Switzerland: Muslim father murders his teenage daughter with an axe in honor killing

"Aisha said (to Mohammed), 'I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women. Look! Her skin is greener than her clothes!'" --Sahih Bukhari 7:72:715

In this aspect, at least, Islam is indeed eternal.

"A meeting with Svera, coaches and family counselor was scheduled for Tuesday morning."

I guess the dad really didn't want her to go. Plan B.

One wonders if Muslims would ever realize that following Quran and Mo/allah turns them into demons. They are born as humans but turn into demons as Mo/allah takes over their brains!!!

They become like their bloodthirsty, cruel god and his bloodthirsty cruel profit.

Human life is extremely cheap in mohammedism. It makes allah happy when I kill my own child, brother, wife, uncle, cousin, ad nauseum.

Perhaps as part of our "Transforming Islam" campaign we should bring young Muslimahs to that house in Fall River where Lizzie Borden lived, and begin to give them some new ideas.

Poor girl. Killed by her father. These honor killings are totaly alien to our culture in the West, thank God.

Great idea, Hugh.

Why are these Barbarians in Switzerland?

Islam is more important to these Mohammedans then their daughters. They send their male kids to commit suicide bombings to become martyrs and get their 72 houris and pearly boys, to have sex with, in the perverted Islamic after life.

I went and read it all: several different reports. Despite the infelicities of the translations, the basics of the story can be discerned.

A couple of observations.

First, this girl had bucked Sharia in a big way: she hadn't just demonstrated un-Islamic insubordination by wearing western-style clothes, or by daring to choose her own man; she had gone outside the Umman and chosen *a native Swiss NON-MUSLIM* man. From the sound of it, this girl and her 'Louis', who identifies himself as 'a Christian' were very devoted and might well have gone on, in a few years, to marry.

And as we all know, Sharia absolutely forbids *any* kind of liaison between Muslim women and non-Muslim men.

Louis himself, the boyfriend, states plainly that the girl's family rejected him - and punished their daughter - because he wasn't a Muslim. "Because I'm a Christian the mother didn't accept me on Svera's side. As punishment for having a non-Muslim boy-friend Svera was locked up in the bathroom by her mother for several nights. She wanted to ban our contact, by all means."

I am not at all surprised that these devout, sharia-steeped Muslims murdered their daughter.

Second observation: the Swiss authorities should NOT have appointed a *Muslim* counsellor in the case!

Yep: the 'counsellor' involved, was a Muslim, an Egyptian male Muslim. One of the reports that was translated, states, forsooth, "The family counselor himself is a devout Muslim".

No way that such a person would do anything to help a Muslim girl who was showing signs of wanting to leave Islam, a girl who had taken a *non-Muslim* Swiss Christian for a friend and lover. For all we know, that Muslim 'counsellor' could be complicit in the murder.

Excerpt from one of the reports:

"The Egyptian family counselor Hamdy E., who has been assisting the family for two years visited her body the same day [as the murder]. He told it to one of Svera's friends. A long with the family he prepared everything necessary for the funeral.

He wasn't willing to tell the friend [i.e. the boyfriend, Louis] when the funeral was scheduled. He merely revealed that is scheduled until Friday. "

Memo to the clueless Swiss authorities: if you have a girl from a Muslim family who is presenting as a victim of abuse, *do not*, repeat, *do not* assign a MUSLIM MALE 'counsellor' to the case!!! Choose a *non-Muslim*, whether male or female; somebody smart and tough who can see through BS.

How tragic. How many girls and women must be killed before something is done? The governments don't look at this as a religious thing; you hear it from politicians all over - "There is domestic abuse and murders in every religion." I guess that is true, but it is almost epidemic in Islam. There are entire websites dedicated to women who have been killed in "honour killings". There are thousands of women missing in the Western world that friends believe have been killed in honour killings but have no proof. They just went missing one day, it just happened that they had done something their male relatives didn't like just prior to them going missing. Quite the coincidence.

Does Islam teach compassion? How could that man hit his child? Then to kill her???? I cannot grasp how anyone could hurt their child. Where was this childs mother? Beaten and afraid or complicit?

WHAT PERCENTAGE OF HONOR KILLINGS ARE DONE BY MUSLIMS?
According to the article "Worldwide Trends in Honor Killings," published in the Middle East Forum, Muslims do 91 percent of honor killings worldwide and 96 percent of honor killings in Europe.

The muslim family counselor is probably there to get her married, not to keep her alive.

As regards the blind folly of the 'cultural sensitivity' which inflicts a Muslim man as the 'counsellor' or 'social worker' in cases where a Muslim girl is experiencing abuse or even death threats from her Muslim family within the West, we can compare the case of 'Svera R.' in Switzerland, with the disastrous experience of 'Hannah Shah' in the UK.

Hannah unlike Svera did eventually manage to escape - and apostasise, and find an nice sweet non-Muslim husband; but it was no thanks at all to the Muslim male social worker that the British authorities first assigned to Hannah's case when, as a frightened, sexually and physically and emotionally abused Muslim teenager in a British school, she first screwed up the courage to seek help.

Here is the relevant portion of Hannah's story.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article5907458.ece

From The Sunday Times

March 15, 2009

'My imam father came after me with an axe'.

From that article:

'Hannah’s description in the book of the moment when her “community” discovered the “safe” home where she had fled after becoming an apostate is terrifying. A mob with her father at its head pounded and hammered at the door as she cowered upstairs hoping she could not be seen or heard. She heard her father shout through the letter box: “Filthy traitor! Betrayer of your faith! Cursed traitor! We’re going to rip your throat out! We’ll burn you alive!”

'Does she still believe they would have killed her?

“Yes, without a doubt. They had hammers and knives and axes.”

'Why didn’t you call the police after-wards?

“First, I didn’t think the police would believe me. That sort of thing just doesn’t happen in this country – or that’s what they’d think.

"*Second, I didn’t believe I would get help or protection from the authorities* {my emphasis - dda}.”

'Hannah had good reason for this doubt.

'When, at school, she had finally summoned the courage to tell a teacher that her father had been beating her (she couldn’t bring herself to reveal the sexual abuse),* the social services sent out a social worker from her own community* {My emphasis - dda}.

'He {the Muslim social worker - dda} chose not to believe Hannah and, in effect, shopped her to her father, who gave her the most brutal beating of her life.

'When she later confronted the social worker, he said: “It’s not right to betray your community.”

'Hannah blames what is sometimes called political correctness for this debacle:

“My teachers had thought they were doing the right thing, *they thought it showed ‘cultural sensitivity’ by bringing in someone from my own community to ‘help’, but it was the worst thing they could have done to me. This happens a lot* {my emphasis - dda}.

“When I’ve been working with girls who were trying to get out of an arranged marriage, or want to convert to Christianity,

"and they have contacted social services as they need to get out of their homes,

"the reaction has been ‘we’ll send someone from your community to talk to your parents’.

" I know why they are doing this, they are trying to be understanding, *but it’s the last thing that the authorities should do in such situations* {my emphasis - dda}.”

THE LAST THING that the [non-Muslim] authorities should do in such situations, is...to 'send someone from [the Muslim at-risk girl's] community'.

Write that in letters of fire.

More on 'Hannah Shah' here:

http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm/blog_id/20277

If Svera R.'s 'counsellor' had been a non-Muslim woman, say, with commonsense and guts, Svera R. might be alive today.

As it is, I suspect strongly that that Egyptian Muslim 'counsellor' who was attached to Svera's case for two whole years, was interested in one thing and one thing only: protecting and strengthening Islam and making sure that insubordinate Svera never, never, never got the chance to apostasise and get away from the Muslim Mob with her life.

Back to Hannah Shah: from the second link given above, some more detail on the Muslim 'social worker' and his active betrayal of Hannah:

"Hannah went to secondary school

'and sometimes she played truant and other times her teachers had difficulty persuading her to go home after lessons.

'They [her non-Muslim teachers - dda] realised something was wrong and Hannah told them that she suspected a marriage was being arranged for her and that she was sometimes beaten.

'This is where the particular horror of being the daughter of an Islamic family comes in.

'Her teachers were sensitive to her “cultural needs”.

'*They got her a Pakistani Muslim social worker, Omer. He spoke to her father. Her father tied her up with cord and beat her.* {my emphasis - dda} She was locked in the cellar for several days. She contemplated suicide but didn’t.

'Back at school she saw Omer.

QUOTE - I [Hannah] looked him in the eye. “You’re a real bastard . . .”

'I could see the shock on his face. “Hey I was just doing what I thought was right – it’s not right to betray your community”

“Don’t you ever come near me again. You know what, you’re shit at your job. You know that? Totally shit” UNQUOTE.

"Hannah made friends with another rebellious Pakistani girl called Skip and she moved on to Sixth Form College *where she grew to know and trust Mrs Jones the Religious Studies teacher* {my emphasis - dda}.

"When she found out that she was being taken to Pakistan for her arranged marriage Skip helped her escape and Mrs Jones (a shrewd woman) took her in.

"This time the social worker allocated to her was a trustworthy Englishman named Barry." END

And *that* made all the difference...two savvy non-Muslims whom Hannah could trust not to hand her back to her abusive family to be destroyed.

I advise that all the reports concerning this case in Switzerland, of the brutal murder of Svera R. by her Muslim parents, a murder motivated not merely by her perceived rebellion but by her liaison with a non-Muslim (who identifies himself as 'Christian'), in contravention of sharia, should be accurately translated from the original Swiss German into English, and communicated to the Governor of Ohio and to every other official Somebody who has anything at all to do with the case of Rifqa Bary.

The story of Hannah Shah, UK ex-Muslim, might also be told to the Governor of Ohio and to other persons in authority; focusing particularly on the fact that the first person assigned to Hannah's case when she first presented as a victim of abuse, was a Muslim who did not help her at all but rather, shopped her out to her father who beat her savagely and locked her in a cellar; and also highlighting the fact of her father's murderous response to the news, some years later, of her apostasy from Islam.

Somehow, authorities in non-Muslim countries have got to get it through their heads that when girls like Svera or Hannah or Rifqa Bary flee their Muslim families and sing out for help, they are generally in real and present danger; indeed, the very act of their fleeing, telling others - especially non-Muslim others - about the abuse, and asking for help, makes the families even more murderously angry, because the girls have refused to abide by the rules of the shame/ honor culture (that is, the rule that if you are abused you must cover it up, submit, and suffer in silence, protecting the 'honor' of your abuser/s).

The authorities have to grasp, too, that something as apparently trivial as a girl's refusing to wear the hijab or Slave Hood, can get her killed...Aqsa Parvez didn't want to wear the scarf, so her father strangled her.

If, then, on top of such 'westernisation', the girl has shown interest in a non-Muslim boy or man (Amina and Sarah Said had non-Muslim boy friends at school and were probably killed for that; Svera was openly in love, indeed living with, a Swiss boy who identifies as a Christian), and/ or (like Rifqa Bary and Hannah Shah) publicly apostasises, then that girl really *is* in trouble with the Mohammedan Mob, and likely has a death sentence hanging over her head.

At any available opportunity Muslims accuse the West of racism. It's a textbook defence.

I'd say ultimate bigotry and racist hate crime is the killing of a daughter merely because she associates out of the faith/race.

That this is the norm in Pakistan is abhorrent, that this is going on within the places they migrate to, completely unacceptable.

They either conform to basic standards of human behaviour, or at the first sign of deviating, we deport them is the answer.

Why the double standard?

Moral equivalency, by allowing our cultural norm to be subverted, is now aiding and abetting murder, mayhem and the destruction of our Judeo/Christian bedrock.

Sure we'll hear the old trotted out saw, 'to kill one person is to kill mankind', but show me the evidence.

The evidence is on these pages day after sickening day, carnage, slaughter and a complete disregard for human life.

Whether in Pakistan, Iraq, Afghanistan or anywhere where Islam rules its always the same. The bulk of victims are Muslims themselves in the hundreds of thousands, yet where's the outrage?

The outrage is reserved for the West where a few pictures or words result in conflagration and wailing.

And the core of the wailing? Racism. Islamophobia. Disrespect. And this coming from a creed which will kill its own if the victim so much as steps outside the hallowed circle of faith and race.

The mind reels.

Why are we debating fine points when the issue is so clear? There is a simple solution; take the children into care in order to give them a chance of leading a fulfilling life, and deport these disgusting excuses for parents to their camel dung sheikdoms.
End of problem.

Kim asked the best question of all:

"Why are these barbarians in Switzerland?"

So tragic--but this is what we get when we allow muslims in; THEIR problems become OUR problems. All this comes at a societal-cost that should NOT be ours to bear! It's a grim inheritance that has no place in any civilized society.

There's an easy answer:

STOP MUSLIM IMMIGRATION TO THE WEST NOW!

When they do these things in their own islamic hellholes, that's tragic indeed, but that's how they live (and die) and it's their affair. When they bring their barbarism to our contries it becomes OUR affair. Who needs it?

In Al UK a girl went to the police repeatedly to plead for protection from her father(and family)but they did nothing for fear of underming an illusory 'social cohesion' and a madly muddled respect for ancestral culture. Her body was later found in a suitacase. The community was 'shocked'.
Because Islam inculcates that its followers are mere 'slaves' this moral disenfranchisement robs human life as deserving of intrinsic and inviolable respect and diginity, and facilitates Islam vaunting itself as much for its militant and territorial prowess, as for its devotional piety -that is, if the two are separate.

Hi Jo,

The irony in the mahounds' woman-hating behavior is that it's rooted in FEAR! These "tough-guy" muslims are in reality so emotionally fragile, with a (seemingly) inborn sense, deep-down, of their own inferiority, that the only way they can KEEP women in their lives is to SUBDUE & CONTROL them. The notion of free women, able to choose their men for themselves, scares the camel-dung out of them! And for good reason--what woman in her right-mind, and with a choice, would want them?

That's just ONE symptom they bring to the table. So, my bottom-line remains: muslims are NOT FIT to live in otherwise civilized societies. They're not wanted or needed here.
Let them be barbaric in their own barbaric countries. Let's see how they survive by THEIR OWN devices, not by abusing and polluting ours...

Jorge

A rather horrid story was just published in Jerusalem Post: 'Cases of sexual assault by relatives surfacing in Gaza".

http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=175985

Now, it was very obviously written up by its Muslim author - one Omar Ghraeib, of 'the media line' - as agitprop aimed at Da Jooz and Da Occupation. The reader is supposed to conclude that if there was no 'siege' (sic) then none of this stuff would be happening.

But if one ignores the 'framing' and focuses on the two specific cases embedded in the story, one draws rather different sorts of conclusions. One begins to suspect that something in Islamic 'culture' enables and even *fosters* this kind of atrocious behaviour.

Especially if one has a good memory, and can remember that not too long ago in Canada a Pakistani Muslim father was discovered to have been regularly sodomising his teenage daughter; and that Hannah Shah, whom I have already mentioned, 'The Imam's Daughter', born and bred in a Pakistani (Pakistani, not Arab) Muslim ghetto in the UK, was raped regularly by her father from when she was about six years old, until the time when, as a teenager, she managed to escape; and that within Israel, an Arab Muslim mother murdered her teenage daughter to erase the family dishonour caused by the girl's having been raped and impregnated by her own brothers. Or if one remembers what Wafa Sultan has reported in 'A God Who Hates'.

I haven't yet got my own copy of 'A God Who Hates', but our own 'Cornelius' at this forum has read it, and this is one passage from that book which he has quoted here. In that passage, Ms Sultan describes her experiences while practising as a doctor in overwhelmingly-Muslim Syria:

"Although sexual assault was widespread in the area, it was well protected from the view of others.

"By showing my sympathy for the women, I [Wafa Sultan] was able to win their confidence, and they told me secrets of a kind they usually took to the grave.

"Many had been raped *and most of these rape victims had fallen prey to male members of their own family, usually their own fathers* {my emphasis - dda}.

"Unmarried women who became pregnant as a result of these rapes were murdered as soon as their condition was discovered to wash away the disgrace and keep the scandal hidden.
"'Often, the murderer was the rapist himself."

Seems that the E. S. and S. G. who tell their stories in Omar Ghraeib's article, are lucky to be still alive.

The comments to the JPost article are interesting. One, obviously by a Muslim, tries to extend the blame-shifting, from the Jooz (who are the reporter's scapegoat of choice) to ..decadent American TV shows. But most of the other comments don't buy the reporter's attempt to absolve Gazan Arab Muslim daughter-raping and niece-raping men of all responsibility for their own depravity.

And there is one comment in particular, by 'Lee' who identifies him or herself as being from *Manchester* in the UK, that deserves to be cited here: "This is so upsetting...but this is Islam: whether it be in Beirut, Damascus, Tehran, Cairo or Manchester.

'The BBC probably 'shield' the UK population from all these type of many stories, but we know the kind of sick things that go on in muslim households.

'*I have recently known of several equally horrifying stories just like this in and around where i live* {my emphasis - dda}.

'This is the 'religion of peace' in all its many facets. FACT."

Tucked away in the footnotes to this article - 'Boys of the Taliban' -

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.aspx?GUID=d51b2383-01a0-4896-b174-19f115ec0942

are two stark references to the abuse of girl-children within the Ummah.

'Author Nawal El Saadawi, gives an account of the horrifying and widespread sexual abuse of young girls in the Muslim-Arab world, a crime for which the perpetrators are exonerated - "The Hidden Face of Eve: Women in the Arab World" pp.12-24.

and the author of the article remarks also - "While it is obvious that this abuse [of girl-children], as with the abuse of young boys, is connected to the unavailability of women for men in the culture at large, Chesler notes that the widespread sexual abuse of female children in the Muslim world “is one of the main ways of traumatizing and shaming girls into obedience" - 'The Death of Feminism' - p.145.

Chesler's observation is supported by Hannah Shah's story; for in Hannah's case, the raping began *after* Hannah had challenged her father over his beatings of her mother, and was 'justified' by the father, as 'punishment' for Hannah's insubordination.

Eventually we Westerners will become desensitized to mozoids' violence towards their own. Their behaviour gives credence to some aspects of the classical theory of criminal justice. Early researchers in Italy believed that there was a "subhuman" type which was born a criminal. I think that we should all now just accept this theory and act accordingly. Our modern criminal justice "social contract" in civilized society demands that the majority be protected.

Shariah (Islamic) law excuses parents murdering their children for being apostate Muslims, which definition is left up to parents. It is codified in Shariah law. Islam is a self-perpetuating system of Muslim male supremacy and power.