Indonesia: Thousands of enraged Muslims attack Christian center, destroy cars, burn buildings

Why? There were rumors that the Christians were going to build a church. Sharia forbids Christians to build new churches or repair old ones. "West Java, thousands of Islamic extremists attack a Christian center," by Mathias Hariyadi for AsiaNews, April 28 (thanks to Block Ness):

Jakarta (AsiaNews) - Thousands of Muslim extremists attacked a Christian educational center in Bogor regency, West Java province, Indonesia. The toll from yesterday's attack is three destroyed cars and several buildings damaged or burnt. The wrath of fundamentalists was unleashed, and encouraged by the local Council of Ulema (MUI), by unsubstantiated rumours that the Christian community BKP Penabur were planning "to build a place of worship" within the complex.

Targeted attacks against the Christian community continue in the regency of Bogor, coupled with the impotence of the Indonesian authorities unable to stop the violence with a religious background. Yesterday morning, thousands of Islamic extremists attacked and set fire to the center of the Foundation Penabur BPK, despite the garrison erected earlier by hundreds of police.

The fundamentalists destroyed and burned three cars a part of the 10 buildings that make up the whole Christian complex. The Muslims anger was spurred on by rumours that the leaders of the foundation wanted to construct a chapel. The rumours were groundless, but were enough to ignite minds and incite the crowd. Local sources, on condition of anonymity, tell AsiaNews that the attackers were "people from the neighbouring sub-districts Cisaura and Ciawi. One detail that, in reality, shows the attacks were well orchestrated....

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Defender of Islam, justify this one.

Take a look at Europe in 35 years.

They are only doing what Mo/allah and Quran teach them to do. Just a normal everyday jihad for the common "moderate" Muslims!!! This is a normal behavior for Muslims and they will do it wherever they can. Lets see if the likes of NYT and other MSM even report it top their viewers - perhaps its news not "fit to print". This where POTUS grew up!!!

This is where POTUS grew up!!!

"Thousands of Muslim extremists attacked a Christian educational center in Bogor regency, West Java province, Indonesia."

I am just wondering why does this story report "thousands of Muslim extremists.." and not just "thousands of Muslims..."


"The fundamentalists destroyed and burned three cars a part of the 10 buildings that make up the whole Christian complex."

Again the crowd is referred to as "fundamentalists" - as if the reporter knows it can't be just ordinary plain Muslims!!!

One may conclude that all those Muslims are nothing but extremists and fundamentalists!!!

The fundamentalists destroyed...

Yeah, they always do...These fundamentalists, were not radicalized, or extreme to any degree...They were just plain folks from the local community, practicing every day Islamic religious ritual...It's amazing how thousands of devout can manifest themselves in the streets in about thirty seconds...
And all know they are there to attack Christians...How do they do that? Mental telepathy? Some kind of 100th monkey number, we don't know about? Maybe Allah really does talk to them...

This is a first-rate example of the disconnect between the actual discrimination and violence afflicting religious minorities in the Muslim world...and the bogus "Islamophobia" that supposedly permeates the West. It's high frigg'n time that Western Muslim advocacy groups like CAIT start answering for the vicious behavior of Muslims in Muslim-majority countries.

No 'tiny-minority-of-extremists' cop-out will suffice here. This is not about terrorists, this is about mob violence perpetrated by thousands, the infamous "Muslim street".

That was "CAIR" of course.

I remember seeing t6housands of Danes in Demark firebombing Islamist center and Islamist schools.

"...thousands of Islamic extremists attacked and set fire to the center of the Foundation Penabur BPK, despite the garrison erected earlier by hundreds of police."

Hundreds of police were there? Imagine the number of "extremists" had police not been there. Probably in the hundreds of thousands.

Headline should read: "Yesterday morning, thousands of Islamic FUNDAMENTALISTS attacked" ...

To simply say that they are "extremists" is false and suggests that this mob of muslims are some fringe-group acting outside of islamic norms -- not so.

"DefenderofIslam" wrote:

I remember seeing t6housands of Danes in Demark firebombing Islamist center and Islamist schools.
....................

You're on crack. You "remember seeing this"—where? Find a reference for this (and no—a note from your Imam does not count).

"I remember seeing t6housands of Danes in Demark firebombing Islamist center and Islamist schools."

Okay, defenderofislam......put the crack pipe down and slooowly back away!

So we will be expecting thousands to be brought up on Indonesian Islamic blasphemy law charges, because destroying buildings suspected of being new Churches is against Islamic norms, and therefore is blasphemy. Right?

Don't hold your breath.

Muslim democracy in action. It has been this way since its birth in 1998 when "pro-democracy" mobs pogromed Chinese Cristians and Buddhists, murdered them and committed mass rapes of Chinese women in Indonesia. In the middle of those atrocities, the obscene Madeline Albright and the obscene Al Gore praised the thugs as "reformasi pro-democracy activists". That same year, Albright and Gore were whipping up the hate campaign against the Serb people who were trying to defend themselves and their families from Kosovar Albanian Muslim kidnappers, rapists, torturers, mutilators and murderers. The very next year, they and other American and English war criminals led NATO into a war on the Serbian people on the sadistic, murderous terrorists' side. All to please the Muslims.
The unspeakable evil the United States and England did unto the Serb people who had never spilled one drop of Anglo blood in their entire history. Not even in self-defense when American and English war criminals were bombing and destroying their country and burning them and their children alive.

Ruslan Tokhchukov, EnragedSince1999.

articel from several weeks ago on this topic:

Theresia Sufa and Hasyim Widhiarto, The Jakarta Post, Bogor/Jakarta | Tue, 04/13/2010 9:25 AM

"The administration said they had to take such a decision following protests from nearby residents and several Islamic organizations, which joined together under the Indonesian Muslims Communication Forum (Forkami), in strongly opposing the establishment of the church.

“We are very confused with the sudden sealing off,” GKI reverend Ujang Tanusaputra said on Sunday. “For more than two years, we could not run the construction of the church smoothly as local residents continue to protest.

On Saturday evening, without prior notification, a group of officers from Bogor public order agency sealed off the entrance to church which was under construction.

After the closure, hundreds of members of the church congregation had no option except to run their Sunday service on the street in front of their sealed church.

According to Ujang, the GKI congregation obtained a building permit from Bogor municipality in July 2006.
The administration, however, retracted the permit two years later, citing endless protests from local residents against the church."

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2010/04/13/bogor-church-runs-services-street-after-closure.html

Today they kill you for a cartoon ... but there is no end to their grievances ...

DefenderofIslam..."I remember seeing t6housands of Danes in Demark firebombing Islamist center and Islamist schools.

Thousands huh...I wonder what the Mahoundians did to tick them off that much?

I agree Cornelius. We must see Islam versus Democracy as an international issue and Jihad Watch and Atlas Shrugs, FFI etc are great in monitoring (mis)behavior of Muslims worldwide. And make us ever more knowledgeable about Islamic teachings, in texts and sayings of it's leaders in connection with that behavior or lack thereof.

About holding Muslims and organisations like CAIR accountable for behavior of Muslims worldwide. This is resisted by Muslims and PCMC alike on the grounds that they can only be held accountable for what happens in the countries they reside in.

This is very disadvantageous for Western people and their say "co-religionists" in Islamic countries. Who are much worse (mal)treated minorities than the Islamic ones in Democratic countries.

I see somehow a loyalty-question and loyalty-contract coming into play. I asked a so-called moderate Dutch-Turkish Muslim yesterday if he was loyal first and foremost loyal to the "Ummah" or his country. He said his country after some hesitation. OK, loyalty to country trumping loyalty to Islam is good, but trust must be built by Muslims in "signing contracts", swearing oaths, and proving in sayings and behavior their attitude in this effect.

If Muslims were to be honest and saying that their primary loyalty is to Islam, the Ummah, then I say that they indeed must be held accountable for how the worldwide Ummah behaves. To minorities who should be in our own "Democratic Ummah".

I don't know which ones, but I think there should be consequences if Muslims in spirit support the oppressors of our worldwide fellow-democratic people.

Cornelius | April 28, 2010 8:43 AM | Reply
That was "CAIR" of course.

I thought the T was the better way of spelling it.

Council on American-Islamic Terrorists

Demsci,

Good points.

The bottom line regarding CAIR (CAIT for "free") is that they can't continue to claim that the Islam practiced throughout the world has no implications for America and Americans. If religious minorities suffer such liabilities throughout Darul Islam, what is to prevent such conditions from being imported here?

Australia Helps Build Islamic Boarding Schools (and mosques)

There is no end to this. Australia's enlightened progressive "modest" KRudd leaves a trail of destruction, just like his adopted Muslim brother, big O in the US of A:

http://www.tempointeractive.com/hg/nasional/2010/04/28/brk,20100428-243922,uk.html

[b]Defender of Islam, justify this one.[/b]

[b]I remember seeing t6housands of Danes in Demark firebombing Islamist center and Islamist schools.[/b]

Amazing, hit his knee and he replies with this stuff like clockwork. I doubt he'd have to even be awake to type that reply.

No bothering with "Well that's terrible! That's certainly not justifiable in TRUE Islam..." Just straight into a tu quoque irrelevancy about Danish crusaders that somehow justifies this Indonesian attack.

Some here have said DefenderofIslam was making this event up, not true!

[i]from World news live from Al Jazeera's Kuala Lumpur broadcast centre:[/i] "Thousands of Danes have thronged the streets of the capital city of Denmark, Denmark City, in order to attack anything and everything Islamic, according to their spokesman, Jude Christian. Actually, there may be millions, even billions of Christian Danes now engaged in firebombing Islamic Centers, mosques, halal meat shops and vending carts. They appear to be using B52s and stealth bombers and several are carrying signs like 'Death to Islam' and 'We Are Christian Danes Involved in Unprovoked Religious-Based Violence Against Muslims', and 'DefenderofIslam Is-Right'. There appears to he no end in sight for this mindless violence, and it appears likely that an Indonesian Christian center could be targeted as a reprisal for this atrocity in the near future. Back to you, Tom."

"I remember seeing t6housands of Danes in Demark firebombing Islamist center and Islamist schools."

I see that you've been hallucinating again, just like your prophet before you did. Oh well, the truth didn't matter to muhammad, either, so you're in good company ...err, I mean bad company.

Couldn't we get these guys some old Yugos or Cateras to destroy? Maybe Obama (PBUH) could follow-up on "Cash for Clunkers" with "Clunkers for muslims?"

Jaladhi said: "I am just wondering why does this story report "thousands of Muslim extremists.." and not just "thousands of Muslims...""

For the reporters own peace of mind? To be politically correct? Who knows.

Were there no "moderate" muslims around to counter the protests? To stand up for the Christians? Cewrtainly if a majority of muslims were peaceful they had nothing to fear, as they would outnumber the minority "extremists".

Obviously it wasn't a minority of violent, extremist muslims who did this, it was the majority of muslims in the area that did this.

A year ago I posted a story describing an incident involving thousands of muslims. What many apologists called the "extremists" were actually the very large majority, while the peaceful muslims involved (there were only two) made up the small minority.

That is the mistake too many PC non-muslim (and some ignorant muslims) make about islam. The violent members of the cult are the ones who are true muslims - that is, muslims behaving as muhammad taught through his words and his own example.

Here's the story I blogged, followed by a simple multiple choice:

Taliban gunmen used a firing squad to kill a young couple in southern Afghanistan for trying to elope, shooting them with rifles in front of a crowd in a lawless, militant-controlled region, officials said Tuesday.

The woman, 19, and the man, 21, were accused by the militants of immoral acts, and a council of conservative clerics decided that the two should be killed, said Ghulam Dastagir Azad, the governor of the southwestern province of Nimroz.

The two had fled their homes and hoped to travel to Iran, but their parents sent villagers to bring them home, said Sadiq Chakhansori, the chief of Nimroz' provincial council. Once back home, the pair was either turned over to the Taliban by their parents or the militants came and took them by force, the officials said, providing slightly varying accounts.


The violent minority is:

a.) The Taliban who murdered the couple

b.) The council of clerics who condemned them

c.) The parents who had the couple hunted down

d.) The villagers who found them and returned them to the parents

e.) The militants who dragged the couple away for their execution

f.) The crowd who watched the execution

g.) The couple

"t6housands"

...is that shorthand for "six thousand"?

Defender, babe, Danish Muslims don't count.

For ten points, try again.

So, why aren't Christians all over the world up in arms?

Time to band together folks, your very way of life may depend on it. Wake up!

Bismillah.
In group of people there will always be some good and some bad.
Group will be identified by majority.

Majority of Muslims believe that –
• Muslim should be faithful to Ummah rather than country.
• Muslims must invite non-Muslims to convert to Islam.
• Muslim attains grace of Allah on guiding a non-Muslim to become Muslim.
• Muslims are superior to non-Muslims.
• Muslims must treat non-Muslims as Kafir i.e. bad people/enemies and hence threat to Islam.
• Muslim must resort to Jihad for any threat to Islam.
• Muslim by any chance gets enlightened that Islam is wrong and converts to any other faith or belief then he/she must be killed.
• Muslim killing non-Muslim is a good deed.
• Muslim must woo non-Muslim females and convert them to Islam before marrying them.
• Muslim men are entitled to marry 4 women.
• Muslim must oppose idol worshiping and destroy idols.
• Muslim must stop people worshiping any god other than Allah.
• Muslim must chant continuously – la ilaha ilallah – there is no god except Allah.

Above are unalterable rules are imposed upon Muslims right from childhood in madraesas.

Because of the above beliefs and approach since last 1400 years violent incidences are erupting all over the world between Muslims and non-Muslim and it will continue intermittently and relentlessly.

It is observed that continuous increase in Muslim population is also due to these beliefs and approach.

Nobody will be able to stop them let even Americans, Russians and Chinese combine their efforts to curb this.

Are you a Muslim or a non-Muslim?

If you are a Muslim, you are leaving somebody out of the equation.

Namely, YHWH the God of Israel. He has been extraordinarily patient; he is, famously, slow to anger, and abounding in steadfast love, but His patience does have limits.

I will also point out that, in point of fact, if Muslim populations have no dhimmis to parasitise, and if they are confined by others to their own miserable lands, so that they cannot obtain fresh genetic material nor resources by raiding, they decline in numbers, rather than increasing, due to their destruction of the resource base, their obsessive in-breeding, and their vile mistreatment of their women and children.

During the Mamluk period over some centuries the population of human beings within their domains did not grow at all, but rather, dropped catastrophically by some two-thirds.

If Russia, the US, India and China all woke up together and expelled the Mohammedans from within their borders and then slammed down an iron curtain all around dar al Islam and grimly maintained it, the combination of paralysing inshallah fatalism and Muslim misogyny would do their work pretty quickly to reduce the threat.

I am NonMuslim.
I have written what I have observed.
Muslims are definitely multiplying rapidly, Muslims claim that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the US and the whole world. In NonMuslim countries the developed system is such that Muslims are always at advantage due to goodness of NonMuslims. Whereas it is very difficult or rather impossible to survive for a NonMuslim in Muslim Countries, particularly in the Middle East and South Asia.
I have no knowledge of YHWH the God of Israel but I am very eager to know.

"I have no knowledge of YHWH the God of Israel but I am very eager to know."

Hi, Jogi ...

Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life: NO MAN cometh unto the Father BUT BY ME." -- John 14:6

There are many study links that can be found online to help you learn more about Jesus Christ, so here is one that I found which you may want to check out:

http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/

Take care :)

Jihad has to be characterized as defensive (e.g. in defense of Islam, Mohamed, one's "honor,") under Shariah law. Therefore, Muslims have to be portrayed as the victims seeking revenge or defending Islam.

The Jewish/Christian (original, not rewritten by Mohamed) Bible says that vengeance is the Lord's. However, it also contains the story of Ester, who obtained the right of the Jews to fight to defend themselves against those who would exterminate them. The New Testament refers to turning the other cheek. However, you have to stand up to evil twice to get slapped on both cheeks.
Jew and Christians should not bow (or "submit") to evil and have a right to defend themselves from murder. Jihad crimes are hate crimes against non-Muslims.

Hi Champ,
I browsed the site.
I have no difficulty in understanding Jesus is Lord.
But I do face difficulty in understanding God. It starts with “Pray to God to help you to understand his simple message to you--in love he wants to redeem you from the power of Satan and sin.”
I can understand God and Satan if they are defined and their qualities are verifiable.
My understanding of God is - it is that identity which pervades through right from atom to whole Universe and all that is in-between. In other words it is all powerful. If this understanding is correct then wherefrom power of Satan has come? How Satan can defy God’s laws/commands? And why God allows evil which we see going on? I know my understanding of God is not correct and hence it will lead me to nowhere. I will be grateful if you could throw more light on this.

Hi Mary,
I agree with your interpretation “Jihad has to be characterized as defensive (e.g. in defense of Islam, Mohamed, one's "honor,") under Shariah law. Therefore, Muslims have to be portrayed as the victims seeking revenge or defending Islam.”
Above is although true it is inconsistent with what Bible says that vengeance is the Lord's.
Gandhi did follow this Bible-saying throughout his life and he did succeed against British to change General Smuts in South Africa and free India from slavery. Gandhi’s skull was cracked and teeth were broken by a misguided Muslim in South Africa. Gandhi did sincerely forgive him. Consequently realizing the truth the Muslim became repentant.
Majority Muslims support that it was Jihad to perpetrate 9/11 in NY, 11/26-30 in Mumbai, Bali, London, Russian carnages. To destroy idols all over the world recently in Malaysia, fatwas against Salmans (Rushdie and Khan) is also a part of Jihad. This mindset is not alterable by any approach.
Nowadays Jihad crimes are hate crimes against non-Muslims.

Hi Everyone

Islam Does Not Believe In Freedom of Religion or The Rights Of The True Owners of Land To Reoccupy Their Own Property:

Now of course it is important to recognize that not all Muslims are terrorist and jihadists nor refuse to recognize the property rights of others, it is likewise equally important to recognize that all jihadists are members of Islam. Islam is totally responsible for their actions as they tacitly approve of their evil wrong doing and have never cleaned house of these wicked ones. To wit, by not doing so, they have taken on the responsibility for their wrongful actions. Yes, of course they are not the only religion that has failed to clean house; thus taking on the guilt of these wrong doers. Any religion, no exception, which fails to clean house is nothing but an evil false religion.

As Congressman Peter King of New York put it, “there is no equivalency of threat between al-Qaeda and neo-Nazis, environmental extremists or other isolated madmen. Only al-Qaeda and its Islamist affiliates in this country are part of an international threat to our nation. Indeed, by the Justice Department's own record, not one terror-related case in the last two years involved neo-Nazis, environmental extremists, militias or anti-war groups.” [source - retrieved from http://www.meforum.org/2851/weeping-and-other-hysterics-have-muslim on 3/14/2011

For details on what should be done, go go:

Dissolve Islam and Give The World Some Needed Peace

http://religioustruths.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=violence&thread=897

Or
http://jude3.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=islam&thread=425

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