Spencer interview: Is Obama a Muslim?

Here is part 3 of my interview Monday with NYC ITV, in which I answer the Question That Won't Die. You can access all of the segments of the interview here (they're on the lower right).

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THIS VIDEO NEEDS TO GO VIRAL.

I wish I was as articulate as you, Robert.

Great answer.

Surely is OBOWma a Muslim brother!

Islam is a one-way street, death for apostasy 4:89

Too moderate, Robert.

A son of a Muslim is a Muslim. In Islam, its paternal. Obama's father was Muslim, that makes him a Muslim.

In Judaism, the child is Jewish if the mother is Jewish.

Jeremiah Wrights Black Liberation Church is not a church, but a forum for racist grievance theater. His hateful rants are no different from those of Louis Farraklan, the NOI's head honcho. The Wright church and the NOI are closely associated. The Islam message seeps through.

Wright himself is a Muslim according to his own biography.

Like Obama, we don't know whether Wright ever converted back to Christianity.

No. This is not a conspiracy theory. This stuff is real.

Are the 1 and 13-26 parts of the interview too uploaded somewhere? There are not existent in the link given.

A question never asked or answered...Does Rasool Obama believe that Allah is God and Mahound his messenger?

The Russians according to an article in Pravda, believe he is a Sunni, and that might influence his attitude and behavior toward Shia Iran.

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, can sit in water and not get wet like a duck...It's probably a duck...

I haven't watched the video yet - but, yes,

And right, swami - the "duck" thing. Looks, walks, acts - like a Muslim. Censors all words/phrases in connection to Islam in government documents about Terrorism.

I mean, come on - please. Yeah, he's a Mo.

Dendrite:. .. Check here for each of the individual links.

Transcript for

Robert Spencer - 26/04/2010 - Part 3: Is President Obama actually Muslim? - 1:39

ITV Living Scoop:
Do you think that President Obama is actually a Muslim?
Robert Spencer:
I don't know. He doesn't tell me. But, I think that Barack Obama, if he were a Muslim, he would not be behaving in any way differently from how he is behaving. Certainly we know that in his earliest childhood he was known as a Muslim. He was registered as a Muslim in school, in primary school in Indonesia. The school records are extant. And he, by his own account, attended Qur'an classes which were only open to Muslims, and so Barack Obama was a Muslim as a child. He has never explained when or whether he left Islam at all. He identifies himself as a Christian now, but it is, I think perhaps salient to note that a Muslim can identify himself as a Christian because Jesus Christ is a Muslim Prophet in the Qur'an and the Muslims consider themselves to be the true Christians as well as the true Jews who are following the true teachings of Jesus and of Moses. And so, it's not out of the realm of possibility that some individual or possibly Barack Obama could be a Muslim and identifying himself as a Christian without even meaning to say that he is a member of the classic Christian tradition at all. Now, of course he's never been questioned about this. He's never been challenged about this, so ultimately, only he knows the answer as to what he really believes. But certainly, his public policies and his behavior are consistent with his being a committed and convinced Muslim.

I agree with the tenor of this interview (in light of mounting evidence) more so than an earlier hypothesis that Mr. Obama might be 'murtadd' -- apostate. The president is, little doubt, behaving as a Muslim would behave. His speech in Cairo was an eye-opener.

"But certainly, his public policies and his behavior are consistent with his being a committed and convinced Muslim." - RS

Bingo.

Remember the old adage, "Actions speak louder than words."

Thanks Miira :-)

I don't believe Obama is a Muslim---he's postmodern PCMC through and through. And this of course means holding on to a vague, fuzzy notion that "all religions say the same thing", and in practice requires one to constantly favor Islam and apologize for it in order to counteract the reality of its obvious inferiority to other faiths.

My dear Robert ,

As an Israeli , I am actually very satisfied to see all the recent developments. I don't judge this American president by his WORDS , only his ACTIONS matter to me.

why won't you come to Israel and give our far-left mainstream media (Channels 2/10) some insights ?


Prez Osama is a globo-socialist.

*** 92:8 ***

Effectively, this is the same thing as a Moslem. Fail to see the difference.

I think you are correct. To actually be a practicing Muslim he would have to abandon most of his beliefs as far as treatment of Woman, treatment of minorities etc..
Obama, In my opinion, is willfully ignorant of Islam, or looks at it as a benign element of of his childhood. However, he looks at MUSLIMS as a oppressed people, kind of like Bill Clinton's comment that they were the "new Jews"
Many liberals ( of which I am one on many subjects ) have this almost irrational craving to be liked by the rest of the world, even if some of the world hates them. They think they can show that they are different, not the "typical ugly American". Of course the root of that is that it is our actions that make us hated. To the degree that that is true, there is very little reflection on weather or not our actions are warranted or not. Theres no reflection beyond that as to weather or not Muslims hatred is a byproduct of Islam.
Again, as someone who is generally liberal on most matters, it drives me crazy when I talk to my liberal friends about Islam. I have actually been toying around with the idea or writing a series of articles on how the tenants of Islam and more specificaly Sharia should be especially troubling to Liberals. Now I just need to get the time.
I think Obama is a marginal ( and I don't like speculating on peoples spiritual standing )
Christian, based on political pragmatism. He joined Reverend Wrights church in order to be come politically rellavent in Chicagos Black community.
Just for the record, Obama did say that he and his family were cellabrating the Resurrections of Jesus on Easter. Not what a Muslim who considers himself a "real Christian" would say, unless he is practicing some serious deception.

One does not need to look far as this article below reflects on how Obama looks at the world after he spent 20 years in a Black Liberation theology Church listening to sermons of Jeremiah Wright. This article was written more than a year before Obama became President and if you put in the words " Black Liberation Theology in Google you will see numerous articles written that reflect on the Marism that is found in the BLT Church as well what they define as Black Muslim teachings. In another article written in the American Thinker the writer who visited Wright's Trinity Church found that the churches library was full of books that reflected Muslim thinking.

http://www.acton.org/commentary/443_marxist_roots_of_black_liberation_theology.php

I've also put the URL in for the American Thinker article from 2008 as well.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/05/obama_black_liberation_theolog.html

As usual Robert Spencer as done his excellent homework

Haha, bs, it's possible to convert from Islam, in which Obama said he did.

Why is it that you're crazy if you think 9/11 was done by the goverment but you're only sane if you think Obama was a Muslim?

If Rasool Obama is in fact a stealth Mahoundian, and is busy furthering the causes of Allah, and removing obstacles to the spread of Islam...He will be forgiven his many disguises...His killing of Mahoundians, his dog...his false statements about Christianity, regular (if rich) clothing for his wife and children, and full participation in the decadence of dar al-harb. Allah is very forgiving when you are doing his work...When I heard Rasools Cairo speech, I became convinced he is working for Allah...Do you have to be a Mahoundian to do Allah's work? That is, jihad in the cause(s) of Allah? Not necessarily, but usually Mahoundians are the only ones interested in doing it...

From post above...Haha, bs, it's possible to convert from Islam, in which Obama said he did...

When did he say that...do you have a speech or video?

If he did, he's an apostate and a target...Maybe you should call the FBI and warn them...

Obama's father was an Athiest. His mother wasn't even a religious person. He wasn't brought up in a religious house-hold, so how exactly did he become a Muslim then??

His other so called Muslim step-father himself, wasn't even a religious person, which is own family have attested to.

Obama never attended a madrassa.

Obama is a christian. He has stated far too many times that he is a Christian.

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No. This is not a conspiracy theory. This stuff is real.
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LOL. Really now? Is that the best you can come up with, when all the facts completly crush your feeble & bigotted attempts to link Obama and that bigot Jeramiah wright as being Muslims? Not a Conspiricy theory?

Oh, I think you'll find it is as much a conspiricy as the Roswell Crash or the assasination of JFK

Excellent response, Mr. Spencer.

It is also important to note "Reverend" Wright's nominally Christian Trinity United Church of Christ's many links with the Nation of Islam.

At best, this "church" is more about the black power movement and hatred of America than it is about Christianity.

That Rasool Obama is legitimate is in itself a conspiracy, that people like the above poster indulge in...The reason that the clever come up with all these tricks is because their tricks work...The above poster has been tricked, he not only drank the kool aid, he swallowed the hook, line, and sinker...Have you ever heard of 'Steve Dunham'?...It won't be too long till you will...There are surprises coming up that will put liberal Rasool Obama supporters like above, into a state of awe...

But certainly, his public policies and his behavior are consistent with his being a committed and convinced Muslim." - Robert Spencer


Robert Spencer is very clever about how he disguises his bigoted anti-muslim views.

Sending more troops to Afghanistan to kill more Muslims, which is how all Muslims see it. Yeah, very Pro Islam that is. Supports Abortion, very Muslim there. Pro Homosexual marriage, yet another tell tale sign he is clearly Muslim. Goes to Church, celebrates Easter & Christmas. Yup, you gotta believe that means he is a Muslim.

That must be it, he must be practicing the most extreme form of Taqqiyah ever known. He has deceived everyone, his master plan to covertly inflitrate the highest office of the USA has worked. Any day now, you'll see the Flag of Islam hanging from the White House.


Robert, you are a bigot and a racist. You can hide behind semantics all you want. Muslims may not be a race, but that doesn't change what you are, what your views are.

Every Muslim conspiricy theory you can conjure up, you'll find in here.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to continue my stealth Jihad preparations to bring down western civilisation

ITV Living Scoop asks Robert Spencer:

Do you think that President Obama is actually a Muslim?

The tape above provides Spencer's response. The following ten minute video compilation provides the answer to that question. . . from the lips of Barack Hussein Obama:

"A salaam aleikum"


". . .many other Americans have Muslims in their families or have lived in a Muslim majority country. I know, because I am one of them."


" . . .My father came from a Kenyan family that includes generations of Muslims. As a boy, I spent several years in Indonesia and heard the call of the azzan at the break of dawn . . ."


"I have know Islam on three continents before coming to the region where it was first revealed. That experience guides my conviction"


". . . . You're absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith"


"In a 2007 interview with the New York Times, Obama recited the Muslim call to prayer in a perfect Arabic accent, and then went on to say that the Muslim call to prayer was "The prettiest sound on earth."

Obama Quotes From the Koran. . .

"As the holy Qur'an tells us . . ."

"The holy Qur'an teaches that . . ."

"The holy Qur'an tells us. . ."

"And the holy Qur'an also says . . ."

Obama Praises And Glorifies Islam

"We will convey our deep appreciation for the Islamic faith which has done so much over the centuries to shape the world"


"I would like to speak directly to the people and leaders of the Islamic Republic of Iran, their great and celebrated culture, over many centuries, your art, your music, literature and innovation have made the world a better and more beautiful place."


"We know that you are a great civilization and your accomplishments have earned the respect of the United States and the world."


"I also know civilization's debt to Islam. It was Islam at places like al Azhar that carry the light of learning through so many centuries, paving the way for Europe's Renaissance and enlightenment."


"It was innovation in Muslim communities that developed the order of algebra, a magnetic compass and tools of navigation, our mastery of pens and printing, our understanding of how disease spreads and how it can be healed. Islamic culture has given us majestic arches and soaring spires, timeless poetry, and cherished music, elegant caligraphy and places of peaceful contemplation."


"They have fought in our wars, they have served in our government, they have stood for civil rights, they have started businesses, they have taught at our universities. They've excelled in our sports arenas. They've won Nobel prizes, built our tallest building and lit the Olympic torch. And when the first Muslim American was recently elected to Congress, he took the oath to defend our Constitution using the same holy Qur'an"


"In ancient times, and in our times, Muslim communities have been in the forefront of innovation and education."


Obama Defends Islam

"Islam is not part of the problem in combating violent extremism. It is an important part of promoting peace. The enduring faith of over a billion people is so much bigger than the narrow hatred of a few."


"In the United States, rules on charitable giving have made it harder for Muslims to fulfill their religious obligations. That's why I'm committed to working with American Muslims to ensure that they can fulfill zakat."


"It is important for Western countries to avoid impeding Muslim citizens from practicing religion as they see fit."


"And I consider it part of my responsibility as President of the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear."


Obama Declares America To Be A Muslim Nation

"We are no longer a Christian nation."


"We do not consider ourselves a Christian nation. . ."


"The United States has been enriched by Muslim Americans."


"Since our founding, American Muslims have enriched the United States."


"Islam has always been a part of America's story."


"There is a mosque in every state in our union, and over twelve hundred mosques within our borders."


"You know, one of the points I want to make is that if you actually took the number of Muslim Americans, we would be one of the largest Muslim countries in the world."


[D'ailleurs, si l'on compte le nombre d'Américains musulmans, on voit que les Etats-Unis sont l'un des plus grands pays musulmans de la planète.” - subtitled copy]

"Let there be no doubt, Islam is a part of America."


Obama Bows Before A Muslim King

Fox News video segment from O'Reilly's program:
Brigitte Gabriel:
"He did bow to the Muslim King while he did not do it to the British Queen of England. By bowing, he showed the world that I am subservient, I do bow down to you as a Muslim King, something no other President has done with Saudi Arabia. The Saudi King uses fear. He is not, he is subordinate in order to bow for him and this is an exactly what Obama did. Usually it is out of respect that someone would nod his head, with bowing to royalty and the ladies would curtsy. But Obama went beyond what is required as a head of state and bowed to the Saudi King. That's not acceptable, it sent the wrong signal."

O'Reilly:

"You say it sends the wrong signal, what signal do you think it sends?"

Brigitte Gabriel:

"It sent a message that Islam is superior to any other master or King or President in the world. That an American President bowed to a Muslim King. It also sent the message that terrorism and jihadism is giving Islam the respect it should have on the world stage to the point that it made an American President, for the first time in history, bow to a Muslim King."

Obama In Traditional Muslim Dress
Image
Obama Visits A Mosque
[AP video clip from Istanbul Turkey]


Obama Sides With Islam

WCBS 2 News video with Beth Mulicki:
"Presidential candidate, Barack Obama is trying to change political fashion. He gave a speech in Iowa City today and he wasn't wearing an American Flag pin. Those pins have become synonymous with politicians since 9/11. Obama says he doesn't like how the pin has come to represent patriotism in America."


Barack Obama:

"I won't wear that pin on my chest."


Fox News Alan Colmes with Kate Obenshain of the Clare Boothe Luce Policy Institute:

"It's a little weird Alan, that in the middle of the campaign, the guy takes off the American flag. Most people wear it because they are proud of their country."

Barack Obama:

"Let me speak as clearly and as plainly as I can. America is not, and never will be at war with Islam."

Video image of 9/11 at 8:46 am, fire fighters on the street look up to view and instinctively turn video camera to face and focus in the direction of the sound of a plane flying uncomfortably low and unexpectedly captures the first plane crashing into the first World Trade Center tower.
Next video segment shows the second plane aiming at the second tower to be hit, film capturing the collision of the second plane exploding in the second tower, as seen from multiple cameras.

". . .I am one of them." - Barack Hussein Obama
Barack Obama:
"Thank You and Eid-e-shuma-Mubarak"


Now if you'll excuse me, I have to continue my stealth Jihad preparations to bring down western civilisation...

Ibe Hooper...Is that you?...no guess not, Ibe knows how to spell civilization...

Oh No. How shocking. I used "S" instead of "Z". Unthinkable error. Just to punish myself, I won't ever show my face here ever again.


Obama isn't religious at all. He is a lefty. He despises Judeo/Christianity because they worship the God of morality, and justice, and he hates that.
In my opinion he loves Islam because they hate what he hates. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

"The phenomenon that raised so many questions for [Kyle-Anne Shiver] in January, when I visited Trinity United Church of Christ, was not Jeremiah Wright's sermon, which turned out to be just a call for all good congregants to support Barack Obama for President. It wasn't the sermon that caught me off guard; I was prepared for that. I had watched video of Wright, giving five of his fiery sermons.


The thing that really got me to thinking, reading and searching for answers was the church bookstore.


Having been a practicing Christian for more than 40 years now, and a practicing Catholic for 26 of those years, I have visited perhaps 100 various Christian bookstores, both Protestant and Catholic. In all of those places, one thing tied together the books for sale: Christianity.


Not so in Obama's church bookstore.


I spent more than an hour perusing available books, and found as many claiming to represent Muslim thought as those representing Christian thought. Black Muslim thought, to be specific.


And the books claiming to support Christianity were surprisingly of a more political than religious nature. The books by James H. Cone, Wright's own mentor, were prominent and numerous." Obama, Black Liberation Theology, and Karl Marx
By Kyle-Anne Shiver

Jeremiah Wright, wolf in sheeps clothing. Obama, wolf in sheeps clothing. Birds of a feather flock together, united by hate.

Do I think that Obama is a muslim? Yes I do!

Why?

Here are some very compelling reasons "Why" I think he's a muslim from Obama's OWN MOUTH:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAffMSWSzY

Hear, hear, Robert!

"Robert, you are a bigot and a racist."

No he isn't ...but you most certainly are an ignoramus.

Muslims are not a RACE, moron. Muslims come from many different races, so next time refer to your dictionary before making a complete and utter fool of yourself.

Champ - thank you . . .that is the video I forgot to link in the above comment which provides a list of the quotes on this video. I agree . . .No one can answer the question better than Obama himself.

Are you from New Orleans, by any chance?

Nope - Muslims are bigots and racists. And you're an idiot.

You're welcome, Miira :)

As I have noted before, BHO is not and cannot be a Muslim. Adherence to that creed would require him to worship an entity other than the true object of his veneration: to wit, Barack Hussein Obama.

As to his putative self-identification as a Christian, that would seem to be refuted by his long-standing membership in the America-cursing preacher Jeremiah Wright's Trinity United Church of Christ, which actually worshipped not Jesus Christ so much as African ethnicity. BHO also attended Easter services this year at Allen Chapel AME (African Methodist Episcopal) Church in Washington, D.C., a "historically black" church.

"Nope - Muslims are bigots and racists. And you're an idiot."

Agreed, Kim.

Christ, the light will destroy Islam, the religion of darkness.

Miira,-and others

I'm curious,as a Jew,who ,pretty much mistakenly ,voted for this clown-I'm curious what he has said about the Jewish religion,considering after all that most American Jews voted for him and were on the forefront of the civil rights movement in this country
(including my Mom,who risked life and limb down south in the fifties registering black voters)He's spent so much time flattering Muslims...(Also I found that bow to the so-called-King of saudi arabia VERY disturbing-American presidents bow to NO ONE,esp. not monarchs of apartheid and gender apartheid countries (I'm sooooooooo sick of hearing that about Israel,I've been there,and it was about as far from apartheid as you can get---I have NOT been to S.A.(I believe as a Jewish woman I would not be allowed in-unless I was,I suppose,a "slave of the right hand")But I know a number of people ,of both sexes,who have.One had her Judeo-Xtian Bible confiscated upon entering the country)
What in heavens name is going on w/all these people(lefties and libs mainly,like myself)that they call Israel an apartheid state,but not Saudi,and other shariah ruled stated....Or is it that they arent apartheid b/c they've managed to kill,drive out,cow and convert all who arent exactly like them-after all would South africa been apartheid if all blacks w/in its borders were either driven out or killed?(Or is it just that most of the peoples of the world are very uncomfortable w/Jews standing up for themselves and not being the worlds eternal victim?Am I nuts-or is Israel held to a very different standard than the other countries of the world-and jews as a people,a race,a religion held to a different standard as well?Its been going on for so long ,in many different ways,not all overtly hostile,thats its not even realized,even by Jews themselves-who are often uncomfortable in any role but that of victim/appeaser?Or am I completely off the mark here?I'm sorry I let my thoughts carry me away on this one!But I've been ruminating on this for awhile now.I know I've digressed mightily here,but I AM incredibly curious about ,what,if anything,Obama has said publicly,about Jews(even semi-privately-like when he belonged to J>Wrights so-called church)Also anything overtly negative-thanx for putting up w/my diatribes good people,

Kittybootz

Miira,-and others

I'm curious,as a Jew,who ,pretty much mistakenly ,voted for this clown-I'm curious what he has said about the Jewish religion,considering after all that most American Jews voted for him and were on the forefront of the civil rights movement in this country
(including my Mom,who risked life and limb down south in the fifties registering black voters)He's spent so much time flattering Muslims...(Also I found that bow to the so-called-King of saudi arabia VERY disturbing-American presidents bow to NO ONE,esp. not monarchs of apartheid and gender apartheid countries (I'm sooooooooo sick of hearing that about Israel,I've been there,and it was about as far from apartheid as you can get---I have NOT been to S.A.(I believe as a Jewish woman I would not be allowed in-unless I was,I suppose,a "slave of the right hand")But I know a number of people ,of both sexes,who have.One had her Judeo-Xtian Bible confiscated upon entering the country)
What in heavens name is going on w/all these people(lefties and libs mainly,like myself)that they call Israel an apartheid state,but not Saudi,and other shariah ruled stated....Or is it that they arent apartheid b/c they've managed to kill,drive out,cow and convert all who arent exactly like them-after all would South africa been apartheid if all blacks w/in its borders were either driven out or killed?(Or is it just that most of the peoples of the world are very uncomfortable w/Jews standing up for themselves and not being the worlds eternal victim?Am I nuts-or is Israel held to a very different standard than the other countries of the world-and jews as a people,a race,a religion held to a different standard as well?Its been going on for so long ,in many different ways,not all overtly hostile,thats its not even realized,even by Jews themselves-who are often uncomfortable in any role but that of victim/appeaser?Or am I completely off the mark here?I'm sorry I let my thoughts carry me away on this one!But I've been ruminating on this for awhile now.I know I've digressed mightily here,but I AM incredibly curious about ,what,if anything,Obama has said publicly,about Jews(even semi-privately-like when he belonged to J>Wrights so-called church)Also anything overtly negative-thanx for putting up w/my diatribes good people,

Kittybootz

Oh,sorry about the typos and grammatical boo-boos.I didnt bother to proofread-sorry about the doublepost as well-the p.c. went slightly boffo,

thanx,
k.bootz

I won't ever show my face here ever again

See ya Ibe...

Recall that Nadal Hasan's (Ft. Hood murderer) business-card said "Soldier of Islam?"
That card for Obamanation should say:

Barack HUSSEIN Obama (PBUH)
Enabler of islam

I have some new information that is related to the thread. I heard on the radio the other day. As usual it has not be mentioned in the MSM.

Accordingly, the State Dept. is not renewing travel visas for Israeli nuclear workers coming to the US for refresher studies at universities related to their work. I forgot the name of the institution or agency the Israeli work for but the wording was specific that if they worked for that entity they were not allowed the visa.

It sure seems true. Could someone confirm this info? It does make sense that a Islamic bias president would pull something like this.

"I'm curious what he has said about the Jewish religion" - Kittybootz

Assuming Obama thinks like a Muslim, he would emulate the prophet of Islam:

"As al-insan al-kamil, the Model of Perfect Man, the figure of Muhammad is at the center of Islam, and everything he is reported to have done or said, or even remained silent about, in 7th century Arabia, remains as vivid, compelling, and emulous today." Hugh Fitzgerald

Emulating the 'perfect' example of this prophet, Obama would not necessarily be overt about his personal convictions about Judaism and/or Jews. However, during the campaign leading up to the 2008 Presidential election, details of Obama's associations surfaced. Many of these long term connections had histories of vivid, active, antisemitic proclivities. . .Reverend Jeremiah Wright, Father Pfleger, Louis Farakkhan, Rashid Khalidi, Samantha Powers (wife of Obama's regulatory czar, Cas Sunstein) come to mind. See this video outline Anti-Semitic Obama .

See also,

Anti-Semites congregate on candidate's official presidential campaign blog

Ben Shapiro: An Open Letter to American Jews

Barack Hussein Obama is on record as meeting with and soliciting the support of organizations just as distasteful as Stormfront and the Ku Klux Klan.

". . .Could someone confirm . . .the State Dept. is not renewing travel visas for Israeli nuclear workers?"- Im.mad.as.HELL!
Obama's New Policy : All Israeli Nuclear Workers Now Refused US Visas‏ - April 7, 2010 via JoshuaPundit

NRG/Maariv (Hebrew link only, sorry) reported today that the Israeli government was stunned when every nuclear technician at Israel's Dimona reactor who had submitted visa requests to visit the United States for ongoing university education in Physics, Chemistry and Nuclear Engineering had their visa applications summarily rejected, specifically because of their association with the Dimona reactor.
This is a new policy decision of the Obama administration. Up until now, it was routine for Israeli nuclear scientists and technicians to receive such visas and to study at US universities.
Israeli security officials have confirmed that these technicians are being denied visas solely because of their employment at the Dimona reactor.
Not only are employees at Dimonas taboo, but reportedly the US has an unofficial embargo on selling anything to be used at the site.
Professor Zeev Alfasi, the head of Nuclear Engineering at Ben-Gurion University in the Negev stated that "the United States doesn't sell anything nuclear-related to the Dimona reactor, and that means absolutely nothing. Radiation detectors, for example have to be purchased now in France because the USA refuses to sell these to Israel."

read the rest at the link above

however on April 9, 2010 . . .Ben Smith over at Politico reported
White House denies Israeli visa story

Thanks miira. 8^)

There counter spin reaction sound typical of, what shall I say, a muslim administration.

I would like to see this on Drudge. I am going to submit it but he probably has seen it.

That was an awesome interview. Good job Robert.

"Say Cheese!" ...lol

I love that picture of you, Robert :)

Wow. I am speechless. How long did it take you to think up such an amazing response?

Muslims are no more prone to being racist or bigoted than anyone else on here, or any where in the world. The only difference between this place and Stormfront is, this place focuses on Muslims alone. Stormfront go after Jews, blacks, Latinos & Muslims in pretty much the same manner Robert and his best buds, Pamela Geller & co.

The level of discourse is exactly the same.

You can try use the same old tired excuse of Muslims not being a race, therefore not racist argument all you want. It doesn't change the level of bigotry in what you say.

You can claim all you want, that Israel isn't an apartheid state, but that doesn't change the reality on the ground. What you saw, was only a small part of Israel. You have not seen what many others have. International observers, respected human rights activists & organizations, even many Jewish groups within Israel, all of who say the same thing.


And yes, you are right. Israel is held to a different standard, but not in the way you are thinking. They get away with far more things than anyone else ever would, only because of America's unwavering support and veto powers.

I haven't followed this issue closely, and haven't taken it very seriously. But it seems to me that the persistent claims that Obama is secretly a Muslim, or was a Muslim, are unfounded. Those who persist in claiming that Obama is secretly a Muslim (and thus is misleading, or deceiving, the public when he claims to be Christian) don't account adequately for the evidence that runs contrary to their claims. He's said he's a Christian, and he's reaffirmed this, at least, on Larry King, and in the interview with Bob Costas. Endless discussions about how Obama attended Quran classes etc. as a child proves nothing about what Obama believed at the time and nothing about what he believes now.

Some people cite the "my Muslim faith" quote without citing the surrounding context of the statement. I've listened to and watched the segment, taking into account what was said before that, and my understanding was that Obama was saying "my Muslim faith" in reference to the allegations that he was of the Muslim faith. In the interview, in the moment, Bob Costas then apparently felt the need to clarify this, and Obama clarified it, i.e., in saying "my Christian faith."

"Robert, you are a bigot and a racist."

No he isn't ...but you most certainly are an ignoramus.

Muslims are not a RACE, moron. Muslims come from many different races, so next time refer to your dictionary before making a complete and utter fool of yourself.

"Muslims are no more prone to being racist or bigoted than anyone else on here, or any where in the world"

Can you show me in the "Holy" Quran where it provides that muslims must be accepting of others (infidels, kufrs, Jews, etc.)? You know, Islam's golden rule. tap....tap....tap.....yawn....tap...tap...........

the Quran doesn't forbid Muslims from being kind or dealing justly with Non-muslims who are not hostile towards them:

“Allah does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion nor drove you out of your homes. Verily, Allah loves those who deal with equity” [al-Mumtahanah 60:8]

Short on manners aren't we? I guess good manners isn't a trait for people like you when dealing with people of opposing views. You can play semantics all day long with what racist means.
Roberts views are pretty clear. His bigotry and his hate for Muslims & his unbelievable levels of hypocrisy shines through every time he speaks.

And on top of that, he hangs with racist bigots like Pamela Geller who really has a pathological hatred for Obama & Muslims. She's just as big a wacko as Ann Coulter

"the Quran doesn't forbid Muslims from being kind or dealing justly with Non-muslims who are not hostile towards them"

Do allegedly "hostile" acts against Islam committed by one or a few condemn an entire people to the wrath of muslims?

Conversely, do allegedly "hostile" acts against Islam committed by a nation or a people condemn non-hostile individual members of said groupings to the wrath of muslims?

HAHAHAHAA!!! ...wow you're one to talk about manners, meathead.

Didn't you state this, Miss Manners:

"Robert, you are a bigot and a racist."

Hmp, what rotten manners you have, hypocrite!

Hey, make like a phoenix and fly away ....

Phoenix ...

You have a severe case of TRUTHOPHOBIA, which means you can't handle the truth about islam and/or muhammad -- or obama either.

Here's some more TRUTH that may be too hot for you to handle, muhammad burning in hell ...

http://s3.hubimg.com/u/2198606_f520.jpg

Hey, sorry if the truth hurts, but it's time you came to terms with the truth about muhammad.

Phoenix wrote:

"the Quran doesn't forbid Muslims from being kind or dealing justly with Non-muslims who are not hostile towards them: “Allah does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion nor drove you out of your homes. Verily, Allah loves those who deal with equity” [al-Mumtahanah 60:8]

"CaptainAmerica" asks "Phoenix" good questions, particularly in light of what Phoenix has claimed above about America and Israel.

Does Phoenix believe that America and Israel are not "fighting" Muslims but are dealing "justly" and "kindly" with Muslims? If Phoenix doesn't believe this, then how does he believe Muslims generally should treat American and Israeli non-Muslims? Which nations' people, today, does he include or exclude under the supposed protections offered by 60:8?

Does dealing "justly" and "kindly" mean commanding the right and forbidding the wrong from an Islamic perspective?

What protections, if any, are offered non-Muslims under 60:8? Let's focus on those who have not physically fought against nor "expelled" Muslims "from their homes":

1. Are apostates of Islam free to announce their apostasy publicly and candidly, without any penalty or punishment, and furthermore to try to peacefully persuade others to leave Islam?

2. Are critics of Islam free to draw cartoons of Muhammad and criticize Islam and Muhammad, without any penalty or punishment?

3. Does a tolerant interpretation of 60:8--a tolerant view that perhaps Phoenix holds--allow that Muslim women who remain Muslim can marry non-Muslim men who remain non-Muslim? What would it mean for a Muslim, or a Muslim legal system or government, to act "justly" and "kindly" (in the Islamic definitions of those terms) in regards to such a couple?

Next, Is verse 60:8 the only and final word on how Muslims should deal with different kinds of non-Muslims? What about non-Muslims who want to stop the spread of the implementation of sharia law? Are they being "unjust" and therefore disqualified from any protections offered by 60:8?

In what putative historical context was the verse 60:8 revealed originally? (And were there additional contexts in which it was recited?) And taking the context of the verse into account, is it relevant to the present day situation? Does Phoenix think this verse is telling him something about how he ought to deal with non-Muslim Americans, Israelis, etc.? If so, what does he think it's telling him to do, or not do, or say, or not say, in relation to these non-Muslims?

Whatever Phoenix may believe or tell us about 60:8, what does the majority of Muslims think of the verse? How does the majority of Muslims think non-Muslims in America, Israel, and elsewhere, currently, should be dealt with?

Also regarding "Phoenix"...here's what he wrote above [at April 29, 2010 9:58 AM] about Obama:

"Sending more troops to Afghanistan to kill more Muslims, which is how all Muslims see it."

His comments about Quran 60:8 must be seen in light of this and in light of his other comments above about America and Israel.

Thank you Jihad watch, your doing a good job.

miira, great marshalling of evidence.

I'd ask "Phoenix" to respond, but I think he's been blown out of the water -- if, that is, he deigned to read your comment and then actually read it without his brainwashing film occluding his eyesight.

On this general issue, I'd say that Obama is an islamochristian roughly in the same sense which Hugh Fitzgerald meant when he coined that term.

See Hugh Fitzgerald, The phenomenon of the "islamochristian"

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2005/12/fitzgerald-the-phenomenon-of-the-islamochristian.html

That coined term is trying to articulate a sociopsychological phenomenon whereby, for various different reasons, various non-Muslims become imbued with Islamic values and become so dhimmified they are virtually, though sometimes only semi-consciously, agents for Islam.

Another term that could help grasp this phenomenon would be Janissary.

So, to explain Obama's Islamophilia, we have recourse to at least three terms --

Dhimmi, Islamochristian, Janissary.

It is arguable that the extent and degree of Islamophilia which any one or any combination of these terms reflects exceeds the pro-Islam tendencies of the PC MC, and even of the Leftist or the radical Leftist. Obama is already a radical Leftist; what tips him over the edge to being any one or any combination of the above three terms would be the psycho-cultural legacy of his childhood -- not only his Islamic milieu in Indonesia, but the Islam of his fathers (it doesn't matter if they themselves weren't rigorously practicing Muslims -- we know how often even "Muslims-for-Identification-Purposes-Only" can't seem to shake the Islam in their systems), as well as the obvious Islamophilia of his white mother who went gallivanting off in her Leftist Romanticism with the Noble Savage to marry Muslim men in the Third World.

Even all the evidence marshaled by miira above does not further tip Obama over the edge from being a Dhimmi, Islamochristian, Janissary -- into being a Stealth Jihadist. Those three terms, particularly with the powerful position Obama enjoys, will to a great extent have the function of enabling the Stealth Jihad anyway, regardless of whether Obama is really Muslim or not. And I agree with Kinana's argument that Obama's Mohammedan Slip in his interview with George Stephanopoulos (not with Bob Costas as Kinana mistakenly wrote) is explainable in terms of semantic context. That semantic context is rather subtle and involves a familiarity with literary and grammatical phrasing. What Obama meant (so the argument goes) was: "...my alleged Muslim faith..." It is perfectly normal and legitimate for a person to phrase a comment implying, but not explicitly uttering, a parenthetical specification such as "alleged". While there is wiggle room for a claim of ambiguity here that could possibly provide leverage for the Muslim theory, in my estimation it's just not sufficient to substantiate a charge as momentous and grave as that Obama is actually a Stealth Jihadist working to plot the grandest Stealth Jihad Op in history.

I tend to subscribe to the Carl Sagan Rule on accusations: The more serious the accusation, the more you need solid smoking gun evidence. To which I would add Ockham's Razor, by which it would be argued that everything so far Obama has said and done can already be explained by his being a Dhimmi, Islamochristian, and or a Janissary.

Hesp,

Thanks. My mistake. It was Stephanopoulos, not Costas. I'm not sure how I mixed up those names!

Also note the other part of Obama's clarification in the confusion after the key phrase, where, after affirming "my Christian faith," he said something to the effect of "Well, what I'm saying is he [i.e., McCain] hasn't suggested..." (which is rather difficult to hear because Stephanopoulos keeps interrupting and interjecting).

Perhaps Phoenix doesn't want to answer the questions raised above by "Captain America" and I? If not, why not?

I totally agree with Champ,

Why, you berate her "shortness" of manners, then in the same post say:
"Roberts views are pretty clear. His bigotry and his hate for Muslims & his unbelievable levels of hypocrisy shines through every time he speaks. And on top of that, he hangs with racist bigots like Pamela Geller who really has a pathological hatred for Obama & Muslims. She's just as big a wacko as Ann Coulter".

How can I with good manners articulate best your very clear double standards about good manners?

And that's it. Many Muslims and Islam-defenders take refuge in "lack of manners, respect". When they are criticized they invariably concentrate on the tone, trying in effect to boycott, outlaw the contents.

But how in good manners, with respect can one:
'EXPOSE something bad or stupid? Is it possible to in good manners and with respect CONDEMN something bad? Or in good manners and with respect hold people accountable for what they do badly, they support that is bad, believe what is "not very smart to believe"? You obviously can't do it.

And surely you agree we must apply the same standards worldwide everywhere? (If not, why not?) So also to the Islamic leaders and media? Take for instance their very very hostile and insulting attitude concerning Jews? Not racist and bigoted????? These are YOUR friends!!!

Kinana,

You might have semi-consciously picked up on the fact that "Costas" is also a Greek name like "Stephanopoulos".

Bob Costas's father was a Greek-American. In this Time interview, Costas said:

"My father's side of the family is fully, 100% Greek. My grandmother was from Athens, and my paternal grandfather was from the island of Kalymnos. After he got to the United States, he ran a travel agency that specialized in bringing people from Kalymnos to the U.S."

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,994933,00.html

Firing broadsides of truth since 1776.

So you have a man who has never met Omaba, never talked with him directly about his religious beliefs, who completely discounts that he had a Christian wedding, attends Christian churches, has never had a single witness come forward to say that he has ever atended a house of islam in the last 30 years say "his policies are in line with the muslim religion". Do yourself a favor, get off the internet, out of you house, take off the tinfoil hat and actually do some good in the world. This "interview" is meaningless, and worse, simply extenuates a stereotype. If you love America, then you should love standing up for the truth against rag "scholors" who profess knowledge they do not possess. A True American, like a John McCain, can disagree with the policies of Obama, but stand up against alsehoods for the sake of slinging mud. Have some honor.

IT actually is not a great answer. He says nothing of value, just hyperbole.

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