"The Islamic Center of Murfreesboro 's plans call for a 52,000-sq. ft. facility that would include a pool, gym, and school in addition to a mosque."
But only Islamophobes could wonder who's paying for it all. Only Islamophobes could think there's something odd about a mega-mosque in a town of 100,000 in middle Tennessee. And so this story makes every effort to make the locals who are opposed to it look like narrow-minded, reactionary xenophobes who jest plain don't cotton to people with different beliefs -- that's all it could be.
"Plan for Mosque in Tennessee Town Draws Criticism from Residents," by Bradley Blackburn for ABC News, June 18:
A plan to build an Islamic community center in the middle-Tennessee town of Murfreesboro sparked an eruption of ugly criticism on Thursday from some residents who don't want a mosque built in their backyard.
More than 600 people turned out for a meeting of the Rutherford County Commission Thursday night, with some sharing their opposition in public comments that at times turned intolerant.
"We have a duty to investigate anyone under the banner of Islam," Allen Jackson, the pastor of World Outreach Church, said at the meeting.
The implication: Jackson has no possible reason to object to the mosque except as pastor of World Outreach Church.
The Islamic Center of Murfreesboro 's plans call for a 52,000-sq. ft. facility that would include a pool, gym, and school in addition to a mosque. The center has had a facility in Murfreesboro since 1997, but says that with over 250 Islamic families in the community, it needs more space.
A whole lot of space, apparently.
"It is not a huge mosque as they are saying," said Imam Ossama Bahloul. "This place is too small for us and we have to move."
Murfreesboro has a population of just over 100,000, according the the U.S. Census Bureau. It is about 30 miles southeast of Nashville.
Would enough Music City Muslims even commute on a regular basis to fill the place?
Some at the Thursday meeting wore religious or patriotic-themed clothing, and no one defended the plan in two hours of public comments, the Tennessean newspaper reported.
"They seem to be against everything that I believe in, and so I don't want them necessarily in my neighborhood spreading that type of comment," said one man at the meeting.
Tracey Steven, who also attended, said, "Our country was founded through the founding fathers -- through the true God, the Father and Jesus Christ."
Some Cite Traffic, Housing Values as Concerns
Others opposed to the plan did so for more practical reasons, citing concerns about the effects on traffic and housing values. The mosque would be built in a primarily residential area.
"I was very surprised they would approve of that for any religion," said resident Jackie Archer.
Despite the outrage, county officials said Thursday that the plan will go ahead. They defended their decision by noting that the mosque plan met zoning requirements and it is illegal to reject a project for religious reasons....
Only Islamophobes could think there's something odd about a mega-mosque in a town of 100,000 in middle Tennessee.
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It's a beach head. Build it and they will come.
"The center ... says that with over 250 Islamic families in the community, it needs more space."
Well, they do have big families; we could be talking about 3000 people or so; and they've got to have room to do the full kowtow.
52,000 sq ft mosque in Tennessee? Maybe Elvis is alive and living as a secret Muslim.
Then reject it for political, social, military and economic reasons because the Islamic ideology rolls them all up into one convenient package and none of these elements can be separated from the others in Islam. The fact that for 14 centuries it has paraded as a "religion" is the penultimate manifestation of the wolf in sheep's clothing.
It's not surprising that ABC portrayed locals opposed to the mega mosque as xenophobes since it's a liberal news mouthpiece.
And I'm sure the musulmen bribed the County Commission as well to get the ok. Because there was no way without a bribe such a monstrosity would have been permitted.
52,000 square feet -- isn't that about the size of Algore's mansion?
There's your petro dollar at work.
You guys are funding your own demise!
Everytime you fill up your car you are funding another mosque.
Ladies and gentlemen
I clicked on the link and went to the original story, and am currently perusing the comments section. There are 993 comments so far ...and counting, comments still seem to be open as far as I can see. From what I've read so far, I think the 'Utterly Clueless' and the 'Apologists for Islam' (most of whom, I suspect, are Mohammedan taqiyya artists hiding under 'american' names) are in the majority, peddling all the same predictable four or five 'arguments' that we hear from their ilk in this forum; but there is a fair sprinkling of Islamosavvy comment in there too. Not everybody is hypnotised!
You may like to hop on over and swell the numbers of the Awake and Aware.
The fact that the county officials approved this dump they are going to build, speaks volumes to their stupidity, and their selling out of our country. What will it take to halt this invasion by the loyal goons of islam.
Thinking clearly about the face of America, one has to know the threat faced, not only by islam, but by government officials who are obviously being paid illegally for their support.
What a shame that every part of America, that the muslims invade, becomes ruined. No rational American would want a mosque in their neighborhood, or even a muslim community nearby. The threat to the community is obvious.
What an absolute shame that we as a country are letting the muslim hordes into our country. Then once they arrive, they start to ban together to create small mini muslim networks, all in plain view.
Am not that religious myself, but the article states that our nation was built basically on Christian beliefs. There is more truth to that statement, we were certainly not built on islamic beliefs. The two are not compatible, and one day there will be a reckoning. In the end true Americans will win the day. Muslims and Islam, are not designed for peace, and both muslims and the islamic religion, tear down and poison the national fabric of every country they immigrate to.
Why do we let these ivaders in our country.
I noticed a couple of things:
1. This sounds a lot like the mosque plans in New York. A huge facility, which sounds like it's out of proportion to the demand for it, more to make a mark on the landscape than anything else;
2. Pools, gyms, and whatnot in addition to the actual house of worship.
They don't seem to be asking to build just a mosque, but a community center. How much over budget will it be at the end?
It seems 52,000 square feet is a little much for just 250 families. They are quite literally chewing up the landscape while they're at it. Couldn't damage to the environment be enough reason to turn it down?
I guess you're not allowed to say no to Muslims these days.
How many more of these huge multiplexes are they going to build around the country? Is that the plan, start with the one in NY and then in TN and then they'll be popping up like dandelions? I only hope no one's planning one of these for the area where I live. Maybe it's not too late.
GRAVEN IMAGE: "It's a beach head. Build it and they will come."
I have a friend who lives in Falls Church, Va, where a mega-mosque was opened in the early 90s. She tells me that the huge apartment complex across the street - once with a typically diverse population - now is largely Muslim. The same goes for nearby houses and apartments.
It's frigg'n heart-breaking. Muslims are expanding their presence everywhere in the States, at the very time they're busy cleansing their own realm of non-Muslims.
"It's frigg'n heart-breaking. Muslims are expanding their presence everywhere in the States, at the very time they're busy cleansing their own realm of non-Muslims."
Just like Sockholm, Brussel, Rotterdam, London, Malmo, Berlin, Nice, Marseilles, Paris..etc. etc.
People, in connection with the subject of this thread, please take a gander at this article in the "Tennessean":
"Kroger pulls weekly Rutherford Reader over "hate rhetoric"
http://www.tennessean.com/article/20100619/NEWS01/6190323/Kroger+pulls+weekly++Rutherford+Reader++over++hate+rhetoric+
The "hate rhetoric" being, of course, the truth about Islam.
A Muslim says this in the article:
"If the paper had contacted the mosque or a religion expert, the paper would have learned that Islam calls on Muslims to abide by the law of the land in which they live, Kattih said."
Now, what's wrong with that statement?
"Despite the outrage, county officials said Thursday that the plan will go ahead."
Looks like, as usual, the officials have already been suitably placated.
"They defended their decision by noting that the mosque plan met zoning requirements and it is illegal to reject a project for religious reasons...."
The mosque must be opposed for political reasons. A Mosque is never equal to a Church or a Temple, it is much more than that. It is time that the affected residents start to question its political agenda, demand transparency in its funding.
The influence of easy petro dollars, unfortunately, has burdened the innocent and peace loving residents to do the job of what the so called country officials are supposed to do.
A Muslim says this in the article:
"If the paper had contacted the mosque or a religion expert, the paper would have learned that Islam calls on Muslims to abide by the law of the land in which they live, Kattih said."
Now, what's wrong with that statement?
What is it going to take to STOP this? I don't mean "if" and "when," but WHAT? They're breeding mosques faster than little jihadis--right here in America where muslims shouldn't be in the first place. Nobody in his right-mind wants a bastion of crime and subversion in his neighborhood! How do we beat them at this? Really, someone please tell me there's a way...
I had a go at posting a comment at the ABC News site but...being Australian, I don't have a zip code...so, seems, no deal. They don't have any provision for non-Americans, folks from a foreign country.
Anyway.
Here's what I wanted to post. Can somebody else here, who is an American, and who maybe is already signed up to post at that particular news website, put it in there, on my behalf?
"Want to know why people who know what Islam really is, don't want the mosque?
"Joseph Schacht, in his An Introduction to Islamic Law (1982), sums up Islam thus: "The basis of the Islamic attitude towards unbelievers is the law of war: they must be either converted, or subjugated, or killed". He's right. Quran Surah 9: 29 says: "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor in the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book [i.e. Jews and Christians], until they pay the jizya [aka ‘protection money’] with willing submission and feel themselves subdued”.
I have read the Quran and some of the Sira (canonical life of Mohammed: btw, did you know Mohammed raped captured women?) and some of the Hadith, or authoritative traditions. The Hadith tell us Mohammed wedded Aisha when she was six...and bedded her when she turned nine; and guess what, child marriage - to prepubescent or barely-pubescent girls, and sex with those child 'wives' - is still practised in many Muslim lands, e.g. Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Afghanistan, Somalia, Iran...
Surah 48: 29 shows that Islam doesn't have the Golden Rule. Muslims are nice to one another, but DON'T have to be nice to non-Muslims. ""Muhammad is Allah's Apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another". Got that? There are lots of verses, too, telling Muslims NOT TO BEFRIEND non-Muslims, except temporarily and feigningly, to protect themselves from us. Until they are strong enough, not to have to pretend...Quran 3: 28 - "Let believers [Muslims] not take for friends and allies infidels [non-Muslims] instead of believers. Whoever does this shall have no relationship left with Allah — unless you but guard yourselves against them, taking precautions” (other verses referenced in support of taqiyya include 2:173, 2:185, 4:29, 16:106, 22:78, 40:28)."
END.
I also urge that one of our number, at least, should put in a comment that cites the exact verbatim text, with chapter and verse, of the Bukhari Hadith that prescribes killing those who apostasise from Islam - "Whoever changes his religion [i.e. leaves Islam], kill him"; then mention one or two concrete examples of apostates who have been threatened, or killed, and mention the two main scholarly studies of Islam's treatment of apostates - Samuel Zwemer's 'Law of Apostasy in Islam' and Patrick Sookhdeo's 'Freedom to Believe: Challenging Islam's Apostasy Law'. Because if people get curious, and google names and book titles, they'll get one hell of a shock.
All the soft soap and flim-flam in the world can't hide the plain fact that Islam is exactly like the mafia: try to leave it and you're in real danger of ending up dead, dead, dead.
"Europe is in a predicament, and so is America. They should agree to become Islamic in the course of time, or else declare war on the Muslims."
(Libyan leader Muammar al-Gaddafi 10 April 2006)
You're a better woman than I. I'd take a page from the Blues Brothers and use Wrigley Field's.
dda - Is the following true, or is the Mohammedan lyin' his ... off?
"If the paper had contacted the mosque or a religion expert, the paper would have learned that Islam calls on Muslims to abide by the law of the land in which they live, Kattih said."
I think that what we've got there, is kithman, reservation, telling only part of the truth in a misleading way. Abide by the law of the land, suure; but what he adds, under his breath, or mentally, is the rest, "until strong enough to ignore it".
Here's an article from the 'Times Online', September 8 2007, by Andrew Norfolk, on the teaching of a prominent Deobandi Islamic 'scholar', one Taqi Usmani:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece
"Our followers ‘must live in peace until strong enough to wage jihad".
'Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani argues that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, **only until they gain enough power to engage in battle** {my emphasis - dda}.'
A beach head for what? A takeover of Tennessee? Have you ever been to Tennessee, I doubt Muslims could ever take it over.
Dumbles,
I posted your concise and to the point comments, at the site, under "debdave".
Hope you and your extensive family are doing well Downunder, as I have not corresponded with you for awhile.
I have thought about contacting you from time to time about collaborating on another leaflet about Islam. The subject would be to illustrate how Islam is in direct opposition to the basic core foundations of Western Civilization. Namely, Truth, Freedom and the Girl Next Door. The leaflet should include brief, direct quotes from the Qur’an and applicable, well known Hadith.
I am greatly impressed with your writing style and ability to make a clear argument. I would very much like to see what you would produce when space is very limited and the subject is complex.
Give it some thought and let me know if you are interested.
Warmest regards,
Dave
Hey, perhaps we should begin arranging for a string of christian "community centers" in the larger cities of Egypt. Or even The Emirates or Saudi Arabia.
I am sure there will be no problems with local zoning permissions, and a spirit of interfaith good-will and dialogue shall prevaill.
ha ha, oh dear.
"The mosque would be built in a primarily residential area."
Of course it is. The purpose of the mosque is to Islamize the neighborhood, not cater to the trivial number of Muslims that would attend services there.
Thank you so much, Dave.
We are all keeping well.
I like your idea for another leaflet; I will email to discuss.
Until islamic countries willingly permit the building of Christian churches, not one mosque should be permitted to be built in the US, UK or western Europe.. We are crazy to allow this sort of thing.
That's what I thought. Thanks for replying and the link.
I am atheist, but I always wondered, why the heck Christians never tried to ruin mosques and build churches on its ruins. It would be interesting to make this tradition widespread and watch Middle East Arabs reaction for wasted investments... Hahahahahaa, it would be such a big kick in their asses and then, like Russia, to ask for reciprocity, if they want mosque in west, they need to allow building church or Hindu or whatever other temple on their ground and show us how their religion is peaceful. Lets dare them to do that. It would be a fair trade.
C'mon people, the mosque will be a multi-faith centre, devoted to community cohesion, and to bring people of different faiths together.
Will Islamophobia never end?
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It will, once Muslims have been shown the door
"If the paper had contacted the mosque or a religion expert, the paper would have learned that Islam calls on Muslims to abide by the law of the land in which they live, Kattih said."
Now, what's wrong with that statement?
One thing wrong about that statement is that it is locating the source of the obligation to abide by the law of the land in Islam, not in the government. Now, I know that many Christians feel this way too -- they abide by the law because they believe God tells them to, not because they have a vested sense of allegiance in the land and the human laws of which they are participants. How do we differentiate between the two?
This attitude varies from Christian to Christian, and from denomination to denomination. It is most starkly apparent among Jehovah's Witnesses, who even if heterodox derive their views from the Bible and heterodox currents flowing out of the Reformation. I personally don't mind my society containing any religious people who feel this way about the laws of the land, so long as their beliefs do not also entail violence, supremacism and expansionism.
I hope all who visit here will read the comments by dumbledoresarmy. He is well read on the history, traditions, and subterfuge practiced by Islam. I am a Marine vet and many military vets I have talked to say the same things generally about Muslims; thay lie steal, and cheat, and cannot be trusted. For years I thought these ideas were just the normal grumblings of unhappy GI's but now I know their perceptions were close to the truth! My study of Islam leads me to the same conclusions!
God Bless America and Semper Fi
Dwight,
Thanks for your service buddy; I am a vet also – Viet Nam era, Army.
You are right on target with your comments on the posts by dumbledoresarmy, they are always well thought out and some of the best on this site.
For your information, Dumbles is a girl, and a grandmother. She’s a crackerjack trooper and quite a pleasure to have in the foxhole with us, don’t you think?
Here's a likely example of the Pregnancy Plan of the Muslim Brotherhood. Creating an over-sized facility, unwarranted by prevailing community numbers and advancing it as a political measure in "LAWFARE".
I maintain, I shout and scream actually, that communities must pay attention to the most simple of easements and tampering of municipal ordnances. The have a longer life than just the locus of the immediate jurisdiction. These issues travel. They become arguable precedents that itinerant anti-discrimination bench-jocks haul about in their kits.
Sure, they'll offer all kinds of "bennies", local splash time, crafting and, oh yes, cultural programs in cooking, costumes and manners. Oh, Yes. Don't worry, your local library won't be neglected - "Marion the Librarian" may even get censoring tips.
Maybe it's part of "Syash" or "Wassitiyya", but I see it as "LAWFARE" by seduction, subversion and sedition. (The latter two 'Americana' can't seem to - or worse; elects to -recognize.
When I hear about one of these mega mosques being built, I feel as if the U.S. is a huge ship that just got slammed with a missile.
Thank both of you for your service--I was raised as a Muslim (my mother being a white convert) but apostasized in my early 20s but held out renouncing Islam publicly out of fear of reprisal (I lived in a Muslim country)--after 9/11, I cut off any residual ties with Islam and in '03 joined the US Army and was deployed to Iraq twice-so I already knew the fultility of the invasion--but I wanted to feel like I was participating in the fight against Islam--this is a good forum--I feel like I am not alone in my absolute hatred and fear of Islam--I was on the inside, so I have a unique persepective-take any oppurtunity you can to enlighten the people about Islam, to spread the anti-Islam--it may sound hyperbolic, but it is a Manichaean struggle for the continued existence of the human race as we know it.
Global jihadists see Nashville as the "heart" of the U.S. If they build a mega-mosque (i.e. house of war), near Nashville, it is to prepare for Nashville's conquest.
Dumbledore's Army wrote:
I had a go at posting a comment at the ABC News site but...being Australian, I don't have a zip code...so, seems, no deal. They don't have any provision for non-Americans, folks from a foreign country.
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You can feel free to use my zip code any time, DDA—94611. I believe you can find zip codes from the United States Postal Service site, as well—if you would like to find a zip code in the North Carolina area, instead.
I am not suggesting you misrepresent yourself. You can just write as a concerned party, with no geographical reference—or you can make it clear in the body of the text—if you so desire—that you are writing from Australia.
Yes this is a beach head. I have no clue what the Muslims will do for real work to make real money in the real world out in Murfreesboro Tennessee. Maybe they have so much foreign money this is not a factor. But I'm sure no one will hassle them when they kill their own goats and sheep in such a rural area. I see a halal slaughterhouse in Murfreesboro's future if this mega-mosque is built
Tennessee is a low tax state and has people of all kinds moving there. Muslims come from the deserts and the dry arid parts of the world. Allah is the perfect dictator for such ungiving terrains and Muhammad emulates the Allah he invented. Muslims crave the green lands of Europe and Tennessee
"The center ... says that with over 250 Islamic families in the community, it needs more space."
How about reducing the number of families to, say, 12? Or seven? That would solve the problem of space most effectively from day to day.
"I hope all who visit here will read the comments by dumbledoresarmy. He is well read on the history, traditions, and subterfuge practiced by Islam."
Dumbles is a she. And yes we all read her Comments, very well-read.
We have a duty to investigate anyone under the banner of Islam...
NOW THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!
*** 92:8 ***
And Mo had his boys fly a black flag when they went about their bidness of attacking and robbing and killing and raping and kidnapping and slaving and all the stuff they did on a routine basis.
*** 8:39 ***
Kinda like that Black Flag roach spray, but with a Moslem twist on it.
I drive through this area of Tennessee a lot and it is really a suburb of Nashville. In Nashville, there is an up and coming Muslim community--probably tied to Vanderbilt. Recently, a mosque in Nashville had some graffiti painted on it. The "Tennessean" newspaper ran a story and many religious leaders (Christians) got together with the mosque's leadership (who also teach "religion" at Vanderbilt) and made a public statement condemning the graffiti. I think the Christians went to the mosque and washed off the grafitti.
So a mosque in the Murfreesboro area has a ready-made community not too far away and also is rather "under the radar" to promote more muslims to come to the area. Once the headlines die down, no one will pay attention to a growing muslim community in rural Tennessee.
"I think the Christians went to the mosque and washed off the graffiti."
Yep, terrible. Especially since the Mohammedans' did the graffiti. As I recall, it was a Christian cross that is popular in Eritrea and other Christian communities near Somalia.
Near Somalia. Get it? Only a person from that area of the world would be familiar with this particular Christian cross.
Of course the Somalis' did the graffiti. And then they got the Dhimmi Christians and Jews of Nashville to come and clean it. I was shocked by the stupidity of the citizens of Nashville as seen by the comments on the "Tennessean." Truly shocked.
Oh yeah the Nashville slaves-to-Islam are at the ready to bow and kowtow to their Muslim Masters'. I'm sure the Murfreesboro mosk will be built no problema. And anyone who opposes it is, you know, a "hater."
This is another form of Jihad.....
The Muhammadian Muslim produce like
rats....with 250 muslims men taking
4 wives plus 4 concubine and in 3 years
time you will have 96,000 muslims haven
count immigration of muslims from outside
Murfreesboro...
By the fifth year Murfreesboro will be MURFREESTAN..
the Flag of Texas will be Green in color....
To the people of Murfreesboro this your only
chance to stop the muslim now..enough is enough..
TO KILL A SNAKE IS TO CUT OFF THE HEAD...
NOT BEATING THE TAIL......
Dave
thank you for the compliments. I try.
However...not a grandmother yet, I do have to correct you there, I think there may be a confusion with another commenter.
I'm 46 - 47 in November - with four children aged 20, 16, 12 and 9. The elder two (one male, one female) are busy studying and haven't found soul-mates yet.
Sorry Dumbles,
Don’t know WHERE I got the idea that you had grandchildren.
One of the best things that has happened in my life is my grandson – but who knows what goes on inside grandpa’s head sometimes?
Thanks Kim for the details around the Nashville-muslim incident--I had forgotten. One of the problems is a lack of education of the people in Nashville around the dangers of islamization and an innate trust and goodness that the muslims will use to their benefit.
"The Mosques are our Barracks"
http://europenews.dk/en/node/33006
All I can say is learn Tennessee laws regarding self-defense. Exercise all available options while obeying them. If you live in the area, assume that you will eventually be targeted for organized harassment, and that if it does start that it will not stop so long as you remain. A gun notwithstanding, the best item you can obtain for yourself at this point is a pocket camcorder. That is because if you keep complaining to the police about what keeps happening to you, they will be able to paint you as a bigot unless you can deliver evidence, so you must have the means to record it on your person at all times when you are out in public.
As well-meaning as most of our law enforcement officers are, I would still advise never handing any recording over to them without first securing a copy.