It's back! Saudi cleric revives controversy over adult-suckling fatwa

Yes, you read that right, and our You Might Want To Read This Sitting Down Department sends its suggestions that... well, you know. Why would something this wacky make a repeat appearance? What kind of weirdo would suggest such a thing? Who, indeed?

(Insert awkward silence here.)

Muhammad, actually, according to this hadith:

'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Salim, the freed slave of Abu Hadhaifa, lived with him and his family in their house. She (i. e. the daughter of Suhail came to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) and said: Salim has attained (purbety) [sic] as men attain, and he understands what they understand, and he enters our house freely, I, however, perceive that something (rankles) in the heart of Abu Hudhaifa, whereupon Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said to her: Suckle him and you would become unlawful for him, and (the rankling) which Abu Hudhaifa feels in his heart will disappear. She returned and said: So I suckled him, and what (was there) in the heart of Abu Hudhaifa disappeared. (Sahih Muslim 3425)

When, per Qur'an 33:21, Muhammad is seen as "a beautiful pattern of conduct" whose every word and action is to be admired and taken seriously, these things have a way of coming back.

"Saudi scholar's fatwa wades into controversy," by Habib Toumi for Gulf News, May 22 (thanks to Twostellas):

Manama: A Saudi scholar has waded into controversy after he said that women could give their milk to men to establish a degree of maternal relations and get around a strict religious ban on mixing between unrelated men and women.
According to Shaikh Abdul Mohsin Al Abaican, a consultant at Saudi Arabia's royal court, a man who often entered a house and came in contact with the womenfolk there should be made symbolically related to the women by drinking milk from one of the women.
Under the fatwa, the act would preclude any sexual relations between the man and the donor woman and her relatives.
However, Al Abaican said that the donor woman should not breastfeed the man directly.

Sorry -- still creepy.

"The man should take the milk, but not directly from the breast of the woman," Al Abaican said. "He should drink it and then becomes a relative of the family, a fact that allows him to come in contact with the women without breaking Islam's rules about mixing," he said, quoted by Kuwaiti and Saudi media on Saturday.
However, the scholar said that his fatwa did not apply to family drivers, explaining that they were not permanent and could be replaced. "The fatwa is only for those who live in the house or need to get in often," he said.
Al Abaican's fatwa was immediately rejected by bloggers as "a decision that is totally unrelated to reality at a time when people are thinking about bold and new space discoveries."
Many wrote that there was no reason for the fatwa to be issued and that scholars should focus instead on "much more significant issues."
The edict is also likely to be resisted by religious scholars keen on promoting a more modern view of Islamic values.
Exactly three years ago, on May 22, 2007, an Egyptian scholar was disciplined by Al Azhar University, one of Islam's most prestigious institutions, after he issued a fatwa calling upon women to breastfeed their male colleagues.
Dr Izzat Attiyah said that his fatwa offered a way around mixing of the sexes in the work place since breast-feeding established a maternal relation even if the beneficiary was not the woman's biological son or daughter.
However, following Islamic scholars' fierce denunciation of the fatwa as defamatory to Islam, Izzat retracted it.
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As if drinking a glass of milk would suddenly grow some self control where there is none.

Islam is so weird. It's like Bizzarro World, except worse.

Slightly OT but still to do with "suckling."

This is really creepy and enough to make one sick, it's from "Unmasking Muhammad" by Sujit Das (e-book free online, I recommend it if you can stomach pure evil):

"In the following quote, we can see Muhammad’s ugliness while dealing with children. It is recorded by Ash Shifa, (Tr. Aisha Abdurrahman Bewley, 2004, p 184, cited Kasem, 2007) that Muhammad had a disgusting habit of spitting in the mouths of suckling children.

No doubt, Muhammad was at top of his ugliness with this type of act. How a sane person can ever think of forcing the babies to drink his spittle? It is simply disgusting!"

Once more, and on topic, from Sujit Das:

"In Islam, even the breast-milk of a woman does not belong to her and the husband has the lawful right on it. If the adult husband forcefully drinks the milk of his wife under Sharia law, the milk is treated as a food and not as foster milk. According to Malik’s Muwatta (30.1.11),

"Suckling…after the first two years, little or much, it does not make anything haram. It is like food." As per another Hadith from Malik’s Muwatta (30.2.14), a Muslim man is divinely allowed to drink his wife’s milk (or, multiple wives’ milk on choice and test) regularly and still
can remain her sex-partner. This is the height of stupidity in Allah’s Divine law. Any sane person will die in shame, but for Muslims it makes no difference."

These people are so demented. There's just no other word for it.

"These people are so demented. There's just no other word for it."
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And all they have to do is just keep being "themselves" for all the world to see how demented they really are! LOL

You can't make this stuff up!

Suckle him and you would become unlawful for him, and (the rankling) which Abu Hudhaifa feels in his heart will disappear. She returned and said: So I suckled him, and what (was there) in the heart of Abu Hudhaifa disappeared. (Sahih Muslim 3425)
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Yep—nothing serves to dampen those inappropriate sexual urges like, uh, *suckling the woman's breasts*—that'll do it! Besides the irony, it's yet another case where the onus is on the woman if she "arouses" some guy—then she has to *suckle him* to make things right.

Here in the West, men just show some self-control—or, at most, take a cold shower.

These people are hopeless.

On the rare occasion that they come up with a rule that I actually like, they repeal it or they find a way to take all the fun out of it.

She - We can't be seen together. We might be suspected of having sex.

I - Don't worry about a thing. I've got a sure-fire way to make that problem go away. Just do as I say. First you open up your blouse ...

Damn!

There really is no fun in mohammedanism.

People - the Muslims have started an "Everybody draw the Holocaust" Day - June 30. I kid you not.

On the excellent LogansWarning site:


http://loganswarning.com/

Hmmmm. And I always thought the Islamic Muslim's superior intellect was from quaffing from the town urinal!


So when Mr. Rooter man arrives to fix the plumbing, he is allowed alone with the Islamic Muslim's wife only after "suckling up a glass of milk"? LOL

This is serious business. The new fatwa attempts to modify the "perfect" example and change the rules for the original "suckling" to a new rule of drinking from a glass. No fair; rules are not allowed to be changed.

What is interesting is that the prior fatwa suggesting actual suckling, just like that green book says, was ruled out of order by the religious authorities.

What I want to know is: where they get the exemption for husbands if its not in that green book?

Man, they're not even good at being good fundamentalists.

Suckling was the example; suckling it must be.

"As per another Hadith from Malik’s Muwatta (30.2.14), a Muslim man is divinely allowed to drink his wife’s milk..."

I wonder if this is why Muslim men act like such big babies.

What a sorry bunch of motherfu.... sorry, mothersuckers!

The only reason Mohammedans haven't bred themselves completely out of the human gene pool yet is their unsavory habit of forcefully breeding with slave-women and kidnapped women of non-mohammedan descent. Has always and unfortunately added some desperately needed IQ-points.

Does this work even if the woman in question is not a new mom and doesn't have any milk? I mean, let's say she's single and w/ a guy not related to her, does suckling him even if he'll be sucking just air solve this 'problem'?

Mohammedans suck!!!! Literally, as can be seen here

Just a cheap Muslim tactic to force more Islam upon you...promote cheap sex and demean women...all in the name of Islam.

Well if you cannot suck the Cow
than milk the cow.....

This crazy bas.td mohammadian muslim
has got nothing to do.....

Now they make their Women into a Cow..

What will those male mohammadian muslim
think of next.....

These are all a cheap Muslim tactic inviting
crazy men into going to a muslim house for
a free drinks of fresh women milk....

Do a young virgin girl have milk in their
breast....

These is another form of Jihad....

Dead on, Wellington - Echh !

However, Al Abaican said that the donor woman should not breastfeed the man directly.

Kill joy...how disappointing is that? There is nothing like Islam to take the fun out of life...Of course we know that Islam is not supposed to be fun, so it's no surprise that even a small item like suckling, has to be second hand, to avoid any unnecessary enjoyment...Allah is a party pooper...

"However, Al Abaican said that the donor woman should not breastfeed the man directly." duh_swami

I hate to ask how big Mo accomplished "second hand" breast suckling.

Ha - LOL ! Great work as usual, swami !

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