EU, US pledge to ignore the motives and goals of the jihadists while fighting terrorism

The EU and the US have completely bought in to the idea that it somehow "insults" or "defames" Islam to speak accurately about what motivates the jihadists, what they believe, and what they hope to accomplish -- because to do so inevitably leads one into Islamic theology. They are thus pledging not to understand their enemy while trying to fight him -- a sure recipe for disaster. "EU, US pledge to respect Islam while fighting terrorism - Summary," from DPA, June 3 (thanks to all who sent this in):

Luxembourg - The European Union and United States will protect the rights of all religions, including Islam, as they try to fight international terrorism, the two sides declared in a joint statement on Thursday.

Muslims across the EU and US say that they are being unfairly targeted, and their religion demonised, as part of the West's campaign against violent groups such as al-Qaeda.

Al-Qaeda and other Muslim groups that use Islamic texts and teachings to justify their actions are doing the "demonizing," in reality.

The two sides are determined to promote "environments where robust freedoms of religion and expression are enjoyed" and "international efforts to enhance dialogue and broaden understanding among civilizations," the statement said.

That declaration "sends a message to the world in general, and Muslim countries in particular, that we will defend and protect our values ... and that we will remain tolerant of other religions, beliefs and cultures," Spanish Interior Minister Alfredo Perez Rubalcaba said after talks with EU counterparts in Luxembourg.

The meeting gave the EU's final approval to the declaration. Rubalcaba chaired the debate, as Spain currently holds the EU's rotating presidency.

The EU and US are both trying to improve their relations with Muslim communities as part of broader efforts to reduce radicalisation and terrorist recruitment in their own countries.

The two sides acknowledge the importance of "countering the threat of home-grown violent extremism" and "addressing legitimate concerns and grievances regarding civil rights and civil liberties from minorities and individuals, in order to build their opposition to violent extremists," their statement said....

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Muslims across the EU and US say that they are being unfairly targeted, and their religion demonised, as part of the West's campaign against violent groups such as al-Qaeda.
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How so? What incidents can they point to as proof?

The blower-uppers, head choppers, and private part butchers are the true victims, eh?

And the real abuse is wielded by internet bloggers with markers depicting their prophet as the bloodthirsty pedophile that the Qu'ran asserts he truly is...

Robert Spence, Huge, Danciel Pipes and other5 Islamistprobic racist are the one demonist peaceful Islam and preaceful muslim. It about time that strict hate crime law3s are passed to protect Islam and muslim from being demonist by Islamistprobic racist.

DefilerofInglesh ...

Telling the truth is not a "hate crime".

I guess the E.U. and the U.S. want to head down the path that we see in Islamic countries. Utter chaos, death, oppression, misery and fear. I wonder if they ever thought that Islam is a total system that wants to establish it self as supreme and subjugate all of humanity. An ideology that wants to impose Sharia law on all and in effect classify non Muslims and dhimmis without any rights. An ideology that wants to bring about a worldwide Islamic Caliphate an empire of Arab imperialism. A fascist totalitarian system. So as not to offend Mohammedans, the hell with the security and safety of non Muslim citizens of the E.U. and U.S.

Spence, Huge and Danciel?? (ROTFLMAO)

Preaceful muslim?

Islamistprobic racist?

Eleanor! We have a wet DOI cleanup on aisle 5!

That declaration "sends a message to the world in general, and Muslim countries in particular, that we will defend and protect our values ... and that we will remain tolerant of other religions, beliefs and cultures," Spanish Interior Minister Alfredo Perez Rubalcaba said.

Rubalcaba is saying that the West will do two opposite things at the same time. If the West is to "defend and protect" its values, it cannot tolerate a large part of Islam's practices and beliefs, such as Sharia law, special treatment for Moslems, the enslavement of women, death for apostates, death for "disobedient" daughters and sisters, polygamy, etc.
To the extent that the West tolerates Islamic practices, it rejects its own values.

This is good news as Turkey prepares for E.U. accession, supported by the new British government. Religion should play no role in fighting the terrorists.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=thirteen-projects-approved-to-be-funded-by-the-eu-2010-05-27

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/news-210406-100-hague-reaffirms-support-for-turkeys-eu-bid.html

Turkey accuses Israel of state-terror...
http://en.rian.ru/world/20100531/159236759.html

Seriously, this is in the category of WORST kind-of story I see here. Not just state-supported dhimmitude, but internationally-endorsed dhimmitude as stated policy. I fear we are provoking the unsmiling disfavor of fate...

But the terrorists always shout "Allahu Akbar," Jonathan. Is that some kind-of religious thing? Please explain for me what that means! Thanks!

"Those whom the gods would destroy..."

Yes, I know it has been used ad nauseam. But when was it ever so apposite and apt?

More FACTS for you to swallow and digest, Jonathan ...

Sorry, but these are not "talking points", so don't even go there -- again.

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"Helsinki Principles: Israel Was in the Right"

The Helsinki Principles on the Law of Maritime Neutrality, a basis for international law on the subject, shows that Israel was well within its prescriptions in forcibly stopping the Gaza-bound flotilla.

The relevant clauses in the Helsinki Principles read as follows:

5.1.1 Neutral ships in belligerent ports

A neutral ship in a belligerent port enjoys the same protection against attacks as civilian objects in land warfare… Neutral warships in belligerent ports retain their right of self-defense.

5.1.2 Protection against attacks

(3) Merchant ships flying the flag of a neutral State may be attacked if they are believed on reasonable grounds to be carrying contraband or breaching a blockade, and after prior warning they intentionally and clearly refuse to stop, or intentionally and clearly resist visit, search, capture or diversion.

(4) Merchant ships flying the flag of a neutral State may be attacked if they:

(a) engage in belligerent acts on behalf of the enemy;

(b) act as auxiliaries to the enemy’s armed forces;

(c) are incorporated into or assist the enemy’s intelligence system;

(d) sail under convoy of enemy warships or military aircraft; or

(e) otherwise make an effective contribution to the enemy’s military action, e.g., by carrying military materials, and it is not feasible for the attacking forces to first place passengers and crew in a place of safety. Unless circumstances do not permit, they are to be given a warning, so that they can re-route, off-load, or take other precautions.

5.2.1 Visit and search:
Belligerent warships have a right to visit and search vis-à-vis neutral commercial ships in order to ascertain the character and destination of their cargo. If a ship tries to evade this control or offers resistance, measures of coercion necessary to exercise this right are permissible. This includes the right to divert a ship where visit and search at the place where the ship is encountered are not practical.

5.2.10 Blockade:
Blockade, i.e. the interdiction of all or certain maritime traffic coming from or going to a port or coast of a belligerent, is a legitimate method of naval warfare. In order to be valid, the blockade must be declared, notified to belligerent and neutral States, effective and applied impartially to ships of all States. A blockade may not bar access to neutral ports or coasts. Neutral vessels believed on reasonable and probable grounds to be breaching a blockade may be stopped and captured. If they, after prior warning, clearly resist capture, they may be attacked.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/137863

"The EU and US are both trying to improve their relations with Muslim communities as part of broader efforts to reduce radicalisation and terrorist recruitment in their own countries.'

The EU and US applies only to their governments, not the people in these countries. Most people can see the forest for the tree.

They are blaming terrorist recuitment on a common sense reaction to the horrors of islam. All the while ignoring the hatred and edicts to eliminate the infidel outlined in their unholy teachings.

Such a good thing only the governments are ignorant. Could care less about the sensative feelings of muslim lunatics. Our governments are becoming as warped as the believers of the hate filled religion that is islam.

Hugh and George:

Your combined posts make me want to pop Orff's Carmina Burana into my stereo.

"Eleanor! We have a wet DOI cleanup on aisle 5!"
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I think we'll need to just close the entire store until OSHA can get there and recertify it for human occupation!

Pardon me now, George, I must switch to ethnic "Doiish" to speak to the musulman (clears throat):


D hater mausoleums mens hat,e

I want too than thanked yuo for than sweat word yuo use to try and wooo me with than resupee. I wented to my locul Jooooish markit butt, donot yuo no, they donot kary than Muhamhand yernine. I were so disapointt. I vary neerly crid.

Butt nutt too wary, I will try against soon, meby atthan Hellal markits in Vaginas ware they be Al-Awwwlackey tape.

Farthurmeer, Islamotropic Pipes explosuve, Spencehater and Huge man havenot demonisted Ismal andnot Muslimey peeple neether. Preaceful mausos donot ackt lyke normul Mericuns or UE peepel so what wood yuo havin they do?

Islamotropiest r4cists are thanMooslums theyself.

Peice, and prey forthan Infiduel peices to,
Elunaaar hate.


Inglush bethan dyed,
DefenderOfIslam kilt it, than.

"The EU and US are both trying to improve their relations with Muslim communities as part of broader efforts to reduce radicalisation and terrorist recruitment in their own countries."

This seems to be about fear of Muslims and appeasement of them.

A Danish psychotherapist has worked with Muslims and explains why this policy has failed and will continue to fail due to Muslim cultural differences which relate to anger and blame.

Here's the link, in case you missed it previously:

http://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm/frm/63122/sec_id/63122

maxtrue, Thanks for the link. "We Con the World" -- well worth a look, or a listen. The "peace activists" on the Blue Marmara deserve every bit of ridicule the world throws at them.

That was great! ...and so true. Sadly.

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Why do I feel that my government is frog marching me to my death?

"Islamistprobic racist?"

LOL!!!

Dude, Now tell me thats not a pick up line at a local Islamic gay bar. Coming soon to a porn flick near you...

Take a good hard look at defenderofIslam...He is it...

Luxembourg - The European Union and United States will protect the rights of all religions, including Islam, as they try to fight international terrorism, the two sides declared in a joint statement on Thursday.

That and some really low bowing and groveling, is a winning formula for Islam...Allah celebrates...

Oh crap, thats funny.

Thank you DoI, I needed that.

Ah, paranoia, wipping out the law book. Should have been doing that before, not after.

Can you read?

4) Merchant ships flying the flag of a neutral State may be attacked if they:

(a) engage in belligerent acts on behalf of the enemy;

(b) act as auxiliaries to the enemy’s armed forces;

(c) are incorporated into or assist the enemy’s intelligence system;

(d) sail under convoy of enemy warships or military aircraft;

Its not parinoia, its the law.

Ah, paranoia,

I certainly hope so...If you don't get a little paranoid after learning the truth and facts of Islam, you need to read the Quran just a little bit more...Sometimes paranoia is justified...

Unilateral disarmament, and in the current state of the world's mental and moral desarroi, suicidal to boot.

If Netanyahu had the savy of those Israelis who USE THE INTERNET like it should be used, Israel would be in a bit better position....

Spread the word people.... http://www.michaeltotten.com/2010/06/a-bit-of-humor.php#comment-13764

In fact Mr. Spencer, you should give Michael his due......

There is some common ground in this madness....yes?

Piracy and international waters...

More law, always more law...

A naval blockade is defined in Article 7.71 of the U.S. Naval Handbook as “a belligerent operation to prevent vessels and/or aircraft of all nations, enemy as well as neutral, from entering or exiting specified ports, airfields, or coastal areas belonging to, occupied by, or under the control of an enemy nation.” It is designed to stop ships from crossing a cordon separating the enemy’s coast from the high seas. It is therefore''' often enforced in what would otherwise be international waters approaching, but not necessarily inside, the territorial sea of the blockaded party'''.

Let’s go to the U.N. Convention on the Law of the Sea, Article 101:

Piracy consists of any of the following acts:

(a) any illegal acts of violence or detention, or any act of depredation, committed for "private ends by the crew or the passengers of a private ship or a private aircraft", and directed:

(i) on the high seas, against another ship or aircraft, or against persons or property on board such ship or aircraft;

(ii) against a ship, aircraft, persons or property in a place outside the jurisdiction of any State;

(b) any act of voluntary participation in the operation of a ship or of an aircraft with knowledge of facts making it a pirate ship or aircraft;

Was this IDF action “committed for private ends,” Or just the opposite? And, in general, piracy cannot be committed by a national ship, only by private ships or by national ships that have been taken over by their crews.

These darn laws really get in the way of Jew haters don't they?

"Paranoia"? Interesting choice of a word. Hmm, are you feeling paranoid? Yeah, the law does have that effect on people -- especially when they're feeling guilty when they know that they are wrong.

"These darn laws really get in the way of Jew haters don't they?"

Indeed, duh_swami.

Hey, Tom davis, crank it up so we can hear it!
I'm digging-out "Bye Bye Miss American Pie" here!


I don't care if you produce 500 or more similar articles. These are more or less opinion pieces, and the LAW trumps the opinions of others. Sorry, you lose, loser.

I wonder if Jonathan actually reads all those links he keeps posting...Or really expects anyone else to read them...

I never go to a link provided by Mahoundians or apologists or Jew haters...Many of those links have bugs that jump...

Jonathan, can you even answer a simple question without a dozen links to do your talking for you? Here, let me try again:

I could give you enough examples to fill the page of terrorists shouting "Allahu Akbar" while committing their crimes.

America and the EU feel that terrorism isn't related to religion.

What does "Allahu Akbar mean, Jonathan? Is it some kind of religious-thing? If so, what religion would that be, Jonathan?

Is this a tough one for you, Jonathan? Hey, we can make it an "open-book" test for you--would that help?

Broaden understanding between between civilizations huh? I think I understand islam well enough thank you very much!!

GBAI

Jonathan can't think for him self, so he lets others think/speak for him.

Jonathan's link to The Hindu shows that he is in the loony left camp. The Hindu is a leftist rag in India whose Editor is an avowed leftist. This paper always sides with China in any sort of disagreement between India and China. It is derisively called The Chindu by those who know the real story.

Champ says..."Indeed, duh_swami."

Anti-semitism accusations no longer credible...

http://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorialopinion/article/817857--canadian-establishment-s-deference-to-israel-is-out-of-date

Israel's future existence is being debated and all some can do is milk the 9/11 trough and block and jail any debate on it. Hollywood Israel shows us a video of a victimless humanitarian dance or something coupled with the questionable authenticity of cook's knives and manufactured photography, yet we're expected to raise the flag of 9/11 and support Israel, ribbiting terrorist like frogs. What is this, a replay of Buchenwald in crisis mode and a few days too late?

Support your local SPCA.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sam-sedaei/the-israeli-raid-and-ques_b_597131.html

C'mon, I repeat ...

The Maritime Law supercedes this journalists very flawed "opinion piece"; and btw, I'm a little surprised that you offered his idiotic opinion to defend your position. Oh wait -- never mind, you're both idiots.

IndianTiger says..."Jonathan's link to The Hindu shows that he is in the loony left camp. The Hindu is a leftist rag in India whose Editor is an avowed leftist. This paper always sides with China in any sort of disagreement between India and China. It is derisively called The Chindu by those who know the real story."

That is foreign speak. Is that from the Newsmax University?

Leftist? It doesn't seem to stick concerning the entire breadth of the condemnation.

Islam is religious cancer. The elites in charge of the US and EU are clueless. And Jonathan likes running interference for evil. Nothing new here.

Islam is the "religion of peace" that approves of honor killing among Muslims, that commands the murder of those that convert from Islam to another religion or to no religion, that regards and treats Muslim women as inferior to Muslim men, that denies equal rights and human rights to Christians, Jews and other non-Muslims, that commands the murder of non-Muslims, that commands the practice of deceit in order to promote Islam, to protect one's self from harm, and to promote one's personal interests. This is Islam, the "religion of peace".

May the true God have mercy on all those that are deceived by Islam. May the true God enlighten them to see the errors, the lies, and the outright evil that are Islam and that were practiced by Muhammad himself. May many Muslims realize that Islam could not be from Allah as it inspires hatred of semi-believers and non-believers, commands murder, and teaches deceit. May many Muslims realize that Muhammad was himself deceived by the Great Deceiver - the Evil One, Satan, the Devil.

Is there some good in Islam? Yes, borrowed from Judaism and Christianity. But the good is corrupted and superseded by the evil in Islam because Islam teaches that virtue must be practiced even if by force and under pain of death. There is no freedom in Islam, but license to commit evil such as murder, rape, and deceit.

But Glory be to the true God of Light, Truth, Justice, Mercy, Peace and Love - the God of Jews and Christians!

Ok, Jonathan, I've waited over an hour for answers that should take about 10 seconds.
It's clear that you can't handle the truth.
If you had any credibility it just went to zero. And, BTW, rest assured that Israel will be around and thriving long after you're gone. Have a nice evening...

"Is there some good in Islam? Yes, borrowed from Judaism and Christianity."

Some good? Please clarify, Laurence ...

I cannot find any good within islam, especially since muhammad (perdition is upon him) personified evil, and allah is NOT the God of the Bible.

UPI has a new flotilla story "Another aid ship has postponed a trip to Gaza to allow safety equipment to be installed"
hmm, more life rafts?
"satellite and video equipment were being installed in case of another confrontation with Israeli military"
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/International/2010/06/03/American-among-flotilla-victims/UPI-40851275572149/

WE HAVE COME A LONG WAY FROM HARD WON GROUND

The Pentagon Breaks the Islam Taboo
http://97.74.65.51/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=6263

Thus our strategy must match our means to two ends: dismantling the al
Qaeda network and, in the long term, prevailing over the ideology that contributes
to Islamist terrorism.

page 22 of 31 of 911 summary

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/22_07_04911execsum.pdf

In addition to making anticipated findings on the 2001 plot and recommendations for homeland security, the commission offered a series of foreign policy prescriptions to correct what it suggests is an unbalanced global strategy. The effort is to shift the government away from focusing on what the report calls a "generic evil," and toward a more precise definition of the threat.

The report argues that the nation's enemy consists of two parts: al Qaeda -- a stateless network of terrorists that is "weakened but continues to pose a grave threat" -- and a radical ideological movement in the Islamic world that "is gathering and will menace Americans and American interests long after" Osama bin Laden is gone.


"The enemy goes beyond al-Qaeda to include the radical ideological movement inspired in part by al-Qaeda that has spawned other terrorist groups," the report said. It calls not only for the dismantling of al-Qaeda but an ideological battle against fundamentalist Islam.

I fear we will never regain the ground

Some nice videos of Jonathan's hero's, and duly elected governors of Gaza:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMZFHbiWIps&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNfGLV3nRKE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9yK0u-XH1M&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW4RMCO5hQk&feature=related

More of Jonathan's hero's

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1EEpvXA23E&has_verified=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xJ50cZmiHU&feature=related

Jonathan's favorite tactic to use children as shields from which to launch attacks from, so he can blame Israel if they are killed. Thereby weakening Israel politically, so he can have his genocide against the Jews.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J08GqXMr3YE&feature=related

Jonathan's favorite sermon where Muslims pray for genocide of Jews:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxErvEzfoO0

More genocidal talk from Jonathan's hero:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bxsa1dxnmxo&feature=related

Johnathan must love this talk of genocide:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPfYCLNJyBU&feature=related

The peaceful Hamas the people of Gaza elected, Johnathan loves this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIBNRVgq59Y&feature=related

Masri Learning of a Hamas Missile being Fired from the Ground Floor of the Building housing the Alarabiya Studio. Johnathan loves this tactic, because if Israel responds an innocent reporter is killed conveniently in front of cameras. If enough reporters die then maybe Jonathan's friends can weaken Israel enough to do this again:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pN34rakx7Kw&feature=related

The light of civilization, against the forces of evil:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cdlf4NK07vI&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVz6d24Q52c&feature=related

Jonathan, let me help you with the simple answer to the question
"Allahu Akbar. What does it mean?"
Many have translated it into "God is great". But the real translation, the truth, is, "Allah is greater". This "prayer of war" has the same meaning as when two little children playing in the sandbox start boasting to each other, saying "My dad is greater than your dad".
Muhammed was a schoolyard bully, only difference, his goons had (and still have) deadly weapons, and they use(d) them. For references please read the Quran and the hadiths by Ishaq, Bhukari, Tabari and Muslim, for context on the Quran.

We're not racists. We're telling the truth, and you don't like hearing the truth. Islam is barbaric, intolerant, brutal and misogynistic, and it is time that lazy workshy barbarians like yourself were kicked out of the West and sent back to Pakistan where you belong, amongst the rest of the feckleess dregs of this planet.

We are in the same spot we were in as of 2001. The 9/11 commission report never illustrates what we do if these measures fail, and it never gives a time frame for said measures to produce results.

• Define the message and stand as an example of moral leadership in the world. To Muslim parents, terrorists like Bin Ladin have nothing to offer their children but visions of violence and death. America and its friends have the advantage—our vision can offer a better future.

• Where Muslim governments, even those who are friends, do not offer opportunity, respect the rule of law, or tolerate differences, then the United States needs to stand for a better future.

• Communicate and defend American ideals in the Islamic world, through much stronger public diplomacy to reach more people, including students and leaders outside of government. Our efforts here should be as strong as they were in combating closed societies during the Cold War.

• Offer an agenda of opportunity that includes support for public education and economic openness.

• Develop a comprehensive coalition strategy against Islamist terrorism, using a flexible contact group of leading coalition governments and fashioning a common coalition approach on issues like the treatment
of captured terrorists.

• Devote a maximum effort to the parallel task of countering the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction.

• Expect less from trying to dry up terrorist money and more from following the money for intelligence, as a tool to hunt terrorists, understand their networks, and disrupt their operations.

The west is still under the assumption that there is this peaceful Islam, even in the face of these recent events.

"Bogor hots up as 7 buildings torched on religious grounds
Theresia Sufa and Hasyim Widhiarto, The Jakarta Post, Bogor, West Java | Wed, 04/28/2010 11:22 AM | City

Thousands of residents of Cisarua in the Puncak area, Bogor, on Tuesday burned a resort complex project belonging to a Christian organization said to have misused its building permit."


http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2010/04/28/bogor-hots-7-buildings-torched-religious-grounds.html

http://www.persecution.org/suffering/ICCnews/newsdetail.php?newscode=12470&title=afghan-parliamentarian-calls-for-execution-of-christians

"The leaders of Coptic Christians, whose community is facing growing persecution in Egypt, say they have been unsuccessful in efforts to gain a hearing from the White House or other parts of the Obama administration."

"That objective is voiced openly by advocates of the Moslem Brotherhood, who voice the ambition in weekly sermons, as well as over the airwaves by such broadcasters as the Qatari Al Jazeera and the Suadi Al Arabia television networks. Both networks keep a large contingent of reporters in Cairo and carry a stream of anti-Christian speeches and news programming. Anti-Christian exhortations are far from discreet; they are made openly on loud speakers in mosques on Fridays across Egypt, even in Christian neighborhoods."

In light of this, a new report needs to be made, one with a time frame, and an assessment of what could happen to our civilization if the 9/11 report is wrong about this "perversion" of Islam idea. I just want to see a report that illustrates what happens if they are wrong, and what you do, if and when you discover you are wrong. First we need to impeach Obama though ... after the November elections.

We're not racists. We're telling the truth, and you don't like hearing the truth. Islam is barbaric, intolerant, brutal and misogynistic, and it is time that lazy workshy treacherous barbarians like yourself were kicked out of the West and sent back to Pakistan where you belong, amongst the rest of the feckless dregs of this planet.

wow, that's a spicey meatball!
"Islam is an ideological engine of war (Jihad)," concludes the sensitive Pentagon briefing paper. And "no one is looking for its off switch."
"on the domestic front, the Pentagon briefing draws perhaps its most disturbing conclusions." As a muslim population grows and gains more influence, so will terrorism in a three-phase attack strategy:
1 "Meccan, or weakened, period, whereby a small Muslim minority asserts itself through largely peaceful and political measures involving Islamic NGOs."
2 "preparation phase, a "reasonably influential" Muslim minority starts to turn more militant. The briefing uses Britain and the Netherlands as examples."
3 "Medina Stage, a large minority uses its strength of numbers and power to rise up against the majority, as Muslim youth recently demonstrated in terrorizing France"
An analyst working on the project "We're getting Islam 101, and we need Islam 404."
I think islam 303 still works at the longer ranges.


"The two sides are determined to promote "environments where robust freedoms of religion and expression are enjoyed" and "international efforts to enhance dialogue and broaden understanding among civilizations," the statement said. "
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Interesting. How much freedom of religion and expression are enjoyed in SA, Pakistan, Egypt again? How many churches are built? How much dialogue is there between the African Animists and the Muslims?

How much do Muslims actually understand about other faiths?

BTW isn't "civilizations" a misnomer?

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"Muslims across the EU and US say that they are being unfairly targeted, and their religion demonized, as part of the West's campaign against violent groups such as al-Qaeda."

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The above is backward actually. It is the unbelieving people of the West who are being unfairly targeted by Muslims shouting Allahu Akbar and going boom.

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"That declaration "sends a message to the world in general, and Muslim countries in particular, that we will defend and protect our values ... and that we will remain tolerant of other religions, beliefs and cultures," Spanish Interior Minister Alfredo Perez Rubalcaba said after talks with EU counterparts in Luxembourg."

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The above I just don't get and I'm no idiot. Why do we in the West have to send a message to Muslim countries that we will remain tolerant of other religions, beliefs and cultures?

It is solely in the West that all religions and cultures are tolerated. Nay even celebrated.

Where is the reciprocal statement from Dal al Islam???

Where is the tolerance and celebration of the Coptic religion and culture in Egypt, for example.

Why do our leaders sell us out for nothing?

1. The block vote
2. According to the left leaning liberal multiculturalist everybody is either good or misunderstood.
2. Correction. According to the left leaning liberal multiculturalist everybody is either good or misunderstood exept for the white male.

The above is an answer to the question.
Why do our leaders sell us out for nothing?

They aren't the only ones ignoring the motives of Muslim terrorists. Read Robert Pape's "Dying to Win: The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism." He finds that foreign military occupation is stronger than Islamic fundamentalism in predicting what countries individual suicide terrorists will come from by a factor of 10 to 1. Read government analysts accurate predictions prior to the 2003 invasion of how they expected terrorism to increase in response to the increased US troop presence. They don't care that terrorism is enhanced. They want oil.

The reasons weren't any different in 1958. In 1958 President Eisenhower concluded that "there's a campaign of hatred against us in the Middle East - not by governments but by the people". He asked the National Security Council to look into the matter, and they gave their analysis as follows: "there's a perception in the region that the US is supporting corrupt, brutal, and harsh regimes, and is blocking democratization and development, and is doing so because of our interest in controlling the oil reserves in the region. It's difficult to counter this accusation because it's accurate. It is natural for us to support status quo governments and to prevent democracy because we want to maintain control over the energy resources of the region."

"Robert Spence, Huge, Danciel Pipes and other5 Islamistprobic racist are the one demonist peaceful Islam and preaceful muslim."

lol! What's this guy been smoking?!

"Eleanor! We have a wet DOI cleanup on aisle 5!" [re: "DefenderofIslam"].

lol. So funny, so true. A mop, Ajax, and Clorox required to clean up the mess.

And I suppose that Muslims only invaded Persia and Byzantium because the eevil Persians and Byzantines were 'occupying' Muslim land? And that the Muslims got on boats and attacked faraway Sind, on the other side of the Indian Ocean, because Sind was 'occupying' Muslim land...

And I guess one million Armenian Christians - indigenous to Anatolia, or certainly resident there centuries before any Muslims arrived - were butchered by ecstatically yelling Muslim mobs, purely because they were 'occupiers', and it didn't have anything at all to do with Islam??

pull the other leg, 'Jon', it's got bells on.

"D hater mausoleums mens hat,e

I want too than thanked yuo for than sweat word yuo use to try and wooo me with than resupee. I wented to my locul Jooooish markit butt, donot yuo no, they donot kary than Muhamhand yernine. I were so disapointt. I vary neerly crid.

Butt nutt too wary, I will try against soon, meby atthan Hellal markits in Vaginas ware they be Al-Awwwlackey tape.

Farthurmeer, Islamotropic Pipes explosuve, Spencehater and Huge man havenot demonisted Ismal andnot Muslimey peeple neether. Preaceful mausos donot ackt lyke normul Mericuns or UE peepel so what wood yuo havin they do?

Islamotropiest r4cists are thanMooslums theyself.

Peice, and prey forthan Infiduel peices to,
Elunaaar hate.


Inglush bethan dyed,
DefenderOfIslam kilt it, than."

A huge LOL! There's only one problem, E - yours is too literate!

See ya, Kimk hater, than Islamistprobic, than

Look at the coffins that are on display in turkey. Notice the flags. One Turkish, one Pakillstinan, and... One black flag of the army of Mohammed.

http://www.haaretz.com/

Khabar! Khabar! Oh Jew, the army of Mohammed will return!

They prayed for marterdom, they got it. Better them than us.

:-D

'Jon' seems to think Robert Pape is the last word on the subject.

Problem.

Not everyone else thinks so.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/01/robert-pape-is-wrong-suicide-bombing-is-frequently-motivated-by-islamic-tenets.html

'Contrasting Secular and Religious Terrorism', by Jonathan Fine, in Middle East Quarterly,
Winter 2008.

http://www.meforum.org/1826/contrasting-secular-and-religious-terrorism

Excerpt - "Despite the revisionism advanced by Pape and others, the fact remains that most suicide bombings since 1980 in the world in general and in the Middle East in particular are sponsored by Islamist and not secular terrorist groups.

"Pape avoids this conclusion by gerrymandering his data so that he does not need to include the significant numbers of suicide bombings conducted by Sunnis against Shi‘a in Iraq."


"Inattention to the ideological upbringing of terrorists is counterproductive.

"Although the empirical tools of political science are ill-equipped to assess culture, ideology, and motivation, difficulty in quantifying these factors does not mean they do not exist.

" Rather than filter evidence to fit the model, responsible political scientists should adjust their models to accommodate the evidence.

"Important differences exist between those terrorist groups striving to implement secular revolutionary principles based on the thinking of Vladimir Lenin, Mao Zedong, or Ernesto "Che" Guevara, and the groups motivated by the religious revolutionary theories of Muslim Brotherhood theoretician Sayyid Qutb, Iranian ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, or Palestinian theologian Abdullah Yusuf ‘Azzam, whose concept of defense of Muslim lands as every Muslim's personal obligation had major influence on Al-Qaeda founder Osama bin Laden."

And Michael Gordon having lots of fun exposing all the smoke and mirrors employed by Pape.

http://www.thebuggyprofessor.org/archives/00000261.php


My three favourite articles on the subject of what precisely constitutes 'oppression' of and 'aggression' or 'persecution' against Muslims and thus, in their eyes, is regarded as a casus belli.

'95 Other Things That Fuel Muslim Extremism'

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2006/10/fitzgerald-95-things-that-fuel-muslim-extremism.html

And ex-Muslim Abul Kasem's brilliantly sarcastic essay, 'When is Islam Oppressed?"

http://www.islam-watch.org/AbulKasem/IslamOppressed.htm

Abul Kasem begins by citing the ipsissima verba of a Muslim cleric in Australia - "I am telling you that my religion doesn't tolerate other religion. It doesn't tolerate. The only one law which needs to be spread, it can be here or anywhere else has to be Islam."

[ABC (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) interview with Abdul Nacer Benbrika (Abu Bekr), the spiritual leader of the Victorian terror cell suspect). The daily Telegraph, Sydney, November 10, 2005, p.31].

And elsewhere in the article, Abul Kasem explains that - "Any action, activity, remark, gesture, word/s, sound, utterance, look, manner, habit, conduct, style and so on, which are not in conformity with Islamic precepts are considered as blasphemous or 'waging war'."

Finally, to show just how very, very difficult it is for the non-Muslim world to avoid upsetting Muslims and causing them to fly into a violent rage, 'The List of Things That Offend Muslims' -

http://amboytimes.typepad.com/the_amboy_times/2007/02/the_list_of_thi.html

The author begins by explaining -

"The intent of the list is to illustrate the futility of the multicultural approach to Islam.

"Sharia law demands submission not only from Muslims, but from non-Muslims as well.
"This makes respectful coexistence nearly impossible with Muslims in Infidel lands.

"The examples below serve as reminder that submitting to one complaint or another only emboldens Muslims to seek to further their ultimate goal of establishing sharia." END QUOTE.

The behaviour of the Muslim gestalt is eerily reminiscent of the behaviour of the abusive spouse or parent or boss, whose subordinates tiptoe round him in terror lest he explode; and no matter how much they appease, flatter, and cater to his every whim, it will *never* be good enough; there will always be *something* to trip his hypersensitive switch from 'simmer' to 'explode'.


:

The fact of the matter is that throughout the last 1,700 years of 'Christian' domination in Europe (and until after the second world war), many Jews in Europe sadly had a very poor opinion of Christ and of Christianity because of the things that were done to Jews in the name of Christ by 'the Church' and by various political leaders allied to 'the Church'.

If the Jews had drawn caricatures and cartoons immediately after the second world war of Jesus which showed Jesus as a Nazi soldier pointing a gun at a Jew saying, "Jesus told me to kill you", they would have been excused for it - because 'Christian' anti-semitism and 'Christian' anti-semites themselves had drawn those pictures in the mind of many Jews.

Likewise, it's the Muslims themselves who have drawn the unflattering Muhammad cartoons which now find expression in Facebook and various newspapers, and they have drawn these cartoons by their own attitudes, actions and reactions in the minds of all non-Muslims - atheist, Hindu, Christian, Buddhist and Jew alike.

But Jesus never taught His followers to do the evil things that have been done in His name.

Muhammad,on the other hand, through his own teaching in the Qur'an, himself did a very good job of drawing the unflattering cartoons and caricatures of Muhammad we have now seen finding expression in Facebook, in various newspapers, and all over the place.

It's absurd that the Muslims protest about the cartoons and caricatures of Muhammad which they themselves (and Muhammad himself) having been drawing for the last 1,400 years.

The good thing, and the bad thing, about US policy is it shifts around faster than a vacillating politician can steal a vote...Under Rasool Obama, the US gov is suffering from willful and deliberate mental retardation, where reality is to be shunned and replace with childhood wish fulfillment fantasy...But this will shift...People do not like juveniles
running anything, especially governments...November will start a new shift away from childishness, and toward adult governance...It's possible Rasool will be gone before then, the pressure on him is mounting...

"there's a perception in the region that the US is supporting corrupt, brutal, and harsh regimes, and is blocking democratization and development"

This is one example of what happens when the US backs Islamic "democracy".

"An Afghan parliamentary official has called for the public execution of Christian converts from Islam following a television report that raised the suspicion of proselytizing and resulted in the suspension of two Christian aid organizations."

So when the US tries to support the free will of Muslims it then has to:

"The U.S. government must intervene to protect the religious freedoms and human rights of all Afghans. The U.S. is not a mere outside bystander but is closely intertwined within Afghan policy. Intervention is not a choice but a responsibility, as Afghan policies reflect the U.S. government's ability and commitment to secure a stable government in Afghanistan."


http://www.sbcbaptistpress.org/BPnews.asp?ID=33054

Seems the free will of Muslims is in direct conflict with "the religious freedoms and human rights of all Afghans".

"Islam is an ideological engine of war (Jihad)," concludes the sensitive Pentagon briefing paper. And "no one is looking for its off switch."
"on the domestic front, the Pentagon briefing draws perhaps its most disturbing conclusions." As a muslim population grows and gains more influence, so will terrorism in a three-phase attack strategy:
1 "Meccan, or weakened, period, whereby a small Muslim minority asserts itself through largely peaceful and political measures involving Islamic NGOs."
2 "preparation phase, a "reasonably influential" Muslim minority starts to turn more militant. The briefing uses Britain and the Netherlands as examples."
3 "Medina Stage, a large minority uses its strength of numbers and power to rise up against the majority, as Muslim youth recently demonstrated in terrorizing France"

When we bring Muslims into our Democratic Republic:

Abdul Rauf:

“Current governments are unjust and do not follow Islamic laws.” He added “New laws were permitted after the death of Muhammad, so long of course that these laws do not contradict the Quran or the Deeds of Muhammad…so they create institutions that assure no conflicts with Shariah.”

“Throughout my discussions with contemporary Muslim theologians, it is clear an Islamic state can be established in more then just a single form or mold. It can be established through a kingdom or a democracy. The important issue is to establish the general fundamentals of Shariah that are required to govern. It is known that there are sets of standards that are accepted by [Muslim] scholars to organize the relationships between government and the governed.”


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asyJZWly8ok&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyExaO4jzD0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yh4mi2Ea_7o

Small re-wording for commentary about freedom in Afghanistan:

"The U.S. government must intervene to protect the religious freedoms and human rights of all Americans. The U.S. is not a mere outside bystander but is closely intertwined within American policy. Intervention is not a choice but a responsibility, as American policies reflect the U.S. government's ability and commitment to secure a stable government in America."



See this video...I guarantee two things, all you peace loving kufr will love it, and it will cause Jon and Jonathan to bleed from the ears...Haha...

Top of page...


http://www.islam-watch.org/

DefenderofIslam is a true example of why the U.S. and the E.U. will never rid themselves of this demon Islam by pacifying them.

"The EU and US are both trying to improve their relations with Muslim communities as part of broader efforts to reduce radicalisation and terrorist recruitment in their own countries."

Do they honestly believe that this will stop the training of jihadists within their borders?
The "jihad is on".
Strength in government is the only way it will be defeated. Peaceniks think the cure is peace with Islam.
Peace is the worst thing you can play with when it comes to jihad.
They are trained to take advantage of every opportunity to overthrow a government.
History tells us this. For 1400 plus years they have used peaceful notions to achieve their aims.
The West has forgotten history, or just refuses to recognize it, and has fallen for their trap.

Champ the law you quotes do no good if than large majority of the people donot recognite and acpect those laws as legal in the first place. I believe that civil trail of OJ was not only illegality but inmortal then the judge will have all of his case revied by than special panel of people.
The people on that panel will have all of juries votes review by than special panel also and cannot ever service on than jury again.

Champ quotesing laws is meanless if than majority of the people donot recognite then as valid laws and they willnot obsey those laws.

What's a 'donot recognite'?

So, Champ, you'd better start than recogniting and acpecting or you will be on than immortal trail and be (than) revied! Well, than?

BTW, if you enjoy good satire, click on Eleanor Ruth's Typepad Blog for, "Emotions High
as Nazis Bury Remagen Dead." ;-)

DefenderofIslam | June 4, 2010 9:15 AM |

Champ quotesing laws is meanless if than majority of the people donot recognite then as valid laws and they willnot obsey those laws.

DoI, I beg of you! Please look up the word "than" in a dictionary!!!!!

DefilerofInglesh ...

Siding with lawlessness is what I would expect from an evil mohammedan like you, SofA.

"OJ was not only illegality but inmortal"

LOL! You stupid deluded illiterate Muslim. Get out of our civilized country NOW.

"...all some can do is milk the 9/11 trough"

You're evil. Evil through and through. Enjoy yourself in Hell with your false prophet Mass-Murderer Muhammed, Evil al-Jonathan.

Hey George ...Well I can't have that, it sounds too painful, lol :)

Jonathan wrote:

A key role in the E.U. [for Turkey] could be as much about security and family first.
...................

"Family first"? You mean like this?:

"Girl buried alive in honor killing in Turkey"

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/02/girl-buried-alive-in-honor-killing-in-turkey.html

Ah, those Islamic "family values". What could Europe possibly be more in need of? Well, maybe this sort of "security":

"Catholic bishop stabbed to death in Turkey"

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/06/catholic-bishop-stabbed-to-death-in-turkey.html

Throw in Fethullah Gülen, the IHH, and continued denial of the Armenian genocide, and I don't see how Turkey could be more of an asset for EU membership...sarc/off

Like everything in our current PC land of make-believe, this reasoning is also ass-backwards. Somehow the idea that Obamanomics might have something to do with this has occurred to me. It probably has to do with the ass-kissing U. S. and U.K. liberals wanting to remain on the relatively lenient side of the mideast because of oil interests. Its always about a corrupt and convenient way to maintain a profitable liaison with other world leaders who also intend to diminish citizens' individual power.

You're right, Kim! ..."Jonathan" is evil, and evil mohammedan troll PRETENDING to be a Christian.

champ : You're right, Kim!

Is there a chance you two could address the arguments posed rather than behave like pre-teen girls on your first sleep-over?

This forum was once a place to exchange ideas and support each other in the fight against islam.

F O C U S

I am focused, QE ...grow up and stop nitpicking.

You're right, Kim! ..."Jonathan" is evil, an evil mohammedan troll PRETENDING to be a Christian.

Actually, QE ...

Your comments are the problem here, not mine. You are not being very considerate of other readers by creating unnecessary drama. No one else wants to read your inane attacks on me -- especially since you and I are suppose to be on the same team!

Stick to targetting the enemy: islam and company, not fellow fighters against islam and jihad. Can you do that?

You and I have been over this before, and I have been posting on JW for over 6 years now, and I am NOT going away -- so maybe it's time you simply ignored my comments, because I am more than likely to rub you the wrong way again. Stop micromanaging my comments.

"This forum was once a place to exchange ideas and support each other in the fight against islam."

Maybe you should follow your own advice and support Kim and I, instead of tearing us down with your snide remarks.

Well, champ, in the interest of harmony I'll let that one go.

Here, try this old joke reworked:

Two young boys are playing street hockey in Gaza when one is attacked by a rabid Rottweiler. Thinking quickly, the other boy takes his stick and wedges it down the dog's collar and twists, breaking the dog's neck.

A member of the MSM who is looking for a story happens to see the incident and rushes over to the boy.

"Young Hamas Hero Saves Friend from Vicious Animal," he starts writing in his notebook.

"But I'm not with Hamas," the little hero replied.

"Sorry, since we are in Gaza, I just assumed you were," said the reporter, and he began writing again.

"Junior Islamic Jihad Member Rescues Pal from Horrific Attack," he continued writing in his notebook.

"I'm not with Islamic Jihad either," the boy said, confused.

"I assumed everyone in Gaza was either for Hamas or the Islamic Jihad? Which martyrs group are you a member of?" inquired the reporter.

"Actually, none. I'm a just a Jewish kid from Tel Aviv helping hand out aid with my parents" the child responded.

The reporter turned the page in his notebook and wrote "Little Zionist Bastard from the Occupied Territories Kills Beloved Family Pet."

Ok, well thank you, QE. I guess an apology would be asking too much. And Kim and I are friends, so I make no apology for that.

Also -- I pray for you, and I pray for many posters here on JW often. I hope your knowing that means that we can at least be friendly to one another on this forum for everyone's sake.

Take care, and good night ...

What's your problem, you bully? You pay attention to yourself, misogynist. You school-boy bully.

You "focus" on yourself, instead of deliberately attacking me and champ - who the hell do you think you are? You're a thread-destroyer, that's who you are. Go and attack others with your arrogant and snide personal insults, since such attacks obviously float your narcissistic boat.

Hi champ - thanks for letting me know about the schoolyard bully.

Kim : What's your problem, you bully?

Read my post again, it's very clear. I have an issue with you and champ behaving as if this is some kind of church social and I simply requested you stick to the topic and not derail and/or pad a thread with childish 'buddy-posts'.

You both fail to see that you fill every thread on JW with mutual admiration twaddle and insult contrary posters rather than argue your position.

Where do you get 'misogynist' from my posts? What a horrible thing to accuse someone of. Arrogant and snide I can live with.

I have an email from director@jihadwatch.org stating 'This is not a Christian site.' so try to remember that when you post. Everyone has a right to their opinion and you have no right to throw insults at those who don't embrace your fantasy world.

Go scr*w yourself you arrogant bully. Misogynist.

champ & Kim,

"Stop micromanaging my comments."

First, I suspect Q_E wouldn't indulge in such micromanagement, if you and Kim were agnostic/atheists (or good dhimmis to Secularism). So this is a red herring.

Secondly, the amount and degree of religiosity represented by your comments and exchanges is easily minimal enough so that any rational secularist (as oppposed to the dogmatic and irrational secularist) would find them harmless. What Q_E is doing here is essentially analogous to the hypersensitive over-reaction of the atheists who demanded that a sculpture of the Ten Commandments be physically removed from a courthouse -- when the sculpture was just a harmless symbolic nod to a historical heritage and probably hardly anyone using the courthouse even noticed it.

That hypersensitivity which I have noticed most atheists carry like a giant chip on their shoulder is particularly poignantly inapt, considering our overwhelmingly secular society: e.g., that courthouse issue I mentioned above occurred in Alabama, no less -- and the atheist demand was dutifully satisfied! In a society where even the rednecks of the Deep South step-and-fetch-it for the demanding secularists, Q_E hardly has any legs to stand on. He should pipe down about religion in general when not only is there only one "religion" causing misery and mayhem in the world today through its followers following it: this site is dedicated to that one "religion" and not religions in general.

Q_E should follow his own advice, and

F O C U S

So, in effect, the U.S. and EU are pledging to support the Muslim religion? Are Muslims expected to renounce all the violent, dominating, supremacists parts of Islam (i.e. the older Suras) in order to come under such support and protection? I don't see any reasonable limitations whatsoever on a political ideology that demands dominance and the imposition of Shariah (Islamic) law on Muslims and non-Muslims alike. In the U.S., you are even free to be a satan-worshiper and belong to The (satanic) Brotherhood, which ceremonies include human sacrifice, but if you actually commit crimes (i.e. murder) you can still be prosecuted as a criminal. However, the goal of global jihad is to force all countries to submit to Shariah law. This is an evil subversion of freedom that we need to circumvent, not accommodate.

Thanks, Hesp! ...and I completely agree with you :)

The Spanish minister should have declared the loyalty of the parliaments, governments and the vast majority of the citizens to the 5 pillars of Democracy; Elections, Constitutional State, Separation of Church and State, Autonomy of the Individual man AND woman, Freedom of Speech.

He should have said that a part of Islam is anti-democratic. And intolerant. And very probably causing anti-democratic violence. He should have said that choosing for Islam at least makes a person untrustworthy for democracy and eligible for scrutiny in stated and practiced loyalties. Neutrality to democracy may be excused but siding with it's known enemies should be considered treason and sedition.

In the face of ever higher knowledge of Islam and the interpretations and practices of so many Muslims, it is Muslims in Democratic countries that have a problem with trustworthyness and credibility in connection with loyalty.

Contrary to what so many moonbat Islamophiles believe and to what Mohammedans are quite happy for them to misunderstand and to continue to STUPIDLY believe 'Allahu Akbar' does NOT mean God is Great it means "MY God is the GREATEST" which is a horse of a completely different colour.
If THEIR God is the GREATEST then that means there MUST be other LESSER Gods thus admitting Islams POLYTHEIST Pagan roots. It also shows Islams TRIUMPHALISM and competitive nature as it seeks the be he GREATEST not the most just the most merciful you note but the GREATEST.

Yes indeed "Allahu Akbar" says a great deal about Islam and also the HYPOCRISY of its followers and the sublime STUPIDITY of the moonbat Western Islamophile apologists.

Realist,

You are correct about two points:

1) the Akbar reflects a henotheism, not a monotheism -- which is supremely ironic, considering how murderously obsessed with tawheed Muslims are;

and

2) the Akbar also reflects the essential supremacism of Islam.

However, I believe the word Akbar is not the superlative form of the adjective, but the comparative form: i.e., should be translated as "greater", not "greatest". This, needless to say, does nothing to vitiate the two points above.

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