Adam Serwer: Another Leftist journalist enables Islamic supremacism

Like a punch-drunk fighter dragging himself up off the canvas after yet another knockdown, Adam Serwer, Leftist blogger for the American Prospect, is back for more after this -- and once again provides a useful illustration of how the Left and their Islamic supremacist allies argue, or rather, evade argument. True to form for the Left, all Serwer has to dish out here is a repulsive stew of lies, smears, and juvenile twittery. Once again a Leftist jihad enabler fails abysmally to compete on the level of the evidence. "Spencer's (Still) Tenuous Evidence," by Adam Serwer in the American Prospect, June 14 (thanks to James):

Robert Spencer, the professional anti-Muslim activist who has been working to oppose the construction of an Islamic center near Ground Zero and a Mosque in Staten Island, takes issue with several of the claims I made in my post last week.

The term "anti-Muslim" is used to imply that I am "against" a group of people, personally, rather than against a supremacist and oppressive ideology. But in fact, oppression is oppression, no matter who is oppressed, or how much they love that oppression. I don't subscribe to Wilsonian pipe dreams of bringing democracy to the benighted masses, and in reality there is little one can or should do for the oppressed if they do indeed love their oppression and wish to remain under its boot, but the fact remains that I am not "anti-Muslim." Some years ago here at Jihad Watch I had an exchange with an English convert to Islam. I said: "I would like nothing better than a flowering, a renaissance, in the Muslim world, including full equality of rights for women and non-Muslims in Islamic societies: freedom of conscience, equality in laws regarding legal testimony, equal employment opportunities, etc." Is all that "anti-Muslim"? My correspondent thought so. He responded: "So, you would like to see us ditch much of our religion and, thereby, become non-Muslims."

In other words, he saw a call for equality of rights for women and non-Muslims in Islamic societies, including freedom of conscience, equality in laws regarding legal testimony, and equal employment opportunities, as a challenge to his religion. To the extent that they are, these facts have to be confronted by both Muslims and non-Muslims. But it is not "anti-Muslim" to wish freedom of conscience and equality of rights on the Islamic world -- quite the contrary.

Anyway, Adam Serwer careens from this smear straight into some more:

I'll just start with the easiest claim Spencer disputes, that his colleague Pamela Geller -- who recently had the Paypal links on her site removed because the company started to view her site's hysterical Islamophobic content as hate speech...

Actually, Paypal reversed this outrageous decision. One would think, parenthetically, that if Adam Serwer had an ounce of foresight or capacity for reflection, he would realize that if businesses start refusing business to people on the basis of their political views, he could be next. What Paypal tried to do to SIOA, FDI and Pamela Geller could be done to him someday, should the political winds shift. Maybe he assumes that the political winds won't shift -- and indeed, even if they do, conservatives aren't going to move to marginalize and silence him the way Leftists, who have always manifested a taste for authoritarianism when in power, try to do to conservatives.

But it's more likely that he simply hasn't considered the implications of Paypal's attempt at politically manipulative mercantile thuggery. His side is winning, and that's all he cares about.

Then Serwer drags out the old Pamela Geller/Malcolm X canard again, brushing aside her explanation of why she ran that post and attempting to tar Geller with it in a rather spectacularly inept manner, culminating with "Geller is a birther, which for some reason doesn't bother Spencer either. Then again, Spencer and Geller have trouble finding friends at CPAC so maybe he's just not very choosy."

Coming from a man who identifies himself as "a Jew, the child of a white man and a black woman," who despite his Jewish self-identification has no trouble befriending Jew-hating members of the Muslim Brotherhood and retailing their deceptions uncritically, the bit about not being choosy about friends is rich. But it is ultimately just a juvenile jape, devoid of substance. CPAC, as Pamela explained here, is tied to Grover Norquist, a friend of Islamic supremacists who seems to have made sure the conference will not deal honestly with jihad-related issues. I will shed no tears for not having "friends" among Norquist and his ilk.

In any case, Serwer and his ilk would define Pamela Geller -- and me by association -- entirely according to the material they find most absurd or objectionable according to their own canons. If they weren't so utterly devoid of a moral compass when it comes to Islamic supremacism, and so hospitable to violent intimidation in connection with it, their dismissal of the entire corpus of her work based on a few misrepresented posts might be more plausible.

Spencer also claims that the link he posted to an Investigator Project on Terrorism report on the Muslim American Society works.

Someone should tell the ace journalist that he is referring to the "Investigative," not the "Investigator," Project on Terrorism.

(On Friday, I erroneously attributed the report to Spencer, it is a product of the IPT.) It does now. It didn't on Friday, and since I figured that Spencer was the type of person who would retroactively fix the link and then claim nothing had been wrong in order to cast doubt on my honesty, I saved a screenshot of the link not working...I actually think this tells you just about everything you need to know about Spencer, frankly.

Actually, it tells you everything you need to know about Serwer: that he is a dishonest, juvenile twit. Did I actually "retroactively fix the link and then claim nothing had been wrong in order to cast doubt on my honesty"? No. What I wrote in my initial post about Serwer about the broken link was this, in its entirety: "The link is in this post. It does work. Here it is again."

Anything in there about claiming the link always worked, or that Serwer was lying about it? Nope. Not a syllable. In fact, the link was broken at one point; a reader notified me of that fact, and I fixed it. Later, when I saw Serwer's report, I didn't think it necessary to try the reader's patience with a tedious and tangential explanation of a broken link and how it was fixed. Instead, I just provided the correct link, and moved on -- and Adam Serwer uses this to accuse me of accusing him of dishonesty.

Well, I wasn't then. I am now.

As far as the Muslim American Society is concerned, some of Spencer's claims are substantiated, although they don't prove what he seems to think they prove. Having read the Investigative Project on Terrorism report and the 2004 Chicago Tribune article to which Spencer links, it's clear that some of MAS' founding members were part of the Muslim Brotherhood. The former Secretary General of MAS, Shaker Elsayed, claimed at the time that the group had distanced itself from the Brotherhood, although a Brotherhood official in Cairo is quoted as saying this was done for political reasons. MAS today maintains that "MAS has no affiliation with the Ikhwan al Muslimoon (Muslim Brotherhood or the Ikhwan) or with any other international organization," which is exactly what I was told on Friday.

The Brotherhood itself, as I pointed out in this post, carries the link to the 2004 Chicago Tribune expose on its site -- that is, the Brotherhood itself now posts the story in which the Muslim American Society is identified as the principal American arm of the Brotherhood. Serwer even adds that a Brotherhood official in Cairo says that the Muslim American Society distances itself from the Brotherhood publicly for "political reasons." But he still rejects any link between the MAS and the Ikhwan -- and why? Because the MAS told him there wasn't one!

The tough, hard-nosed journalist really dug for the truth on that one.

And his naivete continues: "Hamas is a branch of the Muslim Brotherhood, but so is the Islamic Movement in Israel, which has representation in the Knesset." Oh, well, then! They must be benign! Then about the evidence regarding Mahdi Bray's support for Hamas and Hizballah, Serwer says:

Other contemporaneous accounts Spencer cites of protests Bray attended, as well as excerpts from MAS publications and statements by MAS officials cited in the IPT report, show that some members of the organization hold anti-Semitic beliefs. Excerpts cited in the IPT report from MAS' publication, The American Muslim, vacillate between clear condemnations of terrorism and sympathy for groups like Hamas, legitimate critiques of U.S. policy and paranoid screeds. None of this proves MAS is actually tied to terrorists or intends to implement Taliban-style Sharia in the U.S., and neither the IPT report nor Spencer substantiate that claim. This stuff is troubling, but it's not criminal. Lucky for Spencer, holding tremendously ugly beliefs in this country is not a crime -- although Spencer would like to make it so, on the grounds that if we don't American Muslims will.

So apparently Serwer is granting that the MAS holds "tremendously ugly beliefs," including support for genocidal Jew-haters, and yet he is willing to take at face value their statements about not being affiliated with the Brotherhood. All right.

But as for his charge that I would like to make it a "crime" to hold "tremendously ugly beliefs in this country," it is, like so much of what he claims, utterly false. I have no interest in criminalizing Adam Serwer's beliefs. In reality, I'd be satisfied with the enforcement of existing laws. Section 2385 of the federal criminal code states that "whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government...shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction."

If this already existing law -- revised as of January 2, 2006 -- were applied to Islamic groups in the United States that are working to advance the scope of Sharia here, the stealth jihad could be stopped in its tracks. The clause "by force or violence" may appear to be an impediment to this, and that is a matter for legal scholars to study in light of the fact that Sharia denies the freedom of speech, the freedom of conscience, and the equality of rights before the law of women and non-Muslims. Clearly the advance of such a legal framework in the U.S. is at odds with Constitutional principles and freedoms, and that will have to be addressed sooner or later.

Serwer, of course, will not be the one addressing them. Rather, he goes on to smear me and other anti-jihadists with the increasingly common "Muslims are the new Jews" theme, which carries with it the ugly implication that anti-jihadists must harbor dreams of genocide:

What's interesting though, is that remarks about "Zionist" conspiracies cited by the IPT report so closely resemble those of Spencer and his colleagues, who warn of "the Muslim Brotherhood's infiltration at the highest levels of the U.S. government." Spencer probably shouldn't be getting too huffy about instances of bigotry at angry protests either. Needless to say if Spencer wanted to buy a piece of land and build a church there, I'd defend his right to do so.

There's only one problem with this comparison: the "Zionist" conspiracies were fictional, while it is demonstrably true that the Muslim Brotherhood has infiltrated at high levels. See, for example, these accounts by intelligence insiders. Journalist Paul Sperry notes that Islamic supremacists have "infiltrated every security agency from the FBI to the Pentagon to the prison system, which is the top recruiting ground for al-Qaida right now, and they've also worked their way into the public school system." And see these statements of intent:

"We reject the U.N., reject America, reject all law and order. Don't lobby Congress or protest because we don't recognize Congress. The only relationship you should have with America is to topple it. . . . Eventually there will be a Muslim in the White House dictating the laws of Shariah." -- Muhammad Faheed, Muslim Students Association meeting, Queensborough Community College, 2003

"Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth." -- CAIR cofounder and longtime Board chairman Omar Ahmad, 1998 (denial noted and full story explained at link)

"I wouldn't want to create the impression that I wouldn't like the government of the United States to be Islamic sometime in the future." -- CAIR spokesman Ibrahim Hooper, 1993

"If only Muslims were clever politically, they could take over the United States and replace its constitutional government with a caliphate." -- prominent American Muslim leader Siraj Wahhaj, 2002

By contrast, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion was a forgery, and there was no factual basis for all the conspiracy theories about Zionists scheming to control the world, any more than there is today.

And as for "instances of bigotry at angry protests," Serwer links to one of his earlier blog posts in which he smears the June 6 SIOA freedom rally against the Islamic supremacist mega-mosque at Ground Zero on the basis of a misunderstanding between a Coptic Christian and some others at the rally. He ignores (of course) the statement in complete support of the rally and its goal by that Coptic Christian, Joseph Nassralla.

Serwer then claims that I have "absolutely no evidence" for asserting that the Ground Zero Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf's father was involved with the Muslim Brotherhood, and adds that "the claim that Rauf is connected to terrorism because his father was hypothetically a member of an Islamist organization is itself pernicious."

Of course, I never claimed that "Rauf is connected to terrorism because his father was hypothetically a member of an Islamist organization," but where in any of this have we seen Adam Serwer interested in honest reporting? In reality, I mentioned Rauf's father's link to the Brotherhood in response to a question about his father that was put to me by Sean Hannity on his show. In everything I've written about the Islamic supremacist mega-mosque, I've never drawn any conclusions from that link at all, or even mentioned it again. And in reality, I don't think that what his father was or wasn't necessarily has any bearing on what Feisal Abdul Rauf may be.

But was Rauf's father a Brotherhood member, or not? Serwer says that "Spencer has nothing on Rauf, or on Rauf's father, other than speculation. But he felt perfectly comfortable going on television and smearing the former as sympathetic to terrorism based on vague information he cannot confirm about the latter." He says this after rejecting the assertions made by journalist Alyssa Lappen here. He takes Rauf's word that his father was "giving lectures all over the world on the [Egyptian] government's dime," and therefore could not have been "fleeing the Egyptian government as a member of a banned organization."

On what basis does Serwer believe Rauf over Lappen? Only that he is more comfortable with Rauf's slickly packaged Islamic supremacism than with Lappen's advocacy for freedom, but consider this: Rauf has lied about his commitment to religious dialogue. He has lied about whether the Islamic center planned for the Ground Zero site will contain a mosque or not. And he has lied about whether or not the project is getting foreign funding. Caveat emptor.

Serwer is eagerly buying, of course, and smears Lappen in the process with a nifty bit of illogic: "As for Lappen, she writes that 'In short, Islam reveres death. Indeed, Islam orders its adherents to conduct jihad warfare, and promises paradise and 72 virgins to those who die in the service of Allah.' Right. Why bother trying to play six degrees of Sayyid Qutb if you ultimately believe all Muslims are terrorists anyway?"

Does Serwer not believe that "Islam reveres death"? He is probably unfamiliar with this Qur'anic verse: "Say (O Muhammad): O ye who are Jews! If ye claim that ye are favoured of Allah apart from (all) mankind, then long for death if ye are truthful" (62:6). Does he not believe that "Islam orders its adherents to conduct jihad warfare" and all the rest? He probably is also unfamiliar with the Qur'anic verse commanding Muslims to wage war against and subjugate Jews and Christians (9:29), and with the one promising Paradise (which is in the Qur'an indeed filled with those virgins) to those who "kill and are killed" for Allah (9:111).

But in any case, does the reality of such teachings mean that "all Muslims are terrorists"? Of course not. As I have pointed out ad infinitum, there is a spectrum of belief, knowledge and fervor among Muslims, as there is among any ideological group, religious or non-religious. Some take Islamic teaching very seriously, some don't, with every variation in between. Some are very knowledgeable about that teaching. Some aren't. I am not saying we can count on those who don't care to wage jihad against unbelievers to transform themselves into staunch allies of the U.S., but that doesn't mean they're all giving aid and comfort to Osama and company either. Some are merely indifferent to all this.

But in any case, Serwer manifests a consistent readiness to take the claims of Islamic supremacists at face value while regarding those of their opponents with extreme skepticism:

Spencer utilizes a rhetorical trope in which he pretends that his targets' plans for world domination have already been revealed, and everyone would know the truth if it weren't for the nation of millions holding him back. He writes that it is "known to be the position" of MAS to bring Sharia to the U.S. See if you can find that on their website.

Gosh, Adam, it ain't there! That must mean that the MAS is full of loyal Constitutionalists! Serwer is probably ignorant, of course, of the internal Muslim Brotherhood document naming the MAS as one of its allied organizations, and declaring that the Muslim Brothers "must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and 'sabotaging' its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and Allah's religion is made victorious over all other religions." -- Mohamed Akram, "An Explanatory Memorandum on the General Strategic Goal for the Group in North America," May 22, 1991, Government Exhibit 003-0085, U.S. vs. HLF, et al. P. 7 (21).

In that same fashion, he also says that Rauf is "an open proponent of Sharia," and that I "ignore" this. What Spencer means by "ignores" is "pick up the phone and ask him about it," and here is what Rauf said to me:
Rauf says that this is a "complete misunderstanding" and that what he meant was that the U.S. allows Muslims to freely meet their own religious obligations. "The thing that people mistake, is that we're trying to impose Sharia law in America, there are aspects of Sharia law that we are allowed to practice. Like Jews practice their dietary laws, we practice them without contradiction."

A "complete misunderstanding." All right. But Rauf is an open proponent of Sharia, and judging from his honesty on other issues (as explained above), perhaps Serwer will pardon me for not being as sanguine as he is about Rauf's truthfulness when he assures this naive and ignorant reporter that he doesn't want to bring Sharia to the U.S. After all, Rauf says that "what Muslims want is to ensure that their secular laws are not in conflict with the Quran or the Hadith, the sayings of Muhammad." For Muslims in the U.S., that will inevitably involve bringing Sharia here.

But Serwer has no clear idea of what that means anyway:

"Sharia" is Islamic law. In repressive societies like that of Afghanistan under the Taliban, it is indeed brutal and repressive. In say, Turkey, the legal structure is studiously secular, and Sharia only matters to the extent it governs the personal affairs of the religious. Islamophobes like Spencer have dutifully exploited the former incarnation because it allows them to fearmonger in free conscience, because he assumes and hopes that his audience understands and associates Sharia with Taliban style injustice and oppression. The Sharia of Rauf is not the Sharia of the Taliban, and Spencer conflates the two because it is the only way to justify interfering with Muslims' ability to build sites of worship where they please under the freedoms guaranteed to all Americans under the Constitution.

This paragraph is so staggeringly intellectually incoherent that it is hard to know where to begin. First Serwer notes that the Taliban adheres to Sharia while Turkey currently does not, and then says that "Islamophobes like Spencer have dutifully exploited the former incarnation" of Sharia, that is, that of the Taliban, "because it allows them to fearmonger in free conscience." But of course Turkish secularism is not an "incarnation" of the Sharia at all, but rather the absence of Sharia, so what it demonstrates about the nature of the Sharia itself is precisely nothing.

Nonetheless, apparently Serwer believes that the (increasingly tenuous) existence of Turkish secularism somehow demonstrates that "the Sharia of Rauf is not the Sharia of the Taliban," but he offers no actual evidence for that assertion at all. He does not produce, and cannot produce, any statement from Rauf condemning Sharia-mandated stoning, or amputation, or denial of women's rights, or the Sharia-mandated death penalty for apostates. He just takes for granted that Rauf's Sharia must differ from the Taliban's, because he likes Rauf and dislikes his opponents, and Adam Serwer knows that Adam Serwer is an enlightened, tolerant, progressive liberal, and so he can't possibly be putting himself into the position of being a shill for authoritarian oppressors, now, can he? Why, of course not!

But that is exactly what he is, and worse:

As for myself, I am a Jew, the child of a white man and a black woman. I am quite familiar with intolerance and what it looks like. In this instance, it looks like Robert Spencer, whose dark admiration for those he claims as enemies is expressed in the sincere flattery of imitation. Spencer doesn't simply reflect their conspiracy theories or their wish for a society in which equality under the law is abolished, he also clearly imagines himself some kind of martyr.

Look closely at what Adam Serwer is saying here. He is charging me with "imitation" of those whom I "claim as enemies." In other words, he is saying that in resisting Islamic supremacism and Sharia, and in fighting to defend the freedom of speech, the freedom of conscience, and equality of rights for women, I am the equivalent of mass murderers who glory in the deaths of innocents. This is a moral myopia of immense proportions and a monstrous defamation not just of me but of every anti-jihadist -- Pankaj Mishra does the same thing to Ayaan Hirsi Ali.

The point here is in no sense personal: I am not affected in the least by what Adam Serwer or anyone else says about me. The point is that we have grown accustomed to these casual exercises in moral equivalence, yet they are as abominable as it would have been in 1942 to equate Churchill with Hitler, or Roosevelt with Mussolini. Adam Serwer is writing in the service of people who would strip him of his rights at very least, and probably do far worse to him besides. The fact that he is serving as their useful tool will not make them go easier upon him in the end, and it should only sharpen the moral indignation that every American who reveres human rights should feel toward this collaborator with evil.

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Serwer's entire 'rebuttal' pretty much amounts to attacking a commenter's spelling in a forum debate.

It lacks any substance or factual challenges, but instead harps on broken links and mis-formulated opinions.

It's always nice to read RS's rebuttal to his critics. It shows as clearly as possible how the left omits facts then twists and misrepresents opposing viewpoints.

I'm convinced...Serwer's name is misspelled...take the 'R' out...'It's not what go's into a mans mouth that defiles him, but what comes out of it'...Sewer has defiled/soiled himself...Liberal/leftists should not smoke funny tobacco and think hard at the same time...
Sewer is like a DefenderofIslam who can spell...

The first victims of Islam were, and have always been, Muslims.

I don't hate individual Communists, but I will fight the imposition of Communism.

I don't hate individual Muslims, but I will fight the imposition of Sharia law and, by extension, Islam.

Figure it out, Mr. Serwer. Islam is to religion as a sociopath is to his victim.

If you read his bio on the site, Serwer went to the Columbia School of Journalism. And he's Jewish. But, like Noah Feldman, he defends Jew-hating Islam! Can please explain how that works?

You're right duh swami - take out the "r" in this Libtard's name and that's where his columns belong...

Clearly Mr. Spencer does not have enough confidence in his own work or he wouldn't respond to every bit of criticism leveled his way. His philosophy apparently is the best defense is a good offense. His words alone on this website apparently are not enough and needs an exclamation point with personal attacks on his critics.

Of course Mr. Spencer is anti-Muslim. His daily postings are rife with attacks on individuals. He excels in heaping ridicule on those people who dare to find positive aspects of Islam. So to argue that Mr. Spencer doesn't have anything against Muslims as people is silly.

Mr. Spencer often rants of libelbloggers who spread lies and smears about him and his sycophants. Yet self-examination of his own lies, libel and smears appear to be absent.

Anybody with experience in engaging in public discourse knows that when people can't come up with a solid, well-reasoned argument for their position on an issue they resort to name calling. Serwer is a "juvenile twit." Ibrahim Hooper is "Honest Ibe" and engages in "thuggery." I didn't notice Serwer engaging in juvenile name-calling, but why would he? The master in such school yard bully tactics is Mr. Spencer. And sir, that is your true scholarly credentials.

You spent a lot of time saying nothing. If Spencer did not respond to Serwer, you would say that Spencer is afraid to respond, or couldn't. He just dissected Serwer like a frog, in biology class.

And where are the smears and libels, that you write about ? Spencers article reads pretty clearly to me. And why do you have a problem with Spencer being sarcastic, when he writes about certain " less than honest ", people ?

I guess the truth must be too much for you to handle.


Robert,
The left are spewing all over the place. That is what they do!

Keep on keeping on and delete them from your mind. Keep up the fight Robert!

Good people know better so the little loons don't have a chance!

Rauf says that "what Muslims want is to ensure that their secular laws are not in conflict with the Quran or the Hadith, the sayings of Muhammad." For Muslims in the U.S., that will inevitably involve bringing Sharia here."

Possibly Serwer didn't understand that when Rauf says "their secular laws" he means the "secular laws" under which Muslims have to live in the United States (or anywhere in the West). He is saying this:

"Muslims want to ensure that the legal code, the laws, under which they live in the West are not in conflict with the Qur'an or the Hadith." And that means the Shari'a, which is the Holy Law of Islam, the codified embodiment of Qur'an and Sunnah (the Hadith being, along with the Sira, the written record of what constitutes the Sunnah).

This is a clear statement: Muslims are willing to obey the laws that do not conflict with the Sharia', but in the end will be, and should be, unwilling to obey, and will work to undo, all those laws, in this and other Western countries, that they regard as being in conflict with the Shari'a.

Among the provisions of the American Constitution that flatly contradict the Shari'a or Holy Law of Islam are many of the individual guarantees as to freedom of speech, and free exercise of (non-Muslim) religions, and the Establishment Clause (Islam should, according to the Shari'a, be the favored faith, with all others existing not by right but by Muslim sufferance), legal equality of the sexes, and Equal Protection of the Laws (through the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments).

Server clearly confuses the degrees of strictness of adherence to the Shari'a, in various Muslim states, with the Shari'a itself -- he apparently thinks there are many different "Shari'as" which is tellingly bizarre. He does not realize that the most fanatically Islamic of states or regimes-- Saudi Arabia, Iran, Sudan, Pakistan -- are the ones where the legal code will most closely resemble that Ideal, the Shari'a, and be least subject to local nuance and custom and history that might have limited the power or appeal of Shari'a. Turkey, because of Kemalist constraints on Islam, has a legal code that is far from the Shari'a but, if Erdogan and the PKP have their way, as they relentlessly undo the power bases of those who defend Kemalism, more and more elements of Shari'a may be accepted. In Central Asia, the Soviet campaign agaanst all religions naturally included Islam, and that led to a falling away from the real thing -- but if, in one or more of the five Stans, Islam comes back, then so will calls for legal codes closer to the Shari'a. This is most likely to happen in Uzbekistan, least likely to happen in Kazakhstan.

If Adam Serwer does not understand why both the political theory that underlies, and most of the most important guarantees as to individual rights contained in, the Constitution are flatly contradicted by both the letter and spirit of Shari'a -- which is what Rauf has explained, though Serwer misunderstands him, that Muslims must work for "secular laws" in this country that, unlike the Constitution's Bill of Rights, do not contradict Qur'an and Sunnah, or their codification in the Shari'a -- then he can start with something else that might give him an understanding of what the Shari'a is.

He should take two documents: the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and the "Islamic" version, that is the Cairo Declaration of Human Rights, and lay them side-by-side, and see what changes Muslims made in the Universal Declaration, and especially what they omitted as well as what they modified so significantly, in order to arrive at a guarantee of "Universal Rights" to which they could subscribe, since they could not subscribe to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights that non-Muslim countries, of all kinds and backgrounds, have had no trouble subscribing to.

It might -- just might -- give him pause.

But I doubt it.

I think he's all set as a Defender of the Faith, that Faith being Islam.

He doesn't have to listen to Ayaan Hirsi Ali, or read her books. He doesn't have to give a thought to Wafa Sultan, or Ibn Warraq, or Magdi Allam, or Nonie Darwish. They must all be "right-wing." Or perhaps "extremely right-wing."

Anything at all to avoid having to being to confront reality.

I'm sure he'll find a way. He's done so up to now. Why should he have to begin to pay attention to what Islam actually inculcates? Why should he have to read and re-read the texts, and tenets? Why should he have to raise an eyebrow of skepticism about, or even to try to understand, the real meaning of the words and deeds of the outwardly plausible Feisal Abdul Rauf, whom any ex-Muslim, or any Copt or Maronite or Sudanese black Christian, can see through with ease, and understand exactly the significance of this mosque project, a significance that will forever elude young Adam Serwer?

Of course Mr. Spencer is anti-Muslim. His daily postings are rife with attacks on individuals.

You read his daily postings do you? You don't sound much like a fan...Must be hard for you to read all that heavy handed stuff Spencer dishes out...I like that word 'rife'...mind if I borrow it a second...Your post was 'rife' with petrified bovine fecal matter...Thanks you can have 'rife' back now...

"I wouldn't want to create the impression that I wouldn't like the government of the United States to be Islamic sometime in the future." -- CAIR spokesman Ibrahim Hooper, 1993

Yep, that's a thug. Anyone who would wish such evil on the United States of America is a thug, and worse - a "collaborator with evil," just like Adam Serwer.

"...on those people who dare to find positive aspects of Islam." Unfortunately, there are none. Zero. It's a big fat lie invented by a Warlord for personal power and political gain. Islam is nothing but sanctioned genocide of others' ("Infidels"), with a moon god commanding the genocide. Which, of course, is really Warlord Jew/Christian hater Mohammed.

America has a history of Freedom of Speech - that includes insult, mockery, and ridicule, all protected by the First Amendment. If you don't like that, "13 martyrs" (lol) - then go live in your Islamic country that has no freedom of speech. You know, those human-rights' cesspools called "Islamic countries."

Mohammed was an evil Jew-hating sociopath. Oops! I called poor 'ol Mo a "sociopath" - I called him a name! As we say here in America, "If the shoe fits..." So, get off your high and mighty pompous arrogant self-important high camel, Mohammedan.

Who are you to lecture RS? That's hilarious! What a total joke. Let me just "call a spade a spade" - the 7th century AD political ideology of Islam invented by a psychopath mass-murdering Warlord is evil. Those who follow/defend Islam are collaborators with evil. End of story. Just as those who follow/defend Fascism and Nazism are collaborators with evil.

You have a problem with that? I couldn't care less.

P.S. Serwer the self-hating Jew is a juvenile twit, no doubt about it. And Hooper is a thug, and "13 martyrs" is a Moslem bully. As duh swami replied to you: "Your post was 'rife' with petrified bovine fecal matter..." Yep - sometimes, "13 martyrs," you just have to call a spade a spade...

And 13-dunner. Why did you lie on that other blog stating that you are not a mohametan when you have converted to the stupidest religion on earth?

nabi ZK (pbum)

Arabs must humble themselves and be thankful that a 21st century culture such as Israel has decided to visit them and teach them the ways of progress. Israeli schools should be set up all through the Arab lands, only then will the ignorant be propelled into the 21st century. The brilliance of Jewish culture can be mastered by Arabs in only a few decades. The visit of Israel is a blessing to those mired down in desert sands.

So this dhimmi has no problems with the mountains (whole range) of evidance of islamic supremicisim and hate and intolerance for jews, christians, hindus , athiests, other non muslimsan , and those muslims not practicing the right islam. no, this nut will go after the people who are pointing out this evidance.
This feels like the 30's era. You have a nazi parade, and you have jews, gays, and other future victims of Nazisim cheering on the Nazis while waving the swastika flag. Adam serwer is one of those flag wavers.

I tend to want to keep my on the ball.

Yes there are what we define as moderate Muslims in the world, but of course there is no moderate Islam in the world. There in lies the problem that we address here daily as to how it intrudes into the lives of Western culture. Sharia is unacceptable in a free society, thus it has to be recognized as such. The easily noted 164 versus of the Koran that call for jihad against the infidel state is what is so important to address here on a daily basis. These are issues that cannot be dismissed or ignored in any way to preserve the liberties that so many died for trying to protect.

Are there Muslims out there calling for reform? Of course! Just as one commenter mentioned Irshad Manji in The American Prospect article by Serwer. Manji who is openly gay was of course kicked out of her Mosque in Vancouver,Canada for asking to many questions. She has called for reform in Islam for many years, but she lives with death threats over these efforts and has had bullet proof windows installed in her apartment to protect her family.

The words of the Prophet Mohammed where considered pure and cannot be changed for all time, thus the archaic practices of Islam are still alive and well as they nearly have been for 1,400 years.

The problem remains that it is the so-called radicals or extremists who are running the show in Islam, thus we would be foolishly remiss in not addressing this threat that is so obviously present in Eurabia and countries like Lebanon and Turkey's history.

We cannot ignore what represents a clear an present danger to free thinking societies, thus we must keep our eye on the ball, we must stay vigil, we must understand the threat that is Islam when dealing with the stealth jihad that is present in America and other Western societies.

People like Serwer are failing to recognize this for what it truly is.

"Know you enemy and know him well"-- from the ART OF WAR and quoted by General Douglas MacArthur many times.

"This feels like the 30's era. You have a Nazi parade, and you have Jews, gays, and other future victims of Nazisim cheering on the Nazis while waving the swastika flag. Adam Serwer is one of those flag wavers."

A perfect analogy. Incredible isn't? It's like mass-suicide. I can't comprehend it - but, there they are, in the flesh, cheering on the barbarians who want them dead.

Serwer is a just another intellectually deficient and morally bankrupt Liberal.

Sure it's easy to tear down his articles but he isn't writing for Spencer or any of us posters at JW. He's writing to the kool-aid drinkers who already to some degree believe what he is writing. And guess what? They'll believe him.

And why does he associate with the MB? Because like them he's a totalitarian lowlife himself and has no use for the West and it's value system.


Server clearly confuses the degrees of strictness of adherence to the Shari'a, in various Muslim states, with the Shari'a itself -- he apparently thinks there are many different "Shari'as" which is tellingly bizarre.

Not really. Once again, we have a tendency to think the opposition is operating devoid of logic. But they have a logic, and quite a complex logic at that. What they lack is rationality.

There are ostensibly multiple Sharias. This is a superficial fact, but a fact nonetheless. Secondly, these multiple Sharias differ in purity or severity. This is also a superficial fact, but a fact nonetheless.

What Serwer fails to do is penetrate beneath the facts constituted by the surface appearance, in order to find out 1) why there are multiple Sharias; and 2) which are truer to mainstream normative Islam and which are relatively deviations from mainstream normative Islam.

Serwer doesn't fail to do this in a vacuum. He already has a pre-fab template of explanations that answers those questions, and he applies that template unthinkingly.

The logic of that template goes something like this:

1) Sharia is a central part of the cherished religious culture, way of life, and existential identity of 1.2 billion Muslims

2) To impugn Sharia as dangerously unjust and unfit for modern society is therefore to accuse those 1.2 billion Muslims of being, or at least of supporting and cherishing, a legal system that is dangerously unjust and unfit for modern society.

3) There exist multiple Sharias in various places around the world. Some of these seem more or less benign and amenable to progress, some seem harsh and inflexible. This multiplicity reflects the diversity of Islam.

4) Since we don't want to accuse 1.2 billion people of being harsh and inflexible and of supporting a legal system that is dangerously unjust and unfit for modern society, we must therefore assume that the milder and more benign forms of Sharia around the world reflect the true Sharia of most Muslims, while the harsher forms of Sharia reflect the "extremism of a tiny minority who are twisting Islam".

Once we clarify the logic of Serwer's template (which he shares with millions of other idiotic Westerners, including George Bush), we can try to address -- with evidence and logical counter-arguments -- its points. This approach would save a lot of time spent tap-dancing around unclarified premises.

"Rauf says that this is a "complete misunderstanding" and that what he meant was that the U.S. allows Muslims to freely meet their own religious obligations. "The thing that people mistake, is that we're trying to impose Sharia law in America, there are aspects of Sharia law that we are allowed to practice. Like Jews practice their dietary laws, we practice them without contradiction."

One more comment. Rauf says that "the thing that people mistake [?]" is "that we're trying to impose Sharia law in America" because "there are aspects of Sharia law that we are allowed to practice."

What this appears to mean is that since Muslims are allowed to practice "some aspects of Sharia law" they are not, right now, openly agitating for all those aspects of Sharia law that contradict and undermine the legal and political institutions of this country.

But two obvious questions come to mind.

The first is: What would Rauf's position be if there were no aspects of Sharia law that Muslims were allowed to practice?

And the second is -- don't expect a direct answer -- is Rauf intent on pushing for more and more aspects of Sharia law to be observed, and is holding back, or going slowly, only out of prudential considerations and not because he does not think it both a right and a duty for Muslims to attempt not only to ensure that they answer to Sharia law and not to man-made laws, especially Infidel man-made laws, but to ensure, in the end, that Sharia is taken as the model for laws, covering every aspect of human behavior -- Islam provides a Total Regulation of Life -- not only by Muslims, but by others who must in the end submit to the dominance of Islam.

These are questions the unwary and credulous Mr. Serwer did not ask, nor did it occur to him even to think of asking them. And he would not know how to grasp the carefully-worded replies he would likely get from that smooth man Mr. Rauf.

But it occurred to us, the visitors to this site. And we would have no difficulty dissecting the real meaning of whatever Rauf would choose to reply.

For a similar dissection, see what the Egyptian-born Magdi Allam, a former Muslim, makes in his Open Letter to the sly fellow Egyptian (though born and raised in Switzerland), Tariq Ramadan. The best people for detecting the nonsense are those who were born into, and raised up, within Islam. They -- Magdi Allam, Wafa Sultan, Nonie Darwish, Ayaan Hirsi Ali -- are well-versed in all the cunning evasions.

Mr. Serwer is not. And he is particularly credulous, even for a young American.

No one can pwn a useful idiot like Robert Spencer. :)

OT The Daily Show had a long overdo go at Obama last night. The segment "Respect Barack's Authoritah" goes into Obama's lofty war on terror. ..Jon Stewart has probably had enough of this anti-Israel presidency.
http://www.thecomedynetwork.ca/Displayblog.aspx?bpid=23695146-44fa-43f7-9d04-79b8f07fd5aa
(smug vs cool starts at 1:09)

As for myself, I am a Jew, the child of a white man and a black woman. I am quite familiar with intolerance and what it looks like.

Behold the new racism of the American left: "I am the offspring of two very special races, possessed of a moral authority to which you can make no claim. So don't give me any of your backtalk, white boy."

8:39 "So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world)."

Oh, did I "misunderstand" that? Is that taken "context"? Is that aya abrogated by another saying that it is okay to worship unicorns? Surely that can't be a part of Sharia law, can it?

I wouldn't want to wait until after Sharia law is implemented to find out.

This is a trivial point, but I think Spencer in his earlier response to Serwer (I'm not referring to Spencer's above response, but to his response prior to the one above) should have come right out and stated clearly that, yes, Serwer was correct about the link not working before. Instead, Spencer's initial statement on the link was written in such a way that, while it didn't explicitly deny Serwer's claim that the link was not working, yet Spencer's language could easily be interpreted as denial. Was that ambiguity intentional? Who knows. But I think quite a few readers must have concluded from Spencer's wording in that earlier response that the link had always worked. That was what I thought Spencer meant. When I took that to be Spencer's meaning, I did not assume that Serwer was dishonest about the link not working; I supposed Serwer was in error and had thus shown himself to be, to that extent, less than fully competent as a writer who checks his own work. So I was a little surprised when I read in this new Spencer response, above, that the link was indeed not working at some point.

Apart from that trivial point, Spencer's response above to Serwer is devastating, I think, to Serwer's positions.

This whole episodes reeks of Ralph Peters. Ugh.

*** 92:8 ***

Pious asses are every bit as dangerous to us as devout Moslems, and they're everywhere nowadays.

13 Martyrs sez:

"Of course Mr. Spencer is anti-Muslim. His daily postings are rife with attacks on individuals"


as usual, a Muslim is wrong...Mr Spencer is not anti-Muslim...in fact, he is friends with many Muslims and former Muslims....His daily postings do not attack individuals...

Now Mr Spencer may object to Islam and what it teaches and its attitudes and activities towards others who would prefer a different religion or a desire to live free....He may object to what certain people say or do....this cannot be denied...as these people do say and do these things...Mr Spencer and others do a wonderful job of reporting these things...it is up to the reader to examine the evidence and make their own judgements...unlike followers of Islam who have their judgements decided for them....

and Islam ain't all it's cracked up to be...

not at all....

Adam Serwer seems surprisingly naive about sharia, even as a young journalist. Is he not aware that polls done by World Public Opinion, PEW, Gallup, and others all indicate that most Muslims worldwide want sharia? And that from the WPO and PEW polls at least they want "a strict application" of sharia law in every Muslim country? In Pakistan, roughly 80% want adulterers stoned to death and want apostates put to death. (But Serwer can relax; only a much smaller percentage of them approve of the Taliban). Why does Serwer seem so confident to write about sharia, as though he were an expert?

"Sharia" is Islamic law. In repressive societies like that of Afghanistan under the Taliban, it is indeed brutal and repressive. In say, Turkey, the legal structure is studiously secular, and Sharia only matters to the extent it governs the personal affairs of the religious."

Not true. Turkey does not have sharia courts (as far as I'm aware), but as an Islamic country it has tight restrictions on public expressions, legal restrictions that amount to blasphemy laws, in the guise of religious hate laws.

"[...]ARTICLE 216-(1) Any person who openly provokes a group of people belonging to different social class, religion, race, sect, or coming from another origin, to be rancorous or hostile against another group, is punished with imprisonment from one year to three years in case of such act causes risk from the aspect of public safety.
(2) Any person who openly humiliates another person just because he belongs to different social class, religion, race, sect, or comes from another origin, is punished with imprisonment from six months to one year.
(3) Any person who openly disrespects the religious belief of group is punished with imprisonment from six months to one year if such act causes potential risk for public peace.[...]"
[Source: legislationline.org, Criminal CodeLaw Nr. 5237 Passed On 26.09.2004 (Official Gazette No. 25611 dated 12.10.2004)]

The CIA Factbook estimate has Turkey at 99.8% Muslim. So this law would almost entirely be used to restrict Muslims, even merely nominal Muslims, from saying anything perceived by other Muslims as inappropriate about Islam. Announcing one's apostasy in public, and explaining it frankly, could easily be illegal under such a law. This is in addition to the vigilante and mob-based "policing" of public expressions about Islam in Muslim-majority countries.

I challenge Serwer to name one Muslim-majority country that does not have some kind of legal punishment for those who criticize Islam in public.

"Islamophobes like Spencer have dutifully exploited the former incarnation because it allows them to fearmonger in free conscience, because he assumes and hopes that his audience understands and associates Sharia with Taliban style injustice and oppression."

A question that comes to mind is What form of criticism of Islam would Serwer considerable acceptable? Can Serwer name a non-Muslim critic of Islam who he thinks is not an "Islamophobe"? I suspect that his answers would be the same as others: Silence (No form of criticism, and no non-Muslim critics, are ever mentioned as being acceptable, i.e., as not Islamophobic or Islamophobes, to people like Serwer).

"The Sharia of Rauf is not the Sharia of the Taliban, and Spencer conflates the two [...]"

1. Well, the sharia in place in Afghanistan, at present, isn't as bad as the Taliban's version, but it's not that much different. Just ask those who've been jailed there under the blasphemy laws. Or ask the Christian convert who was going to be tried and executed for apostasy (in 2006), and who was then forced to leave the country, and escaped only due to Western intervention. Interview the child brides there, Serwer. I'm not sure how much attention Serwer has been paying to these issues in Afghanistan and elsewhere.

2. Re Rauf, it's reasonable to suspect that the sharia of Rauf includes at least polygamy, the same polygamy approved by Rauf's wife Daisy Khan. But I doubt Serwer asked any specific questions about such matters when he phoned Rauf, even though it is his job as a journalist to ask the right questions to find out what is or is not true. When you ask questions, you should persist until you get answers. If the person fails to answer key questions, you report the fact that they failed to answer those key questions. What Serwer reports sounds more like an Islamic infomercial.

"13 Martyrs" wrote:

Clearly Mr. Spencer does not have enough confidence in his own work...
.................

Let's take a look at "13 Martyrs" own words, from another thread:

I suppose that anyone who quotes Robert Spencer, whose numerous followers hope to wipe Muslims off the face of the earth, or at least outlaw their religion, that you are capable of anything.
.................

Here he claims Robert Spencer are intent on mass murder and genocide—based on—what? Spencer has *never* voiced such opinions.

Meanwhile, of course, Muslims regularly not only state murderous intentions regarding Infidels, especially Jews—but regularly carry out killings in horrific, bloodstained numbers—and have throughout their dark and bloody history.

So—this is nothing but projection.

I don't know if "13 Martyrs" refers to the thirteen martyrs of Cavite, or Arad, or Kantara. I do know, however, that anyone who does not fight against Jihad and the imposition of Shari'ah will, sadly, see many, many, more martyrs in the future.

Editorial correction:

"Here he claims Robert Spencer are intent on mass murder and genocide—based on—what? Spencer has *never* voiced such opinions."

Should read:

"Here he claims Robert Spencer's "followers" are intent on mass murder and genocide—based on—what? Spencer has *never* voiced such opinions."

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