Muqtedar Khan: Voice of hate

Another prominent "moderate" turns out to be something else. "Voice of Hate," by Jared Sorhaindo in FrontPageMagazine.com, June 28:

On June 17, Georgetown University held the event "Evangelicals & Muslims: Perspectives on Mission & Partnership" at its Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding. The last of its four panel discussions wrestled with the question: "Can Muslims and Christians be Partners in Reconciliation and Conflict Transformation?"

The crowd, at least 100 strong, consisted largely, if not exclusively, of professors and students. The panelists were Muqtedar Khan, professor of international relations at the University of Delaware and director of its Islamic Studies program; Louay Safi, of Indiana University and Purdue University; Chris Seiple, president of the Institute of Global Engagement; and David Shenk, a consultant for Eastern Mennonite Missions.

Khan, who spoke first, refused to appear on a 2007 academic panel with an IDF veteran who had served in the West Bank, yet somehow maintains a veneer of moderation. A fairly charismatic speaker, he got off the ground quickly by claiming a moral equivalence between Pat Robertson and Osama bin Laden. "We must condemn the extremists in our midst," he said, patting himself on the back for denouncing bin Laden. While Robertson has undoubtedly made controversial statements, comparing him with bin Laden, whose terrorist organization has murdered thousands of people in the United States and abroad, is appalling and absurd.

Khan labored to prove his ecumenical bona fides by asserting that evangelicals and Muslims are the two most marginalized groups in the United States. If one needs proof, he noted rather bizarrely, just look at the make-up of the U.S. Supreme Court, whose members represent neither group. Khan failed to note the obvious demographic error with his analogy: surveys indicate that evangelicals make up at least a quarter of the country's population (or over 70 million people), while reliable figures placed the Muslim population at about 1.4 million in 2008. The audience nodded and murmured with approval at this statistical sleight-of-hand.

And, of course, what's a panel discussion on religion without the gratuitous insertion of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict? In Khan's own words, "Muslims and Christians make up two-thirds of the world's population. What is a major, if not the major, thing they have in common?" Why, their "partnership in pain" under Israeli occupation. Evangelical Christians, Khan added, must reject the pro-Israel majority of their brethren, who, through their support of Israel, are helping to inflict the "greatest oppression that Muslims suffer." No mention was made of the pain of Palestinian Christians under their Muslim brethren, nor of the oppression suffered by Muslims at the hands of their co-religionists.

The other participants spent so much time speaking in general banalities and quoting from the Bible and the Quran on brotherhood, justice, peace, and love that they sounded more like imams or priests giving sermons than academics. The talk became annoying when moral equivalence was drawn between Muslim and evangelical fundamentalists. For example, according to Seiple, Muslims today are the "Samaritans of the Bible to the majority of evangelicals - we have not treated them with love and respect." This trope has long since grown tired.

Khan dropped his mask of moderation even more explicitly during the question and answer period. He initially claimed that one must "submit" and be humble in order for justice to prevail. Furthermore, justice is only something that God can provide; we humans are impotent. It wasn't long, however, before he blatantly contradicted himself: "How can we ask [the Palestinians] to forgive the Jews for what they have done? You cannot. There must be justice first." He argued strenuously that Israel's treatment of the Palestinians has had a "profound impact on Muslim psychology" and that all Muslims, particularly in Palestine, are powerless. That claim set up this apologia for violence: "The capacity for compassion comes with power" - in other words (of course he would not say this outright), because Islam is allegedly powerless, violence in its name is at least somewhat understandable....

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"On June 17, Georgetown University held the event "Evangelicals & Muslims: Perspectives on Mission & Partnership" at its Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding."

Anyone who attends anything there (except to "Know the enemy") is a doofus. Utterly clueless, and a Useful idiot for the Barbarians.

And I'm ashamed to say that I learned recently that assorted faculty members from my old high school attended a Propaganda Seminar [my description] with Evil Esposito back in March 2009.

I was shocked and horrified. These are faculty members who graduated from Georgetown and Harvard, for example. My God, when I think of them buying into the "al-Taqiyya" and then returning to the school to indoctrinate the students' I feel sick, sick and angry.

Not at all surprised. They always have these absurd comparisions & analogies. It would be funny,if it is not such a serious matter for the rest of mankind.
Their logic is also warped.

Kim is right. The Muqtedar Khans of this world has absurd logic & devoius & perverse comparisions, but why other sound minded, educated people fall prey to such devious plots? If one wants to attend such seminars, have the courage to speak the truth & not banalities.

...he got off the ground quickly by claiming a moral equivalence between Pat Robertson and Osama bin Laden. "We must condemn the extremists in our midst"
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I am, it must be noted, *no fan of Pat Robertson*. But to compare the man to the incandescently evil Osama bin Laden, who has plotted and had carried out the murder of thousands of innocent men, women, and children, is the most grotesque calumny.

More:

"How can we ask [the Palestinians] to forgive the Jews for what they have done?
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Here Muqtedar Khan doesn't even bother to blame Israeli or "Zionist" policy—he just goes straight for "the Jews".

More:

That claim set up this apologia for violence: "The capacity for compassion comes with power"
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Funny—that's not what Ghandi and Martin Luther King said.

To see how much "compassion" Infidels find from Muslims when they are in a position of power, just look to any Muslim-majority country throughout history.

The "compassion" Armenian Christians experienced in Muslim-majority Turkey comes to mind...

More, which goes on to prove the point:

No mention was made of the pain of Palestinian Christians under their Muslim brethren, nor of the oppression suffered by Muslims at the hands of their co-religionists.
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Very true. We have all seen how Christians—*especially evangelical Christians*—suffer under Muslim rule. Christians in the historical font of Christianity—Bethlehem, Nazareth, and the rest of the Holy Land—where they have lived for two millenia, are being driven out by 'West Bank'"Palestinians".

In 1948, Bethlehem was 80% Christian—today it is only 20% Christian. It is estimated that in the not-too-distant future, that all the Christians will have been driven out.

I sincerely hope most Evangelicals don't fall for Khan's blatant Taqiyya.

I am not at all surprised that another "moderate" Muslim turns out to be what he really is, that is a radical. Hate speech is a hallmark of Muslims learning it from quran and Mo/allah. It is as simple as that. There are is no moderate Islam and there are no moderate Muslims. They are all radical and true Muslims and just don't show their real colors until it is too burdensome for them to be pretending moderate Muslims.

Anyway what is a moderate Muslim - is he the one who does s believe in Quran only partially, i.e., he disregards the hate speech and vile orders of Mo/allah in it. But if he does not believe in Quran in entirety then he is not a Muslim. Period!!! So by this definition alone there is no possibility of existence of a moderate Muslim!!!

Our political leaders, MSM and even some political experts keep beating this drum that most Muslims are moderate which is simply not true. But they have to do it to be politically correct when they have allowed immigration of millions of Muslims in their country. They don't realize Muslims won't live like other human beings in peace with others. For them following the orders of Mo/allah is of paramount importance and nothing else counts. And Mo/allah's exhorts them to kill or convert all those unbelievers who don't believe in him. Hence sooner or later all Muslims are ready to follow Mo/allah's orders and carry out jihad against all of us!!! When they come to the West or any other non-Muslim country they pretend to live like others but as soon as their numbers start to rise, their demands for their "rights" go up. Doesn't matter if their demands trample on the rights of others. It is the same story following Muslims wherever they have gone - in earlier times it was by brutal military invasions and now by covert invasion of immigration. Dumb kafirs have never caught on to their game and we are and will be paying the price in future.

Most readers of JW know this very well, but we must spread the truth about Islam and Muslims so that more and more people in the country are aware of it!!!

"He initially claimed that one must "submit" and be humble in order for justice to prevail. Furthermore, justice is only something that God can provide; we humans are impotent. It wasn't long, however, before he blatantly contradicted himself: "How can we ask [the Palestinians] to forgive the Jews for what they have done? You cannot. There must be justice first." He argued strenuously that Israel's treatment of the Palestinians has had a "profound impact on Muslim psychology" and that all Muslims, particularly in Palestine, are powerless. That claim set up this apologia for violence: "The capacity for compassion comes with power" - in other words (of course he would not say this outright), because Islam is allegedly powerless, violence in its name is at least somewhat understandable...."

Not really hard to understand. The Believer is he who "submits" to Allah, unquestioningly -- all such questioning, such free and possibly at times skeptical inquiry, is discouraged and punished.

And the complete inability of Muqtedar Khan to consider that the "Palestinians" -- that is, the Gazan Arabs and the "West Bank" Arabs who, along with the Arabs (still called, amazingly, Arabs) in Israel within the 1949 armistice lines to which, as Step One, the Slow Jihadists of Fatah (and such supporters as Muqtedar Khan) would like Israel to return -- have managed to be the recipients of the greatest unearned wealth in human history, because so many of the countries they rule over are endowed with oil and gas wealth, and furthermore have more outlets for political expression, as Arabs, than any other people on earth. For they possess not one, not two, but twenty-two states where Arabs rule and where they everywhere deny autonomy or even decent semi-equal treatment to the non-Muslim or non-Arab Muslim peoples within those vast territories.

Israel's "treatment of the 'Palestinians'" has been exemplary, and we can compare it with any other treatment, by any other power in history, of those who would, if they could, destroy that power. Furthermore, it is absurd for any Arab or Muslim, given their treatment of non-Arabs or non-Muslims, to complain. And of course Muqtedar Khan cannot conceive of an Infidel nation-state actually continuing to exist on land that, he and all true Believers in Islam know, was part at one time of the lands ruled by Muslims and therefore it is an offense against Allah, Nature, the Universe, for Infidels to now reclaim their land, even if it was essentially fallen into ruin, even if under more than 400 years of Turkish rule it was an ill-considered backwater, depopulated (see the many testimonies of 19th-century travellers) and despoiled, and of interest only because the land was reclaimed, and a Jewish commonwealth restored, by pioneers who only bought land, at greatly inflated prices, from the Arab and Turkish absentee landlords in Amman, Beirut, and Constantinople, while 90% of the land was never owned by private parties, but only by the state-- by the Ottoman state, as before by other rulers, and as after, by the explicitlly-intended beneficiaries of the League of Nations' Mandate for Palestine, the Jewish National Home or, what is the same thing, the State of Israel.

Agreed, Kim. A lot of doofuses out there. What I think every Christian should know is what the Muslims assert Jesus (Isa) is going to do to Christians at the end of the world-----throw them into Hell for deifying him. Convenient the way Muslims avoid telling Christians this when they convey to them that Muslims honor Jesus too. Yeah, to every Christian I would say, read the fine print.

''The capacity for compassion comes with power''. What an ethically and spiritually bankrupt statement.

"A moral equivalence between Pat Robertson and Osama bin Laden." Absurdity is trademark of Muslim logic.With so much
violent acts commited in the name of Islam,it unthinkabe
that Christians in the mainstream could be manipulated into
joining the anti-jewish bandwagon.

How many times do the muslims (this time, Muqtedar Khan) have to use the Jews as a prop for all their failings? Blame the Jews! There are 40-odd countries that are muslim-dominant countries. They are the 2nd most religon in population. My God, stop blaming the Jews!

Compassion, you see, is a luxury that only the powerful can afford. Thus in order to make man compassionate, or groups of men able to practice compassionate, you must first give him or them power. And that means that non-Muslims must strive to give Muslims all the power they need -- they'll tell you when they've been given enough for it to begin working -- to demonstrate "compassion" toward those same non-Muslims. Ipse dixit, more or less, Mr. Muqtedar Khan.

"My God, stop blaming the Jews!"

Muslims feel so bad about themselves they have to blame somebody.

Hey Muslims - what have you contributed to the world? Answer: Nothing, but a bunch of BullCrap. See? Wouldn't you feel bad about yourself?

I sincerely hope most Evangelicals don't fall for Khan's blatant Taqiyya.
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From what I see, the Evangelical Christians *while I don't share all their literal Biblical interpretations* seem to be the most up to speed on Islam. I can't turn on that Pastor Hagee's show without hearing yet another kernal of truth regarding the ROP. (Remember, the Evangelical Lutheran Church is the most liberal, evolving branch.)

The mainstream Protestants, Catholics, and Reform Jews are the biggest taqiyya gobblers in my metro area. They are, for the most part, caught up in the Coexist mindset and good deeds.

The evangeligal movement sees one law--love one another as I have loved you--and runs with it without being doormats in the process. Next year their goal is 30,000 Christians handing out tracts at the Arab Festival in Dearborn. I may be the only Catholic there!

Four Catholic institutions where my children were educated all taught the same thing: Allah = God.

If you think the God of the Qu'ran is the God of the Bible, then you don't know God.

Medina, I don't put too much faith in the average Evangelical pew-sitter or cleric, even though I'm an Evangelical myself.

Perhaps if we Evangelicals re-arm ourselves with the Scriptural witness to Jesus Christ, we will stand firm. Otherwise, just remember that the United Methodists and Mainstream Presbyterians of today were fervid Evangelicals a hundred and fifty years ago. Seeing that today's Evangelicals are more into feel-good services, liver-shiver stimulation, music that's just like secular music only with "Jesus, Jesus" instead of "baby, baby", and rather lax about knowing and proclaiming what's in Scripture, I think we'll probably see our fellowships on a definite downgrade.

We need a renewed faith in Christ; not a renewed "spiritual exploration" (translation: what feels good for me).

Saving faith is when we receive and rest on Jesus Christ and him alone for our salvation, as he is presented in the Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments. That means, among other things, accepting him as God Incarnate and the object of worship along with the Father and the Holy Spirit (NOT his mother Mary).

It is a pity that many people whom I love and wish the best for do not accept that. Then again, I don't know what God has in store for them ten years down the pike; for there was a time when I, too, was a Hell-bound idolator. But, I do know that if my neighbors are now headed for Hell, I sure don't have any God-given mandate to speed them on their way. Indeed, maybe the Sixth Commandment--the one against murder--seems to enjoin slowing down myself and others on our way to destruction.

But, most of all, I see that God's last Word to man is his son, the first and last and heir of all things (Rev. 1:17; Hebrews 1:1-13). Hence, it is absolutely impossible for me to accept the prophetic pretensions of a Muhammad who lived six centuries after the last letter in the New Testament was penned. The faith the informed Evangelical has is perhaps his immunization against Islamic propaganda and taqiyya.

Finally, about the "Evangelical Lutherans"--

Being partly descended from people who were Norse "Evangelesker" Lutherans (although I am more in line with the Calvinists myself), the term goes back to the Reformation and means that someone confesses that God the Holy Spirit brings the benefits of Christ to us through the Word (the Gospel) rather than through the ministrations of the ecclesiastical institution. Even Lutherans who think of the Bible as a collection of Middle Eastern Fables to be criticizewd every which way possible retain this traditional terminology.

I, for one, know what Muslims think of their "Isa" and his mission in the end of days, and, as a Christian, am not impressed. Muhammad (and/or the Hadith writers) may have gotten wind of someone teaching certain passages from Paul's Thessalonian letters, and twisted them to suit his own purposes.

I am also aware the Muslims retain the title Messiah for Jesus (al-Masih seeming to be a corruption of Meshiho/ M'shiach)--but clearly do not understand what that title entails. Otherwise, Muhammad would have died as some kind of Christian preacher rather than claiming to be "seal of the prophets".

As for the moral equivalence of Pat Robertson and Osama Bin Laden, I can only say that much as Robertson should be flogged out of town at the cart's tail for pretending to be a prophet, I at least note that he hasn't called for any beheadings. Ever.

My bigger worry about this kind of meeting is that it seems to be fishing for allies against Israel. Many of us Evangelicals do not accept the Dispensationalist scheme in which ethnic Israel (rather than the faithful) are at the center of God's purposes in history. This, the Mukhtadar Khan's of the world suspect, may be an opening to make anti-Semitism respectable again.

Interesting reply, Kepha, especially your last paragraph. Yes, I know there are Christians, as there are Ultra-Orthodox Jews, who think that only a God-ordained, and not man-ordained, Israel is an acceptable Israel. I would strongly counsel to minimalize such an idea for the larger purpose of supporting the only real democracy in the Middle East against Islamic supremacist designs. Sometimes, one's ideals can get in the way of an efficacious end result. Contrast Abraham Lincoln's approach to the issue of slavery versus that of William Lloyd Garrison's as a fine historical example of how compromise on tactics, even strategy at times, but never grand strategy, is the best way to proceed.

Yes, I'm no fan of Pat Robertson either, but if he's the worst kind of religionist mankind gets (and I write this as the agnostic that I am), I say to mankind, count your blessings. Robertson is in no way a threat to democracy, equality under the law and real freedom. Too many people who should know better don't here and make fools of themselves when they go on about what a terrible threat to our liberties Pat Robertson is. What rubbish.

As for what Islam has in store for Christians at the end of the world, I can't think of anything more important to convey to the Christian who has gotten all touchy-feely, kissy-face, huggy bear regarding mutual respect between Christians and Muslism than this fact. Good to know that you as a Christian know this. Please convey this to as many fellow Christians as possible.

And I hope my skepticism in religious matters doesn't alienate you from me. I'm a great admirer of Christianity in many ways and can't think of ANYTHING that would make the world a better place than if every Muslim in the world woke up tomorrow a devout Christian. My best to you and yours.

Kepha

the Barnabas Fund people are making a start.

They have just launched something called 'Operation Nehemiah'.

I can't give a link as yet, but they had an article about it in their latest newsletter (July/ August 2010) - "Operation Nehemiah: towards the spiritual transformation of the UK".

It seems to be conceived of as a full-on Christian response to the spiritual and physical onslaught of Islam.

Remember, the Barnabas Fund is named after the early Christian who was called 'the son of encouragement'. They were established to assist the church in places of persecution - with the major and primary focus being the church in the Muslim world, though they also help Christians trapped within nasty dictatorships such as Myanmar and Zimbabwe, and in the communist totalitarian states of China and North Korea - but they are now, with Operation Nehemiah, looking also at doing more to encourage Christians in those western countries that are affected by galloping Islamification in tandem with an aggressive and contemptuous secularism.

Me, I think it's also about time for Christians to create 'Jericho Groups' to specialise in heavy-duty intercessory prayer...deliberately targeting those spiritual strongholds or those situations which appear, humanly speaking, impossible. Let's have faith to see some 'mountains' falling into the sea.

Hugh (and others): I have heard this view of Khan's before, that compassion comes with power, which is a strange idea unfounded in logic or experience. A Sudanese Muslim, highly educated (in economics, not religiously), said to me that Mohammed became more kind and compassionate as his power and number of followers grew. This went against everything I had learned about Mohammed. But the idea seemed to suit people who are trapped in Islam and need to believe the best of it for their own sake...to get through the day. This man, who was very angry with his own government,(which used its power in a way which could hardly be called compassionate) used Islam as a source of comfort. Muqtedar Khan might be so steeped in delusion that he has built an entire worldview around it.

Well, of course, he is a Muslim. But defining the line between self-delusion and deliberate trickery can be difficult. This makes dealing with individual Muslims so hard; that inclination to judge them as either "innocent" or "guilty". Sometimes it it obvious, but often not.

Wellington, be assured that I have much respect for your opinions--and you have my prayers.

I do not believe that it is necessary to have a Zionist theology in order to appreciate and respect the Israeli achievement--just as one does not have to be an Anglo-Israelite (the idea that the Anglo-Saxons are the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel) do respect and honor the achievements of the "Anglosphere". Similarly, Jesus himself used the Samaritans as positive object lessons , he nonetheless told a Samaritan woman that her people didn't know what they worshiped and that salvation [himself] comes from the Jews (John 4). The point is that Jesus' mission is to seek and save the lost; not fight a bloodletting war against them.

Here, perhaps, is the diametric opposition between Christianity (which Evangelicalism, at its best, wants to have to the full) and Islam.

Now, perhaps our getting "touchy-feely" with Muslims is also part of the best in the Christian tradition. While we recognize that our Muslim neighbor is a lost man, our victory in the struggle with Islam is the conversion of our neighbor, not his death and destruction. This is why I have written, and continue to believe, that Christians should not make the Gospel appear as a club held over Muslim heads--even if we are critical of Islam and recognize Islam as a terrible error and respect the need of many nations to militarily protect themselves against Islamic threats (I hold to Augustine's just war theory rather than to Menno's pacifism).

As for agnosticism, I have a bit more respect for that position than a lot of my Christian fundamentalist brethren. Yes, I say that the "agnostic" is trying to run away and hide himself from the presence of the Lord (Genesis 3)--but that is the common human condition; and something of which we who know God's love can be guilty, too. We on our side know God because he has been gracious enough to pour out the Holy Spirit on us; not because we are more penetrating or intellectually brilliant than our neighbors. And, at least the atheist is honest enough to admit that finding the infinite and eternal God at the end of our own thoughts is a little like measuring all the water in the universe with a pipette.

DDA--I know about the Barnabas Fund and have much respect for their work. And I thoroughly agree that many of our brethren facing persecution need encouragement--naba, which is etymologically related to "nabi", or "prophet". If I had more discretionary income, I would probably be a donor to the Barnabas Fund.

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