The Post-American Presidency: The Obama Administration’s War on America
Pat Condell ably articulates everything that’s wrong about the mosque at Ground Zero.
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Here’s my visual response to the Ground Zero mosques….for starters
And bravo to Condell for saying it better than anyone has.
A master of no-nonsense directness, Pat Condell here has outdone himself. I hope this will be sent to everyone you know; if the email function at JW does not work properly to enable you to do so, find it at Youtube, then email the link. Everywhere.
Good ‘ol Pat, I would expect no less than genius…
As always Pat Condell does a masterful job of seeing and expressing what it really and truly is.
Why we have people in charge of the decision making processes in America who run around like little post war Neville Chamberlains never ceases to amaze me.
The disgusting and disgraceful actions of the dhimmi-committee appointed to vote for this horrible insult to those who where brutally murdered on 9-11 in the worst attack on American soil should be strongly condemned and chastised for being sucked into this.
Through their collective ignorance on what has driven Islam for nearly 1,400 years, and their succumbing to the masterful taquiya charm offensive of the deceitful plans by the promoters of this Mosque, they have allowed for the Muslim equivalent of an American Aircraft Carrier to be built near this hollowed ground.
SHAME ON THEM A THOUSAND TIMES, FOR YOU ARE ENABLERS OF THOSE WHO WANT TO DESTROY AMERICA!!!
Pat makes an excellent point in that when the Muslims tried to build a mega-mosque in London an outraged public was able to put a halt to those plans. We can do the same thing with the Ground Zero mosque. New Yorkers in particular have to wake up and mount a nonstop nagging campaign aimed at shaking Bloomberg and the rest out of their complacency. If they realize that what they will get in reality if that mosque is built is a focal point for protests, legal action, and other time-and-money-consuming annoyances they may reconsider whether this is such a good idea after all.
It is not easy to get New Yorkers to do anything from June to the end of August that does not involve getting on the train or the LIE and heading east to the beaches every Friday. But the sooner and tigher we start winding them up, the better.
Guest – George7
The Article Is A Masterpiece. However I may add P.M Erdogan has accepted President Ahmadinejad offer to take advantage of weak American administration and divide the oil rich Arab nations among themselves. To do so both countries need to rally the hate against west first among their own people than among the less fortunate Arabs. Iranian Press TV, Anti Israeli TV movies and Gaza Destined Aid Flotilla manned by jehadist are well-deserved investments.
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Pat knows how to deliver the goods…I want to see what defenderofIslam has to say about this…
The people building the mosque have the law on their side . What Americans should do is build something in the vicinity of the mosque which will piss muslims off real bad . Maybe a) museum dedicated to the atrocities that have been committed by muslims in the name of Islam or
b)build a Church which specializes in evangelizing muslims and which relentlessly points out the barbarous nature of Islam and its prophet
c)Get people to celebrate May 20th “Draw Mohammad Day ” bang in front of the mosque
d) heck start a food joint which specializes in “pork based cuisine” and in order to promote brotherly love the joint should offer to do free deliveries to the mosque .
Some of you may like to check these guys out -
Pat is showing more American pride and independent spirit than most of New York’s city officials who are mired in attempts to bring “diversity” and “tolerance” to that site of infamy, Ground Zero.
As Pat says, without Islam there would have been no Ground Zero.
The amazing gall of the mosque promoters is evidence of their complete lack of empathy. Their denial that their religion has any responsibility is sickening.
Pat’s right: Enough is truly enough.
America, speak up.
Perfect. This American would like to send a big thank you to that Englishman, Pat Condell. Now, if only someday the US can produce a President (and Britain a Prime Minister and Germany a Chancellor and…) who will sum up Islam as Condell did here, Islam will then be on its way to being a goner in the West, as it so richly deserves to be since it is, in effect, spiritual fascism. There is nothing more evil than Islam and there is nothing more annoying (and dangerous) than dhimmified Western politicians and other elites. Islam continues as freedom’s second greatest enemy and ignorance of Islam persists as freedom’s greatest foe.
Well done and spot-on…..I would not change a single word.
I dig this guy!!!
Hiding in plain sight. Too big to fail. Too scary to admit. Too outrageous to possibly be true.
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It’s all a 13-story tall green and black elephant hiding in the corner of our living room, too obvious to see.
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It’s not about political correctness, Pat. It’s about Fictive Reality. This time the Islam Fictive Reality, the most pernicious and dangerous of them all.
Bosch Fawstin, awesome illustration and commentary. Thanks for coming up with that, which truly symbolizes the way we all ought to feel about mahoundianism’s attempts to turn the entire West into a big version of Mogadishu with the Atlantic Ocean in the middle.
As for Condell’s suggestion that Death Valley should be considered as a site, I understand the joke, but I think that that place, especially in winter, is too beautiful to be spoiled by a mahoundian temple of hate. The UN (United Arabs and Dipped-in-Camel-Dung-Arab-Sandal lickers) building is a much more appropriate place. Or perhaps a floating mosque in the middle of Hussein’s Katrina, the BP oil spill.
Thanks for posting this Marisol.
Peace, and God bless the Kuffar.
I’ll drink to that. Pat at his best. I also hope this mosque doesn’t get built.
Hooray for Pat Condell !
“This is one insult too many!” — Pat Condell
Spot on, Pat!
And I loved his idea of building a mosque in a more fitting location: the Arizona desert or in Death Valley, lol …
Mohammedans and their useful idiots are so proud of 9/11, their victory over the US (Great Satan), they spewed it once again in Israel’s (Little Satan’s) face:
Radio transmission, Mavi Marmara passengers to IDF:
“Shut up, go back to Auschwitz”
“We’re helping Arabs go against the US, don’t forget 9/11â€³
I think I have a very good idea of where the money will come from to fund this mosque. Why our most wise and tolerant Obama government will use OUR tax dollars for this obscenity and call it a gesture of peaceful multicultural bi-lingual tolerance hogwash. Probably Saudi Arabia won’t have to shell out a penny if things keep going the way they are. I certainly hope America and Europe and civilization everywhere wakes up to the Islamic invasion, keep on pushing people to become informed.
I LOVE THIS GUY!!!!!!!
I want a Pat Condell t-shirt!!!
Pat Condell always gets right to the heart of it with simplicity and brilliance.
Don’t miss this hysterical music video from the awesome Caroline Glick (sung to “We Are the World”):
Sorry for the OT …
GAZA SHIP HOURS AWAY FROM ISRAEL’S EXCLUSION ZONE:
June 4, 2010
Israel: We don’t want a confrontation with Gaza-bound ship ‘Rachel Corrie’
By Barak Ravid and Haaretz Service:
Foreign Ministry issues a statement saying Israel has no desire to board the ship; MV Rachel Corrie to reach Israel exclusion zone within 24 hours, organizers say.
Israel does not want a confrontation with the Gaza-bound ship the MV Rachel Corrie, the Foreign Ministry said in a statement on Friday.
“We have no desire for a confrontation. We have no desire to board the ship. If the ship decides to sail the port of Ashdod, then we will ensure its safe arrival and will not board it,” said the Foreign Ministry Director-General Yossi Gal.
The MV Rachel Corrie is headed directly for the Gaza Strip with hundreds of tons of humanitarian aid and is expected reach Israel’s 20-mile exclusion zone within the next day, a spokesman for the pro-Palestinian group organizing the mission said on Friday.
“Israel is prepared to receive the ship and to offload its contents.After an inspection to ensure that no weapons and war materials are on board, we are prepared to deliver all of the goods to Gaza,” the Foreign Ministry’s statement read.
“Representative of the people on board and relevant NGOs are welcome to accompany the goods to the crossings. We will work with the UN and international organizations to ensure that all the goods are used for the benefit of the people of Gaza.”
The Foreign Ministry’s statement was issued following a discussion between the ministers of the forum of seven on Friday afternoon in Jerusalem. The statement seems to hint that Israel’s attempts at coming to a resolution with the ship’s passengers have reached a dead end.
According to a government source in Jerusalem, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu instructed the foreign ministry’s director-general Yossi Gal to invite the foreign press and to issue the statement, in order to make Israel’s stance perfectly clear to the ship’s passengers and to the international community.
The MV Rachel Corrie had initially planned to reach the Gaza Strip sometime this week, despite an Israel Navy raid on the first six ships in the humanitarian aid convoy on Monday that left nine people dead and several more wounded.
Despite reports that the 1,200-ton ship was heading back to Ireland due to technical difficulties involving its two accompanying vessels, Free Gaza Movement spokeswoman Greta Berlin said the ship was on schedule and had no plans to stop in any port along the way.
As usual excellent stuff from Pat. I am a fan of his big time.
Did I hear that right “GOD bless Kaffer”? Pat, boy you are changing your life style a ted-bit.
Its real pleasure listening to him reason things out that most politicians can’t even dream of.
Oh, Americans haven’t *forgotten*, exactly”but oddly, the threat of Jihad”though growing”seems less and less a concern of many Americans in their day-to-day lives.
True enough, Graven.
But the reason for this forgetfulness is what the American people have not been told, things like Wipe out Infidels to the last and I shall terrorize the Inifdels and None has the right to be worshiped but Allah and Killing Infidels is a small matter to us and Banu Khaybar and Banu Qurayza and the Moghul and all the rest of this squalid thing called Islam, with all its pernicious Moslems.
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We’re flying blind because outside of this blog and a few others like it, nobody in this country knows what’s coming. If they did know, our immigration policy would look very different, and the Moslems we’ve let into America would never have the temerity to propose a Saudi-funded Ground Zero Mosque, which may very well open its doors give out collective blindness.
It’s people like Pat Condell and Bruce Fawstin who really make me believe that we’ve got a chance in countering and defeating Islamofascist propaganda(or is it propiganda?). It’s become abundantly clear that freedom loving people have two enemies: The Left and the Islamofascists.
I have e-mailed the YouTube link to a PC Idiot. So, not that it will do any good…but I did, just the same.
Israel’s ‘friends’ also to blame
just sharing, this is jihad watch… keep up the good work
Pat “give ‘em hell” Condell.
Nice to see the Churchillian spirit can still be found in Britain.
I came across a you tube that also helped me in my understanding of what this “Mega-Mosque” might mean to Islam. I found myself agreeing with the narrator, and I found his views insightful. It was called “Of mosques and Men” or something to that effect.
Thank you for your patience.
Oh geez, the insane clown posse from the Newsmax University is back in the 9/11 trough and wants us to believe this is news. Who needs the new cow milking tech when you have labor like this…
USS Liberty survivor on board flotilla lives to tell about massacre…
Israeli firm blockaded in Greece, shut down…
Israeli embassy blockaded in Ireland, shut down…
Israeli goods blocked by Swedish port workers, Swedish politicians debate sanctions…
Italian grocers boycott Israel…
Shekel plummets to record lows…
Well look who’s back! It’s Jonathan! Could this be the SAME Jonathon who wouldn’t answer my simple questions on another thread last night? It couldn’t be, right? I mean THAT Jonathan would surely be embarrassed to have put his moral cowardice on public display!
Now that you’ve had all night and all today to think about it, Jonathan: Why do terrorists always shout, “Allahu Akbar?” Is it some kind of religious-thing? What religion, then? And here’s a bonus-question for you, Jonathan: What did hijacker-”pilot” Ziad Jarrah shout on United Airlines Flight 93 when he crashed it on September 11, 2001? Take your time, Jonathan–I’ll be around…
“Turkish flags were seen on city streets for the first time since the Ottoman Empire was defeated.”
This is important.
For those of you who don’t know, this is Bible prophesy in the works here, folks. It is happening, faster every day.
I wish I had time to read all these comments. The ones I did read are great.
Bravo Pat well said, but we in the US do not have public opinion anymore. The current keeper of 1600 makes all the rules and no matter what we think he “rams” it through.
The Libs seem to think they know it all but they seem to forget that history repeats itself.
Again BRAVO PAT.
Since Pat isnot than america by birth like me he doesnot know not even Robert Spencer can legal in court stop this mosque from being built and the mayor doesnot want to waste taxpayer money on than legal battle the city will lose in the courts and then pay the legal fee of the muslim.
I feel like boycotting goods from the countries who are joining in the Israel bashing. How stupid are they? Mind you, it does include the swedes!
Emails to said countries embassies – boycott and denouncing their stupidity.
Time to go on the attack.
Good old Pat Condell – maybe I’ll send it to the above countries and also to obama, he badly needs an education.
Bosch, I think you just inspired my sign for the June 6 rally! “Can We Rebuild the WTC in Mecca?”
Wish Pat Condell could be with us Sunday. I would walk down to NYC just to watch him go toe-to-toe with some Muslim Brotherhood caveboy types.
Either Jonathan or his little gang of flying monkeys have been peddling the “USS Liberty” cant all over the blogs, and I swear one of them called it in to our local conservative talk radio yesterday. Surprised they haven’t blamed the jooooos for the Titanic yet. Speaking of retronazi scum, is it too late to airlift Helen Thomas onto the Rachel Corrie? The IDF needs target practice.
To Robert Spencer:
I am an attorney in the Los Angeles area (from one of the most prominent Ivy League law schools) who strongly supports your efforts to educate the public about the facts regarding the threat posed by Islam to Western culture. I also strongly support your efforts to block the Ground Zero mosque. Here are my suggestions about how your effort regarding the mosque could be the most fruitful.
I saw a few minutes of Pam Geller’s appearance on HLN where she talked about the reasons she was objecting to the mosque. (I have to admit that I did not see most of her appearance, so my impressions could be mistaken.) However, I did not think that her approach was the most effective. Her focus seemed to be upon the need to be sensitive to the feelings of people who had lost friends or family members in the 9/11 attacks, and the fact that the attacks were done in the name of Islam. That approach (i.e. a feelings based approach) is not likely to be effective because the other side comes out with their own so-called feelings, namely the need to forgive, to open our hearts to those who are different, to be tolerant to others’ points of view, and to strengthen those who are trying to promote a peaceful Islam. With this mishmash of feelings, politically correct newscasters and spineless mayors (such as Bloomberg) jump on the side of those supporting the mosque. That is why there was a huge vote discrepancy in favor of allowing the mosque.
The correct approach in my opinion, which is much more likely to be effective, and which Mr. Spencer (and probably nobody else in the United States could use as effectively) could carry out easily is an approach of CROSS-EXAMINATION. I am not a real estate attorney, but I believe there must be some commission, city Council, zoning body, or some other government entity that is ultimately responsible to give approval for the construction of the mosque. I think Mr. Spencer (or a colleague of his who is a New York City resident, if that condition is necessary) should demand an opportunity to conduct a reasonable public cross examination (preferably on video) of the Imam who is behind the mosque as to exactly what documents and traditions he will draw from when preaching in the mosque. If the governing body refuses that request, it should be sued. If the request is granted, Mr. Spencer (perhaps working through his colleague) can make history because I believe that THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A THOROUGH CROSS EXAMINATION ON VIDEO OF SOMEBODY KNOWLEDGEABLE WHO PROFESSES TO SUPPORT ISLAM.
If the cross-examination is conducted, it should be as factual as possible and rely upon admissions by the Imam. Mr. Spencer should refrain from labels, adjectives, and feelings, and should try to minimize the number of assertions that Mr. Spencer himself makes. (The other side will always characterize Mr. Spencer as a liar regarding any assertions he makes.) I think that the Imam will be forced to admit that he will be preaching based upon the Koran, the Hadith, and the Sirah Rasul Allah. The Imam will also be forced to recognize some of the Hadith as being reliable and authoritative. Then Mr. Spencer can force the Imam to admit how many verses in the Koran support jihad, which hadith describe their prophet as beheading several hundred Jews, which ones describe him having sex with a child, which ones teach others to engage in deception, how many verses are supposedly peaceful, how many times the prophet raided the caravans of his enemies and captured their women as his personal sex slaves, etc.
With all of the key facts admitted by the Imam, Mr. Spencer can make the argument (which I think is the most powerful of all arguments available) that even if this particular Imam claims that he will be preaching a “peaceful Islam” the reality is that any future Imam could well preach a different version, or the people who listen to this Imam may feel that he is purposely leaving out important parts of the Islamic tradition of violence against the unbelievers. Then Mr. Spencer can ask why the taxpayers of New York should allow the construction of a building that will be tax exempt (instead of a commercial building which would provide much more revenue to New York) to build a center that will inevitably, with 100% probability, produce some individuals who will support violent actions against Americans. (As an example, Mr. Spencer can cite the Islamic center in Boston, which was supported by the governor, but which had strong ties to jihad.)
Please feel free to contact me if I can be of further assistance.
By the way, this comment was dictated on voice recognition software, so it may have grammatical errors.
Pat Condell rocks! He has this uncanny ability to deliver devastating truths about islam in a very precise and concise manner. In the free world, we need politicians with the kind of clear thinking that Pat shows.
Me thinks Jonathan the Nazi went to Hermann Goebel University,
Department of Propaganda Studies, but flunked and left early after just completing “Slander and Lies 101.”
DO NOT click on any of the links that poster “Jonathan” has provided. Another poster on a different thread discovered that one of his links will harm your computer, and he’s warned other posters there — so of course I wanted to do the same here.
Robert, a cross examination of the immam who’s going to be teaching at this travesty of a place is an excellent suggestion. Hurt feelings are irrelevant — violent teachings are completely relevant.
Champ, thanks for that warning! I saw a similar warning on another thread here. Not sure why, but a little voice inside said, “Don’t go to his links,” so I didn’t.
So glad I trusted my instincts! DuhSwami is so right about those mahound “bugs that jump!”
You’re welcome Kim and George
This was an excellent presentation by Pat Condell.
have just sent this video to mayor Micael Bloomberg under the heading Security.
Contact him at
I am reposting this comment from the cop killer thread. It’s a gem.
Stonesriver1862 | June 4, 2010 5:47 PM | Reply
I had intended to post under the Condell video but this latest story also illustrates my point. Pat Condell did a great job of describing Islam and the whole purpose behind their triumphalist mosque. He also described the cowardice and weakness of NYC’s politicians who support or refuse to oppose this monstrosity. Now we have pandering NY parole board freeing muslim NY City cop-killing Jihadists. You won’t see residents of the City protest this and demand the ouster of a parole board that is routinely sympathetic to the most horrible of criminals. This one was done to pander to the muslim mob.
NYC residents fancy themselves tough and savvy. But in fact, and I have worked in NY on a daily basis for nearly 30 years. They are anything but tough, although they do talk a good game. They are weak, largely socialist whiners and complainers of the first water. They have allowed their government to effectively disarm them so that they are prey to the criminal element. The NYC citizens whine and want more police protection (which can never be enough short of having a police state) or they want more surveillance cameras. They love a tyrannical nanny mayor the defines what they can eat and how they should live. They largely have no backbone at all. Leftists illegally protest in NYC, the cops protect them and harrass and bully law abiding citizens who merely want unfettered access to walk the streets. The police will not enforce the laws against the violaters.
This mosque will happen because NYC is without question the most cowed and cowardly population of any major city on the planet. The City lacks pride, its mayor is a weak appeaser and Islam, being a system that loves submission, has found the perfect home. A city of millions that loves to be told what to do and how to do it. I am sure the three or four citizens of the City that are otherwise built of sterner stuff will object to this missive, so please, consider yourselves excluded.
Pat Condell, God Bless you!
If only everyone was so informed, we would stop giving aid to islamic countries and ban the “religion of peace.”
With everyone I know, I spread the same (if not as articulate) message as Pat, and hope they do the same.
While the notion of getting the “Demonic Duo” of Rauf and Khan “on the witness stand” is fun to ponder, I think there are 2 chances for it:
slim and none.
Rauf wants no part of Mr. Spencer or anyone like him! He’s on auto-pilot, gliding in for a nice soft landing at his “Cordoba House” mosque. Why would he allow himself to be shot-down in flames just short of the runway?
And the spineless local politicos are in his corner; they surely wouldn’t arrange for any forum that might “insult” him or question his motives! If anyone even started on that course they would be summarily gavelled-down from the chair. The bad guys and the “good guys” are in lockstep to promote this travesty. And the rest of us? Just right-wing, extremist rabble, pushed aside or acknowledged only as a minor, unseemly annoyance.
The bottom-line to this is that it’s offensive, tasteless and insulting. And, awful as that is, it appears we can’t do a damned thing to stop it. This is how muslims gig our system and manipulate it to their foul ends. And, worse they do it with the unashamed support and assistance of our own officials, whose ignorance and obsequious desire to please is beyond comprehension.
I would love nothing more than to see the likes of Robert Spencer, Pamela Geller, Andrew McCarthy, go toe-to-toe with Rauf. And it may happen…but only with Rauf seated comfortably in his new 9/11 mosque…
Honestly, it makes want to cry in frustration…
Pat condell as always explains it just right..
Now i still think his viewpoints as an atheist are wrong
But he has EVERY RIGHT to express them..
I didn’t see Christians going on a rampage
over the south park episode..
Nor did i see death threats against the animators..
So my point is while i don’t agree with Pat Condell’s
He has every right to express them
No doubt this will take a fight but I’ll bet a bottle of Armenian Pomagranate Wine there will not be a mega-mosque on that site 9/11/2011….Any takers please?
Has anyone read this?
“De-Islamization program” by German NGO
All democratic states should follow suite!
To all American friends and New York infidels in particular: please don’t be fooled into accepting whatever the so-called imam tells you about the project. The so-called cultural center will be all about slimey islam and nothing else.
islam has a history of building grand mosques in vanquished lands, particularly at a location where a symbol of conquered culture existed prior to an islamic invasion. In my country, islamic barbarian rulers destroyed literally thousands of Hindu and Buddhist temples and built mosques on those very sights to assert islamic supremacy. Let there be no doubt that they are trying to do the same in NY. The twin towers were a symbol of America’s financial and business culture. The barbarians destroyed them and are now intent on building this mosque at or near that sight. This despicable islamic pattern continues . Trust me, these slimes will use your own laws to sabotage and destroy your culture. If your laws can’t stop this insult to the 9/11 survivor families, public opinion and legal challenges on other matters can. I am sure infidels around the world will happily contribute to a legal fund set up by Robert or Pamella. You MUST STOP this symbol of false islamic supremacy.
Is America losing its mind? If you don’t know Pat Condell you should and if you view this video you will. And furthermore if this does not resonate with any sane person in America, forget it.
Pretty soon at this rate there’ll be a Muslim in the White House. Whoops! There does the neighbourhood!
That neighbourhood happens to be America and what is happening now should be fought tooth and nail. If we can collectively muster enough balls in London to resist a similar monstrosity, the US with its can do and fierce individuality should walk it.
In Islam symbolism counts. Unless the symbols are weighted their way they will rant and rave, just like children until they are. And that’s without the added slaughter they seem so adept at.
Its not enough that Islam has re-emerged conquering and steam rolling a once modernising Middle East, they have to have it all and Ground Zero is a perfect storm for them. What better symbol of conquest than to raise the flag of Islam right on the spot they gratuitously killed three thousand on?
These points of attack are plain to see. A flotilla. The site of 9/11. London Olympics. Plus all the death cult outrages which decimates and destroys the innocent.
They are the obvious ones but how about the rest?
If this is built who cares about the rest? May as well pack it in and say come on in, the zam zam water’s fine.
Champ says…”Ban this Jew hating troll, please …”
Oh geez, Saturday morning coffee at Jihad Watch and Israel is throwing a temper tantrum and barricaded themselves in a room. Is there going to be a need for SWAT and ATF?
A comment to the Jew Hater [Troll] Jonathan, for someone who comes across as a Jew hater, you pick for yourself, for a reason you and God only know, a real deep prominent Jewish name, Jonathatn [Yonathan] the son of King Saul and the absolute best friend and supporter of King David, the Israeli king who God called in the Bible: “A man after my own heart”, explain this?
Never click on links provided by Muslims or suspected Muslims…you can read their post by the words they write…that will tell you what they want to say….it doesn’t take long to recognize a Muslim…even if they try to conceal their idenity….Have you ever noticed Muslims ofen have multiple names?…
And speaking of a slippery character, ‘How are you this morning Jonathan? All rested up? Ready for another exciting day of posting crusty links?
The word is out, no one is going to click on them…So you’re going to have to come up with something else…
I had posted a link to a you tube video earlier, now I see that some links can be dangerous to click on? So the one I saw and found interesting is called “Of Mosques and Men: Reflections on a Ground Zero Mosque”
You can type “of mosques and men” into the YouTube search field and it will take you to the video.
I believe the guy makes some valid points totally related to the mosque in New York subject.
Workers of New York Unite!!……union and non-union………refuse to work on this disgusting mosque (in Arabic mosque is ‘mehrab’ meaning, “place of battle”) near Ground Zero. Out of respect for your city, the victims of 9/11, your troops and Vets and your country. No workers, no mosque……………….(readers: please pass this on and post on any and all websites. We can stop this insult)
Thanks for that link. Another very eloquent argument against the mosque. It has some good points that serve to augment the case put by Pat.
Sure Kim, “mosk” works as well as “mosque” as the building still represents a launching pad for jihad whatever one chooses to call the threat
There are a few things in life that are prevented by law:
You can not yell “fire” in a crowded movie house. Why? because many people had died in fires and stampeding and someone said this cant be done. (sounds reasonable)
You can not talk about bombs and highjacking planes in airports. Why? because people have done these things and killed thousands of inocent people. (sounds reasonable)
Why would anyone, American or muslim or American muslim think that a mosque at ground zero would be a good thing? This is a no-brainer but unfortunatly the no brained people are running this country.
Kinana of Khaybar
Does your screen name reference the salughter of the Jews by Muhammad at Khaybar. A nice afternoons work I suspect. Thank you for correcting my Arabic although whether or not ‘mosque’ in Arabic is ‘mehrab’ or ‘masjid’ is vaguely interesting and I will accede to your superior knowledge of the tongue…..this is not the point. Do you accede that a mosque is a “place of battle”?
Three thoughts for this day:
If we desire to avoid insult, we must be able to repel it; if we desire to secure peace, one of the most powerful instruments of our rising prosperity, it must be known, that we are at all times ready for War.(George Washington)
There is no merit in putting off a war for a year if, when it comes, it is far worse or one much harder to win.(Winston Churchill)
We think that for a general to fight an enemy, it is important to know the enemy’s numbers, but still more important to know the enemy’s philosophy.(G. K. Chesterton)
This is a travesty in building a Mosque within stone’s throw
from Ground Zero. I sincerely believe with some 2,300 mosques Already in the U.S. THIS, is an attempt to ‘make a statement’by Muslims/Islamists. They are pushing for this, as it is what they do in ‘staking out their mosques and agenda, by pushing it onto those, whom they feel ‘they have
conquered.’ It IS to prove a point definitely and it has nothing to do with Diversity and Understanding. If they were so concerned about those Americans that were killed by
THEIR people, they would open the REST of their mosques, to
PROVE there is no divisiveness going on. This is an “In Your Face” action. WE DON’T WANT THIS AND THE LAME BRAIN IDIOTS THAT APPROVED THIS, IS INFURIATING. STOP THIS NOW.
BTW: Excellent speech Mr.Condell. Just too bad Our OWN Politicos who are falling for this “Conquering Mosque” don’t have the guts to Stand Up For America, and the 3,000 citizens that were Killed on 9/ll by the Radical Islamists who claim theirs’, is a “religion of peace”….IT IS NOT.
IT IS A CULT, WHERE IT’S WOMEN ARE TREATED LIKE DOGS, AND THEY STILL MARRY OFF LITTLE GIRLS TO ‘MOHAMMAD(The Pervert)
FOLLOWERS. DISGUSTING CULT, THAT STILL PRACTICES FGM-
FEMALE GENETALIA MUTILATION. NICE CULT, HUH?
In Urdu the word mehrab is used for arch. And q-t-l does not mean battle, it means slaughter or murder (take your pick). But by what ever name, a mosque is bad news for all sane and peaceful people.
In the sixteenth century a temple in Ayodhya signifying the birth place of the Hindu lord Rama was destroyed on the orders of the first Moghul king Babar, and an unspeakably ugly structure, the Babari masjid, was built on its site. In December 1996 a huge mob of Hindus tore down that excrescence and in a few hours it had disappeared completely. The world, as represented by the media, was shocked and horrified. Muslims, even supposedly secular and liberal ones, announced that their Religious-Feelings-Were-Hurt (TM). Dhimmi Hindus hastened to proclaim that their Heads-Hung-In-Shame (TM applied for).
Too bad the Americans can’t muster up a good mob. Okay, okay, I’m not inciting mob violence, but isn’t is remarkable how the Islamofascists operate within the law as long as it suits them, and break it quite brazenly when it suits them by saying that their religion sanctions it?
The Arabic word for “mosque” is masjid. In Hebrew, the word is “misgad,” which is very similar in sound to the Arabic. In Hebrew, the word denotes “bending of the knee, prostration,” the normative Muslim position during prayer. Due to the presence of common Semitic linguistic roots, I am going to assume that the Arabic word for mosque shares a common verb root with the Hebrew.
I appreciate Condell’s association of Islam with Nazism, and his understanding that Islam is much more of a threat. At the end of the day, even Nazis were not prepared to face utter and total annhilation to realize their dream. Islamo-nazis, however, ARE ready. Nazism, for all its insanity, was a secular movement.
Please, don’t even think of placing a mega-mosque in Death Valley. I enjoy riding my motorcycle there in November. Its scenery is breathtakingly beautiful, and it would be a huge sin to foul it up.
I wonder if our sorry-arse, quick to attribute blame, dhimmi Australian politicians take note of this film. When are we going to call a spade a spade and not dance around the truth until such time as we have devised another language describing atrocities that does not directly point the finger at those responsible. I just wonder if any of the world’s atrocities could be attributed to Islam hum! ahhh! duh!
Bias and prejudice only come from a fear of that which has done you harm in the past…. oh dear, that means Islam has some explaining to do doesn’t it…….
Get a good grip of reality and wake up you damn morons….. Islam and its strict adherence to the written word is the blame of most of the world’s atrocities…..
It ain’t bloody rocket science Fred…..
Lets hope Pat Condell now brings out a video about these Turkish-backed so-called ‘humanitarians’ who attacked Israeli soldiers, and the response of the Western media to it. it is true, Israel is the only country in the wworld wghose right to exist is undermined daily, starting from the White House via Tehran.
Lets hope Pat Condell now brings out a video about these Turkish-backed so-called ‘humanitarians’ who attacked Israeli soldiers, and the response of the Western media to it. It is true, Israel is the only country in the world whose right to exist is undermined daily, starting from the White House via Tehran.
That is, to be taken seriously by Islam critics, “[t]he connection would have to be canonical or at least a mainstream interpretation.”
Re: mehrab and harb. It is common in the history of military fortifications in ancient and medieval times for forts to have the architectural feature of a “niche” (that pleasant word everyone translates for mehrab) — the “niche” in forts having the function of an advantage point by which to repel attackers (and remember, children, not all “attackers” are offensive: some may be legitimately attacking a fort filled with evil dangerous people who themselves have been busy fomenting attacks outside the fort).
I think it’s safe to say that the Islamic masjid (mosque) is simultaneously a military fort and a temple for the Islamic god, whereby the pseudo-religious fanaticism that governs all thought and emotion for Muslims is harnessed with an eye to the crucial focal point toward which all Islam points: War against non-Muslims in order for Muslims to conquer the Earth, in preparation for the Last Days.
Just because for 1,400 years Muslims have never gotten anywhere close to realizing that eschatopathological obsession (though they did manage for a while to subjugate an impressive amount of real estate in the first few centuries), and instead have spent their time fomenting fitna and fasad (when they are not frittering away their days and nights indulging the sordid half of their schizophrenic tension between Prudity and Crudity), does not mean that this crucial focal point is not the very heart of what is driving these demons.
What has happened to the United States? We allow countries like Iran, North Korea,and most of the Muslim world to do and say what ever they want. With a Muslim administration in Washington, they are leting them spread their hatred around the world. Muslims hate everyone. Jews, Christians, Black,and every other ethnic group around the world. It is time the world sent them packing. It seems Australia is the only country that tells them to get lost.I believe it was last year a muslim beheaded either his wife or daughter for being Americanized. Why wasnt this Muslim put on trial and then executed? Lets wake up. Its time to muster our strengths and fight back. Obooma, has done nothing to protect our country from the Muslims who hate the world. Its time to open our eyes and ears. Remember when Obooma said that he was going to visit all 57 states?
Guess how many states there are in Islam?
This is a disgrace and must not be approved. We have to take a strong position againest Moslems who want to “be in our face”. No mosque at Ground Zero.
Hey America: It’s time to stop your cowering before the sword of Islam!!!!
Pat Condell has chosen his words well. These words should be heeded by all citizens of the United States, many of whom seem anxious to eject their national sovereignty for the pitiful delusion of safety which will never be met because the Muslims they are cowering before will see to it that those Americans who will never be spared the sword of Islam. Safety from Islam’s brutality cannot be bought by non-Muslims from Muslims at any price (a lesson to be learned in Bloomberg’s leftwing Twilight ZOne”).
I am neither surprised or astonished that here is a mosque going up at the site of 9-11. I am livid beyond description. I am also in a state of total horror.
The ONLY good news on the horizon is that the “Progressive” politicians who have been making this Islamic obnoxiousness possible are on the brink of being voted out. Obama will not directly be affected, but once the Demo(c)rats and “RINOs” lose their majority in the US Congress Obama will no longer have the line of defense against prosecution and impeachment proeccedings that as a treasonous stealth Muslim he has coming to him. After November we can recover our sovereignty, sanity, and, we hope, our nation.
I’d like to endorse everything Pat said and then some. The sooner Americans realize how deadly the threat to them, their culture and their country, the sooner they will avoid the fate that seems to be heading towards Europe and their gutless politicians. Way to go Pat.
I couldn’t say it more eloquently. I also wish I had said it first. God Bless America!!
This is a statement that is eloquently presented. I only wish that I had brought it to everyone first.
God Bless America!!
This is TOTALLY unacceptable!! NO way, it would be a disgrace to all of American man kind, living and the dead. We fought many a battle and never gave in,and we shall stand tall and fight these back stabbing ridicules gesture on putting this building on ground zero where these same inhumane minded people want us ALL dead!! Just makes NO sense.This is our country, this is OUR land fought and paid for by our BLOOD!! It’s time for us to come together and PROTEST!! NOW!!–911 was people of all nations that fell, their lives were taken away from these same minded people, that even our home grown people such as(politicians,money,& greed)say lets do it!! Well I say NO!!
Very well said! I wish the politicians wake up and prevent this mosque construction..
“People of all faiths and homelands are divided into reasonable and unreasonable people. All that I wish and pray to God for is that the reasonable people would outnumber the fools.”
Far from being a “Union Guy” myself, I can see an opening for the Unions in NYC to exercise their collective might to right this wrong. In no way can this monstrosity be built without the construction trades. The politicians in NYC only inderstand one thing – that’s money and support. If the Union Members stand together and refuse to support any candidate who supports this abomination, it will get the message across. Also, as all construction in NYC happens only with the cooperation and participation of the Unions, I see an opening for them to finally stand together for something much more meaningful that wages increases. It won’t be built if nobody builds it!
How awful to think of this placement. People are so busy taking sides . . .liberal/conservative, etc.that they don’t notice what is going on. The Muslimization of Europe. I am a moderate and proud of it but also frightened for my country. The Decline and Fall of the American Empire is happening before my eyes. And I can do nothing. Such frustration.
I hope many people watch this and other items on this subject. Read how European countries are being taken over and hope our politicians wake up and stop it in its tracks here.
Rita Cross, New Jersey
I do not support any organization that teaches us to love one another as long as we are in agreement with them. The logic of this video leads one to conclude that Christian religions should not build structures anywhere near where human abuses have happened in the past because Nazi’s could not have existed without the support and protection of Christian religions. Islam or any other religion is not the cause of hate. Human fanatics hiding behind religion are the real enemies.
From Balderitis in Socialist Oregon
I was energized by the wonderfully articulated comments
that Pat Condell was willing to share! HOOORAYYY!!!!
I’m truly afraid that there won’t be any elections
in November because Premier Obastard will declare
Martial law and suspend all activity that goes against
his facist goals…..
I will be sending this e-mail on to
every person on my mailing list regardless of whether they are Right, Leftie or somewhere in the middle….
GOD BLESS ( HELP ) AMERICA II Chron. 7:14
” If my people, who are called by My name….”
Can I get (e-mailed to me) a text version of Pat Condell’s speech so that it can be printed. If snyone has one or can get it please e-mail me at firstname.lastname@example.org
Has anyone considered starting a boycott of NYC similiar to the one that was started against Arizona. At least this is a just cause. When the people of New York realize how much this would hurt them economically, they will be camping on the doorsteps of the Mayor’s mansion and every commissioner’s office and house until they revoke the permit. Believe me, I would do it in a heartbeat if I knew how to do it. If someone does start one, I will be one of the first to sign and then forward it to the 192 persons I have on my contact lists.
Did i hear my ears correctly ? The Muslims want to build a mosque in New York city at ground zero ? Who what where when why and how did they even get as far as they did in this process, what is wrong with us ? they are not even suppose to be on our soil ! someone is not doing there job ! Wake up America !!!!
Of course America has lost its mind, look who the majority of us voted in as president – a Muslim! The rest of us saw it coming a long time ago. It started by taking prayer out of our schools, then moved on to abortion and has all but taken over our churches (sound familiar?) with everything from the Emergent Church Movement to New Age – God forbid was has happened to the church. Then again, we Christians are the church. So now we choose to meet in our homes and in the 1 in 100 churches that still preach the truth rather than trying to make everyone feel good and entertained. I was a member of one of the largest churches in the US until I found out that the pastors other ministry purchased him a 40 million dollar jet to fly around on. He’s not even one of those who has been exposed yet. Jesus only owned the clothes and the sandels that he wore and I’m sure today that he wouldn’t have purchased a Lear Jet. If He had approved of such extravagance he would have ridden around on the fastest chariot that money could buy. God help us please!
Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life. No one enters unto the Father except through Him!
I do not know what is wrong with this country, Mr. Pat Condell has very accurately stated the case of idiocy in the US Elect. My wife and I are survivors of the 1993 bombing and the 911 Holocaust – It seems that the “Politically Correct Spineless Self-centered Socialist Demogogues” who are currently in power in both parties, patronizing all of America’s minority groups and sticking it to the the working class people and who are supporting the current peace and pacification of everyone in the world at any cost are forcing the local Sleeping Giant, the silent majority, to be aroused – and they are in for a rude awakening…not only will they be voted out of office, moving us to the US to the extreme right(Isolationism)…a third and even a 4th real conservative political party will arise from these horrible ashes to restore the battered but true constitution to it’s original intent and put our country back on track ans back to super power status (we are sliding down fast to becoming a 4th rate nation – just look at our healthcare situation…Long Live America…Love it or leave it…Islam waits…
Great article; rang the inventory bell of Mosques being built on other religions churches and temples. (though Christians have done this occasionally; Mexico, Sacred groves in the UK)
The Turkish president attacks Israels commando inspection of their ships. Mr. Istanbulls**t needs a history lesson how the Turks butchered Christians in the city they founded (Constantinople) IN their churches then turned them into Mosques. The Israelis, in contrast, did NOT butcher Muslims in the mosque the muslims built atop the Jewish Temple.
In fairness, Jews returning to Palestine is like Norwegian Neo-Vikings returning to Labrador and kicking all the Canadians out of their houses, and keeping them locked up in PEI under heavy guard. Helen Thomas’ point; no free speech for you Helen. No press freedom either I guess.
Washington advised us to avoid foreign entanglements. Father knows best.
For all you Divinely inspired warriors out there, please let “God” speak for Himself. He’s going to get annoyed if you keep treating Him like an idiot.
There are schools in Nigeria that actually teach you how to take advantage of the British/European welfare systems; not how to navigate, but abuse the system. The West is SO naive; it has no idea how much the rest of the World’s jealousy creates really profound (and cleverly hidden) hatred.
Try building a church in Saudi Arabia. Please post that video.
As Usual, whenever there is a topic that concerns those Jihadi murdering Islamists some fool has to bring in the subject of Gaza or the Jews as if this has a baring on why 9/11 happened. In this case Van Grungy introduces an item from Al Jazeera, of all people, that blames the US and Israel. If you read the article he has introduced it is clear the author, supposedly a professor, has never been to Gaza. If he had been he would have seen the 5 star restaurants, the food shops stuffed with food, the street stall filled with produce yet he writes of the poverty and hardship. I assure, and I have visited many times, none of this exists. Just for the record, it was only a few years ago when the crossings were open and Gazans made daily jouneys into Israel. Why? Because Israel gave them jobs and money. Why were the crossings closed? Because some of those that entered carried into Jerusalem bombs and explosives and killed and mamed hundreds of innocent civilians women, children. In any case does this alleged professor and Grungy really believe that if Gaza was “open” the Islamists would no longer kill and maim around the world?
Indian Tiger wrote “Islam has a history of building grand mosques in vanquished lands, particularly at a location where a symbol of conquered culture existed prior to an islamic invasion”. There is nothing more evident of that than the Mosque they built in Jerusalem on the top of the Second Jewish Temple which was destroyed during the Roman Siege of Jerusalem in 70 CE.
I would have to agree with everything that has been said in Pat’s video.
THE REAL QUESTION IS HOW DO WE STOP IT BEFORE IT HAPPENS.
AMERICANS, WE THE PEOPLE, NEW YORKERS, A CALL TO ACTION IN PROTEST IS NEEDED.
Send letters to the Mayor, talk about it, write about it, be heard.
I was completely dumbfounded when I heard about this planned affront to the Victims of 9/11, and even more so when I actually heard the words uttered by New York politicians, and even residents; Talk about dimmi…! The warm fuzzy these liberal left ignorant PC slaves got from the announcement would make any True Red Blooded American cringe… Of course they intend on staking a claim on the Sacred Ground of the Towers, it can be nothing else… A “cultural center” talk about stealth jihad, who in their right mind with bombings, VBIED’s and the constant fire our Troops face EVERY DAY, could Any American accept this insult. Pat Condell’s take is spot on, and included a bit of history I didn’t connect regarding Spain, and its link to the purposed building name. Conquered territory in deed… Like HELL. The first damn thing these animals do is put up a minaret & a mosque once they get gone cleaning their swords. Never, I say Never should these animals be allowed anywhere near Ground Zero, and Pat had a wonderful idea: “Death Valley” would be appropreate… Then lets see if the ACLU complains about their “Emblem” being located in a National Park…! I’m going to send this video to any and all True Americans I know…. the word has to be gotten out before the dimmi in NYC allow this to go one brick further.
I wish more people were to able to understand that the Islamification of our world is unacceptable especially as it is even an offence to own a bible in some muslim countries and to build a christian church in say soudi-arabia would be a real ask? It is about time the world heard more from the likes of Pat Condell.
It is not religious or racial intollerence to find Islam unacceptable but the fact that these people have no tollerance for us or our beliefs and that their aim is eventual takeover of our countries by migration and multiplication at a far greater rate than us. When they eventually take over I doubt they will show us the same tollerence and acceptanve we show them now.
Pat Condell has said what our whimpy politicians were afraid to say. Standing up for America is not politically correct in our present government. Our elected officials are more concerned about offending those who come here with hate in their guts for the American people than to protect their homeland. Thank you Mr. Condell for telling it like it is. I only wish that those we placed in Washington to represent us open their eyes to the threat we are all facing here in America.
I am not a Jew, but I think I will support them by eating some Hebrew Nationals.
Very important message.
I would only add, “Think MONEY.”
Those “public servants” who SUPPORT and/or have taken official positions in favor of this horrendously offensive project very likely have fat offshore accounts, now, thanks to Islamists.
Western Civil Democratic Society is founded on the notion that “The Church” is not “The Ruling State” — that the INDIVIDUAL is the proper seat of all possible LIBERTY that can be exercised without compromising the LIBERTY of other individuals.
Islam is founded on the diametrically opposite notion that THE CHURCH RULES ALL, TOTALLY AND ABSOLUTELY!
Is that what we REALLY WANT?
It IS what we will get, if good men and women aren’t willing to take a stand against the encroachment of such totalitarianism of “THE CHRUCH” and against the corruption of so-called public servants who are so delighted to sell out our future.
It was interesting to see and hear the comments of Mr. Condell. It was more than interesting, it was worth more than I could ever pay to see and hear. He was on spot and right in everything he said.
Great dialogue Mr. Condell. Say more.
As per his norm…………..brilliant Pat
This is page where he has posted some of his VERY POLITE !!!! (not) comments…….so much for the religion of peace!!
Seriously though, Brigitte Gabriel has a petition running at present, to stop the building of this insult to the memory of those who were slaughtered in the name of islam . I ( will not use a capital letter for its name)
Time for you yanks to wake that sleeping Giant again!!!!
Good luck fighting terrorism with hatred. Destroying countries to hit on a small army of terrorists has proven not to be very productive. How many wars before we realise that we cannot dictate the entire world our ‘superior’ way of life. Why don’t we learn from history, and why does our fear makes us believe people can be murdered for a good cause.
Xenophobic nonsense. If you think it was ok to build a church near the Branch Davidian compound after that tragedy, then you should have no problem with a mosque standing near Ground Zero.
Bastardized versions of Christianity AND Islam led to the slaughter of innocents.
Don’t be a hypocrite, Pat + followers!
In my view, Pat is totally on point. The major problem that I see with this religion is that it teaches the most extreme measures. It fails to point out one major thing. In this world you only have one thing and that is your life. If you have no regard for the only possession that you have in this world, then you are beyond help. How ignorant is it to teach, a young person about hate, violence, 40 virgins and all the wine you can drink? It truly is sad and beyond ignorance.
I remember once hearing the Pope in Rome saying: “give me a child until he is 6 years old and I will give you back a finished product”. It all starts with family values, homelife and something to believe in that is good. Until that occurs in the religions that breed and teach hate, we are all at risk. Therefore as a starting point, I think the political leaders who are endorsing this building in Lower New York City should take a walk thru one of the countless National Cemeteries and stroll thru the endless white stones that carry the names of those who gave their only worldly possession (their lives) to maintain the freedom and way of life we enjoy. The building of a mosque is a direct insult of the higest form to those who died for the United States of America, including but not limited to those who died on 9/11.
Hopefully, common sense will take hold and the politicians that “WE” voted into office will realize what they are about to endorse. If this building is allowed at that site, it is another stepping stone to the bridge to conquer America.
God Bless America and every American.
Now waaa-aaait a minnn-nnnute…
Gen. McChrystal has built dozens of (christian) churches, synogogues, and other structures of islamic blasphemy in Afghanistan and Iraq for our so wonderful, invading troops of course.
Why would Pat expect any different treatment for us from Islamists?
Hypocrites, all of you. Yes — you!!!
This is a true statement and i believe most of us in the western world think this way but are scared to openly admit for fear of persecution.Political correctness is not in our best interests all the time,to often starting something is wrong draws criticism as being racist or anti religion. My views are that any race or religion that causes the demoralization of victims of a terrorist attack by building their temple so close to such a site that was destroyed in the name of their god ,has no place in north America.
Hey Pat, What makes you think we want a friggin mosque in Arizona ??? We’ve already stepped up to the plate in attempting to get rid of illegals…….Maybe NYC should wake up and get rid of their liberal millionaire politicians and take back that city before they start praying to allah every 1/2 hour…..get off your ass America while your still able….
PS: Don’t think you want to start messing with the Arizona desert…be advised we don’t care for camels or those who ride them !!!
My hat is off to Pat Condell, and I think that this video is brilliant! It should be shown to everyone, in this country and around the world. HOW DARE THEY EVEN CONSIDER SUCH A THING! Building a mosque at Ground Zero is not only in very, very poor taste, IT IS AN OUTRAGE! WHAT IS GOING THROUGH THE MINDS OF THE LEADERS OF NEW YORK CITY, AND STATE? WAKE UP MAYOR BLOOMBERG, and GOVERNOR PATTERSON!! This is the very religion that was responsible for the distruction of the World Trade Center, and the loss of 3,000 lives in that tragedy! To put a mosque near that site, or anywhere in New York City, is an INSULT to the people of New York, and of this country! WAKE UP AMERICA! We cannot allow this to continue!!
Thank you for being sane
All Muslims are terrorists.
All Americans are massively overweight, Nascar watching, hillbilly, no toothed, trailer park, illiterate, malodorous, welfare recipient, unemployed, divorced, crack addicted, gun toting, war mongering, Catholic right wing Jerry Springer guests.
Man, those Muslims in their temples – the NERVE of them to pray in our country. And all you other nuts who don’t believe in George Bush’s god…shame on YOU. Jesus is going to come back any day now and make sure no mosque gets built at ground zero – Chuck Norris will be with him so WATCH OUT.
Perhaps it is time to send a message of our own as Americans. Vote out all the present incumbents up for election this year no matter who they are and let those who are elected know that their job can continue only if they do what is good for America and not themselves. Imagine what would happen if members of the entire House of Representatives were defeated. Hmmm, makes one wonder doesn’t it? By the way this is within our constitutional rights to for vote any qualified candidate that is running for office.
God bless Pat Condell.
After reading many of the comments, I feel like I am back in “1700 something” fighting like a “Minuteman” to keep this country free. The government posts at that time were unpaid positions. It was work but not a job. Where do politicians get the audacity to want to be paid for the work that they are supposed to be volunteering for?
Next, I personally will place an American flag at the top of the mosque, remove it and another one will appear once again.
Perhaps someone could place a “bug” in the mosque to monotor their meetings. What flag do they give allegiance to? They might be caught and tried for sedition.
But, this would be stooping to conquer and that lowers ones dignity not to meantion invasion of privacy laws.
What can Christian Americans do?
America has always been a country of Christians as an unwritten law, just like England has many unwritten laws that are enforced through their lifestyles. You Brits know what I am referring to!
If Islamics want a mosque, let them conform to the unwritten laws of America by showing proper respect to the many human beings the members of their cult killed. No mosques within so many miles of any place that would convey to any Islamic a sense of having conquered America. This should be made into law STAT. Come on you law makers. Move it.
During World War II those German Americans who fully supported America had to stop speaking German. They were not allowed to speak German! All of the Japaneese Americans who believed in America were forced into prisions. No doubt the Japaneese had to speak only English also. Many years later I had the chance to learn German in school, but was told that I was too stupid. Imagine, my own ethnic nationality was denied me in order to be American. My grandmother did not teach me German and what she knew she gradually forgot. It means that we were denied jobs in fields where our specialized knowledge would have been an advantage. (eg. U.N., telephone companies)
Let’s learn from the politics of our own history.
#1. Force Islamics to speak only English.
It is the language of America.
#2. All Islamic-Americans should be put into prisions until this “WAR on terrorists” is over.
Either we will see a lot of converts to Christianity or a lot of Islamics leaving America. Maybe even both.
We are not at war against a certain country,
we are at war against people that destroy life,
the lives of others, and our freedom to live life and pursue happiness without harming others.
One has to wonder what kind of Americans raise up their children to commit acts of cruelty to animals and people. If you see or know of anyone who treats animials with malice, be fore warned that the next step in cruelty is to human beings. This sinister life style must be stopped.
God bless America.
The God of Moses, The One God, The Only God, The God of the Trinity-Father, Son & Holy Spirit, bless all human beings everywhere and keep them from insanity.
Forgive my spelling errors, I had a dyslexic moment and forgot to spell check before sending.
It is very hard to believe that a religion of 1.58 billion people, 2nd largest in the world are all bound on destroying the rest of us! There are Extremists in every religion (just look at the tea bag followers of Sarah Palin, Evangelical). I despite their reasons, they should understand that they will upset people, so just leave it alone.
This guy, Condell, had me but then lost me within the 1st minute of his inaccuracy-filled, self-righteous tirade.
The fact is, Pat Condell IS WRONG when he says that the Islam “religion killed nearly 3000 people” on 9/11. The “religion” of Islam killed NO ONE. To say that would be analogous to saying that Baptists (Christianity) blew-up the Murrah building in 1995.
However, even if you still want to subscribe to Condell’s point-of-view, wouldn’t it be more Christ-like and safer to reach-out to any group that wishes us harm?! It seems that offering an olive branch does much less to stir the hatred of our enemies then does, say, killing MILLIONS of their civilians.
* LASTLY, I don’t recall “freedom of religion” being removed from the Constitution recently… did I miss something?
Oh, PamB, “hard to believe” is it?? Where have you been?? Have you not heard Ahmadinejad’s rantings? Or, try looking at it this another way: if only, say, 5% of Muslims are “extremists,” how many of them is that who want to destroy us?
And, please, stop getting all your “news” from HuffingtonPost.com!! You probably haven’t been to a Tea Party rally to see the diversity on display there – yes, even non-believers and agnostics attend!! The movement isn’t about religion – it is about preserving the values of America that have sustained liberty and freedom.
So, you’re in favor of leaving people alone to assure that we don’t upset them . . . and just what do you fear in upsetting them?? Hmm-m-m, better give some serious consideration to the personal values underlying your position. What exactly do you stand for?? What are the ironclad values that guide your judgement and decision-making?
No, no, don’t start typing! THINK!!
This insult is akin to raising a statue of Hitler at the gates of Buchenwald.
Condell makes an entertaining point. As a stand up comedian and critic of all organized religion, he is good at that. But I think he misses the real outrage here. This mosque, or Islamic community center, is being built with our money — our oil dollars, to be precise. The Muslims are able to buy such expensive Manhattan real estate, and build huge buildings on it, only because we are spending billions of dollars every year to buy oil from despotic regimes that
stay in power only by co-opting their extreme Islamic religious leaders. The U.S. has about 5% of the world’s population but consumes almost 25% of its oil. And less than 40% of our oil consumption comes from U.S. wells. Even if we drilled more deep water wells like the one currently fouling the Gulf of Mexico, we would not provide more than 50% of our own oil consumption.
If you really want to do something about the spread of Islamo-fascism, start by cutting back on oil consumption. Buy an electric or hybrid car. Support development of alternative fuels, including construction of nuclear power plants (and don’t be a NIMBY – “not in my back yard”). France gets most of its electricity from nuclear power and manages to safely dispose of its waste without incident. And if you are really serious about sending a message to the petro-oligarchs, support the $1/gallon gasoline “patriot” tax, like New York Times columnist Tom Friedman has been advocating (see
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/19/opinion/19friedman.html). With this tax, we could send a political message to the oil companies, we could reduce our production of greenhouse gases and reduce our federal budget deficits. As far as
I am concerned, this is an environmental, economic, and national security necessity.
There were a few in support of having the mosque. One in particular call those against the Muslims, the Mosque, “racists”
Here’s my take on that. I received an email that was sent to me from
a friend via a friend of his. It was a picture doctored up of Obama looking like
a white person. The question over the picture was” Do you like Obama now”?
At the bottom it said “If you still don’t like him I guess you’re not a racists”.
I had to tell you that to tell you this. I don’t care if these people are black,
white, yellow, brown or sky-blue-pink . I don’t like them. I don’t trust them,
I don’t want them any closer to me than half way around the world.
Mohammad was a warrior, a murderer, he did not tolerate anybody who
disagreed with him. Mohammad was a bully. His followers called him Ali
His followers said he was a prophet. That’s nice! Who made him a prophet,
Satin? Mohammad showed up 600 AD . Six hundred years after Christ.
Define the love of God and try to apply it to Islam, to the Muslims.
Start with Trust, they trust nobody that’s not a Muslim.
If you support these people and your not a Muslim, you have no idea, no concept what makes these people tick.
I cannot believe a m,an who spits so much vile crap has a folllowing, he is utter scum and the rest of you who support him aren’t much better
In view of the tragedy which took place at Ground 0 and the subsequent pain and suffering still being felt by those who survived that horrendous scenario.How could Politicians be so insensitive to both the physical and emotional wounds of those survivors!!!
Abraham Lincoln said “A Government is to be for the people by the People” Why donÂ´t the politicians carry out a referendum to ask the people of New York if they want or need such a building..unless of course there is a traitor or traitors among them.
NO TO ANY ISLAMIC MOSQUE IN NEW YORK.!!! I totally agree with Pat Condell.If they want to bulid a Mosque on American soil let the Obama adminstration sell them some land in Death Valley!!!!!!!
America -dont beat yourselves up -use your democratic right and have a vote on this insane mosque issue -surely the majority would consider this mosque at best an insult by those killed “in the name of Islam” -
To James W Lennon -you must be out of your mind or simply do not know your facts – the people that committed 9/11 where islamic homicidal maniacs wanting to wage Jihad against the infidel “in the name of allah” – pull your head out of your rear end -they admit to this in terms of all their jihadist paraphanalia left behind after their murderous, heinous, despicable, bastardly act.
The sad part of this reality is that I personally know many wonderful, warm, caring individuals whom are of the Islamic Faith. Every religion – much like the radical right-wing Christian based Tea Party movement, or the ultra pro-Israel Jewish Settlers building in the West Bank with a Torah in one hand and a gun in the other – has a small percentage of radicalism within its population. With Islam however, the terrorism and radicalism has been felt globally on a much broader level than with the other religions, and perpetuating those actions are militant groups proudly claiming responsibility and national leaders claiming holy war against the West.
The reality is that if the Islamic Middle Eastern Nations didn’t control most of the world’s oil supply, governments wouldn’t yield as much as they do. We saw it with the Flotilla a few weeks ago… This was obviously a setup to make Israel look bad, and anyone with a mediocre IQ and an objective outlook can see this truth as clear as day, yet we saw the reaction across the globe.
For the millions of beautiful, loving keepers of the Islamic Faith, I am truly sorry that your societies are burdened by the fundamentalists that insist on the rest of the world doing things their way. Should there be a huge mosque built on Ground Zero with a 9/11 unveiling? Probably not. Many Americans – especially families of 9/11 victims – will be infuriated and it will undoubtedly be seen as a slap in the face, and equally obvious will be the standard message that our government is once again held hostage to oil and will compromise its integrity (as it so often does) for the sake of convenience, money and short-sightedness.
Ever heard of Sleeper Cells?
As some of our minds are at a little more ease, because of our fast-paced lives after almost 9 years after 911, we tend to forget how quickly they hit us! We all know ITS NOT OVER by a long shot! This just proves the theory of Communism at our door-step! BAM!!! Just like that. Keep in mind our President had his name changed to Barrack Hussein Obama.(A Moslem)
It WILL HAPPEN AGAIN!
Please NEVER FORGET!!
Here’s a fast solution… In the dead of night, take several buckets of pigs blood, and some pig carcasses, guts and so forth and scatter them on the site this way they cannot consecrate the soil to Allah, and the stinking thing would never be built there. Also why are Muslims consorting with Jews thier mortal enemy ??? Bloomberg is a Jew, how can he condone them building the rotten thing anywhere in NYC ??? OBama started this ‘not to offend’ buisness by not having his hand over his heart saluting our flag which men have died for for generations so he could have the freedom to do that. Because he didn’t want to be percieved, as taking sides. If he’s a Muslim, than why isn’t wifey wearing the garb, and the kiddies too ??? I wonder if he beats her ??? And is she a slave ??? Our troops are out there dying everyday for our freedom, and he’s made a mockery of the way we live as Americans, and he wasn’t even born here, and is a puppet of big money like George Soros and his ilk, sort of like the “Manchurian Candidate” Somehow in the next election all of the 535 in congress has to be gotten rid of so we can live like Freedom Loving Americans again On another issue: Part of Arizona is off limits to Americans, because the Mexican Drug Cartels have taken over the area. Why doesn’t he send in a Stryker Brigade, some Apache helos, and wipe them out sort of like what was done in Waco some years back. No, because he kissed Calderon’s backside when he visited him recently-you don’t hear anything on the liberal news about that do you…. Freedom of speech & press have been curtailed, and the majority of American people are in the dark about what’s going on. That’s right I forgot, Blame Bush !!! At least we won a sort of victory last week when the Supreme Court struck down the ruling by Federal Court that would prevent us from owning firearms. At least they have the guts to stand up to him. Someway we have to fire him like he did to GEN McChrystal who was a good man… A true Patriot, and we don’t need a yes man like Petraeus, or Mullen….
We could just fly a plane into the thing. With nobody in there of course. The message would come across pretty clear, while still retaining higher ground.
I think the Arizona Desert or Death Valley is not appropriate. Perhaps the desert national park in india. Not America. We don’t need anymore BamaNazi’s in america, thank you very much.
Pat Condell is right “on the money”. Islamism is much worst than Nazism. It must be eradicated before it’s not too late.
We are getting closer and closer to the point of no return . . .
Here is my second hand exposure to 911, as a reminder of who AMERICANS are:
Eddie Bishop saw a buddy who was a fire fighter as he was entering the Twin Towers, and waved. As the guy put down the fire hose to wave back, something fell on him, knocking him to the ground. Eddie started to run towards his buddy to help him, until he realized it had been a human body that fell on his buddy. He stopped. He looked up and saw the Tower above him starting to come straight down. He turned and ran, “…as fast as I had EVER run in my entire life.”
He ran for several city blocks and stopped, bent over, coughing and throwing up. He held onto a car tire to stay upright. He suddenly realized what had just happened, and ran straight back into the concrete dust. He said, “I left my BUDDY back there!” He was a part time policeman so they let him search in the rubble for two weeks with a five gallon pail and small shovel. He told me, “Every day, I kept thinking there has to be SOMEBODY alive in there…..” but he never found anything but pieces of human beings. His wife finally found him and argued with nurse at the site to let her take him away. He was resting frequently but admitted, “I couldn’t tell if I was asleep or just seeing the same things in my head, over and over again.” Eddie carries tiny badges in his wallet and smiles as he proudly shows what the City of NY gave him as a reward for his efforts. Obviously, he never found his buddy.
This is a Wake Up Call for Americans, no matter where we live! So let’s take action by writing or phoning the Mayor of New York, also the Governor of New York, and let them know “we the people” are totally against a Mosque being built anywhere near the former Twin Towers property.
This is an unreasonable move on the part of unreasonable people–once they get a foot hold in New York, then they will KNOW they can control the rest of us–and agree, the U.N. also appears to be pro-Islam and likely should be moved to property “outside” the borders of our Nation, or the other countries of the world will think decisions made by the U.N. are what Americans stand for.
Let’s let them know by phoning and letter-writting that a Mosque is not a replacement, but a dishonor to those who died in the 911 Tragedy!
As another Famous Activist states, “DO SOMETHING!”
“And fight in the way of Allah those who fight you. But do not transgress limits. Truly Allah loves not the transgressors.”
- Qur’an, Surah Al-Baqarah (2:190)
The dangerous escalation of violence in the world is disturbing to all people of conscience, from September 11 to the Middle East battles, and other random acts of violence perpetrated at innocent civilians.
In Islam, several things are clear:
* Suicide is forbidden. “O ye who believe!… [do not] kill yourselves, for truly Allah has been to you Most Merciful. If any do that in rancour and injustice, soon shall We cast him into the Fire…” (Qur’an 4:29-30).
* The taking of life is allowed only by way of justice (i.e. the death penalty for murder), but even then, forgiveness is better. “Nor take life – which Allah has made sacred – except for just cause…” (17:33).
* In pre-Islamic Arabia, retaliation and mass murder was commonplace. If someone was killed, the victim’s tribe would retaliate against the murderer’s entire tribe. This practice was directly forbidden in the Qur’an (2:178-179). Following this statement of law, the Qur’an says, “After this, whoever exceeds the limits shall be in grave chastisement” (2:178). No matter what wrong we perceive as being done against us, we may not lash out against an entire population of people.
* The Qur’an admonishes those who oppress others and transgress beyond the bounds of what is right and just. “The blame is only against those who oppress men with wrongdoing and insolently transgress beyond bounds through the land, defying right and justice. For such there will be a chastisement grievous (in the Hereafter)” (42:42).
* Harming innocent bystanders, even in times of war, was forbidden by the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). This includes women, children, noncombatant bystanders, and even trees and crops. Nothing is to be harmed unless the person or thing is actively engaged in an assault against Muslims.
The predominant theme in the Qur’an is forgiveness and peace. Allah (God) is Merciful and Forgiving, and seeks that in His followers. Indeed, most people who spend time on a personal level with ordinary Muslims have found them to be peaceful, honest, hard-working, civic-minded people.
In the fight against terrorism of all forms, it is important to understand who or what is our enemy. We can only fight against this horror if we understand its causes and motivations. What motivates a person to lash out in this violent, inhumane way? As the About.com Guide to Terrorism Issues points out, researchers conclude that religion neither causes nor explains suicide terrorism. The true motivation of such attacks is something that all of us — mental health professionals, politicians, and common people — need to understand, so that we can address the issues more honestly, prevent more violence, and find ways to work towards lasting peace.
Please visit the links below to read what Muslim scholars and Islamic governmental leaders have recently declared about this subject.
“O ye who believe! Remain steadfast for Allah, bearing witness to justice. Do not allow your hatred for others make you swerve to wrongdoing and turn you away from justice. Be just; that is closer to true piety.”
- Qur’an, Surah al-Maidah (5:8)
Question: What does the Qur’an say about terrorism?
Muslims claim that their faith promotes justice, peace, and freedom. Critics of the faith (and some Muslims themselves) cite verses from the Qur’an that seem to promote violent, armed warfare. How can these different images be reconciled?
Answer: The entire Qur’an, taken as a complete text, gives a message of hope, faith, and peace to a faith community of one billion people. The overwhelming message is that peace is to be found through faith in God, and justice among fellow human beings.
At the time the Qur’an was revealed (7th century A.D.), there was no United Nations or Amnesty International to keep the peace or expose injustice. Inter-tribal violence and vengeance was commonplace. As a matter of survival, one must have been willing to defend against aggression from all sides. Nevertheless, the Qur’an repeatedly urges forgiveness and restraint, and warns believers not to “transgress” or become “oppressors.” Some examples:
If anyone slays a person
- unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land -
it would be as if he slew all people.
And if anyone saves a life,
it would be as if he saved the life of all people.
Invite all to the way of your Lord
with wisdom and beautiful preaching.
And argue with them
in ways that are best and most gracious…
And if you punish,
let your punishment be proportional
to the wrong that has been done to you.
But if you show patience, that is indeed the best course.
Be patient, for your patience is from God.
And do not grieve over them,
or distress yourself because of their plots.
For God is with those who restrain themselves,
and those who do good.
Oh you who believe!
Stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to God,
even against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin,
and whether it be against rich or poor,
for God can best protect both.
Follow not the cravings of your hearts, lest you swerve,
and if you distort justice or decline to do justice,
verily God is well acquainted with all that you do.
The recompense for an injury
is an injury equal thereto (in degree),
but if a person forgives and makes reconciliation,
his reward is due from God,
for God loves not those who do wrong.
But indeed, if any do help and defend themselves
after a wrong done to them,
against such there is no cause of blame.
The blame is only against those who oppress men
with wrongdoing and insolently transgress
beyond bounds through the land,
defying right and justice.
For such there will be a penalty grievous (in the Hereafter).
But indeed, if any show patience and forgive,
that would truly be an affair of great resolution.
Goodness and evil are not equal.
Repel evil with what is better.
Then that person with whom there was hatred,
may become your intimate friend!
And no one will be granted such goodness
except those who exercise patience and self-restraint,
none but people of the greatest good fortune.
Cultures of violence are the problem, not the religion of Islam. Did we blame Christianity for the Northern Ireland/ Ireland violence? What do we say about what the Europeans, and subsequent US government, did to the Indigenous Americans? The Turks to the Armenians circa WWI? South Africa under apartheid? We seem awful selective about who we blame, or if we blame or, in some cases, if we even remember.
The video assumes all Muslims are the same. Again, a bigoted “Us. v. Them”
We know that all Jews are not the same: Hasidic, Orthodox, Reformed.
We know not all Christian are the same: Catholic, Mormon, Unitarian.
Why, then, must Muslims all be cast in their worst possible stereotype? Frankly, betrays a lack of understanding.
We are all, individually, defined by our actions. I am a murder if i murder, not if my Father, Brother or Neighbor murders. We cannot pass judgment upon a whole group based a radical few. If we do, what must we think of conservative Christians after an abortion clinic is bombed?
All Christians were were not Klan members, all African Americans were not Black Panthers. Saying so, or implying as much, just furthers a divide we need to spend our lifetimes bridging.
The US was to stand for freedom, to stand for the unbridled ability to be the individual that you are. Black, White, Man, Woman, Gay, Straight, Christian, Jew, Muslim, Atheist… All with the same rights and opportunities. All with equal access to buy a home, eating at a lunch counter, getting a job, worshiping openly, openly not worshiping.
Fairness isn’t easy, Prejudice is. The rights of those in this country are not just for the individuals with whom the masses agree, in fact, they exist precisely to defend those whom the masses condemn.
We are Americans. We stand for equality.
If a church can go there, so can a mosque, so can a synagogue. That is equality. It’s just that simple.
(Is it in good taste? well, that’s another question all together. Though, to say that Muslims are being insensitive, then to show contempt for a politically correct culture in the same breath seems to want ones cake and want to eat it too)
Yes, Pat says it all. We are in the tank and our politicians are completely on board with it. The only thing that could stop this momentum, is the entire nation rising up in protest against their own government to hold accountable the dirty politicos, that are enabling this move to communism….Big Brother is the government and the people are feeling hopless. If this were 60′s, we would take our own federal and state governments to court. But it isn’t…so what can we do but pray?
I’m pretty disgusted as are many of our people, but that and $1.25 will just about buy a cup of coffee. Please Lord, have mercy on us!
Islam should be banned from the free world!
so i guess all Christians are Child Molesters since the priests are molesting kids as reported in the news..
If u can generalize Islam based on the acts of some Muslims fanatics, then the world can generalize Christianity based on the acts of some priests!!!
Let’s get Islam (spit on the ground) out of the USA!
It is sad that we as Americans are not listening to the people around the world that have already experienced what is going on now in the U.S. Pat’s description of what the islamist are trying to do to everyone that is not like they are is frightening and sadly accurate. Conservatives, Liberals, and Independents alike need to heed these words and join in a common belief that the freedoms afforded to a few extreme people is an unacceptable sacrifice to the general population or none of us will be allowed to speak freely, act freely and live freely.
Our laws apply to our citizens and any LEGAL visitors to our country. We are not and should never be subject to laws that are not our own.
I suppose they are planning to leave walking directions and maps to their “mosque” draped on the memorial at ground zero.
This is the most disgusting, arrogant move these animals can make on the citizens of the U.S.A.
How can we ban together to let our government know that we will not allow this structure. Will a 300,000,000 signed protest do the trick? I guarantee every citizen of our country would sign a petition to prevent this from becomming a reality.
when is this country and our leaders going to smarten up? have we not learned anything?
Good job Pat. This is truely pathetic. How many churches and temples exist in Muslum countries in the middle east? I bet the Saudi’s are contributing plenty to this mosque. How many churches and temples exist in Saudi Arabia?
It is one thing to be open, transparent and forgiving. It is something else to be submissive and weak in the face of your enemy. Common sense is not so common in the United States. We continue to allow ourselves to be led by the wolves in sheeps clothing. Whether it was George Bush, Mitt Romney or Barack Obama it is now all the same.
There are several factual and logical errors with Mr. Condell’s rant. First off, a religion didn’t kill anyone, it was religious zealots. Killing in the name of religion is a time-honored tradtion, that goes back long before Muhammad ever went on the Road to Mecca. Second, he mentions nazism, saying we have no more obligation to accomodate Islam than we to to accomodate Nazism. The problem is, we DO accomdate Nazism, allowing Nazi parties, Nazi candidates, and Nazi rallys.It’s that pesky Constitution; the same one that prohibits us from banning the free exercise of religion, also permits the freedoms of speech and peaceful assembly, even to assholes with whom we disagree. He also mentions diversity as one of the things that makes America the robust, vibrant society it is, while in the very next line sneering at our tolerance. Diversity is OK, i guess, as long as we’re not too diverse. If we really want to stick it to Saudi Arabia, we could do two things. Trade in all our SUV’s for compact cars, and resist the temptation to emulate the Saudis, who are, after all, the world leaders in prohibiting, banning, and otherwise harrassing religions and people of other faiths.
Gosh. I am so not surprised. And I am very very worried. Not about Islam but those poor people who decide to attend that mosque. Why would anyone want to be in a building regularly in an area where such a tragedy happened/ What if some crazy person tried to do that again? That poor mosque could accidentally be destroyed in another such attack on neighboring buildings. After all, Ground Zero does have a lot of bad history now. And there are some who are making threats to this day. I think we should all pray for the safety of the people attending that new mosque. Just in case.
Perhaps the victims the supporters of the mosque wish to honor are those “poor boys” who “sacrificed” their lives while killing thousands in the towers and creating a permanent blight on millions.
It makes me want to vomit.
You are ranting against the wrong thing, and using erroneous facts and fallacious reasoning to do it.
You are also conveniently forgetting that 23 Muslims died in the attacks (roughly the same % as in the US population).
To say that Islam is a religion of terror, would be like saying Christianity is a religion of murder, or Scientology a religion of tax evasion. (All three assertions are more or less true.)
If you paraphrase (in your own butchered understanding) tenets of Islam, you must do the same for Christianity. I mean, have you read the Old and/or New Testaments? (I have. Three versions.) If your child talks back to you…the punishment? DEATH. Planning on doing some yardwork on Sunday? DEATH. Who should mete out this punishment? Anyone who witnesses it. It goes on and on. Even Jesus–when a fig tree looked at him crossly, guess the punishment: That’s right, DEATH.
Or how about using terror and indiscriminate killing to further a political agenda? Heard of the “Crusades”? The “Dark Ages”? The “Witch Trials”? “Shock and Awe”? (And if you question that last one: look up the definition of “Terrorism” and tell me it isn’t the very definition.)
The number of innocent civilians–mostly women and children–killed in Iraq is 10,000 at the (absurdly) lowest, to 1 million at the highest. (Most experts tend to settle on 100,000.) 100,000 innocent human lives. 3,000 people died in the 9/11 attacks.
Are we even yet?
I do agree with your overall sentiment–the outrage over the idea of a Mosque at Ground Zero. (I’m also skeptical of the reality of such plans, but will do my own research using.) But I tend to tune people out who make assertions of the absolute, such as “anyone who denies this is wrong” (two absolutes in one sentence).
And while it’s clear you believe it doesn’t matter (but in fact it does–that is, if similar Christian pleas over Christian atrocities also matter), you have also failed to mention that the overwhelming majority of Muslim clerics have condemned the attacks as being fundamentally anti-Islam. Just as many modern-day Judeo-Christian shamans decry the barbarism in both Old and New Testaments (the latter cult using lame excuses and circuitous logic of Jesus rendering the Old Testament basically null and void).
*ALL* religion and other forms of extreme groupthink are the disease. (This includes jingoism, hyper-nationalism, and other forms of arbitrary, unreasonably passionate group identification resulting in extreme, uncivilized and/or harmful behavior.) Irreligion is the only cure. And I don’t mean a Jihad against religion–I mean we must all wake up, rub our sleepy eyes, and reject ALL religion, superstition, nonscience, antiscience, groupthink, propaganda, and miscellaneous nonsense.
Religion and other forms of irrational thought will die on their own when enough people dismiss it out-of-hand as the fallacy of children. (After all, you don’t see people killing in the name of the Tooth Fairy.) Although, I doubt I will live to see that day. I’m sure there are people reading this (probably most decidedly anti-Muslim).
Death Valley no better place for them!
The same year Islam and Judaism’s holiest holidays overlapped for 10 days.
Muslims racked up 397 dead bodies in 94 terror attacks across 10
countries during this time… while Jews worked on their 159th Nobel Prize
Satan is the god of death and destruction
How much longer will our nation’s people lay down with the lion that will soon devour them? Erecting a mosque near the site of the most horrendous crimes committed against the American people, by Muslim fanatics, is just unbearable to say the least. It would be like Germany asking the Jewish nation of Israel to allow them to erect a statue of Hitler and his top comrades in the middle of Jerusalem. Wake up my fellow citizens! Wake from your slumber before it is too late for all of us. Contact every elected official in New York and in Washington that you can. Write every news paper you can. Fight back! Fear for our country and way of life before it is too late for us.
I how eloquent a statement, with one area of disagreement. PLEASE leave the Arizona desert and Death Valley alone. Perhaps the middle of the Gulf of Mexico would be more appropriate for the grand mosque, on the bottom of the sea bed.
I can’t believe that anybody in their right mind would allow this to happen. I hate even the idea that a mosque will be built on this site. However maybe this will wake up
those Americans who have their heads so far up their rectums that they have “fecal amnesia”.
Get ready, the next Crusade may be coming soon.
TO ALL POLITICIANS:
If you are so certain there is no danger in allowing assimilation (or what they call Islamification) or more tolerance towards a religion which has proven to be dangerous (Muslim). LET’S MAKE A DEAL. If another single terrorist act happens from this stupidity you will allow me to cut off your right hand and left foot. Or you will agree to trade your daughter for $1,000 in marriage to me at the age of my choice so long as it is above the age of 12 (and she will agree to consent).
Sound drastic? – Muslims practice this in more than 20 countries and they intend on practicing that here in the good Old USA.
THINK THIS IS A SICK JOKE?
WATCH THESE VIDEO PLAYLISTS:
ISLAM – Honor Killing in America
Islam ~ Muslim: Education Videos
. . . Now is it more sick to allow Muslims to Islamify our country or is it more sick to agree to my terms?
So…should I hate and distrust my Muslim neighbors? They are nice, middle class, hard working people with 2 nice, well behaved kids.
What would Mr. Spencer have me do? Christianity says “love thy neighbor”.
Pat failed to mention that the Islamic temple is on the Jewish sacred mountain in Jerusalem.
And people wonder why the Jews dislike them?
And to those wishywashy Christians who dodge the issue by quoting ‘love thy neighbour’, read your Bible and see how God has dealt with them in the past – hundreds of thousands killed overnight. Or read the book of Esther. Better still, watch the movie “A Night with the King”
Sure – Love your Neighbour – but hate what he does if it is against your sure beliefs.
Well it just seems another great blunder of American politicians for monitary gain shows thru once again.Can we not see that this stuff is a Muslim ploy to gain yet another foothold in this country.What will it take to make people realize just what is going on,how many of our Son’s and Daughter’s sacrificed to make us wake up.Have you not seen the dismemberment,death of our men and women to realize
enough is enough???? Wake up America before it is too late
and we are forced to do what the Muslims want.
We fought off Japanese dominance,German dominance,and even Soviet indoctrination…….you can see whats on the horizon,don’t let this happen.
The majority of those living in the United States of America do not see what is happening to this once great country. They are beyond being couch potatoes. At least the couch potatoe sees the news. You must have noticed the silence from the Hollywood crowd. How smart they thought they were! Oprah, haven’t heard a word from ya? What the hell happened? Until this, do nothing, moron who sits in the white house is removed, we must attempt to educate those who want something for nothing. If we, the ones that really care, don’t vote him out, I guarantee you will see marshall law hit the cities. You will see the morons looting for no other reason, other than they can. The Los Angeles riots will look like a Girl Scout hot dog roast. You people who expect something for nothing, had best get out of the way. The REAL citizens of the United States of America are going to take charge, and CHARGE they will! God Bless you all, and the Flag will still stand!
If one takes Osuma Bin Ladden’s birthdate March 10, 1957 and calculates the days to Sept 11, 2001, we get 16,256 . (5+2-1)6,6 =666
If we take June 9, 2012 -the End date- and subtract 666 days, we get August 14, 2010 -the sabbath. Expect something big to happen.
A Mosque at the ground zero location of the World Trade Center attack? You have got to be F’n kidding me !
“Stupid is as stupid does”. “That’s all I got to say about that” (Credit both quotes to Forest Gump 1994)
The only problem I have with this video is the misinfo regarding 9/11. I think enough people in the world know by now that it was NOT a few bungling Muslim terrorists who miraculously flew passenger jets into those towers and attacked the mighty Pentagon! ALL terrorist groups are set up, funded, and cared for by our very own intelligence services. This has been admitted in the US Senate. (See video: Ron Paul, Israel Created Hamas). It was the CIA who funded and pushed the idea of setting up radical Islamic schools for children – that is the roots of the terrorism we have in the world today!
And who controls FOX News?? Not the CIA – no – never! And where are the Nazis today? What about Operation Paperclip that took all the most intelligent and evil of the Nazis after the war and set them up in the States for the sole purpose of using their skills at mind control and rocket engineering.
I suggest first that one does not have to look far back in history to understand that some of the most appalling treatment of human beings, by human beings, has been perpetrated in the name of religion – the Spanish Inquisition, the Crusades, the seemingly never-ending animosity between certain Catholics and Protestants and many other such instances.
However, we are now in the 21st century and just as the Inquisition is dead, the Crusades over years ago and (hopefully) the Irish ‘Troubles’ a thing of the past, so should radical Islam realise that their culture belongs more in the middle ages than 2010 and is not acceptable to the majority.
I don’t hold Islam, per se, responsible for what happened over 9/11 and other such Islamic atrocities, for I believe that Islam itself is no worse or better than any other religion. I also believe that its majority believers genuinely believe and wish to live in harmony.
No, it’s the minority which causes the trouble, just as they do in so many other instances. Just think …. sports hooligans, Al Quaeda, Basque separists, psychopaths and the like, destroyinging things for the majority who want a peaceful existence.
Thugs are thugs – wherever they are and whatever religion they are – and there should be a harsher control of their activities. 9/11 was an outrage against humanity, as were the other outrages quoted and to believe that allowing the erection of an Islamic mosque on Ground Zero would be a successful forgive and forget act would be living in cloud cuckoo land. IT MUST NOT BE ALLOWED.
First let me say that I have never seen so much scary “change” in our country so quickly. Laws are being passed left and right without our foreknowledge and many by political morons that are not concerned enough to even know what they are passing. I recently saw an email clip showing a protest in New York regarding the building of the mosque but I saw nothing on the news about it and the email stated that no media coverage was given. WHY??? I totally agree with Mr. Condell and I do not understand why the leaders of this country can not or refuse to see what a large majority of the average citizens are observing. I have heard several acquaintances say “the muslims here are peaceful, they’re not radical” and I respond with~ that is because at this point they have no recourse but to be peaceful but you wait until they get enough muslims in this country to run for political positions and change our laws to expedite their cause and you will see how PEACEFUL they are. Open eyes are good but we must all be ‘doers’ and let our government officials know that we don’t like it and we are NOT going to let it happen. God bless Pat Condell! God help America!
This just wrong!!!! What are these people thinking they are so STUPID!!!!!
I am offended! Being born and raised in the Southwest United States and as a Christian I do not want a Mosque built anywhere in the US and least of all in the South West. It bad enough that we have a Mexican invasion going on here, that the US Government does nothing about, without you promoting an Islamic Invasion…..
If we are complacent about this, we deserve what’s coming. The gradual encroachment on the freedoms we’ve taken for granted is moving fast. Maybe fast enough so that the apathetic among us will begin to notice.
But like a spoiled child who got everything he wanted, then suddenly finds himself on his own, Americans will wonder where it all went. Then they’ll wonder why “somebody” didn’t do something.
Well, we are somebody. While there may still be enough freedom for the money to be put in play to build this monstrosity, there’s still enough freedom of expression and political pressure to stop it. What we may be lacking is the will.
So, America, will up!
This gave me chills. I loved it. I don’t think anyone in the world could have said it better. America and the entire world needs to wake up and stand against Islam. At least Islam as it’s now known. Where do I sign to voice my opinion on a mosque at ground zero? Thank you Pat Condell for awakening something in me. I intend to pass this on to everyone I know.
As a white and christian american active duty military member who has been to the middle east several times I am embarrassed by by what a lot of the people in America are saying about this mosque and the Islamic religion. People need to stop being so ignorant and learn how to separate the religion from the terrorism. They are separate. There are extremists in every culture and belief. The extremists are the problem. Christian extremists are a problem as well. Wake up people! Our country stands for freedom of many things and religion and speech are two of them. Period. You are all embarrassing yourself and other fellow americans with your extremist ranting.
I hadn’t heard of this new atrocity. (or maybe not so new?) I am sickened by what I just heard, to dishonor those who lost their very innocent lives that day, and the familys left behind. No one could have said it better than this man, “Bravo!” but what a shame that it had to be a Brit instead of an American to put it into such perfect words. If us ‘Americans’ allow this to happen then shame on us! I’ve got to go throw up now.
I have also just heard of this planned lunacy.
I say let them have “Vito and Tony” build da ting with a little help from some “electronics experts” from IDF Corp on 47th St. to provide “modern communications” and “networking.” It may run about tree, maybe four or five hunnitt percent over budget but, hey… who dey gonna complain to? It might fail one, maybe two, maybe seven inspections…but-hey…deese tings happen if ya ain’t Yankees fans. To save weight, the building could be made out of Cyclotrimethylenetrinitramine, a fine plastic that can be molded and shaped.
Did you know that New York suffers from earthquakes and radicals who have bombed buildings in the past and who knows…perhaps one day that building may just end up going ‘poof’ into the land of the 71 virgins…
I’m just sayin…
July 16, 2010.
Pat Condell has not waited for others to speak up as most of us in North America and the rest of world do. While each and every person on this planet needs to discover, if they have not already, for our world to survive, we need to co-exist and respect others who are different than us as individuals.
This attempted action of building a mosque near ground zero, in my view, in an insult to man kind. This proposed mosque should rather be built 30,000 feet below the 911 Pennsylvania crash site of flight 93. The 30 thousand foot deep elevation should be supplied as a rental location on which the mosque can be built. Thereafter, a reasonable rental fee payable one year in advance on a monthly basis should be $1,000,000,000 or as many zeros as one wished to add.
These rental sums would then be distributed to all cost elements and the people directly affected by the 911 terrorist disasters. Should the people responsible for building, maintaining and supporting the mosque fail to pay their monthly rent, all the action that is needed is to fill the elevator shaft with 100 feet of gravel and rock.
For those that wonder why I suggested 30,000 feet below the surface, I consider the dive to the death of flight 93 began at about 30,000 feet above the earth. In any event, let us all take at least one step forward and reach out to our fellow men and women and attempt to co-exist on what is becoming a fragile planet.
I’m going to go out on a limb on this one…
To start, please understand that I mean no disrespect to the families or friends of the victims of this disgusting act of terrorism and I, in no way condone the actions of the monsters who perpetrated, planned, and carried out these attacks. These were evil people who deserve nothing more than the hate that this video clearly displays. That said, deserving hate and receiving it are two completely different things. I believe that the American people are capable of so much more.
I am a god loving individual that has dedicated his life to peace and understanding. I am a Christian, however I do not believe it is my right to force my religion on anyone. I believe that communication and compassion are the only way to ensure that an attack of this magnitude never happens again.
I believe that hate is the seed that spawns wars and terrorism. Based on the views of Pat Condell and the many individuals who responded to this video, I can see that hate is far too prominent in today’s American society. Islam is not the enemy, terrorism is.
Has anyone stopped to ask why it would be more moral to build a Church or Synagogue on the site than a Mosque? What if a Mosque was built as an act of defiance against fundamentalist, Muslim terrorists? What if having a Mosque would show these terrorists that Islam is a religion of peace and that Islamic terrorism does not define the religion itself. There is no mention in the Koran that killing innocent citizens is an act of holiness. I truly believe that the Ground Zero site is amongst the most appropriate places in the world for prayer and self reflection.
Throughout countless generations, many American soldiers have died in the name of freedom. They have given their lives so that we, as American citizens can live in peace and harmony without the threat of persecution for our religious and moral beliefs. I believe that we are a strong, proud, compassionate people and I believe that we should allow our citizens to pray wherever and whenever to the God to whom we pray.
…Just food for thought.
The best defense is a good offense. Wouldn’t it be enlightning to have some like minded developer types propose to construct places of “worship” in as many muslum countries as we could? What do you all think would happen?
I just hope that enough American’s see this and respond in every way possible to get this building stopped.
As far as putting it somewhere else, not on American soil is my feelings. But that means nothing as long as we have a muslim as president. the same president that kissed the feet of a self appointed king of some land blessed with oil beneath the sand.
Where have the true American’s gone? the ones whose sons and daughters died for the ideals this country was built on. This is a sad time in America’s histroy to sit and watch it be sold and stolen and given away by and to peoples who care less about the freedoms it was built on.
I am sorry for the spelling errors i am typing faster than i know how and looking thru tears…..
I suppose it’s useless for me to attempt to add a little compassion to this discussion, but I will try my best. I am a devout Christian. I am also a college professor. Over the last 35 years I have had numerous students who were Muslims. I learned alot from them and hopefully, they learned something from me as well. I never heard a word of hate from any of them. It is important that we remember that those who committed the terrible acts of 9/11 were a handful of very hateful people who completely misrespresented the millions of people and many Americans who practice Islam. In fact, many of those who were killed in the towers were Muslims. Just as there is room for all Christian traditions and also Jewish beliefs of those who perished in the Holocaust of 9/11, we must also remember those Americans of Islamic faith who serve in our military, in our Congress, and who are our American neighbors. Hatred brought us 9/11. Let us not meet hatred with more hatred, or no lesson will have been learned from that awful event.
Everyone should hear this and be out there protesting the building of this mosque !
This was excellent !
Islamophobia: Have We Learned Anything From History?
An Editorial by Warren J. Blumenfeld
Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. –Santayana
Two months following Japan’s attack on Pearl Harbor, on February 19, 1942, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt signed Executive Order 9066 authorizing military officials to operate “military areas” as “exclusion zones,” from which “any or all persons may be excluded.” This order justified the exclusion and forced relocation of all people of Japanese ancestry from the entire Pacific coast into concentration campus in the interior U.S. Though the country was at war with Germany and Italy as well, and though no single case of suspected Japanese American espionage activity was ever proven, the government stripped an estimated 110,000 Japanese U.S.-American citizens of their constitutional protections and their property, and transported them long distances.
It was not until 1988 when Congress passed legislation apologizing and providing monetary reparations to Japanese Americans for this tragic chapter in U.S. history. The legislation confirmed that the actions taken by our government were founded on “race prejudice, war hysteria, and a failure of political leadership.”
Fast forward to the horrendous events of September 11, 2001. A national poll found that 31% of U.S. residents asserted that our government should incarcerate Arab Americas in concentration camps as we did with Japanese Americans during World War II.
I wonder whether we have learned anything from history? To stereotype and scapegoat all followers of Islam for the events of 9/11 is as invalid as blaming all Christians for the despicable actions perpetrated by Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma City bomber who was a devout Christian.
The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) released its 2006 report finding that approximately 25% of U.S.-Americans consider Islam as a religion of hatred and violence, and that those with the most biased attitudes tend to be older, less educated, politically conservative, and are more often to belong to the Republican Party.
Though a 1963 U.S. Supreme Court case ruled unconstitutional any mandatory prayers or Bible readings at public schools or the promotion of religion, subsequent rulings declared the constitutionality of many forms of personal religious expression on school campuses.
The physical education teacher of a Muslim elementary school student in Iowa, however, forbad her from wearing a traditional Muslim full-body swimming garment during instruction in the school pool, but ordered her, instead, to wear a western-style bathing suit, which would force the student to act against her faith. Her mother was compelled to educate the principal on Muslim religious practices. After much discussion, the principal agreed to permit the student to wear a swimming garment of her choice, though he warned the girl’s parent that the child would most likely incur angry and mocking epithets from her classmates.
Muslim students, faculty, and staff, however, are routinely not accorded the opportunity to have a safe prayer space on campus to perform the salat (prayer), as required by the Five Pillars of Islam. A case in point involved a 17-year-old high school junior in Ohio, who was barred by school administrators from praying in an empty classroom at lunch and before and after class hours. In this case, CAIR stepped in on the student’s behalf, and convinced the school district to reverse its policy.
Today, especially since September 11, 2001, we see growing numbers of violent acts directed against Muslims. During the single year of 2005, for example, CAIR listed a total of 1,522 civil rights violations against American Muslims, 114 of which were violent hate crimes. The report included incidents of violence, as well as harassment and discriminatory treatment, including “unreasonable arrests, detentions, and searches/seizures.” For example, the CAIR report included an incident in which a Muslim woman wearing a hijab (the garment many Muslim women wear in public) took her baby for a walk in a stroller, when a man driving a truck nearly ran them over. The woman cried out that, “You almost killed my baby!,” and the man responded, “It wouldn’t have been a big loss.”
Nearly one-quarter of all reported civil rights violations against American Muslims involve unwarranted arrests and searches. Law enforcement agencies routinely “profile” Muslims of apparent Middle Eastern heritage in airports or simply while driving in their cars for interrogation and invasive and aggressive searches. In addition, governmental agencies, such as the IRS and FBI, continue to enter individuals’ private homes and mosques and make unreasonable arrests and detentions.
Individuals have targeted Sikhs and Hindus as well. Between 2002 and 2005, the Sikh Coalition organization listed 62 hate crimes directed against Sikh citizens of the United States. National attention focused on the severe beating of Rajinder Singh Shalsa in New York City, and the fatal shooting of Sikh gas station owner Balbir Singh Sodhi in Mesa, Arizona. It is widely assumed that Sikhs are targeted because they wear turbans, which the public imagination equates with Muslims, which equates with “terrorism.”
In June 2003, attackers targeted Saurabh Bhalerao, a 24- year-old Indian graduate student studying in Massachusetts, who robbed, burned him with cigarettes, beat, stuffed in a truck, and twice stabbed before they dumped him along the road. The attackers allegedly misidentified this Hindu student as a Muslim because during the assault, the perpetrators yelled at him, “Go back to Iraq”.
Islamic xenophobia routinely surfaced throughout the last presidential election. Members of the political right challenged and spread rumors regarding Barack Obama’s cultural, social, and religious background, political philosophies, U.S. birth status, and patriotism. Insinuations flew about his supposed Islamic background connected to his alleged Marxist and Fascist (which is a contradiction) political influences.
Opponents referred to him as Barack Hussein Obama – with emphasis on “Hussein” — in their attempts to connect him not only to the Muslim faith, but also to the former ruler of Iraq. In actuality, his middle name is indeed “Hussein,” which in Arabic translates to “good” or “beautiful.” Furthermore, since this country is founded on the notion of freedom of religion, whichever religious or non-religious background any candidate, or any individual, follows should in no way disqualify or call into question their credentials.
Islamophobia can be defined as prejudice and discrimination toward the religion of Islam and Muslims who follow its teachings and practices. Like racism and sexism, for example, Islamophibia is much more than a fear, for it is a taught and often learned attitude and behavior, and, therefore, falls under the category of oppression.
Good article, but nobody is talking about beating up Muslims or taking away their rights. It’s NOT a coincidence that they are planning to open a mosque adjacent to Ground Zero on the 10th anniversary of the Sep 11 attacks. It’s a deliberate, well thought out act by the same ‘People’ who committed the attack. To suggest otherwise implies that the builders of the mosque are idiots who have no knowledge of current events and America’s feelings about Ground Zero. Try building a US Air Force cultural center adjacent to ground zero in Hiroshima.
I think it was a condition from the insurer. The insurer figured it would lower the risk of a terrorist event. In effect the mosque is to be used as a hostage. That said, a southern barbecue joint with open windows serving pulled pork and beer would make a nice neighbor.
Kudos to Pat Cardell for his informed, sensible, articulate piece! He takes more information than I have had, and he offers a pattern that should spur us all to action. Let’s write the NYC Mayor and the NY Times and any other major players in this decision-making. We must not let our passion for kindness nurture the quiet (for now) invasion of our country by those who hate us. Estimates are that in 20 years, there will be enough Islamists in this country to elect an Islamist President. Where will you live in 20 years?
America made a statement when they voted a Muslim into the office of the Presidency.. since borders are always open to Muslims, we will be a Muslim country with in the next 10 years…get ready for it. Obama has already told foreign country’s we are not a Christian Nation.
Ok, I agree with all this 100% but what can we do about it? Where do we go as a collective force to stop this from happening?
Totally and completely the truth. Our own president is a muslim and that’s why he is so trying to destroy America with his actions. We have to wake up and fight back against this terror group, which is what islam is all about. Murderers and terrorists.
Pat, you have said more about my views on islam in 6 minutes than I could have ever done. And Pat, I think it needs to be mentioned that although there is somewhat of a divide as to how sharia law is to be spread, i.e., through violent or peaceable means, it needs to be mentioned that there is almost no divide amongst the whole of islam that the worldwide conquest by islam needs to be done. So the ideology itself doesn’t condemn spreading it thru violent means, it’s just that some disagree with the violence and would prefer emmigrating in large numbers to Christian countries, having huge families, and, oh, let’s say, building monserous mosques near places like Ground Zero.
Well done, Pat. Keep up the good fight. You have an ally in me.
This is a comment with which I agree, but I resent some of the comments submitted by the viewers. For one thing, President Obama is a NOT a muslim. He is a practicing Christian. He was born in Indonesia to a Christian mother, brought up by Christian grandparents. He actually saw his African Muslim father only once in his life – when he was 10, for a brief time. To make these baseless accusations that he is a muslim is to diminish the validity of comments and those who made them I totally reject them as untrue, and based upon ignorance of the facts.
This is America, so let’s keep it fair – in the American spirit. And lets not construct Mosques in places where they will be perceived as insulting. Ground zero is a site of a great tragedy and should be respected as such. A mosque does not belong there. Lea Frey
Definitely a very well articulated opinion about a subject that should be appalling to all New Yorkers. The only unfortunate comment made by Mr. Condell is when he compares extreme Muslim ideology with Nationalism (or Nazism). It’s the same as trying to compare apples to oranges; or liberals to conservatives – they are on opposite ends of the political spectrum. The fact is that ANY organized group regardless of race or religion that supported attacks against German citizens between 1932 and 1945 would have been escorted out of the country by the pointed end of a bayonet. This may sound a little harsh in today’s politically correct environment, but my point is that Hitler’s Germany would never have tolerated such an act; and that fair-minded German people who only wanted freedom and liberty like the rest of us would have stood firm against such an encroachment on the sanctity of the German State.
Yes, I agree that an Islamic Mosque should not be built on the site of the old World Trade Center buildings. But my reasons are thus: First: yes, it would be a slap in the face to those who died on 9/11 and their families and friends. I agree that we cannot blame all Muslems of being terrorists but only a small few. I feel that a mosque built at the Ground Zero site would be a very sad reminder of the day that the terrorism was perpetrated against all of America. And to those who have been left behind would cause hate and bad feelings to grow more rampantly among Americans against the Muslems that are peaceful and kind. Also, if it is out of compassion and tolerance that the government leaders have said that the mosque could be built there, then where is their compassion and tolerance for those families and friends of the departed Americans and others from 9/11? We need to show those people compassion and caring first and foremost.
There has, throughout history, always been war and murder for the sake of some kind of religion. It has been mentioned here several times. With each occurence of violence perpetrated against another country or community, hatred has grown for the offending peoples because of the violence that the people had to endure. We can only end this kind of violence by doing away with human civilization all together. And I believe that one day it will happen. And the only way it will happen is if some higher power steps in. Humans cannot do this on their own. And the building of some sort of building on the ground that was won by the act of warfare is also common. But that does not mean that it should be allowed unconditionally.
Our country has changed since it’s inception. Not necessarily for the better. We are supposed to be a land of tolerance and religious freedom. Yet our legislation and legal system have allowed and justified intolerance of religious practice. Most of the time the intolerance and restrictions of religious practice have come against Christions. Practicing ones faith in front of someone else is not “pushing or promoting their religion” on another person. It is the free practice of such. Just as a person is free to wear shorts and a T-shirt in the winter even though others consider it insane and unwise. And it is also because of our “tolerance and sensitivity towards others” that there are constantly restrictions being placed on someone because something they do is considered insensitive to someone else. Where does one persons rights begin and another’s end? There can be no defined line there. To restrict one person’s right to practice their personal beliefs is to practice intolerance against that person and in return the same type of intolerance should be practiced against all.
I also wish to say to Mr. Jim Collier, religion is not Irrational thought. Religion, as defined, is a belief binding the spiritual nature of man to a supernatural being; any system of faith and worship;…..conschientious devotion of practise; scrupulous care. As such, atheism, agnosticism, and any other “belief” is or can be one’s religion. Even a persons career can be their “religion.’
A religious Faith, is the constant belief in something spiritual, unseen, or concrete. Faith,by definition, is the firm belief in something someone states, affirms, or testifies simply on the ground of his truth or veracity; The assent of the mind or understanding to the truth of what God has revealed; belief in the testimony of God as contained in Scriptures. So, to have or followed a religious faith, is neither irrational thinking or a waste of one’s time. If people truly followed the original teaches of whatever religious faith they have, this world would not be in such a state. There would be more people holding to a belief that kindness, love, compassion and acceptance of each other is of the highest importance.
As a baby boomer I have known the fear of the cold war following the 2nd world war. The fear I felt then as a child is miniscule compared to the fear I have for Muslims. I am insulted by looking at women wearing the Burqua because to me it represents 9/11.
I believe we should ask the relations of the people who lost loved ones on 9/11 if they agree to the mosque being built.
Can you imagine losing your child, your husband, your wife or one of your parents on that day, and then be told that a Muslim mosque 13 stories high close to their last seconds on earth will cast a shadow over their lost lives.
Tell them to go to hell.
Get a backbone America
Get a backbone England.
I think we should allow the Mosque as long as it’s respectful to the community.
Lots of bad things happen, but in the history of the world, racism and prejudice are the worse.
Yes- The structure proposed is ostentatious literally and emotionally, but freedom of religion is one of the excellent reasons why the USA was founded. Our country has always stood for courage and dignity.
All people who believe in Islam are not terrorists. The religion has been around for over a thousand years- so it is a religion. We have a system here. When we give respect we expect to get it. Respect a religious building request, and respect for the feelings of individuals of the community seems very American.
Let our way of reasoning prevail- work it to get what you want. Zoning laws can deal with the structure that’s respectful – unless they’re being paid off, which implies they too are Islamic dupes according to this rant. This hating is like hating all Germans because of the Nazi’s or thinking all Jews are thieves because of Madoff. Racism of any type is a cancer, irrational, emotional, flamboyant and utterly destructive to humanity.
Stay clear, cool, and smart. Intuition balances what you sense which is fear, with what you know through experience, and what you feel in your heart. Listen to your intuition, not your fear. You will make the decisions that give you what you want.
To the person who said “Just wait until we have a muslum in the White House” I have only this to say “WHAT MAKES YOU SURE THAT WE DON’T ALREADY HAVE ONE IN THE WHITE HOUSE!!
My heart weeps that our great country would consider, for even one minute, allowing this mosque to built anywhere near this most sacred and hallowed ground. Upon visiting the site on my first and only trip to New York City, I became angry that passers-by had the audacity to speak and/or be loud as they walked near it. For many it has already become “common place” and too quickly forgotten. Upon departing the site my tears were inconsolable, and I didn’t have one single human connection to anyone who died there. Just a love for my great country’s freedom and a terrible sadness for the senseless suffering that occurred.
My father was wounded at Iwo Jima and my brother in Viet Nam. Both survived the battle, but not the raging war of alcoholism and PTSD that followed.Lives and families were devastated defending this great country. The same is happening each and every day in 2010.
Allowing a Mosque to be built anywhere near this sacred, hallowed ground is an affront to everything our soldiers are dying for on the battlefield today and our law enforcement officers are dying protecting and defending.
I am a law enforcement “surviving” widow and stand appalled at the transformation of my great country.
We are a better than this and those “left behind” after the 9/11 attacks deserve better. Where is the outrage?
This all boils down to one word: “OIL”—many of us said the same when Bush & his cronies told us it was our patriotic duty to invade Iraq. “OIL” If we want to be truly patriotic, then let’s reinstate the “draft.” Just think of all the slackers & “gang-bangers” we could get off the streets; not to mention how re-opening closed military bases, and building new ones would help our ailing economy in so many ways. The “draft” is also an excellent way of keeping track of people and educating, training, and preparing the population for self-defence—which is sorely needed in this time of terrorism. How many of our youngsters have been sent to Arab lands for 2 or 3 tours of duty? Obama wanted these overworked and underpaid military to have to pay for their insurance. He said, “They’re volunteers. They chose to go.” This NUT is our commanding officer. Let’s face it, folks—the last few Presidents have had no military training. When Pres. Wilson pushed through the “draft” to beef-up for WWI, there was an outcry. Freedom is NOT FREE. As a country we have become very spoiled, lazy and stupid. Ask yourself where respect has gone, and manners, and patriotism. As a “baby boomer” I remember a country where we didn’t have to lock our doors at night, and knew all our neighbors. We were all proud to be Americans, and knew our history and our Bible backwards and forwards. We knew who we were, and what we stood for. The words “character” and “integrity” had meaning in daily living. We worshipped God—not the dollar bill. What has happened to America, some may ask…as we bend over backwards for the “global” community to “LIKE US”, and even questioned ourselves after 9/11: “Why would the Arabs do this? Why do they hate us?” Well, if we still had a backbone, and a united belief in what America stands for, and more American history in our schools instead of spending all the school-time on I-Step preparation, and a stronger military, and higher regard for the military, and less “yellow journalism”, and basic self-respect—well, maybe we could regain a notion of what America is, and what it means to us, and just where and when we are ready to draw “a line in the sand” and back it up with conviction. So many people on TV keep doing shows on Armageddon in 2012. Do we really believe that?? Are we to the point that we are now afraid to live. . .afraid to take a stand…and no longer capable of knowing “right from wrong” ??? How come our Moms always knew. Down in our bellies we know, in the dead of night. Remember some of our historic Presidents that we still hold in high esteem?–it didn’t matter if they were Republican or Democrat—but we knew they were for America, and they made us proud to be American. Only you & I can turn this country around. Stand up, America! NO MOSQUE at the 9/11 MEMORIAL SITE!!!!
1. This mosque is a mask for other intentions.
2. People, you are giving Jonathan an audience for his nonsense. I would do the equivalent of turning your back to him by refraining from comment to him. He obviously loves and needs an audience.
3. I would hope that all contractors would refuse to be part of this purposed fiasco. I would hope this would also include all suppliers of construction material and every worker who in any way came in touch with this project. If the politicians won’t stand up for America, then each American must stand. We can only hope that the need/greed for money will not influence workers who know this project just isn’t right.
4. Regarding politicians – the inmates are running the insane asylum! There are two major parties just to make us think we have a choice.
5. We need to radically reduce our dependence on foreign oil, pull our forces out of the middle east and bring them home and invite all those who think the middle eastern way of thinking is correct to go make their homes in the middle eastern countries. There is no need to fight if we are not jocking for their oil and they are in a place compatible to their beliefs. If they cannot blend with our mixed society, then go where they are wanted. I enjoy learning of other customs and beliefs but surely do not wish to live with people whose main focus is infiltration and murder. In nature, the strongest survive. Man sends his strongest, bravest and best off to be slaughtered and maimed on foreign soil. That’s a very high price to be paid for oil. And just what are we doing to our own gene pool by sacrificing our best?
Well said Pat….. An Englishman with enough balls to say it the way it is ….We need you here in N/A mate….
You really should run for presidency of the world !
Pat would have a bit more credibility if he argued that all religious institutions should be banned from building anywhere in this country as a result of the past atrocities committed by anyone marginally associated with their cults. I happen to believe, for example, that the Christian Right is responsible for infinitely more suffering and death each year than the Muslim extremists who attacked us on 9/11. They accomplish this by propagating hatred against minorities, women, and homosexuals; by dint of of their war mongering in the middle east; by fighting against a humane social welfare system that cares for the poor, comforts the sick, aids the unemployed and downtrodden, demands a livable wage for workers, and so on and so forth. So why should they be allowed to build churches in the very communities they are helping to destroy? As an atheist, I could live in a country free of religion, but as an American I value the religious freedom that allows you to believe what you choose, Muslims to believe what they choose, the Westboro Baptist Church to believe what they believe, and me not to believe at all.
Does anyone know where to write to to block this building?
You can see how ineffective that flotilla attempt to alter public opinion is.
The Islamic millitants keep going on about 9 likked on aide ship/
The truth is Israel has a legal blockade which they imposed when Hamas was elected in Gaza. Hamas is out to destroy Jewws and Israel specifically. The blockade since it has a military objective is legal and proportionate to the threat to Israel’s existence.
Under innternational law, specifically the San Remo Manual which is referred to as the law of blockades and naval warefare. Section IV staes that international waters are fair game in enforcing the blockade. Club and knife weilding activists become conbatants as soon as they attack the soldiers.
If you think Gazans are suffering google “Gaza Mall” Nice new mall and great pictures. Where did they get the cement and goods for this western style mall ?
Fanatic Muslims hate us almost as much as Jews. They are amoung us as is evident in several attempts to kill Americans and Canadians. The hate they have for us is unbelieveable.
The NYC council shot this project down as far as I know. I watched a good part of the meeting and the project took some serious heat from the council.
I post on several threads with Jews and Arabs . The hatred is so deep it will never go away.
America shpuld fear the militant mislims. Unfortunately some very honourable Muslims will suffer.
All religions are sick in my opinion. All races have and can inflict autrocities.
I’m an Atheist and every day I see things that confirm my views.
The world is manipulated by media especially the internet. There are organized propogandists who promote their viewws with no regard to truth. Global Warming is a prime example of a sick sham.
“Aasiya Z. Hassan, a 37-year-old Muslim woman, was founded decapitated in Orchard Park, N.Y., a village near Buffalo. Her husband, Muzzammil Hassan, 44, admits that he beheaded his wife. Yet now, in a bizarre turn in the case, Muzzammil Hassan has claimed that he was the real victim in the case, driven to murder his wife after enduring years of her emotional and physical abuse ”
Nice guy! My wife irritates me but she still has her head. This religion allows fanatics to carry out autrocities against women.
We dont want it in Arizona either. they can go back to the middle east.
There’s one major thing wrong with what he is saying, which is the fact that the official story of 9-11 was completely fabricated. The Muslims did not do it! The other major factor is that scapegoating any group is polarizing, which is the problem in our world. We are all interconnected, regardless of religion or politics. There’s one family on this planet, and it is the human family. When are we going to wake up and stop this nonsense?
It is so appalling to me as an American citizen how complacent, submissive, and tolerant this country has become. This is really it, the enemy within has truly arrived and this current Obama administration is a catlyst. Since they have been in office, the push towards Islam/Muslim tolerance and acceptance has never been blatently obvious. How can they expect honest Americans to embrace, forgive, and accept Muslims after what has happened at Ground Zero and in Yemen (our naval ship that was bombed). Maybe, there needs to be more emphasis from the conservative syndicated news sources such as Fox, (because the liberal CNN and MSNBC and the like would never air it), on the Islamitization of Europe. Americans somehow need to know the truth of their agenda, what is “really” happening in Europe and what the Muslims\Islamists are really trying to do! Why is it that Christianity is so censured and taboo anymore even in America, the land of the FREE, the land of FREE SPEECH, the land of practicing ones RELIGION, (WHICH WAS FOUNDED UPON CHRISTIAN PRINCIPLES), “BUT DID NOT PREJUDICE AGAINST OTHER RELIGIONS”. It doesn’t seem to matter anymore that the Christmas tree was being downgraded to a simple Holiday tree, or that Merry Christmas was to forever be replaced by Happy Holidays, etc. But if you try to understate one or any part of the Muslim\Islamic religion, or circumvent one or any part of it, it is found to be so offensive and intolerable. It does not take being a rocket scientist to figure all this out, so why has America become so tolerant and apathetic? How can we get the word out and sound the alarm as to awaken and empower America before it is truly too late. Where is our Paul Revere’s and our George Washington’s? I am a U.S. Army Active Duty Veteran and the descendant of many Veterans. I am proud of the American Heritage, I am proud to be an American, but from the stories of my long gone relatives, the U.S. history books from which I have studied from, from the great country that I once served and defended by putting my life on the line for, to looking at what we have going on here now, it is getting harder to recognize my beloved United States of America. Where is she? Will you my fellow Americans please help me find her and return her to where she belongs? Once we restore her to her proper place, will you be willing to do what it takes to keep her safe and keep her from being deceived and kidnapped again?
“GOD BLESS AMERICA, LAND THAT I LOVE. STAND BESIDE HER AND GUIDE HER THROUGH THE NIGHT WITH A LIGHT FROM ABOVE”.
Thank you Pat Condell on the Ground Zero mosque idea.
I do agree with your words but I also wonder about forgiveness of others.
I will grant you the perfect site would be the UN area.
All of Washington need to sit down and watch this. They have gone soft on Jihad and radical Islamists. This was brilliantly written.
Pat says it best. We Americans are so gullible and want to be forgiving a Mosque should never be allowed especially at Ground Zero or anywhere in America. If it is built then someone should fly two planes into it and kill all of them in it. Why don’t they all go back to the Middle East and build their mosque there. The Middle East is vast and have lots of land why are they coming here to live or going to Europe, England and why do we allow them into our country. They hate us so why do they want to live amongst us. Go back, you have all of Saudia Arabia, Iran, Syria, Egypt, Iraq, etc. stay in your own country you are not welcome here.
Another clear sign of America’s weakness. Islam is a dominating and inhumane religion, that is even more corrupt within it self. Sounds like Americas government, Yeah? This religion will destroy and take away what EVERY American Soldier, Sailor, Marine and Airmen and our Founding Fathers fought for We must stop this, it shouldn’t even be discussed. We said “Freedom of Religion” Not change “Our Religion”.
>> The Uncomfortable Definition of an Infidel, by John Harrison MBE.
> Why I’ve ceased believing in anything to do with organised religion,
> No doubt I’ll be heading for the fire and brimstone.
> Allah or the Jesus Christ? The Muslim religion is by far the fastest
> growing religion in the UK.
> Last month I attended my annual training session that’s required for
> maintaining my prison security clearance. During the training session
> there was a presentation by three speakers representing the Roman
> Catholic, Protestant and Muslim faiths, who explained each of their
> I was particularly interested in what the Islamic Imam had to say
> The Imam gave a great presentation of the basics of Islam, complete
> with a
> After the presentations, time was provided for questions and answers.
> When it was my turn, I directed my question to the Imam and asked:
> ‘Please, correct me if I’m wrong, but I understand that most Imams and
> clerics of Islam have declared a holy jihad [Holy war] against the
> infidels of the world and, that by killing an infidel, (which is a
> command to all Muslims) they are assured of a place in heaven. If
> the case, can you give me the definition of an infidel?’
> There was no disagreement with my statements and, without hesitation,
> replied, ‘Non-believers!’
> I responded, ‘So, let me make sure I have this straight. All followers
> of Allah have been commanded to kill everyone who is not of your faith
> so they can have a place in heaven. Is that correct?’
> The expression on his face changed from one of authority and command
> that of ‘a little boy who had just been caught with his hand in the
> cookie jar.’
> He sheepishly replied, ‘Yes.’
> I then stated, ‘Well, I have a real problem trying to imagine Pope
> Benedict commanding all Catholics to kill those of your faith or Dr.
> Stanley ordering all Protestants to do the same in order to guarantee
> them a place in heaven!’
> The Imam was speechless!
> I continued, ‘I also have a problem with being your ‘friend’ when you
> and your brother clerics are telling your followers to kill me! Let me
> ask you a question. Would you rather have your Allah, who tells you to
> kill me in order for you to go to heaven, or my Jesus who tells me to
> love you because I am going to heaven and he wants you to be there
> You could have heard a pin drop as the Imam remained speechless.
> Needless to say, the organisers and promoters of the ‘Diversification’
> training seminar were not happy with this way of dealing with the
> Islamic Imam and exposing the truth about the Muslims’ beliefs.
> Within twenty years there will be enough Muslim voters in the U.K. to
> elect a government of their choice, complete with Sharia Law
> I think everyone in the U.K. should be required to read this, but with
> the Liberal justice system, liberal media and the political
> madness, there is no way this will be widely publicised.
> Please pass this on to all your e-mail contacts.
> John Harrison MBE. MIDSc
Bashing the overwhelming majority (Good Muslims) for the acts of miniscule minority (Bad Muslims) is of course manifestly unfair. But how did the bad ones become bad? They could have not become so in void space. It is what they have read, what they have been taught and what has been grilled into their mind that radicalized them. If a scripture is peppered with offensive messages like “kill the infidels” or other Gods and religions are false, what you think the out product will be like? Any person with a little grey matter will know that these are wrong even if they are words of God. The said minority practice what is preached to them. So the source of radicalization is the presence of such verses in the scripture and the preachers preaching them blindly without giving much thought.
Imam Feisal of NY should walk all his talks. The liberal that he is and as a projected model leader of the majority is he prepared to blank out these offensive verses from his copy of the scripture which he reads from the pulpit and call upon members of his congregation to do likewise?
The vicinity ground where the Twin Towers stood once is not the place for the proposed mosque to be. Sanctifying that soil with the symbol of Islam is a standing affront to those who lost their lives there and their family members for generations to come.
I agree with everything Mr. Condell says (espeically the part about the insensitivity of the Muslims behind this project), but I wish he would preface”extreme” or “radical” tp the word Islam when describing its leaders and/or followers. Being an aethiest, with no interest in (or bias towards) any religions, I think would make his very intellegent argumant more accurate and resignate better in the Muslim world. I have moderate Muslim friends (who I wish were much more vocal and resistant to the hi-jacking of thier religion), but they do share Mr. Condell’s belief that building a Mosque a ground-zero is a very bad and provocative act. And don’t get me wrong, I am not one of those who believes that radical-Muslims (or jihadist) are some insignifcant, lunatic fringe group. By all accounts (and surveys) 10% (or more) of the 1.0 billion Muslims on our planet condone, subscribe and/or partake in the use of Jihad, as a legitmate tool in their desire to spread of Islam – and Sahria law world-wide. That’s over 100 miilion Muslims – and that’s more than all the Nazi’s that terrorized our planet a half century or so ago… and look at the damage they were able to inflict on the world’s freedom and peace loving countires and citizens.
Well Said ! Wake Up People ! It is so true when Pat Condell says that if a Muslim denies or disagrees with this information they are lieing. They are under oath and tremendous pressure to follow their religion. It’s not just their religion, It is their way of life, politics and law.Everybody needs to get a copy of the Kuran and READ IT! It’s pretty much a blue print of orders to KILL THE INFIDEL which is ALL non believers. US! get it??? The Blue prints orders the muslims brotherhood to infiltrate America by means of politics, education and health. They are instructed to infiltrate our congress and revise our consitution to eventially become Shariah Law. IT”S HAPPENING! Any Muslim on any day will tell you this is not true as he or she has been ordered to lay low in order to achieve this revamping of America. And don’t be fooled for a minute that the Vote in November is going to change anything. Have You heard of ACORN??? Well guess what new organizations using who knows what name will be in charge of the vote count. King of like money talks and b—-s–t walks.Please excuse that vulgare phrase, but it’s true. Muslims are taking over everything it seems. Hotels, Motels,mini marts, gas stations, customer care at most large credit card companies. THINK!!!! They are lieing low now until they are strong and fully in control and then HOLY JEHAD will be called. Can you imagine all the gasoline stations in America blowing up. And the hospitals are taken over with these guys too. I don’t think this is just all coinsidental. DO YOU?????? Get that Kuran and READ IT!!!!!
Now let me see. Remember way back yonder in the ‘good’ book of the hebrews how their tribal god commanded them to kill everyone who they came across and also to steal their land, belongings and rape the virgin little girls? How soon we forget. These mongrels were led by ‘holy men’.
Remember all the cruel bloody inquisitions of the RCC and later the Protestants that took the lives of millions of innocent men, women and children? Remember how they tortured these poor helpless people in ways that sickens and boggles a sane mind? These were let also by ‘holy’ men.
Remember the puritans of this early nation of America who organized the ignorant witch hunts and it was also the so-called ‘holy’ men of god who brought this sickness to pass?
Remember in the NT how we are told we can believe or burn? Remember part of the reward for ‘believing’ is to get a chance to return with jesus to preform the mass murder of the heathens that will top all previous mass murders? Another brutal attack or pure hate led by yet another ‘holy’ man.
Now the world is seeing the religion of islam doing exactly what the other two Abrahamic religions have done so well in the past, still doing it and will continue on.
I would say that it seems one power hungry religion calling another power hungry religion names is the pot calling the kettle black. The reaction to killing is more killing. The reaction to hate is more hate.
All of these organized religions claim to be a doctrine of peace but you would be hardpressed to find a more degenerate and deadly institute than one of these Abrahamic institutes of deception.
Everyone of these ‘organizations’ are filled to the brim with pedophiles and snake oil salesmen living like parasites off the clueless. People who belong to or uphold any of these perverted institutions are responsible for every atrocity committed in the name of any god that commands bloodshed. Men created these gods in their own image and these gods only do the bidding of their creators. Wake the hell up.
Pat Condell’s comment on this is so true…our “president” and his cabinet and the stupid government officials behind him and the blind and ignorant citizens who refuse to see what is happening are FRIGTENING. They will be putting the Islamic flag on the White House. I am appalled at the thought of a mosque at Ground-Zero.
Obama will change your lives all right…he will take away all your rights and you idiots will smile and let him.
God help us.
Just WHY is everyone falling over backwards to please and appease the Muslim community at the expense of everything else.
These people came to our country by their own free will, they take our friendship, welfare and standard of living (far better than from where they came) and then abuse and decry the country that allowed them to settle here. If they hate us so much, just why are they still here?
Any demonstrations by them are just watched by the authorities whereas demos by others are immediatly policed and subdued.
The full face veil is a typical example (we all must have freedom of choice quotes an MP), whilst crash helmets and hoodies are banned in public places and buildings (is this racial discrimination?)
Wake up England and smell the coffee, the liberal thinkers and doers are whittleing away your country and freedom and selling us down the line.
Islam is the enemy.
Treat them accordingly.
Radical Islamists are the enemy. They are sponsored by Islam.
This guy is an ABSOLUTE GENIUS!!!! I’m so tired of the BS put out by the PC politicians….screw these bastards.
Mr. Condell hit it right out of the park, he talks more like an American than most of our non-representatives in DC (Decadent City.) Kinda reminds me of the fella from up north who told the world to take a flying **** at a rolling doughnut when they were putting US down (they still are) and blaming us for all their, self inflicted, woes.
It was mentioned that Mr. Condell usually gets it right, are there other videos of his commentaries?
I have just seen this clip and followed up with some investigation as to its truth and consequences. I also read some of the comments that followed its posting.
Let me state on the front end that I am a non-practicing jew, an American, and proud of both identifications. Let me state, too, that what I am most proud of as an American is that we are a nation of laws, of indiscriminate laws, that allows believers of all systems of faith to worship and practice as they believe so long as their faiths and practices do not infringe on the faiths and practices of others. Similarly, I firmly believe that there are members of all faiths, and members of all ethnic and cultural groups, who do not have similar beliefs and practices and would have no compunction about abusing the rights and privileges of others of different faiths and different ethnicities and nationalities. Such people are deplorable and do not fit into our cultural, national, legal, and ethical framework. As such, these people should be watched carefully and closely, and to the extent that they intend to create havoc upon any or all other law-abiding people of any faith or ethnicity, should be removed from social and even national life. (As compared to having their lives actually eliminated, unless they actually act on their faith and cultural beliefs.)
As one commentator noted, all religions, and indeed all nationalities are guilty of crimes against humanity making any one religion or nationality a hypocrite to throw a stone at any of the others. Also, it should be noted that, as a nation of law, we, the citizens, should be ever-diligent in reinforcing these laws in ways that never expose us as hypocrites. To do so would be to lose any moral authority forever, just as one would think about “good Christians” who hang black men for looking at white women; or “good Jews” who fail to see the inanity of subjugating “palestinians” (intentionally not capitalized and in quotes due to the only-recent naming of the co-habitants of what used to be called Palestine) after the subjugation suffered during the Hitler years and before; or “good Hindus” who have no problem lashing out at Muslim neighbors simply because they are Muslim.
My point is, as a nation of law, if someone legally buys a piece of property zoned according to statutes that allow religious-affiliated structures to be built, then said buyer has the inalienable right to do so, as offensive as it may be when it borders a sacred site. To treat this in any other way – with violent or defamatory reactions – draws our nation and our values and our ethos to the level of hypocrisy, and worse, to the level of lawlessness, that we deem other cultures and faiths. Once given that power, the people could, as any Jew knows, turn toward another group and disallow that group on legitimate or illegitimate grounds from building, practicing or engaging in their faith.
On a final note: we are not at war with Islam. We are opposed to those of that faith who disregard some very fundamental values which define Judeo-Christian cultures and nations. Unfortunately, we cannot fight against the religion, its proponents nor its adherents carte blanc; we can only fight against those who intend to act in ways that are essentially criminal and destructive of our way of life. Our war is against the crimes and criminals – just as it is against our own citizens and foreign nationals who intend to violate what makes America great: LAW.
People of New York and New York City you are crazy to allow any type mosque building project in the state or anywhere near the Twin Towers area. The Twin Towers is your Alamo. Texans hold dear the fact that over 200 men died to establish Texas independence. We remember our Alamo and the determination to fight to the death. You owe the muslim faith nothing. Can you imagine a thirteen story building next to the Alamo honoring Santa Anna and the Mexican government?
Come on New York, we in the south respect you but you have to have courage enough to tear down every brick muslims put in place to dishonor the deceased New York families. What will the children of these fallen people think of you for not having courage enough to challenge this stupidity.
After the 9-11 disaster I met a New York fireman who was vacationing in Colorado. I told him our elementary school kids had collected a five gallon jug of money and sent it to New York to help our American friends. The fireman sent me a small plack when he returned home thanking our students for their help. If the muslims really wanted to help they would denounce Jihad and provide the 100 million to the children they orphaned to pay college expenses. Personally I would not accept a penny from any of them.
Think about it, they do not deserve one square inch of American soil to build anything. I can not believe you have such turn coat politicians who are selling out American families for money. It just ain’t right! Vote them out as soon as possible.
This is absolutely unacceptable. NYC I beg you to consider the families of the people that lost their lives on 9-11. What a lack of respect for the innocent families of the Americans who gave their lives in this senseless crime. I saw an interview with a muslin who offered this explaination. “We want to show the Americans we do sympathize with them, and all muslins are not terrorists” — this is of course true, all muslins are not terrorists, just as all whites are not racist and all blacks are not criminals. But this is like rubbing salt in the wound. Build your Mosque someplace else, and leave NYC alone…leave the money out of this, leave the politicians out of this, show your compassion for your fellow humanbeing and walk away from this…
America please do not allow this. I am wanting to go to NY in a year or two, this will effect me, as I will find it hard to go to ground zero or NY knowing a mosque will be there, I know they are not all the same, but if they were the better ones surely they would know that this is disrespectful and aberrant to most Americans as well as any reasonable human being
When are we going to stop being the worlds door mat and stand up for what we belive is right. He is right there is plenty of space in the desert, they can build as big as they want.
This is not a Jewish Muslim thing. This is about America. The USA was attacked on 9/11. They did not attack a Synogue. They attacked THE WORLD TRADE BUILDING, get it ? They killed people of all faiths and beliefs. They wanted to scare Americans. Have we forgotten how frighteng it was. Funerals for months afterwards. Everyone in the surrounding area was touched in some way.Thousands lost family members. Our city has still not recovered and it will always bear the scars. With so much real estate to choose from why so near Ground Zero. Only one reason. Speak out now. Let the politicians know that this is another affront on Americans. Speak out now, while it can make the differance. Doing nothing is no longer an option. NO MOSQUE AT GROUND ZERO……
That was impressive! Why is it that this the first time I’m hearing about this? Why did I have to receive a link via an email to hear about something so important? Why doesn’t the mainstream media carry stories like this? The obvious answers frighten me.
What can we do to stop it?
I have not heard about this before. I have a hard time believing New Yorker will stand for this.
How do we go about stopping something like this?
I am agnostic, but it is abusrd to compare the Christian Right with acts of Islamic terrorism. Please provide evidence that any Christian leader is fostering racial hatred (outside of Obama’s preacher Wright). This only exists in your small, left wing brain.
As for the mosque, it should not be built near the tower site. It is a matter of taste and being appropriate, not freedom of religion.
I just don’t believe that it has taken so long for someone to position what is happening in our World in this way. Our governments seem to want to appease muslims (not Jews, Catholics, Hindus and other religions), regardless of the thoughts of the rest of the Western community… Not only the UK but ALL Western governments. I guess not all muslims are bad enough to want to destroy all non-muslims, but the bottom line is that they will put their religion first when told to do so. Then we could see deaths on a scale never seen before. Then it will be too late – and the radical muslims know that now. Time (and breeding) is on their side. Our soldiers are dying now in the East – all for a cause which is already lost… I despair for the future of our children.
Where was his shrill racist rantings when Timothy McVeigh – A CHRISTIAN – blew up the Alfred P. Murrah federal building in OK City, and they wanted to build a Christian Church nearby?
And why are the people who are SO upset about this continuing to lie and say that a mosque is going to be built when it’s NOT – they’re going to rennovate an already existing building.
Where is the OUTRAGE about this attack on FREEDOM OF RELIGION by hateful racists – ALL OF YOU (and you know who you are)! You’re all pathetic traitors to the ideals of this country.
A religion didn’t fly planes into the Twin Towers. If it did – then a religion (Christianity) invaded Iraq FOR NO VALID REASON – and slaughtered over 100,000 innocent Iraqi women and children. FOR NOTHING. Well, actually for the TRILLIONS of dollars that was spent and stolen by Haliburton and Bechtel and the rest of Bush’s Republiturd Traitors.
You can’t point a finger at Islam without condemning Christianity, too. So go ahead – I’d LOVE to see Christian Churches torn down like some of these posters would love to see mosques torn down.
Thanks Pat. Someone mentioned to me that you were a stand-up comedian too – really? Tell us all a good islamic joke and I’d be convinced. I am reading a good book at the moment that explains much of how Wahhabism came to be in the Afgh/Pak border area, and the issues it has caused since then. I think if people really knew the depth of schisnms within the Islamic world they might be less suspicious of Islam and the perspective the more fundamental elements are trying to portray. I’m sure not many people know that, in addition to the House of Cordoba dit you spin, Mecca was sacked by Islamic fundamentalists in 1803 in a bid to turn the world back to how things were in the day of the Prophet. It’s easy to see how fixated people can become, and how convinced that ‘they’ (smacks of McCarthyism?) are out there to destroy what we know in its current guise. I note you are not American – fine, neither am I – so why the empassioned response to something that is ultimately within New Yorkers’ and US citizens’ scope to influence? The real issue seems to me to be the ability of a community to state what it wants and make it happen. I could not agree more that the very prospect of a 13 storey edifice in thrall of Islam at the site of the worst single-event terrorist atrocity known thus far and claimed in the name of islam is a bad thing. But the beauty of democracy as we know it is its tolerance and ‘strength from within’. Part of your rantings must be that you are internally annoyed that there are a bunch of people out there who are cleverer and perhaps more determined than the populace’s vote on the future of Ground Zero. It would only take a law change or swell of opinion to alter the course of history, and it is so achievable on home soil. Good luck with the campaign, but think about who your target audience really is ….
Hundreds of Muslims died on 9/11. How does having a mosque on one floor of a multi-story building, with other floors containing all types of shops (quite close to, but not on ground zero) make for such a big “political” stink? That is what they are really talking about, not some big Mosque. I can’t see how anyone can reasonably object to it. It takes an ignorant extremist to make a video like the one many of you seem to think is good or brilliant. Anyway, Condell seems to think that all Muslims are the same. Just like in Christianity, there are hundreds of different sects within the Muslim world. Most Muslims in the United States came here to get away from the Islamic extremists and it does no one any good to put them in the same category with the extremist. Almost all religions (especially all monotheistic religions) are opposed to western values (really look at the Christian Bible, the Old Testament, and the Quran). Among these 3 the Quran is the least violent book. Go figure. Anyway that “Brit” Condell video is way off base as far as factual information is concerned and it is a dis-service to say people should see it. It is not truth but it is brilliant as a propaganda piece for people that do not know any better. Just a personal note; I live in South Florida near where the 9/11 pilots trained and they were not religious at all. They attended no services and drank at the local bars and went out with prostitutes. It is the political extremists that want us to believe that they were religious fanatics.
I’m not good at written expressions but here goes, Could someone tell me what is going on with these great United States. Why does it seem like the bad overrules the good. I’ve been thinking about this for a long time and I think that our president and our leaders are blinded and they are stumbling in their blindness–getting things done that real Americans do not want. Now this mosque thing is the highlight of blind stupidity. The only comfort that I as a christian get is that it’s in the big plan of God. Figure it out all you big leaders and be forewarned.
The $100-million Mega-Mosque should not be allowed to be built in New York City, where the Muslim terrorists committed the biggest war-crime against our country. BP has just equaled the level of that crime in a different manner, but it was a major crime and will be exposed as such. But let the Muslims build their Mega-Monster-Mosque someplace that would welcome it. Say..a city named Islamabad! Islam is a religion for cavemen and should stay in the proper neighborhood!
I have a post about this disgusting plan to build a Mosqu near Ground Zero on my blog Dels Voice. Check it out. I hope you enjoy it.
I really enjoyed your speaking out about this awful issue!
It occurs to me that the folks who perpetrated the 9-11 attack must be giddy with the outcome of their actions and of this debate stirred over their memorializing their “First” conquest of our country.
Causing this much furor and seeing us crippled by folks who claim PC motives to protect their own lack of courage, who will not stand up for what is right and take no position of mutual strength is frankly . . . appalling.
I have always respected New Yorkers for their “in your face” strength, but I am sadly watching this debacle and wondering what is really happening to these great Americans and what can I do?
I can say this; it will not be over until we all join in someway to communicate our feelings to those who are behind the curtain, pulling the levers, pushing the buttons and directing this facade of an administration to act as they are now doing, allowing open borders and quashing any backlash against Islamic fascism, by renaming it.
It is unfortunate but bears repeating “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil, is that good men do nothing’
Somehow we must all do something, and real soon!
No nonsense eloquence. No intellectualizing on dogmatic philosophy which postures as salvation, this gentleman is a real MAN who wants to convey the preciousness of the human being in a way Obama and his ilk simply cannot.
I live in ARIZONA and I have asked our legislators repeatedly to pass a bill that says WHERE the money comes from to build these mosques. No one sees the need – yet. Phoenix has NINE – count ‘em – NINE mosques already. And over my dead body will one be built in Yavapai County.
Mr. Condell, please take the Arizona desert off your radar. Those islamo-fascists don’t need to build one ANY where in our country. Saudi Arabia has plenty of desert, thank you very much.
The whole thing just makes you want to hurl.
God Bless Pat Condell. Americans need to wake up. We are good, tolerant people, maybe too tolerant. We need to be more aware of what our neighbor muslins are really up too.
This mosque is an insult!
God Bless Mr Cordell!! Let’s ask him to run for President of the United States. I know foregners are not allowed, but we already have one in the White House. At least Mr Cordell has a manliness about him rather than that smug oristacrat. He has made more sence than any one of our representitives in Washington. No mosques in America any where. The Muslims are not peacefull people. If you believe that, I have a bridge in Brookland for sale at 10 cents a pound.
Signed, Realy aggrivated with the President
The mosque is the ultimate insult to all of America! Especially to those families who lost loved ones at ground zero! It’s simply disgusting. Thank you and God bless you Mr. Condell for your support and sympathy to this horrific scourge that has come to our Nation.
Signed, Disgusted Patriot
What about a Mosque for all the millions of Muslims that are good loving people. Not all people of Islam are Crazy radicals killing people. Educate yourself and understand that Islam does not promote killing anyone.
I would like to see legislation stating that the US does not consider Islam a religion. No more tax breaks or terrorist hiding behind the religion banner.
I can’t believe that the American people are not aware of this happening at ground zero. This must be stopped immediately. Anyone out there with any grit to start the ball rolling on prohibiting this mosque from being built at ground zero?
That would be like us trying to put a McDonalds or Catholic Church outside of Mecca. They wouldn’t allow that crap but 8k people are killed and we allow them to build a shrine to the religion that holds the smoking gun. Absolutely ridiculous.
It’s Official, Mr. Condell is an honorary American, and I am writing your name in on the next presidential ballot…….Hope you win
When I first heard the speech I was inclined to accept ondell’s argument, but then I had second thoughts. Haven’t I seen that structure used before? He employs the same fallacy as almost all who promote prejudice. He takes the bad behavior of a few and concludes that their actions represent the group as a whole. This argument is especially seductive when the bad actors claim or appear to be operating in the name of, or on behalf of, the group.
Such demagoguery has been used to stir up prejudice against almost every ethnic or religious group, for in any statistically significant population one can always find examples to support the standard biases–violent or
lazy Blacks, greedy Jews, gangster Italians, etc. It works even when the bad behavior is not significantly more prevalent in the target group than in the general population.
Should we oppose a Christian church because some fanatics, claiming Scriptural justification, have bombed women’s clinics and murdered doctors that perform abortions, or have brutalized gays ?
I suggest we use our brains rather than our guts. Shame on those who buy into this hate speech.
Pat Condell, you’re a good man but you’ll never make it in politics …. you think too clearly.
I am angry at the number of people who use the word ‘tolerance’ to allow anything! TOLERENCE TAKEN TOO FAR IS MARTORDOM! Some of the people who frequently use this term are the sheep going to slaughter. The other faction in this group are those who are attempting to disarm public opinion and good sense by manipulating us into thinking we are wrong. Not only NO but HELL NO to a mosque at this site. And a high-rise mosque to gloat over their high-rise death and destruction, at that!
Angry also applies to the lack of news coverage. I, too, learned if this event in New York via Email from a friend. Where were the networks??? When they regurgetate every other news event by editorializing and repeating and getting every one’s opinion for days, they obviously are short of news to fill air time. So why was a story this important passed over. More to the point, WHO gave the order or made the decision not to cover it and WHY???? The manipulation and covert actions in this country by our own people is as scary as the Jihad! Did the networks think the west coast would not be interested in this story or were they under orders to suppress? I was happy this a.m. to receive another Email showing the huge rally against the construction. Because of the lack of news coverage, it seemed that New Yorkers weren’t too disturbed about the purposed mosque. I was delighted to see that they, indeed, are very interested and vocal.
I beleive that Muslim religion has to do with 9/11 as much as the catholics with inquisition and the protestants with the doctor’s killers because they perform abortions, or jewish religion with the killings of the population of Palestine.
The mosque in NY city was giving permision for construction before 9/11.
What Obama has to do with it other that the hate that is comming from the words of the presenter? I am sick and tired of the racism in this country.
I’ve enjoyed camping in Death Valley for years. And Arizona has come up with some strict immigration laws. I suggest a good place for a new mosque is ON THE MOON.
I say put the towers back up . bigger & better than ever. if anyone deserves this it’s the more than three thousand folks who lost their lives on 9/ 11. that mosque should not & will not be build if we as free americans stand together. we have been in many struggles over the years some we have won others have taught us a lesson. this is one we can ill afford to back down from or loose. god bless us if we do.
I have another location in mind for the Mosque, and that is simply the SUN. That way that can all burn in hell. Qucikly.
I Totally agreee and there should be an out cry of public opinion to stop this from happening.
When I am home after this current deployment, I would like to see if there is going to be a rally and protest of some kind against this. Words cannot describe the rage or disgust I feel at this atrocity. Not just as an American, but as a veteran who is now serving a second tour because of the attacks on 9/11. Absolutely disgracefull and beyond disrespectful. Obviously a decision made by politicians whom have never in their lives put on any of the uniforms of our Armed Services. And if any of these politicians have friends or family in the military or been directly affected by 9/11, they should be absolutely ashamed at the dishonor they have brought to those people. Truly sickening.
So – if they do build the mosque memorial – I guess the coming American Revolution can fly a plane into it for the supreme memorial to 9/11 and the memorial mosque.
Grow up Islam!
Unfortunately, YouTube is blocked where i live and LiveLeak does not have this video yet, but i generally agree with Mr. Condell’s others essays.
People are right to be upset above a Mosque so close to ground zero, but it’s likely to built nevertheless because it conforms to US law. Regardless of the moral implications, if its legal it should be built, just as many ignorant fools (some commenting here) make ridiculous, but perfectly legal, allegations against Pr. Obama. (OK, he may not be the greatest president, but could anyone be worse than the Bush clan?)
The silver lining to this ugly cloud is that this mosque would be the subject of intense attention and could alert many unaware Americans to the real nature of Islam. When people hear the hate-filled messages being delivered there it is sure to change people’s minds who are now preaching “tolerance” or sitting on the fence.
I realized how dangerous Islam is when the fatwah against Salmon Rushdie was issued. A “moderate” Moslem on NPC, asked how he felt about the fatwah, hemed and hawed until he finally admitted, “Well you see the Koran is very special to us,” though he said he could never murder anyone himself. IOW, “i won’t do it, but i’ll applaud the brave Moslem who murders Rushdie.”
I live in America and I totally agree with all the comments Mr. Condell made.
It will be a HORRIBLE insult to all the innocent people who died on 9/11 and all the men and women of our armed forces, if that mosque is built near ground zero. I cannot imagine a more shameful moment for our country, than to allow that building to be put anywhere near New York City.
I also feel that if you do not like the values and beliefs our country has to offer, then you should go back to the country that you came from, read the Koran all day long and build all the Mosques you would desire to build.
Listen to the video above closely. He said “two blocks FROM ground zero.” He did not say ON ground zero. Just another attempt to foment hatred and further world violence. I can do without you guys!
Wow,the hatered is frightening! We have Pat House above wanting to kill women, children and men in a house of worship because someone, maybe not even those that would be in said Mosque, wanted to build it BLOCKS from the site. When will you people let it end? Hum?
You use this instance to further YOUR agenda of hate or disaffected and sad lives and use your pick and choose bible verse mentality to use as a weapon!
We have CC above telling other Americans to “get out” of the country because they don’t agree with CC(CC,its called Opinion so stop your angry diatribe and grow up please) That is just embarrassing as an American to see other American use that rhetoric and bully tactic.It’s pack attack nonsense and is akin to high school politics of hate and shame.
Stop hating an entire people for the horrendous actions of some fanatics. I guess you’ll go after a few church’s too because some crazy Christians blew up clinics and in doing so MURDERED pregnant women that were there for ultra sounds and test? No, you guys are more focused in your delusional thinking!
Stop the hate speech, the NOT paying attention to what is said and hearing what you NEED to hear (they said a FEW BLOCKS AWAY) and stick your religious false pride out of the way! This hate will ruin this great country.What a shame.
The cat’s out of the bag for the “in your face” Moslems. We know that the radicalized Moslem beliefs supercede the pacifist Moslem beliefs because they came later. The Quran reflects the need to go with the later revisions. It is necessary to know that the radical Quran, the militant Quran, the one that says in so many words, infidels who do not convert to Islam must die and other abominable notions that pertain to women, reigns supreme in the twisted minds of the Islamists, many of whom are dedicated terrorists. Lying to deceive the enemy (infidel) is encouraged and so we hear and read that we must discount notions to the contrary. 9/11 is proof of more than just hatred and treachery, it is the work of a rabid cult. I wish Rudy Guliani were still mayor. Betcha he would kibosh the mosque. It’s a sure bet.
What if the construction unions in New York refused to work on this project and saw to it that no one crossed their picket lines ?
What if New Yorkers took turns picketing in front of the site, 24 – 7 ?
What if New Yorkers took a Ghandi approach and brought the financial institutions to their collective knees by staying home one day a month, in mass. That might change the way politicians view matters.
Or, maybe some good old fashion bribery to the building inspectors could create so many delays from the very start, that scheduling and budgeting would become wishful thinking.
Wouldn’t it be poetic justice if after two years they were still attempting to get their foundational concrete and steel approved!
New York City is and has been a liberal haven but maybe, hopefully, these people will stop long enough to comprehend that which is about to befall them. Many of these people are liberal thinkers but one can only hope they still possess enough linear reasoning to recognize that they are about to be consumed.
From an earlier post:
How many Christians do you know personally or otherwise, who choose to be addressed and known by a Muslim name?
Name some of the past Presidents who made reference to visiting all 57 States.
In his own words, in his dubious autobiographical shrine to himself and his absent biological father, did this President describe the beauty of a religious prayer practice as being part of Christianity or the Muslim faith?
How about his apology tour of the mid east and his desire to create a ” better understanding ” of the Muslim world; accidental, harmless ?
If you are one of those who were force fed the pabulum of diversity at all costs above all other creeds, I can sympathize with your condition but at some time in your life you must stop long enough to question whether such thinking is an absolute truth or simply a means to disarm your survival instincts.
Islam is in direct conflict with Christianity; always has been and always will be and to ignore that REALITY is to subject yourself and those about you to conquest! How can anyone so so obtuse as not to recognize that which all the facts point to and at.
So what if the majority of Muslims wouldn’t personally slit your throat; they would still sit by and watch it happen and then revel in their new position of authority and power.
It wouldn’t take but a small group of terrorist to do massive damage to the citizens of this
” great satan ” nation; do you think the peaceful Muslims would raise money to help build Catholic churches or reach out to any Christians with their personal wealth? Maybe a few but then they would be cast off from the ” faithful “.
Stop the mosque any way possible; 10 blocks away, so be it. But never lose sight of their
stated goals and never allow politicians to silence our well founded concerns.
They may pray to their god until they are blue in the face and their knees can’t take it any longer but the moment that leads to physical harm of non muslims, they must practice their faith elsewhere.
I fully agree with Pat Condell’s bottomline that a Grand Mosque is an unacceptable idea and must be stopped.
My suggestion is, if the intention is to have at Ground Zero a “special place” to pray and promote religious harmony, it should be under the aegis of an organization whose basic tenant is that philosophy. Because of this reason, I do not support the “Mosque” idea however “moderate” that Muslim promoter may be ! The idea really worth a serious consideration will be a Sathya Sai Baba / Shriddhi Sai Baba set up – Go to the Home Page of the link http://www.srisathyasai.org.in/ and see the Guiding Philosophy and note that the Logo has the symbols of all major religions in it – It is not atheist and at the same time it is secular in the true sense. The predominance of Hinduism is perhaps because Hinduism is a religion that has all the attributes of total religious freedom to every individual human being of the world and the core values (preached and practiced) are as given at the top of the Home Page of the link.
Give this a serious thought ! The Head of the Baba Ashrams in USA could put in his efforts and a claim for consideration by the Committee deliberating on the issue – It will be hard to reject it and would be acceptable to all sections of Americans & the right thinking people of the world. It is NOT a “Hindu” solution but a “Universal” one.
Air Marshal (Retd) P.M.Ramachandran Indian Air Force.
well, someone’s got to do it. Those of you who send emails, don’t bother – they will not be read or responded to. I am an atheist and believe Islam AND Christianity are equally false, so this is no defense or support for Islam. I’d like to inject some critical thinking, which is always sorely lacking in matters like these.
Why is it that when some Christian nut case guns down an abortion doctor, or firebombs a black church, or commits some other unspeakable act – Christians are whip-quick to say that person wasn’t representative of the faith. They say not to judge Christianity by by a few barbaric people. (Of course, many of you reading this think killing abortion doctors is just fine, but I’ll let it pass…)
However, when a tiny percentage of a faith that includes billions of followers commits a barbarous act, you immediately blame the entire faith and everyone in it. Do you not see the obvious hypocrisy and double-standard?
Islam, like Christianity, like Judaism – like all large religions – is divided into many factions, a relative few so much in dispute that murderous results happen all the time. However, the overwhelming majority of Muslims mind their own business, disavow violence, have no dreams of violent world conquest, and are not connected to or participate in Jihad. If you have proof that more than a tiny fraction of the billions of Muslims are world-killing Jihadists, please provide the proof. The experts in this area – which do not include the likes of you – agree on this.
The claim that the mosque is intentionally planned as “conquered ground” and designed for the purpose of jamming it into the face of America lacks any proof whatsoever. There has not been one shred of evidence presented that this is the case. What there is, is hysterical people shouting “of course it’s true.” This reminds me of a lynch mob in an old Western movie. The crowd is always right (wrong!). I’m sorry, the “everyone knows it’s true” argument is unworthy of serious people debating serious things.
I don’t give a tinkers damn about one mosque more or less. We should be bigger than taking the bait, if that is what in fact is happening. Are your god and country so small and weak they cannot withstand a building?
What is a much bigger concern is how we debate and decide issues such as this. Discrimination without proof, emotion without reason, blanket charges hurled around, all diminish us. THAT is what makes us look small and weak. Defending the rule of law, not bowing to hateful screeds, is what makes America great. Lynch mobs do not.
It’s easy to mindlessly hate “the Other”. The results can be disastrous. Ask the Jews in 1930′s Germany.
Islam is a curse on humanity. Terror, killings, suffering and pain is their way of life. It’s in their blood from the day they are born. Even the Saudi Arabian national flag has a sword underneath it’s arabic writing- A symbol of death and destruction.
Peace loving muslims????? What a joke.
Thank God for this British gentleman, Pat Condell! He has stated the feelings of most Christian Americans. It is disgusting that the Islam would be allowed to build a Mosque on this sacred ground zero. We can see America, as we have known it, being destroyed from within. If it is the Lord’s will, it will never come to pass. But if it is built, it will not last forever!
I am reading a book entiled “A Devine Revelation of Hell” by M. K. Baxter. I suggest that every Muslim, and our elected officials read it. Time is running out!
May God Bless America, Our Troops, its Citizens, and have our Country return to a “Godly Nation”!
steve brinkman you are an idiot. history is repleat with how islam works. there is a ton of proof about cordoba.
what i just read from your post is nothing but propoganda and lies. you are enabling the muzzies in their conquest of the world. and you just listened to a man who experienced what islam is doing. you want “expert”, listen to those who have been affected by islam and not a bunch of academics who live insulated from the real world.
islam was founded on violence. it was founded by a murderous pedophile. people like steve brinkman are either to stupid to see the truth or they are plants, hoping for islams world domination.
islam was founded after judaism and christianity. this country was founded on juseo/christian beliefs. there was not one muzzie that fought for this countries independence from england. they have no business being here. and their stooges like brinkman should go to saudi arabia and live there for no less than one year and “experience” islam at its finest.
steve brinkman, why is it that christians and jews and hindus and buddists can all live in peaceful coexistance? why is it that the only “religion” that espouses violence is islam? you are blinded by your supposed superior attitude that automatically dismisses religion and those who believe in religion. you are an arrogant elitist who is following the agenda of karl marx and who is to stupid to see you are enabling islam in its conquest of the world. you are part of the problem.
and just for your info, i have lived among the muzzies. so i have “experience” from which to speak unlike you.
Dear Pat condell,
please remove your head from your ass
I think it is only fair that they be able to build this mosque – immediately after there are synagogues and cathedrals built in Mecca, Medina, Jiddah, Ryahd, and Sa’naa.
As you profess to be an atheist, I was curious about your point of view. What I read was childish at best and with your comment “Are your god and country so small and weak they cannot withstand a building?”. That is a stereo typical liberal argument; belittle/embarrass your audience instead of discussing your views. Your argument above sums down to “Is your body so weak that it can not withstand a single cancer cell?”.
Radicalism is a cancer and it loves to feed on PC.
Pat Condell says it well Michael Bloomberg has his head up his ass. (and so does this commenting mental midget Jacob Whiteley).
The reality is that Islam supports Jihad by failing to condemn it, and I for one declare war against all aspects of Islam until its peaceful claims and its proponents choose to vocally and vociferally separate themselves from every concept of Jihad.
There is no place for this level of hate on earth. But as long as it is here, it should be answered aggressively.
PS: Good luck with the 3 stooges in Washington: Squirelly, Harry and BO
Whoa…great speech until he suggested sending the propaganda puppets for the murdering Muslims to Arizona. Neither our governor nor our people will roll over for the murderers or their apologists. And unlike the disarmed victims who populate New York, we’re armed and free.
Ok, so I totally agree that this is a insensitive idea-but I also have to say I am not convinvced at the originators of the demise of the towers. Just think a min before you go all huffety. “If” there were weapons of mass destruction, wouldnt that time have been the best time to use them? after all you dont keep them for Sunday best do you?
Just had to throw that in there.
Before anything will change, or indeed your opinions be heard for that matter the United States needs to behave just as that United,-for at the moment it is not. It is more like 50 plus small countries operating with their own individual laws/rules. This country needs to unite, the goverment needs to tell the truth and the news need to report facts, and facts that occur outside the US coastline-cause yes people there is a big world out there and sadly alot though not all people are ignorant to this.
People generally are to happy to hop on board the “witch hunt” because someone else said so but they have not thought things through themselves and that is a shame. So people you need to research, form your own opinions because through this act you will become united and strong.
Have we became so mundane to believe such hypocracy? Have we lost all fervor in life to feel as though if it is not my religion it is wrong? May I remind anyone who is shaking in their boots that this is America! America! The melting pot of this world. The melting of different people,cultures,religions,ideas. Islam did not bomb the World Trade Center. True Muslims bombed the WTC, but these were radicals. Terrorism is not limited to any one religion. What religion was Timothy McVeigh, David Coresh, the UnaBomber, Hitler?
Building a mosque near ground zero is no more disrespectful than the post office eliminating home delivery one day a week. Seriously people, wake up!
Obama’s war on America? Give me a break! Our president had nothing to do this. Our president is American and Christian just like all of you. Give up the fact that he is black for a moment and recognize that he is the best suited person for the job.
Take a deep breath with me. Now exhale. Do you really feel less secure with Barack Obama as your president that George W. Bush? The only reason you are afraid of this whole mosque thing is because Bush led with fear and developed fear within you. Breathe. Peace is coming.
CANADA LOVES YOU PAT!!!!!!!!!!!
Pat has apparently not been to the Arizona desert or Death Valley National Park. I am a New Yorker (West NY, *U*S*A*) and love the Arizona desert and Death Valley National Park. They are incredibly beautiful. These places are as inappropriate for mosque building as Ground Zero.
I love this guy … he says it like it is. I just cannot imagine WHY New York would even THINK of placing a mosque at Ground Zero.
Although, looking at it from the ‘big picture’, I can see where putting a mosque at that location could be construed as an apology of sorts, or even a blessing of contrition from the so called ‘religion of peace’ movement. There are always two sides to every story, right ?
Alas, I am merely human, .. my vote is for NO MOSQUE.
I am reading a great and disturbing book called “Cruel and Unusual Punishment” by Nonie Darwish, published in ’08 I believe. She grew up in a Muslim household in Egypt and had to leave the country to marry an Egyptian Coptic Christian; she also had become a Christian in the interim.
She describes the intent of Islam as the complete hijacking of the government in every country in which Muslims live, and supports this argument very well. Check out the book if you’re concerned about this – which obviously we all are.
Pat Condell is absolutely right in just about everything he says on this and similar situations – and they should be fought against as was done in the UK.
However, it should always be in the context of the times we live in, which are generally accepted (although not by all) as being the times of the end (of the age, not the world) spoken of by Jesus, Paul, John, Peter Daniel and many othere OT prophets.
Is such evil as Pat speaks of not to be expected. Why should we be surprised? Cannot these things be considered as part of God’s permissive will, as His end time agenda unfolds for the coming of Christ for a second time to this each?
Yes, stand against these things – but remember the context of the times in which we live. One day, when He comes, all this will not matter. As Daniel says, “And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everylasting life, Some to shame and everylasting contempt”. (Daniel 12:2)
Ken Walker, Good News Australia
It’s good to hear someone speak up against Islam. Seems the west does everything possible not to offend any minority. My opinion is that Islam itself is a terrorist cult. After 9/11 how many Islamic leaders in the western countries stood up and condemned those responsible for bringing down the towers. I heard none, did you? Islam has ruined many European countries both financially and morally and are starting the same in the US and Canada. I’m a Canadian and tired of our politicians catering to these people just to get their vote and that’s the only reason. We don’t have one politician taking a stand in this country and doing what’s right. You have to give the Prime Minister of Australia a thumbs up. To build a six story mosque near ground zero is Islam flipping the bird at the US. My daughter in-law teaches school here in Canada and when the towers came down several of her pupils (Muslims) stood up and cheered in class. So don’t tell me it’s only a few radicals in favour of ruining our way of life.
Bravo Mr. Condell and thamk-you from America. I pray we wake up. Cheers and Peace to you
Right on Mr. Condell, unfortunatly we are no longer The United States of America, we have become The United Nations of America. Sooo sad. Why? because our Congreemen and Senator’s are to busy with their greed, they let all of our jobs leave the country and refuse to pay taxes. Their greed along with their no longer caring about their country has turned our country on it’s heel’s,it’s sooo sad. Nothing surprises me anymore,our government won’t even enforce our laws, when it comes to big business being able to hire slave labor. Sooo sad.
Pat is not only dead-on in his assessment of the Muslim world’s distorted way of thinking and acting, but sheds incredible light on America’s “blindness” to being FAR too tolerant in the name of “PC”, rather than safeguarding it’s law abiding decent citizens from the very terroists who are almost certainly funding this unbelievably insulting and degrading example of politicians gone crazy! WAKE UP AMERICA…..before it’s too late! DEMAND this never happen, and DO IT now!!! Contact Obama and make damn sure he knows how YOU feel!
I agree! We are losing everything we have fought for for many years.
What an ass! He is saying the Muslim faith is responsible for the attacks on 911 !?! Gad, how unbelievably absurd, and what a bunch of idiots on this blog. You people who believe this and think this is an accurate commentary deserve to be fighting, killing and dying in a continuous battle with other religions forever – which is probably where you will end up. Muslims probably had as much to do with 911 as Christians, or so-called ones. Wow, how ignorant & uninformed. Why would anyone think the Muslim religion was responsible for 911 ?? From the “official report” from the Bush administration??? Good grief. Yeh, and we invaded Iraq to get those guys too. . . . right.. You guys get all excited – ready to fly into a rage at anyone – just like the idiot mobs in the movies – unbelievable! Get a little informed.
question to the brit, what’s your take on what israel is doing to the palestinians? don’t want to touch that, at least not with honest facts. why, because of the money, you moron, stay out of our mess over here, get some braces for you and your family, talk about your dole system, but don’t try to get into our problems unless you take a look at the other side. here’s a blog that always gets deleted, what’s your take on what’s going on in our, and your country with jewish people? do you ever put any blame on them?
I worked at a country club in south florida where a rabbi was the guest of honor. After dinner they asked all the employees to leave the room when the rabbi was to speak. Trying to finish up my job, I remained in the room behind a divider and was shocked at what I heard the rabbi telling the large audience. He said try as much as possible to only do business with jewish people…he said this will help “us” thrive here in the USA and help with the prosperity of Israel. He repeated how important it was for them to back anything jewish so that they would continue to succeed here and abroad. It made me sick, this religious leader was so selfish, he obviously didn’t care about the USA, just jewish citizens and Israel. And then he said the words that scarred me for life: “Jews Are Superior”! This is what is wrong with our country people, jewish people in general are being told this by their religious leaders and that is how they feel, which leads to Israel/Jewish citizens first, Americans as a whole second, and who really cares about the rest of the world. This is what people mean when they say jewish people have an agenda! Well enough is enough, open your eyes, this is our government, corporations, and media. Research who is mainly in charge? I’m sure many have attended similar meetings to the one I heard by mistake, but don’t ever forget, we are THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, not Israel, dont ever forget!!
This man is extremely stupid. Not only that, his extremeism ranks alongside of those he pilaries. He seems to forget that, as Christians, we are responsible for most of the terorism perpetrated in recent history. To send aeroplanes without warning into a country you are not at war with and kill thousands of innocent civillians is clearly an act of atrocity but in 1986 this is what the US airforce did. Why is it OK for us but wrong when somebody else does it? It is not Islam, neither is it Christianity, it is something endemic within the human psyche and we are the worst offenders. WW1 – Christians, WWII – Christians, the only atomic bombs dropped in anger – Christians, genocide of millions of innocents in Australia, America, India and Africa not to mention the slaughter of 6,000,000 Jews – all carried out by Christians. We arrived in every corner of the world, killed them, gave them our religion and built our churches. Of course these extremist Muslims are scum but they do not represent Islam any more than the Nazis represented Christianity. When it come to crimes against humanity, they’re not in our league.
Once again, as always, our current crop of political leaders BELONG in jail, the term is Treason. VERY SERIOUS. 150-200 sent to the big house, general population big house, would send the message WE THE PEOPLE are no longer going to stand for this BS. Any of it. The obfuscation and manipulation of the “LAW”, the redistribution of wealth schemes, tampered with juries and color of law guilt verdicts, the illegal Federal Reserve and IRS scams are only the tip of the iceberg. These “people” belong in prison. Make me the Governor of Colorado and every current representative would not be able to set foot in the state without an arrest warrant being served. And I would be just warming up.
Scumbag lawyers and judges would be VERY high on the list.
Rant over, feel much better now.
To Yamr1mikeo – I think you’re missing the point. You seem to think that Islam as a religion is resposible for the attacks. It isn’t. Terrorists are responsible. My point is that we are all guilty of the same crimes. Were the Japanese offended when the Americans moved in after the war and built churches over graves in Hiroshima and Nagasaki? People who live in glass houses…..
When I listen to this, two things immediately come to mind. (1) It was Islam that built a mosque at the site of the Jewish temple in Jerusalem after Muhammed defeated Israel. That mosque will be the cause of Armagedon when the Jews destroy it to rebuild their temple. It should surprise no one that Islam has no regard for any consecrated ground. They have no regard for life.
(2) If a mosque is built on the site near ground zero, will it be a surprise to anyone when it is blown up just like the attempts by Isalm to destroy the United Nations building and twice attempting to blow up the World Trade Center, which they successfully did. Make no mistake, if this should come to pass, it will be just a matter of time before this mosque is
“taken down.” And the New York police and fire departments will be the ones called to risk their lives to try to save this cause.
Perfect comments “Steve.” The Muslim religion is no more responsible for 911, (if Moslims were even involved – more than as fall guys), than Christians are responsible for the liberal, socialist, fascist, power grabbing & abusing, nation exploiting, leader assassinating, country invading, civilian slaughtering, economy manipulating, wealth confiscating, scum that are governing this country. Yes, it is the FED, BIS, ECB, World Bank, that are running most of the world, orchestrating the wars and propagating policy to conditioning people to lean on the government(s) for most everything, – allowing them (the Banks through the governments) to take ever greater control — that we must get rid of. Attention to anything else is a waste of time & resources. And yes, it would be fine, a good thing, if the Muslims want to build a Mosque at the Towers site – we accepting this showing our acceptance / love(Christian) to all, and demonstrating the true faith – substance / backbone, etc., – the most important elements of any people – the foundation of this country and reason we have been the main standard for the world. And if we could get most of our troops home (quit wasting so so much in lives, resources, etc.) – quit the exploitation, bullying, invading / occupying, destroying of other countries – so that we can live high on the hog, spending billions on entertainment, etc., maybe people from these other countries, even the extremists, might not be so motivated to attack us; and if we were not wasting our economic and military might so much around the world, we could have so much more strength in our defense – borders, etc., that others would be much less willing to risk a battle with us (militarily, ecomonically or politically).
In the Koran the act of Al-taqiyya or lying to non-Muslims isï»¿ considered to be a good work. So whatever they have to say to convince you their intentions are honorable they will. And they are doing just that in NY. The fundamentalist Muslim will say anything to get close enough to drive a dagger into you heart.
I think someone ought to wait until it is almost completed and then blow it up, while it’s unoccupied, of course. My heart won’t let me wish harm for anyone. But, each time they start rebuilding it near the “Ground Zero” sight, it ought to be blown up, let them come close to completion each time and then blow it up again!!! They will soon get the idea!!!
Where is our democracy, “for the people”???? What people are they for?? only the foreigner’s for all I can tell!!!
And lets not forget the Flight 93 Memorial has Islamic attributes ( A GIANT RED ISLAMIC CRESCENT ) and points to Mecca. And you would think that might be enough.
Yeh, you guys just keep that attitude – blow up everything you can – and see where that takes you. Go to almost any country in the world and the average / common people will treat you as good as they have means, but where our military has been for a few years, there you better be careful. Yeh, just keep blowing up everything you can – and support this lying corrupt government we’ve had for a few decades (gov’t of the bankers) and maybe you can get to be the instigators for a full out world war – gain the blood of a few million people on your hands – and set everything back a few hundred years. Yeh, be real proud to have promoted that kind of attitude.
Here is a little of many descriptions of who you are obeying – an excerpt from (the end) here: http://news.goldseek.com/GoldSeek/1280153340.php
They are liars, frauds and thieves, and they are trying to reduce the American people to the status of serfs so that a collection of rich riff-raff can live off the product of their labor. That, by the way, is the explanation for the “taxpayer” bailout of Wall Street in 2008. The normal method of robbing you by having the Fed counterfeit money was too slow for the establishment crisis of that year. So they just went in and took it.
They want you to become like the medieval serf so that they can steal the product of your labor any time they like. The serf, of course, did not have democracy. His only recourse was to grab his pitchfork and confront his feudal lord by sheer numbers. (Neither was the 2008 Wall Street bailout ever paid back, as you are being told. What happened was that the slower process of having the Fed steal from you via the counterfeiting of money went to work in ’08 and ’09, and the Wall St. firms were able to pay back their “loans” from the Government with the money made for them by the Fed. That is, they stole from you in ’08, disguised as a loan, and then “repaid” the loans in ’09 and ’10 with more money stolen from you. If you buy these lies, you are on your way to becoming a modern serf. Not only will your life be wretched, not only will the paper aristocracy be able to steal from you any time it feels the need but you will have the added disgrace of having given up your liberty when you had received it as a gift (from the Founding Fathers).
The practice Policical Correctness is absolutely the demise and downfall of America. PC is like a cancer killing its host. When will peolpe stand against it? If Americans continue to be PC, then they will be destroyed, which is what Jihad hopes for. Wake Up Americans!!!
The prophecies in the Bible have been, or will be fulfilled – Because these are Biblical prophecies they are fact and will occur.
Psalm 83 and Ezekiel 38-39 are prophecies yet to be fulfilled, and a study of these shows Islam is not a world dominating religion at the time of its destruction.
The Islamic nations adjacent to Israel are prophesied to be destroyed by the Israeli armed forces in Psalm 83. Subsequent to this the Islamic nations in the area, but not adjacent to Israel, will be destroyed by supernatural means in Ezekiel 38-39, along with Gog of Magog (which we believe to be Russia) at the time of her invasion of Israel.
The western nations are seen to be a separate political entity in Ezekiel 39:6 but will become involved in the conflagration of the Magog invasion.
Islam is spreading its terror throughout the world but is not seen as a world dominating power in Biblical prophecy.
We can therefore look to Israel (and hopefully the western nations) saying “enough is enough’ and dealing with Islamic terror in strength and with justifiably destructive force.
I am an american,Ive severed my country,Ihave done my part for society,and i
pay my taxes.I truly do not understand why the american appointed(elected) politicians are being allowed to get away
with the total destruction of the american way.it seems to me that the people of islam in today’s society are very much so
still at war with all religion that is not islam.we are inviting the enemy into our homes and have the audacity to
belive that they are not going to attack us when we are at our
weakest moments.I would like to personally thankyou for taking
the time to see what is really going on in this country.just as europe needed america’s help in WWII,we will without a doubt need the help of europe and is people to win this war that america is inviting into its open arms.thank you very much.please keep fighting the good fight.
This just isn’t right.If any politican has any Balls they will not let this happen
Wow. Bigotry ain’t just for Americans anymore. “the religion that murdered them”. that’s so brilliant.
I know – let’s make a Church of America, and disallow all other religions – that’s what our founding fathers fought the British for!
It was religious extremism that acted on 9/11 – lets not encourage it by throwing our values under the bus as soon as someone wants to build a place of worship. We ought to be stronger than that.
The fact that anyone in this country, (America) can condone the building of this mosque is unforgivable. This is a BLATANT screw-you, to all americans who have lost loved ones on 9/11. I am a fireman who worked “The pile” at ground zero immediately after the disaster, and for days after that. I am so sick of self serving politicians,from washington on down to the local level. These cowards know this is wrong, but the fear of not appearing “Politically Correct” has left them castrated.
To even have this issue as a talking point, is showing how close america as a nation, is to being flushed down the toilet.
I think it is sad if our country allows that religious group (if you even call them a religion) to build a mosque so close to the ground zero area! You can count on my signature to vote against this happening, if you need it let me know. We need to strengthen the moral values and ethics in this country. A few voices can’t do much, but thousands of voices can accomplish so much more. This matter will be in my prayers. God Bless!
You know, us old guys remember things that the youngies seem to have forgotten (or maybe were never told about).
Like, the last time this country was involved in a sneaky cowards attack, our young men demanded we destroy the cowardly enemy. They lined up blocks deep to enlist and go fight for their country. They didn’t wimp around wondering if it woukd be “politically correct” to fight back and destroy the SOB’s. They lined up to do it. And our President got up in front of all of the Congress and asked for a declaration of war. And we didn’t seem to care if there were people in that other country who did not want the war and the sneak attack. After all, they had allowed their country to sneak in and kill many Americans with no warning. It was a slap in the face no self respecting American would tolerate.
I sure hope this isn’t the “change” some people wanted.
Sure, if a religion promoted the killing or hurting of others for any reason other than in their own defence, any decent people would not want to associate with them, if not try to keep them under control – after a good attempt to determine the reasons for, and to change their destructive attitude, but to fly off half cocked on a rampage against a religion just because some radicals who may be considered to be associated with that religion did some nasty things (even tho they may believe they are just defending themselves & others) is really idiotic – even downright evil.
Those faithless, arrogant, bigots who oppose anyone to build a mosque – place of worship, are the ones leading the flushing of America down the toilet. Geesh, I cannot believe the number of uninformed idiots on here blaming the Muslim religion for the attacks of 911 – especially as there is considerable evidence that Bin Laden (not even a true Muslim) was just a figure head – a fall guy.
“Faithless, arrogant, bigoted, uninformed idiot’ seems an image of the one using such vehement language against others who desire only to express a natural disgust for evil.
Such language also shows the user to have no understanding of the fundamentals of Islam, or if he does, is in support of those fundamentals, or so terrified of them he wishes to placate their adherents.
World dominion is a fundamental of Islam and by the sword if necessary. It would seem from the brutality of Islam’s front line troops, to be the preferable means.
Domination has been the fundamental of all despotic rulers be they political or religious. History attests to this fact all too clearly, a fact that Neville Chamberlain found out, along with the error of placating evil, in 1939.
Are the people of New York City such cowards as to allow the mayor to side with those terrorist who killed 2,751 innocent people at the World Trade Center on Sept. 11, 2001.
And to top it all off he and the president are willing to let those terrorist to desecrate that ground by building a 13 story mosque which will be the western Mecca.
This is not religious tolerance but stupidity plain and simple. If you think it will just end there, you are sadly mistaken. Why not wise up not only New Yorkers but Americans and stop this madness right now and take back our country while we can.
Listen to this very wise man, Pat Condell because he is telling it like it is. If you think he is wrong, get an Quran and see for yourself.
it is a shame on how true it is if we dont stop it what will be next i have friends that lost there lives there dont fe its right its like he said about burning are flag on there grave it needs to be stop and only we have the power PEACE AND AMEN
Politicians, for some strange reason think they know what their people want, they bend over backwards to not offend people and yet, thats what they do all of the time.
Why not look after our own people, our own countryman our own faith’s by which our countries were built upon.
Polititicans make decisions based on their limp-wristed opinion (normally they are weak, and answerable to the ‘pen pushers, the ‘do-gooders’ thinking they will earn extra ‘browny points’ for whatever reason).
We need strong leaders to stand their ground and say ‘enough is enough’! Stop political correctness. I am sure there will be plenty of support for this concept. I have seen enough cultural diversity, so much so, I don’t know who I am anymore, my country inheritance, my culture has been diluted so much so, I now fear for my children’s cultural inheritance…. where is it…? How do we jusify the loss to our own identity to our offspring?
Regardless of the agenda of the Muslim religion, they probably had little to do with 911. It’s the banksters – FED, ECB, BIS, World Bank, who are in control – inciting the conflicts, orchestrating the wars – want the masses of the world – the different religions & groups to be hating and fighting each other. And to get upset about the building of a Mosque, is obediently following their agenda. Those on here blaming Muslims for 911 are likely part of, or employed by that group – to provoke more hatred, etc. That is not the Christian way.
Evidence of this is widely available, here is one outstanding documentary – history of money & banking, – how they gain control and rule the governments (clearly now dismantling the constitution – the most brilliant document safeguarding freedoms ever). The economic manipulation, exploitation of people & countries, then invasions, wars, etc., are outgrowths of this power hungry (godless, faithless) entity:
Click, or paste in browser address line (long, but fascinating & critical / essential education):
The best any individual can do is to love his neighbor – the only way to defeat evil. All violence / military should be used only in defense, when attacked – NOT for invading, like the banksters have the U.S. doing now.
This is just one more thing to show how politically correct this country has become. I am surprised by the failure from politicians to speak out on what should be regarded as a big f@ck you to the memory of all those innocent Americans that were killed that day.
If you believe the official story of 911, you’d be pretty pissed off about this mosque. However, this is just a distraction for the masses.
By far the best articulated support to deny this atrocity. What happened to ‘NEVER FORGET” WHERE HAVE ALL THE FLAGS GONE” Wake up people, read all the facts. If they cannot beat us by terrorist acts, they will do it by occupation.
As Pat said do you think this was just a coincidence in selecting this site near our World Trade Center. NOTE “WORLD” not NY. We represent all of the globe. The next thing they will want is loudspeakers on the roofs of all of their hideouts, so we can all hear the call to prayer 5 times a day. That will sound great in lower Manhattan.
They cannot build this disgrace if people stand up. Steelworkers, masonary workers, electricians, plumbers, ALL union workers. We must continue to fight this effort to ram Jihad down our throat. IN UNITY there is strength.
The spineledd politicians, are afraid to stand up, so they stand behind religious equality and political correctness. Remember this the in November when you vote.
Pray for our troops in the middle east, fighting this cause. God Bless and protect America
Pat expresses it well!!
I was horrified when I heard the news of a mosque being built on Ground Zero and I live on the West Coast.
I wish America would wake up. It is a slap in the face to all who died and survived the 9/11 atrocity. It is also a slap in the face to all who are true Americans!!
Thank you Pat for expressing what millions are thinking.
Well I guess the idea of placing a Mosque at Ground Zero in New York to honour the people killed in the horrific attack on 9/11 would be like having a giant swastika placed in the center of the capital of Israel! I seems to be the same politically correct obtuse logic. I mean would not the victims of the death camps, especially the Jewish people murdered there, be as honoured? For God sake…..WAKE UP!!!!
Perhaps it would be a great idea to also place towering 100 foot statues of both Emperor Hirohito and Admiral Yamamoto on either side of the USS Arizona Monument in Pearl Harbour Hawaii to honour those killed there! What are these fools in New York thinking, and just why are the people of New York allowing such madness to pollute the Big Apple!
Mosque At Ground Zero, July 14, 2010
Most were aware of the controversy that occurred in New York City over whether a mosque and Muslim community center should be allowed to be built at Ground Zero. My answer is as follows:
From their actions, it would appear that Muslims lack any feelings of remorse for their abominable maneuver, or they are throwing this Mosque in our face as a symbol of (we fucked you once, we fuck you again) contempt. For this manipulation, as a freedom loving American, I say, they should pick up their theistic book and quickly, quietly and with reverence for American hospitality, go back to where they came from.
Bill Maher has the correct idea on handling this situation since our “leaders” have already done enough harm to OUR country !
Just let the American people vote on this… we are a democracy, are’nt we ? Get our servicemen & women home to protect their own country & let them also have a choice in this matter .
Obama should just move to his Muslim country & leave ours alone. He is a TRAITOR & should be dealt with as such! People of the UNITED STATES,PLEASE,UNITE & take back our country before it’s too late. Let’s clean up this mess by getting rid of (by impeachment) All the political morons we have let lead this country on a road to ruin.
I would like people to read the Left Behind book series & compare it to whats now happening.
A fitting URL to access this site would be GodBlessAmerica.com…….
First they fouled up our water, and now another Brit is stinking up our air.
Thumbs up for Pat….Goes to show that our government cares nothing for the american people. They are out to help everyone else, with our hard earned money and frankly I am about sick of it all. I am seriously thinking about moving out of this country and into maybe Canada. At least they help their own first. If Pat ran for president tomorrow I wouldn’t hesitate to vote for him, provided I still live here. I knew noone personally killed on 9/11 and for that I am greatful, but my heart goes to all those devastated families. Its sad to say, but this is only the beginning and our government is going from bad to worse. I have always been a proud american but am quickly becomming a disillussioned one. It’s a sad state when you can not trust your government.
It only shows his complete ignorance of the facts, the real religion, and that there are good teachings and bad ones, same as in every other religion. Instead, he has chosen to lump them together without first finding out the truth before he opens his mouth. “Put your car in gear before you step on the gas,” Another example of what I really find disgusting –JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS. —REMEMBER THAT THOSE THAT DO ARE 99.9% WRONG ALWAYS. To start with he should look at the film “The Message” starring Anthony Quinn. It has been confirmed by both major sects as being accurate. Next he should read both of the Try The Truth books all the way through–without jumping to conclusions in the middle.
Then he can ask me why they chose to build the mosque in that spot. If he thinks that his religion, whatever it is, is so perfect and so great, then he sould not be afraid.
If he wants to know what is my religion, he should read the two books, TRY THE TRUTH. He will learn more about his own religion, whether inherited or chosen, than he ever knew and what he learns will make him respect it more. He will learn about many other religions a well and how they all teach the same. Human corruption of the religions is what causes wars, etc.
Well said Pat, the religion has become a cult which has gone beyond its limits.
It seems the basic fulcrum is OIL. which the Americans are on…………..
This man should be given an award for coming out with the most hateful incitement to religious freedom the United States, no, the WORLD has seen for many a year! I am surprised he is not wearing his KKK outfit. What a horrible racist, full of hate and inciting others with his soft voice to try and make them believe he is a sane normal person. He is just a hateful horrible person spreading all the worst of the evil things that man is or can be. It is a pity that he and a few thousand more like him were not those who died on 11th September instead of those innocents he pretends to support. It was NOT Islam nor Moslems who destroyed the WTC, it was people as evil as this man is with his ranting, crying out to all those too ignorant or stupid to understand any of what really happened. I would like to hear a few Americans ask why the WTC happened – and when you find the answer and truly understand that these radicals hate the USA, not because of its freedoms or any of that sort of rhetoric, only then will you begin to understand. You might even find they have great cause! This man may be one of the best at inciting hatred, but I will not be taken in by him. The building certainly is not appropriate but even less is this vile video.
What a truly sick, bigoted man Pat Condell is.
Wars of ideology—Very Lethal
Since we are democracy, this requires a popular vote/national referendum to send the proper message to the Muslim world. Please don’t leave it to the politicians!
What’s wrong with you Americans? Why not just drink the kool aide now.
Pat Condell has a fantastic site and he tells it how it is.
Every politician should be tied to a chair and be made to listen to him, because he is only saying what we all believe, he is speaking for the people.
I’m 100% behind Pat Condell on this and he does articulate it very well. I’m against all dictatorships, whether political, religious, social, or philosophical. Liberal Democracy is the only way.
Pat Condell has seen what is happening in Europe and realizes the consequences better than the dopey American politicians do. When I vote for a politician in America I vote for the “lesser of 2 evils”. That is because most are either a bunch of losers or recycled has-bins. The result of these choices is the reason for what is happening in this country now.
I am fully under the belief that the majority of Muslims in this country..right now..are either extremeists or supporters of extremeists. There is no logical explanation on their behalf why this mosque has to be built where they want to build it, other than for extremeist reasons. Muslims are more sensitive to derogatory actions/statements in their opinion, against their religion than any other religion. Why build this supposed mosque where it will hurt and offend so many Americans ?
The answer is easy to figure, yet so many refuse to see it.
Until this country has intelligent, trustworty individuals with a degree of common sense running for office,we appear to be heading in a morally wrong and dangerous direction.
Like Switzerland and some other countries do not grant citizenship to Moslems. Islam is not a religion but a disguise and excuse for terrorism.
Once internally the fundamentalists are controlled then maybe.
Amazing that Pat can figure it out and America just does not get it. Seriously does any politician give a hoot about this country or is it all about their personal gain! I am proud to be an american however not proud that we have politicans that are afraid to stand up and make the tough decisions……..they aren’t afraid to collect a paycheck and bonuses I might add. Let the people vote regarding the mosque and every american I know will say “are you kidding” go back to where you came from.
I was there on 9/11, 9 blocks north of the towers but left and hour before the first plane hit. We were under Marshall Law in NYC due to possible bio-terrorism agents onboard those planes, and nobody could leave the city for 24 hrs until they were sure there wasn’t…it was terrifying…and I didn’t have to run in to save anyone. I can only try to imagine what those officers and firemen went through. And NO, I HAVE NOT FORGOTTEN.
Where are the protests in NY city? WHERE are all those Americans I saw flying our flag with pride and solidarity from coast to coast, in contempt for the Muslim attack, for weeks after this tragedy?
WHO will build this mosque? Americans? Shame on ANYONE or any CONTRACTOR who participates. Shame all over them!!
There should be a human barricade thousands and thousands deep in the streets blocking the first shovel of dirt they try to move. There would be no mosque if that happened.
A question for America: How and by what means can America’s present free fall into idiocy be reversed if arguing with an idiot is the height of stupidity?
If the politicians and religious leaders of the world community could put aside their fervor for displaying presumed intelligence and economic arrogance perhaps the deep subconscious pains that motivate hubris can be brought to light and healed. We need reject tribal idenities and become actualized human beings.
If your religious thinking makes you feel superior to anyone, you are an idiot. If you think the world is safe from someone wanting to rule the entire world you are stupid.
Invest in beans and bullets…
There are a few Americans left who will defend the freedom and honor of this country. What is driving this “New Class” of progressive rhetoric is a false understanding that people cannot manage their own lives and that someone else,(“them” the more informed and elite), need to help these citizens …(I mean sheep) make right choices. It is coming clear that no one else is going to save the country but patriots. The lines in the sand are being drawn.
We are, without a doubt, our own worst enemy, and the Islamofascists are playing us to the ‘T’. I recently received a letter from the mayor of NY on this matter telling me how good the mosque was for NY citizens; ‘a symbol of the tolerance that America was founded upon’. It made me sick.
Why stop at Islam? All three of the world’s “great religions” have instructions to “kill infidels” in their “Holy Books”, although most of their adherents are prone to cherry pick what they decide to embrace and what they choose to ignore. How many Jews or Christians, for example, really think that Leviticus is anything more than the “loony text” that Gore Vidal labeled it?
Hear Hear!! Could not agree more
Would like to know what I can do. Is there a petition to sign in protest of the mosque? Incredibly, I did not know before now, about the firm plans to build. Would like to protest this somehow.
sorry Pat, I am not jumping in on the bandwagon of intolerance and hatred.
Of the 3000 Americans killed in the Towers and the planes, how many were Islam? Jewish? Hindu?
The act was committed against Americans by a group of fanatics who had hijacked a peaceful religion.
Would you ban a church in Oklahoma City site bombing because it was done by a Christian
Would shrill as loud if the terrorists were of the Jewish faith to ban a synagogue?
Anyhow it is a moot issue as the building has been approved and the public had the opportunity to voice their displeasure at the public hearing.
By the way , did you attend that meeting and voice your displeasure?
Sorry but I dont agree with all of Pat’s comments.
I am not jmping on the bandwagon of hate and intolerance
Can Pat answer how many Moslems were killed in the Towers? the Pentagon?
The terrorists killed Americans. not just Christians.
Would Pat advocate against a synagogue if the terrorists had been Jewish?
This rabid and extreme intolerance of blaming a faith that has been hijacked by terrorists and extremists is just as bad as people who are ignorant of the Islamic faith….and the Christian faith and the Jewish faith…and most religions.
Nothing shines better than the light of tolerance to the world..showing we will not be cowed by these extremists and we do not blame Islam but the terrorists.
Funny no one is encouraging breaking diplomatic relations with Saudi Arabia since 15/19 of the hijackers were Saudi.
Comment # 420 here Why do they need to pry over where their religion killed so many people?
If these scum bags really want to make a tribute to the people killed during 9-11 then they should walk away and not push the issue If they insist on building the mosk then just let Jihad Joe build it they after they fill it up …Blow it sky high with all them dirty bastard in it So we Americans can hoot and holler and cheer as these people burn and gasp for breath and only get hot ash in their lungs Screw these people and what they want. One thing you are wrong about it wont be there for ever.
P.S. dont call my country spineless again pal!!!
Mr Condell, unlike those who oppose his point of view, has the very real benefit of hindsight. He has seen what PC has done in the UK and all over Europe. He also knows a thing or two about the “religion” of Islam. He can see that where we are headed is where the UK is at right now. We best heed this warning or ignore it at our peril.
Islam is an ideology disguised under the hijab (veil) of being a religion. Ironic that the most intolerant of all political systems (Islam) cries out for tolerance.
The decades of our diet in political correctness has made us fat and stupid and has completely dulled our senses and our intellect.
Thank you Mr. Condell
We are bigger than this. Our morals, our intellectual vitality, our constitution, our belief in justice, our military might… in all ways we are bigger than the hatred that has spawned the hatred espoused by Mr. Condell. If we seccumb to the hatered, we lose, they win, simple as that. Mr. Condell, as reasoned as he sounds and as grounded as he presents himself to be is an inadvertent tool of the enemy. He doesn’t know this because he is confused as to who the enemy is. He thinks the enemy is Islam. It isn’t, the enemy is hate filled extremists of all stripe. When they attacked the WTC on 9/11, their greatest triumph wasn’t knocking those buildings down, it was planting the seeds of hatred in the likes of Mr. Condell.
Well said Pat, and thank you. But I also have to say that for those of you who are opposed to Isalm but subscribe to some other form of organized religion please do not forget your religions violent past! If the world were free from all of these fairy tales it would be a much better place. People can love others for the sake of love, you do not need to believe in some “GOD” that forces you to be good because if you are not you will go to the “bad place”. Kind of sounds like when mommy and daddy put you in a time out for drawing on the wall. Wake up people, there is no “GOD”, no matter what name you call it by. “GOD” was created by man in order to control the population so the wealthy could keep control over the common folk. Once you get that thru your small mind you will finally be free!
Two simple solutions:
1. Instead of a mosque, build a multi-cultural, multi-religious center for “everyone to use” of all faiths and religions.
2. Rebuild the Twin Towers right back up to their original heights…..plus 1 more foot higher.
This “Victory Mosque” is a pure joke and a slap in the face of America which is intended to show us, a Christian nation that Islam is a superiour religion.
Three things that NOT enough people know about Islam. Americans better wake up before it is “to late” and the laws are changed to benefit Islam and to suppress other religions in America as they are now being suppressed in Europe and the world as we speak!
Three things that NOT enough people know about Islam: http://www.bookwormroom.com/2010/07/20/three-thin…
I agree with everything Pat has said about the Muslims and the plan to build this mosque.. My only disagreement is that “We do not want the mosque in Arizona”. We already have enough problems with the illegal aliens, some of which are Muslims!!! People should remember that it is not just Mexican citizens that are breaching our borders, it criminals and terrorist from around the world. So… Tell the president (what a joke) to build the fence and tell NY to stop the mosque…
The idea seems good to build a mosque and take the forward Muslims along and change the hardliners with that . But Islam as religion is too rigid and I am afraid it will be taken as appeasement, – Osama will become a hero.
We have tried that in India for 60yrs esp. in Kashmir. It has not worked.
In 1947, when India was partitioned, the Hindu population in Pakistan was 24%. Today it is not even 1%. In 1947, the Hindu population in East Pakistan (now Bangladesh) was 30%… now it is 7%. What happened to the missing Hindus? Do Hindus have human rights?
Only solution lies in India’s spirituality, and man must decide to change.
At the moment it does seem an up-hill task. Besides there is no royal road to spirituality and change of fundamental nature of man !
The idea seems good to to build a mosque to take the forward Muslims along and change the hardliners with that . But Islam as religion is too rigid and I am afraid it will be taken as appeasement – Osama will become a hero.
We have tried that in India for 60yrs. it has not worked esp. in Kashmir.
In 1947, when India was partitioned, the Hindu population was in Pakistan was 24%. Today it is not even 1%. In 1947, the Hindu population in East Pakistan (now Bangladesh) was 30%… now it is 7%. What happened to the missing Hindus? Do Hindus have human rights?
According to Sri Aurobindo we have to talk with the Muslims but reasonably and in a tough way. He had said, if we give in, we will have to keep on giving in.
The true solution lies in India’s spirituality, and man must decide to change.
At the moment it does seem an up-hill task. Besides there is no royal road to spirituality and change of fundamental nature of man !
According to Sri Aurobindo we have to talk with the Muslims but reasonably and in a tough way. he had said, if we give in, we will have to keep on giving in.
Since the beginning of the existence of the United States we have been fighting Islam. Here is an instance of one of our first encounters with Islam:
In March 1785, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams went to negotiate with Tripoli’s envoy to London, Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman (or Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja). Upon inquiring “concerning the ground of the pretensions to make war upon nations who had done them no injury”, the ambassador replied:
“It was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every muslim who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise. He said, also, that the man who was the first to board a vessel had one slave over and above his share, and that when they sprang to the deck of an enemy’s ship, every sailor held a dagger in each hand and a third in his mouth; which usually struck such terror into the foe that they cried out for quarter at once.”
I would recommend that everyone read their Koran and you will see that it is hateful. If any Muslum tells you that their “religion” is peaceful, then they have not read their own Koran! As you can see, the United States is till fighting them.
HAS AMERICA LOST IT’S MIND!!!!
This is a disgrace that such a thing even be considered. As far as I am concerned they should build their mosque at the top of the volcano in Iceland.
Tell them to build the mosque at the top of the volcano in Iceland instead of ground zero.
Please don’t suggest to build their Muslim here in AZ. I was born and raised in N.Y. and now live in AZ. They killed my family I hate them. I would not even welcome them in our landfill.
The truth will set us free…..
Pat is right in saying Muslims like building mosques on so-called captured territory. Look at the Al-Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem. This was built on top of Judaism’s most holy site, the Temple, leaving only the Western Wall remaining. Every effort must be made to stop the Ground Zero mosque from being built. It’s a big step on Islam’s road to world domination.
Omg Dont you all know whats going to happen if this goes ahead,,,, Mark my words,, There are Americans that already belong to Patriotic groups that will band together to form protest groups,,
No true American would want to work on the building of this I am sure,, so guess what it will be built by muslim workers, there will be intimidation, then that will escalate into violence and that will only be the start of something worse to come, such as beatings, killings and bombing of the building.
Stop this now
If we are going to allow foreign born individuals to run for president of the USA, forget about Arnold….this guy should run in 2012 for PRESIDENT.
“Adding insult to injury” comes to mind.
The mayor of NYC, Michael Bloomberg whole heartedly supports the mosque being built a couple blocks away from “Ground Zero”. I find it amazing that the people of NYC voted for this pathetic idiot and more amazing if they don’t rise up against his submission to Islamic radicals.
Can it be that the people of NYC are so interested in political favors and spending allocations for their communities that they’ve become afraid to waive their American Flags as they so proudly did in the wake of the 9/11 Islamic Terrorist attack on the landmark Trade Towers ? Can we see those proud Americans rise up once again and stop this spineless politically correct BULL SHIT by NYC’s leadership ?
It’s an absolute shame that our country is run by a bunch of ass backward,liberal,kiss ass screw ups. This man has hit the nail on the head. What the hell are politicians thinking, to put an abomination like a mosque at ground zero! What is wrong with this country?!? What an uproar it will bring should this come to be. I can’t imagine any american, true american, that is, to be o.k. with this. Our country must be being laughed at from every corner of the world. Shame on us.
come on this just cant be true we-americans can not let this just happen please tell me we are much smarter than this do some of us need to bye a tractor to pull are head out of are butts, Think!Think!Think! tom
I want no part of this, and I do not want one penny coming out of my pocket for this! This is so upsetting, and how are our 911 victims suppose to rest in peace? They are rolling in their graves begging for our help! Is there a petition I can sign? Someone please inform me if there is! Thank you, and God bless America!
I just want to thank God for the courage he has given to Pat Condell to be as bold as to publicly warn Americans and the world at large as to the repercussions that we will face if we cotinue to allow this evil to corrupt and ultimately destroy our counties. They would be just as well to spit in the face of every American, Canadian and every human-being who believes in liberty, human rights, and love for his fellow man. Unfortuneately he’s up against bought out polititians who have no worthwhile substance, nor intestinal fortitude (spelled guts).
I am a Canadian, an Ally of my brothers and sisters of UNited States of America. I still believe that ,”In God we trust.” not Muhammed or Alah. And I also believe that these people with their hateful and ungodly ways will be one day judged and brought to justice for all they have done and continue to do.
I am with you Mr/ Condell. I admire you’re courage and your zeal.
I would vote for you as President of your great nation, especially to get rid of the obvius Muslim who is in power now.
Nancy LIt, PLease watch this video,
The mosque is a tribute to those who hijacked and flew the plane into the twin towers and a blemish on those innocents who were murdered by Islamic terrorists!
Pat Condell should move to the U.S and run for President. This country is doomed if our government is allowed to continue as it is.
The liberals have to go !!!
A Eye for Eye. That is what built this country.
If they are allowed to build it and the TRUE AMERICAN PEOPLE get feedup, it will fall !!!!
The Government will never defeat US, The True Americans.
Quote: The right to ” Bear Arms ” means just what it says !
I for one TOTALLY AGREE with Pat Cordell,, we have far too
many of them in this country.. they SHOULD STAY IN THEIR
OWN COUNTRY.. MY COUNTRY IS AUSTRALIA…as for their dress
they SHOULD dress like we do.. NOT with those long coats and face coverings ..
First of all, let me say that I am not a racist; I live in a neighborhood with a wide variety of people. My neighbors are Black, White, Hispanic, Asian and Muslim. For the most part we all wave and nod our heads at each other when out walking or mowing our lawns. With one exception; I have tried to be friendly with some of the Muslim women; I have waved and said hello many times, they won’t even look at me, they pretend I do not exist. I do not dress in a provocative manner (unless long bulky t-shirts and jeans are considered provocative). I am being tolerant; trying to reach out, I don’t understand why they behave this way. To me it is very rude; and it makes me suspicious of their motives for coming to this country. Why do they move here if they hate us so much? If we are so vile and disgusting to them, why do they want to be near us? I wonder if what I’m reading here isn’t truely what is happening to our country; are they coming here to try to take over? How could anyone be so insensitive to the relatives of victims of September 11th, 2001 by building a Mosque there? It is in the height of bad taste, insulting and disguting to think that they are so insensitive to our feelings; we are supposed to be sensitive to theirs.
JosÃ© Maria Aznar, Former Prime Minister of Spain:
“If Israel goes down, we all go down”.
JosÃ© Maria Aznar, Former Prime Minister of Spain quote:
How about advocating for something, instead of against something. The reason this Mosque is an affront to every thinking American is that it is an expression of supplanting every other religion in the world. We ought to be advocating for a structure that really demonstrates our religious diversity and tolerance. The structure ought to include several Christian denominations, at least one but perhaps several Jewish denominations, several Hindu and Budhist demoninations, and several Islamic ones. This Mosque is not an expression of religious tolerance, it is an expression of dominance, which is why it must not be built. This Imam is not about allowing other religions to peacefully coexist, and this building is not about observing the rights of other religions. Unless this Imam permits a Jewish Temple to coexist under the same roof as his Mosque, his complaints of unfair constraints to Moslems is an empty complaint.
Condell’s video is riddled with generalizations and inaccuracies. Wish I’d found his video even a little convincing and not just another example of uninformed fear mongering, but unfortunately, that’s just what I found.
A much more detailed response here: http://www.tweetc.com/8sIM
Americans should not be insulted with the likes of this Muslim building. We need to let our political representative know how strongly we oppose it. Without our input they will let themselves be influenced by those who fill their pockets, even if they are responsible for the 9/11 astrocity. Get Involved and STOP this insult.
I hope they never allow a mosque to be built anywhere near ground zero! It would only be ‘adding insult to injury’ and raking up the pain felt by those who lost friends or members of their family in that horrible devastation, every time they see it. And we most certainly do not need a slap in the face!
yo obama , you for this or against this , no comment??? so u mus be for it , GOD HELP AMERICA
I agree and furthermore, anyone who is insulted by our culture and Christian religion must have some ulterior motive to justify subjecting themselves to this affront. Why do western countries grant them entry, let alone the privilege of citizenship. I was brought up to understand that abuse of a privilege resulted in it being revoked. It seems a simple issue to me, those that pose a threat should be deported. This is like a war by stealth and in slow motion, but a war none the less. All fanatics are dangerous no matter what their beliefs but it seems western governments don’t want to apply the label.
Just Say No to Cordoba house mosque location.
Please listen to this song.
Right on the money as usual. Only did you forget that Islam did the same exact claiming of the spot at the Mount in Jerusaleum? Now you can’t get near the place if you’re a Jew, and the mayhem that would ensue if someone were to want to tear that down?
No, the best thing by far is to DENY this monstrosity from becoming another claming beacon for Islam in This country.
Think people! Think!
enough is enough. When will this country get a bit of backbone. PC is a crock at this point. Will we let history repeat itself, or will we finally say, these people are not our friends, let us not show them friendship. It i hard to tell who the enemy is, so watch, listen and make sure you are not fooled. If this structure goes up it is time for us all to leave this country and go to the middle east and bring our decadent Eastern ways with us.
Freedom of Religion, Freedom of expression. These are two of the most important doctrines of the United States.
What many don’t realize is that many of those murdered on 9/11 WERE Muslims. They died right along side Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Deists and Atheists.
Muslims have lived and worked in the U.S. since the times of our founding fathers. Thomas Jefferson had a copy of the Koran in his library and sang the praises of the major teachings of Mohammad.
Remember, we are at war with religious extremists, not Islam. If we use extremism to determine where and when a building should or should not be built then we should also deny churches being built because of the actions of the KKK, Inquisition or Crusades…. or Timothy McVeigh. All of their actions were in the name of Jesus.
I say let them have there community center and fill it with Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Deists and Atheists.
BTW it will be many blocks from ground zero, not yards.
My feeling is Change is not always good, esp. in this case Mr. Obama, or whoever you are, anyway I no this has nothing to do with Ground Zero building a Mosque, but had to get that out…Please have some respect for our loved ones who passed on that horrible day, NO MOSQUE…
Europe died in Auschwitz.
We killed six million Jews and replaced them with 20 million Muslims.
In Auschwitz we burned a culture, thought, creativity, and talent. The contribution of this people is felt in all areas of life: science, art, international trade, and the conscience of the world.
And under the pretense of tolerance, and because we wanted to prove to ourselves that we were cured of the disease of racism, we opened our gates to 20 million Muslims, who brought us stupidity and ignorance, religious extremism and lack of tolerance, crime and poverty, due to an unwillingness to work and support their families with pride.
They have blown up our trains and turned our beautiful cities into the third world, drowning in filth and crime.
Barricaded in the apartments they receive free from the government, they plan the murder and destruction of their naive hosts.
And thus, in our misery, we have exchanged culture for fanatical hatred, creative skill for destructive skill, intelligence for backwardness and superstition.
We have exchanged the Jews of Europe and their talent for hoping for a better future, their determined clinging to life, for those consumed by the desire for death for themselves and others, for our children and theirs.
What a terrible mistake was made Europe!
America don’t make our mistake.
If the KKK was planning to build a meeting place next to a holocaust museum I think that most rational people would agree that it was objectionable and a stop should be put to it.
Why should we allow an evil organization that makes women wear burkas or cover their heads at the threat of having their body parts removed or even worse, stoned to death for dating a Christian or a Jew build a meeting place that enhances their ability to promote hate on sacred ground? These murders have always desecrated the sacred ground of the people they have conquered by knocking down their religious or important sites and put up their own buildings in their place. Look where they built the dome of the rock … right over the Jewish temple that stood in its place. If we give in to these Islamic monsters they will continue with their horrific deeds.
Lets put a stop to these people who call their organization a religion but are truly no better than the KKK.
Well said, but his comment about Fox was way off base. If any news agency takes direction from the Saudis, I would suspect it’s ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, etc. who seldom say anything negative about or just don’t cover topics involving Islam.
I do not want a mosque on ground zero. The politicians aren’t afraid to speak out, they are profiting by this. Getting rich at our expense.
I am with you Pat. I love this country as it is. I want foreign interests to stop trying to change our ideology.
There are many religions in the world, but only one way to heaven. JESUS CHRIST! HE would never force HIS views on those that don’t want them. I feel pity for those duped by Islam. I will never turn on Israel or condone anyone’s actions that does.
Brave man and about time someone English commented on this issue. We Indians who are not Muslims know full well there is an agenda afoot to Islamise Europe and USA. It is about time the English and non-muslim Americans woke up to this fact. Stand up and be counted and save these countries. I am all for tolerance to all faiths but not for the wholesale take-over by Islam which expresses little or now tolerance where Sharia law is the norm.
His words were chosen well.
Mr Condell is 1000% right!!
The City of New York should not allow this mosque to be built anywhere in New York City. Have they lost their minds?
Pat Condell says it all – BUT, I absolutely guarantee that Arizona doesn’t want their mosque either!
This really is brilliant and so revealing.
911 was America’s introduction to Islam. Is it any wonder so many Americans still feel they cannot trust Muslims?
What high level Muslim figure has yet to step up and clearly denounce what happened on 9/11, regardless of what sector of their religion was responsible? Their silence suggests support for those and all terrorist actions initiated by radical Islamists. After only ten years, is America REALLY expected to forgive and then trust the intentions of ALL Muslims and abandon our justifiable need to hear their outrage and perhaps even an expression of repentance voiced by someone holding a high office in their religious community? For good reason, we are tired of hearing ‘you can’t blame the good Muslims for what happened’, but similarly, you cannot point to all Christians when condemning the actions of a much smaller group of religious fanatics among them (but the liberal media does this on a very regular basis).
Building a mosque at ground zero can only be compared to putting a 100-ft. statue honoring Hirohito on the shores of Pearl Harbor. One might say it is not the same because the mosque is not a tribute to the leader of Islam because there is no one living leader of Islam. But Islam itself is what leads Muslims and the mosque is a symbol of that. American Muslims show their allegiance to Islam, which has no homeland or country to shame.
So then, what is so surprising about America’s reaction to the mosque?
Two swift suggestions…
In the interests of freedom of expression:
On PUBLIC land, within centimeters of the land held by the mosque, erect a VERY large billboard, on which people can express – protected by the laws of free speech of course – their legitimate views about, oh let me see – maybe ISLAM!
And, and, and – we can have weekly pavement art competitions as well. Subject up to the artist. Gosh – maybe even pictures of Mohammed!
Protected by the laws of free speech of course…
Who knows – maybe some naughty graffiti artists will do their worst, in the middle of the night, and spray slogans like “Mohammed loves camels” or some such, on the walls of your bright shiny new mosque.
Now, of course, they must be punished for the spray painting. BUT, for the “upsetting peoples’ sensibilities” bit? Not sure about that! “Freedom of speech”, after all!
So – to you clowns who want to build this thing – RIGHT THERE, for crying out loud! The ONLY reason you are doing this is to piss people off. Remember that other people have THEIR right to “express themselves”, and you’ll find that your insistence on exercising YOUR rights will only lead to conflict.
You stupid, stupid people.
On PUBLIC land, within centimeters of the land held by the mosque,
erect a VERY large billboard, on which people can express – protected
by the laws of free speech of course – their legitimate views about,
oh let me see – maybe ISLAM!
And, and, and – we can have weekly sidewalk art competitions as well.
Subject up to the artist. Gosh – maybe even pictures of Mohammed! That
people can WALK ON!
Who knows – maybe some naughty graffiti artists will do their worst,
in the middle of the night, and spray slogans like “Mohammed loves
camels” or some such, on the walls of your bright shiny new mosque.
Now, of course, they must be punished for the spray painting. BUT, for
the “upsetting peoples’ sensibilities” bit? Not sure about that!
“Freedom of speech”, after all!
So – to you clowns who want to build this thing – RIGHT THERE, for
crying out loud! The ONLY reason you are doing this is to piss people
off. Remember that other people have THEIR right to “express
themselves”, and you’ll find that your insistence on exercising YOUR
rights will only lead to conflict.
You stupid, stupid people
dangerous combination: ignorant and hateful!
In a poor Istanbul neighborhood,
At the ground floor of our house,
My great-grandmother says:
It is time for morning prayer.
If you pray, she says, pure as a child,
From this corner of the room,
An angel will appear.
I am five years old closing my eyes.
EssallamÃ¼ alleykÃ¼ ve rahmetullah.
I am fifty opening my eyes.
In Boston, Massachusetts,
In a not so poor neighborhood
At the top floor of our house
Praying my morning prayer.
From that corner of the room,
My great-grandmother appears.
I think the best idea would be to build a GAY bar that caters to Muslim men in the commercial space next door.
Let’s get a good look at thier bridge building tolerence in action. Funny thing is,when it’s all said and done, they may keep each others lights on!
I love the speach!! More Americans should feel this way & we should all be doing more!! One thing we DON’T need is another mosque built in the Arizona desert!! Sorry, but the illegals won’t use it or even go where it’s near. Sheriff Joe will get ‘em!! ThankS!!
It is hard to believe that any one can perceive this act as anything but an insult to the people of the United States of America. The radical Islamic front will continue to hit us in one of our soft spots, a land of freedom, until we as a people can move together to say you will not ruin our country. We can be tolerant of our differences, but do not have to stand up and continually be slapped down using our very constitution as the tool.
Since New York is the location, they can use “land use” as a tool to not allow the use of the property for a Muslim or Islamic building. New York City can rezone the site for the good of the people.
If New York needs any urging we as the people can hit them in the pocket book. Possible a boycott would be helpful.
I am not someone who is out marching for causes, but I feel like it is time for those of us in the wings to come out and make our feelings known. This is not a political issue, but possibly more fundamental as a survival issue. The world has been told that they intend to take over, and they are doing it little by little.
I just wanted to say thank you for your video. You have said, rather eloquently, what I’ve been thinking since hearing of this horrible proposition to build a mosque just a stone’s throw away (no pun intended for a religion that still encourages the stoning death of people for “crimes” like adultery in middle Eastern nations)from Ground Zero. I’m a New Yorker myself and the thought of a mosque being built at the site of what has become the worst attack on US soil both shocks and sickens me. It especially disgusts me now in the wake of last weeks execution of several doctors and their party doing aid work in Afghanistan at the hands of the Taliban who claimed responsibility for the murders and gave the excuse that they were Christians/preaching Christianity simply because they received funding for their aid work from a Christian foundation. I’m so disappointed in my government for being so worried about appearing politically correct when foreign nations and/or extremist groups have no problem showing their utter disdain and intolerance of any other religion but their own. I’m not saying they can’t build a mosque but why there? Why now? The suggestion that it’s a coincidence is entirely insulting. I personally hope that this mosque is not built on the proposed site because if plans move forward, come next election time I’ll be voting an entirely different way, for representatives who actually, I don’t know, “represent” the feelings of the electorate and not those of foreign interests. How soon politicians forget the atrocity of 9/11, but I’ll never forget that day watching on the news while home from college with my mom the horrible events unfolding before our eyes, and I won’t forget reading all the names of people from my neighborhood who died in the attacks, most of which were fire fighters, including the father of a girl I went to school with all the way from elementary to high school. Being tolerant doesn’t mean saying yes to everything and I wish the government would realize that and take a stand.
I think it is an absolute outrage that this mosque is even being considered. Ground Zero is a place where nothing should be placed. I can’t believe that our President and mayor of the city are actually for this outrage. Shame on you!!!!!
THis definitely shouldn’t be permitted and America shouldn’t stand for it.
Absolutely preposterous! How long are we Americans going to sit back on our own country, yet reach out to other nations as their saving grace and allow this to happen? It really makes you wonder what our administration’s sincere intentions really are? I can hear Twisted Sister ranting right now…”We’re not gonna take it…!
Count us in on a petition to stop this from happening!
The only hope is to get back the beliefs of the Philadelphian church period Rev. 3:7-13. This church represents the time period when the King James Bible was given and inspired by God. The blessings of God go with that book and that’s what made this country as great as it is Lk.11:28 with Rev. 3:10. Most every church in America 98%has departed from the faith of that book and God will not honor all these new age bibles with their new age spirit of a new age Jesus and new age music etc. which come from corrupt sorces that trace back to the god of this world the Devil who corrupted his wisdom in the beginning. These bibles brought on the Laodicean church period that we are in now where The Lord, who is the Word is out side of the church knocking at the door to be let in. This church makes him sick Rev.3:16 he says he will spue them out of his mouth. In other words they never were part of the body of Christ. I have a lot more to say about all of this so if any one wants to Email me for more information you can do so at email@example.com Psalms 9:17 Â The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.
Romans 10:13 Â For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
The Lord of the King James Bible. Acts 4:12 Â Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Awesome words on NEVER building a Mosque at Ground Zero, what a slap in the face to those who lost their lives, and their families.
A previous post rightly said this would be like putting a giant Swastika in Israel.
In my opinion it would be like erecting statues of Hitler at Auschwitz, Treblinka, and every other Nazi Death Camp.
How thoughtless, how heartless, how mindless, these adjectives perfectly describe the the Jihad.
Thank goodness that this was not some diatribe that could not be responded to.
I have heard , agreed and wish to respond.
My name is Sara Wiedt, I live on the Upper Westside of Manhattan.
On 9/11 I walked from midtown on the eastside to my home.
I personally believe that at this time in the world there are 4 major acknowledged religions in the world.
Islam, Christianity, Judeism, and Hinduism.
This leaves out athism etc.
It is way too easy to take one of these major religions and make them the the Bad guy by saying that they caused 9/11 etc.
If infact all of the people who back Islam say to us that they are behind all of the attrocites that happened during 9/11 then an acceptable religion, as much as Judeism or Christianity must question islam as a positive place of worshop
My personal take on all of this . is that these undertakers of Islam , use it to become separate and evil.
I open the doors to many who would not accept those who were not Chrisian or Jewish, the religions upon which America has traditionally been founded.
Pat Condell makes the same case against Islam that I make 20 times a day, week after week . . . but he makes it better, more powerful and more succinct than I ever could. God bless you Pat, and may you have your reward in heaven . . . less the 72 virgins, of course.
Excellent commentary. But there is a VERY simple solution to the problem of the moslem mosque at Ground Zero: a few gallons of pigs blood sprinkled in and on the premises at regular intervals should do the trick. It’s relatively easy to obtain pigs blood and several volunteers could accomplish this feat as a method of protest under 1st Amendment free speech protection. Simple really – except to the moslem-loving idiots who still think mohammedism is a religion and a peaceful one at that. What people need to understand is it is a political system – not a religion. This debate needs to be had and thankfully most people, with the exception of un-American liberal democrats, do understand what is at stake.
Why should this surprise anyone? Do you not remember the image of the son of islam obama bowing to his saudi brethren, or his refusal to put his hand over his heart during flag ceremonies?
What will it take before people realize this man is a traitor, dedicated to a singular goal of destroying AMERICA.
As Pogo said, “we have met the enemy and he is us”.
GOD BLESS AMERICA!
Mr Pat Condell,
Well said .. A brilliant portrayal of what many of us think but either don’t put forward publicly because we don’t know how or are otherwise simply too afraid to do so.
I’m sick and tired of many of those of the Islamic faith talking about good teachings and bad ones. Fact is I rarely see any [ good ] Muslims publicly denouncing the acts of cowardice perpetrated daily, mostly by those of their own faith.
If the true Islam is so right then all of you stand up and be counted and voice your opinion against all these atrocities and the Mullah’s who encourage terrorist acts against the West, then maybe, we the infidels might take some notice. Then again, you can’t right, because if we are not with you we are against you.. That is part of the teachings of Islam.
America should simply rebuild the tower’s and put a cross ontop of one of the tower’s.It’ll be OUR tribute to those who died and a slap in the face to Islam.GOD BLESS AMERICA!
Pat hit the nail on the head when he described American Government as having lost it. For what it is worth so has the British Government. I wonder if all the British troops realised how much money is being given to Muslim leaders in the UK (in one case Â£26,000 a year) while the troops are putting their lives on the line for Â£16,000 a year salary.
I wonder how well it would be received if Christians put forward plans to build a church in the middle of Mecca.
Come on people wakey wakey it is the muslim plan to rule the world, make your feelings known before it is too late.
Keep the peace and good luck.
Agreed with Baroness de Nares. Mr. Condell strikes me as a person who selects “facts” from certain sources, all of whom are propagandistic rants against all Muslims. He certainly does not manifest a knowledge of the Muslim faith, or of the many different interpretations of the Koran by Muslim scholars, and most of all, seems to be totally unaware of the fact that many Muslims also died in the 9/11 attacks. In short, Mr. Condell lives, operates in, and broadcasts from a “box” in which he lives and shapes his opinions. The “Left Behind” devotees are just as extremist as are al Quaida members, and live in the same “box”. They should be “left behind” by any thinking human being now, not waiting ’till later.
Messages like Condell’s, a self-appointed “jihad watcher”, are rooted in hateful sentiment toward Muslims in general, are the very stuff of which violent extremism is made in any cause, and which fosters more violence, provoking more attacks by the likes of the Mohammed Atta’s and the Timothy McVeigh’s of the world. Anger and hatred darkens Mr. Condell’s face in scary ways, and he does great harm to the efforts of reasonable people like President Obama, working to overcome the hatred that caused 9/11, and the efforts to find common ground of peace and good will through which mutual understanding and respect may grow on both sides of this issue.
Extremists like Condell and Mohammed Atta and the hatred and innuendo they spread are the root of the problem.
I have to wonder if Mr. Condell actually knows even one Muslim, has ever had a discussion with a Muslim imam with regard to the teachings of the Koran, and can name one Muslim victim of 9/11.
What shines forth in this piece and in many of the comments is ignorance. Ignorance leads to paranoia, and paranoia leads to actions like 9/11. It is time that we listen to those who bring the real truth, and who are building bridges of understanding over the floods of ignorance being unleased in the world.
Pat, where is your swastika? You should have it tattooed on your forehead. The irony in everything you say is hilarious. You are a sad little man. You should go to jail for your hate-filled messages.
Hip Hip Hooray for a Brit to give us the insight into the appalling idea of building a Mosque near Ground Zero, What a slap in the face to the men and women who lost their lives that day. And to the families who are still grieving for their loved ones.
When you think you couldn’t be offended anymore by the Muslim, they ask and want this. Well, let me tell you, you don’t see any other religion asking to build near ground Zero.
I agree with Pat Condell, Build your Mosque in Daeth Valley and that will give you an idea of what Hell feels like.
Thanks Pat for showing us it takes a Brit to be a true American. Amazing that our best global partner is the country we revolted against…
Sad part is that we have Islam’s greatest insult to Americans sitting in the Whitehouse even allowing such talk to continue.
To all you July 4th, hot-dog eating Americans, it is respectfully suggested that you read a letter from one of the guys who had just rid this country of the likes of Cordell. Then, after reading it you can decide whos side you are really on, Cordell or the writers.
While I received with much satisfaction your address replete with expressions of esteem, I rejoice in the opportunity of assuring you that I shall always retain grateful remembrance of the cordial welcome I experienced on my visit to Newport from all classes of citizens.
The reflection on the days of difficulty and danger which are past is rendered the more sweet from a consciousness that they are succeeded by days of uncommon prosperity and security.
If we have wisdom to make the best use of the advantages with which we are now favored, we cannot fail, under the just administration of a good government, to become a great and happy people.
The citizens of the United States of America have a right to applaud themselves for having given to mankind examples of an enlarged and liberal policy worthy of imitation. All possess alike liberty of conscience and immunities of citizenship.
It is now no more that toleration is spoken of as if it were the indulgence of one class of people that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights, for, happily, the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens in giving it on all occasions their effectual support.
It would be inconsistent with the frankness of my character not to avow that I am pleased with your favorable opinion of my administration and fervent wishes for my felicity.
May the children of the stock of Abraham who dwell in this land continue to merit and enjoy the good will of the other inhabitants while every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and fig tree and there shall be none to make him afraid.
May the father of all mercies scatter light, and not darkness, upon our paths, and make us all in our several vocations useful here, and in His own due time and way everlastingly happy.
To the Jewish Congregation, Newport 1790
Oh, Condell, him, too.
I always hear how we must do something before it’s too late. Do what exactly? I also can see the slow takeover by these evil creeps but what can we do other than vote? We have islams biggest cheerleader usurping the Whitehouse doing his best to bring down this wonderful country. If the office holders no longer care what we the people think, what is the next step?
Bravo; nice work! He has the balls to say what very few in the US can (especially those in our govt.); the noose of political correctness is around our necks already; further testament to the fact that democracy doesn’t work with an uninformed electorate. Shame on us.
I hear they’re putting up a Islamic GAY Bar next door to The Mosque if it goes through ..Perfect to recruit Gay Muslims ..It’s have Much Better Music I’m told .
They need to put a Ladies Topless BBQ PORK Resturant on the other side of the Mosque if it goes through …
This is an American Tragedy !
Well said Mr. Condell. Lawrence Andrews, MJD and any others who believe Islam is purly about peace and tolerance, I ask that you please have a further look into Islam to truly see what it says. Please realize that the only true peace in Islam is through either converting the infidel or killing them “with the sword”, as it says in the Koran. Muslims will argue that Islam is about peace and tolerance. According to the Koran, newer versus (in chronological order) over-write older versus. So according to how the koran is put together or bound, peace comes after beheadings. Well, the Koran is put together from longest verse to smallest verse, NOT chronological order. Chronologically, peace was preached by Mohammed BEFORE killing. Put two and two toghether and you see that without Islam, these terrorists would NOT have happened. In no way am I saying that all muslims are wanting to kill non muslims, I’m just stating what is written in their book. Yes the Bible talks about death and destruction in the OLD TESTAMENT, not after Jesus Christ came and brought with him Christianity. Please believe me when I say that Muslims around the world (not necessarily all) will be celebrating a victory OVER America once this thing is built. This mosque will not just show our ignorance, but will anounce to the world that Islam is dominating. But we will prevail as Americans. Al Qaeda will use this publicity to recruit new terrorists, they will anounce this as a victory for the Islamic caliphate that they want for the world. You should know that terrorist organizations conduct excellent information operations when it comes to the media and getting people to believe what they want them to believe. Americans may feel that we are being tolerant and following the constitution, but the perceptions of others is the true reality. For all you terrorists out there, we as Americans will not fall, we will not allow it. We will endure. We are a great nation of free people.
THE STORIES BELOW ARE 2 OF THE SADDEST SIGHTS YOU’LL EVER SEE. AS SAD AS THE FIRST ONE IS, MANY PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW THAT IT GOES ON. EVERYONE SHOULD KNOW, BUT THE MEDIA DO NOT REPORT EVENTS SUCH AS THIS ONE.
1. Mass Muslim Marriage in Gaza
Poor kids – what a terrible fate to be born as a girl in a Muslim country
HAMAS PLAYS HOST TO PEDOPHILIA
Muhammed married a six year old bride. But Islam has evolved in 1500 years. In Hamas land, in 2009, the brides are almost seven.
Mass Muslim Marriage in Gaza
450 Grooms Wed GIRLS Under Ten In Gaza
by Paul L. Williams, Ph.D.
A gala event has occurred in Gaza.
Hamas sponsored a mass wedding for four hundred and fifty couples.
Most of the grooms were in their mid to late twenties; most of brides were under ten.
Muslim dignitaries including Mahmud Zahar, a leader of Hamas, were on hand to congratulate the
couples who took part in the carefully staged celebration.
We are saying to the world and to America that you cannot deny us joy and happiness, Zahar told the grooms, all of whom were dressed in identical black suits and hailed from the nearby Jabalia refugee camp.
Each groom received a gift of 500 dollars from Hamas.
The pre-pubescent girls, dressed in white gowns and adorned with garish make-up, received bridal bouquets.
We are presenting this wedding as a gift to our people who stood firm in the face of the siege and the war, local Hamas strongman Ibrahim Salaf said in a speech.
The wedding photos tell the rest of the sordid tale.
The International Center for Research on Women now estimates that there are
51 million child brides now living on planet earth and almost all in Muslim countries.
Twenty-nine percent of these child brides are regularly beaten and molested by their
husbands in Egypt; twenty six percent receive similar abuse in Jordan.
Every year, three million Muslim girls are subjected to genital mutilation, according to
UNICEF. This practice has now been outlawed in many parts of America.
The Islamic practice of pedophilia dates back to the prophet Muhammad, who amassed
eleven wives and many concubines after the death of his first wife Khadijah in 619 A.D.
After Muhammad’s elderly wife, Khadijah, died in 619 A.D., he amassed eleven wives.
He arranged the visits to the tents of his women around their menstrual cycles. His
capacity for sexual congress seemed to be boundless. Sahih Bukhari, one of the most
revered Islamic texts, recounts: The Prophet used to visit his wives in a round, during
the day and night, and they were eleven in number. I asked Anas, Had the Prophet
the strength for it? Anas replied, We used to say that the Prophet had the [sexual] stamina
of thirty [men].
For in-between treats, the Prophet kept a stable of concubines, including Reihana,
his Jewish captive. His wives and mistresses were compelled by Islamic law to satisfy his
sexual needs at any time of the day or night, and the Prophet reserved the right to enjoy
them from the top of their heads to the bottom of their feet. 
This might not appear shocking to students of the Kinsey Report, except for the case
of Aisha, Muhammad’s favourite wife. Aisha was the daughter of Abu Bakr, the Prophet’s
closest friend and most faithful follower. As soon as Muhammad laid eyes on Aisha, he
came to fantasize having sex with her. There was a problem with this fantasy.
Aisha, at that time, was a small child of four or five, while Muhammad was a middle-aged man of fifty.
Still and all, the Prophet wasted no time in making his fantasy a reality. When Aisha turned six,
Muhammad asked Abu Bakr for his daughter’s hand in marriage. Abu Bakr thought that such
a union would be improper – not because Aisha was a mere child but rather because he considered
himself Muhammad’s brother. The Prophet quickly brushed aside this objection by saying that
the union was perfectly right in the eyes of Allah. Abu Bakr consented.
And Muhammad took the little girl as his new bride.
When they were married, Muhammad, in his mercy, permitted Aisha to take her toys, including her dolls,
to their new tent. The marriage was consummated when Aisha was nine, and the Prophet fifty-three.
The three year waiting period was not caused by Muhammad’s concern of sexually molesting a child
but rather by the fact that Aisha contracted a skin disease which caused her to lose her hair.
Pedophilia was not only practiced by Muhammad but is also sanctioned by the Quran.
In its discussion of the waiting period required to determine if a wife is pregnant
before divorce, the sacred text says if you are in doubt concerning those of your
wives who have ceased menstruating, know that their waiting period shall be three
months. The same shall apply to those who have not yet menstruated (65:4).
Those who think that modern Muslims have abandoned this teaching should study the pictures that accompany this article and recall the words of Ayatollah Khomeini, the most famous Islamic cleric of the 20th Century:
A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate;
sodomizing the child is OK. If a man penetrates and damages the child, then he should be responsible
for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however, does not count as one of his four permanent wives.
The man will not be eligible to marry the girl’s sister. . . It is better for a girl to marry in such a time
when she would begin menstruation at her husband’s house rather than her father’s house.
Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven.
 Sahih Bukhari, 1:268, translated by M. Mushin Khan, Muslim Student Association, The University of Southern California, 2001, http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/
 Ibn Ishaq, Sirat Rasul Allah, pp. 525-526.
 Sahih Bukhari, 5: 235.
 Ibid., 8:151, 5:234.
 Ibid, 5:62, 63.
 Ibid, 8:151.
 Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, Tahrirolvasyleh, volume 4 (Gom, Iran: Darol Elm, 1990), p. 186.
2. Pictures from London ….this is beyond scary
MAKES YOU WONDER DOESN’T IT? CAN YOU IMAGINE HAVING A CHRISTIAN DEMONSTRATION AGAINST ISLAM IN DOWNTOWN BAGHDAD? OR EVEN, DOWNTOWN LONDON?
View the pictures below and decide how you really feel about the future of the Western World. These pictures are of Muslims marching through the STREETS OF LONDON during their ‘Religion of Peace Demonstration.’
WHY WOULD ANYONE THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE AT WAR WITH SUCH NICE, PEACEFUL MUSLIMS?!
You need to forward this one to everyone! These pictures tell it all!
Muslims have stated that England will be the first country they take over!
Thanks realityreturns: There is a scathing article by Thomas Fife of the National Writers Syndicate which has been snatched off of the net very conveniently by Obamamow Se Tung.
To summarize I had printed if off just before it disappeared, Fife tells of a trip in 1992 to Moscow for a joint venture in a software company with some people from the Russian scientific community.
Fife was invited to stay with one of the Russian Scientist and his wife. Fife goes on to say as he was having dinner with them and the evening wore on the wife was abrupt and very outspoken. Her husband continually tried to shut her up, but she wanted Fife to know she was a devout member of the Communist Party.
Later she began describing a young boy named Barack which is Arabic. Then she told him he was also a devout member of the Communist party and was attending Ivy League Colleges in America. Her husband by this time is desperate to shut her up because she had been drinking, but again she was on a roll.
She goes on to say “What if I told you he is being prepared to be your President of the United States. It is true, this is not idle talk. This boy has been prepped for years to takeover America and implement Communism into your government.
She continued to say that Communism was far from dead, and she was very happy that Barack will make America fall. She even described his Mother was white, and his father was Black from Kenya. (What she failed to say was his father was mostly of Saudi Arabian descent).
She then described he was presently living in Chicago & would soon be a communist plant in the legislature. Later he will be planted nicely into American Politics and be your President. He will help us bring down America, and implement Communism.
Everyone remember this took place in 1992 before anyone on the national scene ever heard of Obama, or Barry Soetoero the name he used when he was in Indonesia. Obama would have been around 30 yrs. old and a plant for their cause.
All of this trail has been hidden from America, all of our news media including Fox News is silent. the radical left has attacked us Constitutionalists call us “Birthers” a far left radical hate name. Now does everyone understand why Obama is fighting to keep his records sealed, and why all of these corrupt judges in our courts are helping him? This plan has been laid out for years.
It even shocked Hitler Hillary. She was totally dumbfounded how this fraud came literally out of nowhere, and the entire news media was silent on the critical issues of his birth certificate, and even lied for him saying he was from Hawaii.
He is from Kenya, born in a Kenyan hospital, and his own Grandmother told on him, along with his relatives. Has any media TV outlet reported this? No Have all media covered up for Obama yes.
Fox news is now owned by the Saudis, of course they aren’t going to rock the boat. The Saudis are muslims, and O is a Muslim. Snopes and Factcheck etc. are all corrupt. They are still reporting very old news on Prince Alwaheed bin Tatal who they show only owns 5.7%. Between all of his holding companies he owns 70% of News Corp, which owns Fox News.
Hey Glenn Beck , why don’t you put this on your blackboard??
I have emailed Beck, Hannity etc. No reply and not going to report it. They know who signs their big checks.
Wake Up America This is a complete fraud and scam that has been put upon us. It is so bad, the dishonest Femi Nazi Hillary Clinton couldn’t even stop it!!!!
What a shame Great America you politicians are a bunch of headless chickens. I always looked up to your country but i soon realized you are spineless. Pakistan knows your weakness too and you still continue to fund them. What a joke! TRY TO BUILD A CHURCH IN SAUDI ARABIA
This is wrong!
This sentiment is wrong.
Before anyone accuses me of being a terrorist sympathizer let me point out that my hometown is Sderot, Israel. I run the website, SderotIsrael.com .
I have no affiliation whatsoever with the Muslim religion, while I do try to honor my Jewish heritage.
And that is why I think Mr. Condell is wrong.
He said that it was the Muslim religion that killed 3000 people on September 11. It wasn’t. It was a group of terrorists whose version of Islam is on the fringes.
The rhetoric that is coming from the other fringes – Fox News and such, and Mr Condell – does not serve us well. It attempts to marginalize all Muslims. I know what it means to be targeted and marginalized because of my heritage. And I know that it is wrong to do the same to any other segment of the population.
Where I teach, there are many Muslim students. Some of my students are Muslim. When I see this kind of statement along with loud protests of people from my country of birth, I feel badly for my students, and ashamed of those people who give in so readily to ignorance.
Pat Condell was right about one thing. If the public which lives in the area is offended by a building, then the building shouldn’t be there. If I lived in New York, I would be against the building of a mosque or Muslim community center. But I would not join a protest whose aim it is to marginalize all Muslim people.
The issue would be better decided by referendum, not by shouting and division.
OOOpps! There is one BIG BIG foundational point of misunderstanding here.
Condell said, “It’s true that diversity has been good for America. It has been the making of that country, but…”
Our motto is E Pluribus Unum meaning from the many one. The American way is the opposite of the present day use of “diversity.” In fact, the “diversity” error has been systematically put forth for absorption by minds at home, and around the world, aimed at destroying this foundation of American strength and prosperity; unity. Put our motto together with the declarations of “Liberty” and “In God We Trust”, and you have the three pillars of American society. Along with the demise of unity under assault by “diversity” thinking, the Christian foundation which leads to our pillar of In God We Trust has also been under attack from within for decades. If either unity or trusting in God gets largely kicked out, Liberty can not stand.
That’s why our government is feckless and foolish, unable to effectively stand against the Islam threat. Our public servants have not a clue about the formation and foundation of America. Tragically, our failure to uphold Bible teaching and purposeful instruction in American history in our public schools has left most of us ignorant and wondering how to balance the forces of our evil against theirs. Consequently, our politics is left to play at mere democracy.
The concepts of “religious freedom” and “separation of church and state” are like the “diversity” error. Our Constitution prohibits the government from establishing a State Church. The context is Christianity, not all religions.
On the other hand, our government is bound to uphold all the pillars of our founding. Removing our Constitution from it’s historical context of Christianity is to destroy its meaning and purpose. (That is what some want to do so they can replace it with various forms of personal dissipation and government tyranny.) Do you want to hold on to Liberty? If so, you must find and hold on to the source, Jesus the Christ; and teach your neighbor. Islam is based on a false prophet’s teachings. There is no peaceful co-existence between them.
Remember the old song “From the halls of Montezuma to the Shores of Tripoli…” One of our early Presidents, Thomas Jefferson I think, send Marines to the Barbary coast to stop (Islamic) pirates from interfering with shipping. Sound familiar?
It would be both Constitutional and expedient to eliminate all mosques from American soil, and never allow another to be built. It is Christianity that America was founded upon, and Islam is always, every day, in every way opposed to all three of the foundations of America…Liberty, E Pluribus Unum, and In God We Trust. Islam is an enemy of the State.
Condell said, “It’s true that diversity has been good for America. It has been the making of that country, but…” Not so, Mr. Condell.
Our motto is E Pluribus Unum meaning…from the many one. The American way is the opposite of the present day use of “diversity.” In fact, the “diversity” error has been systematically put forth for poisonous absorption by minds at home, and around the world. It’s inception was intentional, and spread by casual (non thinking) contact, it is aimed at destroying our unity, this foundation of American strength and prosperity. Put our motto together with the declarations of “Liberty” and “In God We Trust”, and you have the three pillars of American society. Along with the demise of unity, under direct assault by “diversity” thinking, the Christian foundation which leads to our pillar of In God We Trust has been under attack from within for decades. The anti-Christian sentiment and actions of government are growing. If either our ways of unity or trusting in God get largely kicked out of our society, Liberty can not stand.
That’s why our government is feckless and foolish, unable to effectively stand against the Islam threat. Our public servants have not a clue about the formation and foundation of America. Tragically, our failure to uphold Bible teaching and purposeful instruction of American history in our public schools, has left most of us ignorant and wondering how to balance the forces of our own evil against theirs. Consequently, our politics is left to play at mere democracy.
The concepts of “religious freedom” and “separation of church and state” are like the “diversity” error. Our Constitution prohibits the government from establishing a State Church. The context within which our Constitution was written is Christianity, not all religions.
On the other hand, our government is bound to uphold all the pillars of our founding. Removing our Constitution from it’s historical context of Christianity is to destroy its meaning and purpose. (That is what some want to do so they can replace it with various forms of personal dissipation and government tyranny.) Do you want to hold on to Liberty? If so, you must find and hold on to the source, Jesus the Christ; and teach your neighbor. Islam is based on a false prophet’s teachings. There is no peaceful co-existence between the two.
Remember the old song “From the halls of Montezuma to the Shores of Tripoli…” One of our early Presidents, Thomas Jefferson I think, sent Marines to the Barbary coast to stop (Islamic) pirates from interfering with shipping. Sound familiar?
It would be both Constitutional and expedient to eliminate all mosques from American soil, and never allow another to be built. It is Christianity that America was founded upon, and Islam is always, every day, in every way opposed to all three of the foundations of America…Liberty, E Pluribus Unum, and In God We Trust. Islam itself is an enemy of the State.
I am always wary of “feel good” messages, and this Condell piece fits the bill. His overriding mistake is to assume that there is only one Islam. There is no more one Islam than there is one Judaism. In Christianity there is much more of a single-mindedness than in Islam. The Methodists and Episcopalians and Lutherans and Roman Catholics vary little in their message, which is love and peace. Not so in Islam.
In opposition to the mosque, and recognizing the 3000 innocents that died at ground zero, Condell asks “should the religion that murdered them be allowed to build a towering triumphalist mosque on the ground where they died?” In this, as well as in his entire speech, he suggests that there is only one religion called Islam. This ignores the huge differences between the Wahhabi, the Taliban, Sunnis, Shia, Sufis, among many others.
Condell is quite correct in damning the 9/11 monsters. They were Saudis, where Wahhabi Islam is in full control, having made a pact long ago with the Saud monarchy – “you can control religion, while we control the government”. The monsters were nurtured and protected by the Taliban of Afghanistan, where Wahhabi mind-set is predominant. But the proposed mosque near ground zero is a Sufi undertaking. Though the Wahhabi and Taliban (as well as the Chinese) ban Christian churches, the Sufis welcome them.
Condell is correct in that the people who proposed this mosque so near ground zero are doing it in “bad taste”, but bad taste is not something either our Constitution, or the Bill of Rights, or any Constitutional Amendment or any body of law can ban. The promoters also show bad taste in proposing to call this mosque Cordoba House, for obvious reasons. I find it the height of irony that the Tea Party activists, as well as most Republicans and Conservatives, claim to be the last line of defense of our Constitution, they are the first to violate our Constitutional protections in this case.
When Condell says that Islam has a hair trigger and would explode in rage if something like this were done to offend them he is quite correct, as he is when he bemoans radical Islam and jihad, the bombings in Madrid and Bali, etc., as he also correctly states that Islam rejects fundamental American values of freedom. But again, in the entire piece he ignores the difference between the Islam that is whipped up by the radical fanatics, and the Sufis that are behind this mosque.
I am painfully aware that the monsters in Islam’s midst are monopolizing the conversation and the peace makers, like the Sufis, are running scared. This is why it behooves us Americans to support the Sufis. The Sufis are just as much targets of radical Islam as Americans are. There have been numerous attacks by the monsters on Sufi mosques. And, if there is any subversive underpinning, financial or otherwise, to this project I have confidence in our FBI and other security services to keep the comings and goings of this, or any church or temple or mosque, under watchful eye.
and you will have a more balanced view of what is at play here. This situation is far from the black-and-white that Condell presents.
Anyone who believes that building the Mosque is a good idea has absolutely no common sense. Once again, these American liberals allow what they deem “political correctness” to highjack their common sense (if they have any to begin with). What amazes me the most is this trend to call anyone with Christian values who disagrees with the liberal viewpoints a hate monger, homophobe, unChristian, etc…
These liberals have NO tolerance or respect at all themselves for differing opinions. We need to coin a new phrase “Christaphobe”. That’s what they should be called. They dispise any opinion that is in line with Christian principles (which 90% of our population believes in and what our country was founded on). We better wake up. Its our own liberal countrymen we need to be wary of- not the Muslims. We all need to speak up and not be afraid to say “no” to the liberal agendas being pushed on us all. When tolerance is contradictory to biblical principles we are “called upon” to CHastize in a loving way and proclaim the Truth of the gosple.
Judging from you accent you English, not sure how long you have lived in this country but apparently it has been long enough. What makes this country stronger is being able to exercise freedoms provided by the Constitution. I don’t know if Muslims should build a Mosque on this site but if they have obtain the property legally and obtained the building permits legally then they have the same right as you. You could build a hate group right next door and spew the trash. Which reminds me, didn’t you country (England) subjugate Indians so they could control the Tea market, didn’t England tell the Northern Irish they had to be Protestant, how many years and lives did that cost and what happened in the end?
Do you propose we put the 2.8 million Muslims in some camp like they did with Japanese and Germans during the 1940′s? If the Constitution does not determine the freedom of speech who does, someone like you or maybe Cheney. I am a republican and I’m feel ashamed that I belong to a political party that puts its own agenda ahead of Constitution. I’m not sure what if any political party you are member of if any but it would surprise me if you were a member of the Tea Party or even the Republican party. The only thing I get from is an ear ache.
No one died in The Burlington Coat Factory on Sept 11, 2001. Why is it being considered sacred ground? Why is it being considered as part of ground zero when its 2 New York Blocks away. Why aren’t the sellers being accused of being insensitive to selling their prime real estate to Muslims, wouldn’t they be considered sellouts. Why is the Cordova Initiative consisting of people who were the Mayor of Aspen Colorado, or a Catholic Nun doing this, they seem like good Americans who could change their minds anytime. And lets not forget that there is a lot of evidence that the 911 was an inside job.
God Bless, and I pray your words are heard around the world…I Pray for America, and Let Freedon Ring…Down with this illegal President we have…Barrack Hussein Obama has the Congress, the Senate, and the House of Representatives under his thumb…It’s as though every single Politician is afraid to do anything about Obama, and his crusade for a communistic America, even though he sits on the Highest seat, He is still a Kenyan national…I challange him to prove different!!!!
God Bless, and I pray your words are heard around the world…I Pray for America, and Let Freedom Ring…Down with this illegal President we have…Barrack Hussein Obama has the Congress, the Senate, and the House of Representatives under his thumb…It’s as though every single Politician is afraid to do anything about Obama, and his crusade for a communistic America, even though he sits on the Highest seat, He is still a Kenyan national…I challenge him to prove different!!!!
Read my blog and get a clue. http://bit.ly/c0qrtL. If ignorance was bliss the protesters must really be a happy bunch. The proposed Mosque was to be built two blocks away and religion didn’t kill anyone, people did. The same way we use the argument about guns and gun control.
It is a shame what happened but we have to move on a get over this. What about the crusades? Should we not allow Catholics to build churches too. Those crusade lasted over 200 years. Have we stopped churches from being built.
We need to stop the hatred and start with understanding and try to get along. We shouldn’t have to punish Muslims for what they might do. The one’s who committed this horrible act are, i believe, dead or locked up. What happened to innocent until proven guilty or have we forgotten how to treat each other with basic rights and dignity?
what I want to know is who sold them the land in the first place?
First of all, Let me say that I am ashamed to live in a country where people cannot practice their own religion. What happend to freedom of religion????
Also, I think that this man should do some research on Islamic faith before speaking next time. I have lived with a very devoted, Muslim man for 2 years. He is more devoted to his faith than most Christians that attend my church. He was born and raised in Iraq and has been in this country since before 9/11. What happened on that day was truly an attack on AMERICANS!! The hijackers were of an Extreamest group from Saudi Arabia. Why was it that we attacked Iraq??? Islamic faith is a very peaceful faith. What we hear on the news is what our government wants us to hear not the truth. Use the internet people!!! Google arabic news!!!!
And wait don’t Christians kill Christians or convience others to follow them and commit suicide???? Everyday in America there are people who claim to be Christians who kill.
Didn’t we want seperation of Church and State??? That is what we got! So, lets do it people! Building a Mosque is thier right. Should we stop the building of other religious denominations too??
I would recommend spending some time with a muslim. Then maybe people would get why so many are converting. It is a peaceful religion. And if we had to pray 5 times a day would we be Christians? ANy religion take work and devotion to God. Stop Comdemning people for what they believe. Pray for one another and Pray for Peace in the Middle East. Show Love not War.
First of all, the Mosque is NOT on the ground zero location. It is two blocks away and around a corner. Approximately 1/10 of a mile.
Second, we have this little thing in America, called the Constitution, I know you may be unfamiliar with it because we as a Country tend to ignore it and use it only when it is convenient to whatever current political ideology we are attempting to force on others.
Third, Freedom of Religion is prominently discussed in the Constitution. It was, really, what this Country was founded on. Now, I know we don’t like all religions. I don’t like any, but really do we have the right to pick and choose where someone can build a center of worship? Do we really now?
Do we have the right to say Christians can’t build churches near Federal buildings. Timothy McVey was acting upon Christian principles when he bombed the Oklahoma Federal Building.
Or that they can’t build their churches near family planning clinics or medical offices since several Christians have bombed these private entities?
Do we have the right to say that Southern Baptists limit where they place their house of worship when the KKK is burning crosses and throwing rocks at inter-racial couples? The KKK is a Christian based organization.
Do we have the right to say that Catholics can’t build their Churches near Elementary Schools or playgrounds as a result of recent bad practices from their upper echelon?
Hello, Let’s be real. If this atrocity goes through all the red tape and let’s say the first day of building is on the way. First, there is no union iron worker that will touch a bar of steel or a piece of red iron that is supposed to set on the building. Let alone the union carpenter, concrete finisher and so on. I will be willing to bet this Building will not get one story off the ground. BET ME, Robert Burg
Manhattan Island is 22.7 Sq. miles. From Hudson on West to East River on the East it is 2.3 miles wide, and 23.4 miles long. Therefore, I take great offense as a free thinking adult when some one chooses to spread lies, such as “Mosque at Ground Zero”. When in fact this project is NOT! As an X New Yorker, I know that living in that city is far different than any other place in this world. Each block is unique and can be worlds apart from the adjacent street. For that matter, this thinking would move China Town, Japanese, Korea, Russian, and many others would not be permitted to be near each other. They too, are too close and do not worship your God. We must understand that a group of fanatics committed a crime. The logic of your thinking is along the lines that we should kill all white men because Jeffrey Dommer ate people?
Perhaps, Mr. Condell has nothing better to do with his life than spout untruths to stir up like minded bigots. As a victim and black man stated, “Can’t we all just get along?”
An atheist, white, senior woman with tolerance for my fellow man, even thought some of you still need lessons in how to be human.
Yes, Pat is right again. Not only is he right, he is brillant with his oratorical skills. Perhaps every politician should see this before it is sensor-ed by our too politically correct government and liberals. Thank you Pat for enlightening us.
People of the USA, we need to be heard! We can do this if we all band together!!
“We’re mad as hell and we aren’t going to take it anymore”!!!!!
Outstanding Video and the subject covered perfectly! Thank you very much. I will be sending this to my Congressmen who, luckily, are strong Conservatives, Sen Coburn and Sen Inhofe, from Oklahoma.
Once again, thank you. God Bless!
It just took 30 seconds for me to turn this off – Pat has the facts wrong.
First, the Islamic center would be two city blocks away from ground zero – you will not be able to see it (there are much taller buildings between) and it is not on the path to any transportation or restaurants or other attractions – you would have to go out of your way to find it.
Second, why are we listening to a Brit? Didn’t our forefathers die to separate from their religious intolerance? The founding fathers are spinning in their graves listening to the way America has strayed from the very core belief that all religions should find a home here.
Third, he states that Islam executed the 9/11 attacks – really, every Muslim was involved? bin Laden wins when we say things like that, because that is his belief – but 95% of Muslims, particularly here in the US, reject that.
Lastly, think of the precedence this creates. What comes next: a synagogue is not allow to be built because the neighborhood Christians feel they killed Jesus or Protestants stop a Catholic school from being built because anyone who follows the Pope advocates murdering abortion doctors. It sounds crazy, but that is what we are doing here to Muslims – your religion could be next!
Wow!! THANK you Mr. Condell. When you mentioned the mosque built in Spain – a symbol of conquest – it reminded me of the Dome of the Rock they built in Israel. To this day they’re intent on destroying Israel! I hadn’t connected the dots before but now my eyes are opened. They apparently consider the Great Satan America to be defeated. I hope they’re wrong. We don’t have to be hatemongers but we ought to be as wise as serpents about this.
Wake up America! This is not about freedom of religion. It is about our, America’s freedom! This mosque is being built and used by persons who hate this country. Inform yourselves more than reading the liberal headlines or watching the liberal media on TV. Islam is not about peace and happiness. It is about domination. Islam is not tolerant of any other religion except Islam. Read the Koran. Read about the punishments given if you are declared guilty of an Islamic crime. If you call this ‘freedom’ go live in the countries which endorse this behavior. Where has the thinking of Americans gone. If the Americans who support the building of this mosque say it is a question of freedom of religion, don’t tell me to take down my Nativity during Christmas or the cross in the desert southwest as a memorial to fallen veterns. All of you are such hippocrites.
Thank you for speaking up. You are my hero. Many Many of us in the US are very upset about the new building by ground zero and the acceptance by the current administration of all that is going on. We are doing all we can to have our voices heard… I am just not sure if there is anything else we can do, save a major revolution…
Bravo to you…
Have you read http://www.jackcampitelli.com? This guy is a blast. His latest rant about Obama and Ben Quale is precious. Who is he? I think you will like him too. You can track him on Twitter I think.”
I’m sick of “I know somebody whose sister lives down the street from a guy that has a brother who works with one of the people that was at ground zero….and I’ll NEVER forget!”
My favorite cousin was on the first plane.
He was a retired Air Force Colonel, a shuttle qualified astronaut-in-waiting, and a specialist in Spaceborne Surveillance assets, who was drummed out of the Air Force during Bush 1 because he wanted to re-task those assets after the Cold War to keep track of the emerging terrorism threat. The establishment did not want to hear of it, he pressed the issue, and he got shoved out.
At his funeral, the inside leaf of his memorial had more shields from “agencies-you-never-heard-of” than you can shake a stick at.
Where am I going with this?
I’m tired of people like my cousin being waved about like some kind of banner by people who have no other agenda but religious bigotry and fearmongering.
The criminals, and that is all they are, mere criminals-not martyrs; who killed him died at the same instant that he did. Oh sure, I want Bin Laden’s head on my spear, because he planned it. Never doubt that.
They no more represent mainstream Islam than Timothy McVey represented all Christians when he bombed the Federal Building, or that the Westboro Baptist Church represents all Baptists when they protest at Military funerals.
These people wanting to build this Community Center have no connection to all of that, other than the commonality of a religion. The Iman is friends with George Bush.
The goal of the 9/11 act was to motivate us as a nation to abandon our priniciples, and by our reactions confirm what the criminals want the world to believe about us. To a certain extent they have succeeded, stupidity is spreading like Kudzu, and this uproar is evidence of it.
The people who make the most noise about this are like penile-challenged men who hang around with somebody who has a big one, just so they can tell stories about knowing somebody with a big one.
I choose not to abandon my principles, and I choose not to become a bigot because of this deed.
If allowing this Mosque to be built (as if it COULD be disallowed) will give the finger to Bin Laden and show the world that he and his type are Damn liars, then so be it.
What a bunch of traitors all of you are to the American ideal. You’re ignorant pigs.
And how many people here know that Pat Condell is an atheist?
Well done!!! We really don’t have words to write down our opposition, our hearts are so filled of sorrow right now that we can’t believe this is happening, and will happen if we don’t stand strong on this issue.
Peace?? God bless the Kafar? Are you kidding me?? This guy, a disenfranchised Irish Catholic, wants to criticize Muslims in America? Go figure – this is an angry human being who directs his hate toward religion. Here’s one of his more enlightening quotes: “It seems to me that fundamentalist Christians, jihadist Muslims and settlement-building Jews are causing more than their share of trouble in the world. World events are being driven by people with apocalyptic delusions, while here in Britain a paralysing liberal guilt allows religious bigots to use intimidation and violence to stamp out free speech. If you can’t get laughs out of all that, you can’t get them out of anything.” It’s OK that he’s an atheist – just consider the source when you listen to his rant about Muslims building a “mosque” at Ground Zero. Oh… and he has books and cds for sale – does that enlighten you??
Some good points, sure. But this guy is also bigotted and hateful. The muslims just want their place in our society like anybody does – the gays, the right wing militia groups, Mexicans, blacks, whoever.
Where does intolerance take us? Do we marginalize the jews because they killed our Lord? That’s the equivalent of Pat Condell’s statement that the muslims committed 911.
We should try and tone down our Christian chauvinism and focus on just what Jesus said: Love your enemy. Pat’s having a very difficult time with that. Keep working buddy, it will happen.
As an American (white, middled-aged women) I can’t believe that there is such an “uproar” regarding this issue. I guess the British have forgotten the Crusades and more recently the “religious” war in Ireland between Catholics and Protestants. Did Ireland forbid the building of more churches? I don’t think so. I also wonder how many muslims were killed in the twin towers. This question has not, to my knowledge, been asked or answered. As an athiest I fully believe that all “religion” is a joke but as an American I believe that everyone has the right of religious beliefs. We need to start working together, respecting each other and living in peace. This is the kind of thinking that terrorists feed on. When people cause an uproar like this we are just feeding the frenzy of backwards thinking and it makes us no better. People need to take the high road and practice what they preach. We should all start living “DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE THEM DO UNTO YOU”. If the tables were turned would any other religion be happy with being told they couldn’t build a place of worship–I think not! All religions, races, cultures, etc. have both good and bad within them. That is not going to change. To say that all Muslims are bad is WRONG. Just as saying, all Englishmen are boring or all Catholic priests are child rapists is WRONG. If Pat Condell is considered “genius” by the English then I am glad that I am an American. All this speech indicated to me is that this man has a very closed mind and is a bigot.
I’m sorry, but this is utter crap. Actually I couldn’t disagree with this guy more. He’s not telling the truth about this community center, or about Islam, or about Christianity, for that matter. Cordoba House is a community center. And it’s not “a few yards” from Ground Zero. It’s proposed to be built two blocks away. There are many religious institutions of different faiths in the neighborhood. Some, like St. Paul’s Chapel, which is part of the Episcopal parish of Trinity Church, are right next to Ground Zero. St. Paul’s is the church that was nearly flattened when the WTC came down, but somehow miraculously survived. St. Paul’s is where George Washington worshipped when he was first elected President. It is where the fire fighters and rescue workers came and collapsed on the pews to rest during the arduous work of searching for victims. The pews there are still scratched from their boots, and the church has decided to leave those scratches and scars because they consider them historic and sacred to the memory of the workers and the victims.
It is this very church which also welcomes the building of the new Muslim Community Center two blocks away. They know and have worked with the people who are associated with the proposed center. The Muslims who want to build this center are good people, and American citizens to boot. They have been a part of that neighborhood for years, and they have worked with other religious groups, including my church, on joint projects. Here is the statement issued by Trinity Church in support of Cordoba House.
I think most Americans don’t know much about Islam, and probably don’t know many Muslims. That makes us easy pray for ignorant and racist jerks like this commentator. Comparing Muslim people to Nazis is ridiculous. And Christianity has had plenty of hate-filled violent extremists too, who don’t represent Jesus Christ any more than the 9/11 attackers represent true Islam.
My advice: don’t fall for it. Our country was built, among other things, upon freedom of religion. We need to practice what we preach. And it wouldn’t hurt to get to know a few Muslims either. Knowledge helps overcome a lot. The oldest mosque in the USA, by the way, is in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, and they are very active in the community. Their first building was built in the 1920′s by immigrants from Lebanon.
The muslim religion is NOT a religion of peace…..but of “if you don’t believe as I do, you are an infidel” and deserve to die….May the Creator God of all that is shelter His people from this arrogant and blood-thirsty people…L. McGowan
Thank You Pat Condell for stating it exactly the way it is, unfortunately our country has been over run by liberal idiots who are drinking the Kool aid served up by this administration. The fact of the matter is that the Muslim community that is hell bent on destroying our great country has a doctrine that states they must present two faces to the world, one is to be meek and humble and the other is to stay true to their ultimate pursuit which is to destroy Israel and The Great Satan “The United States of America and the people who believe in freedom. Don’t ever be fooled by the true purpose of the terrorist who took over 3000 innocent lives. And to clarify, I am postive that all Muslims are not of this mind set, but the terrorist faction is absolutely 100% determined to continue on this course.
What I’m curious about is why so many refuse to even listen to the criticisms toward Muslims….. IMO, this guy has a much better grasp as well as first hand “islamization” experience of the UK to look at to base his views. We Americans are so head in the sand PC oriented that we refuse to look/listen at anything anymore that may create a tiff or somehow offend someone. As he says, “wake up America. Its time to rub those sleepy eyes and see…”
Pat Condell is the master of bigotry. His remarks are based on ignorance of Islam and are designed to incite hatred and fear. Those of us who are Catholic, Protestant, Jew, Hindu, Moslem, et.al, should keep in mind the periods in history when our own people were treated unjustly. We can learn from the past how to recognize and stop this ugliness.
I agree with the assessment made by Pat. The real issue is when are the true Christians of America going to step forward and renounce this pagan religion (as well as the others) for what they are and reclaim America for which it was founded on. Our fore father did not expect that our past and present day leaders and judges would twist the Constitution in such a way would allow for the recognization of rights for anyone who feels that his “civil rights” are violated, no matter the cause. Are we going to be forced to recognize pedophiles and the like since we are now being forced to recognize the rights of gays and lesbians? Homosexuality is abomination in God’s eyes and even though God does love the person and He hates the sin they are involved with and will not inherit a place in Heaven. (1 Corinthians 6:9-10 NIV) I am all for the freedom of religion that our Constitution affords to all AMERICANS, but these folks (Muslims) is not Americans. They have no respect for America or the principles by which this country was founded on. As for these Muslim zealots, why aren’t the main stream Muslims in America coming out and denouncing these terrorists for what they are instead of being silent on the issue. By their silence, I feel they are supporting this ideology and are as much a part of these terrorist acts as the terrorist themselves. Remember there have been atrocities committed by “Christians” in the name of Christianity in the past but afterwards, our main stream Christian leaders have stepped forward to explain that these extreme religious zealots are not representative of the true Christian principles. It’s time to wake up America before our wives are forced to be dressed in burkas and you are forced to pray 5 times a day to Mecca!
Some believe that the Constitution gives people the right to own and carry arms.
That same Constitution gives people the right to build a Mosque two blocks from Ground Zero.
As a people, we can choose to respect the rights of Moslems to build the Mosque where it has been approved by all NYC boards. We can also choose to acknowlege that the horror of 9/11 was committed by a very small group of extremists who in no way represent the majority in Islam. Everyone, including families of victims, has the choice of hating or not hating. Healing will never come out of hatred.
For all of you who think that the building of this mosque is innocent, please explain why a Canadian Muslim who expressed opposition to the mosque was warned “May Allah protect you” by the owner of the land the proposed mosque is to be built on. With a little luck the reason is just greed; a $100 million dollar mosque obviously provides for a little (or a lot of) profit. Or is there another motive? Either way, a nice gentle religious person would probably not have needed to give this warning.
I’m 61 years old and all I can do is think of the exact words my grandmother would have said had she not passed 55 years ago, “This country has gone to Hell in a handbasket!” Obama does support a mosque being built there. I’m a regular Citizen Jane Doe, and I think that idea is ludicrous. It’s so wrong! NOT on ground zero. NEVER. Presdident Obama, I believe in freedom of speak, religion and everything else our forefathers have fought, died and defended for our country for, but never would they have supported this slap in the face. Our politicians are spineless now. They stand up for what looks good, not what is RIGHT. Don’t build a mosque on Ground Zero.
The United States of America was once called the Great American Melting Pot because of all the various nationalities represented in its creation. Sometimes when you are melting different ingredients together, you can put the wrong ingredient into the mix and spoil the entire concoction. Throwing Islam into the mix is doing just that spoiling the pot. As a professional firefighter, I can think of 343 reasons why this mosque should not be allowed to be built. Just look up the names of the 343 firefighters from FDNY who gave their lives for the benefit of others. I am just curious would we be allowed to build a Catholic Cathedral in Mecca? I urge all Americans to use the right that you have as an American (Freedom of Speech) and contact your congressman and senator and voice your opinion. Say NO to Islam !!!
Might I remind everyone that religion doesn’t kill, and people who believe in any religion are not killers. Only people who take phrases from the dark ages out of religious text and out of context and then take those tidbits to the extreme, for example in the bible when it says you should cut off your own hand if it has sinned. Of course that’s not what Christianity is all about and Christians are not all running around severing limbs. I’m sure they did during the Inquisition. Wasn’t that the Christian Jihad, the Christian holy war. Every religion has holy wars, as far back as religion was created. It doesn’t mean that the majority of people who follow that religion are bloodthirsty in the name of God. In fact the root of Muslim religion is to live a peaceful life with out harm to others, just as the Christian way is to do unto your neighbor as you would want upon yourself. All religions share a common theme of peace and loving your fellow man if you really take the time to study them and get past all the superficial media you see on TV. I mean really, are we so uneducated in the new millenium with all our technological gadgets. Are they doing the thinking for us? Hmm? Every body has a right to pray and connect with God in their own peaceful way. Building a mosque should not be seen as an insult to those who died. It should be a tribute to those Americans who gave up their freedom and their lives for a country where we HAVE the freedom to choose how we pray to God.
Has no one notived the irony here?
Most of the colonies were settled by refugees from England, who wished to be able to worship in their own way, free of the strictures of the Church of England. This right became enshrined in the Bill of Rights.
And now a Brit castigates us for suggesting that we should allow free practice of one’s one religion. Ah, the irony!
Has no one noticed that the “mosque at ground zero” is nowhere near “at ground zero”? It’s two and a half blocks away. About the same distance away is another mosque, which has been there since 1970 (check it out).
Has no one noticed that the Imam of the mosque (and cultural center/gymnasium) in question has been a voice of the US people (CIA, Department of State, and others) for moderation and tolerance, and is even as we gnash our teeth, is on an international mission of goodwill for the US? What have we to fear – another Muslim point guard?
I am ashamed of those who cover their own racial and religious prejudices with phone patriotic blarney about “hallowed ground.” Do they not realize that Muslims pray daily, even to this day, at the Pentagon? Do they not realize that there are Japanese Shinto shrines very close to Pearl Harbor?
I thought the Americans were supposed to be exemplars of tolerance and welcoming openness. Some Americans I know still are.
NUKING NEW YORK CITY….. I learned all I needed to know about Islam on 9/11….But regardless — following the failed Muslim terrorist attack on the World Trade Center in 1993, and the successful Muslim terrorist attack on the WTC towers in 2001, the American economy still stumbles forward, albeit slowly, and in great confusion.
As it is the stated goal of the Islamic terrorists to destroy the economy of the Great Satan — uh, that’d be us — the USA — the land of the free and the home of the brave — what greater step forward than to plant a hardened bomb factory in the heart of Manhattan?
Deep in the dark bowels of this execrable atrocity, dark minds in the lab will assemble and store the weapons of the poisonous cult of Mohammed, against a day when it is deemed useful to the cause of Islam to light us up in really spectacular fashion, and blow away the financial heart of America.
Those who do not die from blast effect or radiation or chemical poison or germs will die in the riots for food and water as America finally disintegrates, while Muslims and Democrats dance in the bloodied streets, their goal, finally and at last, attained. No wonder they think we are stupid. We are.
But here’s an idea. Build the mosque in Mecca, where doubtless it will be appreciated by the locals. If it is built at or near Ground Zero in NYC, call it “the Ground Zero Mosque” — not “Cordoba House” or some other innocuous-sounding claptrap.
Its construction is a sign that the cancer has metastasized. And one fine morning perhaps it, too, will be reduced to a smoking ruin of gravel, brain tissue, bone, and blood. And then we shall call it “Justice.”
Those contributors who persist in referring to the “gung-ho”
history of the USA are totally missing the point. More or less every country in the world has something to be ashamed of, certainly the UK.
The Ground Zero mosque plans go much too far, and anyone who approves of the notion that it represents a suitable memorial to those who lost their lives on 9/11, is blind to
the hideous promotion of Islam, and the real motive. The plan is obscene, provocative, and revolting.
If Obama fails to block this plan, he will say goodbye to
another 4 year term, and provoke race riots, far worse than those in Los Angeles.
Political correctness is already causing massive problems in the UK, the Netherlands, and indeed, Denmark. Keith Rudd, the previous, and usurped leader in Australia, gained
huge publicity when he spoke out against immigrants demand-
ing Islamic rights, saying that if they didn’t like the Australian way of life, they were free to leave. How
Forget the suggestion to approve the mosque plan if it was
built in Arizona. How about the Arctic Circle, which might
cool this preposterous idea, until, that is, the ice-shelf
This is so simple that even make-believe fascists should see through it. Whatever your taste in political expression, you only HAVE political expression because of this – http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html. You really should reread it. Take little pieces of that away from American Muslims or NAZIs or Jews or Catholics and you’re front of the line for arrest without a charge or writ if you say or think (somebody’s idea of) the wrong thing.
This simpering coward of a Brit would STILL have us believe America and its constitution is weaker than his tepid tea. If it wasn’t for British crimes against free assembly, free speech and freedom to practice religion there never would have been a United States or a Bill of Rights to defend. The British have spent generations murdering and starving populations by virtue of their own arrogant intolerance and now this ninny wants to enlist you! If you want a Bill of Rights then your defense of it doesn’t begin and end with what you like. By the way, our first formal national rejection of the oppressive British empire was the Declaration of Independence followed closely by:
Amendment 1 – Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression, ratified 12/15/1791.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
There’s nothing to say; it’s a local zoning issue. If you’re a brave, patriotic American who wants to defeat somebody worthwhile, defeat the sneaky manipulators who are gutting your constitution one administration at a time, Republican and Democrat alike. This guys blog isn’t this issue, it’s the sypmtom.
There’s nothing to say; it’s a local zoning issue. If you’re a brave, patriotic American who wants to defeat somebody worthwhile, defeat the sneaky manipulators who are gutting your constitution one administration at a time, Republican and Democrat alike. This guys blog isn’t this issue, it’s the symptom.
Pat, great respect for you and all those who are not only well versed in historical facts but also can think critically as well as express himself!
Sorry, it’s probably too late for America either! just look where is our political correctness or just ignorance or just naivness or fear leading us to and there is no HOPE that common sense will be back any time soon!
Ignorant and naive are not willing to change unfortunately!
Like my girl friend, when I sent her the reference to your speach and some facts about jihad and womens in isalmic world – SHE TOLD ME: TO STOP sending her this propaganda!!! no comments! SHE IS educated MBA and once was going to merry a muslim!
PLEASE SOMEONE SEND A COPY OF THIS TO NEW YORK CITY’S MAYOR BLOOMBERG AND THE MANHATTAN BOROUGH PRESIDENT AS WELL WHO STATES HE IS JEWISH AND THINKS IT IS A BAD IDEA THAT THIS MOSLEMS THAT DESTROYED THE WORLD TRADE CENTER SHOULD BE COMPARED TO NAZI’S THANK YOU FOR READING THIS.
Finally someone not afraid to speak up.
I came to America as an immigrant in 1961 for freedom and equal opportunity, and that is what I love about our country.
For that same reason, there are now many enemies in the camp, including the leadership of this country.
America became great because of our freedoms, we do not want to lose it through government and/or a religion that does not teach love.
America needs to wake up or we will see our freedoms disappear one by one.
Pat Condell has seen what happened in Europe, he is not afraid to tell it like it is. Freedom comes with a price and we need to fight for it.
I grew up in Indonesia and very familiar with Sharia law, I do not want it here in the United States of America.
I am in Australia and cannot understand why the President made such an outlandish comment about the right for the building construction. Well.!, get the City of New York to enact building standards that disallow Islamic places of worship within the boundary of NY. Maybe the President is sympathetic to their cause.
One can argue that not all Muslims are terrorists but why is it that all terrorists are Muslims. Go Figure. Keep this up and it will be “Allah Bless America” instead of “God Bless America”. Wake up America
Americans, do not commit this mistake. Do not let them construct any more mosques anywhere on your land. NO MORE MOSQUES on any non-Islamic land on the Earth. Secularism is not understood by Muslims.
Seriously, he does not know our laws here in the US.
“They” have owned that property for some time and nobody argued about it before. If they meet zoning requirements I think they can legally do it.
The main difference in the outlook of Islam and Christianity (besides the Christ/Mohammad thing) is that in recent history, Christianity became less violent and Islam became more violent. Both religions are pretty much founded on violence and they have the same roots, as does the Jewish religion which has elected to be the least violent-and is usually the most downtrodden of the three.
One of the reasons Islam got more violent is because of the way Christians killed them off in past history. At one time, Islam was the most tolerant of the three. They were also the ones developing math, arts, record keeping, etc., when the rest of us were running around committing mayhem. (And some of “them” were my Norwegian ancestors, also known as Viking raiders, generally considered to be the most vicious in the world. (The desire to conquer has nothing to do with religion, but religion is often used to try and justify it.)
So, while it is emotionally rewarding to react in “righteous” anger, why bother? It is not a new location and seems to be legal. They are enlaring their building. It also is farther than the few yards the guy says, and there are several in the area.
Also, in the USA we are supposed to be allowed to practice the religions of our choice without people from outside that religion interfering.
The same is true of our free spe
ech. Even the KKK and Nazi groups are allowed free speech here. It’s the law.
The exception would be if they break secular laws and I have not heard anything to indicate they have.
I just prefer to blame the guilty people, not their religion or politics. There are a lot of crazies in the world-and some of them are preachers infecting their congregations. Now There’s another tangled topic for another time!
And that is my sermon for today….
Life is a learning experience-as long as you survive it.
IN GOD WE TRUST
I actually used to like a couple of Pat’s rants when he first started out as his logic used to be sound. He wasn’t perfect but he was considered. He has now fallen into the same trap that many ‘opinion’ speakers do which is at some point, one of his points strikes an emotional cord with a large emotional group and he must now forever ‘feed’ that monster to hold onto the popularity he has garnered with that group – to the loss of all logic, ethics and decorum.
Now he is a Rush Limbaugh for religious centric/phobic brownshirts. It wasn’t so far to fall and very predictable. If you want to know how to tell if an opinionist has fallen into the emotional feedback trap and lost all semblance of wisdom, here is the litmus test. Wisdom REQUIRES humility. Listen to the rant – not a speck of humility. He now only has ANSWERS. He know what is wrong with the world and he is the provider of those answers. No ifs, ands, buts, questioning, self-examination — just ‘this is what is wrong and you need to be scared of it and furious about it’. The downward spiral accelerates and then the shooting starts.
And while we all fight amongst ourselves over silly, nonsensical issues that don’t ultimately have and bearing or impact, the real power-brokers and manipulaters laugh their heads off at us as we squabble in our pissing matches and cock-fights. Welcome to the Dunderhead Dome.
Pat, congrats on the new poster boy status. If you have a shred of humanity left, and do not want to be a directly contributing spark to the violence and death that WILL result from these kinds ill-considered rantings, step back and ask yourself where your humility went. This kind of popularity and emotional feedback that you are tripping off of is powerful & ego-boosting but it is also fleeting and bitter.
If, on the other hand, you are lost, have succumbed with the track-marks all up and down your soul, my condolences to your family and your future victims of the violence you are starting here. You won’t be missed.
This makes me so sad… So much hatred on these comments.
The remarks about not being allowed to build a Christian church in Saudi Arabia or Mecca are irrelevant. So what? THAT is not America! Aren’t we supposed to be the country who opens its arms and heart to everyone, regardless of their ability or desire to return the favor? Have we all forgotten what our mothers taught us? Treat others as you want to be treated.
Do YOU want to be told that you cannot practice your religion in peace? Have we all forgotten the history of intolerance towards Judaism, Catholicism and Protestantism in various parts of America? Have we forgotten that banning something only makes it that much more desirable to those who want it?
Embrace the fact that we live in a country where people can be any religion.
Again, my heart is so weary at the hatred on all sides…
Please reconsider your anger. Please reconsider forgiveness and acceptance…
You may write New York’s Major at:
Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg
New York, NY 10007
PHONE 311 (or 212-NEW-YORK outside NYC)
FAX (212) 312-0700
Pat Condell for president of the United States of America!!!
Pat Condell is right on his assessment of both the Muslim world and our American response to it. His diatribe is brilliant! To be fair, however, he professes almost equal discredit to Christianity… he is an acknowledged Atheist. While I don’t share his views on Christianity, I do think he nailed it spot on with regard to radical Islamists. As a people we Americans certainly have a responsibility to support the right to freedom of religion: you believe what you want and I will believe what I want; in peaceful coexistence. In my mind, however, Islam is not a religion; it is a brutal cult lead by fanatics who prey on the under-privileged and uneducated who, lacking the grounding of a civil society, will blindly follow some hollow promise of a better after-life if only they will “kill the infidels.” It is a brutal cult absent any tolerance, compassion or sense of equality. I cannot understand how the (supposed) non-radical Muslim can follow Islam after reading the destructive, intolerant teachings of the Qu’ran. Why do the self-proclaimed peaceful, mainstream, followers of Islam refuse to denounce and discredit the extremist radicals of this religion if it really is a religion of tolerance and peace?
Here’s a composite of my blowhardiness from other threads:
I’ve been making just this point for those people (including many relatives of 9/11 victims) who don’t know the neighborhood and confuse ground zero with “near” ground zero- conveniently created to politicize and demonize. The story is crap.
Yes, the issue of a Mosque, were it to be at ground zero, would drive an imposed rawness of emotion, whether it be rational or irrational, into the equation of feelings where it is ancillary, if not needed.
But, it’s just a regular neighborhood. I know the area. Someone blew this thing way up. If it were on ground zero, I might get all the raw emotions. Maybe even if it faced it. But it’s just in the neighborhood [600 feet? If that's correct, is a good NY way.] At an old Burlington Northern warehouse site. You won’t see it from Ground Zero. Were it not for this yellow journalism, you wouldn’t even be conscious of it when you visited. So what if a 9/11 airplane part fell on it? Bodies fell on the strip club two blocks south. This whole story, political on both sides, is crap. Just another divisive day in the neighborhood, Mr. Rogers.
And if they build a Muslim gay bar next to it, I’m sure it will be packed.
- It’s not “near” ground zero. What do you call “near”? How far? People from the area (part of which is just over the bridge, which for many is still like neighborhood) call the area home. I lived in the city for 17 years. PS You know any Muslims from that area? I do. They’ve lived near there for 30 years. You tell them to leave their neighborhood.
-The center was a replacement for one up in Tribeca that was too small. People fell out into the streets. Was that one too close for you as well? None of you complainers even know any of these people, and I doubt many know the area well.
-I’m very sure that all of the 9/11 victims’ relatives and loved ones who object to the center also aren’t familiar with the area. They’re from the outer boroughs and ‘burbs. They’ve been sold with this “at ground zero” crap as well. So emotions weren’t handled well with the project, but knowing NY, they’ll probably smooth it over with some meetings between the two sides the way they always do. It’s not even able to be seen from ground zero. A block is a good amount of space in NY.
-This isn’t Washington DC where there’s a mall for monuments. It’s a city with neighborhoods where people live and work. Downtown Manhattan is not ground zero; ground zero is ground zero. There are banks, grocery stores, retail, bars, parks, strip clubs… all your comforts of home. I can imagine many other stories which could be concocted about existing businesses around ground zero which could be inflated to feed peoples’ rage: “Soon, maybe a gay Muslim bar! 9/11 respect!” This story captured someone’s imagination and was rich enough for many to magnify it.
Park51 was able to be purchased for a low price because commerce is the neighborhood has been beaten since 9/11. The neighborhood needs business stimulus, and has been pleading for it at ground zero since the catastrophe. NYC will try to draw jobs any way they logically can.
But wait! There’s more! I hope they rebuild the quaint Greek Orthodox Church which once stood at Ground Zero. Over what a holy/unholy mess of principle and emotion and commerce and community we can now battle hypothetically!
Perhaps if we create a mall of religious and areligious places of worship (let’s not forget the pagans and atheists and anti-theists) surrounding a memorial, we’ll have thoroughly appeased or pissed off most visitors/mourners while standing on Principle. And let’s keep going: a tribute to every form of society, from agrarian barterers to communists to autocracies and plutocracies and libertarian gun toters to the already planned capitalist places of commerce. We can further throw in a shanty town, a malarial village, a shtetl, and Detroit….and a mini Boca Raton, Monaco, Abu Dhabi, and Tehran.
My very thin point is that pragmatism likely beats every other -ism in this case. I don’t see how a Mosque, were it to actually be at ground zero, could happen. Such is the messiness of New York). I hope they build the cultural center. Whatever protests arise two blocks away will likely fade quickly as the visual presentation of actual Ground Zero will likely keep its offensiveness to a demographic minimum.
Meanwhile, this chap can blow it out his thin, yellow-journalism-smeared arse!
His message was right on Pat said it all eloquently; But he did say at one point, that Fox news was going along with it. But actually Fox News is the only ones trying to pass this message on to the people, all the others are closing their eyes to what is happening. If any station would run this clip it would be Fox News & they probably have.
BRAVO –PAT–BRAVO— THANK YOU AND GOD BLESS
I agree With Pat, and I am sure not all Muslim are terrorist or evil, but if you are Muslim and you don’t agree with the acts of violence, then why do you not speak up, because by keeping silent is just as bad as approving of the acts of terrorism.
And no religion should ever preach hate and acts of violence as they are not religions if they do.
They are simply like the Nazis and do Muslims want to be remembered in the same light in History?
I think Pat is the best. Especially in the following to videos of his:
Pat Condell for President! What do you say to that? I know he is not a natural born citizen, but neither is Barack.
So true, so very true, There was a line drawn in the sand and it was done at Ground Zero. Just say no.
Brilliantly put and what a shame this is not being understood as a total insult added on to the injury upon us as a freedom loving people, and those politicians who support such an insane plan add to the incredible suffering that a peace loving people such as those who lost their loved ones should have to endure. Too much wrong has been looked aside, too little has been done to prove to us that we matter in this crazy plan. If we are to survive as a people we ought NOT to allow such a devious and totally unacceptable plan to continue. I for one cannot believe that we could allow ourselves such a disgrace and to be the laughing stock of the world is intolerable. Americans have always stood up for what is right and THIS is NOT buy any means right to me. It is rather the ULTIMATE INSULT.
Mr. Condell is right on with his monologue. I have been watching with distaste the slow Islamization of Europe, and the “anti-everything good” groups sprouting like weeds there. America needs to WAKE UP and stop this insult to the people that were killed at ground zero as a strong demonstration of support of American rights and for people harmed all over the world in the name of Allah. It is not so much the “religion”, but the gestation of twisted definitions of it that make the Islamic culture so negative. When will something of value come out of Islam? Not in our lifetime.
This will be passed to as many people I know and hopefully the progression will go world wide and strike some type of chord here in the United States.
WOW This guy nailed it.
It is long past time when the patriots of the USofA MUST “cowboy up” and put on their big girl and boy pants and take care of business. Enough is enough.
Hear hear Pat
Welldone. I like especially what he says that no religon is a religon if they practice violence against other fellow countries. There is no such thing as a holy war, they are a bunch of sad extrimists who simply have nothing to do and are bored, take drugs and listen to currupted elders who also high on something. This is not a religon this is a movement! I don’t know what the British and USA poilticians are cooking up but I feel a huge amount of money could be involved. They have only themselves to blame.
I don’t think we will see this mosque built,at least not were they want to put it. I wonder what Iron workers will be willing to help work on the project,not that I would condemn anyone for doing so,It’s just that I think there will be some major opposition from the very people that would be needed to erect such an edifice. Peace to all.
Classic example of speaking without thinking. I thought it was just “our” society who over-reacted to a singular event by crucifying an entire group or sect of people, but apparently there are idiots in other countries too.
The Muslem religion is responsible for 911 is equivalent to saying the Catholic religion is responsible for pedaphilia… or the NRA was responsible for Columbine. They may have a common ground, but there are not cause/effect ideologies coming from these analogies. I am not religious at all, but I’m intelligent enough to know that the Muslim religion is a peacful, god (or allah) fearing group of people.
Are there extremist?? Of course, just like every group. The KKK is made up of white racists,,,, should we group all white people in with them?? Of course not. Black Panthers for black people.
I’m sick and tired of listening to people talk without thinking, watching events like this get politicized for personal gain rather then adhering to the doctorine that made us the United States of America (freedom of religion) rather then ass-kissing, Queen loving, stank breath, and dirty teeth Brits! You have a problem with NY allowing a mosque in lower manhattan… great, stay on your side of the pond and suck the F up!
A Real American!
In following Condell’s Islamaphobic rant point by point, there are no significant confirm-able facts… only fear mongering distortions and exaggerations, based solely upon his own unfounded bigoted opinions.
When taking a stand on a position I feel it’s important to look around to see who is also standing with me on any issue… much of the truth of the issue can be learned from this. I also do believe there are many well meaning individuals, perhaps even the majority of those who honestly but mistakenly feel they actually aren’t denying freedom of religion to others when they prevent for others… something that should be a right to us all. We only have to look at the Nazi persecution of the Jews to know that when it comes to religious intolerance the majority opinion isn’t always the correct opinion.
However, beyond any doubt, there are also clearly, thousands of true bigots and Islamaphobics attempting to take advantage of this situation.
There is absolutely no proof… whatsoever, that any… who support equal freedom of religion for all… have any other goal, than supporting equal freedom of religion for all.
It’s understandable that misunderstandings and wild villainous generalizations could be fueled by an attack such as the one on 9/11… an attack orchestrated and committed solely by foreign intolerant fanatics.
The moderate American Muslims who have been peaceably and tolerantly practicing their faith even before 9/11, are not our enemies… and don’t deserve to be treated as such.
Our free world has real enemies enough without taking out our frustrations on innocent fellow citizens. We all need to be very careful not just what issues we take a stand for or against… but also be clearly aware of exactly just who is standing beside us.
Unsubstantiated fear mongering such as this by Pat Condell only serves to aid the cause of our enemies… By denying the freedom to worship to other Americans based on their choice of faith we diminish our own rights and freedoms.
Nothing could be more helpful to terrorist groups such as Al quaeda than for the American dream of freedom to be portrayed to the rest of the world as a lie…
I would like to have Pat run for President. No one could have said it better or more accurately.
I worked in Manhattan for five years and have many good friends there. Without exception, they are infuriated by this and plan to do anything and everything they can to stop it.
All you “Americans” who are bashing him for telling it like it is, are free to move to the Muslim-land of your choice … and good riddance! I’m sure your wives, daughters, girlfriends, etc. will love their new lifestyle! Unless of course, they are they already being abused, crushed, disgraced, and regarded as sub-human with less value than a Camel?
All you “Americans” who are bashing him for telling it like it is, are free to move to the Muslim-land of your choice … and good riddance! I’m sure your wives, daughters, girlfriends, etc. will love their new lifestyle! Unless of course, they are they already being abused, crushed, disgraced, regarded as a sub-human worth less than a Camel.
All you “Americans” who are bashing him for telling it like it is, are free to move to the Muslim-land of your choice … and good riddance! I’m sure your wives, daughters, girlfriends, etc. will love their new lifestyle! Unless of course, they are they already being abused, crushed, disgraced, and regarded as a sub-human worth less than a Camel?
Right on target. Well said! If insensitivity to the religion and feelings of others no longer has a bearing on issues such as this, I guess we can now publish the cartoons of Mohammad that provoked riots. Also, maybe the Comedy Show can now muster the guts to lampoon Islam in the same manner it has other major religions of the world. I joke of course. There are lurking lunatics just waiting to perform another beheading in the name of Allah in the event of such “insensitivity.” The double standard being applied here is jaw dropping.
I wonder if we had went over and dropped a bomb on Mecca and then asked if we could build a church next to where it used to stand if that would have been OK with them????
READ the Kuran and know your enimies people. They are trying to stick Sharia law in everywhere also!!! Wake up USA!!
I think it’s easy, however eloquently, to take selective “facts” and promote them to a particular view. Especially if that view is compounded by the emotion surrounding recent history. People like Sir Oswald Moseley before WW2 promoted fascism in Britain in basically the same manner by engendering fear mongering about Jews.
This is done by starting your speech (like Hitler) in a reasonable way, complimenting your targeted audience (the United States has a deep seated love of compliments by foreigners) on its history of selective reasonableness (diversity and freedom, and leaving out anything that is nasty in the historical closet that would put a large dent in this popular self-ingratiating perception). Then gradually line by line increasing your vitriol by selective “facts” to enforce your point of view.
For instance, the proposed community center is not a few yards from Ground Zero, but around half a mile away! It’s stuff like that which is used to inflame the bigotry of the masses!
So, if one does not agree with your “reasonable” position, you are either without the real facts, uneducated, or worse anti-patriotic – or un-American.
The lumping of the entire community of the Islamic religion in one pot is the same as labeling all Westerners as radical Christians. The reaction against the building of an Islamic Center “near” ground zero is really just bigotry.
It’s a big subject, but if one remembers that the foundation of our rights is based upon individual freedom, not upon group liberty you can’t go wrong.
As we openly and constantly claim our superior moral position to the world, it is disheartening to see the mob mentality so prevalent.
Alexander Hamilton once said the masses are ass’s. That was his responce to the electorial congress having the ability to elect the president or should I say the inability of the masses to elect a president.
After all these years it seems he was right. We have elections but the majority of us don’t vote. That is truly shameful. Shame on you America you complain about our leaders, complain about government spending, complain about sending troups over seas, but you won’t take a few minutes out of your life to Vote.
I Truly believe in America and all its people. We’ll climb out of the mess our leaders have placed us in and come out for the better on the other side. Won’t happen over night, it will take years maybe decades but it will happen.
I believe in free speach, freedom of religion etc. However I want us to go back to the consitution and a God fearing people. Put us back to where we were, 10 comandents, In God we trust, Pledge of allengence even in OUR government buildings. Put prayer back in the schools. Why was it ever removed ?? because a few special interest groups said so and we the silent majority sat on out hands and did nothing but complain. Enough complaining folks nows the time to take action.
I believe the Muslems have the right to build a building, practice their religion etc. Just not build their 100 million dollar building in New York. That my friends is OUR Hollowd Ground and the people of this country have the right to not allow this knd of building or purpose to be built period. Not there, not now, not ever !
Stand up and be heard America, stop sitting on yer fannies, get up and vote, send letters to yer congeress men, lets as a group stand up and take this country back once and for all.
So Pat says (starting at 3:32) “It’s true that diversity’s been good for America, it’s been the making of that country. But American diversity has ALWAYS been grounded in respect of the values the individual liberties that make America what it is.”.
And a LOT of people here say that this is well said.
So someone please explain to me how the US has “the N word”, or why Indians are 2nd-rate citizens, or why up to a few decades ago (as far as I know this isn’t happening anymore, but I wouldn’t be surprised if) people who had a communistic opinion would be in a heap of trouble if they where found out.
Though I agree with what he says about not accepting a group of people who are against freedom of speech and equality among men (and women ), this guy is a big hypocrite if he claims that America is respecting the individual liberties of people who think/believe differently any better than the moslims do.
Simply thank you. You are a brave man and so was enoch powell … It all came true …
I rarely comment about anything but I feel morally obligated to add my opinion. I have always felt strongly about allowing individuals to become part of the American way of life, but to build anything near ground zero except a memorial would be completely intolerable. A mosque would be the perfect target for any American that wishes to protest which might lead to armed confrontations. Who would blame anyone offended by the audacity of those who would build this mosque?
Thank you Mr. Condell for helping me find my voice. Bravo!
It is astounding that there are so many clueless bigots with no concept of their own blind bigotry even has the intelligence to operate a computer let alone find their way to this gathering place of like minded idiots. It is the idiocy and bigotry of people like these that will do far more damage to our great nation and all that it stands for than the damage down by the 911 terrorists. You are all playing directly into their plans. They want this confrontation and by they I do not mean those that want to build this Muslim Cultural Center, I mean the terrorist planners behind 911 and similar jihaddist Muslims who represent at most 10% of the Muslim world.
The American people never cease to amaze me. In one fell swoop, you condemn an entire religion with numerous millions of followers because of the actions of a group of terrorists.
Those that perpetrated the 9/11 atrocity are no more Muslims that you are interplanetary aliens sent to planet earth to forge discontent. If you are all so ready to stand on your soap boxes and attempt to deny honest, hard-working and loyal Americans the right to free worship and to build a place of worship in your (supposedly) free county, then consider this:
You might as well hold the entire white American nation responsible for the treatment melted out to the blacks and other races during the 1960s and 1960s.
You might as well hold the entire American nation responsible for the systematic annihilation of the native Americans, the enforcement of Reservations and the virtual destruction of an entire peoples’ way of life.
You might as well hold the entire American nation responsible for the murder of hundreds of thousands of Japanese with the detonation of 2 atomic bombs during the second world war.
You might as well hold the entire American nation responsible for the deaths of thousands of Vietnamese, including the spraying of Agent Orange that, even today, still causes birth defects in Vietnam.
You might as well hold the entire Japanese nation responsible for the atrocities against POWs during the second world war.
You might as well hold the Catholics responsible for the systematic torture and death of Protestants in England during the sixteenth and seventeenth centuraries.
Ditto the Protestants.
Ditto the Roman Empire for their treatment of Christians.
Ditto the German nation re. the Jews.
Ditto the Irish Catholics during the 70′s and 80′s for their sustained violence, bombing and murder of Protestants and the forces of law and order.
Ditto the Irish Protestants.
Ditto the forces of law and order.
The Americans in Afghanistan?
The Russians in Afghanistan?
I could go on.
There is absolutely no justification for the campaign of vilification that many of you are now adopting against Muslims.
Do you honestly believe that the Muslim religion decided to apply to erect a place of worship close to Ground Zero simply and entirely to piss off you Americans?
Do you honestly think that the single objective of the Muslim religion is to kill, maim and destroy America, the western world and all other forms of religion?
Do you honestly believe that all Muslims are terrorists waiting for the opportunity to carry out acts of terrorism in the USA, the UK, Spain, Italy, France, Germany…?
Get real, and start campaigning about real issues that matter. Issues such as world famine, aid to the flood victims of Pakistan (assuming that most of you can even find Pakistan on a map), the famine in the Congo, the drug cartels of Columbia, child prostitution, a cure for cancer, paedophiles, gang crime in the inner cities, mass genocide in the African continent.
Maybe that is too much for you to contemplate. It’s much easier to blindly follow a self-opinionated, bigoted, self-appointed spokesman who has absolutely no knowledge of the facts or the Muslim religion, who will select fragments of facts and half-truths in bolster his (totally ludicrous) arguments and who will blindly condemn an entire religion for the (despicable) acts of a handful or terrorists.
In this world, all that is necessary for evil to win is for good people to do nothing.
I just jotted down a few notes as I listened:
A religion can murder people?
“Without Islam… none of those gullible lunatics could have been persuaded to carry out such an insane attack”?
a) Prove your statement. Prove that no other religion, ideology, or book, couldn’t have caused an insane attack. Jodi Foster is responsibly for an assassination attempt.
b) SHOULDN’T WE BE ANGRY WITH THE GULLIBLE LUNATICS AND NOT A RELIGION?
“Any religion that endorses violence is incapable of delivering spiritual enlightenment”
a) The guru/pope/rabbi Pat Condell has spoken. Please tell us how to attain enlightenment since you seem to know the only right way.
“Any religion that endorses violence… Has no right to call itself a religion”
a) Islamic leaders world-wide have denounced violence and have publicly stated that suicide bombers do not get into heaven
b) The Crusades.
“American Diversity has always been grounded in respect for the individual liberties that make America what it is. Islam rejects those values. Islam despises freedom and diversity”
a) So be it. It’s a free country. The Amish reject/despise freedom and diversity too.
He makes the tired “Cordoba argument”. Those against the Islamic community center claim Cordoba symbolized Muslim victory/greatness. Those for it claim it is a symbol of an area where Muslims and non-Muslims have lived in relative harmony for centuries. Moot Point: Since this posting the owners have acquiesced and changed the name to Park 45.
Again, if the goal of the Islamic center is to serve as an outreach to other peoples and to promote conversation about the difference between extremism and true Islam, doesn’t it make sense that it would open on 9/11/11? Pat Condell does not look like he can speak on behalf of the billions of Muslims across the globe and what their view of the Islamic Center will be.
Public opinion cannot do ANYTHING to stop this. Get over it.
Holy shit! Who is this guy? Helaciously articulate he is. I am torn on this issue, but I do understand the perniciousness not only of Islam but of any religion that demands its adherents to evangelize the world and then purge the world of the remaining infidels. Christianity also can be dangerous, particularly if you leave it in the hands of the profoundly ignorant. The Islamists do have a stone-age mindset; but if we are satisfied with them living like cave men, why can’t they be satisfied with us living in the 21st century? I think I read once that the third-world status of most of the Middle East stems from the religious extremists having purged themselves of their intellectuals and academics. Perhaps the fanatics among them hope to purge our part of the world of them as well.
Where all with you Pat
Peaceful people never make the news. I sit and watch Bill Maher bash religion as the cause of war, and he makes his points, but that does not speak well to all o fhte peaceful christians, moslems and even Jews in this world who never make the news.
There are a few things I thnk people should consider here. There are 12 million moslems in the US, and this is a civil affair. A man from England is dealing with a large influx of not just moslems, but Pakis and Middle-Easterners who all came at once, from a radically different culture than the European continent, and there has been massive segregation there ever since, and now European countries are dealing with the children of that separate community, and who ae born and raised there. But the numbers were all wrong – there were too many, and there is very high segregation to it. The US has no such situation to deal with with people from the Middle East – the US will have to deal with this from south of its border, such as the people who say being carded for citizenship is somehow unconstitutional – I don’ think so. I digress…
There were moslems in those towers on 911 who died in it. The mosque is to go into an old building that is 2 blocks away from ground zero. There are mosques all over New York, and I would not call this ground zero.
Also to consider that the US is not and has no reason to consider being overrun by moslems. But, if christians or atheists or Jews or whoever can’t compete, hey, that’s just recruitment statistics. 12 million moslem Americans are peaceful people – period.
And even in the Middle East, where veins of extreme fundamentalism can be found who actually draw upon the old testament for making up punishments for crimes are not the norm. Take a look at capital punishment on the wiki for the world’s use of it. Then realize that groups like the Taleban, and the mullahs of Iran are extremists that the people there really do not like.
Stopping that mosque (using the old Burlington Coat Factory) is unconstitutional and unwarranted. Ignorant sheeple are being asked to believe that American moslems should be treated I think very badly.
And lastly, and this might seem a little out there, but I’ll just go with what the FBI has to say about this. Acording to them, there is no hard evidence linking Osama Bin Laden or Al Qaeda to 911. There is no (properly timestamped) video of the alleged hijackers from the airports that morning, and there are no arab names on any of the passenger manifests. The Bin Laden video from 913 is a proven fake – that is not Osama Bin Laden. Ok, so it may seem to fly in the face of the usual story, but check this for yourself. OBL is not wanted in connection with 911 by the FBI…
Thanks for listening,
It is somewhat confusing to see how forceful, consistent, and popular actions attacking certain types of people exercising their constitutional rights when those events seem to be insensitive to other types of people. Rather than attack, I am more inclined to have informative, educational and non judgmental dialog while attempting harmony amongst humans regardless of categorical descriptions. I am totally as ready to become involved in a solution to prevent hurt feelings that can be caused by current actions. However, I am still stuck in a small group trying to extinguish the display of the rebel flag in/on governmental buildings and public places. Yes, I understand your pain, can we move in the same vehicle?
Pat Condell said exactly what I wanted to say, but he said it much more eloquently and without the profanity I feel so deeply within my soul.
I know we don’t have the best government nor the worst, but
how in the HELL can any true American condone and attempt to justify building this monstrosity, against all of the different people who died in the Towers that day?
It was pure unadulterated, premeditated murder, and they have not given up their God forsaken ideas at more attempts on America and other countries who are our allies.
You cannot justify this no matter what you say. America was
attacked by people of the Muslim faith pure and simple.
Are we going to build a shrine to Timothy McVey? And I don’t give damn about his religion, reasons, or anything else. Nothing matters except the fact that these hideous crimes were commited against humanity. People who do this are just pure evil. The spawn of Satan.
We lost many people that day and even more with the deployment of our American soldiers. Are you kidding me????
Get the bleep out of our government, and our country. We are the Americans who fought for this country and our way of life and our ancesters. We will accept the good, but not the bad in anything.
Do not mistake American kindness for weakness. We are not weak, we are not cowards and we are not infidels. The people who do these thing in the name of God are the infidels. Because if they truly believed they would know God is watching all of us and you will pay the day you die.
If you want your way of life take your asses back to your original country , fight for your own country and DEAL WITH YOUR people. You act like rats deserting a sinking ship! Stop running to other countries where it is safe ,until you bring your problems to our shores. Stop expecting everyone else to fight your battles, while you sit safely in our country using our services, our schools and our jobs. You bring your money here to get what you want and then you use it against us. SHAME ON YOU! IF YOU EVEN KNOW THE MEANING OF SHAME, which I doubt since you sacrifice children, even if they are your own. That proves you have to regard for human life or any other kind life.
Americans are not stupid, we do not believe your propaganda and we remember Hitler and the ignorant people who followed him. Also,the spawn of Satan, and no I am not of the Jewish faith. I don’t care who you pray to, as long as it’s not Satan, you can pray to a chair for all I care, because there is only one GOD he is just called by many names. HE is the only one to hear all prayers. Wake up! Look up, and ask for all the help we can get.
DO NOT INSULT THE PEOPLE WHO GAVE THEIR LIVES ON 9-11-2001
AND THE MANY MORE WHO HAVE FOLLWED IN THE NAME OF PEACE.
Thank God for United flight 93, those people were the epitome of GOOD! They gave their lives willing that day to save our country and they sit at the right hand of God, of that you can be sure.
My advise and consider it long and well…..DO NOT BETRAY AMERICA AND HER PEOPLE. One Nation under God, indivisible.
Americans stand strong, stand together, and back to back.
Also, to the people who want to be citzens of America. I know your game, you have told me to my face why you become citizens of America. So you can vote and put the people you want in our Government. While you hold dual citizenship
as a safety net.
P.S. Osama Bin Laden is not sitting in a cave in a desert.
He is American educated as is his family, he has money and private transportaion to travel anywhere at a moments notice. I am sure he finds it amusing if not down right hilarious to be in America when everyone else is playing “Where’s Waldo”.
Ignorance may be bliss in the short term, but in the long term it will prove to be destructive.
To those of you who have never opened a Bible to seriously study the teachings of Jesus Christ and have never compared those teachings with the teachings of Mohammad, I suggest you refrain from comment on either the Bible or the Koran – on Christianity or Islam.
I got about a third of the way through this and the screen got blurry. Then the speaker developed this toothbrush-sized moustache. Then I started hearing “Mein Kampf, Mein Kampf,” over and over again. I stopped at that point.
What is this guy saying, really, and does he really belong in Germany in the 1930s?
One of the benefits of a democracy is that it allows free speach.
Free speech gives Pat Condell the right to speak.
Unfortunately, free speech gives Pat Condell the right to speak.
As an American living in the Middle East for quite some time, I find this man is absolutely right on. I’m so embarrassed that my own country cannot stand up to this outrage. The naivity of “political correctness” has taken common sense out of the majority of so called US political leaders. They seem unable and unwilling to stand up for their country. This IS seen as weakness amongst Islamists. Let me assure you, they
are laughing big-time at the polite, culturally so-sensitive dumb Americans.
His description of America today, I’m so sorry very to say,
is astute & accurate. It feels like the beginning of the end.
All that needs to be said about this can be found at http://www.americagonestupid.com. Especially by clicking on the word “solution”. Anyone who thinks the mosque should be built is a traitor to America and should be shot.
Though a lot of people are thinking the same thought… I will put it into type and spell it out for anyone reading this –
In the event that simple human decency and sound, logical common sense NOT prevail in stopping this mosque from being built at it’s presently proposed site, one can almost rest assured that it will NOT remain standing for very long. That, most assuredly comes with a bulletproof guarantee! It will instantly become the central focal point and target of destruction. One really needn’t be a Sherlock Holmes to see that righteous vindication written on the wall!
Bravo Pat Condell!!
You have become my hero. We need someone like you in Canada.
What a slap in the face to erect a mosque anywhere in New York after what these people did. How soon the Americans forget September 11, 2010.
All of the immigration depts. across the world need to put a stop to the influx of these people being allowed to invade our countries, pleading asylum and living off of our tax dollars! They know before they land exactly how much money they are entitled to before they even land.
Why is it, we don’t have a say into where our tax dollars go? Any major expenditures that the powers that be, (that we voted in) plan on spending, should be put to a population vote, before spending large amounts of our monies. And why is that Canadians are not taken care of first!!!! Some of us have worked our whole lives and contributed to programs, that when needed, takes us 1-2 years or more to receive, yet when these immigrants come into this country, they get our monies, after not contributing a dime to our plans. No wonder the country is in such a mess.
CANADIANS, AMERICANS, ENGLISH NEED TO START SAYING NO AND STANDING UP FOR THEIR RIGHTS, AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT, BEFORE THEY KEEP GIVING OUR MONIES AWAY AND ALLOWING IMMIGRANTS TO ARRIVE IN OUR COUNTRIES AND TAKE OVER!!!!!
I agree with EVERYTHING Pat said & only wish I had made that speech. I love my country & it breaks my heart to see whats happening to it from the White House on down. How can we let such hateful, dangerous groups into our country, people who despise us & only wish to destroy America & our way of like, and do it undeer the guise of religion. These are very dangerous times. Our way of life can com tumbling down around us & those who are floating through life wearing blinders will wonder what happened. We are in a position where only God can help us now. It will be too late for us as Islamization creeps in at an ever growing pace. Their only desire is to take over America & the world. God help us.
This man has just put into words what millions of Canadians and Americans have been thinking and unable to put into words so eloquently as this man has done.Being politically correct is going to land us all in a pile of regrets.
Condell says that Islamic terrorists, rather than Saudi nationalists, who were members of a terrorist group, blew up the World Trade Center. I object strongly to the identification of these people as Muslims.
During WW11, Several Christian nations were responsible for the murder of 6,000,000 Jews as well as 6,000,000 other innocent members of unpopular groups–was this a Christian act? No, and we remember the 10,000 priests and nuns who died as a result of their protest against the barbarism of these nominally Christian murderers. These were people living up to the tenets of their religion…
A group of nominally Christian nations make up the Coalition that is responsible for the deaths of some 10, 000 innocent Iraqi civilians, and the displacement of millions of others. Is this a Christian act?
I live in Los Angeles, where nominally Christian gang members keep the inner city in a frightening grip of terror. But do we hear that they are Christian Terrorists? We do not.
Finally the gentleman states that the building of the mosque is the beginning of a takeover of the country? Really? In the years that Jews and Christians lived under Islam, mainly in Spain, the only penalty was that the temple or church not be higher than the local mosque, and a tax was also levied.
Spain’s anointed Christian rulers, on the other hand, after almost one thousand years of peaceful co existence, rid the land of both Islam- through warfare- and the Jews–who were expelled from Spain in the year 1492. Yes, you’re right, that’s the very year the New World was opening up .Clearly, someone was watching, and make no mistake, He’s watching now.
A group of nominally Christian nations make up the Coalition that is responsible for the deaths of some 10, 000 innocent Iraqi civilians, and the displacement of millions of others. Is this a Christian act? I
So some of you think this is unfair on Islam… maybe so, but why has Islam not been more vocal in its condemnation of the barbarism done in the name of that religion?? They even murder Sufis! What is it about this religion and its beliefs that makes it so susceptible to such backward behaviour?
At our church we have invited former Islamic terrorists (who have converted to Christianity) to speak to our community about Islam and their ideology. You notice I use the word “ideology” because that is the word these former terrorists use to desribe Islam. They do not describe Islam as a religion. (Read “Son of Hamas.”)
They are speaking out and endangering their lives to do so, to make us aware that Islam will hide behind our “freedom of religion” to get their foot in the door. In every mosque there is an imam. These former terrorists are apeaking out that the terrorist agenda of Islam is one that less than 50% of Muslims are aware of. Yet it is at the mosque where they were recruited in their homeland – and it goes on today – in the United States.
Our pastor invited these former terrorists to our church community so that we would know firsthand what is Islam as opposed to the Muslim people. He wanted us to continue to reach out to everyone, in Christ’s love. Our pastor has asked us to love the Muslim, the individual person.
When I recently asked him my concerns about the proposed building of a mosque at the twin towers site in New York and how should I pray he replied: “Always pray against darkness and for Jesus’s light to shine through believers.”
I hope and pray to Almighty God that He not withdraw His hand of protection and favor from America. I hope and pray for America to get on it’s knees and admit our mistakes in taking God out of everywhere He once reigned, especially our hearts. We have hardened our hearts towards God. America, ask for His forgiveness and turn to Him again. Then He from heaven will hear us. As my pastor said: Always pray against darkness (Islam included) and for Jesus’s light to shine through believers (believers in Christ Jesus).
The cry of my heart is that America stand with Israel. Look what happened in April when we did not support Israel – the next day the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico! Historically, every nation that has withdrawn it’s support from Israel (or the Jews) has lost it’s power. Biblically you can read for yourself how God feels about Israel (His chosen people, the Jews).
America, our greatness historically has been that, despite our many mistakes, we did not deny God nor His part in our country. Let’s return to Him so that America can stand. Bless God, America.
“Always pray against darkness and for Jesus’s light to shine through believers.”
Right on Cordell. I think we should make a counter proposal to the Saudies. Give us permission to build a 26 story Christian community center with swimming pool and all sorts of activity rooms. Well, oh, sure there would be room for worshippers, perhaps seating for 30,000 at any one service. And this large Christian community center would be built right smack in the downtown of Riyadh with a giant cross in front.
I agree with everything you have to say except…..
I don’t think they should build anything in the USA!!!! They bombed us remember…? Curious…? Maybe our hard earned tax dollars are at work and that is how they are going to build their mosque. We give these countries so much of our money every year. Are we are paying for these folks to build this mosque? Maybe we pay for their guns, maybe we are paying for the bullets that are used in these guns to kill our young men and women that serve our country. Well we are going to pay for their health care why not their mosque. I don’t like the idea of them building anything in the desert that I live by. It is hotter than hell here in the summer but if you let those murders build a mosque here it will be hell here. Send them home to build in their own country. We would never have allowed the people that bombed Pearl Harbor to build here. We sent them a present right after they bombed us. That is when the President of our country stood up for the country he loved. Now we have a President that sides with these murders. Amazing. Well we sure know now where his heart is. It is not with America.
Mary/Fountain Hills AZ
HELL NO!!! I don’t want them @ ground zero, I lived not far from there for 20 yrs & am now in AZ, DO NOT want them in the desert here~they have plenty of desert from whence they came, keep diggin yo’ stuff fight there where you are & stay!!! Have we all lost our minds here in the UNITED STATES of AMERICA & in Europe, this has become a plight/blight/horror~we need to WAKE the HELL up!!! This will be the end of our society & the world, but oh yes 2012 is so very close, just pray & be good so we can be at the right arm of God, as the end is nearer than we know!
Dear God in Heaven save us all please
Bravo Mr. Condell, bravo. This is making it’s rounds through the e-mails of Americans.
If we want this type of madness to end, we must declare in no uncertian terms that we will not re-elect or elect any person to political office who coddles to the very religious group who has declared war on us and our brothers and sisters in Christian countries! Vote them out send a clear message that we are at war and we want those we elect to stand and lead not raise a white flag or offer a olive branch to those who would force their religious views and intollerance for others on us.
VERY WELL SAID….. Thank You….
VERY WELL SAID… Thank You…
Wonderful video! Wonderful thoughts. He has more cajones that all of our PC politicians. Too bad that he can’t run for U.S.President (wait a minute…we do have Obama)…thena agin, I guess he CAN run for president. I see over 400 comments on his video that support his thought, then there’s B. Garrett. 399-to-1. I guess you lose, Garrett.
Mind your own business, Brit fuddy duddy. We have a Constitution to uphold-the one our forefathers forged after leaving the monarchy and winning the American Revolution.
Do I think the mosque is in bad taste? Perhaps. But painting all Muslims with a big bad broad brush for the despicable actions of extremists is like saying all Christians are murderers because of the likes of home grown terrorists like Randall Terry, who advocates the murders of physicians who perform abortions, which by the way is another right protected by our Constituiton.
The truth by Pat is the truth. The true definition of freedom is not only that we can do what we want, when we want, and how we want in the good old USA within stated boundaries. Oh, but there is one little freedom that outweighs all others and that is “the freedom to do what we aught to do not always what we want to do.” I have heard their rejection of hate and terror and deep in their eyes you can see lies they tell. With the vacancy rates in office bldgs there should be plenty of opportunities to build anywhere but there. This is misidentified social cast system calling itself a religion. It has no head. It is like a disease meandering around the world. We halt this disease now.
The insane, disgusting accusations that Muslims had anything to do with 9/11 is proof that the American mammal has achieved the lowest IQ possible and have allowed the media brainwashing from our British and Zionist masters to control our very thoughts. Any real formal investigation would prove without a doubt the 2 entities who gained from the attacks were Britain & Israel, along with every Zionist with for knowledge who bet in the market it would happen, Guilliani in particular. Silverstein and the neocon fascist continue their 9/11 brainwashing using their Zionist FOX NETWORK for those people unwilling to look evidence square in the face. If having an interview with the 8 supposed hijackers years after the attack doesn’t wake you up, your hopeless. Since you read this. When your day comes and you are naked in front of your creator you will have to defend your hatred of complete strangers, was based on nothing but here say. I never thought I would be embarrassed to be an American, but that day came after just looking at the FACTS from 9/11 and after the National Institute of Science & Technology(NIST) report was officially debunked, popular mechanics was trashed, the 9/11 commission fell apart from the top down, building 7 the third building collapsing without a plane, and our 8 hijackers coming back from the dead. This is the one false flag operation that will finally backfire on the Zionist complete control of our country. They got away with sinking the U.S.S. Liberty during the Johnson administration, but had to admit to their treason to the U.S. just recent.
Pat is on the mark with his comments. Maybe a question be asked on these wonderful believer of the true God. For every mosque they build in the western world a christian church needs to be built in a moslem country and priest/pastor must be allowed to preach openly without harrassments/attack. Also, our bible, which ever version is brought in must be protected as if it was their Koran/quran.
Let them prove they are a peaceful religion and not a bunch of two face liars.
thank you pat. political correctness is no match for islam which cares not for individual freedoms and has no place for tolerance whatsoever its teachings OR practices.
This absolutly breaks my heart, to think that as a child I didn’t have a care in the world and now I fear for my children and even greater fear for their children, because to be honest I really don’t think there will be another generation after my great grand children. Our world is dieing and it’s our fault, we are the ones killing it.
We are a lot like cancer, living off it’s host, until one day killing the host then we die as well.
What you are saying Pat, I back you 100%, I hope that what you are saying doesn’t fall on deaf ears, as I have always said, you don’t get heard unless you speak.
Good Luck to all humanity.
It appears your message is going viral. That’s a good name for it.
My hope is that the group you represent remains small, and your messages are interpreted as prejudicial by the majority of people who receive such messages, as I did, through e-mail.
Apart from not carrying out acts of violence, your position is no less dangerous than the small percentage of Moslims who are extremist.
From a moral standpoint: I hate no one unless and until an individual has hurt me or my family. Then I may hate that individual, but I will also try to forgive. There are good and evil individuals in every race and creed; it is our job as humans to discern between the two and affiliate ourselves accordingly. I am Christian and will not apologize for my personal beliefs … although I readily acknowledge that some Christians routinely embody the very antithesis of Christian doctrine. But the sad truth is, methinks neither God nor Allah (or any other Supreme Being) approves of the chaos and death that has been wreaked upon humanity in their names.
From a legal standpoint: If we do not tolerate the presence of a mosque at Ground Zero, who is to say that somewhere down an ever-narrowing road the presence of Christian places of worship will not be tolerated by those who would be offended? Have they not already “outlawed” the public observance of Christmas? Can you not see the inherent danger in attempting to remove everything that may be an affront to anyone else’s sensibilities? Soon, no one will be able to do anything lest they offend someone else. Is that really the America you want to live in?
In America, (and I am a fourth-generation American), one cannot have it both ways: the rights of some cannot be denied without setting a precedent to deny the similar rights of others. Our courts are already long set upon a path of enforcing the rights of some even whilst, in so doing, they are arbitrarily denying the rights of others. (Think: disallowing prayer in school and the right to say “under God” in our Pledge. Think: Affirmative Action laws.) Instead of allowing a moment of silence to pray if one desires (while non-believers doodle); or allowing those of faith to say “under God” (while non-believers remain silent during those two words); or allowing the public display of all religious symbols (which aetheists are welcome not to look at); or funding training and educational programs to even the playing field between the privileged and under-privileged (regardless of race), our Courts are legislating our Constitution, bit by bit, to extinction. And we have sat back, like sheeple, and allowed it … to our own detriment.
It is incumbant upon all Americans to remember the principals of freedom upon which this country was founded. Our laws and our Constitution are supposed to ensure equitable treatment and the safety of American citizens … not to coddle the sensibilities of every idiot who feels affronted because someone else doesn’t agree with his or her lifestyle or perspective.
Summary: America is not and should not be a stage for fear and hatred and divisiveness. The question of this mosque so close to Ground Zero must revolve solely on First Amendment rights, to protect all of us, whether or not some of us are offended by it on the basis of extremely (and I emphasis extremely) poor taste. To paraphrase Voltaire, I may not agree with what you believe, but I will defend to the death your right to believe it.
What is shameful is the misguided and perhaps even malicious insistence of its supporters that it be THERE … salt in the wounds of all who will forever (rightly or wrongly) associate the death of so many in the name of Allah. It epitomizes the height of insensitivity and disrespect. It will incite outrage and no doubt be a target for retribution and revenge … and America will continue to bleed.
No one could have put it appropriately as Pat Condell has done. Islam practiced by some are similar to Nazis, a SATANIC group. Any religion that practices in violence and killing of innocent people should not be allowed to propogate in this world.
There should not be any more mosque be built anywhere in this world and definitely not in N.York near Ground zero.
Let the people of N.York make sure that this will not happen.
Pat is speaking the truth , wake up America !
As a Canadian, we are told we are more tolerant and forgiving. America freedom of religion is important BUT the family profile out weighs religion. I have been following the mosque process, if they really have love for the many families that suffered a loss in 9/11 bless them and move on. Spend your money on helping others in recovery and distress.
Think about this for a moment,,,The German solider says I was not a follower of Hiter I did not want to go to war but yet instead of standing up againist Hitler they became soliders and killed us ,, how many of them died not for the cause but because of what one man said,,Muslins may not all be terrioist but they will follow what their religion says even if they don’t want too,,and part of that religion is killing,,,,think on it…this is not a religion but a following of hate that makes people turn againist anyone that does not believe as they do,,its about making women less than the animals in the fields,,its about killing those that dare to disagree,,,its about hate ,,,its about not allowing freedom to the masses,,,wake up america,,,my son is fighting for your freedom,,do not let him come back a failure,,let us vote for our choice ,,let the Muslins see true Americans at their best.
“… historically, some of the most shocking brutality in the region was justified by the Bible, not the Koran.
Crusaders massacred so many men, women and children in parts of Jerusalem that a Christian chronicler, Fulcher of Chartres, described an area ankle-deep in blood. While burning Jews alive, the crusaders sang, “Christ, We Adore Thee.”
Nicholas D. Kristof, a columnist for The Times
This man’s ignorance of the multi-millionaire Saudi’s, Osama bin Laden’s, role is astonishing. The brilliantly- alas- structured attack on the Twin Towers was his personal fanatical scheme after he perceived that America had made light of his team’s assistance in pushing Russia out of Afghanistan.Surely only a few dozen Muslim people even knew about his plan of attack. Certainly no Intelligence Unit in any country even whispered about a horror being unleashed. There are many millions of people of the Islamic religion in the world, going about their business. There are hundreds of thousands of Muslim-Americans going about their business in the USA as well, raising families, eating pizza and drinking Pepsi, playing baseball.When our last President’s regime formulated its attacks into the Middle East, well that changed things and INSPIRED those restless fundamentalist Muslims to get noisy about a “religious war”. But the savagery of 9/11 was a separate tragedy.
Well said – wish some of our politicos would speak that directly!
Well never ever has a truer, precise and informed statement been made about the whole debacle!!
What is the matter with the USA to allow this to be even considered??
Wake up and smell the coffee USA before this goes a whole way too far indeed!!
Why don’t we just have a big pork barbeque on the proposed site before building begins? Slaughter the swine on site in the night, bleed ‘em onto the ground and roast the night away! Maybe they’ll pick a different site…we could use more good barbeque all around NY anyway.
Sadly all religions are flawed, as is all humanity…
People are intrinsically cruel, and religion gives them a safety valve in that can act in ways that beggars belief under the auspices of whichever god they beleive in, be Christianity, Islam, Judaisim, or whatever. Where he or she such a caring , sharing higher power, do you not think he or she would ome on down to sort it all out once and for all, or is he or she that malevolent to just let us keep doing evil to each other? Ponder on that.
History repeats itself yet again:
Historians have studied the motivations for anti-Catholicism in the United States.