"This is war of religion, not just a war between Arabs and Israelis...this is an Islamic war, which will end in victory only under the banner of Jihad"

Here is yet more indication that the war against Israel is a jihad against Israel, motivated by an antisemitism with deep, ancient roots in Islam -- and thus it will not be solved by Israeli concessions, or the establishment of a Palestinian state. The one thing we can be sure of about this is that Western analysts will ignore it, as they have all the other indications of the same thing. "Calls for Jihad in a Rally of Kuwaiti Students Union: This Is a War of Religion, Not a War between Israelis and Arabs," from MEMRITV, March 29 (thanks to all who sent this in):

The following excerpts are from a rally in which Kuwaiti students show solidarity with the Palestinian cause. The rally aired on Al-Jazeera TV on March 29, 2010.

Kuwait poet Ahmad Al-Kandari: We call upon the Arab rulers to stop being naïve, to stop submitting [peace] initiatives, to stop tormenting the Palestinian people, to stop being so feeble and weak, and to support the mujahideen of Hamas, not [Mahmoud] Abbas, the traitor.

[...]

I call upon everybody to repeat after me:

The fortresses will never fall as long as our blood flows.

The fortresses will never fall...

Crowds: As long as our blood flows.

Ahmad Al-Kandari: The fortresses will never fall...

Crowds: ...As long as our blood flows.

Ahmad Al-Kandari: We are the soldiers of Hamas, and Jihad is our path.

We are the soldiers of Hamas, and Jihad is our path.

Generation after generation - we will never recognize Israel.

Generation after generation - we will never...

Crowds: ...Recognize Israel.

Ahmad Al-Kandari: We will never ever...

Crowd: ...Recognize Israel.

Ahmad Al-Kandari: Oh generation, strive for victory, and accept nothing less than victory. Tell the night about the men on the battlefront, who felled heresy with a deadly blow. We lay in wait, watching them advance, with a well-planned ambush ready for them. A voice arose: "Kill them, inflict endless wounds upon them."

[...]

This is a message to the Zionists, the murderous, treacherous, and occupying Zionists, the Zionists who rob our history and steal our antiquities. Say to Zion: We have brought slaughter upon you, and we shall watch you dying. You will encounter our army of Al-Qassam, for whom death serves as a cloak.

[...]

Say to Zion: "We have brought slaughter upon you, and we shall watch you dying. You will encounter our army of Al-Qassam, for whom death serves as a cloak. We have turned your trickery back against you with soldiers who do not hesitate to slaughter you." A voice arose: "Kill them, inflict endless wounds upon them."

[...]

Kuwait MP Jama'an Al-Harbash: Allah willing, a war will be waged between us and them - the war foretold by the Prophet Muhammad: "Judgment Day will not come before you fight the Jews - with them on the west bank of the river, and you on the east bank - and the trees and the stones will say: Oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me. Come and kill him." This war is drawing near, Allah willing.

That is a famous hadith. You can find several iterations of it in this hadith collection, which is recognized by Muslims as one of the most reliable of such collections.

Crowds: Khaybar, Khaybar, oh Jews! The army of Muhammad has begun its return. The army of Muhammad has begun its return.

Jama'an Al-Harbash: That day draws near, my dear ones. As for the [Arab] regimes, the obstacles, the countries of surrender and appeasement, and those who have forsaken the holy places and the land, in their efforts to cling to their seats and pass them on [to their sons] - they will be trampled underfoot by the mujahideen.

The promise of Allah is more true than theirs. The word of Allah is more true than theirs. The blood of the mujahideen is more true than their lies and deceit. This is a war of religion, not just a war between Arabs and Israelis, or a war between liberators and occupiers. This is an ideological war, an Islamic war, which will end in victory only under the banner of Jihad. The glory of this war will not be earned by Abu Mazen and the collaborators. It will be earned by the mujahideen.

[...]

Kuwait student leader 'Abd Al-'Aziz Dahi Al-Fadhli: History has proven, ever since 1948, that peace with the sons of Zion is to no avail, and that the only option is the Islamic resistance and support for the Islamic resistance.

We say to our Arab regimes: Today is the day of support for the resistance. Today is the day for declaring Jihad. There is no path of reconciliation and negotiations. Jihad, and Jihad alone.

[...]

Khaybar, Khaybar, oh Jews, the army of Muhammad will return! [...]

Khaybar. As I explain in my book The Truth About Muhammad, Muhammad led a Muslim force against the Khaybar oasis, which was inhabited by Jews -- many of whom he had previously exiled from Medina. When he did so, he was not responding to any provocation. One of the Muslims later remembered: "When the apostle raided a people he waited until the morning. If he heard a call to prayer he held back; if he did not hear it he attacked. We came to Khaybar by night, and the apostle passed the night there; and when morning came he did not hear the call to prayer, so he rode and we rode with him....We met the workers of Khaybar coming out in the morning with their spades and baskets. When they saw the apostle and the army they cried, 'Muhammad with his force,' and turned tail and fled. The apostle said, 'Allah Akbar! Khaybar is destroyed. When we arrive in a people's square it is a bad morning for those who have been warned.'"

The Muslim advance was inexorable. "The apostle," according to Muhammad's earliest biographer, Ibn Ishaq, "seized the property piece by piece and conquered the forts one by one as he came to them." Another biographer of Muhammad, Ibn Sa'd, reports that the battle was fierce: the "polytheists...killed a large number of [Muhammad's] Companions and he also put to death a very large number of them....He killed ninety-three men of the Jews..." Muhammad and his men offered the fajr prayer, the Islamic dawn prayer, before it was light, and then entered Khaybar itself. The Muslims immediately set out to locate the inhabitants' wealth. A Jewish leader of Khaybar, Kinana bin al-Rabi, was brought before Muhammad; Kinana was supposed to have been entrusted with the treasure of on of the Jewish tribes of Arabia, the Banu Nadir. Kinana denied knowing where this treasure was, but Muhammad pressed him: "Do you know that if we find you have it I shall kill you?" Kinana said yes, that he did know that.

Some of the treasure was found. To find the rest, Muhammad gave orders concerning Kinana: "Torture him until you extract what he has." One of the Muslims built a fire on Kinana's chest, but Kinana would not give up his secret. When he was at the point of death, one of the Muslims beheaded him. Kinana's wife was taken as a war prize; Muhammad claimed her for himself and hastily arranged a wedding ceremony that night. He halted the Muslims' caravan out of Khaybar later that night in order to consummate the marriage.

Muhammad agreed to let the people of Khaybar to go into exile, allowing them to keep as much of their property as they could carry. The Prophet of Islam, however, commanded them to leave behind all their gold and silver. He had intended to expel all of them, but some, who were farmers, begged him to allow them to let them stay if they gave him half their yield annually. Muhammad agreed: "I will allow you to continue here, so long as we would desire." He warned them: "If we wish to expel you we will expel you." They no longer had any rights that did not depend upon the good will and sufferance of Muhammad and the Muslims. And indeed, when the Muslims discovered some treasure that some of the Khaybar Jews had hidden, he ordered the women of the tribe enslaved and seized the perpetrators' land. A hadith notes that "the Prophet had their warriors killed, their offspring and woman taken as captives."

Thus when modern-day jihadists invoke Khaybar, they are recalling an aggressive, surprise raid by Muhammad which resulted in the final eradication of the once considerable Jewish presence in Arabia. To the jihadists, Khaybar means the destruction of the Jews and the seizure of their property by the Muslims.

Young boy: There is no god but Allah. Allah loves the martyrs. You have taught us what it means to be a man. All the money in the world will not make us forget.

All the money in the world? You mean, American aid won't win over your heart and mind?

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Why does this rhetoric remind me of Adolf HItler?

"This Is a War of Religion, Not a War between Israelis and Arabs,"

Perhaps unwittingly, the Kuwaiti Students Union is stating the bold truth: This is a war of religion (in the singular). It's not a war BETWEEN religions (as in the over-used and false expression "sectarian strife"), but a war of ONE religion, specifically Islam. It's a war that Islam started, and that Islam has continued.

"...this is an Islamic war, which will end in victory only under the banner of Jihad" -- from the headline

...or not. My bet is on the latter. Jerks.

Kuwait poet Ahmad Al-Kandari...

He's not a very good poet, none of his verses rhyme...I would guess that he is a poet because there are no jobs available for shoe repair boys, and the janitorial positions, both of them, are already filled...I can tell by the way he is dressed that any actual work is out of the question, no one who intends to work dresses like that...I wonder how much 'poet' pays in Kuwait?
He's right that this is a religious war...on the Mahoundians part...Allah and Mahound told them to fight this religious war a long time ago, and so far has not canceled those orders.
And so they fight...Jihad for the causes of Allah is perpetual warfare. 'Fight them until', is open ended and has no expiration date...'Until' is not achievable...The religious war will only end when it becomes too expensive for Mahoundians to continue...And even then it won't really end, because it is an ideology that will eventually rise again...it always has...

As Obama Golfs, the World slips to the Abyss well greased by his flowery rhetoric of hope and change.

The call to war and bloodshed couldn't be clearer. As taanstafl said, there's a chilling similarity in these rants to those of Hitler. Some then thought he was a madman who could be temporarily appeased and then the world would right itself again. But they were wrong, of course.

Many appeasers in the West would have us repeat the same mistake again, this time with Islam and its push for world domination.

Can anyone remind me again as to why the West saved Kuwait from Saddam?

I've read the Sirat Rasul many times before, but I always relish it when Robert gives us a history lesson from Islam's own sources...to showcase the contemptible and violent nature of Muhammad. Notice how he married Kinana's wife immediately after murdering the Jewish leader, identical behavior to when he married Sufaiya of the Banu Qurayzah after slaughtering her husband, father and brothers.

This is the "exemplar for all humanity."

As to the Banu Qurayzah, recall the fate of that Jewish tribe, as recounted by Muhammad's biographer Ibn Ishaq:

Then they surrendered, and the apostle confined them in Medina in the quarter of d. al-Harith, a woman of B. al-Najjar. Then the apostle went out to the market of Medina (which is still its market today) and dug trenches in it. Then he sent for them and struck off their heads in those trenches as they were brought out to him in batches. Among them was the enemy of Allah Huyayy b. Akhtab and Ka`b b. Asad their chief. There were 600 or 700 in all, though some put the figure as high as 800 or 900. As they were being taken out in batches to the apostle they asked Ka`b what he thought would be done with them. He replied, 'Will you never understand? Don't you see that the summoner never stops and those who are taken away do not return? By Allah it is death!' This went on until the apostle made an end of them.

This is in Kuwait, or "brave little Kuwait," -- all Arab countries that arehe same size or two or three or four or five times as large as Israel are called "little" or "tiny" but Israel itself is never described as such, but rather described, impliedly, as a mighty and aggressive Empire, though it is smaller than Greater Philadelphia -- as we were so carefully taught to think of it during the Gulf War.

Remember that far back -- back to 1991? Remember all those Kuwaiti babies being snatched from nurseries, or smothered in their beds, by those Iraqis? Remember how the United States formed a huge armada, by air and sea, and rescued Kuwait, and its As-Sabah rulers (remember that "library of pornography that the As-Sabah rulers had assembled, and that the Iraqis had discovered, and that was carefully denied as "Iraqi propaganda"?), from the attacking-from-without Iraqi Arabs, aided by the subverting-from-withinfifth column of "Palestinian" Arabs inside Kuwait.

And remember how the Kuwaitis -- with the eternal gratitude of spotless minds -- would never forget America for having helped them, and never forget, either, the perfidy of those local "Palestinians" to whom they had given refuge? Remember how Kuwait would now become forever our true-blue ally?

Look at the tape of this Kuwaiti spouting what is, after all, the permanent reality of minds on Islam. How does the American government propose to deal with minds on Islam, to counter them, to check them, to contain them, if the word has gone out from on high that Islam is never to be mentioned, except, of course, if it is to be praised?

How?

We want to know.

Can anyone remind me again as to why the West saved Kuwait from Saddam?

Same reason the West puts up with anything Islamic: oil.

If Saddam had conquered, say, a sub-Saharan country or a Central Asian country, the West would have said "Tsk Tsk" but would not have done anything.

They sure recognize Israel when the IDF is kicking their asses...

Yes, oil, of course. But, no doubt we also thought that by by helping "little" Kuwait, freeing it from the tyrant's yoke, bringing it safety and stability, we would ensure its support in the future.

But we were so wrong -- none of that counts at all for Kuwaitis. According to this video, Islam trumps everything.

Here is 9/11 POTUS/Commander-in-chief:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_ZoroJdVnA

Anything wrong with this picture on, 9/17/2001?

What a fraud and a thug Mohammed was. If you admire this man, you can never say that you treasure freedom and tolerance. And if you admire this man, there's something wrong with you.

From the Hadiths: "When the apostle raided a people he waited until the morning. If he heard a call to prayer he held back; if he did not hear it he attacked."

This exemplifies a warlord who checks on his subjugated subjects for their allegiance to him and his demands on them. They failed to act in proper 'submission' to the warlord by calling to his god in morning prayer, so he attacked them to put them back into proper submission, and deprive them of their freedoms and goods, especially the women, and their lives. Such is what the 7th century Arab warlord unleashed on the people of Khaybar and the world, from North Africa to East Asia, a forced 'submission' to his megalomaniacal demands of world conquest (for his uncle's pagan moon-god Al-Ylah, renamed Allah, in exclusion of all the other gods at the Kabah), as demanded by a delusional, illiterate, acromegaly distorted epileptic, lust driven warlord, craving power and booty, especially women slaves and little girl. He ordered his subjects to obey his call to prayer to his god, and if they failed to obey, he attacked them. This Hadith was repeated by millions for fourteen centuries of subjugation for his uncle's moon-god, Allah, to the tune of death and enslavement, countless families destroyed, whole people and culture falling to genocide, all in the name of Mohammad. Today, some 1.2 billion humans of the planet are enslaved to this morning call to prayer to Mohammad's god.

This Cult of Allah must be banned, and their Islamics command centers, the mosques, be put out of business. Islamic Jihad is a monstrous crime against all humanity.

Although Israel may have no friends in the current US administration, I hope they realize that they have many friends amongst the American people.

Nixon was forced to resign when his misconduct and his refusal to recognize the limits of his power under The Constitution threatened the stability of this nation. Congress may not be good for much, but they at least got rid of a rogue POTUS.

Obama would do well to keep that in mind.

What a peaceful religion!

"Nixon was forced to resign when his misconduct and his refusal to recognize the limits of his power under The Constitution threatened the stability of this nation. Congress may not be good for much, but they at least got rid of a rogue POTUS.
"Obama would do well to keep that in mind."

Nixon's misconduct was a mere fraction of that of Slick Willy, and that of BHO, even though the latter has had only a year and some months in office.
But Nixon faced a hostile Congress, while Willy did not, and BHO does not. So they got, and get, away with roguery far worse than anything Tricky ever contemplated.

Khaybar was the beginning of something big. Yes, there were grand moments earlier in the glorious history of Islam, moments in which any Moslem can revel: the Expedition to Naklah with robbery killings and kidnapping (called felony murder in Infidel societies), the contract murder of Abu Afak, the contract murder of the suckling mother Asma Marwan, all moments to make a Moslem's chest swell with pride.

*** 33:21 ***

But oh Khaybar. Robbery on a grand scale, replete with the mercy of Mohammed in the form of serfdom on stolen land, holy land.

And what made Khaybar so great was when Mohammed had his Companions build a camp fire on Kinana's chest to extract the location of the Jews' gold and silver. He didn't get the info out of Kinana and didn't get the coins. Frustrated, The Holy Prophet (as the late great Tim Russert liked to call him) had Kinana's head chopped off, but had the leadership and restraint to not be bitter, and to lead a classy life after that particular murder.

*** 8:12 ***

Praise Allah! Praise Mohammed! Praise the glory of Islam and of all Moslems past, present and future! Moslems are classy people! Yea!

MUSINGS OF A REALIST

HUGH: "How does the American government propose to deal with minds on Islam, to counter them, to check them, to contain them, if the word has gone out from on high that Islam is never to be mentioned, except, of course, if it is to be praised? How?"

Your question was obviously rhetorical, for we all know this Administration certainly has no answers. I guess we're left biding our time until that great epiphany-in-waiting so many of us are naively counting on, when it will suddenly dawn on the broader society what had dawned on us here long ago.

Some suggest that an atrocity of calamitous degree will be the catalyst. I answer, "what the fuck was 9-11?"

Others are hoping for the steady drip of blood-stained reality that will eventually result in a tipping point when the majority finally "get it". But even then, even in a Democracy, popular wisdom is not necessarily the panacea for the determined policies of a self-deluded elite (as Europe is becoming increasingly aware).

The prognosis is not good, folks.

Still, one wonders if the eccentricities and vagaries of human nature might eventually conspire against the RoP, succeeding where all our official efforts failed, exposing Islam for the intellectual/spiritual straight-jacket it is, and someday rendering it obsolete.

I'm not holding my breath.

What I'm going to post isn't exactly on topic, but it's about where I first found a link to that video:

http://www.newenglishreview.org/The_Iconoclast/

For those Jihadwatch readers who still aren't in the habit of checking out New English Review's The Iconoclast, you sure don't know what you've been missing. It is an awesome and must-check-on-a-regular-basis blog, and among its great contributors is the one and only Hugh Fitzgerald.

Your question was obviously rhetorical, for we all know this Administration certainly has no answers.

Oh yes they do. The answer is to appease them, respect them, fund them, and above all not offend them.

*** Bukhari Vol 2 Bk 24 Nbr 555 ***

The question is whether the answer will work. But no matter, Prez Osama doesn't like questions anyway, he likes to give answers. All day long.

"Kuwait MP Jama'an Al-Harbash: Allah willing, a war will be waged between us and them - the war foretold by the Prophet Muhammad: "Judgment Day will not come before you fight the Jews - with them on the west bank of the river, and you on the east bank - and the trees and the stones will say: Oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me. Come and kill him." This war is drawing near, Allah willing"

"Kuwait poet Ahmad Al-Kandari: We call upon the Arab rulers to stop being naïve, to stop submitting [peace] initiatives, to stop tormenting the Palestinian people, to stop being so feeble and weak..."


yep, LIBERATING these Kuwaiti SWINE from Sadaam Hussein has sure "changed them" and "made the world a better place"-NOT!.

Even in 1991,the media treated DESERT STORM,as if it was the equivalent of the "Liberation of Belgium" in World War II.


As for that Kuwaiti "POET":

The same 62 yr old TURNSPEAK.

He knows DAMNED WELL why the Palestinians are in their "situation" which is:
The Arab/Muslim USE of them as a STICK against Israel.

Kuwait "loves the Palestinians " so much that they EXPELLED them ,After Liberation, for being Sadaam Hussein's Quisling 5th columnists.

"Kuwait MP Jama'an Al-Harbash: Allah willing, a war will be waged between us and them - the war foretold by the Prophet Muhammad: "Judgment Day will not come before you fight the Jews - with them on the west bank of the river, and you on the east bank - and the trees and the stones will say: Oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me. Come and kill him." This war is drawing near, Allah willing"

"Kuwait poet Ahmad Al-Kandari: We call upon the Arab rulers to stop being naïve, to stop submitting [peace] initiatives, to stop tormenting the Palestinian people, to stop being so feeble and weak..."


yep, LIBERATING these Kuwaiti SWINE from Sadaam Hussein has sure "changed them".

Even in 1991,the media treated DESERT STORM,as if it was the equivalent of the "Liberation of Belgium" in World War II.


As for that Kuwaiti "POET":

The same 62 yr old TURNSPEAK.

He knows DAMNED WELL why the Palestinians are in their "situation" which is:
The Arab/Muslim USE of them as a STICK against Israel.

Kuwait "loves the Palestinians " so much that they EXPELLED them ,After Liberation, for being Sadaam Hussein's Quisling 5th columnists.

Dear readers,
I'm sorry to go off message, but I will stay within the strand of "This is a war of religion......"
What war ! What sort of war ?

A government empoyee at the UK Foreign Office has circulated the most vile itenerary for the forth coming visit of his Holiness the Pope to Britain.
Can you imagine the outrage from the Left-wing had a similar document detailing a visit on how to occupy a Muslim Cleric's time if it included :

Front seat at an honour killing.
Opening a Hospital Ward for 10 - 12 year old female genital castration.
Guest of honour at a bomb assembly plant.

So what happened to the genius with his great plans for occupying the Pope ?
IT was assigned other duties.
What would have happened to the genius with a plan along my scenario ?
IT would have been sacked on the spot.

Like the 1976 film "Network" is remembered for one line in particular :

"I'm as mad as hell and I can't take it anymore".

Calls for Jihad in a Rally of Kuwaiti Students Union
.................

As so many above have noted, this comes from "moderate" Kuwait.

More:

The following excerpts are from a rally in which Kuwaiti students show solidarity with the Palestinian cause.
.................

The above is Western leftist speak. It should read: "Muslims supporting other Muslims in the cause of Jihad against Infidels"—all the rest is mere detail.

More:

Kuwait poet Ahmad Al-Kandari: We call upon the Arab rulers to stop being naïve, to stop submitting [peace] initiatives, to stop tormenting the Palestinian people, to stop being so feeble and weak, and to support the mujahideen of Hamas, not [Mahmoud] Abbas, the traitor.
.................

When Westerners hear about Muslims criticizing rulers in the Muslim world, they almost always assume that those Muslims are calling for more freedom and democracy.

Often, what they are really calling for—as we see here—is more and more Islam. For Muslim rulers to throw themselves and their nations into full Jihad, and not even pretend to deal in a reasonable, diplomatic manner with Infidels—whether minority populations in the their own countries, or foreign Infidel nations.

Notice "poet" Ahmad Al-Kandari' call against "heresy"—anything that might temper the full violent impulse of Islam.

More from the "poet": "Say to Zion: We have brought slaughter upon you, and we shall watch you dying." Imagine, if you will, the outcry if a *Jewish* poet were to say such a thing with reference to the "Palestinians"? Actually, one cannot imagine it. Now, further imagine him speaking such hideous words to a cheering, bloodthirsty crowd of students in Tel Aviv. Completely incomprehensible. Such a thing would never happen.

And it is not just some crazy "poet". Here is Kuwaiti MP Jama'an Al-Harbash, quoting the horrifying Hadith about the murder of Jews in the last days.

And the vicious crowd of "students" responds with cries of "Kaybar, Kaybar"—the hideous significance of which Robert Spencer details above.

My full brothers and me against my half-brothers, all of my brothers against my cousins, all of our clan against outsiders...

The only hope for Middle Eastern Peace will be if China invades the region, then we'll hear all kind of calls for solidarity among the Muslims and Ahl-al-Kitab.

Do I sound cynical?

Despite muslim rantings, Israel lives forever! True Hindus strongly support Israel and our Jewish brothers/sisters. Long live Israel!! I firmly believe that only a US/India/Israel alliance can defeat islamists resoundingly, although under the present US administration such an alliance is unlikely.

It's a shrill message alright. The kid finally brings the only sanity on the tape. A hand reaches in to the audio controls trying to squelch the high end barrage (the kid even winced at his own words coming from the speakers)

Spoken like true Nazis.Looks like Islam has taken over the
mantle of Nazism.

People need to know the truth about what Islam says about Jews,Gays,Woman's rights and people who leave Islam to join another faith.

"How does the American government propose to deal with minds on Islam..." -- Hugh

Indeed, as Cornelius has already commented on. They'd better start thinking, because they don't have all the time in the world to come up with an answer. The demographic bomb is already ticking (compare the population statistics of the OIC countries over the past 50 years to Europe. Spending a little time comparing population growth of various countries over the past 50 years is eye opening, and disturbing. Did you know that Pakistan and Bangladesh each have populations of about 160M people, with a combined total greater than the U.S. and not far behind the E.U.? Compare the flat stats on Ireland and Benelux, and the shrinking populations of the Baltic and Nordic countries, against the booming populations of Northern Africa.

Of course, this is why the E.U. instituted the immigration programs to bring in cheap labor from these countries. Now they find themselves caught between the Scylla of having become dependent on this cheap labor and the Charybdis of being culturally swamped by them because of their refusal to integrate.

Again consulting the data in the link above, about the only place in the West where birth rates compare with Muslim birth rates is in heavily Catholic Latin America. Could it be that our Spanish and Portuguese speaking friends south of the border, and their cousins in the U.S., end up becoming the dominant defenders of the West? They do have a good pedigree, with Isabella and Ferdinand. There are some interesting angles to this that aren't immediately obvious, so will have to think this through carefully.

Some further thoughts on the population problem, in particular what concrete measures could be taken to reverse the imbalance between Muslim birthrates and those of the rest of the world (Latin America excepted).

There are several competing factors involved. First, simply ramping up the birthrates in the West might work in the short run (short run meaning 50 years, or about two generations), and it could perhaps be done by something as simple as giving tax credits for children, or even paying parents to have children. The problem with this is that it adds to the already dangerously overpopulated planet as a whole, and hastens the day of reckoning when we are unable to cope with minor glitches in the economic system or large scale natural disasters that lead to wide spread "involuntary" reduction in populations.

A better solution would be to find a way to reduce the population growth of every country with a high growth rate, with the goal of stabilizing at some level that is demonstrably sustainable indefinitely. I know this is flirting with some of the ideas that the Green folks have, but in this they happen to be right - you can't go on increasing the population of the world indefinitely without the Four Horsemen being unleashed at some point. But I am at a loss about what concrete measures could realistically be taken to limit the population growth in the high growth countries. The Left thinks it can be done solely by economic means, and this is what they have put their hopes on. On some days I tend to agree with the view of the Left on this, but only because of the lack of alternatives.

But as readers here know, this doesn't take into account the pernicious social forces inside Islam that resist limiting population growth. Muslims even crow about swamping the West demographically. On most days a cynical view dominates, where the Islam vs the Rest of the World problem will be solved in the time-honored fashion of an outright clash. This might alleviate the problem, but it would probably only be temporary and would not be a pretty thing to see (or live through).

But Nixon faced a hostile Congress, while Willy did not, and BHO does not.

What does that tell you about what we must do between now and the first Tuesday in November?

And yes, I'm well aware of the GOP's shortcomings. At this point they matter little. BHO and his gang MUST be checked -- and it can be done.

Throw the bums out, Papa!

I have a question - for Cornelius, or anyone else who supported the 1991 'liberation' of Kuwait. How would the US have been worse off had it

  • Recognized Iraq's annexation of Kuwait
  • Replaced Kuwait as an oil supplier w/ Iraq
  • Formed a new friendship treaty w/ Iraq as a fallback just in case Saudi Arabia was overrun
  • Make backroom deals w/ Saddam to enrich/empower him personally even more, while getting him to ensure that the supply of oil continues.

Somehow, I just can't see how the US would have been worse off. Saddam would have made his country majority Sunni by doing this, and despite his recent treaty w/ Iran, he'd have had something to offset his Shia population, as well as the threat from Syria. Also, Iraq wasn't going to be of much use against the Soviets, since it was almost clear that they were near a meltdown (Operation Desert Storm ended just shortly before the putsch that attempted to topple Gorbachyev).

So let's say Saddam Hussein overran Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, Bahrein, Oman and Yemen, if the US had decided to be friends w/ Iraq and recognize this new Iraqi empire, how would they have been worse off?

Also, historically, there was never any entity called Kuwait, nor for that matter Iraq, or Saudi Arabia, or UAE, etc. So what exactly was the US defending?

I agree with you with one exception - the world does not operate in a vacuum. The Muslim world is constantly playing Russia, Europe, China, India & the US against each other. How do you know a back room deal wasn't made? I personally would like to see this back door deal - US, China & Russia form a hegemony using primarily Indian troops over the Islamic world for any pretense it can. India has plenty of animosity against Islam. Free oil for India to drive its economy and compensate it for its military involvement. Confiscate their oil wealth as reparations for all of the terrorism it exports. The Chinese and Russians have no problem with slaughter. It is our weak knee'd government that doesn't have the back done to deal decisively with the issue.

As you point out, the population clock is ticking, and Western leaders are dithering.
Here are the population figures for the ten largest countries in 1950, and then in 2010: [from the Census Bureau's International Data Base]
1950
1. China------562.6 million
2. India------369.9
3. USA--------152.3
4. Russia-----101.9
5. Japan-------83.8
6. Indonesia---83.0
7. Germany-----68.4
8. Brazil------53.4
9. UK----------50.1
10.Italy-------47.1
11.Bangladesh--45.6
13.Pakistan----39.4
15.Nigeria-----31.8

2010
1. China------1330.1-----1.4% average annual growth
2. India------1173.1-----1.9%
3. USA---------310.2-----1.2%
4. Indonesia---243.0-----1.8%
5. Brazil------201.1-----2.2%
6. Pakistan----177.3-----2.5%
7. Bangladesh--158.1-----2.1%
8. Nigeria-----152.2-----2.6%
9. Russia------139.4-----0.5%
10.Japan-------126.8-----0.6%
15.Germany------82.3-----0.3%
22.UK-----------61.3-----0.3%
23.Italy--------58.1-----0.4%

The situation is even worse than the raw figures show, since the effect of immigration is not shown. Thus the US' growth is due mostly to immigration, not to natural increase. Likewise Germany, the UK, and Italy have all accepted millions of immigrants. Without them, their populations would have declined. The reverse is in effect in Pakistan and Bangladesh, both of which have seen tens of millions emigrate.

Good post, Eastview. I only question one point:

"Of course, this is why the E.U. instituted the immigration programs to bring in cheap labor from these countries. Now they find themselves caught between the Scylla of having become dependent on this cheap labor and the Charybdis of being culturally swamped by them because of their refusal to integrate."

Given the large number of Muslims on welfare in the West, I wonder if, in aggregate, the "cheap labor" argument stands at all? Certainly, when you factor in crime, increased need for police and prisons, court personnel, etc—not to mention the terrible cultural price—it does not—but even just in terms of cheap source of labor vs. welfare costs, I'm not sure Europe comes out ahead—even on paper, even in the short term.

So what *is* going on? I think it has as much to do with Europe's insane "deux rivistes" narrative, and its view of itself as an open and tolerant society—even in the face of that which is not open and not tolerant—as it does with anything even nominally practical.

IP: "I have a question - for Cornelius, or anyone else who supported the 1991 'liberation' of Kuwait. How would the US have been worse off had it

* Recognized Iraq's annexation of Kuwait
* Replaced Kuwait as an oil supplier w/ Iraq
* Formed a new friendship treaty w/ Iraq as a fallback just in case Saudi Arabia was overrun
* Make backroom deals w/ Saddam to enrich/empower him personally even more, while getting him to ensure that the supply of oil continues.

"So let's say Saddam Hussein overran Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, Bahrein, Oman and Yemen, if the US had decided to be friends w/ Iraq and recognize this new Iraqi empire, how would they have been worse off?"

RESPONSE: Doing a deal with Saddam would have been tantamount to doing a deal with Hitler. Both were a megalomaniacs who could never be trusted. Allowing Saddam to keep Kuwait would have made him a regional super-power with a fantastically wealthy financial portfolio to go along with his then-formidable military...and would also have set a dangerous precedent for border revisionism in the region. As you suggest, there is every possibility that after consolidating his control of Kuwait, he would have moved on his other neighbors. Where was it to have stopped?

I don't happen to desire the emergence of an Arab strongman...or Arab unity of any type. It would only enhance their capacity for concerted action and an effective marshaling of resources. I prefer the Arab world weak and divided.

"This Is a War of Religion, Not a War between Israelis and Arabs,"

Quite true. On both sides. (The Israeli Jews say the land is Biblically (Given to them by God and so they will never give it up.)

"Judgment Day will not come before you fight the Jews - ..."
Geez, Muslims and Jews have been fighting for 1,400 years! When will the DoJ finally arrive? LOL?

"American aid won't win over your heart and mind?"
What American aid?"

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