A incident provoked by genocide-minded jihadists gains traction among those anxious to demonize Israel and see those jihadists as victims. "Mideast: Flotilla; Israel's Crimes Could Lead To War, Syria," from ANSAmed, May 31 (thanks to Insubria):
(ANSAmed) - BEIRUT, MAY 31 - In its first official statement on the Israeli attack on the humanitarian flotilla headed for Gaza, Syria called the operation a "barbaric" move. Quoted by Lebanese press agency Nna, President Bashar al Assad and Lebanese Premier Saad Hariri harshly condemned the "crime committed by Israel with this barbaric attack on defenceless civilians". The joint statement quoted by Nna continues that Syria and Lebanon "invite the international community to take measures as soon as possible to end Israel's crimes, which could lead to war in the Middle East with repercussions far beyond the regional borders".(ANSAmed).
Syria and Lebanon "invite the international community to take measures as soon as possible to end Israel's crimes, which could lead to war in the Middle East with repercussions far beyond the regional borders"
Of course they do, they need all the help they can get...Israel already told Syria in no uncertain terms what would happen if Hezbollah fired any scuds into Israel...They are issuing this invitation because they want Mom to protect them...
They always say it , so why not ....
" I hope there's no backlash against the Israelis "
We will NEVER hear the end of this .
compare with ...........
Anyone remember the 90 or so people killed in pakistan last week when they stormed the mosque ?
I don't even remember seeing that on the uk tv news -if it was , it was only brief and there's been no follow up
I expected absolutely nothing else. This was a setup from the start. What would you do if you as a soldier had hordes of people trying to beat you to death ? Whilst at the same time they take your gun off you and in some cases succeed. Then we have the leader of HAMAS of all people decrying barbarism and terrorism and everything else. The West had better wake up very soon.
" I hope there's no backlash against the Israelis "
Israel could issue a statement that wishes good will to all men, and further state that strawberry ice cream is good, and they would suffer a backlash...
veteranoutrage
Sorry but barbaric?
Islam is BARBARIC
BEHEADING PEOPLE IS BARBARIC
Raping Women for refusing Islam is BARABRIC
Defending ones self AGAINST the islamic whordes
is perfectly reasonable and allowed..
I will support Israel against all her Islamic Tryant enemies..
veteranoutrage
Syria, Lebanon and all other islamists can send me all the "invitations" they want. They can tell all the lies they want. It won't make a bit of difference.
As a Christian, I will continue to stand alongside Israel and Jews all over the world.
I can swear that I am stuck in bizzaro's world. Right is wrong. Wrong is right. Muslims are victims. Real victims are offenders(eg. Jews). PC MC is right. Events in the actual world is wrong. Islam means peace. Geert Wilders is a hate monger. The WTC is done by a few Tiny Extremists. The 'moderate' muslims represent the vast majority. The president is sanctioning our biggest ally Israel. The president is looking at Gaza as our parners in peace. The US is looking to finance pakistan with more dollars. Pakistan is looking at the US as jizya-paying infidels. Illegal aliens are the real victims. The law just passed in Arizona is likened to KKK., etc. etc. etc.
check this out IDF got beaten. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYjkLUcbJWo
The Israelis have been suckered by a simple publicity stunt. This is the sort of thing the British learnt to deal with 200 years ago... don't make martyrs out of bloodthirsty ogres.
funny how we call all look at this incident and see it one way while others, like The Huffington Post will see it another way.One important fact to remember this Memorial Day in 2010 is that while we honor our dead and wounded in this increasingly hopeless war on terror we continue to fund BOTH SIDES of this conflict, bleeding to death both physically and financially in our vain attempt to remain politically correct in this conflict that we can never win, but we can most certainly lose, for we are The Saps of The New World Order:
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Presidential Determination No. 2009-15 of January 27, 2009
Unexpected Urgent Refugee and Migration Needs Related To Gaza
Memorandum for the Secretary of State
By the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, including section 2(c)(1) of the Migration and Refugee Assistance Act of 1962 (the ``Act''), as amended (22 U.S.C. 2601), I hereby determine, pursuant to section 2(c)(1) of the Act, that it is important to the national interest to furnish assistance under the Act in an amount not to exceed $20.3 million from the United States Emergency Refugee and Migration Assistance Fund for the purpose of meeting unexpected and urgent refugee and migration needs, including by contributions to international, governmental, and nongovernmental organizations and payment of administrative expenses of Bureau of Population, Refugees, and Migration of the Department of State, related to humanitarian needs of Palestinian refugees and conflict victims in Gaza.
You are authorized and directed to publish this memorandum in the Federal Register.
(Presidential Sig.)
THE WHITE HOUSE,
Washington, January 27, 2009
[FR Doc. E9-2488
Filed 2-3-09; 8:45 am]
Billing code 4710-10-P
funny how we call all look at this incident and see it one way while others, like The Huffington Post will see it another way.One important fact to remember this Memorial Day in 2010 is that while we honor our dead and wounded in this increasingly hopeless war on terror we continue to fund BOTH SIDES of this conflict, bleeding to death both physically and financially in our vain attempt to remain politically correct in this conflict that we can never win, but we can most certainly lose, for we have now become : The Saps of The New World Order:
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Presidential Determination No. 2009-15 of January 27, 2009
Unexpected Urgent Refugee and Migration Needs Related To Gaza
Memorandum for the Secretary of State
By the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, including section 2(c)(1) of the Migration and Refugee Assistance Act of 1962 (the ``Act''), as amended (22 U.S.C. 2601), I hereby determine, pursuant to section 2(c)(1) of the Act, that it is important to the national interest to furnish assistance under the Act in an amount not to exceed $20.3 million from the United States Emergency Refugee and Migration Assistance Fund for the purpose of meeting unexpected and urgent refugee and migration needs, including by contributions to international, governmental, and nongovernmental organizations and payment of administrative expenses of Bureau of Population, Refugees, and Migration of the Department of State, related to humanitarian needs of Palestinian refugees and conflict victims in Gaza.
You are authorized and directed to publish this memorandum in the Federal Register.
(Presidential Sig.)
THE WHITE HOUSE,
Washington, January 27, 2009
[FR Doc. E9-2488
Filed 2-3-09; 8:45 am]
Billing code 4710-10-P
In its first official statement on the Israeli attack on the humanitarian flotilla headed for Gaza, Syria called the operation a "barbaric" move."
Is this Alawite-ruled Syria, where when the Sunni Muslims dare to revolt against Alawite rule, they are mowed down by the tens of thousands as at Hama? Are we expected to forget how Hafez al-Assad's officers told their troops they were to kill anyone who shouted "Allahu Akbar"? Does Bashir al-Assad think we in the outside world, or those in the Ikhwan which was chastened for several decades but is now coming back to life, have forgotten all this?
And is this the same Alawite-ruled Syria that shoots down or hangs,without further ado, dozens of Kurds in eastern Syria? The same Syria that blows up Gassam Tueni and dozens of other Lebanese leaders brave enough to oppose them?
That Syria?
Anyone who thinks this is a political conflict, and not a Muslim religious issue, is not seeing reality. The Jews ("apes and pigs" as per the Qu'ran) must be returned to Dhiimi status or else the Qu'ran is a lie. "Islam must dominate."
These Al-Taqiyya Cruse ships must be sent back. Israel must act against the clever deception of the Flotilla-al-Taqiyya Cruse Line and demand that the Turkey CEO of the Curise Line remove Israel and Gaza as cruise stops.
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This conflict will never be resolved politically. The Arab Muslim dream is to do in Israel what Arab Muslims, and later Turk Muslims, did in India during their invasions of Hindu India. That kind of blood-party is the Muslim goal re Israel (especially for Arab Muslims).
This is not a political conflict where sweet reason and a little horse trading might possibly prevail. Force will decide how this conflict ends.
That's reality.
Supporters of this flotilla include Obama's pals Bernadine Dohrn, her terrorist husband Bill Ayers, and Code Pinko Jodie Evans, who also bundles campaign donations for Obama. Or is it Osama?
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funny how we call all look at this incident and see it one way while others, like The Huffington Post will see it another way.
Note to tsweeny: This is not "funny," but alarmingly ill-informed and dhimmified.
Medina,
you are correct. I didn't mean Ha-Ha funny, I was being cynical it's my black Irish humor you know.
That boat was under a turkish flag, and unless turkish law has no reasonable force self-defense laws, even those guys who where jumping at the soldiers with ores where basically acting completely legally to board what was after all an illegal boarding.
http://bennyhillifier.com/?id=gYjkLUcbJWo
The attack occured some 100 kilometers from Israel's juisdiction. Since the boarding by the IDF was illegal, then there is no ground on which to condem the flotilla passenger for defending themselves.
So the "special" in special forces means they're a bunch of retards? Who the hell ropes down in to the middle of an angry mob anyway?
In the name of what principle did Israël gave itself the right to patrol, board and use lethal force on ships anywhere in the mediterranean sea? Why couldnt they wait for the flotilla to reach its borders?
here is the live action when the IDF soldiers rappelled down to the ship.
http://www.youtube.com/user/idfnadesk
again, who the hell ropes down in to the middle of an angry mob anyway?
Jonathan,
the authority used by the Israelis would seem to be the one used by the United States Coast Guard or any other recognized nation to board and inspect ships suspected of carrying illegal cargo or engaging in illegal trade.
Israel has established an orderly, efficient method for supplying humanitarian relief to the denizens of Gaza. She is under no obligation to allow criminals and members of terrorist organizations to enter her territory at will.
Israel should inspect and salvage the cargo, reserving whatever is legally appropriate for humanitarian relief, and then sink the ships in deep water where they cannot be re-floated or become a hazard to maritime traffic.
Following the recent conviction in Europe of a Soviet partisan from World War Two for burning an innocent pregnant woman alive, the conviction of Josef Stalin for the Holodomor in Ukraine, Nick Cohen admitting the Iraq War was for the benefit of anti-Christian communists in Iraq, and the recognition of the Goldstone Report by the E.U., as a Christian I can no longer support the state of Israel. This was the last straw.
Give us our own Christian state because there is no more sympathy for the Jewish state. I support the Palestinian cause; I've seen the light.
Jonathan,
you've fallen for the pali-propaganda hook, line & sinker, haven't you?
What do the actions of a Soviet partisan, Stalin's starvation of large numbers of people, or Nick Cohen have to do with Israel? Last time I checked, Soviet partisans were rarely (if ever) Jewish, Stalin wasn't a Jew, and Nick Cohen is just a reporter from the UK, so saying he "admits" anything about the Iraq War is nonsensical.
As far as the EU recognizing the Goldstone Report goes, I assume you are only referring to those portions that are critical of Israel. That just proves they are as easily duped as you are.
But you go right ahead and set up a Christian state in Muslim territory, Jonathan. Let us know how that pans out for you. ;)
Annie Oakley,
I would wholeheartedly agree with you, if Israel would acted within the legal boundaries of her territorial waters.
The laughable incompetence of the IDF special forces, which exposed them to the reprisal of an untrained and lightly armed crew, which consequently forced them to resort to lethal force, isnt legaly justifiable when it occure 100 km from their own borders. Israel' sovreignty doesnt extend to half the mediterranean sea, especialy when it is invoked in the name of an arguably ilegitimate blocus.
Jonathan,
again, the authority used by the US to board and inspect ships at sea is the same that applies to any other nation, Israel included. The equivalent on land is "probable cause" used by police to stop, interrogate and perhaps search/impound drivers of vehicles or others suspected of illegal activity.
The keyword here is "illegal". The people in this floating charade were engaged in blockade running, and perhaps smuggling of contraband items or persons. They had been warned that what they were attempting to do was unlawful.
Why do you find this so hard to understand?
Who ever is running Israel's military operations needs to be fired. They had to know they were being provoked. If they really wanted to make a point to Turkey and rest of the Muslim countries they would have used subs to quietly torpedo a couple of those boats and then claimed they were no where near them and it must have been a terrorist planted bomb. When dealing with the devil you must think like the devil if you want to win. This is something the west has been too slow to pick up on.
"Jonathan,
again, the authority used by the US to board and inspect ships at sea is the same that applies to any other nation, Israel included. The equivalent on land is "probable cause" used by police to stop, interrogate and perhaps search/impound drivers of vehicles or others suspected of illegal activity.
The keyword here is "illegal". The people in this floating charade were engaged in blockade running, and perhaps smuggling of contraband items or persons. They had been warned that what they were attempting to do was unlawful.
Why do you find this so hard to understand?"
Oh God Mother Christ.
Why is it so hard to understand that probable cause isnt enough for cops to arrest, search and use lethal force on people 100 kilometers aways from the jurisdiction from which they derive their autority to act.
If you want to bring up the United States as an exemple of comparison, fine by me.
US forces [during the Cuban missile crisis] boarded in daylight and unarmed(1), performed the search and, after determining that the cargo was not of a military nature, allowed the ship to proceed to its destination. They didn't attempt to confiscate contraband cargo or commandeer any of the vessels involved; their ROE said that if they found a ship loaded with honest-to-God weapons of mass destruction they were supposed to merely turn it back and deny it entry to the contested area(2). They were authorized to use their weapons to enforce compliance (e.g. cripple any blockade-runners), but my (limited) research indicates that they only did so once, and that was against an actual warship (a submarine).
This occurred in the context of a credible existential threat to the USA.
You've got to admit that the contrast makes Israel's actions look much worse.
1- http://www.battleshipcove.org/news-boarding-marucla.htm
2- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Leary_(DD-879)#Cuban_Missile_Crisis
Following on from Hugh Fitzgerald's posting, above, about Syria: a fascinating article on the topic of Islamic Syria, and the kind of society it is, written by a rather brave or foolish American Jew who chose - concealing his Jewish identity, of course - to go study Arabic **in Syria** recently.
http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm/blog_id/27775
It appeared at the New English Review.
I recommend it.
Here is a sample, to get you interested. He describes the way in which the Syrian Arab Muslims treat the Kurdish Muslims.
"I had some very close Kurdish friends who strongly identified with Israel, even the settler movement which I do not identify with, and despised the Syrian state.
"During Eid Al-Nourouz, a large holiday celebrated by Kurds, Syrian police officers gunned down a Kurdish crowd in Raqa, killing two and sending 40 to the hospital where they were detained and kept away from the public.
"This did not make news in Syria or the West, but on the same day Israel had killed two infiltrators from Gaza, making international headlines.
" What surprised me the most was how appallingly the Syrian government treated the Kurds - with what I would consider murder, torture and ethnic cleansing.
"One example of their oppression is the prohibition against instructing and writing the Kurdish language and promoting Kurdish culture. In many parts of Kurdish Syria, Arabs are forcibly moved into Kurdish towns and the towns are then given an Arabic name."
Read it all. It's worth it.
I will also remind people that the apostate from Islam, Wafa Sultan, author of the book "A God Who Hates", is...from Syria.
Her book, also, is a way into understanding Arabised Islam-maddened Syria.
A review of Wafa Sultan's book on Islam, and of Nonie Darwish's book on Sharia.
http://frontpagemag.com/2010/02/03/sharia’s-dominion/
From that review, these paragraphs, on Sultan's book:
"Sultan emphasizes the fear inherent in Islam, where the Koran’s 99 attributes of God include “The Harmer,” “The Compeller,” “The Imperious,” “The Humiliator,” and “The Bringer of Death.” She traces this to the dangerous environment of the Arabian desert, in which life was fragile and unpredictable, heightening people’s fear of the unknown. She also emphasizes the traditional Bedouin practice of raiding; Bedouins feared raids, yet relied on them for their own survival.
"Muslims today, too, are governed by the philosophy of raiding, she suggests.
"She describes an incident soon after she arrived in the United States, in which an Arab [Muslim - dda] neighbor took her to the supermarket:
QUOTE - 'We went into a Vons market and, once there, she began to open every packet she could, then she began to make holes in the lids of cartons of milk, Jell-O, and cream. Then she made holes in a number of bags of potato chips, packets of paper handkerchiefs, and packets of spaghetti.
I shouted at her disapprovingly: “Dina, what are you doing?”
“May God curse them. They stole our land!”
“And are you doing this to try to get it back?”
“I’m trying to hurt them! You’re still new here. Don’t you know the owner’s Jewish?” - UNQUOTE
"**This hatred of Jews is not peripheral or dependent on Israel or Israeli behavior.** {my emphasis - dda}
"Rather, it is deeply rooted in Islam, which divides the world into two parts, Muslim and non-Muslim.
"As Sultan recalls from her own childhood:
QUOTE - “Jew must be one of the words Muslim children hear most frequently before the age of ten.
"It is also one of the hardest words they hear, as in their imagination it conjures up visions of killing, depravity, lies, and corruption. When one person wishes to express his disdain for another, he will call him a Jew.” - UNQUOTE {And one may note that William Lane, in early 19th century Egypt, observed Muslims there doing exactly the same thing - using the word 'Jew' as the ultimate insult - dda}.
'With some humor, Sultan describes how, early on, she bolted out of a shoe shop in Hollywood, one foot bare, upon discovering that the shop assistant was an Israeli Jew.
'”We imbibed with our mother’s milk hatred for the Jews,” she writes, “and for anyone who supported their cause. We justified this hatred by devising a conspiracy theory, and we called anyone who disagreed with us a Zionist agent. This conspiracy theory helped keep Muslims inside the straitjacket in which Islam had imprisoned their minds.”'
Jonathan,
I see you rely on Wikipedia to bolster your argument, LMAO!!! Wikipedia is the biggest collection of lies on the internet! What other fairy tales do you subscribe to?
You don't agree that Hamas and other terrorist groups present a "credible existential threat" to Israel? These same groups who have made it their official policy to wipe the nation of Israel off the map, and believe their religion requires them to kill all Jews?
The only reason Israel's actions look worse (in the eyes of biased viewers such as yourself) than any other nation who interrupts criminal activity on the high seas is due to media bias, inaccurate reporting & willful pandering to islamists.
BTW, a cop (or a soldier or citizen) IS justified in using lethal force to defend against someone who attacks them with a club because clubs are lethal weapons. So are knives. Also, a cop may very well have "a duty to act" whether they are in their home jurisdiction or not.
You've begun to ignore everything I posted, only to focus on points that have nothing to do with the discussion (Hamas) or points that I have proven to be false vnd irrelevant (cops using lethal force, or any autority at all, outside their national jurisdiction).
If you dont understand why a cop or a soldier cannot act outside of its own jurisdiction, then it is clear why you are misguided: you're simply ignorant on the issue.
Finaly, you might be interested in looking up the sources cited by the the wiki article I posted: its the Naval Historical Center of the Departement of the Navy, a popular collection of fairy tales by all accounts.
Have a good day. =]