rapporteur (UNSR) Halima Warzazi, had already implied in her Report in 2003 that this 'event' had removed all doubts as to any religious justification for FGM - and this was reiterated in her 2004 Report, albeit in another context, under §67.

6. The FGM figure for Egypt was then, and remains today a deadly 97%, despite the Government's 1997 legislation, in which it is considered as a physical mutilation and therefore is punished under the Penal Law; the Council of State decided on 28 December 1997: "to ban the practice of excision, even when the consent of either child or her parents is given." In Sudan, a law against infibulation was enacted in 1946 by the colonial power, but since this law was imposed by the British, it was never enforced. According to the UNSR's Report of 2004 (E/CN.4/Sub.2/2004/41, §24): "Almost 90% of the female population in the north of the Sudan undergoes FGM which, in many cases, is practised in its most extreme form, known as infibulation."

7. This fact speaks volumes, especially as Egypt's population has nearly quadrupled since 1950, and FGM for northern Sudan is near 90% and the high percentage in thirty other countries - most Islamic - is known to the experts. In her 2004 report, UNSR Warzazi correctly referred to FGM as reflecting male domination, and the importance of "strengthening the status of women in society from the earliest age" - however she noted in her conclusions that "harmful traditional practices cannot be eliminated overnight with a wave of a magic wand," and criticised the British Government for introducing stringent legislation to punish severely anyone performing FGM in the UK ("even outside the country"). The UNSR (§67) referred to a conference on Islam and FGM at the Islamic University of Rotterdam, after which the university released a statement asserting that there is no connection between FGM and Islam.

8. On this overall theme of 'traditional practices,' we wish to draw general attention to a pertinent analysis of "cultural relativism" in the final Commission Report of 2003 by former Special Rapporteur Ms. Radhika Coomaraswamy, who occupied that post with distinction for nine years. Under section VII: Religious Extremism and Harmful Traditional Practices, § 61 & 62 (E/CN.4/2003/75), she provides a pertinent analysis, which will be our Conclusion:

"In 1994, as well as today, the greatest challenge to women's rights and the elimination of discriminatory laws and harmful practices comes from the doctrine of cultural relativism. While in the public sphere, where men dominate, the Internet and modern forms of economic and social globalization are destroying citadels of cultural exclusivism, in the area of women's rights, especially in matters concerning the home and the family, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights is challenged as being a cultural imposition from the outside. This is made worse by the policies adopted since 11 September 2001 by many groups and societies that feel threatened & under siege." (§61)
"Cultural relativism is the belief that no universal legal or moral standard exists against
which human practices can be judged. It is argued that human rights discourse is not
universal but a product of the European enlightenment, and its particular cultural
development, and thus a cultural imposition of one part of the globe upon another.
Ironically, despite these claims, States sign international human rights instruments and
agree to abide by their principles. It could therefore be argued that States have
consented to be bound by certain universal principles. Human rights have become
universal in scope and application..." (§62)

9. The Association for World Education remains convinced that a dramatic change might occur in Egypt, followed by other Muslim countries, if Al-Azhar Grand Sheikh Sayyed Tantawi could be persuaded by a consensus of religious authorities, and the Egyptian Government to issue a fatwa that would effectively clarify or replace the three previous fatwas from Al-Azhar (1949, 1951, and especially that of 29 January 1981 by the then senior Al-Azhar Grand Sheikh). (1) Although no religious backing was given then for FGM, parents were advised not to avoid "parental responsibilities." It is known
that most parents, a majority of whom are illiterate, would automatically choose an Al-Azhar ruling or advice, rather than a secular law of the Egyptian Government.

10. This AWE request should be considered by the Special Rapporteur Halima Embarek Warzazi and the Sub-Commission, and formulated and included in its resolution on Harmful traditional practices affecting the health of women and the girl child.
Note
1 Gad-al-Haq: Khitan al banat, pp. 3119-3125, in Sami A. Aldeeb, Mutiler, in the Institut Suisse de Droit Comparé, 1993, p. 191.
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* This written text was prepared by David G. Littman for the AWE

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All Western countries need to cut off all aid to these countries that practice FGM now! write, email, fax your government.

The mutilated clitoris exemplifies Islamic culture.

I think David Littman, who represents Judaism, is out of line raising this subject. Whether or not it's fair, it looks like in talking about human rights in Muslim countries he has ulterior motives, namely first and foremost Israel. He should talk about Jewish issues instead of trying to hide behind a transparent cover of universalism. Let someone who does not represent a Jewish organization criticize human rights in Muslim countries.

When it comes to human rights issues, dismissing someones comments because of his or her religion is disingenuous. What reveals sinister motives, however, is when a translator, like Nuh Ha Mim Keller who translated The Reliance of the Traveler, distorts the original Arabic, as seen above. I guess he couldn't stomach the reality that his Shariah Law calls for inhumane mutilations.

"Female Genital Mutilation; so-called "honour killings"; death by stoning; disfiguration of women by acid; marriage of female children."

Again... Why does allah hate women?

I think that I know why. Satan is anti-human life, in general, right? So why would he not hate, and destroy the bearers, and nurturers, of human life.

while undergoing circumcision...

Circumcision of the skin cloaking the clitoris would expose it, thereby heightening the female subject's sexuality. Somehow, I don't see Allah, Mohammed, the Companions, or any subsequent Moslems looking to do that.

*** 33:4 ***

"Female Genital Mutilation; so-called "honour killings"; death by stoning; disfiguration of women by acid; marriage of female children." Again... Why does allah hate women?

Google the word "thighing" and then maybe you'll understand how intensely the Moslem Male loves women. These dudes are willing to go the extra mile for their girls. The late, great Ayatollah Khomeini even issued a fatwa on it.

"A man can quench his sexual lusts with a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate. Sodomizing the baby is halal (allowed by sharia). If the man penetrates and damages the child, then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however, does not count as one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girl’s sister. It is better for a girl to marry when her menstruation starts, and at her husband's house rather than her father's home. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven.
-- Khomeini, Tahrirolvasyleh fourth volume, Darol Elm, Gom, Iran, 1990

See what I mean? The Supreme Leader of Iran, the Shia Grand Ayatollah, would have Moslem Men take care of their little chicklets. No harm, no foul.

Let someone who does not represent a Jewish organization criticize human rights in Muslim countries.

Stating one's religion in the inhumane practice of female genital mutilation has no bearing on the violation of a female such practice entails. It matters not the religion of the critic of such barbaric practices. Only a Muslim/Sharia supremacist would think otherwise.

I figured Mr. Littman was speaking for you, since he has his foot in the door at the U.N.

You're so concerned, but somehow couldn't find a way to make your voice heard, so you must have gotten David Littman to do all the heavy lifting necessary to bring this barbaric, backwards, torturous practice against females to light.

What a relief. For a second, I thought you might actually approve of the practice.

Besides, who do you think ends up caring for all of the medical mishaps its retarded Muslim squatters bring into its top-notch clinics and hospitals?

How many times does a paramedic squad have to deal with "woman in labor, send a female paramedic, too hard to have a baby because she's been cut and sewn up" or "12-year-old in labor, send female paramedic, too hard to have a baby because she's twelve and been cut and sewn up" or "7-year-old gone septic because of a home mutilation".

You've got some misplaced priorities.

Perhaps I overlooked it, but I'd be curious to read if there is a difference in FGM rates between Muslim and non-Muslims in this countries like Egypt or Syria. Is FGM more prevalent among Muslims or has does it appear in Christian populations at similar rates? I'm not trying to make some dodgy moral equivalency relating to FGM, it's a vile practice no matter how you look at it. I'm just curious whether FGM, like honor killings is more ingrained into Islamic societies than Muslims would like to admit.

In the translation of the Arabic text from the manual of Islamic law "Reliance of the Traveler" qutoed in the article, I notice that once again Mark Durie's advice is being ignored -- to wit, where Durie argued that the English translation is incorrect, of female circumcision as involving only removing the "prepuce of the clitoris" which the English translator goes on to assert in a bracketed note "and not the clitoris itself as some mistakenly assert". Durie has argued the English translator is probably mistranslating this on purpose, as an apologist, in order to make Islam look a little less barbaric, for according to Durie, the Arabic clearly states that the entire clitoris is to be cut out.

See:

http://www.andrewbostom.org/blog/2008/01/22/clarification-of-islamic-law-support-for-female-genital-mutilation-by-dr-mark-durie/

Why is even David Littman ignoring Mark Durie's argument? One would think this context, of a formal appeal to the U.N. concerning the global practice of FGM mostly in Muslim countries, would be the place to highlight Durie's argument! And why has Robert Spencer repeatedly ignored Mark Durie's argument? Why isn't the anti-Islam movement setting in stone Mark Durie's argument so that this one piece, the problem of FGM, of the jigsaw puzzle of the larger Problem of Islam can be used effectively? Or, if Durie's argument is unsound, why doesn't someone present a counter-argument to it?

I don't think you understood my comment. It's not that his religion matters (it does not). It's that he is speaking as a formal representative of another religion, which affects the meaning of his remarks.

I also cannot understand the report saying FGM is not connected to religion.
Apart from the argument of Mark Durie which Hesperado outlined above, and Mohammed's own words about not cutting "too deeply", there are many other indications that Muslims claim this practice as their own.
For example, I recently read an article about a French doctor who was performing operations correcting, as much as possible, the damage done by FGM. He had received death threats from Muslims.
A particularly unpleasant aspect of FGM is a not uncommon desire of Muslim men to take a second wife who has NOT been circumcised, for sexual reasons. Not only is this humiliating for the first, Muslim, wife, but the men draw their second wife from non-Muslim ranks (if they can find one) thus increasing the numbers of Muslim babies born, even if they don't convert the woman herself.
I sometimes wonder how many of the consequences of Islamic practices were contrived by Mohammed himself. Was he really so clever as to design so very many ways to increase the numbers of Muslims?

I am so angry, I'm sure I've raised my blood pressure. The discussion of FGM, like the discussion of torture or human right's abuses, SHOULD NOT have ANYTHING TO DO WITH RELIGION. (I know, it does.) We are talking about 50% of almost every country's populations. FGM is torture and agony for half a country's population. This is the 21st century. Girls/women are human beings and say what you like, they were made by Nature/God/Allah in perfect form. They should be left intact. Point final.

stasic wrote:

I think David Littman, who represents Judaism, is out of line raising this subject.
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Any Westerner is out of line raising this subject. Any non-Muslim is out of line raising this subject. Any Muslim who raises this subject must be an apostate. This subject must never be raised by anyone, nor any criticism of Islam ever allowed.

From the article:

Within 22 seconds he was stopped on a 'point of order' by the delegate of Egypt. In all, there were 12 negative points of order - 7 by Egypt, 2 by Pakistan, 2 by Iran, one by Cuba...
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Three unfree Muslim countries and a communist police state.

More:

the Egyptian delegate and others intervened several times before declaring provocatively: "My point is that Islam will not be crucified in this Council".
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Islam may not be "crucified"—but little girls may be mutilated, and "honor killed", and married off to men old enough to be their grandfathers.

But Allah forbid that anyone criticize the loathsome creed that not only condones such horrors, but considers them signs of *religious piety*.

Every country that practices female circumcision (FGM) also practices male circumcision, also known as male genital mutilation (MGM). It is ironic that David Littman, a Jewish man, would speak at the UN only about female circumcision. He knows that Jews worldwide invite a non-physician into their living rooms to have their baby's penis mutilated and then have a party afterwards. This surgery is forced upon boys without their consent. It is done for religious reasons, not for health ones.

Nevertheless, countries in Europe have never accepted any health claims for this practice. It is clearly another traditional religious practice that is harmful to children.

PEOPLE, THIS IS HAPPENING HERE IN MY SUBURBS OF THE TWIN CITIES even though it it against State Law. (Large Somali population) Here is some more info:

http://www.challenging-islam.org/articles/circumcision.htm
scroll halfway down:

http://middle-east-info.org/gateway/genocide/index.htm
WARNING: GRAPHIC IMAGES

http://middle-east-info.org/league/somalia/fgmpictures.htm

http://www.londonschoolofislamics.org.uk/DiscView.asp?mid=864&forum_id=2

Sorry, all but graphic middle link are outdated,

This one works and is perhaps the most important of all:

WARNING:

DISTURBING AND GRAPHIC:

http://middle-east-info.org/league/somalia/fgmpictures.htm

Removal of the male foreskin does not appear to affect male sexual health or sexual response in any significant way at all, nor to expose men to UTIs and other nasties.

I am married to a man who was circumcised, as many western men were during the 1960s; I *know*.

The equivalent, in men, to the 'mildest' form of FGM would be to cut off not the foreskin but the whole of the glans (that would equate to the 'cutting out of the clitoris' which is recommended by Shafi'i law; as for the male equivalent for the severer forms of FGM that involve removal of most or all visible external genitalia, well...what do you suppose would be the equivalent, for a male? Chopping off the lot...

Women who have their clitoris excised are denied the capacity for sexual climax; whereas a circumcised man - unless the operation has been grossly botched - is perfectly capable of climaxing.

Women who are subjected to infibulation - if they do not die from shock, blood loss and infection at the time of the mutilation (and many girls do; I doubt you would find a death toll among circumcised males, anywhere near as high as that among mutilated girls) - are subject, lifelong, to all manner of consequent miseries: e.g. much higher susceptibility to urinary tract and other infections (which can in turn lead to kidney disease), and obstructed labour leading either to death of mother and child, or to fistulas - rupture of the tissue between bladder and vagina or between vagina and anus, or both at once.

I doubt that any circumcised man, when the operation has been performed by an expert, is exposed to anything even remotely equivalent to the level of misery, pain, illness and death that are the regular 'fallout' from FGM.

http://newstime.co.nz/2009/female-circumcision-is-allowed-in-islam.html
Sunan Abu Dawud Book 41, Number 5251: “… A womam used to perform circumcision in Medina. The Prophet (pbuh) said to her: Do not cut severely …”

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