Tonight I was on the Sean Hannity Show on Fox, discussing the 9/11 Mosque.
Spencer on Hannity on the 9/11 Mosque
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I'm not sure why he's gotten so fired up about this, but I'm glad he has and he was fortunate to have two intelligent, knowledgeable, and articulate guests on for that segment tonight.
Part of his problem, IMO, is that most of his panelists are really stuck on stupid concerning Islam.
If you watched this evening's program a little further, Doug Schoen demonstrated what began as a refreshing digust of Islam that unfortunately became what turned out to be--as is all too common--disgust with 'radical' Islam.
http://newstime.co.nz/2010/undercover-mosque-the-return-trailer.html
Undercover Mosque – The Return (Trailer) … CPS & British Police apologize at Channel4 (“… and in context”)
“The Last Day will not come until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them” Sahih (authentic, correct) Muslim Book 41, Number 6985
Great interview, Robert, and thank you for exposing the imam behind building this monster mosque and his da'wa agenda.
The BIG MISTAKE from the West is to see Isalm as a religion.
Islam is a very dangerous political ideology
camouflaged as a religion.
http://godofreason.com/new-page-170.htm
"... Islam is a 7th-century barbaric politico-military ideology with religious trappings designed to disguise a murderous ideology as a religion. Only 10% of Islam is religious, the other 90% is political, evil.
Islam was created by Muhammad, an evil criminal. ..."
"Understanding Muhammad - Where Are We Headed" (p.255)
"... NON-MUSLIMS ARE GUILTY OF NAIVETY. They are the ones who inflame extremism when they validate Islam as a legitimate religion.
They have allowed unrestricted propagation of this NEFARIOUS CULT in their countries, unaware of what Islam REALLY IS. Islam does not recognize any other religion or system as legitimate.
Wherever it comes to power, it abolishes all human rights ..."
People hear the term "Shari'a" more and more often these days, but too many still don't understand it. Many think "religious law, oh let THEM have it if THEY want it" not realizing that Shari'a, like Robert explained, covers ALL, not just muslims.
That's the all-encompassing arrogance of Islam. I want to throw up when I hear that dawa spewing Imam saying that "Islamic law is about God's law, and it is not that far from what we read in the Declaration of Independence..."
Yeah, right.
The facts about Shari'a need to be spoken over and over and over again. And, just as importantly, when Shari'a creeps in in any form, it needs to be called out for what it is.
Robert, I'm surpised, but very pleased to see you on Hannity's show. Looks like he may have woken up and now understands who is THE go to guy for all things Islam, Sharia & Jihad.
http://newstime.co.nz/2010/sharia-law-punishment.html
Warning: 01:00 – 1:45
Stoning (e. g. Sahih [correct, authentic] Bukhari 4.56.829 “The Prophet then gave the order that both of them should be stoned to death”), Finger Amputate (Q 8:12 “smite all their finger-tips off them”) & Eye Removal (Sahih Bukhari 52.4.261 “… Then he ordered for nails which were heated and passed over their eyes, …)
how the Khayru-l-Khalq (the Best of Creation) Page 61 and “excellent example” (33:21) Muhammad also did, with clear orders to the Muslims to do the same
Caught the show. Nice.
Hard to make all the necessary points heard in 2.7 seconds, no?
With only a little luck you'll have to get used to it.
Thought well of Hannity for bringing you on. He's got some brains and soul.
Caught Pamela on Huckabee too. Impressive.
Interestingly the camera seems to like both of you.
Well, keep that presentation style polished. Hopefully you'll be getting called upon to explain matters to millions who don't know you yet.
You got it, dear Robert, and you exposed it, it isn't only a monster mosque, but a monster imam, too.
In parts of the interview you could see Hannity was actually "waking up" to Islam. The question is: How long will the Fox news station allow the truth to be told as was done by two knowlegeable panelists and good journalistic questioning by Hannity?
Perhaps. now, when Doggie Hooper appears on Hannity to spin the peaceful intentions of Islam, Robert will be allowed to level his deceit in another box. That will be balanced news for a huge audience who already have suspicions of Islam but no one to bring them the analysis of why those suspicions are warranted.
Mr. Spencer:
Hooray for getting an appearance on TV! Your appearances there are too scarce these days -- through no fault of your own, of course.
Due to my husband's physical condition (severe stroke last September), I cannot attend the rally. Both you and Pamela understand my situation.
However, know that both my husband and I fully support the upcoming rally and SIOA. I will try to scrape together a donation to SIOA this weekend!
Robert l am more impressed as time goes by with Hannity, l do believe like myself over time we understand islam and it evil baggage, the difference is that Hannity can broadcast it on the airwaves for millions to hear and see. btw your protest agsinst this mosque please everyone be careful, as you are all hitting so close and these islamists must be fumming at your revealing their cult to the West!
Hard to believe we are almost 10 years down the round from 9/11 and people still need primers on Islam .
100 years ago it was common knowledge Islam was a predatory genocidal force.
Has the west devolved to the point we will succumb to the first taker ?
exactly right Schnellman it's not a "religion" at all,it is a muderous mind control cult like Nazism cloaked in religious garb. If the price of Democrocy is Eternal Vigilance then we as a nation are way past due on paying that price.
It is unbelievable that we would let Nazi's take over our country just because they decided to call it a "religion of peace" but that's exactly what is happening today.
To Hell with these people, it's time to defend ourselves, if it's not too late already.
http://www.pjtv.com/v/3505
appropo this issue of the imposition of that mosque, an explicit act of Dawa to non muslims
there is a fine author of texts on Islam and sharia, Bill Warner, who is putting together a short text on Sharia and who's site is well worth a look. P:arenthetically, there is another site, by another Bill Warner, who is a miserably jealous private investigator who despises the anti jihad authorship of Robert Spencer, Pamela Geller and others, so don't be confused by the two names. The author of this article- the correct Bill Warner is at politicalIslam.com
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Sharia Law for Non-Muslims - Chapter 1
May 20, 2010
This is a chapter from an upcoming book: Sharia Law for Non-Muslims. The book was designed to be short, only 48 pages. Many people do not want to know anything about Islam, but experience shows that they may have an interest in Islamic law. Since it doesn't make any difference which part of a rope you pick up first, Sharia law is a great way to start learning about the true nature of Islam.
CHAPTER 1
Sharia in Europe Today
When you study Islam in Europe today, you are seeing America in 20 years. Why? The actions by Muslims in Europe are based on Sharia law, the same Sharia law that is beginning to be implemented in America today.
· Traffic cannot move in London streets as Muslims commandeer the streets to pray-a political result based on Sharia law.
· Entire areas of Europe are no-go zones for non-Muslims, this includes the police. These are Islamic enclaves where only Muslims live. The Muslim-only policy is based on Sharia.
· In England an Anglican bishop calls for the rule of Islamic law for Muslims. The bishop is obeying Sharia law.
· In the schools only Islamic approved texts can be used. This is based on Sharia law.
· Christians may not speak to Muslims about Christianity nor may they hand out literature. This is a political result based on Sharia law enforced by British courts.
· Rape by Muslims is so prevalent that Sweden has forbidden the police to collect any data in the investigation that would point to Islam. Rape is part of Islamic doctrine as applied to non-Muslim women.
· In London mass demonstrations by Muslims call for the end of British law and Sharia law to rule all people. This political action is based on Sharia.
· In some English hospitals, during Ramadan fast (an Islamic religious event) non-Muslims cannot eat where a Muslim can see them. The submission of non-Muslims is based on Sharia law.
· At British hospitals, Muslim women are treated only as Sharia law demands.
· If a Dane says that he is proud to be Danish near a Muslim, it can be seen as hate speech and racism. This is in accordance to Sharia law.
Sharia in America Today
Here are current and historical events in America that are driven by Sharia law:
· On September 11, 2001 jihadists attacked and destroyed the World Trade Center. This was in compliance to the laws of jihad found in the Sharia law. The attack was a political action based upon a religious motivation.
· All textbooks in America must be approved by Islamic councils that are controlled by the Muslim Brotherhood. This is in accordance with Sharia law.
· American employers and schools are met with demands for time and space to do Islamic prayer. These demands are based on Sharia law.
· The American banking system is becoming Islamicized with Sharia financing. Our banking system indulges in Sharia financial law and does not know the rest of Sharia law.
· Universities are asked to close swimming pools and other athletic facilities to be used for Muslim women.
· Hospitals are being sued for not having Sharia compliant treatment.
· No course at the college level uses critical thinking in the history and doctrine of Islam. Under Sharia no aspect of Islam may be criticized.
· Muslim charities give money to jihadists, as per Sharia law.
· Muslim foot-baths are being installed in airport facilities, using tax money. This is in accordance with Sharia law.
· American prisons are a stronghold of proselytizing for Islam.
· Workplaces are being made Islamic worship sites through special rooms and time off to pray. This is in accordance to Sharia law.
· Islamic refugees bring all of their wives for welfare and medical treatment to America. Authorities will not act even when presented with evidence. Polygamy is pure Sharia.
· We are fighting wars in Iraq and Afghanistan to implement constitutions that have the supremacy of Sharia law as their first article.
Why Do We Need to Know Sharia?
ISLAMIC SCHOLARS CLAIM: Islamic law is perfect, universal and eternal. The laws of the United States are temporary, limited and will pass. It is the duty of every Muslim to obey the laws of Allah, the Sharia.
SHARIA: Sharia is based on the principles found in the Koran and other Islamic religious/political texts. There are no common principles between American law and Sharia.
Under Sharia law:
· There is no freedom of religion
· There is no freedom of speech
· There is no freedom of thought
· There is no freedom of artistic expression
· There is no freedom of the press
· There is no equality of peoples-a non-Muslim, a Kafir, is never equal to a Muslim
· There are no equal rights for women
· Women can be beaten
· A non-Muslim cannot bear arms
· There is no equal protection under Sharia for different classes of people. Justice is dualistic, with one set of laws for Muslim males and different laws for women and non-Muslims.
· Our Constitution is a man-made document of ignorance, jahiliyah, that must submit to Sharia
· There is no democracy, since that means that a non-Muslim is equal to a Muslim
· Non-Muslims are dhimmis, third-class citizens
· There is no Golden Rule
· There is no critical thought
· All governments must be ruled by Sharia law
Unlike common law, Sharia is not interpretive, nor can it be changed
THE SOLUTION
This book uses a fact-based approach to knowledge that uses analytic or critical thought. When you finish reading, you will know what Sharia law is. More importantly you will know why Sharia is what it is. You will understand how Sharia "works" and why it cannot change. For the first time, you will understand Islam. It will all make sense.
The Three Views of Islam
There are three points of view in dealing with Islam. The point of view depends upon how you feel about Mohammed. If you believe Mohammed is the prophet of Allah, then you are a believer. If you don't, you are a nonbeliever. The third viewpoint is that of an apologist for Islam. Apologists do not believe that Mohammed was a prophet, but they try to be tolerant without any actual knowledge of Islam.
Here is an example of the three points of view.
In Medina, Mohammed sat all day long beside his 12-year-old wife while they watched as the heads of 800 Jews were removed by sword. Their heads were cut off because they had said that Mohammed was not the prophet of Allah. Muslims view these deaths as necessary because denying Mohammed's prophet-hood was an offense against Islam and beheading is the accepted method of punishment, sanctioned by Allah.
Nonbelievers look at this event as proof of the jihadic violence of Islam and as an evil act.
Apologists say that this was a historic event, that all cultures have violence in their past, and no judgment should be passed. They have never actually read any of Islam's foundational texts, but still speak authoritatively about Islam.
According to the different points of view, killing the 800 Jews was:
· A tragedy
· A perfect sacred act
· Another historical event. We have done worse.
There is no "right" view of Islam, since the views cannot be reconciled.
This book is written from the nonbeliever point of view. Everything in this book views Islam from how it affects non-Muslims. This also means that the religion is of little importance. A Muslim cares about the religion of Islam, but all nonbelievers are affected by Islam's political views.
This book discusses Islam as a political system. There is no need to talk about Muslims or religion. Muslims are people and vary from one to another. Religion is what one does to go to Paradise and avoid Hell. It is not useful nor necessary to discuss Islam as a religion. But we have to talk about Islam in the political realm, because it is a powerful political system.
Bill Warner, Center for the Study of Political Islam
From above...This book discusses Islam as a political system. There is no need to talk about Muslims or religion.
Ok, sounds like a plan...Lets just forget all about Islam as a religion, all those verses like 9:5, 47:4, 8:39, 2:193
they just get on my nerves anyway...
"Hard to believe we are almost 10 years down the round from 9/11 and people still need primers on Islam."
I have thought that for a long time now. What are these "primer people" - Simpletons? It's not like comprehending Islam is rocket science!
"It is unbelievable that we would let Nazi's take over our country just because they decided to call it a "religion of peace" but that's exactly what is happening today.
To Hell with these people, it's time to defend ourselves, if it's not too late already."
Exactly. I would include Fascists in your first sentence, too.
I have an idea. Let's see just how peaceful those 9/11 mosque muslims really are. Why not hold a Muhammed drawing competition across the street from the mosque? Or just have signs with the old terrorist's picture on it? Let's see what the police do, the courts, or the terrorists themselves.
I have an idea: Why not set up a Draw Muhammed competition across the street from the mosque and see what happens? See what the police and the courts do.
SORRY FOR THE DOUBLE COMMENTS. It appeared my first one didn't make it in.
I think Swami, you misunderstood the implication of the statement "This book discusses Islam as a political system. There is no need to talk about Muslims or religion."
Ok, sounds like a plan...Lets just forget all about Islam as a religion, all those verses like 9:5, 47:4, 8:39, 2:193
they just get on my nerves anyway..
The point by Warner, and by Robert and Burlingame, was that the 'religious' aspect of Islam has a 'political' aspect, which is that it applies to non muslims by fiat that it alone should rule, and in the case of Sharia, apply.
Thus Warner's point in his statement about Sharia law is that whilst any religious ideology and theology that applies to the believers of a faith might be somewhat off bounds, to outsiders, a political ideology, which is what Islam presents, beyond it's own private religious theology and ideology, is fundamentally political and is explicitly political as regards it's obligation to be replace others legal systems.
I do however, agree with you that it is impossible to forget that it is Islam's religious system that inspires this political extension, but Warner is arguing, rightly it seems to me that the proper arguments against Sharia is it's application to non muslims and for which we must deny Sharia any and all authenticity upon non muslims everywhere.
I've got to say from the outset, (co-founder of 9/11 Families for a Safe America) Debra Burlingame's defense of Mayor Michael Bloomberg pusillanimous statement on this issue was disheartening, to say the least. Bloomberg's behavior on this and other recent moral issues has been shameful.
According to Mr. Bloomberg (as Burlingame related, "They (the jihadists) have lawfully purchased this property (and thus) they have a right to build," etc. Mayor Bloomberg was "neutal" Burllingame told Hannity. When you are at war with an enemy that poses an existential threat, there is no neutrality. Sorry. Every Jew worth his or her salt knows this. Surely Bloomberg understands this.
When this mosque issue first came into the spotlight, I said that Bloomberg and Quinn were way too politically correct to oppose it.
His "neutral" stance, is a stamp of approval.
Not to be overly critical of Ms. Burlingame - she may be a bit new to this - yet when one is a spokesman or spokeswoman for families and family members of 9/11 victims, on as critical an issue as this issue, one needs to be very circumspect and precise. There is no defending Bloomberg's "neutrality" between good and evil. If Bloomberg is neutral between civilization and barbarism, then he is on the side of barbarism in my opinion.
Robert Spencer where would be without you?
Good for Hannity here. He's letting the truth be spoken about Islam on his program. Still look forward to the day, though, when folks like Hannity will announce to their audience that they have come to the conclusion that Islam, and not just some perversion of Islam a la Huckabee, is incompatible with American law and values. Not there yet but we're getting there. People are waking up everywhere to what Islam really has in store for us, even talk-show hosts. I see blue skies ahead. In the far distance, but ahead nonetheless.
mgoldberg,
Center for the Study of Political Islam and Bill Warner put out some really useful books about Islam. For example, they publish a Koran with the chapters put into chronological order so that the book becomes a narrative (whereas in the standard Koran, chapters are arranged from longest to shortest, which has very little to do with when a chapter was revealed, and has the effect of obscuring the story, as if one were to read a tale completely out of sequence). The Center also inserts into the book quotes from the earliest Muslim biography of Muhammad, so that one can see the event or situation a particular Koran sentence is referring to. The Center actually sells two versions of the Koran: the above as described, and one just like the above, but with all the repetition removed, so the book becomes half as long.
Warner writes some brilliant articles about Islam as well. In some ways his approach to the Koranic doctrine of abrogation or canceling is the most intelligent one I've seen. Where there are contradictions in the Koran, Warner doesn't rely overly on abrogration to establish which side of a Koran contradiction is valid, and which side no longer valid because the later verse cancels or abrogates an earlier contradictory one.
Warner reminds us that since Muslims believe that "Allah" has brought both sides of the contradiction, Muslims, following Allah's dualistic logic, will treat both sides of the contradiction as true. Warner therefore advises taking a statistical approach: how much of the Koran follows one side of the contradiction, and how much follows the other side of the contradiction? If one documents that 97% of the uses of the word "jihad" refer to military jihad, and only 3% refer to inner jihad, that tells one what one needs to know, and enables one to avoid fruitless debates in which one person quotes peaceful verses, and another quotes warlike verses, one person says the peaceful ones are abrogated/canceled because they came earlier than the warlike ones, and another person says both sides are true because the Koran is from Allah, and Allah does not have to obey the law of non-contradiction.
And Warner is really on to something there, because it's true for many Muslims: Allah is completely above any law, even the logical law of non-contradiction, and obeys only himself. He is conceived as being rather like some ancient Middle Eastern despot with absolute power, who need explain his actions and statements to no one and rules utterly arbitrarily, obeying not even the laws of logic. Anything less than Allah's absolute sovereignty, according to many pious Muslims, would be an insult to Allah and beneath Allah's dignity. Islam really does translate as "submission." Submission to an absolute tyrant.
Recall that Muslim traditions show early Muslims aiming contempt at the Jews in part because the Jews, according to the Muslims, held that God was "fettered." For pious Muslims, Allah is "not fettered" by any law, even the law of non-contradiction.
Thus the Koran is shrouded and camouflaged in contradictions and dualistic logic that no person is permitted to resolve. One is not permitted to question Allah's lack of consistency.
And thus pious Muslims can camouflage their intentions toward non-Muslims insofar as those intentions are genuinely double, dualistic, and contradictory. Thus Warner says it becomes necessary to employ a very simple statistical method on Islam -- a method that really just amounts to counting. How much of the Koran supports violence and totalitarian Islamic law, and how much supports tolerance and pluralism? Both sides are supported by the Koran, but violence and totalitarianism have by far the larger percentage of Muhammad's biography and of Koran verses and chapters and hadiths (in addition to the fact that violent Koran verses were revealed later in time, so that Islamic scholars sometimes speak of the violent verses canceling the tolerant ones). So can we document the percentages? That's part of what Warner works on.
Thank you, Robert Spencer!
And now for a rally cry theme song...I only found this yesterday - but it was written a few years ago, I believe:
"It's in the Koran" song
By "Patrick Henry" (LOL!)
Scroll to the bottom of this page for video/audio:
http://markhumphrys.com/in.the.koran.html
Semper Fidelis
There Robert said it again; Islam and Sharia law are AT VARIANCE with the Constitution and laws of Democratic societies. Like there is no equality of all people and both genders before the law. Wellington too talked about the incompatibilities between Democracy and Islam. Those of Islam are moreover immutable until "Armageddon", and THAT is not democratic either.
This has to be sorted out well and broadcasted widely. Muslims have choices to make, between theocracy and democracy. And then they must be held accountable for their choices. And even of the choices of their co-religionists or else they must replace loyalty to the Ummah with loyalty to Democratic constitutions and laws. And show it when monitored.
If PCMC's come again with the Tu Quoque of Christian texts that are also anti-democratic the Christians and the Pope can give the good example by reiterating why now their religion is no longer incompatible with the essential democratic values and laws.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6coDU6MHZ8
"... if it is a contradiction between Islamic Law (Sharia)
and Britisch Law ... British Law can go to Hell!"
(Abu Izzadeen, true & pious Muslim)
Q.2:191 "Slay the unbelievers wherever you catch them."
WAKE UP, AMERICA!!!
Robert, the academic in you is showing up and it's not helping deliver your message.
Don't say that shariah is in "variance" with the constitution of the United States. That would be very good in an ivory tower discussion where nuance is paramount.
The average person will not know what "variance" means and on TV, you're going to the average Joe and Jane.
Say sharia is the total opposite of the constitution OR that for most people sharia will remove all rights protected by the constitution. Women would lose their rights, non-muslims would lose their rights. That brings the point across to the average Joe and Jane.
I almost didn't understand what you said and i am a fan of yours.
"Hard to believe we are almost 10 years down the round from 9/11 and people still need primers on Islam."
I have thought that for a long time now. What are these "primer people" - Simpletons? It's not like comprehending Islam is rocket science!
And yet many of the commenters above show way too much patience for Hannity's excruciatingly snail-like "progress". It seems that Hannity grows one new brain cell a year toward the ultimate goal of seeing what should be as plain as the nose on his face -- something which we civilians here at Jihad Watch have had no trouble coming up to speed on. Perhaps by the year 2020 Hannity will finally develop 20/20 vision about Islam. Why is it that ordinary people like us here at Jihad Watch can see this, but Hannity has to go through a painstaking process lasting years and years?
Stop being satisfied with crumbs. Stop applauding Hannity for taking baby steps. Expect more. Stop settling for less.
You wrote: "Stop being satisfied with crumbs. Stop applauding Hannity for taking baby steps. Expect more. Stop settling for less."
I agree.
Cannot claim I listen to R. Limbaugh the entire three hours. I don't. For the past few days I've been listening to Spencer's "The Complete Infidel's Guide to the Koran," narrated by Lloyd James. I think James mispronounced a few names and words here and there, but overall he does a fine job. He seems interested and passionate about his subject.
I've not heard Limbaugh mention this proposed mosque near ground zero.
Today however, I heard him talking about Obama's deplorable foreign policy, how he is coddling Iran even as Iran seeks nuclear capability and threatens to annihilate Israel. Then Limbaugh said, "You've got to understand the motives of these people....."
I thought, "FINALLY." Limbaugh is going to discuss the motives of the very people who want to subjugate and / or kill us. But alas, no. What he was referring to were the motives of the Obama administration and the Democrats. Alas.
I think it is great to see Robert, who has the real facts about Islam, in front of 2-3 million people. Some of Roberts knowledge is bound to rub off. Hats off to Hannity, for trying to breach his dearth of knowledge (and fear) of Islam.
Great job, Robert!
It is very encouraging to witness the amount of detail Spencer manages to squeeze into these limited soundbites.
Of particular focus, highlighting the point that UNLIKE religious law of ANY OTHER FAITH, sharia mandates compliance on both Muslim and non-Muslim was the prize in this interview.
Beginning at 3:10
This was an excellent, succinct presentation by Robert, who needs far more exposure on television and radio shows with large audiences, such as Hannity's, whatever one might think of Hannity himself. I, like so many others, am baffled by the refractory cluelessness of so many in government and in the media concerning the menace of Islam, but in fact it's suprising that people like Robert are even permitted to appear on Fox News at all, since the Saudi prince Alwaleed bin Talal owns a significant minority share of Fox News's parent company, and certainly must have influence as to what issues and events can be covered, how, and to what extent.
It must be said, however, that Robert keeps getting better and better (and increasingly effective) as a speaker, presenter, and debater, now equal to his skill as a writer. I hope he will become far more well-known to the general public, and the sooner the better. Our survival depends on it.
Very nice job, Robert. With this single appearance you undoubtedly reached several million new people, and for some of them this will be new information. Keep it up. You are a teacher, and as any good teacher (and any Zen master) knows, patient repetition is one of the most effective methods of teaching. Keep repeating your message over and over again, and eventually lights will start going on, perhaps only a few at first, but more and more as time goes on. The goal is to reach the tipping point where the message goes viral and starts self-propagating. Not there yet, but moving in the right direction. Your job will be made easier when Obama is no longer around to run interference for the competition.
Muslim Oil Money Suppresses Free Speech Rights of Millions and can and will do the same in all our futures!
Millions and millions of entries for the "Draw Mohammed day" were successfully censored by the Muslims and their great number of super millionaire stock holders, Lobbyists, and, or course, bought off Politicians. Oil Money is in complete control of the Western World now - this proves it: Consider: Millions of people responded to "Draw Mohammed day" from all over the world in an effort to prove they had "free-speech" in spite of the hatred of free-speech the Muslims believe God has towards it, and all of the Muslim promises to murder anyone exercising their total right to free-speech. They were shut up really fast and with great ease, and now you all see that this huge news story, the biggest and most interesting in the world since the 9-11 suicide bombings - and very related to it, was completely suppressed with only the ease and completeness that Powerful Oil Money and threats of death could provide. The Muslims are in control - it is their world now. We westerners are cowering in the corners with great fear. We are effete because of our love of so called 'birth control' and abortion murders. So we import workers into our country if they can pay our politicians something - but, because of the Mexicans, we can't bring as many potential suicide bomber who are able to get Oil Money to pay to get here. Every Mexican displaces one Muslim - that is why our bought off politicians hate amnesty and will spend all their political capital putting a stop to it (for personal reward or course). But Mexicans, like us, do not believe in murdering those who try to quit our religion, they do not believe in the God of revenge, but, like us, the God of turning the other cheek - a God that hates murder and slavery and double standards - Mexicans are American as Apple Pie which is why Big Oil Money hates them. Those of you who don't believe me - how do you explain this fact right in front of your face? Namely, CNN, ABC, NBC. PBS, etc, etc, have nothing to say about this biggest of all stories - or so little that it is irrelevant. Explain how that could be? Explain also how the New York flopped car bomber tried to blow up Comedy Central and the creators of South Park (the car bomb was in front of their building) and no new story would dare to report this glaring fact. It is easy and obvious. Big Oil Money Treats and Bribes! I plan to make my contribution to the Everyone Draw Mohammad Day soon. The Catholic Church, and most Protestants, say that Christians worship the same God as do the Muslims. In other words, Allah equals God. No one had ever provided a picture of Allah before (because of great fear). I plan to be the first person to ever do that - stay tuned for "Everyone Draw Allah Day".
Kudos indeed, St. Patrick. Sean Hannity also has a separate radio program which hosted both Debra Burlingame and Robert Spencer, AGAIN! this afternoon.
Debra elaborated even further on the evolution of Abdul Rauf's book. Burlingame also pointed out the absurd presentation of the Cordoba House as a "fait accompli" - also connecting the history of this imam's portrayal of Cordoba to the golden age of Islam under the Caliphate of Córdoba. Robert again pointedly described what sharia law was and managed in that limited window of opportunity to again stress the difference between other religious laws impact on society compared to sharia which inflicts application to both Muslim and non-Muslim alike.
I will look for this radio segment online as time permits.
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Traeh noted ....."Center for the Study of Political Islam and Bill Warner put out some really useful books about Islam."
True... I've got most of them along with R Spencers and they're a tremendous help in laying out the issues.
And your summation was well stated.... also his audio 13 chapter discussion of Islam is well worth a listen and priced inexpensively. And it is important to note that the 'other' bill warner, the PI is a man who is very jealous and weirdly ugly in his dismissiveness of R Spencer, P Geller, A Bostom and most of the others whom are on our lists of must listen too must read people.
Hannity is one of the few journalists on major TV with the integrity to expose the truth even when that truth is inconvenient or not PC enough. A little like our own Hesperado within our JW universe (freedom of expression heaven).
He is my hero.
I was able to catch Robert Spencer's appearance on Hannity's show, and it was excellent.
I've read Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf's appalling "What's Right with Islam is What's Right with America"—perhaps the most meretricious book *I have ever read*—and that's saying a lot.
Rauf's implications in the book are that unfree and oppressive Islam and America—with all its freedoms and guarantees of individual and minority rights—are *somehow* entirely compatible.
I loved Mr. Spencer's pointing out that Rauf's referring to the United States as "Shari'ah compliant" *should not be read as Shari'ah and the constitution being in accordance*, but that America has a system that can be gamed by Muslims to impose Shari'ah—very different things.
Also—FOX News had a feature, "American Terrorist", about Anwar al-Awlaki in Hannity's time-slot tonight. It was quite good and worth seeing. I'm sure they'll run it again.
Things I'd like to see.
Mr Spencer being asked to address the combined Upper and Lower Houses of Parliament, in Canberra, on the subject of Jihad, Sharia, and Islam.
Mr Spencer addressing the National Press Club luncheon, in Canberra.
Mr Spencer being interviewed by Andrew Denton of 'Enough Rope' on Australian national TV.
Mr Spencer being interviewed on the 7.30 report (as Ayaan Hirsi Ali was, when she visited Australia).
Mr Spencer being photographed laying a wreath, and giving a short speech about what motivates Jihad, at the Bali Bombing Victims' Memorial on Coogee Beach, Sydney.
Paging my fellow Australian non-Muslim posters and lurkers: HOW, how, HOW do we get Mr Spencer to Australia? To speak in Sydney, Melbourne and Canberra *at least*.
I think his cheerful smile and plain speaking would win him a *lot* of fans and open a lot of eyes in the Land Down Under.
Not to belabor the point, but the effects of the utter destruction of other religions, their churches, synogogues, temples, art, their merest existence except as dhimmi, humiliated
artifacts by Islam is part and parcel to any study of this problem of sharia imposition.
I listened yesterday to that fellow Warners (politicalislam.com) audio files, and the
one entiteld 'The Tears of Jihad' is a review of the entire history of muslim conquering of Christian, Hindu and other humiliated conquered peoples.
It is a fine review and this ought to be required listening and reading for all those who dare to peddle, the false demand for 'dialogue' by allowing muslim mosques and centers when Islam did no such thing ever in it's history.
Along it's history of killing over 270 millions of others.... all killed for not accepting Mo' as the prophet of.......
DDA,
I wrote to Robert a couple of years ago (roughly) and asked him about appearing in Australia.
Sincei i thought a personal appearance might be too expensive, I asked what he thought about appearing at via videoconferencing, which is cheaper, relatively easy to organise (especially if you have Skype) and easy to attend. He was happy with this alternative too, as I recall.
If you have any groups/friends/colleagues who are interested, I'm sure Robert will be happy to sit in front of a web cam and lecture and answer questions. You could even carry him around on a laptop for anyone with partial vision! ;)
Hesperado -
the difference between Hannity and people here on Jihadwatch is that the JWers are actively seeking information on anything and everything to do with Islam and how it affects us, the world, and freedom.
People like Hannity (and since I don't know him, I impute nothing to him) who are not much aware of Islam (at least in public)probably do not make much of an effort to explore its meaning and impication.
Probably they are used to freedom, can't understand the growing danger and are not necessarily able to assimilate the deep historical roots and facts surrounding islam and the nature of conquest and Arab society.
There are some other factors.
Hannity is in the media. You may or may not have seen the declaration of the Society of Professional Journalists
(I think it's on breitbart or atlasshrugs) that instructed members to not speak of Muslims as anything other than as part of a diverse American society or in terms of their colourful ethnic presence in USA, etc etc.
In other words, media is explicitly complicit (if I may put it that way) in covering up exactly what is going on regarding Islamic supremacy and their exact intentions regarding America and the world. Plus many of them are simply not very intelligent and are also huge cowards ( I do not pretend to be braver than they, but I want to knjow what is going on.)
Don't forget too, that though there are many realistic Americans who recognise the threat, many are simply trying to get along and don't really wish to confront this. When they are presented with politicians who obfuscate the issues, refuse to face it and actively support Muslims in their quest to take over, what is one to do?Especially when the Saudis throw all their petrodollars into propaganda, lawfare, textbook revisionism and tons of committees like CAIR.
This then is the third factor - the deliberate selling of the USA to Muslims by the government - based on the documents supplied here on JW by Robert, notably the one by Clinton which effectively allowed Islam, unlike Chrisitianity and Judaism etc. to proselytise actively in the USA, goverment is deliberately allowing and financing the overthrow of the US. Just look at the behaviour of Obama!
We have a situation in Australia that is rapidly approaching US situation - however, many Ozzies are very worried abotu what is occurring and are attempting to find stuff out and speak out. Naturally they are derided as racists by university types, media, and a whole bunch of The Clueless, including government officials including our trade minister Simon Crean who actively is pushing Shariah finance into this Country. He wants money. That's all it is, that and votes, lots and lots of lovely votes.
We have a minister of Musliticultural Affairs Laurie Ferguson, in NSW, with a Muslim constituency. When I told him of a sign that said "Jews must learn that (symbol of a swastika) will return" held by a hijabbed four year old girl, and said that pro Pali demos often meant increased attacks on Jews he said, and I quote" Well, what else do you expect?". This from a Federal Minister! He has also introduced Tariq Ramadan at a university (one fo the many being financed by Saudi Money here)and, no suprise, has a Palestinian Solidarity member working for him in his electoral office.
Our so-called Counter terrorism task force at Monash University ahs a convert to Islam as the head of it. Our police believe in and speak sympathetically of "Islamophobia". Despite this there is still anti terrorist work going on, but, as in the US there are ACLU types working on defending Islam from discussion and what they call 'raciosm" ie real info coming out in the MSM. Still things do get through.
One measure is, i think to get alliances going between threatened groups, which is everyone except Muslim males really.
The absolute key however, in my view, is for the populace class actions going against every politician in every country including and especially Eurabia, who endangers the country and people they represent by facilitating the spread of Islam, which is against every democratic Constitution that ia m aware of.
Why? Because given the nature of many of these characters, unless they feel it out of their own pockets and their won blood, they will not do a damn thing to protect the countries that are paying them to do so.
When a government employee (Tim Hamilton, working for Kelvin Thompson) tells you, as happened recently, that he would not attend an antiIslam rally out of "respect for [his] Muslim friend", despite getting frantic and worried calls about Islam and terorism from several states away, and despite being paid to work for the interests of Australia, then there is a serious problem.
Another factor is that many people are scared of Islam and Muslims and genuinely believe that by being "nice" they won't bother them. Thought this is wrong, I believe it is one way they have of pretending that they are in control of the situation, by being the benevolenty White Man (so to speak) who can propitiate the violent by being nice.
This is a common misconception and behaviour present in many organisations, not just society. Until we can find a way to really cope with this kind of behaviour we will not be able to protect ourselves. Some people are able to handle confrontation, others are not.
Yet another factor is the terror groupies who, as Chas Newkey Burden puts it in his excellent book Not in My Name
fetishise Arab supremacism and Islamic terror. These people/ Communist types are actively running interference for Muslim out of hatred for Jews and America.
obviously I'm saying here much that you already know - I guess I'm saying there are many fronts to this.
Frankly i think if all we were facing is the Islamic threat there would not be a problem , because we could fight a clear-cut threat - it is the facilitators and nuancers of this threat in our own countries who are the real problem, hence my belief in popular class actions against them.
Hmm, looking at the length of this I probably should have stopped at the first paragraph!
The title of the book i mentioned above did not come through. Full title and authors are:
Not in My Name: A Compendium of Modern Hypocrisy: Julie Burchill, Chas Newkey-Burden.
One of the posts from this book can be found on www.oyvagoy.com, Chas NewkeyBurden's blog. He is a gay journo/writer who writes for the Jewsih Chronicle in UK, as does Julie Burchill.
Apologies for my many typos - it's late.
The construction of a Mosque so close to ground zero (WTC) is a slap in the face to The citizens of NYC, victims of 911 and all of America.
Obviously this is symbolic as many things are in Islamic culture.
Sometime ago I came across something that seems too out there to be taken seriously. I need anyone to look at this now for serious consideration.
The logo that was created for the London Olympics 2012 was created by branding agency Wolff Olins. I believe it was under the management of Abed Bibi from their Saudi Arabia or Dubai offices. This is a quote from an interview with Abed Bibi.
“Everyone deserves a better
life, and this should be our
aim, to have a better world,
better life, better brands,” he
says. “If a human being or a
president is a brand, then
if he’s good… he’s gifted his
entire nation.”
Such ‘brands’, according
to Bibi, include everyone
from JFK to Castro, Sheikh
Zayed to Yasser Arafat. The
‘brands’ of Islam include
the Hajj, Mecca and Jerusalem. (al-quds?)
But despite a bit of intellectualizing
in this frenzy
of idealism, Bibi has to admit (frenzy of idealism)
that—in the corporate
world—the region is yet to
come up with a truly enduring
brand statement (until now))
Castro, Sheik Zayed and Yasser Arafat gifted their nation?
Jerusalem is an Islamic Brand?
Although it was not popular by other logo designers or the general public (who petitioned to have it banned)it still was chosen to represent both Olympics and Paralympics 2012.
The logo which resembles puzzle like characters, is exactly that. When I deconstruct the Olympic design and reconstruct the characters I get what appears to be a reference to 911, The pieces seem to form a 911 with what could appear as a plane going into two towers and a separate shape of a pentagon. In the Paralympics logo deconstructed and reconstructed two towers, statue of liberty and embassy suites hotel.
I know you can sometimes make something into what you would like it to be but this is just too close
to be disregarded as nonsense. Two logos from two different logos I can create these symbols or landmarks in lower Manhattan and the pentagon.
I believe these logo are just as symbolic as the Mosque being built 2 blocks away from Ground Zero. This is an insult to Americans of any race who believe that radical Islam was responsible for deaths of innocent lives on September 11, 2001.
Now the strange thing about the embassy suites is when you go into Google Earth 3-D Model of that building(embassy suites NYC) you will find a picture gallery of the aftermath of 911 on the inside walls. Just zoom straight down through the roof from above and facing north.
No other 3D model has this characteristic
I've been hoping someone would look into this for a longtime and give it some consideration as crazy as it appears to be.
Links below for images and media
Images of logos and symbolism view them all large
http://www.flickr.com/photos/outadbox/sets/72157623016572796
Interview of Abed BiBi about Arab super brands
http://www.wolffolins.com/media/uploads/20_profile.pdf