Turkey: Two-day-old girl murdered in honor killing

"The baby was suffocated by her grandmother after the family learned the 25-year-old mother became pregnant out of wedlock, Anatolian said."

It takes two to tango....why not go after the Muslim father also?....

Prosecuting the Muslim Male partner is usually Un-Islamic...as usual, the woman is treated badly and suffers..

If you are a Muslim woman...Are you thinking?....

As a Swedish citizen I feel ashamed over my government's official policy of supporting a Turkish membership in the EU. I try the best I can to take a personal stand by refusing to buy Turkish products. I also boycot products from other muslim countries. Voting with your feet is the only way to influence these medieval cultures, and force them to change.

As a Swedish citizen I feel ashamed over my government's official policy of supporting a Turkish membership in the EU. I try the best I can to take a personal stand by refusing to buy Turkish products. I also boycot products from other muslim countries. Voting with your feet is the only way to influence these medieval cultures, and force them to change.

Just before we all start bashing Turks, a few distinctions need to be made.

My fiancé is Turkish, although muslim by birth she is agnostic, describing herself as a Kemalist. Her brother has taken to Eastern Christian Orthodoxy, while her father remains a marginal muslim but devout Kemalist. Many educated Turks follow the same line, and are keen to distance themselves from these sort of happenings by highlighting that these sort of barbaric attitudes are prevalent mostly among the lower class, uneducated peasantry.

As her father pointed out to me, "In the cities it's Kemal. In the fields, its Islam."
Another thing is of course their loathing for Tayyip Erdogan. They see him as the anti-Kemalist, trying to undo much of what Kemal has done for Turkey.

Finally, the fact that Anatolian press report this as an 'honour killing', is already light years ahead of how our own 'western' press would report this, leaving you guessing as to the motives of such a crime.

Just to clarify my position re: EU membership for Turkey, I am against such a move.

In fact I am against the whole notion of the EU in principle. Hopefully, a few more weak economies like Greece will topple over and the whole thing will come down in heap.

If that happens I will run through the streets naked, dancing and prancing!

Just to remind ourselves how different 'the West' is from Islam.

A story I have told before. Back in the 1970s I lived out in the backblocks, on a cattle station where my dad worked. On a neighbouring cattle station there was a typical Irish-Australian Catholic family, kin to the manager's wife on the station where my dad worked. The family included a young teenage girl about my age (15 or so). An unscrupulous little cad of a jackaroo got this girl pregnant. Was she disowned? Was she sent off somewhere to have the baby? Was she made to give it up for adoption? Was she 'honor' murdered and/ or her baby, like happens in dar al Islam? Nothing of the sort! We in dar al harb do things differently.

A delegation comprising my dad, the girl's father, the girl's uncle, and a number of other gentlemen, paid a visit to the little cad who had supplied the paternal DNA. (He was, by universal consent, deemed unfit to *marry* the girl; from what I recall of him, he was a real little creepl). I don't know what he was told...possibly the equipment used to castrate young bulls was alluded to...but he was last heard of in a cloud of dust, heading for the other side of Australia.

The girl had her baby (at the same time as her *parents* welcomed their latest child), and it was raised in the bosom of the family. A grandchild is a grandchild is a grandchild.

And another example. My dad's youngest sister has a daughter. That daughter, my cousin, is gay. She has a permanent partner. Two years ago my cousin had a baby. The family discreetly did not inquire as to how the paternal DNA was obtained for the making of this baby. And so far as my aunt is concerned, this was *the first grandchild*, her daughter's baby; and baby is being showered with grandmotherly love and attention.

A third story - from China, of all places. In Brother Yun's autobiography 'The Heavenly Man', which gives a great deal of insight into the unregistered, free 'house churches' of China, the underground church, toward the end Brother Yun describes how he assisted a young Christian woman who had been kidnapped and raped - and impregnated - by bandits. Rather than have an abortion, she chose to have the baby, which turned out to be a girl; and Brother Yun found, for that child, new parents - a childless couple within the church who would adopt it for their own, *thus choosing a GIRL as their one officially-permitted child*....A revealing instance of how Christianity differs from Islam, in that the young woman was NOT blamed at all, for the crime committed against her by wicked men, whilst a loving home was found for the baby, the child not being responsible for the circumstances surrounding her arrival in the world.

The Swedish Turnip whether you see it as make believe or not you have to know that while Christians have done horrific things in the past, none of it is encouraged or condoned by Jesus, the Gospel or any writting in the New Testament.

Islam, the Quran, and Mohammad all condone and even encourage horrific things- violence in the name of Islam.

Copy from the "Weasel"...

…suffocated…buried…covered the hole with cement…
What a progress ! This time the girl was dead ! … and her ‘clit’ wasn’t chopped off !…

HALELUALLAHLALALA !!

SPIT ! SPIT ! SPIT !

It was not the Church that gave us science

.............but you give no reason. It was the Church and her clergy that gave us science as we know it today You appear not to have heard of Robert Grosseteste, Bishop of Oxford and a Franciscan friar by the name of Roger Bacon, widely credited with founding the empirical method in Europe.
True, it was Aristole who first proposed empiricism, but which institution preserved these teachings throughout the ages? The nobillity? The Mercantile class? No.

The Church.

Those who critisize the Church always seem to never give her any credit, I suspect deliberately, and that's annoying.

And btw, I am not a fundamentalist. As a Christian, I am expected to defend my point of view, as in any argument.

So far everything said here has just deepened my discomfort with religion.

At what point was our opposing view threatening to you?

You are welcome to your views. I don't want to impose any of mine on you, but I'm asking that you don't impose any of yours on me or any other who desires freedom to worship. (Islam is an exception. Tolerance of it is dangerous.)

From what I see, you appear to have personal problem with religion. Involving emotion in an argument is one I will steer clear of.

Excuse me, I never claimed to be a possessor of the absolute universal truth, that's why faith is called faith, as opposed to conviction.

Your last reply reveals that you cannot yourself make that distinction, which only goes to show that you're locked up in the notion of them and us, good and bad, God and the Devil.

If by that you mean am I a moral absolutist? Yes, I am.

I just feel discomforted by all the medieval hocus-pocus still governing people in this so called enlightened age.

At least you haven't had the gall to call yourself tolerant.
I should have expected no less from some stating a sweeping remark like " All religions just strive to dummy down and opress.

Like Islam, I have no tolerance for intolerance, my fiancé, growing up around Islam has even less.

So we have more moral relativism from the Swedish Turnip, who clearly is a turnip, for only someone with the mind of a turnip could believe that other religions like Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism etc are as intolerant, misogynistic and wicked as Islam. It is Muslims who are making places like Malmo an increasingly unpleasant place to live in, and not Christians. Swedes haven't had to fight a battle for survival for over 200 years, and it shows, but the next battle for survival is around the corner, and it is a lot less than 200 years away - more like 20. In your mind, there is no distinguishing between good and evil or right and wrong because to you they don't exist. Islamic armies threatened to overrun the West for 1,000 years right up to 1683, and had they succeeded, then Western Europe would be an islamic hellhole today, and because of politically correct sandal-wearing woolly-headed moral relativist oafs like yourself who hum Imagine all day, that might yet be the fate of Western Europe 100 years from now, a foreboding scenario for the grandchildren, and some of todays children will still be around 100 years from now to see that nightmare scenario become reality in their twilight years.

It’s hard to argue against this practice when we've done it in the US 50 million times since 1973. We just call it "abortion" rather than "honor killing". At least they have the balls to use the word "killing" while we hide behind "choice".

As regards abortion - who knows how many 'backstreet' abortions are procured, or attempted, by desperate Muslimahs, often victims of rape, quite often of incestuous rape, both within dar al Islam and inside the Muslim colonies in dar al Harb, who know that if their pregnancy becomes known, they will very likely be *honor-murdered* themselves, by their families?

Ayaan Hirsi Ali's 'The Caged Virgin' includes the observation that abortion clinics in the Netherlands (as also the domestic violence shelters) were crammed with *Muslim* females. She discovered this first-hand in the course of her work as an interpreter. Indeed, that *Muslim* females appeared to far outnumber the native Dutch non-Muslim females, as clients of those establishments. Needless to say, these women were keeping their abortions secret from their potentially-murderous nearest-and-dearest...

de sousa's islamic family values at work.

The baby was suffocated by her grandmother after the family learned the 25-year-old mother became pregnant out of wedlock, Anatolian said.

How could a grandmother suffocate her own flesh and blood, a baby she would have presumably loved had she not been born out of wedlock. I certainly hope the family honor has been sufficiently restored; murder obviously carries no stigma in islamic society. How utterly sick, depraved, and evil these people are! What about the daughter? It is amazing that they didn't kill her and keep the infant but I guess there are slight variations in this horrific practice, depending on the specific islamic hellhole and its respective culture.

One would think the human rights zealots would address the problem of islamic honor killings. They do, after all, grossly violate the human rights of muslim women and infants. But they seem to think their time and energy are better spent accusing American soldiers of war crimes and searching for job discrimination against muslims in the West.

I couldn't suffocate a baby animal, much less an innocent, helpless infant. Only an evil monster could do such a thing but why not; allah said it was ok for muslims to kill their offspring and the children of their offspring. The human rights people should be working day and night to have islam banned for sanctioning the murder of innocent people. That would be humanitarian work.

The EU is an organization of westernized, civilized nations. Through its tacit support of such barbaric acts as Islamic honor killings, Turkey does not meet the standards by which most reasonable people would judge a nation to be civilized.
Perhaps in another 600 years...

"Yet these honour killings are not endemic to Turkey itself. They also occur in the EU, thanks to a particular demographic."

Yeah, like among Turkish immigrants to Germany, carrying their Islamic virus into new countries.