Fitzgerald: The New York Times, and That Business At the Cathedral In Cordoba

The New York Times did not distinguish itself when the Nazis came to power. It kept stories of the persecution of the Jews to small items, on the inside pages, and failed to convey to its readers, many of whom must surely have been Jewish and had relatives they might have more vigorously attempted to help, the full story of what Hitler so clearly intended. And many readers of The New York Times, both Jewish and non-Jewish, might have done more throughout the 1930s to strengthen the power of those who wanted American intervention, and consequently a much earlier buildup of American military strength at a time when the American army was only the 18th largest in the world. The full story is told by Laurel Leff, and I would go further than she does, and charge that those such as the Sulzberger family who didn't want to have their paper appear to be "too concerned with Jewish matters" in fact have blood on their hands, the blood of those who were not rescued because all through the nineteen thirties, and even into the period of America's entry into the war, there was not nearly enough coverage of the persecution and mass murder of the Jews from the "newspaper of record."

The same was true of the coverage of the Communists, and especially of the forced starvation of the kulaks and others in the Ukraine. Walter Duranty was the Times' correspondent in the Soviet Union, and a sympathizer with the Communists, a man deeply impressed with Joseph Stalin. For his deeply misleading and in retrospect sickening reports, he won a Pulitzer Prize. He helped, by commission, to convey a false reality concerning the Soviet Union and its murderous policies, just as the owners of the Times helped, by deliberate omission and de-emphasizing, to convey a false reality concerning the Nazis and their murderous policies, and chief and earliest victims, the Jews of Germany and then of Eastern Europe.

Not content with that record, the New York Times over nearly the last decade has done nothing to enlighten its readers about the ideology of Islam. If you read the Times every day, faithfully, from 9/11/2001 on to today, you still would not know what the word "Hadith" means or what an "isnad-chain" is. You still would not be able to define the word "Sunnah." You still would not know that Muhammad is regarded as the Model of Conduct, uswa hasana, and the Perfect Man, al-insan al-kamil, or why it matters. You still would not know about little Aisha, and why Muhammad's "marriage" to her when she was nine years old had consequences in the Islamic Republic of Iran when Khomeini came to power, and still has permanent consequences for girls all over the Muslim-ruled lands.

You still would not know what the Muslim attitude toward negotiations and peace treaties with non-Muslims is, or what is the significance of the Treaty of Hudaibiyyah, made by Muhammad with the Meccans in 628 A.D., nor of the continuing significance of that Treaty in Muslim relations with non-Muslims - siyar - today. You still would not fully grasp what the Shari'a is, or what was and remains the legal status of non-Muslims in the Muslim state. You still would never have heard about Taqiyya, the doctrine of religiously-sanctioned dissimulation about the faith, or about the related doctrine of Kitman, which is a variant of Taqiyya that consists of "mental reservation." You still would not have heard of any of the great Western scholars of Islam - not a single mention, I suspect, in the New York Times, of C. Snouck Hurgronje, possibly the greatest of all of them, even when Aceh was much in the news, and Snouck Hurgronje had written extensively on the Acehinese. You would not have heard of Joseph Schacht, the great Western scholar of Islamic law. You would not have heard of Antoine Fattal, and his book (oh, it's in French, so Americans should not be expected to even have heard of it, even to learn of its existence), on the legal status of non-Muslims in Muslim lands. You still would not have had a single reference to, or any explanation of, the concepts of Dar al-Islam and Dar al-Harb. You still would never have heard more than a few gossipy stories, devoid of real content, devoted to Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Wafa Sultan, Nonie Darwish, Ibn Warraq, Ali Sina, Magdi Allam, and many others. You still would not have heard in any detail about all the places where Islam is on the march, and how Islam is the main factor that explains the behavior of the Arab Muslims, not only in the forty-year slow genocide being carried out in southern Sudan, but also in the mass-murdering of black African Muslims in Darfur - because you would assume if Muslims kill Muslims, then "of course Islam can't have anything to do with it."

And you would think that because the New York Times would never publish a syllable about all the ways that Islam has been and always will be a vehicle for Arab supremacism. You would never have heard of Anwar Shaikh, and his book Islam: The Arab National Religion. You would never have heard of Taha Hussain, the great Egyptian writer and intellectual, and his attempt through what is called "Pharaonism" to remove Egypt, or at least to distance it, from the Islamic Middle East and to turn it toward the Greece of classical antiquity and toward Europe. You would never understand what Ba'athism really is, or why it took root only in Alawite-ruled Syria and Sunni-ruled Iraq, and what were the specific local reasons why the regimes in both countries found "Ba'athism" a useful camouflage for regimes that were Alawite and Sunni Arab despotisms, respectively.

You would not, if you dutifully read the preening and pridefully o'erweening New York Times every day since 9/11/2001, know what the word "dhimmi" really means. You would be unable to discuss in any detail what was required of "dhimmis" (that is, the subset of non-Muslims, or Infidels, who were allowed at least to live, and even practice their religion, under Muslim rule, in the lands conquered by Muslims, as long as a series of onerous duties, economic and social, were fulfilled). You would not know what the word "Jizyah" truly meant, and how different it was from merely being a "tax" given the deliberate conditions of humiliation with which it had ideally to be paid.

You would know nothing of how Islam spread in the East Indies, or in India. You would know nothing of the destruction of Buddhist steles and the artifacts of Greco-Bactrian civilization in Central Asia, know nothing about the tens of thousands of Hindu temple complexes destroyed in India, or how many tens of millions of Hindus were killed under Muslim rule, or what the British conquerors, in removing Muslim rulers, managed to do by way of allowing Hindus to rediscover their own past. You would have learned nothing of the massive destruction of Christian iconography all over Byzantium. Nor would you have a hint of how the vast riches of what once contained a hundred Ravennas were destroyed by Muslims, not wantonly but strictly according to the rules laid down by Muhammad as to what was prohibited and what commanded. You would know nothing about why in Islam dogs are so disliked, and why Muhammad is reported in a Hadith to have said that angels would not enter a home in which there were dogs or artworks depicting humans. You would, in short, in your understanding of Islam, had you relied only on the New York Times, still have roughly the same understanding of Islam that you had on 9/10/2001.

And The New York Times continues, in ways little and big, to ignore the reality of Islam. It is a case of individual folly and mediocrity - the egregious Tom Friedman comes immediately to mind, and so too does Nicholas Kristof. But then there are the reporters. There are those who report from Pakistan on various rapes and murders of Christians but are careful never to dwell on, and sometimes fail to mention altogether, the religious prompting of such atrocities by Muslims. See, for example, the report recently of Sabrina Tavernise on the young girl murdered by her Muslim employer, a leader of the Lahore bar, and how little she explained, and how much that was relevant she left out. See how other reporters, in Iraq, for example, have by ignoring Islam never asked the most obvious of questions: how is it that the goal, under Bush, or under Obama, of leaving Iraq unified and prosperous, will somehow contribute to our own defense, the Defense of the West, against the worldwide Jihad that is merely the sum of all the local Jihads? And the same question should be asked of Afghanistan. But while the editors of the New York Times so clearly did not support Bush, and are vaguely unhappy with the transfer of the "center of the war on terrorism" to Afghanistan by the Obama Administration, they lack the ability or willingness to discuss Islam, the ideology of Islam, and hence even to begin to think in terms of the threat to Western Europe through such instruments of Jihad as deployment of the Money Weapon, campaigns of Da'wa, and demographic conquest.

Thus the Times is worse than useless. It is not a guide to understanding the world, or the threat to the wellbeing of non-Muslims everywhere from those who take their Islam seriously, either now, or possibly, as a result of any number of promptings (some political and many personal) in the future. The Times has performed disgracefully, and after the disgraces of the 1930s, it's quite something to find it failing so badly, with such dangerous consequences, again.

Let us take, for example, something very small, something so small that it never appeared in the Times as a full-fledged article, but rather as a small paragraph under the rubric "World News." The Paper of Record took the story - The Times does this more and more - from the AP.

Here it is: "Muslims Try to Pray in Spanish Cathedral."

Where shall we begun? Let's begin with the title: "Muslims Try To Pray In Spanish Cathedral." Now the word "prayer" to non-Muslim readers will evoke an image of people perhaps silently clasping their hands together, leaning forward in a pew, and either silently, to themselves, or in a quiet tone, speaking heartfeltly to God. It seems innocuous, doesn't it? But we have to keep in mind what Muslim prayer is. It is a collective act. It is an act which requires the worshippers to get down on the floor, and to turn in a certain direction, and to simultaneously prostrate themselves, in serried ranks. It is, when carried out in the public spaces of the West - as on the Viale Jenner in Milan - a political statement. The Italian papers show these alarming photographs of hundreds or even thousands of Muslims taking over sidewalks, streets, the space before cathedrals, in a show not, as the Times report might make you think, of religious piety, but rather as a display of strength, a claim that is akin to that of planting the Flag of Islam. They were not merely praying. They were laying claim to territory. But if you do not know about Islam, if you have not thoroughly grasped and assimilated the texts, tenets, attitudes, and atmospherics of Islam, you would not know any of this.

And that is what was going on here, in Cordoba, at a cathedral. But was it, after all, a cathedral? Note that the very first sentence of the report attempts to undercut that claim: "A group of Muslims tried to pray inside a Roman Catholic cathedral that was originally a mosque and then scuffled with security guards and police who tried to stop them, a Spanish official said Friday."

Ah, you see. "A Roman Catholic cathedral" that was -- nota bene, reader - "originally a mosque." Oh, well then, those Muslims certainly have a claim, don't they? Would it help you to understand things better if you were also told that that mosque was last a mosque in the 13th century, when Muslims still ruled in Cordoba, just before the Reconquista finally reached the banks of the Guadalquivir, during a struggle to throw back the Muslim invaders that took 500 years to finally achieve its complete purpose? Would it matter to your understanding if, in addition to being told that the cathedral has been a cathedral since the 13th century, you also knew that the mosque itself had been built over a pre-existing Christian building, the Basilica of St. Vincent? What if the sentence had read thus: "A group of Muslims tried to pray inside a Roman Catholic cathedral that had once, in from the 8th to the 13th centuries, been a mosque, though built on top of what, before the Muslim conquest, had been the Basilica of St. Vincent...The Muslims 120 of them, refused to obey both security guards and police, and put up violent resistance that resulted in several serious injuries to those Spanish police, a Spanish official said Friday."

Would that change how you would view that event? Would your view change if you knew that the "group of Muslims" was not four or six or eight (you know, with Kodaks and postcards, just a group of tourists, who happened to enter the cathedral and, feeling inspired by the religious atmosphere, spontaneously started to pray, in their own way) but rather 120 Muslims "from Austria" ("Austrian Muslims")? They had come all this way perhaps to see "Islamic Spain" and to take part not in land reclamation of the kind the Jewish pioneers engaged in when they revivified the desolate deserts and reclaimed land from the Huleh Marshes in the 1920s and 1930s, but a different kind of land reclamation or re-claiming. How many Arab cities have an Al-Andalus street? How many times do the Arabs and other Muslims speak or write openly about re-claiming Spain, al-Andalus, which was once under Muslim rule and so, just like Israel, and just like Greece and the Balkan states, and Bulgaria, and Rumania, and much of Hungary, and much of Russia, and nearly all of India, are first on the To-Do List of Muslims? For Muslims, while aware that the whole world belongs to Allah, and to the Best of Peoples, his people, the Muslims, those places that were once under Muslim rule should ideally be recovered first, though in the end the order of conquest does not much matter as long as the whole world is ultimately a place where everywhere Islam dominates, and Muslims rule.

The second paragraph puts what happened as innocuously and unalarmingly as it can:

Two of the tourists were arrested after the incident Wednesday night in the southern city of Cordoba and a police officer and a cathedral security guard were slightly injured, National Police spokeswoman Rosa Ortiz told The Associated Press.

"Two of the tourists" were arrested but we still have no sense that there were 120 Muslims - quite a large number for the two or three security guards in the cathedral - there, behaving in a threatening way. And we don't know if those two were the only ones who had caused trouble or if they were the only ones that could be identified with certainty as having caused trouble. And what about the two Spaniards who were "slightly injured"? How were they "slightly injured"? And why do some accounts suggest, or state, that they weren't slightly injured but much more seriously injured? And why is it that there were police there at all? What was it that caused the police to be called in by the cathedral security guards, so that one of the two wounded turned out to be a police officer?

Well, the reporter, or AP editors, and no doubt the New York Times editors who reduced this version even further for the edition of the paper I saw, did not want to get into the details of the aggressive Muslim behavior, and the numbers involved, without first taking us on a little detour so that we would be psychologically soothed, mentally prepared to be on the side of the Muslims, before being told of the little unpleasantness.

Here are the three distracting paragraphs that might well have been omitted or changed, or come much further down in the story. For where they are placed, they interrupt the ordinary reportorial flow:

The Great Mosque of Cordoba was built after the Moorish invasion of Spain in the 8th century. Cordoba is known as the City of Three Cultures because Muslims, Jews and Christians lived there in harmony during medieval times.

The mosque was transformed into a cathedral in 1236 when King Ferdinand III captured the city from the Moors. Since then, except for rare exceptions, Muslim prayer rites have been forbidden inside.

All of a sudden, the Cathedral in Cordoba has become, in the telling, not "what was once the Great Mosque of Cordoba" or "built on the site of, and using much of the structure of, what was once the Great Mosque of Cordoba." No, it has already been transformed, in the report, into "the Great Mosque of Cordoba." And only now do we find out that this took place in the 8th century, "after the Moorish invasion of Spain" and we are quickly told that "Cordoba is known as the City of Three Cultures because Muslims, Jews and Christians lived there in harmony during medieval times."

Why are we told this? What does this have to do with 120 Muslims from Austria coming to Spain and defying orders to stop, continuing to aggressively prostrate themselves, all together, 120 of them, in what is, and what has been for nearly a thousand years, a Christian place of worship? Remember, this was an act not of religious piety - don't be fooled for a minute - but an act of calculated political muscle-flexing and aggression. They behaved in the spirit of the Muslims who from all over Europe came for the dedication of a mosque in Grenada a few years ago, and who, instead of expressing any gratitude to the Spanish government, spoke of Islam being on the march. They also said that Muslims in Europe should refuse to use the Infidel currency, and in other ways work to bring about the collapse of the societies within which those Muslims had been allowed to settle, to live and to receive every conceivable benefit from the generous welfare-states that Infidel taxpayers had set up, long ago, to take care of their own. Now those Infidels were finding that those benefits were being exploited, and then some, by Muslims who had arrived, who were not and could not be part of their societies, who did not and would not accept the legitimacy of non-Muslim legal and political institutions, but who were determined to take whatever advantage they could of Infidel naivety and endless generosity.

Why, the sentence about the Muslims, Jews and Christians living "in harmony" in Cordoba is a staple of Muslim and Arab propaganda. It is the theme of Maria Rosa Menocal's The Ornament of the World, with all of its clichés about Islamic Spain - clichés that owe their origin not to sober historians, but to writers of fiction, and not just any writers of fiction, but those who were part of what is called Romanticism. The three most responsible for the Romantic idealization of Islamic Spain were Sir Walter Scott (not for treating of Spain directly, but for his view of Saladin as a "chivalrous" man, practically someone who could give the Crusaders lessons in true Christian behavior), and Chateaubriand, in "Le Dernier des Abencerages" (you know, the last of Moorish kingdom in Grenada, the Moor's Last Sigh, that sort of thing) and, above all, Washington Irving with his romantic "Tales of the Alhambra."

But is it true? Was Cordoba, was Islamic Spain itself, a place where "Muslims, Christians, and Jews" all lived in splendid harmony? Apparently the Christians didn't feel so, because otherwise why would they have spent 500 years in attempting to throw back the Muslim invaders? And what about the Jews, who had no army? Well, consider the most famous of those Jews - there is a statute of him, by the way, in Cordoba, in the Juderia. What did Maimonides think of Cordoba, where he lived, as a place where under Muslim rule Muslims, Christians, and Jews lived in "harmony"? In his "Epistle to Yemen," Maimonides described his experience. In an excellent response to Amartya Sen's dreamy and utterly conventional view of Islamic Spain, Fouad Ajami took Sen to task for writing about things he knew little about -- it's the intellectual deformation that comes, for some, with winning the Nobel Prize. Like George Wald, like Linus Pauling, Amartya Sen has taken his Nobel to give him license not to observe the same exacting standards required for sensibly commenting on the world as he would observe, one assumes, in his own field of professional specialization.

Ibn Warraq discusses the Myth of Maimonides thus:

Here is how Amartya Sen treats, for example, the Myth of Maimonides. Amartya Sen tells us twice in his book Identity and Violence that when "..the Jewish Philosopher Maimonides was forced to emigrate from an intolerant Europe in the twelfth century, he found a tolerant refuge in the Arab world." I do not know how to characterize this misinterpretation of history -- "willful," "grotesque," "dishonest" or "typical?" It is certainly an indication that in the present intellectual climate that one can denigrate Europe any way one wishes, to the point of distorting history, without, evidently, any one of the distinguished scholars who blurbed the book raising an eyebrow. Ironically, the one reviewer who did object to Sen's "potted history" which "is tailored for interfaith dialogues" was Fouad Ajami in The Washington Post. Ajami reminded Sen that...this will not do as history. Maimonides, born in 1135, did not flee "Europe" for the "Arab world": He fled his native Córdoba in Spain, which was then in the grip of religious-political terror, choking under the yoke of a Berber Muslim dynasty, the Almohads, that was to snuff out all that remained of the culture of conviviencia and made the life of Spain's Jews (and of the free spirits among its Muslims) utter hell. Maimonides and his family fled the fire of the Muslim city-states in the Iberian Peninsula to Morocco and then to Jerusalem. There was darkness and terror in Morocco as well, and Jerusalem was equally inhospitable in the time of the Crusader Kingdom. Deliverance came only in Cairo -- the exception, not the rule, its social peace maintained by the enlightened Saladin. Moses Maimonides [1135 -1204], Jewish rabbi, physician, and philosopher, was fleeing the Muslims, the intolerant Almohads who conquered Cordoba in 1148. The Almohads persecuted the Jews, and offered them the choice of conversion to Islam, death, or exile. Maimonides' family and other Jews chose exile. But this did not bring any peace to the Jews who had to be on the move constantly to avoid the all-conquering Almohads. After a brief sojourn in Morocco and the Holy Land, Maimonides settled in Fostat, Egypt, where he was physician to the Grand Vizier Alfadhil, and possibly Saladin, the Kurdish Sultan. Maimonides's The Epistle to the Jews of Yemen was written in about 1172 in reply to inquiries by Jacob ben Netan'el al-Fayyūmi, the then head of the Jewish community in Yemen. The Jews of Yemen were passing through a crisis, as they were being forced to convert to Islam, a campaign launched in about 1165 by 'Abd-al-Nabī ibn Mahdi. Maimonides provided them with guidance and with what encouragement he could. The Epistle to the Jews of Yemen gives a clear view of what Maimonides thought of Muhammad the Prophet, "the Madman" as he calls him, and of Islam generally. This is what Maimonides wrote:
You write that the rebel leader in Yemen decreed compulsory apostasy for the Jews by forcing the Jewish inhabitants of all the places he had subdued to desert the Jewish religion just as the Berbers had compelled them to do in Maghreb [i.e.Islamic West]. Verily, this news has broken our backs and has astounded and dumbfounded the whole of our community. And rightly so. For these are evil tidings, "and whosoever heareth of them, both his ears tingle (I Samuel 3:11)." Indeed our hearts are weakened, our minds are confused, and the powers of the body wasted because of the dire misfortunes which brought religious persecutions upon us from the two ends of the world, the East and the West, "so that the enemies were in the midst of Israel, some on this side, and some on that side." (Joshua 8:22).

But there is no hint of what Islamic Spain was really like in the admiring, if glancing, reference to that "harmony" in which all three faiths lived, so we are told by the Times in an authoritative, not-to-be-questioned tone -- as if the Reconquistas was some quite unnecessary reaction by some right-wing Christians, and as if any Jews who were unhappy with Islamic rule simply didn't realize how good they had it compared to what they would have had in Western Christendom. And so any testimony by Jews expressing discontent with Muslim rule should simply be discounted.

Now, just to make sure we remember that the building is, or was once, Muslim, there is this bit of architectural appreciation:

The building still retains exquisite red and white arches and gleaming marble columns from the original mosque. It was declared a UNESCO World Heritage site in 1984, and is one of Spain's most popular tourist sites.

See? "Exquisite red and white arches" and "gleaming marble columns" from the "original mosque." And it's a World Heritage site to boot. That is all that matters about the place, even though for nearly 800 years the building has been a church, and even though before the Muslim invaders arrived and built on that spot, what was there before, and what no doubt had its stone quarried to help build, had been not a mosque but a church.

Now, toward the end of the story, after all those details about the beauty of the cathedral that owes it all to its having been a mosque (not a word about anything the Christians might have contributed), and after implanting in the readers' minds the notion of that "harmony" among the three faiths (the only thing missing was the word "abrahamic"), we finally learn that it wasn't such a small group of tourists:

Ortiz said a group of 120 Muslim tourists from Austria entered the mosque Wednesday evening and a handful of them -- six or seven, she said -- started to pray. Security guards told them to stop, but the small group insisted and argued with the guards, so National Police were summoned.

So there were 120 Muslims. Some of them - first described as a "handful" and then later in the sentence as a "small group" (see, not to worry) - apparently "insisted and argued with the guards," who told them to stop prostrating themselves in Muslim prayer in what is, and has been for 800 years, a Christian house of worship. At this point you can imagine what would have happened had, say, a group of 120 Christian pilgrims gone to the Great Umayyad Mosque in Damascus, the one built partly upon the prior-existing Church of St. John the Baptist, and had refused requests by the guards to stop praying, even if their prayers were not noisy and ostentatious, as Muslims prostrating themselves and uttering their phrases in loud unison tend to be, and no doubt were, that day in the cathedral in Cordoba.

And then the security guards called the police and the police came, but that was not enough:

Two of the people praying insisted even then, and got into a shoving match with officers, after which they were arrested for disobeying and threatening law enforcement officers, Ortiz said.

She declined to name them saying only they were men aged 23 and 19. The detainees were to appear before a judge in Cordoba on Friday. Ortiz said had never heard of an incident like this before.

And though just two people were arrested in the end, that was only because the others had stopped, and no doubt because the security guards and the police were outnumbered, and did not want a violent confrontation in the cathedral.

There appears to be a difference of opinion, at least in the Times story (taken from the AP), as to the involvement of the other 118 or 115 Muslims:

The bishop's office in Cordoba said the larger group had acted in a coordinated and aggressive fashion, but Ortiz downplayed that idea.

What does "downplay that idea" mean? Does it mean that what National Police spokeswoman Rosa Ortiz told The Associated Press is right, that the bishop is exaggerating? Or is it not more verisimilar to think that it is the National Police spokeswoman who has a stake in minimizing the incident? Certainly the Times-AP story would have you believe - by giving the last word to - that spokeswoman Rosa Ortiz.

And the last few paragraphs return to the subtle legitimizing of the Muslim claim, to take us away from the central fact: 120 Muslims from Austria entered a building that for 800 years has been a cathedral, and behaved as they would never have allowed any non-Muslims to behave, not for even one minute, in any mosque anywhere in the world. And some of them (how many is a matter of dispute) began to pray by prostrating themselves Mecca-wards and going up-and-down in loud, and quite disruptive unison - disruptive to all the non-Muslims who would have been there at this place, that is among the most visited World Heritage Sites in the world.

Here are the last five sentences, each a separate paragraph:

Mansur Escudero, a Spanish Muslim leader, said he has been pressing the Catholic church for years to let Muslims pray in the mosque, but to no end.

Over the past few decades exceptions were made, at the request of King Juan Carlos, and members of the Saudi royal family were allowed to pray in the mosque, Escudero, who is president of the Islamic Commission of Spain, told the newspaper El Mundo.

Spain has a Muslim community of about 1 million, out of a total population of 45 million.

The building's official title is the ''Mezquita Catedral de Cordoba'' -- the mosque cathedral. Escudero said the name should be changed to ex-mosque cathedral.

''Or just cathedral. If it is not a mosque, they should not call it a mosque,'' he was quoted as saying.

So there we have it. Manuel Escudero, a Muslim leader, had been "pressing the Catholic church for years to let Muslims pray in the mosque, but to no end."

Wait a minute. "Pray in the mosque"? It's a cathedral, remember. It has been a cathedral for 800 years. Why has it become, in this AP retelling, a "mosque"?

And only then he adds:

"Or just cathedral, If it not a mosque, they should not call it a mosque."

He is referring to the fact that the Spanish have kindly alluded to the pre-Christian past of this building, or part of it, by describing it as the "Mezquita Catedral," in order to give the Muslim period of the building's existence its due. But this has been turned on its head, and the fact that the Christians did this, in a spirit of historical understanding, was not received in the same spirit. Instead, it is taken to mean that it is, in some sense, now a mosque and therefore Muslims have a perfect right to enter, by the hundreds possibly, to orient themselves toward Mecca, and start in serried ranks to prostrate themselves and utter their loud exclamations which, if you have ever seen, are the kind of thing that give non-Muslims a shudder. For it is so much a group activity, so collectivist in spirit, so much akin to a fanatical rally of the kind that evokes memories of Nuremberg rather than, say, a town meeting in New England. And it is not only a religious but also an aggressively political statement: we are here, we belong, this is ours because this was once ours and shall be ours again.

All of this is missing from the New York Times account which, by the way, in the edition of the paper I received, had reduced even the story above to a single paragraph, as if the whole thing were not really worth being brought to the attention of readers. When, in the next few years, the full story begins to be told of what is going on in Europe with those many Muslims who have been allowed over just the past few decades - this is no long historical process, extending over centuries, but a recent and possibly fatal error - this kind of coverage in the Times will recall the darkest days of Duranty. Non-Muslims in Europe are beginning to rouse themselves and to become aware, just a little late, of what they have so unnecessarily done, through their lax and lackadaisical immigration policy, and inattention to what makes Muslim immigrants so uniquely threatening. After all, there are dozens of different non-Muslim immigrant groups whose members do, after a while, adapt, accept, and fully integrate into European life - but nowhere in Europe has this been true of all but a handful of the Muslim immigrants, and that handful are those who have taken Islam least to heart.

What did other papers report about the Muslims at the mosque in Cordoba? How did they report it? Did they convey something not conveyed by the report in The New York Times?

Here's a paragraph from the coverage of the incident in the French Le Figaro:

D'après l'évêché, l'événement était planifié. Les hommes auraient investi l'ancienne mosquée par des entrées différentes et se seraient retrouvé à un endroit et une heure précis grâce à des talkies-walkies. En pleine semaine sainte, l'acte est perçu comme une véritable provocation. Dans un communiqué, le porte-parole des Jeunesses musulmanes d'Autriche, qui organisaient le voyage, a toutefois tenu à assurer «que les jeunes n'avaient jamais eu l'intention de provoquer ou de blesser les sentiments des croyants catholiques». «Ils ont été si frappé par l'atmosphère spirituelle qui régnait dans la mosquée-cathédrale, ajoute-t-il, qu'ils se sont spontanément mis à prier, sans imaginer les conséquences que cela pourrait avoir.» Les autorités ecclésiastiques ont reconnu de leur côté être conscientes que «cet incident ponctuel ne représente en rien le comportement des musulmans puisque beaucoup d'entre eux sont ouverts au dialogue et considèrent avec respect l'Eglise Catholique».

In that paragraph we learn something that was completely absent from the New York Times article. We learn that, according to the Office of the Bishop, the whole event was carefully planned.

The [Muslim] men entered the former mosque by different entry-ways [presumably at different times] and gathered at the same time, at the same spot, thanks to their walkie-talkies. This act, in the middle of Holy Week itself, was naturally seen as a real provocation. In a communiqué, the spokesmen of Muslim Youth of Austria, that organized the trip, nonetheless insisted that the "young people did not have any intention of provoking or of injuring the sentiments of Catholic believers." "They were so moved by the spiritual atmosphere of the mosque-cathedral" [hence the walkie-talkies, hence the slow infiltration by different entries, and then the prearranged meeting at a certain time and place within the vast cathedral] he added, "that they spontaneously began to pray, without imagining the consequences that could have."

Oh, I won't bother to give you other accounts, as you can google them for yourself, and compare what was written in the European papers with what appeared in The New York Times (in most editions, I suspect only the single-paragraph abridgement of the AP story).

But I do have one question, one that The New York Times failed to answer. How were that cathedral security guard, how was that Spanish police officer, how did they both happen to be wounded? You see, there was a knife drawn by at least one of the Muslims. Shouldn't that have been part of the story?

You know, a story that were truthful would go something like this:

A deliberately-planned display of Muslim force took place in the cathedral of Cordoba on April 2, in the very middle of Holy Week, the holiest time of the year for Christians. Nearly 120 Muslims from Austria slowly filtered into the cathedral, so as not to attract the attention of guards and, using walkie-talkies, arranged to meet at a certain time, in one of the naves of the cathedral. There a number of them began, in the hush of the Christian services, to turn toward Mecca and prostrate themselves, and to loudly chant in unison. When asked by the security guards to please stop, they refused, and began to threaten the guards who, in turn, had to call for reinforcements from the Spanish police. When the Spanish police arrived, thus further disrupting the holy hush of ancient sacrifice, and the spiritual tranquility of the Christian worshippers, they found the Muslims unwilling to stop. At least one pulled out a knife, and at least two of the Spanish guards, one policeman and one from the cathedral detail, were wounded sufficiently to go to the hospital.

How's that for putting it truthfully?

And what about connecting this act of deliberate aggression with the other acts of Muslim aggression, all over Western Europe, designed to say, as Tariq Ramadan likes to repeat, "It's over. We're here. It's over"?

Is it? Is it "over"? Shall we like sheep sheepishly continue to endure, without complaint, what the New York Times tells us, or fails to tell us, about Islam?

At this point, kindly go back to the beginning of this article, and read all of the first part, that is, the entire list of things about Islam that you would not have learned, had you, over nearly the last decade, relied only on the New York Times, which really must get rid of that now-absurd motto about "All The News That's Fit To Print."

When the Times still manages, willfully, deliberately, after all of its many and severe lapses in the last unappetizing century, to fall down so badly, as it did with the Nazis and did with the Communists, in its coverage, and in its understanding, or failure to understand, Islam, one has to ask those associated with it how they can stand to look at themselves in the mirror. How do they do it? How do they wake up and read what they've produced, with all the resources in the world, and then look at themselves in the mirror and say "Well done, thou good and faithful servant"?

No, not good. Not well done. Not faithful to the truth which, come to think of it, is the first casualty not only of war, but of a certain kind of self-righteous worldview and parti-pris. Yes, the Times is very much parti-pris. And it has come a-cropper. A perfect failure, for Nazis, for Communists, and now in its treatment of the adherents, the ones who take the ideology most to heart, of Islam.

Someone, a complacent Punch, a self-satisfied Pinch, a someone, must be very proud of how the Times is covering -- i.e., not covering -- Islam.

But this can't go on forever.

For it's a Triumph -- a Trifecta, forsooth -- of irresponsibility and even idiocy.

Nobody's perfect, Billy Wilder has reminded us. But this is ridiculous.

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Imagine what would have happened had 120 Jews gone to stealthily pray inside Al-Aksa on the Temple Mount? They would have provoked riots and possibly a regional war. Yet the Waqf runs Al-Aqsa as a gesture of goodwill from Israel (Halacha forbids Jews to pray there anyway).
I stopped reading the Times around the fall of 2000, after Ariel Sharon's appearance at the Mount triggered the Intifada that resulted in the suicide bombings in Israel. I had had it with precisely the sort of pablum Hugh discusses above; especially its advocacy journalism arguing that an Israeli withdrawal from land taken in the 67 war was necessary for peace. In fact, the withdrawals after Oslo along with the transfer of the PLO from Tunis proved disastrous. Yet, so many journalists have learned nothing from events, but cling to their ignorant cathechisms.
My ancestors were Iberian (as per my DNA), but my immediate forebears lived in Eastern European, having fled the Inquisition. Neither Christianity nor Islam were good for Jews. The difference is, Christianity has advanced since 1492.

Islam is shameful and The New York Times is shameful. And yet both are praised to this day in many quarters. Indicative of the deluded world we live in. At times (excuse the pun) like these I'm inclined to think Napoleon may have been right after all when he observed that history is a pack of lies agreed upon. Of course, I will continue to fight this cynical assessment in the belief that truth almost always prevails in the end and that, though often elusive, it can be found out eventually. Still, phenomena like The New York Times and Islam make for a tempting disregard of the notion that truth is ultimately victorious. I must remind myself regularly to disregard this temptation even though I am encouraged to do so by the continued existence of errors like Islam and the Times.

The only religion that the NYT will scandalize is Roman Catholicism. When it comes to Islam, you can expect nothing other then a complete whitewashing of the truth.

Great job, as usual, Hugh. You are so very thorough and your thoroughness is not for naught. There are those of us out here who read your superbly written articles regularly. And, even if we do not often leave a comment, we are being educated, piecemeal, about the true nature of Islam and Islamic sharia. The great Spanish Monsignor and founder of Opus Dei, St. Josemaria Escriva, was fond of repeating the Spanish(?) proverb: "Men, like fish, are caught by the head". And he did this to encourage his sons and daughters in "the Work", as it is affectionately known, to keep well-informed and to be able to explain their faith to others, to give people reasoned opinions as to why they are Catholic, not just emotions. By your writings, you are giving us the reasons to believe that the MSM is simply not doing its job and that Islam and sharia are not being presented are they are in FACT, but as whitewashed and harmless. Thank you for all your work in the ongoing global effort to get the truth out about Islam.

via American Thinker, 3-30-2010

The New York Times and CNN are both circling the drain, looking at each other across the vortex swirling both of them toward unprofitability and ultimate insolvency.

"Circling the drain" . . .well deserved.

What happened on the cathedral, was clearly a retaliation, just like other similar acts that they´ve performed on other places across Europe.
They entered in small groups, coordinated themselves with walkie-talkies, and gathered together at the same spot. Then, under the command of one man acting as imam, they began to pray heading Mecca. The fact that at this that time there was a mass celebrating didn´t disturbed them. The fact that it was a holy day, Holy Wednesday, one of the festivities of the Semana Santa, didn´t bothered them.
And so on...
When the secutirty guards asked them to stop (as the muslim cult is forbidden inside the cathedral by the bishop office), they overreacted in a such manner as to force the security personnel to ask for backup to the anti-riot police. In the meantime, one of the muslims wielded a knife, injuring a guard, and later one of the cops.
Two muslims were arrested, and few days later, freed with charges, passports held by the police, and with orders to not leave the country as they´re waiting for a court´s appointment.

Sorry for my english if it´s a little messy.

Next year in Al-Aska? (did it used be be something else before it became off limits?)

Thanks for bringing this issue the attention it deserves. I delved into it and found a few controversial items:

The incident happened during Easter Week, on Holy Thursday. Did they think no one would notice? Some news agencies did, but as you've written, there was much ignored, omitted, or distorted.

I read a few accounts of the incident in Arabic, and they are egregiously biased, as one would expect. Even the more moderate Cairo-based Ash-Sharook (The East) tips its hand with this headline:

"The release of 2 muslims arrested for attempting to pray in a a cathedral that was converted from a mosque 8 centuries ago."

The Saudi-funded, London-based Ash-Sharq Al-Awsat (The Middle East) is even more biased:

"2 Muslim tourists arrested for praying in the Mosque of Cordoba, which had been transformed into a church"

As you would expect, neither Arabic article mentions the fact that the Muslims converted the Visigoth church of St. Vincent to a mosque in the year 786.

As a comparison, I sampled reports from Austria, France, Spain, and Germany

One report from OE24, an Austrian news-site allowed comments from the Austrian Muslim Youth (MJO) group leader, Osman. He said that the event was not premeditated and that the walkie-talkies were for coordination of the tour only. He claims the event was spontaneous. So, twenty Muslims, in a Catholic Cathedral, during Holy Week, decide to get in a line, face towards Mecca, bow down, and start praying, and this is called spontaneous?

Only the Spanish press, El Mundo, reports that the two Muslim Youths' passports were withheld pending charges of attempted homicide.

The MJO website, of course, mentions nothing of the affair.

Now, if some angry Spanish Catholic had bellowed out "Viva San Diego Matamoros!" as these Muslim interlopers, wouldn't the international media be oh so alarmed that such bigotry remains among Catholics?

For the record, I am a God-bless-King-Billy Calvinist.

Great and informative article Hugh.

A few months ago I visited the Cathedral of Córdoba but I only saw a few vailed Muslim women. Everything was peaceful and quiet.

The Spanish daily paper El Pais adds some info and sarkastic remark to the recent Muslim provocation:

“In 2004, the Islamic Commission of Spain, with the support of the Spanish Socialist Party, officially asked the Vatican to grant the right of Muslims to pray at the mosque-cathedral.

The Holy See categorically refused.

In 2006, the Archbishop of Cordoba did not change positions.

In October, 2007, the Arab League asked for this right at a conference of the OSCE and the Islamic Commission of Spain in November, 2008, asked UNESCO, still without success.”

Perhaps they are waiting for Christians to be invited to pray at the Great Mosque of Mecca."

The official Spanish pamphlet in my posession states:

THE MOTHER CHURCH OF THE DIOCESES

The cathedral of Cordóba is not simply a monument or a temple of different cultures; nor is it a mosque, but the Mother Church of the Dioceses. The term "cathedral" derives from "cathedra", or seat of the bishop, from where he acts as the pastor of all his people. That is why a cathedral is the express image of the Church of Christ that preaches, sings, and adores throughout the world. ...

The Cathedral is alive, it is witness to our history. It acts as a book that conveys the message to those who will read it, the message of the altar, the naves, the altarpieces ... teaching us to know and love God, the world, and the human being.

THE ORIGINS

Beneath every cathedral is always a bed of hidden cathedrals. In the case of Córdoba, tradition traces back to its Visigoth origins. This fact is confirmed by archeological excavations, whose remains can be found at the Museum of San Vicente and in the pits where the remains of mosaics from the ancient Christian temple can be observed on site.

It is a historical fact that the basilica of San Vicente was expropriated and destroyed in order to build what would later be the Mosque, a reality that questions the theme of tolerance that was supposedly cultivated in the Córdoba of the moment. This was the main church of the city, a martyry basilica from the 6th century, that would be remembered and venerated by Christians, centuries after its destruction.

You ask the question: "Was Cordoba, was Islamic Spain itself, a place where "Muslims, Christians, and Jews" all lived in splendid harmony?"

Very few people here in Spain believe in such PC nonsens, they actually know their own history. I like to draw the attention of JW readers to an excellent article "THE MYTH OF THE ANDALUSIAN PARADISE" from 2006 by Darió Fernández-Morera, Associate Professor of Spanish and Portuguese and of Comparative Literature at Northwestern University. He is also a member of the National Council on the Humanities.

Link:

http://www.mmisi.org/ir/41_02/fernandez-morera.pdf



According to the Spanish website for the Cathedral, it was originally built as a Roman basilica to Juno, then it became a church, then a mosque, then a church again.

Timeline:
Roman Basilica dedicated to Juno - ca. 113 BC - ca. 500 AD
Church of San Vincente - ca. 500-786 AD
Mosque of Cordoba - 786-1236
Cathedral of Our Lady of the Assumption, 1236-present

The Berbers captured Cordoba in 711, so for 70 odd years, the church was functioning before it was "bought", torn down, and a mosque was built over it, using most of the columns, bricks, and arches.

There's a neat graphic timeline on the site:
http://www.infocordoba.com/espana/andalucia/cordoba/mezquita-catedral.htm#Mezquita_primitiva

Hugh, you may have touched on why the NYT is growing ever more insolvent. It has ceased to be an instrument to inform Americans about the world in which they live in, and has become a mere institution that continues and has people believe it should continue only because "it has always been there".

I can hear someone in the _Times_ editorial office (Friedman? Kristof?) whimpering, "We don't want to be responsible for hate crimes against Muslims should we report that the Muslims injured a security guard and a policeman." Well, I've watched my countrymen since 9/11/01, and I have yet to see the mob actions and daily screeds of inflammatory rhetoric that would have been the case had the shoe been on the other foot.

The Times can be used to light fires, line bird cages and wrap fish.

No, they're just ordinary or, in the case of Tom Friedman, a comical blend of smug self-satisfaction, ignorance and, above all, stupidity. If Friedman, or those who write for or run the Times, were not in positions where others take them seriously, may even take them as reliable guide to current reality, we wouldn't care. It's their mind-forged manacles: they just don't know how to free themselves. And they won't try. And they are lazy. And they are irresponsible. As I said -- very ordinary. But with power.

The muslim prayer-razzia is only the latest manifestation

BBC World Service has a not entirely dhimmified piece by
David Edmonds datelined Nov 13, 2009

http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/worldagenda/2009/11/091113_worldagenda_cordoba.shtml

"The tour guides here promote a belief that the period under Islamic rule wasa utopia of tolerance, where Jews and Christians could co-exist and the three monotheistic faiths lived in blissful harmony.

The reality was more nuanced. There was an era of relative leniency from the 10th century, but with Christian armies re-conquering territory from the north, and fundamentalist Islam from the south, moderate Islamic rule soon descended into brutality and fanaticism. And even in the age when Jews and Christians could practice their faith in relative peace, they remained subservient to the ruling Muslims. Muslims could ride horses, others only donkeys."

The article also describes incidents where individual moslems had been furtively kneeling to prayer and had been moved on by security guards.

There is a more charactistically fawning piece Dec 28 2006
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6213665.stm
that describes the refusal by the Bishop of Cordoba to a the request made by Spain's Islamic Board. It had asked that his Cathedral become an 'ecumenical temple' and that moslems should be allowed to hold prayers in the Cathedral.
There's a similar piece May 1 2004
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/3673323.stm
This was not long after the March 11 2004 Madrid train bombings.


.. and 4 March 2002 a piece about a "World Conference on Women and Islam" describes a more organised effort to pray in the Cathedral.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1852971.stm

"The conference concluded that it was up to western societies to change their views of Islam and to counteract negative images of Islam in the media."
That sounds familiar, it's all our fault.

"Controversy came when a group of about 20 delegates, men and women, insisted on praying inside..."(the Cathedral).

"Yusuf Fernandez, of the Spanish Federation of Islamic Groups, said it was part of an ongoing campaign to change the status of the former mosque"(sic).
There you have it, an ongoing 'campaign' (aka jihad).

Within the next decade or so, Muslims in Europe will bring upon themselves the bloodthirsty wrath of a reactionary nativist movement.

Or, I should say, a series of reactionary nativist movements.

I was rapt as I read it, brilliant even by Hugh's standards !

I thought only the Indian Times, that is The Times of India, was a dhimmi paper. Small consolation that other societies too are infested with the same sort.

Also, the whole incident tells me (and by the way, I did not know it was so well organized and it was done in the middle of an important christian ceremony ! So much more outrageous it was than I earlier thought), what a great achievement Hindus have in reclaiming the ancient and important Ram Janambhoomi temple site at Ayodhya after demolishing the mosque structure. Muslims won't dare to attempt such things there.

Exellent article, Hugh. Bravo!

@Sanjay_111

"I thought only the Indian Times, that is The Times of India, was a dhimmi paper. Small consolation that other societies too are infested with the same sort."

It seems all mainstream papers are the same. New Zealand, Australia, the UK, the Netherlands, Scandinavia.....

Why...?
Just follow the money.
Who is the biggest or one of the biggest shareholders of News Corp., AOL Time Warner and Citigroup.?
Saudi Arabia’s Kingdom Holding Company, owned by the Saudi prince Alwaleed ibn Talal.
News Corp., AOL Time Warner and Citigroup. are the parent companies of several media comapanise such as CNN, FOX and Time.

Who are the main shareholders of the Indian Times Sanjay_111?

An Indian named Vineet Jain owns TOI. I assume he inherited it from his father who, in turn, would have bought it from the departing British.

TOI's journalistic and editorial tradition was always against nationalist India and it was always dominated by those we call "westernized Indians", mostly Hindus, completely cut off from the indigenous Hindu tradition and unmindful of more traditionalist Hindu sentiments.

In the instance of Ramjanambhoomi, it was an ancient and highly revered temple destroyed by Muslim invader Babur to humiliate the defeated Hindus and highlight our subjugated status. He built a mosque over it.

Hindus never gave up the claim over the site and tried to reclaim it in 80s and 90s which led to the biggest mass movement in India's history, eventually culminating in the destruction of the mosque and the site being converted to a de - facto Hindu temple though a proper construction is still not allowed and the matter is pending in courts.

TOI, of course, took a completely pro Muslim line since in India, westernized Hindus belong to the same tribe that "liberals" do in the US. They call themselves secularists and instinctively oppose anything that smacks of giving space to indigenous Hindu traditions and sentiments and are completely unmindful of the jihad threat and insist on treating, against all evidence to the contrary on the subcontinent, Islam as "just another religion" and even "a religion of peace".

Sanjay

... one has to ask those associated with it how they can stand to look at themselves in the mirror. How do they do it?

They have a lot of help. From the schools, starting in kindegarten all the up to those powerful islands of Marxism called law schools, and from virtually every teacher working in this country, they get help from the government's unelected bureaucrats, our permanent governors, they get help from every local TV station and every national network, including Fox News, they get help from nearly every other newspaper still in existence, they get help from the clergy, both Christian and Judaic, they get help from nearly every major philantrophic foundation, they get help from opinion sensitive CEOs in every industrial sector, they get help from all these sources and more.

*** Bukhari Vol 2 Bk 24 Nbr 555 ***

The NYT is only the tip of the iceberg, a sprawling loosely organized ideology machine that somehow decided upon a system of causal analysis that pukes out the same tired fake hitories -- contemporary, modern and far past -- that are accepted without thought by citizens who went through that school system and read all that doggerel and watched all those TV broadcasts. Hell, we've even got the fake science going now.

*** Bukhari Vol 6 Bk 60 Nbr 662 ***

Fictive Reality. Sleepwalking. Absence of inquiry and critical thought. The embrace of good racism over the old racism. Intellectual laziness. The rise of a socialist political economy.

*** 5:41 ***

All this is a recipe for disaster; the frog is just starting to notice the steaming bubbles all about him.

Shalom, Jewdog, my background's the same - Spain, Poland, but then Britain, and onwards.

Closer to the thread, the British BBC has gone down the same drain, the only difference being that - once upon a time - it was a decent news organisation. So I'm told. Thanks for the links, Tom.

Hugh's fine article carefully turns over the rock that the New York Times has deliberately placed over this incident, uncovering its alarming nature. The additional information Tom Billesley provides in his comment above widens the picture out even further: not only was this particular incident a planned swarm of proto-supremacist Islamo-jingoism: the incident itself turns out to be one part of a larger swarm of similar incidents over a long period of time, reflecting the nature of Islamic conquest in general, an invasion of army ants -- or jihad ants -- composed of successive, concentric pullulations.

Hugh also mentioned the Islamic practice of kitman -- which usually involves telling part of the truth while concealing part of the truth, with the overarching purpose being to protect the truth -- violent jihad -- from being discovered. This New York Times article, as Hugh has dissected it, is itself an example of the structural form of kitman: one part after another of the whole truth of the incident at Cordoba has been deliberately left out or euphemistically described (e.g., referring to the Muslims involved as "tourists"). Now, when I say "deliberately" I don't mean that the reporters and editors responsible for this reportage are consciously and willfully protecting violent jihad -- that would be kitman: but they are deliberately doing something, for this reportage -- as Hugh has dissected it and compared it with the data of the actual event being reported -- bears the marks of too many strokes of deliberate airbrushing of the truth and covering (not "covering" as in "covering the news" but as in "concealing") of many of its rougher edges. We are not going to accuse the New York Times of classical kitman -- concealing part of the ugly alarming truth of violent jihad in order to protect its clandestine operation during a context of temporary weakness, but we do accuse it of a curious subtype of kitman:

concealing part of the ugly alarming truth in the orbit of Islam in order to protect Islam and the vast majority of Muslims from the far uglier and more alarming bigotry among non-Muslim Westerers that would naturally arise were the Islamic data in question thoroughly reported.

In the pursuit of this anxious concern, the New York Times and other dhimmi news sources throughout the West are aiding and abetting kitman and by extension the violent jihad which kitman seeks to protect. Western news media don't realize they are doing this, of course. They sincerely believe they are on the side of the angels in protecting Islam and Muslims from that thought crime worse than all others: Western bigotry -- which in turn will lead inexorably to worse crimes against Muslims unless the New York Times, and the BBC, and most other Western news media, stand as a bulwark against the West's natural proclivity toward bigotry. The increasing violence, as well as the increasing rhetoric and thuggery of Islamo-jingoism among Muslims all over the world and in the West only makes the New York Times even more anxious to make sure the West does not "over-react"; and so it redoubles its kitman reportage.

The New York Times could change its motto from "All the news that's fit to print" to "Pack up your troubles in your old kitman and smile, smile, smile!"

Hey Hugh

Do you not have a job. Are you feeling jealous that New York Times did not hire you ?

You are making a mountain over a molehill.

Bye the bye you cannot deny that Islamic spain and cordoba in general did produce some great civilizational works like the philosopher Averroes.

Even the arch-Islamophobe Dante Alighieri showed respect to Averroes in his work "Inferno".

Now tell me what did Visigoth Spain achieve ?

You very effectively did not mention that Visigoths were also invaders to the Spain.
So even if the Muslims were invaders to the spanish region they only invaded the invaders that is the "Visigoths".

And you also did not mention that the Visigoth church in question were built upon after destroying a Roman temple.

I would love to know why you did not mention these facts in your writing.

Another point , mentioning some Islamophobe , bigots in your writing like Ibn Sina , Ayan Hirsi Ali , Noni Darwish , Magdi Allam or Andrew Bostom does not make lies true.

A serious reader can differentiate between good historian work and lies and half-truths spread around by the above mentioned merchants of hate.

A little correction , Dante mentioned Averroes in "The Divine Commedy".

Debanjan Banerjee:

Perhaps you were absent that day from Logic class, but "Tu Quoque" (viz the Visigoths)(sorry, couldn't resist) and "Ad Hominem" (viz "Islamophobe bigots") "arguments" are actually fallacies and not logical arguments properly so-called.

So while you have taken up Comment space, you haven't actually said anything intelligent. Thanks for coming out. Go back to sleep; I'm afraid you're in over your head on this blog. Try Farmville, I hear it's all the rage among lightweights. Oops, I made an 'ad hominem'; forgive me.

DB --

1) Inferno is not different from, but a subset to (to wit, the first part) of The Divine Comedy.

2) Why should the Visigoths be mentioned at all? Of what relevance are the Visigoths to the fact of Muslim conquest and Muslim rule? I don't much care for the Visigoths myself, and would, had I been discussing the Visigoths, have explained why. But I wasn't.

3) Averrroes, Ibn Sina, as you must know, came to be regarded within Islam as a dangerous freethinker, and his significance was not in the Islamic world, but in the non-Islamic world of Western Christendom. So your touching attempt to claim him -- it's a common Muslim practice, listing over and over and over again the same dozen names, as if we are all supposed to be impressed.

Why don't you, instead, ask yourself why High Islamic Civilization consists of a dozen or two dozen names, while there are thousands upon thousands of such names, of writers, philosophers, painters, musicians, political thinkers, scientists, in the Western world?

And why don't you ask about those dozen or two dozen names, finding out whether or not they were indeed orthodox Muslims or, as in the cases of Averroes and Ibn Rushd, regarded as dangerous freethinker? Why don't you find out why so few important figures come out of the world of Islam, and ask yourself why science developed in the West but not under Islam?

Finally, why don't you think about how, after the first few centuries High Islamic Civilization died out (no, it was not flourishing and then suddenly extinguished by Hulegu and the Mongols, but was already in a state of decay), and what might be the most plausible explanation for that.

I have presented my own hypothesis here, many times. And that is that while in the first two or three centuries of Islam, with a small ruling class of Muslim Arabs initially lording it over a much larger class of conquered non-Muslims, over time more and more of the latter converted to Islam in order to join the faith of the conqueror and to avoid the hardships, often onerous, of the status of dhimmi. But in converting, that did not mean an imeediate intellectual conversion to the ways of thought of those who had, for centuries, been in a wholly Islmaic milieu. The milieu remained, during those first centuries of Muslim conquest, in the main non-Muslim. And those who converted to Islam, but whose mental formation took place in a non-Islamic milieu, and sometimes even their children or grandchildren, continued to exhibit the intellectual curiosity and mental freedom of non-Muslims. When their numbers shrank, and the "Muslim" lands became far more monotonously Islam, that "Islamic civilization," far from flourishing, declined, and has been in decline for eight hundred, nine hundred, close to a thousand years.

It is Islam itself that explains the decline of Islamic civilization. That is impossible for most Muslims to accept, or even to dare to think about. But that doesn't prevent the rest of us from thinking about it.

Debanjan Banerjee sez: "You are making a mountain over a molehill."

Millions of moles makes a molestation.

The greatness of Hugh's work is not in the size of the incident, but in the size of the underlying journalistic principles and consequent understanding. If you see only 120 tourists, a scuffle with two tourists and two officers wounded, then you see nothing. Do you see that little spot on your lung X-ray? Don't worry, it's just a little spot.

Many a little makes a mickle.
-- Old Scottish Proverb

The career of Averroes demonstrates the problem of Islam rather than, as Debanjan Banerjee claims, the greatness of Islam.

From the Catholic Encyclopedia:

Under the Califs Abu Jacub Jusuf and his son, Jacub Al Mansur, [Averroes] enjoyed extraordinary favor at court and was entrusted with several important civil offices at Morocco, Seville, and Cordova. Later he fell into disfavor and was banished with other representatives of learning. Shortly before his death, the edict against philosophers was recalled. Many of his works in logic and metaphysics had, however, been consigned to the flames, so that he left no school, and the end of the dominion of the Moors in Spain, which occurred shortly afterwards, turned the current of Averroism completely into Hebrew and Latin channels, through which it influenced the thought of Christian Europe down to the dawn of the modern era.

So we can see that what intellectual advances Averroes made were, after a brief time of early support (probably because he hadn't yet come out of the skeptical closet), met with hostility from his Islamic milieu, and were stifled after his death and prevented from taking root to grow and flourish. His intellectual advances had to find a more hospitable milieu in order to take root and flourish: the medieval West (though apparently after the time of Aquinas there was in the West some hostility to the ideas of Averroes, particularly his elevation of philosophy to a position higher than theology/religion).

Another Andalusian Muslim whose incipient intellectual curiosity never got off the ground (pun intended) was Ibn Firnas who in the middle of the 9th century was apparently the first person in history to attempt flight with a construction of wings (he fell and injured himself and apparently never tried again). The historian of technology Lynn White, Jr. (1907-1987) in his study on the history of flight mentions that while Ibn Firnas's attempts and writings greatly intrigued medieval Westerners (mostly Christian monks, by the way) and inspired them to try to replicate his experiment and perfect it, Ibn Firnas's reputation and memory was denigrated by Muslims of his time and later, and his attempts were all but forgotten in the Muslim world.

We know what happened eventually with the Western interest in flight. Though it would take some time, it took off literally like a rocket: dirigibles, planes, rockets, missiles, jets, helicopters, satellites, the Moon landing...

What is the argument of these "Muslims" who wish to "pray" in what has been a Christian and specifically Roman Catholic cathedral for nearly 8 centuries?. That as it once was a mosque, it is somehow forever a mosque in perpetuity?(ignoring the fact that before that it was a cathedral in the first place) I can well imagine the reaction if I as a Catholic tried to pray in a mosque that was once a (deconsecrated) Catholic church by its present worshippers. This is no more than a triumphalist display based on the time honoured argument that "What's mine is mine, whereas what's yours is always negotiable". The Cathedral authorities should make it to clear that if any "non-believers" (esp Muslims) wish to pray, they can do so in the ir places of worship- and if this is "Islamophobic", then so be it- it's still light years from Saudi Arabia and Pakistan and other Islamic societies who refuse to allow constructions of Christian churches and even private worship! To hell with this intellectual "dhimmitude" so prevalent in the West!

Terry

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“My comrade-in-arms, my pal, my buddy.”
Oriana Fallaci

“Robert Spencer incarnates intellectual courage when, all over the world, governments, intellectuals, churches, universities and media crawl under a hegemonic Universal Caliphate’s New Order. His achievement in the battle for the survival of free speech and dignity of man will remain as a fundamental monument to the love of, and the self-sacrifice for, liberty.”
Bat Ye’or

“Robert Spencer is indefatigable. He is keeping up the good fight long after many have already given up. I do not know what we would do without him. I appreciate all the intelligence and courage it takes to keep going despite the appeasement of the West.”
Ibn Warraq

“America's most informed, fearless, and compelling voice on modern jihadism.”
Andrew C. McCarthy, Senior Fellow at National Review Institute

“Robert Spencer is the leading voice of scholarship and reason in a world gone mad. If the West is to be saved, we will owe Robert Spencer an incalculable debt.”
Pamela Geller, Atlas Shrugs

"The consummate Islam critic and expert." — Bruce Bawer

“Over the years, we have become friends, and I have received his assistance on several pieces of legislation I proposed.”
Former Congressman Tom Tancredo

“Few people are capable of applying scholarship, analytical reasoning, and objectivity to their topic -- while simultaneously being readable and witty -- as can Robert Spencer.”
Raymond Ibrahim

“A national treasure...The acclaimed scholar of Islam.”
Frank Gaffney, Center for Security Policy

“I am indeed honored to call him my friend.”
Brad Thor, novelist

“A top American analyst of Islam....A serious scholar...I learn from him.”
Daniel Pipes

“A brilliant scholar and writer.”
Douglas Murray

"One of my best teachers."
Ashraf Ramelah, Voice of the Copts

“Thank God there’s at least one man with balls left in the West.”
Kathy Shaidle, Five Feet of Fury

“I read people like [Mark Steyn] and Bob Spencer and the rest of them, and I say, ‘Boortz, you’re pretending you’re an author. These people really are. They really write some entertaining, some standup stuff.’”
Neal Boortz

“Robert Spencer is the Stephen King of Jihad.”
Chris Gaubatz, Muslim Mafia

“Armed with facts and fearlessness, Spencer stands up for Western civilization.”
Michelle Malkin

“Widely read in conservative foreign policy circles.”
New York Times

“Widely read in many quarters in Washington.”
Washington Post

“A canny operative who likely has the inside track on the State Department’s Middle East affairs desk should the tea party win the White House.”
New York Magazine

“A hero of the American right.”
Karen Armstrong

"The leading anti-Islamic intellectual in the United States....The go-to Islam expert for the right wing."
Salon Magazine

“Robert Spencer is an Edward Said turned upside down.”
Stephen Suleyman Schwartz

“One of the nation's most notorious Islamophobes.”
Hamas-linked CAIR

"Geller and Spencer are probably the most important propagandizing Islamophobes in the world. These people's voices speak very loudly — not just here in the United States but overseas."
Heidi Beirach, Southern Poverty Law Center

“Satanic ignoramus.”
Khaleel Mohammed

“The Likud anti-Christ.”
Dar al-Hayat newspaper (Saudi Arabia)

“Zionist Crusader, missionary of hate, counter-Islam consultant.”
Al-Qaeda’s Adam Gadahn, “Azzam the American”



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