Molding Russia into the Non-Muslim enemy we so crave

Molding Russia into the Non-Muslim Enemy we so Crave
by Julia Gorin

After JW posted my item last week calling attention to the Washington Times advertisement penned by my friend Jim Jatras -- which revealed a Georgia-hosted jihadist conference in December -- my own attention was called to a comment posted under the item by "Jewdog," which read:

The US support of the Balkan Muslims was done for alleged moral reasons, as there was no discernable [sic] strategic benefit.

That is not the case in the Caucasus. Opposing Russia is a strategic imperative since Russia is a supplier of Iran's nuclear project and sells advanced weaponry to Syria and other jihadist elements. Russia is driven by an anti-Western animus, thinking like the imperialists that they have always been, viewing the West as an obstacle to their hegemony. That's why Russia was aligned with Nazi Germany during WWII, until attacked.

Russia will do anything, morality be damned, to advance its imperial interests, and in that sense is like Islam.

I think that as distasteful as it is, we need to support the Chechens against Russia. Let's remember that Osama bin Laden(pbuh) did a great job in Afghanistan, which helped bring down the Soviet Union.

Without Russian and Chinese technology, the global jihad will be a lot less dangerous. Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.

I know, it's very risky and somewhat cynical, but sometimes you have use chemo to kill cancer.

Because the argument can be mistaken for being reasonable-sounding, I thought it important to point out what's actually wrong with it.

Firstly, the strategic benefit in the Balkans was to kiss Muslim tush and show them that we are not their enemies: "See? We can kill Christians too!"

Second, the Soviet Union, not Russia, was aligned with the Nazis. But speaking of Germany, using the comment poster's logic, we should have bombed Germany instead of the Serbs during the Balkan wars, as they were supporting the Nazi Croats and Muslims -- continuing WWII in a sense.

Third, by Jewdog's "logic," the Russians should support jihad attacks on us, because we support our "friends" in Saudi Arabia whose Wahhabist ideology inspires attacks on Russia.

So Russia and China supplying weapons for Jihad is bad, but the US supplying weapons for Jihad is good? ("We need to support the Chechens against Russia"?!) This can only come from a Westerner who has no concept of what a Chechen is, and believe me it's something terrifying. Suffice it to say that there are Islamic militants who know enough to be scared of a Chechen.

Meanwhile, after bombing the Serbs under false pretenses and taking their land -- all while telling Russia to take it easy on the Chechens -- why would Russia listen to anything we have to say? What reason is there for Russia to deal with us in good faith or to not be spiteful?

Historically, yes, Russia has been driven by "anti-Western animus," but I seem to recall a rather historical moment when there was a break in that attitude for several years starting in 1991. An opportunity to be seized on, everyone said. Others have pointed out that this was a time when Russia allowed the Berlin Wall to come down and the regimes in Russia's sphere of influence to be tossed out; a time when the Russian military retreated to Russia proper and the empire broke itself down into separate states; and a time when the Communists made room for other parties and lost power. Freedom and capitalism ruled the day, and the Russians looked to America to show them the way.

In return, we utilized the Russia-hostile NATO alliance in an aggressive war on a Slavic nation that was finally responding to decades of sustained terrorism within its borders. Spitting in the eye of Moscow's objections, we touted America's birth to a criminal and Muslim state in Southeast Europe. All the while, Moscow warned us repeatedly of the S. Ossetia -- and other -- domino effects of our Kosovo actions, and we laughed in its face.

But back to my wider point: We hear about Russia's turn for the worse. And it's precisely that: a turn. So, Jewdog, let's resist the temptation to take what Russia is doing today as an after-the-fact justification for our alienating it so completely first, starting from the moment it lost the Cold War. There are reasons for this "slide backwards" -- another revealing term that is a tacit admission that in fact there had been "progress" and steps taken "forward" by Russia. What's happening today was not an inevitability, it was not the only possible outcome -- in fact, in the 90s it would have seemed like the least-possible outcome. So those who would have us believe that Russia is simply continuing an uninterrupted course of imperialism are being disingenuous. (See Jewdog referring to the Russians as "the imperialists that they have always been, viewing the West as an obstacle to their hegemony.") Again, there was an interruption in bad Russian behavior. But not only did we squander the opportunity, we betrayed the gesture.

Americans must start to understand why and how the Russo-American rift happened, and that if we change our behavior, it's still possible to salvage at least some possible Russo-American cooperation, especially when it comes to what we should have long ago acknowledged as our common enemy. Mind you, my essentially blaming America here does not come from a member of the Blame-America-First crowd. Indeed, it took me until I was into my 30s to ever blame America for anything. But today's world could have been a less messy one, if only we had behaved more civilly at a time when it could have had an impact in the course of events.

But with the culmination of our bad behavior -- namely when we got the world to gang up and bomb Slavs -- on behalf of a tribe of criminals, mobsters, jihadists, clansmen, fascists and marxists as represented by the KLA -- we told Russia loud and clear: We prefer primitive gangsters to you, and we will use them against you and other Slavs.

Recall the standoff at the Pristina airstrip, where WW3 could have been set off had Russia not been in a weak position. That was a defining revelation that the U.S. had no intention of changing course from marking Russia as Enemy No. 1. Rather than work together to face the new and more dangerous and intractable threat of worldwide jihad, we just kept getting tougher on Russia. Is it any surprise, then, that it's gone in the direction it has?

We have been working diligently to mold Russia into the beast we so want it to be, giving us the non-Muslim enemy we so crave since the end of the Cold War. All while being too weak-kneed to deal with the real threat, and therefore trying to deceive ourselves that the real threat can be an "ally" against rival powers such as Russia. No anecdote illustrates this better than when Condoleezza Rice implied in June 2008 that the U.S. and Russia have no common values -- just two months after giving a speech attesting to the "universal values" that both the West and Muslims hold dear. It was delivered to the OIC, that Saudi-based organization of unfree states known as the Organization of the Islamic Conference. No one ever wonders why it was that Condoleezza Rice's former students -- Russian immigrants and exchange students who idolized her during the Cold War for her tough stance -- lost respect for her by 2007, expressing deep disappointment.

The big tragedy here is that U.S. mischief in the Balkans in the 90s has showed the world -- and all its badasses -- that there really is no standard of behavior. America used to be that standard; we used to be the conscience of the world, making evildoers at least think twice or be embarrassed by their evil-doing. But we demonstrated that the world is a free-for-all. Indeed, America as we once knew her has been in a coma for the past 20 years.

Because Russia is historically a bad guy, it's very easy to obfuscate what's really going on here. But the truth is that we've made a fine mess of Russia.

And so it is that even an approach to Iran is more welcome than a real reset with Russia, as this Newsweek article written during the Georgia-Russia conflict makes clear. The piece quotes Iran scholar Vali Nasr: "We talk as if Iran is the biggest threat, but we act as if Russia is."

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I agree with this article. Why castigate Russia for dealing with terroist states when we have done much to make possible the jihad against the west by supporting islamic terroists and terroist enabler sourselves, ie kosovo, pakistan, saudi arabia, and egypt. There is no consistency in our policies.

The Russians went blue in the face telling NATO and the West to go easy on Yugoslavia-Serbia, to no avail. Almost in an old, well rehearsed knee jerk reaction, as though to spite Russia, the West went ahead with its blunderbusses firing in all directions, to give Muslims an unfair and unexpected advantage against the Christian Serbs.

The Russians stood by the Serbs in those toughest of times. Serbs will remember and the world will have seen and remember what true friendship is.

We need to have the Russians (and the Chinese, for that matter) aligned with us in the struggle against Islam, for that's what it is at the moment, an unequal struggle, for we are under siege by a common enemy with global reach and power, who has declared a war against us which we do not acknowledge, whose ideology and objectives, most of our people and leaders do not understand.

There is no consistency in our policies.

Consistency of a policy is assessed by the degree it advances its goals. The goal of the ruling leftist elites is to destroy Christian West. US policies for the past two decades have been quite consistent with that goal.

As consistent as dishonourable.

Here is an idiot - Joe Biden calls "all Muslims in the region (the Balkans)" to wage war against Christians:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1SoGm7v7bs

And they listen to his advice:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYYbCq6tg5c

Very insightful analysis, Robert. Support the Chechen Muslims against the Russians (Jewdog)? There is a precedent for that, of sorts - Afghanistan in the 1980s, when the U.S. armed what we thought would be a mongoose to help fight a cobra, only to have the mongoose turn on us after it had dispatched the snake.

Supporting the Chechen Muslim separatists today would be insane for many reasons, not least of which would be that it would provide a very dangerous precedent for other pockets of Muslims to seek to emulate. If Chechnia succeeded in its efforts to become an independent Islamic state, it would only embolden other enclaves of Muslims to start clamoring for their own minicaliphates. We should provide our full support to Russia's efforts to eliminate this terrorist threat from within its borders.

Our relations with Russia have been in a cocked hat ever since the Berlin Wall fell. The job security of many Soviet specialists in the State Department was suddenly threatened, and it appears they pine to have their old adversary back so they are relevant once again. If would be preferable if they would educate themselves about how to defeat tomorrow's Islamist enemy rather than wasting time trying to recreate the situations and scenarios of yesterday's enemy. Engaging in this kind of fantasy not only makes them look ill-informed and foolish, but it is dangerous for the rest of us, as well.

This is a specious argument based upon a phony premise established by a highly dubious source – most likely paid for by Putin’s PR machine. What is truly amazing is how many seemingly intelligent people are buying into it. We are back in ‘43 again when Stalin had to be supported at the price of Eastern Europe – because Russia is “our ally”.

Ms. Gorin’s previous piece was based on a ridiculous conjecture concocted in Moscow so that Mr. Jatras took out an ad in Washington Times to malign Sakaashvili. This is what it really was about – another attack in the Russian ongoing propaganda war against Georgia and an attempt to drive a wedge between the US and their best ally in the Caucasus. In that sense Ms. Gorin and her good friend Mr. Jatras are acting perfectly in line with Obama’s policies – kick an ally, kiss up to an enemy.

I don’t claim to know the scope of the CIA’s operations – if they are openly training Palestinian terrorists in the West Bank, God only knows what they are doing elsewhere. But we don’t have to take sides in the Russian-Moslem war in the Northern Caucasus. We ain’t got a dog in that fight.

If Ms. Gorin believes that Putin will change his policy on Iran on the basis of America’s support or refusal to support the jihad in Dagestan, I’ve got a fine bridge in Florida she could buy. Sucking up to tyrants just doesn’t work, Julia, be they in Teheran or in Moscow. The only way to change Mr. Putin’s mind is to slap every Russian outfit trading with Iran with a boycott; to freeze every account of anybody trading with Iran, etc, etc, none of which is on WHouse’s short list.

Gotta disagree here. Disclosure: my father was a Ukrainian immigrant. The 90's were a total aberration in nearly 8 centuries of Muscovite history. They were marked by economic plunder and purposeless at the top of Russia, because for all of its existence Russia has been a collectivist state with the following implicit bargain with its citizens: your lives individually will be hell, and you are worthless, but you will achieve riches and glory vicariously through the state.
I certainly agree that supporting Bosnia and Kosovo was insane, and I personally would not support the Chechens. But there is zero support among average Russians for either liberal democracy or a true market economy. As long as Russia as a state is mighty, Putin is popular. 8-10 years don't erase centuries of culture, any more than Ataturk changed who the Turks are. So we may criticize Putin and Bush II for their policies, but nobody "lost Russia".

Unfortunately, history and geo-politics may begin with the anti-Jihad, but they don't necessarily end with it. Russia is ready to supply Hugo Chavez with $5 billion in arms...and nuclear technology to boot. Chavez is busy subverting Colombia and other US allies in the region. It's not beyond the realm of possibility that within a decade - with Russia's help - Venezuela could be nuclear-armed with an IRBM/ICBM capability. Russia is anything but a friend.

Our geo-political competition with China may or may not result in eventual conflict, but the supposition that - because China is non-Muslim, they are benign, is a terribly narrow and short-sighted view. I'm hoping both the USA and China can adroitly manage China's eventual supplanting of the USA as the world's premier super-power, but it's not at all certain.

Finally, the greatest existential threat to the USA could very well be Mexico. If that country ever gets its house in order, or, conversely, if America degenerates to a third-world status (very plausible considering our nation's finances), the millions of Mexicans and Mexican-Americans who will soon (if not already) comprise a majority in the Southwest will have every incentive to work for Mexico's (peaceful or otherwise) reconquista of the region. In case no one is aware, Mexican schoolbooks still claim the American Southwest was stolen and that Mexico is the rightful owner. I'm not talking about general war, I'm talking about political agitation, potential terrorism, and ultimately, secession.

The state of the world being what it is, the anti-Jihad should and must be our highest priority. But to pretend other geo-political equations have no relevance is to see the world through a narrow and ultimately myopic prism.

Yes,I agree. Those observers in the 90s who thought that Russia would become a Western style capitalist, democratic state were rather naive,the country has returned to the old 'Tsarist' authoritarianism,perhaps the inertia was too great. Apart from the times when Russia was an ally against a common enemy such as Napoleon and Hitler,when has it ever been friendly to the West?
Russia is still trying to play the "Great Game", albeit with greatly diminished resources.

Thanks for addressing the comment here, Julia.

Jewdog's position was a bit unsettling :o

Thanks Kozak, for clarifying that, I believe you.

So Russia and China are neither Democratic nor Islamic and in a way the 3rd parties while the Democratic and Islamic ideology now compete heavily with each other.

Oh, how I would love the Russians eventually to be won over by the Democratic system; That would enable the EU to expand eastwards and span a huge area from Gibraltar to Wladiwostok. It would benefit the Russians greatly and the EU-capital could well be Moscow. It would be Stalins dream come true, only now under the Democratic system, not the Communist system. And such a EU, if it could resist well its internal Islamic threat, would be a mighty ally of America.

Of course this is only wishful thinking, but have you noticed that a big part of the northern Hemisphere contains very big states, whereas the middle of the earth and the southern hemisphere is much more fragmented? In the north are: America, Canada, EU, Russian Federation, China, Japan, all fairly big states, economies, with few small countries in between.

Funny how the Poles, the Estonians, Latvians, Lithuanians, Slovaks, Slovenians, Romanians, Bulgarians, etc. look upon NATO for what it is-----the greatest military alliance in history for the protection and expansion of freedom-----but the Russians see it as a threat. Telling. Very. And yet we are to think that the Russians have been wronged by America.

America doesn't have to do everything right before a person can conclude that the Russians are the ones who have erred ten times over. If Russia had its act together, which it most certainly doesn't, it would have realized that an alliance with America as a partner in NATO was the route to be taken. Instead, the Russians have reverted to their typical xenophobia and are now consorting with tyrants against the free world. Russia also stupidly misused American money sent to it in the 1990s, an America which won the Cold War and demanded no territory for itself, provided billions to its former enemy and only asked that Russia join the West. And yet the Russians deceived themselves into thinking that no one won the Cold War and that America was still a treacherous enemy. Wrong and wrong again. America won. America was generous. Russia lost. Russia was an ingrate. Russia was stupid.

As for the Yugoslavian break-up, Russia was prepared to look cynically on as the instability in the Balkans worried one European nation after another. Germany, Hungary, France, Britain, Italy and many other countries were desperate by 1999 for the carnage and uncertainty to terminate. And so America, who would have been damned by its allies if it had done nothing, finally came in and ended the acute stage of the Yugoslavian dissolution by bombing Belgrade, a cruel neccesity, this after inept Europe once again fumbled the ball, not even being able to solve a backyard brawl in its own neighborhoood. For this, opprobrium was heaped on America by those, like the Russians, who were prepared to see the acute stage continue indefinitely. Ah, damned if you do and damned if you don't. Unfortunately, America was wrong in supporting Kosovo independence but this doesn't let authoritarian Russia off the hook, not by a long shot. In assessing blame here, Russia deserves a hell of a lot. America far less.

Thanks, Julia, I appreciate the time you've taken to respond to my posting.
First, I agree that our bombing the Serbs was a mistake, but as I recall it was done primarily for moral and not strategic reasons, as a way to stop the ethnic cleansing and massacres of Muslim civilians. Since that time, Muslims have cried wolf so many times when it comes to alleged Israeli transgressions, that it's often hard to tell when they are actually being victimized.
Overall, I think you are overestimating the effect of American influence on Russia. Russia lacks a democratic tradition, so the accession of a clique of KGB thugs after the Soviet Empire contracted is in character. And being apparatchiks, their world view was bound to be in keeping with Soviet traditions: anti-Western, paranoid, ruthless, imperialistic, anti-Semitic and generally despotic. The counter-revolution was a lot less revolutionary than people hoped for.
You make an excellent point in taking us to task for being too cozy with the Saudis. The lesson is, as Robert has pointed out on numerous occasions, we must unite against the global jihad.
In fact, Russia and China are helping the jihad immensely in supplying all kinds of weapons to the most radical jihadist entities (China arms Sudan as well). And helping Iran develop nukes is unconscionable. Even assuming Russia has good reasons to be angry at the US, why then punish Israel by helping Iran's Hitler? Russia's actions are immoral and myopic, as in the long run a nuclear Iran will destabilize the whole region and jeopardize everyone, including Russia.
Obama will likely support the Chechens because he's pro-Muslim rather than out of realpolitik, but I look at it this way: the enemy of my enemy is my friend.



As regards the Russian Federation:

I am not going to give up hope.

Here is an entirely different perspective, courtesy of one of the brothers of Taize, who visited Russia in February, during Lent 2010:

http://www.taize.fr/en_article10031.html

From that article:

"The city of Kemerovo is a four hour flight from Moscow. Landing and taking off on a snowbound airstrip is not for the faint-hearted, unless you’re Siberian and used to it, of course!

"The Orthodox diocese of Kemerovo and Novokuznetsk has experienced a very rapid development over the past 15 years.

"Before perestroika, there was only one church open in each city. Now there are 15 places of worship in Kemerovo and a similar number in Novokuznetsk.

"But it’s not just the church buildings that are important. Building communities has become the priority.

" In each city, there is an Orthodox High School. In Novokuznetsk, there is the diocesan seminary.

"Priests work in student chaplaincies in the universities of this vast coal mining region.

"Opportunities for teaching and sharing about faith are now present in ways that have never been possible ever before. There’s an incredible dynamism and enthusiasm among those committed in their faith. And through that you sense the warmth of the Siberian welcome!

"In St Petersburg, a Christian radio station holds live phone-ins.

"Guests receive the questions of listeners. Even in the middle of the day, a good number of people called with questions on faith, another sign of how expressing belief has become acceptable.

"Is love a gift of God, or do we have to learn how to love?" asked one caller. I’m not sure we would find such deep questions in the West! So many people seem to be grappling with important issues in their lives. Do we dare to place these questions under the light of the Gospel?" END QUOTE.

To all non-Russian Christians here present, I say: pray for Russia and all the peoples of the Federation, and give thanks for all those many who are seeking, and finding, renewal of faith, hope, and charity. Pray, pray, pray. Give thanks for the life and witness of all the New Martyrs, the Russian Christians - Orthodox from all over, Eastern Catholics from the Ukraine, evangelical - who were murdered in thousands by the Communists, from 1917 until the 1980s. Give thanks for Fr Daniel Sysoyev, evangelist to Muslims in Moscow, who also suffered martyrdom, last year, right outside his church, murdered by Muslim assassins.

To Russian Christians who may read this, I ask: pray, with us all, for America and for all of the West to come to their senses and recognise the reality and danger of the Jihad; but more than that, that Western Christendom also may experience the joy of a spiritual and civilisational renewal, a rekindling of faith, hope, and love.

As Eastern and Western Christians gaze upon one another's faces, even while the vast black cloud of the JIhad looms upon our horizons, I offer to us both the words of an English-speaking Orthodox theologian:

"The eschatological - which remains a word of hope, a paschal evangel that denies death its tragic splendour - functions as a promise that the verdict of God is on the side of the particular, the name and the face of the one lost, that his justice is not a transcendental reconciliation between chaos and order, violence and rest, but a reconciliation of infinitely many sequences of difference.

"Which is to say that it is the promise that justice will never forget the other, that the other will always be blessed with an infinite regard and charged with an infinite worth: not because the other belongs to an abyss of the ethical, but because the other belongs to the infinite beauty of the surface: because, as this eschatology insists, the entire weight of the infinite in which all things share, this infinite and infinitely various music, rests upon each instance, requires every voice.

"This is a story; but one revealed at Easter to be the story that God elects, inasmuch as he is the God who never forsakes his beloved - who is the delight of God and the image of his glory". D B Hart, The Beauty of the Infinite, pp. 410-411.


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Its a good thing for US and UK forces, that Russia is not repaying us the compliment by arming the Taleban. It would be easy for them to do so, given the geographic proximity.

I'll take "godless' Russia over Allah anyday. Before we helped the Afghans run the Russians off they do a pretty good job of keeping Islam under their thumb. At this point, I'd support the hegemony of Russia over Islam over our policy of setting up Sharia based democracies (oxymoron?) in the Middle East anyday.

Brava, Julia, Love!

You have said what I have been saying, only more eloquently.
As always, pure truth from you.
You are a heroine, pride of the Jewish race. And neoliberal-neocons are disgrace to the Jewish race.
Your words are sunlight in the darkness of lies. Sunlight of Zionism.

Love,

Ruslan.

Ruslan Tokhchukov, Temporarily Not Enraged, And Applauding.

Isn't it telling that the anti-Israeli, pro-"Palestinian" Mac is siding with jewdog? Tell me who your friends are ... .
The jihadists and their Quisling groupies here in the West would love the US to get into a brawl with Russia, instead of them, and drive Russia into their corner.
Oriana Fallaci kept asking herself: "How did I missed it in the '60s and '70s"? Meaning, the rise of the jihadist threat to the West. And she answered herself: the Distraction. The Distraction of the Cold War and the Vietnam War that was its byproduct. Now, jewdogs and Brzesinskis and neocons and McCains and all kinds of other wrong people, for all kinds of wrong reasons want the US keep provoking Russia and China, and create an enormous distraction from defending against jihad. Anything instead of taking on Iran, for which the sociopaths in the White House and the Pentagon have absolutely no guts. Russia and China are catching on to US's cowardly, dirty games, and they are not amused. What will America's whoring with Chechens, Dagestanis and Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan, and Uighurs achieve? Inevitably, both will eventually begin Cantacuzening jihad full bore right back into America's rib. And in this game, the US will be a big loser. Dreaming of breaking up Russia through aiding jihad, jewdog? The US will end up breaking itself up instead. You keep obsessing about Russia providing "hi-tech" to jihadists. What "hi tech" did Russia give to bin Laden? All his hi tech and low tech he got from us, the US. And the 19 of his men carried out the 9/11 attacks with "hi tech" boxcutters. They took flying lessons in the US, not Russia.
Russia building the civilian Bushehr nuclear plant in Iran is not helpful. But Iran's nuclear weapons project would go on regardless. Iran got the nuclear know-how for it from A. Q. Khan, who got it in the West, not Russia.
The root of the problem is not Russia's hi tech. It is pathological cowardice of the United States of America, who does not dare to take on Iran, and cowardly, panicky restrains Israel from striking Iran, a serial mass-murderer of Americans, the "Death To America" nation which is about to go nuclear.

Ruslan Tokhchukov, EnragedSince1999.

Ruslan, I understand your anger. I think Beslan taught us all that the Chechen rebels are a bunch of scum.

But I do not think that China is a friend to either America--or Russia. It is a country which can tolerate the publication of racial chauvinism about how China should reclaim Siberia (the whole? or just the former Outer Northeast/Amur area and Primorskiy Kraj?) and even claim the Americas--since the Indians were originally from Asia--yet will put people in prison for decades for calling for new political parties, depoliticized courts, etc. China is, quite bluntly, the world's last, best hope for 20th century totalitarianism. It is even a place where BOTH Stalin and Hitler are openly admired in official circles.

How do I know this? I am, kin to that culture and I read its language--both simplified and traditional orthographies. While I would applaud the rise of a democratic, politically plural China respectful to outsiders, I believe that former Pres. Bill Clinton and his Congressional allies should be arraigned for treason for giving permanent MFN status to a Communist China determined to flip the bird at democratic opinion abroad and crush it at home.

While I understand Ruslan's attack on America's "pathological cowardice", my advice to my own government is to back off policing the world and choose its fights very, very carefully. In short, let history happen to states that are determined to have history happen to them.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand--I think that in his heart of hears, Mad Monkey Ahmadinejad knows that if he provokes America enough, or sponsors a nuclear terror attack on us, he can say Xodu Hafez to a dozen or so Iranian cities and military sites within the next 24 hours, and that the 12th Imam isn't going to come out of his well to save him.

more if you want to continue.

Wellington, the Poles, Lithuanians etc. all joined NATO in the 90's because they thought it was a simple way to get rich fast and be the most American.
All the 90's in the entire eastern bloc was about trying to copy America in every possible way.
In the year 2000, people begin to complain. That Americans are pigs with no culture and Russia will become something better then America.

There was a poll done that showed, from an example of other countries, the ideal country would be an American economic system, but with a Chinese Political system.

It is not Communist. It is Capitalist. and a failure of the western media that it portrays Russia as undemocratic.

Kepha,

It is Russia-haters' wishful thinking that the Russians should fear "The Yellow Menace". The Russians no longer do. The fear of China is disappearing fast. This is because China has proved to be a loyal friend standing by Russia's side, in good times and bad, unlike the US. There still is racist scum in Russia who attach Chinese and other non-whites, but they are not representative of the Russians. Nor are those authors of obscure publications representative of the Chinese. Rusiia wants to be like China, and China is on its way to becoming a Super Singapore.
And Iran has no fear of the US. None. If the US is so cowardly before the still-non-nuclear Iran, how totally capitulating will they be when Iran gets the Bomb? Just as we woke to 9/11, we might wake up one morning to the news that Hezbollah and Quds have just nuked several American cities with smuggled-in bombs, and are demanding a totall American surrender to Iran, threatening to nuke 100 other cities. Is there any doubt that what was left of the United States of America will swiftly surrender itself to Iran? The conditions for the coming of the Mahdi have been met.

Ruslan Tokhchukov. EnragedSince1999.

I usually find your take on this stuff quite interesting but on this subject you are either omiting facts or you missed them.

First Russia (and then the USSR) and Germany had a very long and close history together. Thier are Russian Cemetaries all over Germany filled wth Russian Generals and ambassadors. Between WW1 & WW2 the USSR sent its top officers to Germany for training and Germany sent its officers to them to learn to use Artillery and Tanks as well as the actual commanding of troops in large scale maneuvers. Stalin purged the officers that trained in Germany thus ensuring he would get his butt kickedAlso the Pristina airfield incident was caused by General Clark being an incompitent boob. It took him 3 days to decide if the airfield was important and by then the russians were almost there in their BTR's. Russia is a paper tiger with an army and airforce that can barely operate. They almost lost in Georgia and that was their best troops.

You are talking about German and Russian cooperation before Stalin , I dont believe you have Russia figured correctly . I sided with Russia in the Balkans I think Russia should be credited playing a big part in ending the NATO war on Serbia . Nato like the NAZIs was actually the third time in the last century that Germany attack Yugoslavia . Yugoslavia did not just mysteriously fall apart . United States AlQaida and Germany trained terrorists to be freedom fighter in Albania . United States trained Croatian revolutionaries in California , and the United States authorised and helped plan opperation Storm in the Serb krajlina . NATO like the NAZIs before them bombed Serbs in Croatia , Bosnia and Serbia's Kosovo . The dismemberment of Yugoslavia destroyed Yelsin's new liberal democracy in Russia , It excited the Russian orthadox church and the famous Alexsander Solhenitzen who United Russia quickly behind a no nonsense leader his friend Putin . Putin strengthened Russia fast as he could . I believe even faster than hitler did Germany in the 30s I no longer think Russia is a weak feeble country that could not asnwer a chalenge . Putin imediatly started manufaturing armaments again and selling all over the world . what better way for a bankrupt country to quickly prepare for war . A few yrs ago Russian arms manufacturibg was closing in on the largest manufacurer and may in fact be top dog now . True the Russians maybe a little backwards on some things but weapons manufacturing is just not one of those things . Think of the Russian mig , the AK47 , the Russian tank . A few yrs ago in Banglore India's airshow the Russian planes flew cicles around evreything in the sky . Its easy to check out Russia's arams sales ,I believe the bear is stronger than ever , but not a rouge bear . nato may have thought they connered the bear in Georgia . thank God they were all to scared to go in and wrestle the bear

buzz for your information it was not Stalin that got his butt kicked in ww2 . Although I know you are right , Stalin weakend Russia by killing his best trained military men .
I side with Russia in Latvia and Estonia too . These are two NATO counties that have been agravating Russia lately . One of them toredown a memorial of the Russian soldiers that liberated them from the nazis . considering their country has a large Russian minority . But the majoity just had to make the statement that they loved nazi's more than Russians . This is the kinda thing that could strike up a seperatist movement . And if Russia comes in and gives freedom to some of these people . NATO should not honnor their commitments to these little trouble makers that love nazis so much . As strong as I think Russia is NATO has overextended itself way beyond what they can actually do .

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