Israel: Muslim member of Knesset calls for caliphate

He even argues that “‘it is in the Jews’ interest, since their golden era was under this caliphate.” Right. Never mind the thousands of years of Jewish history before that. Never mind the technological advancement and prosperity achieved by the modern state of Israel. And besides, Maimonides would beg to differ, as he described:

“… the nation of Ishmael, who persecute us severely, and who devise ways to harm us and to debase us….No nation has ever done more harm to Israel. None has matched it in debasing and humiliating us. None has been able to reduce us as they have….We have borne their imposed degradation, their lies, and absurdities, which are beyond human power to bear.”

“MK Ganaim calls for Islamic caliphate in Israel,” by Roee Nahmias for YNet News, May 10:

Knesset Member Masud Ganaim (United Arab List-Ta’al) believes “an Islamic caliphate should be established and it should include Israel.” In an interview to Nazareth-based paper Kul al-Arab, Ganaim presented his opinion of the situation at the end of his first year in Knesset.

“I believe there is an urgent need to return to the Islamic caliphate. I believe this is the most fitting solution to the state of weakness, deterioration and erosion the Arabs and Muslims are suffering from,” Ganaim said when asked if, as a devout Muslim, he believes an Islamic regime should be established in “Palestine or the Arab and Islamic homeland.”

He said, “We are not necessarily talking about Israel here, but I believe an Islamic caliphate would be in the interest of the Jews themselves, since their golden era was under this caliphate.”

In the interview, which was published over the weekend, the Knesset member said, “We believe the Nakba stemmed from the weakening and the collapse of the Islamic body, and we must therefore strengthen the Islamic body.”

Of the fate of the State of Israel in such a situation, Ganaim said it would be included in the greater Islamic state. “We are not against the Jews, but against the Zionist movement and its racist ideology. We have no objection to the Jews managing their own matters themselves.”

When asked about a possible conflict with Iran, Ganaim clarified that he backs the Iran-Hezbollah-Syria axis. “I am against any aggression and any alliance that does not serve the Arab interest. I support the righteous party. The Iran-Hezbollah-Syria axis represents the line of resistance and intractability, and naturally, I support this axis.”

He added, “Hezbollah is the security valve of the residents of Lebanon. Hassan Nasrallah has properly combined the political and religious plan.”

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  1. says

    Typical of the vile traitorus arabs who live in isreal. They get all the benefits of living ina a modern secular democracy while they dream of a muslim caliphate. The goal of this guy and people like him are the exect same goals of osama bin laden and just about every othe rmuslim in the world. I bet it the isreali lib and orthodox elites who keep these scumbags in their government.

  2. says

    The last Caliphate and caliph was abolished by Mustafa Kemal Ataturk in 1924 Turkey. There where Islamic Countries such as Indonesia who rejected any role of the Caliphate in their country even though it is the largest body Muslims on the planet.

    The caliphate represented the umma in its political base only. Of course experts recognize that Islam is in fact nearly 85 Pct political in its structure under sharia. The only thing that comes close to fitting what was the Caliphate nearly a century ago is the OIC made up of 56 Islamic Countries. The OIC likes to say 57 countries because they chose to reflect Palestinian terrortories as a country symbolically.

    It is very doubtful that Islamic countries would ever allow themselves to fall under a ruling caliph in todays environment

  3. says

    Knesset Member Masud Ganaim (United Arab List-Ta’al) believes “an Islamic caliphate should be established and it should include Israel.”
    …………………….

    Don’t *members of the Knesset* have to show some at least elementary loyalty to the State of Israel? It seems not.

    And Ganaim’s claim that “‘it is in the Jews’ interest, since their golden era was under this caliphate” shows that he understands *nothing* about the achievement of modern Israel.

    More:

    “We are not against the Jews…We have no objection to the Jews managing their own matters themselves.”
    …………………….

    Ganaim means Jews *as dhimmis*. Their small amount of autonomy would only include how they manage to adhere to the hideously oppressive “Pact of Umar”.

    More:

    When asked about a possible conflict with Iran, Ganaim clarified that he backs the Iran-Hezbollah-Syria axis. “I am against any aggression and any alliance that does not serve the Arab interest. I support the righteous party. The Iran-Hezbollah-Syria axis represents the line of resistance and intractability, and naturally, I support this axis.”

    He added, “Hezbollah is the security valve of the residents of Lebanon. Hassan Nasrallah has properly combined the political and religious plan.”
    …………………….

    Hassan Nasrallah is responsible for the deaths of numerous Israeli civilians. He has declared the “Zionist entity [Israel] can be wiped out of existence.”

    Ganaim is a traitor who openly supports Israel’s enemies. He should be stripped not only of his position in the Knesset, but his Israeli citizenship as well.

  4. says

    Ganaim said it would be included in the greater Islamic state. “We are not against the Jews, but against the Zionist movement and its racist ideology. We have no objection to the Jews managing their own matters themselves.”

    This means: No Infidel nation-state of Israel. Jews, however, may be permitted to live, as long as they accept their permanent status as dhimmis. That status, of humiliation, degradation, and physical insecurity (see not only Maimonides, but Georges Vajda, and S. D. Goitein who at the end of his scholarly life wrote, in his introduction to “A Mediterranean Society,” that about nothing had he had to change his opinion so much as about what the Jews endured under Muslim rule, for his study of the papers in the Cairo Geniza showed him just how onerous was the Jizyah, not to mention all the other disabilities placed on Jews as on Christians, by their Muslim masters.

    That is what Masud Ganiam has in mind. A return to the wonderful days of yore, when Jews (and presumably Christians) were denied not merely the ability to possess their own polities, but the ability to live with dignity, recognized in a system that would grant them legal equality with Muslims. Nowhere in the Muslim Middle East do non-Muslims possess true legal equality with Muslims, and I doubt that they ever will. Islam forbids it.

    We can constrain Islam, we can work to make non-Arab Muslims recognize Islam as a vehicle for Arab supremacism, we can possibly convince the most advanced Arabs that it is Islam that explains the failures — economic, political, social, intellectual, moral – of their own societies. And we can severely limit the numbers of Muslims who are allowed to remain within our own societies where, to the extent that they take seriously the Qur’an, Hadith, and Sira, they will always remain a danger to non-Muslims. Participation in Jihad, the struggle to remove all obstacles to the spread, and then the dominance, of Islam, is a central duty imposed on Muslims. They must participate directly, or indirectly, using whatever instruments prove most effective. And they should not be expected, if they take their Islam straight up and not on the diluting rocks of endangering their own position in the West, do no other, and we should not expect it of them. But we, in turn, the intended victims of this, should as a consequence act intelligently in our own self-defense, and not increase the problem by refusing to recognize it.

  5. says

    “Ganaim clarified that he backs the Iran-Hezbollah-Syria axis. “I am against any aggression and any alliance that does not serve the Arab interest. I support the righteous party.”

    And yet, he sits on the knesset? As a part of the Israeli government??????

    Am I missing something? Did my eyeballs just do three lap’s around my head? Am I wearing my underware on the out side of my pants?

    WTF!?!

  6. says

    Golden era? I don’t know, I kinda thought the 190+ Nobel Science prizes represent a pretty good era. Where are all those Muslim Nobel prizes?

  7. says

    “I believe there is an urgent need to return to the Islamic caliphate. I believe this is the most fitting solution to the state of weakness, deterioration and erosion the Arabs and Muslims are suffering from,” Ganaim said…

    Interesting take by Ganain on the need for an Islamic caliphate, because of Arab and Ummah’s “state of weakness, deterioration and erosion”, which pretty much describes Islamic ‘civilization’ from the very beginning of their desert warlord’s war against Jews and Christians 1350 years ago, all in the name of his pagan moon-god Al-Ylah (renamed Allah) justifying, booty, rape and enslavement for Jihad. An Islamic caliphate, with or without Israel, would only bring back those mythic ‘glory days’ of destruction and genocide in the deadly footsteps of their warlord and his vile deity for world conquest. But it would do absolutely nothing to relieve Arab and Muslim “state of weakness, deterioration, and erosion”, which would continue same as before.

    The desolation of Islamic deterioration is hard wired into the ideology, where taking from others by any means, whether violence, theft, deceit, or corrupt taxation, is their only economic stock in trade. They are losers, and an Islamic caliphate would only institutionalize their retrograde ideology not only for the Ummah but all of mankind, a giant step backwards. Bad idea.

  8. says

    A huge Caliphate where all the worlds Mahoundians could go would be fine with me…I hear Antarctica has a lot of vacant land space…

  9. says

    And we in India thought Israel was the only nation with spine.
    Why don’t the Israelis throw this guy off the Knesset?
    The fact that he made these statements is reason enough to throw him out.

  10. says

    It’s good that he said this. And the sooner Israelis, and those outside Israel who are still confused and still prate of a “solution” (one-state, two-state, n-state), come to recognize the nature of the war that has been, is being, and will always be waged against Israel — a Jihad, designed to end the existence of that intolerable affront to Islam, an Infidel nation-state smack in the middle of Dar al-Islam — the better.

  11. says

    I learned the first time that there is a Muslim Arab member of Israeli Knesset ! And this guy acts true to form for a Muslim – no loyalty to the infidel nation state that gave him the dignity of being a people’s representative in the first place. All loyalty to Allah and his prophet and if Allah and / or his prophet says: betray your country, he would do it without hesitation.

    Just shows how much morality exists in Islam.

    We have many Muslim and dhimmi MPs in India but none of them will dare to call for an Islamic Caliphate of which India is a part.

    God ! When will Israelis and Indians ally and pool our resources to fight the menace that is closest to us !

  12. says

    The comments of Masud Ganaim remind me of George Orwell’s remark, in the 1930’s, upon learning that Aldous Huxley was preaching a message of peace from his home in Los Angeles. “If is easy to preach pacifism when you are protected by the guns of the Americans.”

    It is easy for any Muslim or Muslimah to say anything they want in a Western society. It is haram to do so among the ummah. It is not simply that Muslims are irony impaired; it is due to both the resistance of Islam to the logic and reason of the ancient Greeks and the sad fact that once an individual takes a position based on faith, they cannot reconsider it based on newly revealed evidence.

    Thus, the continued blathering by Muslims in our midst. They are content to use our freedoms and rights to advance a polity that would abolish all freedom and tolerance. It is time for us to abandon this liberal notion that all cultures are equal. I, personally feel that it is an insult to human civilization to include the cult of Mohammed in any and all discussions of different human cultures.

    Mankind’s childhood is at an end, we should not cling to any of “our childish ways”.

  13. says

    Israeli democracy, or Israeli clownocracy?
    The fact that Israel allows anti-Zionists to participate in its electoral system is a very grave mistake. Zionists need to assert their right to freedom of assembly, especially since they exist as a small minority in a hostile sea.
    Anti-Zionist haredim now have almost total control over religion in the public sphere, while Arab and Jewish anti-Zionists are using the democratic mechanism to destroy the state.
    The concept of maintaining a Jewish majority by truncating boundaries reflects a failure to adequately define internal limits.
    Fjordman has an interesting discussion on how the ancient Greeks used to limit democracy to appropriate stake-holders, rather than just include everyone within the borders.

  14. says

    They already have a caliphate, the whole middle east, except for one tiny spec of land, but that won’t do will it?

  15. says

    guys i need your help i need to have a good nickname before i can make any comment as if my comments will probably be more important than a chicken’s courageness ohh forgive me for my figure of speech my unproductive mind can not find any word better!!

    any suggestions ladies and gentlemen and how do i technically apply it !

    thnaks in advance

    and yes i forgot to comment. well the returning of caliphate here i think would mean the return of Mehdi and i am not expert but i think Mr Robert Spencer can elaborate more on this issue espacially that it is considered to be the forthcoming Imam for the shiites ( who disappeared long time ago but he will come again probably by resurrection!)and again if i am not mistaken he is highly revered among many muslims and i am not quite sure if that is the one Masud is talking about and by the way is he shiite ?

  16. says

    For what it’s worth (I don’t know how much), Joel Richardson finds many weird correspondences between Christian and Islamic doctrine. He thinks the Bible might have predicted the reemergence of the caliphate in Turkey. Here are some of the correspondences he points to:

    Bible: The Antichrist is an unparalleled political, military and religious leader that will that emerge in the last-days.

    · Islam: The Mahdi is an unparalleled political, military and religious leader that will emerge in the last-days.

    · Bible: the False Prophet is a secondary prominent figure that will emerge in the last-days who will support the Antichrist.

    · Islam: the Muslim Jesus is a secondary prominent figure that will emerge in the last-days to support the Mahdi.

    · Bible: The Antichrist and the False Prophet together will have a powerful army that will do great damage to the earth in an effort to subdue every nation and dominate the World.

    · Islam: The Mahdi and the Muslim Jesus will have a powerful army that will attempt to control every nation of the earth and dominate the World.

    · Bible: The False Prophet is described essentially as a dragon in lamb’s clothing.

    · Islam: The Muslim Jesus literally comes bearing the name of the one that the world knows as “The Lamb of God: Jesus Christ.” Yet the Muslim Jesus comes to murder all those who do not submit to Islam.

    · Bible: The Antichrist and the False Prophet establish a New World Order.

    · Islam: The Mahdi and the Muslim Jesus establish a New World Order.

    · Bible: The Antichrist and the False Prophet institute new laws for the whole earth.

    · Islam: The Mahdi and the Muslim Jesus institute Islamic law all over the earth.

    · Bible: The Antichrist is said to “change the times.”

    · Islam: It is quite certain that if the Mahdi established Islam all over the earth, he would discontinue the use of Saturday and Sunday as the weekend or days of rest but rather Friday, the holy day of Islam. Also, he would most certainly eliminate the Gregorian calendar (A.D.), and replace it with the Islamic calendar (A. H.) as is used in every Islamic country.

    · Bible: The Antichrist and the False Prophet will both be powerful religious leaders who will attempt to institute a universal world religion.

    · Islam: The Mahdi and the Muslim Jesus will institute Islam as the only religion in the earth.

    · Bible: The Antichrist and the False Prophet will execute anyone who does not submit to their world religion.

    · Islam: Likewise, the Mahdi and the Muslim Jesus will execute anyone who does not submit to Islam.

    · Bible: The Antichrist and the False Prophet will specifically use beheading as the primary means of execution for non-conformists.

    · Islam: The Mahdi and the Muslim Jesus will use the Islamic practice of beheading for executions.

    · Bible: The Antichrist and the False Prophet will have a specific agenda to kill as many Jews as possible.

    · Islam: The Mahdi and the Muslim Jesus will kill as many Jews as is possible until only a few are left hiding behind rocks and trees.

    · Bible: The Antichrist and the False Prophet will attack to conquer and seize Jerusalem.

    · Islam: The Mahdi and the Muslim Jesus will attack to re-conquer and seize Jerusalem for Islam.

    · Bible: The Antichrist will set himself up in the Jewish temple as his seat of authority.

    · Islam: The Mahdi will establish the Islamic Caliphate from Jerusalem.

    · Bible: The False Prophet is said to do many miracles to deceive as many as possible into supporting the Antichrist.

    · Islam: The Mahdi himself is said to control the weather and the crops. His face is said to glow. We can also assume that since Jesus is viewed as having been empowered by Allah to work miracles when he was here on earth the first time, he will most likely be expected to continue to do so when he returns.

    · Bible: The Antichrist is described as riding on a white horse in the Book of Revelation

    · Islam: The Mahdi is described as riding on a white horse (ironically from the same verse).

    · Bible: The Antichrist is said to make a peace treaty with Israel for seven years.

    · Islam: The Mahdi is said to make a peace treaty through a Jew (specifically a Levite) for exactly seven years.

    · Bible: Jesus the Jewish Messiah will return to defend the Jews in Israel from a military attack from a vast coalition of nations led by the Antichrist and the False Prophet.

    · Islam: The Dajjal, the Islamic Antichrist will gain a great Jewish following and claim to be Jesus Christ and fight against the Mahdi and the Muslim Jesus.

    · Bible: The antichrist spirit specifically denies the most unique and central doctrines of Christianity, namely the trinity, the incarnation and the substitutionary death of Jesus on the cross.

    · Islam: Islam doctrinally and spiritually specifically denies the most unique and central doctrines of Christianity, namely the trinity, the incarnation and the substitutionary death of Jesus on the cross.

    · Bible: The primary warning of Jesus and the Apostle Paul was to warn Christians of the abundance of deceit and deception in the last-days.

    · Islam: Islam is perhaps the only religion in the earth that practices deceit as one of its tools to assist its own ascendancy. It actually has a specific doctrine which allows and even calls for deception to be used to achieve its desired end.

    · Bible: The specific nations pictured in the Bible as being part of the final empire of the Antichrist are all Islamic nations.

    · Islam: All Muslims are commanded to give their allegiance to The Mahdi as the final Caliph and Imam (leader) of Islam.

    · Bible: From the Bible and History we learn that the final Antichrist empire will be a revived version of the Empire that succeeds the Roman Empire

    · Islam: The Empire that succeeded the Roman/Byzantine Empire was the Islamic Ottoman Empire

    · Bible: When Antichrist emerges, there will already be some form of system in place that will be poised to receive him as a Savior and to give allegiance to him.

    · Islam is already the second largest religion and will at present growth rates become the largest religion within a few decades. Islam is awaiting the coming of the Mahdi with a universal anticipation.

  17. says

    The CIA WORLD FACTBOOK say that Islam is the largest religion in the world.All the Christian sect unithy with each other they are dicide each indepence of each other. The Islamist sect have alot in common and they agree with each other than they donot act indepence of each other. The largest Christian sect is Roman Cathority Church with about 17% of the world population compare to Islam 21% of the world population.

  18. says

    So it’s not racist is it’s Islamic but if it’s anyone else it’s racist! This MK should be deported. Antarctica preferably.

  19. says

    Ganaim said “We are not against the Jews, but against the Zionist movement and its racist ideology.”

    Ganaim said “I am against any aggression and any alliance that does not serve the Arab interest.”

    Ummmm.. anyone else noticed these contradictory views he seems to hold?

    DefenderofIslam, you statisic of 21% includes all Mohammedan sects, to have a true comparative you would have to included Lutherans, Baptist, Evangelicals, Amish, and hoards of other denominations to the 17% of the Catholics. They may have different views from each other, but they don’t share the Mohammedan views. And they are closer to each other then the Sunni and Shia split in Mohammedanism.

  20. says

    About 10% of Israeli Knesset members are “Arab””I’m not sure of the exact number of those that are Muslim, but I would imagine they make up the majority.

    Here’s an interesting site: “IN THEIR OWN WORDS: THE ARAB MEMBERS OF ISRAEL’S KNESSET (PARLIAMENT) SPEAK”:

    http://www.rosenblit.com/Arab_MK.htm

    The oldest incidents are listed first on this site”go to the end of the article to find the most recent cases. Here are a few examples:

    Date 6 January 2010

    Arab MK: Settlers are a malignant tumor

    Arab MK Taleb a-Saana does not believe that Jewish residents of Judea or Samaria are entitled to any civil rights

    Calling the settlers “unjustifiable vermin,” Sanaa stated that Jewish West Bank residents kept themselves occupied by “chasing and abusing” others. “According to international law, they cannot be there (in the West Bank). They are a malignant tumor,” he concluded.

    Date: 31 March 2009

    All Israeli Arab MKs boycott Knesset ceremony in order to attend demonstrations promoting a global boycott of Israel

    Date: 31 March 2009

    Israeli Arab MK Haneen Zuabi rejects Israel as a Jewish State; and she insists that Iran must be permitted to develop a nuclear weapon as a deterrent against Israel, as it is an “aggressor state”

    Arab MK faces trial for meeting Mashaal

    Date: 14 December 2008

    Israeli Druze Arab MK Said Nafa illegally visits Syria to meet Hamas leader

    Attorney-General Menahem Mazuz may initiate legal proceedings against MK Said Nafa (Balad) on counts of contacting an enemy agent and visiting an enemy country without permission, according to a notification sent to Nafa Sunday.

    Nafa traveled to Syria in 2007, where he met with Hamas politburo Khaled Mashaal, as well as the second in command in the PFLP terror organizations. Also, according to suspicions, Nafa also tried to obtain Syrian visas for some 300 Israeli citizens.

    Date: 14 September 2000

    Arab MKs Abdel Malek Dahamshe and Muhammad Barakeh threaten violence against Israeli police

    Arab MK Abdel Malek Dahamshe will not retract his promise to “break the arms and legs of any policeman that destroys an Arab house.”

    Date: 12 September 2000

    ARAB MK ABD EL-MALEK DAHAMSHEH STATES THAT THERE CANNOT BE PEACE WITH ISRAEL, BUT ONLY A CEASE-FIRE

    Definition of the Oslo Accords as transient, or as a phase in the PLO’s “program of stages” for the destruction of Israel, are recurrent themes in the statements of Palestinian leaders. Israeli Arab MK Abd El-Malek Dahamsheh, interviewed this week on PATV [Palestinian Authority Television], fielded a call from a viewer who determined that “our problem with Israel is not a border problem, but an existence problem.” He answered: “We exaggerate when we use the term ‘peace’… we are talking about Hudna.” ‘Hudna’ is a traditional Islamic term which means strategic cease-fire, as opposed to ‘peace’.

    Date: 24 August, 2000

    Interview: [Arab] MK Hashem Mahameed — Israeli Arabs not endangered by Arab armies; Jewish Right of Return should be cancelled

    IMRA interviewed United Arab List MK Hashem Mahameed:

    Mr. Mahameed is a member of the critical Knesset Foreign Affairs And Defense Committee

    IMRA: Can you comment on the following observation by an unnamed Israeli Arab reporter quoted in Yediot Ahronot’s website on 19 August: “We do not have a common security interest. You go to the army because you live in danger from us. There is no danger for us and we have no reason to serve in the army.”

    …Mahameed: Let me give you an example. During the Gulf War, most of the Arabs in Israel did not feel that they were in danger. They did not feel that the missiles of Saddam Hussein endangered them because they flew over their heads and did not land by them. And people did not go into the sealed rooms. They went outside to watch the missiles flying in the sky. So if you put it this way then the intention is that if war breaks out between Israel and the Arab states or between Israel and one of the neighboring countries then the Arabs in Israel do not feel threatened by the neighboring Arabs.

    Date: 16 August 2000

    Ha’aretz: Police bar all visitors from Temple Mt. after [Arab] MK Ahmed Tibi leads crowd chanting “With blood and fire, we will redeem Palestine.”
    ……………

    There’s much, much more”but this is enough to give you a sense that many Muslim members present a permanent fifth-column not just in Israel, but in the *Israeli government* itself.

  21. says

    Sanjay_111, my dream is a joint Israel/Indian strike on Iranian nuke and domestic security sites. Forget any strategic leadership from the USA for another 3 years. Instead Israel should work with the largest democracy in the world (and an up and coming super-power). Israel has the capability to strike fast and hard over a limited area, India the resources to strike over a wide area. I know there are many confounding factors, but a man can dream, can’t he?

  22. says

    “enough to give you a sense that many Muslim members present a permanent fifth-column not just in Israel, but in the *Israeli government* itself.”

    Many (most?) Israelis — and perhaps many (most?) Jews elsewhere — seem to suffer from a variant of the general PC MC virus that afflicts the rest of the West. Some of the signs & symptoms of this variant:

    1) talking about the problem of Muslims only in terms of “Arabs”;

    2) more or less agreeing with Ganaim that the Islamic “Golden Age” was peachy keen for Jews;

    3) believing that the catastrophe of Hitler and the Holocaust were largely “Christian” phenomena and along with this, harboring a deep-seated mistrust of non-Jewish Westerners in general as in essence, and potentially, capable of erupting in pogroms or worse against Jews at any moment if the “tide turns” and thus seeing non-Jewish Westerners being no better than Muslims, if not worse, for Jews — an irrational attitude which could serve to strengthen #2 and portend ill for future alliances.

    Just as there is a uniquely Islamic antisemitism, so may there be a uniquely Jewish PC MC.

  23. says

    Arabs and Islam have this much in common: The Arabs are the most disappointing, dysfunctional major people in history and Islam is the most disappointing, dysfunctional major religion in history. Quite a dual legacy. Oh well, I guess it was almost inevitable that mankind would get stuck with a major (N.B., not great) screwed-up people and a major (N.B. again, not great) screwed-up religion. Too bad these two losers became wedded at the hip because mankind is stuck with this deeply unfortunate pairing of history’s two greatest losers.

  24. says

    DefenderofIslam sez:

    “The Islamist sect have alot in common and they agree with each other than they donot act indepence of each other.”

    That certainly explains why they keep killing each other on a daily basis…no independence here…absolute agreement….Keep the blood flowing…

  25. says

    Khushi writes, “And we in India thought Israel was the only nation with spine.
    Why don’t the Israelis throw this guy off the Knesset?
    The fact that he made these statements is reason enough to throw him out.”

    I agree, but when it comes to the country’s internal enemies, Israel goes beyond political correctness; they completely wimp out. Azmi Bishara, for example, is an Arab former MK who fled the country when he was investigated for spying on behalf of Hizbullah. He was indicted and remains in exile, yet he continues to receive his *pension* as a former Member of Knesset!

    Ganaim calls for establishment of the Caliphate, and supports the Iran-Syria-Hizbullah axis, both clearly contrary to his oath of office. Yet no action is taken against him. (He also doesn’t consider rocket attacks on Israeli civilians to be terror.) Astonishing.

  26. says

    “We are not against the Jews, but against the Zionist movement and its racist ideology. …”

    Um … what race is Jewish ???

    Oh, I forgot, those German Nazis defined Jews as a race. But there isn’t anybody who thinks that way now is there?

    “… We have no objection to the Jews managing their own matters themselves.”

    Oh thank you massa! All us darkies is grateful.

    =========

    This snotty POS needs some serious attitude adjustment work.

  27. says

    The most fitting solution to the state of weakness, deterioration and erosion arabs and muslimes are suffering from is to STOP BEING MUSLIMS—-then they have a chance to GET A LIFE.

  28. says

    Out with him.

    Out with him.

    Out with him.

    Out of the Knesset and then, with all his kith and kaboodle and with every other treacherous, lying, scheming Arab Muslim who appears on that list provided by Gravenimage, above, out of Israel, too.

  29. says

    Eastview, you said

    …the parallel concepts in the Bible and the Qur’an would surely be breathlessly portrayed in terms of how wonderful it is that God saw fit to bestow his wisdom on two of Abraham’s progeny, a miracle, in fact, as opposed to the simple facts of having a common source, as Robert would undoubtedly have described them.

    Bestow wisdom on two of Abraham’s progeny? It would be impossible to portray Richardson’s book that way, even for the History Channel. Richardson’s book doesn’t in any way show God bestowing parallel concepts or wisdom on both Islam and Christianity. The book’s list of correspondences I posted above in no way shows parallel concepts or wisdom in Islam and Christianity. Why would Robert endorse a book like that? The book Robert endorsed is utterly different from what you seem to assume.

    What Richardson’s book claims is that there are numerous uncanny inversions. Islam’s doctrine about the end of time in many detailed ways exactly inverts the Christian doctrine about the end of time. Richardson makes a case that the inversions are so uncannily precise and so numerous that it’s not plausible Muhammad could have managed it by his own design or intent, because he simply didn’t have that kind of intimate knowledge of the Book of Revelations, and it would be strange indeed, if he did have such intimate knowledge, if he were to seek to invert the Book of Revelations in such detail and at so many points. To see the case Richardson is making, and refute it, you’d have to read the list of correspondences, and then you’d have to see how he argues for them in the book.

    As a small example, Christianity describes three main figures at the end of time: 1) The anti-Christ, 2) the False prophet, and 3) Jesus Christ. Islam describes three main figures at the end of time. 1) The Mahdi (or Muslim savior), 2) the Muslim Jesus, and 3) the Dajjal, or devil of the Muslims. Now, the odd thing is that the way Christians describe the anti-Christ and what he will do at the end of time, and how long he will do it for, is how Muslims describe the Muslim savior, or Mahdi, and what he will do at the end of time, and how long he will do it for. The Muslim savior will do exactly what the Christian anti-Christ is supposed to do. And the way Christians describe what the False Prophet will do, is the way Muslims describe what the Muslim Jesus will do. And the way Christians describe what Jesus Christ, the real Jesus Christ, will do at the end of time, is the way Muslims describe what the Dajjal, or Muslim devil will do at the end of time. In other words, for Christians precisely the figures considered good at the end of time are considered evil by Muslims.

    Is that stuff all nonsense no better than tea-leaf reading? Perhaps, but the case Richardson makes seems uncanny, at least if one is not completely closed to the existence of non-physical realities. If one is a philosophical materialist, then of course one will reject these things out of hand. And of course someone with more knowledge than I have of the Christian and Islamic texts might reject Richardson’s thesis while not being a materialist.

    In any event, here’s a blurb of what Robert said about the book:

    “A fascinating and provocative work. Joel has definitely expanded the frontiers in the ongoing exploration of the relationship between Islam and the rest of the world. A must read for priests and pastors, students and lay readers everywhere. Bravo!”

    That doesn’t sound like Spencer considers the guy’s analysis on a level with sensationalist BS and superstition. That sounds, rather, like Robert was impressed by the analysis, open to it, interested in it, without necessarily coming down for it or against it. But I’m curious if the blurb is from a longer review, and if so, what the rest says…

  30. says

    Sanjay-111 – just read your second post. Nice one.

    Incidentally, the fact that Israel would attract criticism for sacking the jihadist mentioned here does not in my mind mean that he should not be sacked – I merely point out that were this to happen, worldwise hysteria would bloom apace.

    No advocate of the Islamic caliphate sjould be on the Knesset. There should a be a political review in Israel- anyone who is not a supporter of the integrity of the State as it is, or who wants a caliphate should be deported.
    These are the times we live in.

  31. says

    Caliphate is every Muslim’s dream throughout the world – wheyner Israel, India or here in USA!!! They cannot handle democracy and freedom – they want to be somebody’s slaves, every aspect of their life being strictly controlled by Mo/allah’s agents. Treat them like slaves and they will be happy as a bug in (scum)bag!!!

  32. says

    when you are quoting from the bible do you mean the book of the revelation? because i don’t think the word Mahdi does exist in the bible including the four gospels.

    bear in mind that in the Quran mahdi is not mentioned and i believe it is a shiite doctrine supported by the hadiths of the prophet rather than the Quran itself espacially that the most supernatural or that which is transcendental or even as future scenario mentioned in quran and the bible is the judgement day itself

    of course i could be wrong and what i said is just for the sake of argument .

  33. says

    Traeh, considering that the Qur’an was written from Mohammad’s faulty understand of Christianity based on what he picked up from his first wife Khadijah, perhaps it shouldn’t be surprising that Joel Richardson was able to identify parallels in material found in the Bible and the Qur’an.

    Has this been made into a History Channel special yet? It would fit nicely among the History Channel shows about crop circles, UFO visitations, ghost hauntings, alien abductions and animal mutilations, near death experiences, Nostradamus’ predictions, Old Testament prophecies and Mayan predictions about the end of the world, etc.

  34. says

    I have read that many years ago the Israeli government approached the Indian government, offering to attack Pakistan’s nuclear facilities if it received some logistical support from India. The Indian government was said to have turned it down. I do not know if the story is true. Perhaps others who know more can fill out the story. If true, it was an opportunity missed, but no greater an opportunity missed than would be the catastrophic case if the Americans do not help the Israelis, who are ready and willing, but apparently not yet entirely able without American cooperation and certain weapons, such as bunker-busters.

    Ideally, of course, it is the American military that should prevent the Islamic Republic of iran from obtaining nuclear weapons. The example of Pakistan, allowed through Western carelessness, even criminal negligence, to acquire such weapons, should have been enough. The only reason the Americans have to squander so many resources on Pakistan is because of those weapons; otherwise they could let Pakistan cheerfully sink. Shall the West be forced to protect the Islamic regime in Tehran, lest its bombs “fall into the wrong hands” — when they are already in the wrong hands?

    The Pentagon should be lobbying Obama night and day for the go-ahead in Iran. That it is not speaks the usual eight, or perhaps even nine, volumes.

  35. says

    Perhaps one of the confounding problem is that India supplies Iran with refined petro products since Iran doesn’t have refining capabilities of their own. So India gets much needed cash and Iran gets petrol. any talks of bombing Iran’s nukes will surely fall on deaf ears in India. Perhaps you would have more luck with the Arab countries around Iran. but certainly not a joint action with Israel and it looks like the Abonomation is not likely to do anything. Israel can’t do it unless the US gives approval

  36. says

    bluezion,

    Trust me all patriotic Hindu Indians and even some exceptional patriotic Muslim Indians share your dream. But it does not come about because there are 13.4% Muslim voters in India and as I commented elsewhere, they vote in a far more organized manner and help elect politicians that not only won’t act sensibly on Islamic threat but will actually sabotage those who try to do.

    Ideally, the West, Israel, Australia and Japan should be in a global alliance. For all of these nations, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights should be our article of faith.

    While there would be no need for such an alliance to threaten anyone, it should be made clear by this alliance to Islamic nations as well as China that any attempt to push back the frontiers of modern day freedoms will be met with appropriately punitive action.

    This alliance may not go out of it’s way to spread freedom and democracy but any group or country anywhere in the world should find succour through this alliance and in extreme cases, the alliance should act too and depose dictatorships provided there is an alternative force that can replace the regime with one based on the Human Rights.

    Once this alliance assesses threats to freedoms and acts on them, taking out Iranian nuke capablities and Paki nukes will be a natural course of action for those nations in the alliance best suited to do the job.

    There are many reasons that this alliance won’t come about. But it is a dream and the least we all believers of freedoms can do is to come together and keep trying to add more and more people. If ever such a global group is created comprising of the right thinking people from these free countries and supporters of freedoms in other countries, count me in !

    Sanjay

  37. says

    Maybe so, Eastview, but the book by Richardson describing all those correspondences was well-reviewed by Robert Spencer.

  38. says

    Eastview, you said that Richardson’s correspondences

    would fit nicely among the History Channel shows about crop circles, UFO visitations, ghost hauntings, alien abductions and animal mutilations, near death experiences, Nostradamus’ predictions, Old Testament prophecies and Mayan predictions about the end of the world, etc.

    Maybe you’re right, though as I said, Robert Spencer gave Richardson’s book a very positive review. Apart from that, on your listing of delusional fantasies above, there is one item that doesn’t belong: near death experiences. Some doctors interpret them as being what they present themselves as being, other doctors argue otherwise. Somebody is wrong, and somebody is right. I gather some very elaborate studies are now being done by doctors to see if it’s possible to verify that the clinically dead person is really floating up by the ceiling looking down at the resuscitation efforts of the doctors. Such disembodied souls should be able to see specially placed images or symbols or objects positioned by experimenters so that only someone up by the ceiling could see them. If the person is revived, and successfully describes the object or image, and that can be replicated by other doctors reviving other patients, then the NDE is what it presents itself to be. But whatever the truth about NDE’s may be, brain pathology creating an illusion of existence independent of the physical body, or actual existence independent of the body, the NDE phenomenon is an actual phenomenon. It is not a hoax or a scam, like crop circles, or the like. Personally, I think the very numerous medical studies done of NDE’s constitute together a case where (if I can mix metaphors) Occam’s Razor hoists the materialist with his own petard.

  39. says

    Hugh,

    The story you mention has been repeated many times in Indian media. While I am in no position to certify it’s veracity, I can say with confidence that most of the Indian governments that have taken office since independence would have rejected the idea out of hand.

    Such rejection of an eminently sensible suggestion was utterly wrong and drastically reduced India’s security situation and the results are there for all to see. However, as I have always admitted here, India is semi – dhimmified and it is going to take a lot of effort to change it.

    Sanjay

  40. says

    Traeh, my snark was not meant for Robert for having reviewed Richardson’s work favorably, but rather an oblique swipe at the History Channel, which seems to have veered off into sensationalist treatments of pseudo-scientific subjects during recent years. I think it would veer too far off topic to enter into a debate over out-of-body experiences, so won’t comment further on the topic. But I still think that the subject matter lends itself rather well to History Channel treatment, particular because of the very reasons you cite.

    But the topic that launched this discussion was Richarson’s work. The suitability of this topic for the tastes of the History Channel producers seems obvious; the parallel concepts in the Bible and the Qur’an would surely be breathlessly portrayed in terms of how wonderful it is that God saw fit to bestow his wisdom on two of Abraham’s progeny, a miracle, in fact, as opposed to the simple facts of having a common source, as Robert would undoubtedly have described them.

  41. says

    “In other words, for Christians precisely the figures considered good at the end of time are considered evil by Muslims.”

    I wholly agree, Traeh …and I would like to add that Christians have it right, because Jesus Christ is not a liar, but Lord and Savior, and God in the flesh.

    muhammad, on the other hand — now he was a liar.

  42. says

    Traeh, thank your for correcting my hasty impressions. I did not read the book, as you correctly surmised, but rather assumed that the parallels were drawn to illustrate common elements drawn from the Qur’an and the Bible. Obviously, inverse parallels are not the same as positive parallels, as you correctly state. I didn’t mean to step on anyone’s toes except the History Channel’s, for whom I have developed a distinct dislike, and was fantasizing about how they might treat the subject using one of their patented breathless styles. In any case, your points are well taken and I stand corrected.

  43. says

    Sanjay-111 –

    I have long thought that the combined alliance of Indian non-Muslims, Jews, homosexuals, women etc and in fact anyone threatened by islam would be a productive alliance. Plus, a great excuse for some pretty impressive catering events! 😉

    However, if what Hugh says above is true, that is disgraceful. Israel has often shown initiative in apprioaching potential allies and offering to exchange this or that service for this or that alliance/mutual benefit.
    It is often snubbed or rejected.

    Why is the call here and (often on other sites) always for Israel to intitiate these measures, ignoring the fact that when Israel does it is ofoten vticised or rejected?

    There is NOTHING – NOTHING! – stopping India, or individual Indian groups against jihad forming friendship groups with Israelis/Jews in order not just to fight against jihad but prop each other up simply for moral support and friendly exchange.

    Israelis often visit India – how many Hindus visit Irael?

    I ask again, since I have seen this so often – why the push only on Israel to initiate? The rest of the world gets together to have parties, to set up foundations for causes, to set up protest movements – is it really so difficult to set up a an Indian Israeli alliance with the push coming from India???

    Especially when it is Israel who, when it does ANYTHING, bears the brunt of worldwide criticism for – well, everything??????

    I have read a few blogs written by Indians who say they admire the Israelis’ defending their country militarily and wish their own government would do the same. These Indians could easily set up a lobby group and exchange group with Israeli students/ young Israelis swapping three month internships with young Indians. Etc etc. Lots of ideas available.

    The above example of this Arab Knesset “member” – and I use the term to indicate a biological term of insult – is a good one. Though I agree he should be stripped of his Knesssitude and frankly expelled from Israel, equally I know that were this to happen Israel would attract a wasps’ nest of criticism and opprobrium. Oh, and yet MORE calls for divestment for being mean to people who want them dead or enslaved.

    No such criticism will ever attach to this Knesset “member”.

  44. says

    Well, Eastview, maybe my first comment on the topic was not well-written, and led to your misunderstanding…

    But onward!

  45. says

    carpediadem,

    If nothing else, one thing which I decided reading your post is – my next foreign vacation (if I can afford another – had one in Singapore two years back) will be in Israel. Your charge is true – while we Hindus wish a strong alliance with Israel, we do not so much as bother to visit there.

    Convincing my wife will be a tough job, but I will be trying and I hope to get my wife to agree, for once in my life !

    Sanjay