Pat Condell on Ground Zero mosque: "Is it possible to be astonished, but not surprised?"

Here's my visual response to the Ground Zero mosques....for starters

And bravo to Condell for saying it better than anyone has.

A master of no-nonsense directness, Pat Condell here has outdone himself. I hope this will be sent to everyone you know; if the email function at JW does not work properly to enable you to do so, find it at Youtube, then email the link. Everywhere.

Good 'ol Pat, I would expect no less than genius...

As always Pat Condell does a masterful job of seeing and expressing what it really and truly is.

Why we have people in charge of the decision making processes in America who run around like little post war Neville Chamberlains never ceases to amaze me.

The disgusting and disgraceful actions of the dhimmi-committee appointed to vote for this horrible insult to those who where brutally murdered on 9-11 in the worst attack on American soil should be strongly condemned and chastised for being sucked into this.

Through their collective ignorance on what has driven Islam for nearly 1,400 years, and their succumbing to the masterful taquiya charm offensive of the deceitful plans by the promoters of this Mosque, they have allowed for the Muslim equivalent of an American Aircraft Carrier to be built near this hollowed ground.

SHAME ON THEM A THOUSAND TIMES, FOR YOU ARE ENABLERS OF THOSE WHO WANT TO DESTROY AMERICA!!!

Pat makes an excellent point in that when the Muslims tried to build a mega-mosque in London an outraged public was able to put a halt to those plans. We can do the same thing with the Ground Zero mosque. New Yorkers in particular have to wake up and mount a nonstop nagging campaign aimed at shaking Bloomberg and the rest out of their complacency. If they realize that what they will get in reality if that mosque is built is a focal point for protests, legal action, and other time-and-money-consuming annoyances they may reconsider whether this is such a good idea after all.

It is not easy to get New Yorkers to do anything from June to the end of August that does not involve getting on the train or the LIE and heading east to the beaches every Friday. But the sooner and tigher we start winding them up, the better.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=why-is-palestine-8216a-second-cyprus8217-for-turks-2010-06-03

Guest - George7
2010-06-04 05:05:51
The Article Is A Masterpiece. However I may add P.M Erdogan has accepted President Ahmadinejad offer to take advantage of weak American administration and divide the oil rich Arab nations among themselves. To do so both countries need to rally the hate against west first among their own people than among the less fortunate Arabs. Iranian Press TV, Anti Israeli TV movies and Gaza Destined Aid Flotilla manned by jehadist are well-deserved investments.

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Pat knows how to deliver the goods...I want to see what defenderofIslam has to say about this...

The people building the mosque have the law on their side . What Americans should do is build something in the vicinity of the mosque which will piss muslims off real bad . Maybe a) museum dedicated to the atrocities that have been committed by muslims in the name of Islam or
b)build a Church which specializes in evangelizing muslims and which relentlessly points out the barbarous nature of Islam and its prophet
c)Get people to celebrate May 20th "Draw Mohammad Day " bang in front of the mosque
d) heck start a food joint which specializes in "pork based cuisine" and in order to promote brotherly love the joint should offer to do free deliveries to the mosque .

Some of you may like to check these guys out -

http://www.youtube.com/user/Acts17Apologetics

Pat is showing more American pride and independent spirit than most of New York's city officials who are mired in attempts to bring "diversity" and "tolerance" to that site of infamy, Ground Zero.

As Pat says, without Islam there would have been no Ground Zero.

The amazing gall of the mosque promoters is evidence of their complete lack of empathy. Their denial that their religion has any responsibility is sickening.

Pat's right: Enough is truly enough.

America, speak up.

Perfect. This American would like to send a big thank you to that Englishman, Pat Condell. Now, if only someday the US can produce a President (and Britain a Prime Minister and Germany a Chancellor and...) who will sum up Islam as Condell did here, Islam will then be on its way to being a goner in the West, as it so richly deserves to be since it is, in effect, spiritual fascism. There is nothing more evil than Islam and there is nothing more annoying (and dangerous) than dhimmified Western politicians and other elites. Islam continues as freedom's second greatest enemy and ignorance of Islam persists as freedom's greatest foe.

Pat,

Well done and spot-on.....I would not change a single word.

I dig this guy!!!

Hiding in plain sight. Too big to fail. Too scary to admit. Too outrageous to possibly be true.

*** 8:7 ***

It's all a 13-story tall green and black elephant hiding in the corner of our living room, too obvious to see.

*** 92:8 ***

It's not about political correctness, Pat. It's about Fictive Reality. This time the Islam Fictive Reality, the most pernicious and dangerous of them all.

Bosch Fawstin, awesome illustration and commentary. Thanks for coming up with that, which truly symbolizes the way we all ought to feel about mahoundianism's attempts to turn the entire West into a big version of Mogadishu with the Atlantic Ocean in the middle.

As for Condell's suggestion that Death Valley should be considered as a site, I understand the joke, but I think that that place, especially in winter, is too beautiful to be spoiled by a mahoundian temple of hate. The UN (United Arabs and Dipped-in-Camel-Dung-Arab-Sandal lickers) building is a much more appropriate place. Or perhaps a floating mosque in the middle of Hussein's Katrina, the BP oil spill.

Thanks for posting this Marisol.

Peace, and God bless the Kuffar.

I'll drink to that. Pat at his best. I also hope this mosque doesn't get built.

Hooray for Pat Condell !

"This is one insult too many!" -- Pat Condell

Spot on, Pat!

And I loved his idea of building a mosque in a more fitting location: the Arizona desert or in Death Valley, lol ...

Brilliant, Pat.

Mohammedans and their useful idiots are so proud of 9/11, their victory over the US (Great Satan), they spewed it once again in Israel's (Little Satan's) face:

Radio transmission, Mavi Marmara passengers to IDF:

“Shut up, go back to Auschwitz”
“We’re helping Arabs go against the US, don’t forget 9/11″

http://idfspokesperson.com/

I think I have a very good idea of where the money will come from to fund this mosque. Why our most wise and tolerant Obama government will use OUR tax dollars for this obscenity and call it a gesture of peaceful multicultural bi-lingual tolerance hogwash. Probably Saudi Arabia won't have to shell out a penny if things keep going the way they are. I certainly hope America and Europe and civilization everywhere wakes up to the Islamic invasion, keep on pushing people to become informed.

I LOVE THIS GUY!!!!!!!

I want a Pat Condell t-shirt!!!

Pat Condell always gets right to the heart of it with simplicity and brilliance.

Don't miss this hysterical music video from the awesome Caroline Glick (sung to "We Are the World"):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOGG_osOoVg

Sorry for the OT ...

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GAZA SHIP HOURS AWAY FROM ISRAEL'S EXCLUSION ZONE:

June 4, 2010

Israel: We don't want a confrontation with Gaza-bound ship 'Rachel Corrie'

By Barak Ravid and Haaretz Service:

Foreign Ministry issues a statement saying Israel has no desire to board the ship; MV Rachel Corrie to reach Israel exclusion zone within 24 hours, organizers say.

Israel does not want a confrontation with the Gaza-bound ship the MV Rachel Corrie, the Foreign Ministry said in a statement on Friday.

"We have no desire for a confrontation. We have no desire to board the ship. If the ship decides to sail the port of Ashdod, then we will ensure its safe arrival and will not board it," said the Foreign Ministry Director-General Yossi Gal.

The MV Rachel Corrie is headed directly for the Gaza Strip with hundreds of tons of humanitarian aid and is expected reach Israel's 20-mile exclusion zone within the next day, a spokesman for the pro-Palestinian group organizing the mission said on Friday.

"Israel is prepared to receive the ship and to offload its contents.After an inspection to ensure that no weapons and war materials are on board, we are prepared to deliver all of the goods to Gaza," the Foreign Ministry's statement read.

"Representative of the people on board and relevant NGOs are welcome to accompany the goods to the crossings. We will work with the UN and international organizations to ensure that all the goods are used for the benefit of the people of Gaza."

The Foreign Ministry's statement was issued following a discussion between the ministers of the forum of seven on Friday afternoon in Jerusalem. The statement seems to hint that Israel's attempts at coming to a resolution with the ship's passengers have reached a dead end.

According to a government source in Jerusalem, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu instructed the foreign ministry's director-general Yossi Gal to invite the foreign press and to issue the statement, in order to make Israel's stance perfectly clear to the ship's passengers and to the international community.

The MV Rachel Corrie had initially planned to reach the Gaza Strip sometime this week, despite an Israel Navy raid on the first six ships in the humanitarian aid convoy on Monday that left nine people dead and several more wounded.

Despite reports that the 1,200-ton ship was heading back to Ireland due to technical difficulties involving its two accompanying vessels, Free Gaza Movement spokeswoman Greta Berlin said the ship was on schedule and had no plans to stop in any port along the way.

Excerpt from:
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israel-we-don-t-want-a-confrontation-with-gaza-bound-ship-rachel-corrie-1.294173

As usual excellent stuff from Pat. I am a fan of his big time.

Did I hear that right "GOD bless Kaffer"? Pat, boy you are changing your life style a ted-bit.

Its real pleasure listening to him reason things out that most politicians can't even dream of.

Oh, Americans haven't *forgotten*, exactly—but oddly, the threat of Jihad—though growing—seems less and less a concern of many Americans in their day-to-day lives.

True enough, Graven.

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But the reason for this forgetfulness is what the American people have not been told, things like Wipe out Infidels to the last and I shall terrorize the Inifdels and None has the right to be worshiped but Allah and Killing Infidels is a small matter to us and Banu Khaybar and Banu Qurayza and the Moghul and all the rest of this squalid thing called Islam, with all its pernicious Moslems.

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We're flying blind because outside of this blog and a few others like it, nobody in this country knows what's coming. If they did know, our immigration policy would look very different, and the Moslems we've let into America would never have the temerity to propose a Saudi-funded Ground Zero Mosque, which may very well open its doors give out collective blindness.

It's people like Pat Condell and Bruce Fawstin who really make me believe that we've got a chance in countering and defeating Islamofascist propaganda(or is it propiganda?). It's become abundantly clear that freedom loving people have two enemies: The Left and the Islamofascists.

Bravo Pat!

I have e-mailed the YouTube link to a PC Idiot. So, not that it will do any good...but I did, just the same.

http://english.aljazeera.net/focus/2010/06/20106162847943928.html

Israel's 'friends' also to blame

just sharing, this is jihad watch... keep up the good work

Pat "give 'em hell" Condell.
Nice to see the Churchillian spirit can still be found in Britain.

I came across a you tube that also helped me in my understanding of what this "Mega-Mosque" might mean to Islam. I found myself agreeing with the narrator, and I found his views insightful. It was called "Of mosques and Men" or something to that effect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxFzFIDbKpg

Thank you for your patience.

Oh geez, the insane clown posse from the Newsmax University is back in the 9/11 trough and wants us to believe this is news. Who needs the new cow milking tech when you have labor like this...

USS Liberty survivor on board flotilla lives to tell about massacre...

http://www.military.com/news/article/liberty-survivor-aboard-gaza-flotilla.html

Israeli firm blockaded in Greece, shut down...

http://www.amherstdaily.com/Canada---World/Society/2010-06-04/article-1225136/Greek-activists-briefly-occupy-Israeli-firms-Athens-office-to-protest-Gaza-flotilla-attack/1

Israeli embassy blockaded in Ireland, shut down...

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/0604/breaking25.html

Israeli goods blocked by Swedish port workers, Swedish politicians debate sanctions...

http://libcom.org/news/swedish-port-workers-blockade-israeli-goods-03062010

http://sverigesradio.se/cgi-bin/international/nyhetssidor/artikel.asp?nyheter=1&programid=2054&artikel=3752313

Italian grocers boycott Israel...

http://www.kabobfest.com/2010/05/italian-grocers-boycott-israeli-products.html

Shekel plummets to record lows...

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-06-01/shekel-weakens-to-10-month-low-as-tensions-escalate-on-raid.html

Well look who's back! It's Jonathan! Could this be the SAME Jonathon who wouldn't answer my simple questions on another thread last night? It couldn't be, right? I mean THAT Jonathan would surely be embarrassed to have put his moral cowardice on public display!

Now that you've had all night and all today to think about it, Jonathan: Why do terrorists always shout, "Allahu Akbar?" Is it some kind of religious-thing? What religion, then? And here's a bonus-question for you, Jonathan: What did hijacker-"pilot" Ziad Jarrah shout on United Airlines Flight 93 when he crashed it on September 11, 2001? Take your time, Jonathan--I'll be around...

"Turkish flags were seen on city streets for the first time since the Ottoman Empire was defeated."

This is important.

For those of you who don't know, this is Bible prophesy in the works here, folks. It is happening, faster every day.

I wish I had time to read all these comments. The ones I did read are great.

Bravo Pat well said, but we in the US do not have public opinion anymore. The current keeper of 1600 makes all the rules and no matter what we think he "rams" it through.

The Libs seem to think they know it all but they seem to forget that history repeats itself.

Again BRAVO PAT.

Since Pat isnot than america by birth like me he doesnot know not even Robert Spencer can legal in court stop this mosque from being built and the mayor doesnot want to waste taxpayer money on than legal battle the city will lose in the courts and then pay the legal fee of the muslim.

I feel like boycotting goods from the countries who are joining in the Israel bashing. How stupid are they? Mind you, it does include the swedes!
Emails to said countries embassies - boycott and denouncing their stupidity.
Time to go on the attack.
Good old Pat Condell - maybe I'll send it to the above countries and also to obama, he badly needs an education.

Bosch, I think you just inspired my sign for the June 6 rally! "Can We Rebuild the WTC in Mecca?"

Wish Pat Condell could be with us Sunday. I would walk down to NYC just to watch him go toe-to-toe with some Muslim Brotherhood caveboy types.

Either Jonathan or his little gang of flying monkeys have been peddling the "USS Liberty" cant all over the blogs, and I swear one of them called it in to our local conservative talk radio yesterday. Surprised they haven't blamed the jooooos for the Titanic yet. Speaking of retronazi scum, is it too late to airlift Helen Thomas onto the Rachel Corrie? The IDF needs target practice.

To Robert Spencer:

I am an attorney in the Los Angeles area (from one of the most prominent Ivy League law schools) who strongly supports your efforts to educate the public about the facts regarding the threat posed by Islam to Western culture. I also strongly support your efforts to block the Ground Zero mosque. Here are my suggestions about how your effort regarding the mosque could be the most fruitful.

I saw a few minutes of Pam Geller’s appearance on HLN where she talked about the reasons she was objecting to the mosque. (I have to admit that I did not see most of her appearance, so my impressions could be mistaken.) However, I did not think that her approach was the most effective. Her focus seemed to be upon the need to be sensitive to the feelings of people who had lost friends or family members in the 9/11 attacks, and the fact that the attacks were done in the name of Islam. That approach (i.e. a feelings based approach) is not likely to be effective because the other side comes out with their own so-called feelings, namely the need to forgive, to open our hearts to those who are different, to be tolerant to others’ points of view, and to strengthen those who are trying to promote a peaceful Islam. With this mishmash of feelings, politically correct newscasters and spineless mayors (such as Bloomberg) jump on the side of those supporting the mosque. That is why there was a huge vote discrepancy in favor of allowing the mosque.

The correct approach in my opinion, which is much more likely to be effective, and which Mr. Spencer (and probably nobody else in the United States could use as effectively) could carry out easily is an approach of CROSS-EXAMINATION. I am not a real estate attorney, but I believe there must be some commission, city Council, zoning body, or some other government entity that is ultimately responsible to give approval for the construction of the mosque. I think Mr. Spencer (or a colleague of his who is a New York City resident, if that condition is necessary) should demand an opportunity to conduct a reasonable public cross examination (preferably on video) of the Imam who is behind the mosque as to exactly what documents and traditions he will draw from when preaching in the mosque. If the governing body refuses that request, it should be sued. If the request is granted, Mr. Spencer (perhaps working through his colleague) can make history because I believe that THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A THOROUGH CROSS EXAMINATION ON VIDEO OF SOMEBODY KNOWLEDGEABLE WHO PROFESSES TO SUPPORT ISLAM.

If the cross-examination is conducted, it should be as factual as possible and rely upon admissions by the Imam. Mr. Spencer should refrain from labels, adjectives, and feelings, and should try to minimize the number of assertions that Mr. Spencer himself makes. (The other side will always characterize Mr. Spencer as a liar regarding any assertions he makes.) I think that the Imam will be forced to admit that he will be preaching based upon the Koran, the Hadith, and the Sirah Rasul Allah. The Imam will also be forced to recognize some of the Hadith as being reliable and authoritative. Then Mr. Spencer can force the Imam to admit how many verses in the Koran support jihad, which hadith describe their prophet as beheading several hundred Jews, which ones describe him having sex with a child, which ones teach others to engage in deception, how many verses are supposedly peaceful, how many times the prophet raided the caravans of his enemies and captured their women as his personal sex slaves, etc.

With all of the key facts admitted by the Imam, Mr. Spencer can make the argument (which I think is the most powerful of all arguments available) that even if this particular Imam claims that he will be preaching a “peaceful Islam” the reality is that any future Imam could well preach a different version, or the people who listen to this Imam may feel that he is purposely leaving out important parts of the Islamic tradition of violence against the unbelievers. Then Mr. Spencer can ask why the taxpayers of New York should allow the construction of a building that will be tax exempt (instead of a commercial building which would provide much more revenue to New York) to build a center that will inevitably, with 100% probability, produce some individuals who will support violent actions against Americans. (As an example, Mr. Spencer can cite the Islamic center in Boston, which was supported by the governor, but which had strong ties to jihad.)

Please feel free to contact me if I can be of further assistance.

By the way, this comment was dictated on voice recognition software, so it may have grammatical errors.

Pat Condell rocks! He has this uncanny ability to deliver devastating truths about islam in a very precise and concise manner. In the free world, we need politicians with the kind of clear thinking that Pat shows.

Me thinks Jonathan the Nazi went to Hermann Goebel University,
Department of Propaganda Studies, but flunked and left early after just completing "Slander and Lies 101."

Warning ...

DO NOT click on any of the links that poster "Jonathan" has provided. Another poster on a different thread discovered that one of his links will harm your computer, and he's warned other posters there -- so of course I wanted to do the same here.

Robert, a cross examination of the immam who's going to be teaching at this travesty of a place is an excellent suggestion. Hurt feelings are irrelevant -- violent teachings are completely relevant.

Champ, thanks for that warning! I saw a similar warning on another thread here. Not sure why, but a little voice inside said, "Don't go to his links," so I didn't.
So glad I trusted my instincts! DuhSwami is so right about those mahound "bugs that jump!"

G

You're welcome Kim and George :)

This was an excellent presentation by Pat Condell.

have just sent this video to mayor Micael Bloomberg under the heading Security.
Contact him at
http://www.nyc.gov/portal/site/nycgov/menuitem.bd08ee7c7c1ffec87c4b36d501c789a0/index.jsp?doc_name=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nyc.gov%2Fhtml%2Fmail%2Fhtml%2Fmayor.html

I am reposting this comment from the cop killer thread. It's a gem.

Stonesriver1862 | June 4, 2010 5:47 PM | Reply
I had intended to post under the Condell video but this latest story also illustrates my point. Pat Condell did a great job of describing Islam and the whole purpose behind their triumphalist mosque. He also described the cowardice and weakness of NYC's politicians who support or refuse to oppose this monstrosity. Now we have pandering NY parole board freeing muslim NY City cop-killing Jihadists. You won't see residents of the City protest this and demand the ouster of a parole board that is routinely sympathetic to the most horrible of criminals. This one was done to pander to the muslim mob.

NYC residents fancy themselves tough and savvy. But in fact, and I have worked in NY on a daily basis for nearly 30 years. They are anything but tough, although they do talk a good game. They are weak, largely socialist whiners and complainers of the first water. They have allowed their government to effectively disarm them so that they are prey to the criminal element. The NYC citizens whine and want more police protection (which can never be enough short of having a police state) or they want more surveillance cameras. They love a tyrannical nanny mayor the defines what they can eat and how they should live. They largely have no backbone at all. Leftists illegally protest in NYC, the cops protect them and harrass and bully law abiding citizens who merely want unfettered access to walk the streets. The police will not enforce the laws against the violaters.

This mosque will happen because NYC is without question the most cowed and cowardly population of any major city on the planet. The City lacks pride, its mayor is a weak appeaser and Islam, being a system that loves submission, has found the perfect home. A city of millions that loves to be told what to do and how to do it. I am sure the three or four citizens of the City that are otherwise built of sterner stuff will object to this missive, so please, consider yourselves excluded.

Pat Condell, God Bless you!

If only everyone was so informed, we would stop giving aid to islamic countries and ban the "religion of peace."

With everyone I know, I spread the same (if not as articulate) message as Pat, and hope they do the same.

While the notion of getting the "Demonic Duo" of Rauf and Khan "on the witness stand" is fun to ponder, I think there are 2 chances for it:
slim and none.

Rauf wants no part of Mr. Spencer or anyone like him! He's on auto-pilot, gliding in for a nice soft landing at his "Cordoba House" mosque. Why would he allow himself to be shot-down in flames just short of the runway?
And the spineless local politicos are in his corner; they surely wouldn't arrange for any forum that might "insult" him or question his motives! If anyone even started on that course they would be summarily gavelled-down from the chair. The bad guys and the "good guys" are in lockstep to promote this travesty. And the rest of us? Just right-wing, extremist rabble, pushed aside or acknowledged only as a minor, unseemly annoyance.

The bottom-line to this is that it's offensive, tasteless and insulting. And, awful as that is, it appears we can't do a damned thing to stop it. This is how muslims gig our system and manipulate it to their foul ends. And, worse they do it with the unashamed support and assistance of our own officials, whose ignorance and obsequious desire to please is beyond comprehension.

I would love nothing more than to see the likes of Robert Spencer, Pamela Geller, Andrew McCarthy, go toe-to-toe with Rauf. And it may happen...but only with Rauf seated comfortably in his new 9/11 mosque...

Honestly, it makes want to cry in frustration...

veteranoutrage

Pat condell as always explains it just right..
Now i still think his viewpoints as an atheist are wrong
But he has EVERY RIGHT to express them..

I didn't see Christians going on a rampage
over the south park episode..
Nor did i see death threats against the animators..

So my point is while i don't agree with Pat Condell's
Aethist views
He has every right to express them

No doubt this will take a fight but I'll bet a bottle of Armenian Pomagranate Wine there will not be a mega-mosque on that site 9/11/2011....Any takers please?

Cheers!

http://www.armenianwine.com/nur_pomegranate-armenian_wine.html

Has anyone read this?

"De-Islamization program“ by German NGO

http://newscontainer.wordpress.com/2009/05/27/de-islamization-program-by-german-ngo/

All democratic states should follow suite!

To all American friends and New York infidels in particular: please don't be fooled into accepting whatever the so-called imam tells you about the project. The so-called cultural center will be all about slimey islam and nothing else.

islam has a history of building grand mosques in vanquished lands, particularly at a location where a symbol of conquered culture existed prior to an islamic invasion. In my country, islamic barbarian rulers destroyed literally thousands of Hindu and Buddhist temples and built mosques on those very sights to assert islamic supremacy. Let there be no doubt that they are trying to do the same in NY. The twin towers were a symbol of America's financial and business culture. The barbarians destroyed them and are now intent on building this mosque at or near that sight. This despicable islamic pattern continues . Trust me, these slimes will use your own laws to sabotage and destroy your culture. If your laws can't stop this insult to the 9/11 survivor families, public opinion and legal challenges on other matters can. I am sure infidels around the world will happily contribute to a legal fund set up by Robert or Pamella. You MUST STOP this symbol of false islamic supremacy.

Is America losing its mind? If you don't know Pat Condell you should and if you view this video you will. And furthermore if this does not resonate with any sane person in America, forget it.

Pretty soon at this rate there'll be a Muslim in the White House. Whoops! There does the neighbourhood!

That neighbourhood happens to be America and what is happening now should be fought tooth and nail. If we can collectively muster enough balls in London to resist a similar monstrosity, the US with its can do and fierce individuality should walk it.

In Islam symbolism counts. Unless the symbols are weighted their way they will rant and rave, just like children until they are. And that's without the added slaughter they seem so adept at.

Its not enough that Islam has re-emerged conquering and steam rolling a once modernising Middle East, they have to have it all and Ground Zero is a perfect storm for them. What better symbol of conquest than to raise the flag of Islam right on the spot they gratuitously killed three thousand on?

These points of attack are plain to see. A flotilla. The site of 9/11. London Olympics. Plus all the death cult outrages which decimates and destroys the innocent.

They are the obvious ones but how about the rest?

If this is built who cares about the rest? May as well pack it in and say come on in, the zam zam water's fine.

Champ says..."Ban this Jew hating troll, please ..."

Oh geez, Saturday morning coffee at Jihad Watch and Israel is throwing a temper tantrum and barricaded themselves in a room. Is there going to be a need for SWAT and ATF?

A comment to the Jew Hater [Troll] Jonathan, for someone who comes across as a Jew hater, you pick for yourself, for a reason you and God only know, a real deep prominent Jewish name, Jonathatn [Yonathan] the son of King Saul and the absolute best friend and supporter of King David, the Israeli king who God called in the Bible: "A man after my own heart", explain this?

Never click on links provided by Muslims or suspected Muslims...you can read their post by the words they write...that will tell you what they want to say....it doesn't take long to recognize a Muslim...even if they try to conceal their idenity....Have you ever noticed Muslims ofen have multiple names?...

And speaking of a slippery character, 'How are you this morning Jonathan? All rested up? Ready for another exciting day of posting crusty links?

The word is out, no one is going to click on them...So you're going to have to come up with something else...

I had posted a link to a you tube video earlier, now I see that some links can be dangerous to click on? So the one I saw and found interesting is called "Of Mosques and Men: Reflections on a Ground Zero Mosque"

You can type "of mosques and men" into the YouTube search field and it will take you to the video.

I believe the guy makes some valid points totally related to the mosque in New York subject.

Workers of New York Unite!!......union and non-union.........refuse to work on this disgusting mosque (in Arabic mosque is 'mehrab' meaning, "place of battle") near Ground Zero. Out of respect for your city, the victims of 9/11, your troops and Vets and your country. No workers, no mosque...................(readers: please pass this on and post on any and all websites. We can stop this insult)

Quiet man,

Thanks for that link. Another very eloquent argument against the mosque. It has some good points that serve to augment the case put by Pat.

Sure Kim, "mosk" works as well as "mosque" as the building still represents a launching pad for jihad whatever one chooses to call the threat

There are a few things in life that are prevented by law:

You can not yell "fire" in a crowded movie house. Why? because many people had died in fires and stampeding and someone said this cant be done. (sounds reasonable)

You can not talk about bombs and highjacking planes in airports. Why? because people have done these things and killed thousands of inocent people. (sounds reasonable)

Why would anyone, American or muslim or American muslim think that a mosque at ground zero would be a good thing? This is a no-brainer but unfortunatly the no brained people are running this country.

Kinana of Khaybar

Does your screen name reference the salughter of the Jews by Muhammad at Khaybar. A nice afternoons work I suspect. Thank you for correcting my Arabic although whether or not 'mosque' in Arabic is 'mehrab' or 'masjid' is vaguely interesting and I will accede to your superior knowledge of the tongue.....this is not the point. Do you accede that a mosque is a "place of battle"?

Three thoughts for this day:

If we desire to avoid insult, we must be able to repel it; if we desire to secure peace, one of the most powerful instruments of our rising prosperity, it must be known, that we are at all times ready for War.(George Washington)

There is no merit in putting off a war for a year if, when it comes, it is far worse or one much harder to win.(Winston Churchill)

We think that for a general to fight an enemy, it is important to know the enemy’s numbers, but still more important to know the enemy’s philosophy.(G. K. Chesterton)

This is a travesty in building a Mosque within stone's throw
from Ground Zero. I sincerely believe with some 2,300 mosques Already in the U.S. THIS, is an attempt to 'make a statement'by Muslims/Islamists. They are pushing for this, as it is what they do in 'staking out their mosques and agenda, by pushing it onto those, whom they feel 'they have
conquered.' It IS to prove a point definitely and it has nothing to do with Diversity and Understanding. If they were so concerned about those Americans that were killed by
THEIR people, they would open the REST of their mosques, to
PROVE there is no divisiveness going on. This is an "In Your Face" action. WE DON'T WANT THIS AND THE LAME BRAIN IDIOTS THAT APPROVED THIS, IS INFURIATING. STOP THIS NOW.

BTW: Excellent speech Mr.Condell. Just too bad Our OWN Politicos who are falling for this "Conquering Mosque" don't have the guts to Stand Up For America, and the 3,000 citizens that were Killed on 9/ll by the Radical Islamists who claim theirs', is a "religion of peace"....IT IS NOT.
IT IS A CULT, WHERE IT'S WOMEN ARE TREATED LIKE DOGS, AND THEY STILL MARRY OFF LITTLE GIRLS TO 'MOHAMMAD(The Pervert)
FOLLOWERS. DISGUSTING CULT, THAT STILL PRACTICES FGM-
FEMALE GENETALIA MUTILATION. NICE CULT, HUH?

In Urdu the word mehrab is used for arch. And q-t-l does not mean battle, it means slaughter or murder (take your pick). But by what ever name, a mosque is bad news for all sane and peaceful people.

In the sixteenth century a temple in Ayodhya signifying the birth place of the Hindu lord Rama was destroyed on the orders of the first Moghul king Babar, and an unspeakably ugly structure, the Babari masjid, was built on its site. In December 1996 a huge mob of Hindus tore down that excrescence and in a few hours it had disappeared completely. The world, as represented by the media, was shocked and horrified. Muslims, even supposedly secular and liberal ones, announced that their Religious-Feelings-Were-Hurt (TM). Dhimmi Hindus hastened to proclaim that their Heads-Hung-In-Shame (TM applied for).

Too bad the Americans can't muster up a good mob. Okay, okay, I'm not inciting mob violence, but isn't is remarkable how the Islamofascists operate within the law as long as it suits them, and break it quite brazenly when it suits them by saying that their religion sanctions it?

The Arabic word for "mosque" is masjid. In Hebrew, the word is "misgad," which is very similar in sound to the Arabic. In Hebrew, the word denotes "bending of the knee, prostration," the normative Muslim position during prayer. Due to the presence of common Semitic linguistic roots, I am going to assume that the Arabic word for mosque shares a common verb root with the Hebrew.

I appreciate Condell's association of Islam with Nazism, and his understanding that Islam is much more of a threat. At the end of the day, even Nazis were not prepared to face utter and total annhilation to realize their dream. Islamo-nazis, however, ARE ready. Nazism, for all its insanity, was a secular movement.

Please, don't even think of placing a mega-mosque in Death Valley. I enjoy riding my motorcycle there in November. Its scenery is breathtakingly beautiful, and it would be a huge sin to foul it up.

I wonder if our sorry-arse, quick to attribute blame, dhimmi Australian politicians take note of this film. When are we going to call a spade a spade and not dance around the truth until such time as we have devised another language describing atrocities that does not directly point the finger at those responsible. I just wonder if any of the world's atrocities could be attributed to Islam hum! ahhh! duh!
Bias and prejudice only come from a fear of that which has done you harm in the past.... oh dear, that means Islam has some explaining to do doesn't it.......
Get a good grip of reality and wake up you damn morons..... Islam and its strict adherence to the written word is the blame of most of the world's atrocities.....
It ain't bloody rocket science Fred.....

Lets hope Pat Condell now brings out a video about these Turkish-backed so-called 'humanitarians' who attacked Israeli soldiers, and the response of the Western media to it. it is true, Israel is the only country in the wworld wghose right to exist is undermined daily, starting from the White House via Tehran.

Lets hope Pat Condell now brings out a video about these Turkish-backed so-called 'humanitarians' who attacked Israeli soldiers, and the response of the Western media to it. It is true, Israel is the only country in the world whose right to exist is undermined daily, starting from the White House via Tehran.

That is, to be taken seriously by Islam critics, "[t]he connection would have to be canonical or at least a mainstream interpretation."

Re: mehrab and harb. It is common in the history of military fortifications in ancient and medieval times for forts to have the architectural feature of a "niche" (that pleasant word everyone translates for mehrab) -- the "niche" in forts having the function of an advantage point by which to repel attackers (and remember, children, not all "attackers" are offensive: some may be legitimately attacking a fort filled with evil dangerous people who themselves have been busy fomenting attacks outside the fort).

I think it's safe to say that the Islamic masjid (mosque) is simultaneously a military fort and a temple for the Islamic god, whereby the pseudo-religious fanaticism that governs all thought and emotion for Muslims is harnessed with an eye to the crucial focal point toward which all Islam points: War against non-Muslims in order for Muslims to conquer the Earth, in preparation for the Last Days.

Just because for 1,400 years Muslims have never gotten anywhere close to realizing that eschatopathological obsession (though they did manage for a while to subjugate an impressive amount of real estate in the first few centuries), and instead have spent their time fomenting fitna and fasad (when they are not frittering away their days and nights indulging the sordid half of their schizophrenic tension between Prudity and Crudity), does not mean that this crucial focal point is not the very heart of what is driving these demons.

What has happened to the United States? We allow countries like Iran, North Korea,and most of the Muslim world to do and say what ever they want. With a Muslim administration in Washington, they are leting them spread their hatred around the world. Muslims hate everyone. Jews, Christians, Black,and every other ethnic group around the world. It is time the world sent them packing. It seems Australia is the only country that tells them to get lost.I believe it was last year a muslim beheaded either his wife or daughter for being Americanized. Why wasnt this Muslim put on trial and then executed? Lets wake up. Its time to muster our strengths and fight back. Obooma, has done nothing to protect our country from the Muslims who hate the world. Its time to open our eyes and ears. Remember when Obooma said that he was going to visit all 57 states?
Guess how many states there are in Islam?

This is a disgrace and must not be approved. We have to take a strong position againest Moslems who want to "be in our face". No mosque at Ground Zero.

Hey America: It's time to stop your cowering before the sword of Islam!!!!

Pat Condell has chosen his words well. These words should be heeded by all citizens of the United States, many of whom seem anxious to eject their national sovereignty for the pitiful delusion of safety which will never be met because the Muslims they are cowering before will see to it that those Americans who will never be spared the sword of Islam. Safety from Islam's brutality cannot be bought by non-Muslims from Muslims at any price (a lesson to be learned in Bloomberg's leftwing Twilight ZOne").

I am neither surprised or astonished that here is a mosque going up at the site of 9-11. I am livid beyond description. I am also in a state of total horror.

The ONLY good news on the horizon is that the "Progressive" politicians who have been making this Islamic obnoxiousness possible are on the brink of being voted out. Obama will not directly be affected, but once the Demo(c)rats and "RINOs" lose their majority in the US Congress Obama will no longer have the line of defense against prosecution and impeachment proeccedings that as a treasonous stealth Muslim he has coming to him. After November we can recover our sovereignty, sanity, and, we hope, our nation.

I'd like to endorse everything Pat said and then some. The sooner Americans realize how deadly the threat to them, their culture and their country, the sooner they will avoid the fate that seems to be heading towards Europe and their gutless politicians. Way to go Pat.

I couldn't say it more eloquently. I also wish I had said it first. God Bless America!!

This is a statement that is eloquently presented. I only wish that I had brought it to everyone first.
God Bless America!!

This is TOTALLY unacceptable!! NO way, it would be a disgrace to all of American man kind, living and the dead. We fought many a battle and never gave in,and we shall stand tall and fight these back stabbing ridicules gesture on putting this building on ground zero where these same inhumane minded people want us ALL dead!! Just makes NO sense.This is our country, this is OUR land fought and paid for by our BLOOD!! It's time for us to come together and PROTEST!! NOW!!--911 was people of all nations that fell, their lives were taken away from these same minded people, that even our home grown people such as(politicians,money,& greed)say lets do it!! Well I say NO!!

Very well said! I wish the politicians wake up and prevent this mosque construction..

-Sreeni

"People of all faiths and homelands are divided into reasonable and unreasonable people. All that I wish and pray to God for is that the reasonable people would outnumber the fools."

Far from being a "Union Guy" myself, I can see an opening for the Unions in NYC to exercise their collective might to right this wrong. In no way can this monstrosity be built without the construction trades. The politicians in NYC only inderstand one thing - that's money and support. If the Union Members stand together and refuse to support any candidate who supports this abomination, it will get the message across. Also, as all construction in NYC happens only with the cooperation and participation of the Unions, I see an opening for them to finally stand together for something much more meaningful that wages increases. It won't be built if nobody builds it!

How awful to think of this placement. People are so busy taking sides . . .liberal/conservative, etc.that they don't notice what is going on. The Muslimization of Europe. I am a moderate and proud of it but also frightened for my country. The Decline and Fall of the American Empire is happening before my eyes. And I can do nothing. Such frustration.

I hope many people watch this and other items on this subject. Read how European countries are being taken over and hope our politicians wake up and stop it in its tracks here.

Rita Cross, New Jersey

I do not support any organization that teaches us to love one another as long as we are in agreement with them. The logic of this video leads one to conclude that Christian religions should not build structures anywhere near where human abuses have happened in the past because Nazi's could not have existed without the support and protection of Christian religions. Islam or any other religion is not the cause of hate. Human fanatics hiding behind religion are the real enemies.

From Balderitis in Socialist Oregon
I was energized by the wonderfully articulated comments
that Pat Condell was willing to share! HOOORAYYY!!!!

I'm truly afraid that there won't be any elections
in November because Premier Obastard will declare
Martial law and suspend all activity that goes against
his facist goals.....
I will be sending this e-mail on to
every person on my mailing list regardless of whether they are Right, Leftie or somewhere in the middle....

GOD BLESS ( HELP ) AMERICA II Chron. 7:14
" If my people, who are called by My name...."

Can I get (e-mailed to me) a text version of Pat Condell's speech so that it can be printed. If snyone has one or can get it please e-mail me at kenceresne@hotmail.com

Has anyone considered starting a boycott of NYC similiar to the one that was started against Arizona. At least this is a just cause. When the people of New York realize how much this would hurt them economically, they will be camping on the doorsteps of the Mayor's mansion and every commissioner's office and house until they revoke the permit. Believe me, I would do it in a heartbeat if I knew how to do it. If someone does start one, I will be one of the first to sign and then forward it to the 192 persons I have on my contact lists.

Did i hear my ears correctly ? The Muslims want to build a mosque in New York city at ground zero ? Who what where when why and how did they even get as far as they did in this process, what is wrong with us ? they are not even suppose to be on our soil ! someone is not doing there job ! Wake up America !!!!

Of course America has lost its mind, look who the majority of us voted in as president - a Muslim! The rest of us saw it coming a long time ago. It started by taking prayer out of our schools, then moved on to abortion and has all but taken over our churches (sound familiar?) with everything from the Emergent Church Movement to New Age - God forbid was has happened to the church. Then again, we Christians are the church. So now we choose to meet in our homes and in the 1 in 100 churches that still preach the truth rather than trying to make everyone feel good and entertained. I was a member of one of the largest churches in the US until I found out that the pastors other ministry purchased him a 40 million dollar jet to fly around on. He's not even one of those who has been exposed yet. Jesus only owned the clothes and the sandels that he wore and I'm sure today that he wouldn't have purchased a Lear Jet. If He had approved of such extravagance he would have ridden around on the fastest chariot that money could buy. God help us please!

Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life. No one enters unto the Father except through Him!

Of course America has lost its mind, look who the majority of us voted in as president - a Muslim! The rest of us saw it coming a long time ago. It started by taking prayer out of our schools, then moved on to abortion and has all but taken over our churches (sound familiar?) with everything from the Emergent Church Movement to New Age - God forbid was has happened to the church. Then again, we Christians are the church. So now we choose to meet in our homes and in the 1 in 100 churches that still preach the truth rather than trying to make everyone feel good and entertained. I was a member of one of the largest churches in the US until I found out that the pastors other ministry purchased him a 40 million dollar jet to fly around on. He's not even one of those who has been exposed yet. Jesus only owned the clothes and the sandels that he wore and I'm sure today that he wouldn't have purchased a Lear Jet. If He had approved of such extravagance he would have ridden around on the fastest chariot that money could buy. God help us please!

Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life. No one enters unto the Father except through Him!

I do not know what is wrong with this country, Mr. Pat Condell has very accurately stated the case of idiocy in the US Elect. My wife and I are survivors of the 1993 bombing and the 911 Holocaust - It seems that the "Politically Correct Spineless Self-centered Socialist Demogogues" who are currently in power in both parties, patronizing all of America's minority groups and sticking it to the the working class people and who are supporting the current peace and pacification of everyone in the world at any cost are forcing the local Sleeping Giant, the silent majority, to be aroused - and they are in for a rude awakening...not only will they be voted out of office, moving us to the US to the extreme right(Isolationism)...a third and even a 4th real conservative political party will arise from these horrible ashes to restore the battered but true constitution to it's original intent and put our country back on track ans back to super power status (we are sliding down fast to becoming a 4th rate nation - just look at our healthcare situation...Long Live America...Love it or leave it...Islam waits...

Great article; rang the inventory bell of Mosques being built on other religions churches and temples. (though Christians have done this occasionally; Mexico, Sacred groves in the UK)

The Turkish president attacks Israels commando inspection of their ships. Mr. Istanbulls**t needs a history lesson how the Turks butchered Christians in the city they founded (Constantinople) IN their churches then turned them into Mosques. The Israelis, in contrast, did NOT butcher Muslims in the mosque the muslims built atop the Jewish Temple.

In fairness, Jews returning to Palestine is like Norwegian Neo-Vikings returning to Labrador and kicking all the Canadians out of their houses, and keeping them locked up in PEI under heavy guard. Helen Thomas' point; no free speech for you Helen. No press freedom either I guess.

Washington advised us to avoid foreign entanglements. Father knows best.

For all you Divinely inspired warriors out there, please let "God" speak for Himself. He's going to get annoyed if you keep treating Him like an idiot.

There are schools in Nigeria that actually teach you how to take advantage of the British/European welfare systems; not how to navigate, but abuse the system. The West is SO naive; it has no idea how much the rest of the World's jealousy creates really profound (and cleverly hidden) hatred.

Try building a church in Saudi Arabia. Please post that video.

As Usual, whenever there is a topic that concerns those Jihadi murdering Islamists some fool has to bring in the subject of Gaza or the Jews as if this has a baring on why 9/11 happened. In this case Van Grungy introduces an item from Al Jazeera, of all people, that blames the US and Israel. If you read the article he has introduced it is clear the author, supposedly a professor, has never been to Gaza. If he had been he would have seen the 5 star restaurants, the food shops stuffed with food, the street stall filled with produce yet he writes of the poverty and hardship. I assure, and I have visited many times, none of this exists. Just for the record, it was only a few years ago when the crossings were open and Gazans made daily jouneys into Israel. Why? Because Israel gave them jobs and money. Why were the crossings closed? Because some of those that entered carried into Jerusalem bombs and explosives and killed and mamed hundreds of innocent civilians women, children. In any case does this alleged professor and Grungy really believe that if Gaza was "open" the Islamists would no longer kill and maim around the world?

Indian Tiger wrote "Islam has a history of building grand mosques in vanquished lands, particularly at a location where a symbol of conquered culture existed prior to an islamic invasion". There is nothing more evident of that than the Mosque they built in Jerusalem on the top of the Second Jewish Temple which was destroyed during the Roman Siege of Jerusalem in 70 CE.

I would have to agree with everything that has been said in Pat's video.

THE REAL QUESTION IS HOW DO WE STOP IT BEFORE IT HAPPENS.
AMERICANS, WE THE PEOPLE, NEW YORKERS, A CALL TO ACTION IN PROTEST IS NEEDED.

Send letters to the Mayor, talk about it, write about it, be heard.

I was completely dumbfounded when I heard about this planned affront to the Victims of 9/11, and even more so when I actually heard the words uttered by New York politicians, and even residents; Talk about dimmi...! The warm fuzzy these liberal left ignorant PC slaves got from the announcement would make any True Red Blooded American cringe... Of course they intend on staking a claim on the Sacred Ground of the Towers, it can be nothing else... A "cultural center" talk about stealth jihad, who in their right mind with bombings, VBIED's and the constant fire our Troops face EVERY DAY, could Any American accept this insult. Pat Condell's take is spot on, and included a bit of history I didn't connect regarding Spain, and its link to the purposed building name. Conquered territory in deed... Like HELL. The first damn thing these animals do is put up a minaret & a mosque once they get gone cleaning their swords. Never, I say Never should these animals be allowed anywhere near Ground Zero, and Pat had a wonderful idea: "Death Valley" would be appropreate... Then lets see if the ACLU complains about their "Emblem" being located in a National Park...! I'm going to send this video to any and all True Americans I know.... the word has to be gotten out before the dimmi in NYC allow this to go one brick further.

I wish more people were to able to understand that the Islamification of our world is unacceptable especially as it is even an offence to own a bible in some muslim countries and to build a christian church in say soudi-arabia would be a real ask? It is about time the world heard more from the likes of Pat Condell.
It is not religious or racial intollerence to find Islam unacceptable but the fact that these people have no tollerance for us or our beliefs and that their aim is eventual takeover of our countries by migration and multiplication at a far greater rate than us. When they eventually take over I doubt they will show us the same tollerence and acceptanve we show them now.

Pat Condell has said what our whimpy politicians were afraid to say. Standing up for America is not politically correct in our present government. Our elected officials are more concerned about offending those who come here with hate in their guts for the American people than to protect their homeland. Thank you Mr. Condell for telling it like it is. I only wish that those we placed in Washington to represent us open their eyes to the threat we are all facing here in America.

I am not a Jew, but I think I will support them by eating some Hebrew Nationals.

Very important message.
I would only add, "Think MONEY."
Those "public servants" who SUPPORT and/or have taken official positions in favor of this horrendously offensive project very likely have fat offshore accounts, now, thanks to Islamists.
Western Civil Democratic Society is founded on the notion that "The Church" is not "The Ruling State" -- that the INDIVIDUAL is the proper seat of all possible LIBERTY that can be exercised without compromising the LIBERTY of other individuals.
Islam is founded on the diametrically opposite notion that THE CHURCH RULES ALL, TOTALLY AND ABSOLUTELY!
Is that what we REALLY WANT?
It IS what we will get, if good men and women aren't willing to take a stand against the encroachment of such totalitarianism of "THE CHRUCH" and against the corruption of so-called public servants who are so delighted to sell out our future.

Marsan
It was interesting to see and hear the comments of Mr. Condell. It was more than interesting, it was worth more than I could ever pay to see and hear. He was on spot and right in everything he said.
Great dialogue Mr. Condell. Say more.

As per his norm..............brilliant Pat

This is page where he has posted some of his VERY POLITE !!!! (not) comments.......so much for the religion of peace!!

http://www.patcondell.net/page4/page4.html

Seriously though, Brigitte Gabriel has a petition running at present, to stop the building of this insult to the memory of those who were slaughtered in the name of islam . I ( will not use a capital letter for its name)

http://tool.donation-net.net/public/ACT4A/entrance/enter.cfm?dn=1097&source=2013&id=26713&commid=28503900&CFID=8463747&CFTOKEN=18978461

Time for you yanks to wake that sleeping Giant again!!!!
Barney
Tassie

Good luck fighting terrorism with hatred. Destroying countries to hit on a small army of terrorists has proven not to be very productive. How many wars before we realise that we cannot dictate the entire world our 'superior' way of life. Why don't we learn from history, and why does our fear makes us believe people can be murdered for a good cause.

Xenophobic nonsense. If you think it was ok to build a church near the Branch Davidian compound after that tragedy, then you should have no problem with a mosque standing near Ground Zero.

Bastardized versions of Christianity AND Islam led to the slaughter of innocents.

Don't be a hypocrite, Pat + followers!

In my view, Pat is totally on point. The major problem that I see with this religion is that it teaches the most extreme measures. It fails to point out one major thing. In this world you only have one thing and that is your life. If you have no regard for the only possession that you have in this world, then you are beyond help. How ignorant is it to teach, a young person about hate, violence, 40 virgins and all the wine you can drink? It truly is sad and beyond ignorance.
I remember once hearing the Pope in Rome saying: "give me a child until he is 6 years old and I will give you back a finished product". It all starts with family values, homelife and something to believe in that is good. Until that occurs in the religions that breed and teach hate, we are all at risk. Therefore as a starting point, I think the political leaders who are endorsing this building in Lower New York City should take a walk thru one of the countless National Cemeteries and stroll thru the endless white stones that carry the names of those who gave their only worldly possession (their lives) to maintain the freedom and way of life we enjoy. The building of a mosque is a direct insult of the higest form to those who died for the United States of America, including but not limited to those who died on 9/11.
Hopefully, common sense will take hold and the politicians that "WE" voted into office will realize what they are about to endorse. If this building is allowed at that site, it is another stepping stone to the bridge to conquer America.
God Bless America and every American.

Now waaa-aaait a minnn-nnnute...

Gen. McChrystal has built dozens of (christian) churches, synogogues, and other structures of islamic blasphemy in Afghanistan and Iraq for our so wonderful, invading troops of course.

Why would Pat expect any different treatment for us from Islamists?

Hypocrites, all of you. Yes -- you!!!

This is a true statement and i believe most of us in the western world think this way but are scared to openly admit for fear of persecution.Political correctness is not in our best interests all the time,to often starting something is wrong draws criticism as being racist or anti religion. My views are that any race or religion that causes the demoralization of victims of a terrorist attack by building their temple so close to such a site that was destroyed in the name of their god ,has no place in north America.

Hey Pat, What makes you think we want a friggin mosque in Arizona ??? We've already stepped up to the plate in attempting to get rid of illegals.......Maybe NYC should wake up and get rid of their liberal millionaire politicians and take back that city before they start praying to allah every 1/2 hour.....get off your ass America while your still able....
PS: Don't think you want to start messing with the Arizona desert...be advised we don't care for camels or those who ride them !!!

My hat is off to Pat Condell, and I think that this video is brilliant! It should be shown to everyone, in this country and around the world. HOW DARE THEY EVEN CONSIDER SUCH A THING! Building a mosque at Ground Zero is not only in very, very poor taste, IT IS AN OUTRAGE! WHAT IS GOING THROUGH THE MINDS OF THE LEADERS OF NEW YORK CITY, AND STATE? WAKE UP MAYOR BLOOMBERG, and GOVERNOR PATTERSON!! This is the very religion that was responsible for the distruction of the World Trade Center, and the loss of 3,000 lives in that tragedy! To put a mosque near that site, or anywhere in New York City, is an INSULT to the people of New York, and of this country! WAKE UP AMERICA! We cannot allow this to continue!!

Thank you for being sane

All Muslims are terrorists.

All Americans are massively overweight, Nascar watching, hillbilly, no toothed, trailer park, illiterate, malodorous, welfare recipient, unemployed, divorced, crack addicted, gun toting, war mongering, Catholic right wing Jerry Springer guests.

Man, those Muslims in their temples - the NERVE of them to pray in our country. And all you other nuts who don't believe in George Bush's god...shame on YOU. Jesus is going to come back any day now and make sure no mosque gets built at ground zero - Chuck Norris will be with him so WATCH OUT.

Perhaps it is time to send a message of our own as Americans. Vote out all the present incumbents up for election this year no matter who they are and let those who are elected know that their job can continue only if they do what is good for America and not themselves. Imagine what would happen if members of the entire House of Representatives were defeated. Hmmm, makes one wonder doesn't it? By the way this is within our constitutional rights to for vote any qualified candidate that is running for office.

Well,
God bless Pat Condell.

After reading many of the comments, I feel like I am back in "1700 something" fighting like a "Minuteman" to keep this country free. The government posts at that time were unpaid positions. It was work but not a job. Where do politicians get the audacity to want to be paid for the work that they are supposed to be volunteering for?

Next, I personally will place an American flag at the top of the mosque, remove it and another one will appear once again.

Perhaps someone could place a "bug" in the mosque to monotor their meetings. What flag do they give allegiance to? They might be caught and tried for sedition.

But, this would be stooping to conquer and that lowers ones dignity not to meantion invasion of privacy laws.
What can Christian Americans do?

America has always been a country of Christians as an unwritten law, just like England has many unwritten laws that are enforced through their lifestyles. You Brits know what I am referring to!

If Islamics want a mosque, let them conform to the unwritten laws of America by showing proper respect to the many human beings the members of their cult killed. No mosques within so many miles of any place that would convey to any Islamic a sense of having conquered America. This should be made into law STAT. Come on you law makers. Move it.

During World War II those German Americans who fully supported America had to stop speaking German. They were not allowed to speak German! All of the Japaneese Americans who believed in America were forced into prisions. No doubt the Japaneese had to speak only English also. Many years later I had the chance to learn German in school, but was told that I was too stupid. Imagine, my own ethnic nationality was denied me in order to be American. My grandmother did not teach me German and what she knew she gradually forgot. It means that we were denied jobs in fields where our specialized knowledge would have been an advantage. (eg. U.N., telephone companies)

Let's learn from the politics of our own history.

#1. Force Islamics to speak only English.
It is the language of America.
#2. All Islamic-Americans should be put into prisions until this "WAR on terrorists" is over.

Either we will see a lot of converts to Christianity or a lot of Islamics leaving America. Maybe even both.

We are not at war against a certain country,
we are at war against people that destroy life,
the lives of others, and our freedom to live life and pursue happiness without harming others.

One has to wonder what kind of Americans raise up their children to commit acts of cruelty to animals and people. If you see or know of anyone who treats animials with malice, be fore warned that the next step in cruelty is to human beings. This sinister life style must be stopped.

God bless America.
The God of Moses, The One God, The Only God, The God of the Trinity-Father, Son & Holy Spirit, bless all human beings everywhere and keep them from insanity.

Linda

PS.
Forgive my spelling errors, I had a dyslexic moment and forgot to spell check before sending.
Linda

It is very hard to believe that a religion of 1.58 billion people, 2nd largest in the world are all bound on destroying the rest of us! There are Extremists in every religion (just look at the tea bag followers of Sarah Palin, Evangelical). I despite their reasons, they should understand that they will upset people, so just leave it alone.

This guy, Condell, had me but then lost me within the 1st minute of his inaccuracy-filled, self-righteous tirade.

The fact is, Pat Condell IS WRONG when he says that the Islam "religion killed nearly 3000 people" on 9/11. The "religion" of Islam killed NO ONE. To say that would be analogous to saying that Baptists (Christianity) blew-up the Murrah building in 1995.

However, even if you still want to subscribe to Condell's point-of-view, wouldn't it be more Christ-like and safer to reach-out to any group that wishes us harm?! It seems that offering an olive branch does much less to stir the hatred of our enemies then does, say, killing MILLIONS of their civilians.

* LASTLY, I don't recall "freedom of religion" being removed from the Constitution recently... did I miss something?
JWOL

Oh, PamB, "hard to believe" is it?? Where have you been?? Have you not heard Ahmadinejad's rantings? Or, try looking at it this another way: if only, say, 5% of Muslims are "extremists," how many of them is that who want to destroy us?
And, please, stop getting all your "news" from HuffingtonPost.com!! You probably haven't been to a Tea Party rally to see the diversity on display there - yes, even non-believers and agnostics attend!! The movement isn't about religion - it is about preserving the values of America that have sustained liberty and freedom.
So, you're in favor of leaving people alone to assure that we don't upset them . . . and just what do you fear in upsetting them?? Hmm-m-m, better give some serious consideration to the personal values underlying your position. What exactly do you stand for?? What are the ironclad values that guide your judgement and decision-making?
No, no, don't start typing! THINK!!

This insult is akin to raising a statue of Hitler at the gates of Buchenwald.

Condell makes an entertaining point. As a stand up comedian and critic of all organized religion, he is good at that. But I think he misses the real outrage here. This mosque, or Islamic community center, is being built with our money -- our oil dollars, to be precise. The Muslims are able to buy such expensive Manhattan real estate, and build huge buildings on it, only because we are spending billions of dollars every year to buy oil from despotic regimes that
stay in power only by co-opting their extreme Islamic religious leaders. The U.S. has about 5% of the world's population but consumes almost 25% of its oil. And less than 40% of our oil consumption comes from U.S. wells. Even if we drilled more deep water wells like the one currently fouling the Gulf of Mexico, we would not provide more than 50% of our own oil consumption.
If you really want to do something about the spread of Islamo-fascism, start by cutting back on oil consumption. Buy an electric or hybrid car. Support development of alternative fuels, including construction of nuclear power plants (and don't be a NIMBY - "not in my back yard"). France gets most of its electricity from nuclear power and manages to safely dispose of its waste without incident. And if you are really serious about sending a message to the petro-oligarchs, support the $1/gallon gasoline "patriot" tax, like New York Times columnist Tom Friedman has been advocating (see
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/19/opinion/19friedman.html). With this tax, we could send a political message to the oil companies, we could reduce our production of greenhouse gases and reduce our federal budget deficits. As far as
I am concerned, this is an environmental, economic, and national security necessity.

There were a few in support of having the mosque. One in particular call those against the Muslims, the Mosque, "racists"
Here's my take on that. I received an email that was sent to me from
a friend via a friend of his. It was a picture doctored up of Obama looking like
a white person. The question over the picture was" Do you like Obama now"?
At the bottom it said "If you still don't like him I guess you're not a racists".

I had to tell you that to tell you this. I don't care if these people are black,
white, yellow, brown or sky-blue-pink . I don't like them. I don't trust them,
I don't want them any closer to me than half way around the world.

Mohammad was a warrior, a murderer, he did not tolerate anybody who
disagreed with him. Mohammad was a bully. His followers called him Ali
His followers said he was a prophet. That's nice! Who made him a prophet,
Satin? Mohammad showed up 600 AD . Six hundred years after Christ.
Define the love of God and try to apply it to Islam, to the Muslims.
Start with Trust, they trust nobody that's not a Muslim.
If you support these people and your not a Muslim, you have no idea, no concept what makes these people tick.

There were a few in support of having the mosque. One in particular call those against the Muslims, the Mosque, "racists"
Here's my take on that. I received an email that was sent to me from
a friend via a friend of his. It was a picture doctored up of Obama looking like
a white person. The question over the picture was" Do you like Obama now"?
At the bottom it said "If you still don't like him I guess you're not a racists".

I had to tell you that to tell you this. I don't care if these people are black,
white, yellow, brown or sky-blue-pink . I don't like them. I don't trust them,
I don't want them any closer to me than half way around the world.

Mohammad was a warrior, a murderer, he did not tolerate anybody who
disagreed with him. Mohammad was a bully. His followers called him Ali
His followers said he was a prophet. That's nice! Who made him a prophet,
Satin? Mohammad showed up 600 AD . Six hundred years after Christ.
Define the love of God and try to apply it to Islam, to the Muslims.
Start with Trust, they trust nobody that's not a Muslim.
If you support these people and your not a Muslim, you have no idea, no concept what makes these people tick.

I cannot believe a m,an who spits so much vile crap has a folllowing, he is utter scum and the rest of you who support him aren't much better

In view of the tragedy which took place at Ground 0 and the subsequent pain and suffering still being felt by those who survived that horrendous scenario.How could Politicians be so insensitive to both the physical and emotional wounds of those survivors!!!
Abraham Lincoln said "A Government is to be for the people by the People" Why don´t the politicians carry out a referendum to ask the people of New York if they want or need such a building..unless of course there is a traitor or traitors among them.
NO TO ANY ISLAMIC MOSQUE IN NEW YORK.!!! I totally agree with Pat Condell.If they want to bulid a Mosque on American soil let the Obama adminstration sell them some land in Death Valley!!!!!!!

America -dont beat yourselves up -use your democratic right and have a vote on this insane mosque issue -surely the majority would consider this mosque at best an insult by those killed "in the name of Islam" -

To James W Lennon -you must be out of your mind or simply do not know your facts - the people that committed 9/11 where islamic homicidal maniacs wanting to wage Jihad against the infidel "in the name of allah" - pull your head out of your rear end -they admit to this in terms of all their jihadist paraphanalia left behind after their murderous, heinous, despicable, bastardly act.

The sad part of this reality is that I personally know many wonderful, warm, caring individuals whom are of the Islamic Faith. Every religion - much like the radical right-wing Christian based Tea Party movement, or the ultra pro-Israel Jewish Settlers building in the West Bank with a Torah in one hand and a gun in the other - has a small percentage of radicalism within its population. With Islam however, the terrorism and radicalism has been felt globally on a much broader level than with the other religions, and perpetuating those actions are militant groups proudly claiming responsibility and national leaders claiming holy war against the West.

The reality is that if the Islamic Middle Eastern Nations didn't control most of the world's oil supply, governments wouldn't yield as much as they do. We saw it with the Flotilla a few weeks ago... This was obviously a setup to make Israel look bad, and anyone with a mediocre IQ and an objective outlook can see this truth as clear as day, yet we saw the reaction across the globe.

For the millions of beautiful, loving keepers of the Islamic Faith, I am truly sorry that your societies are burdened by the fundamentalists that insist on the rest of the world doing things their way. Should there be a huge mosque built on Ground Zero with a 9/11 unveiling? Probably not. Many Americans - especially families of 9/11 victims - will be infuriated and it will undoubtedly be seen as a slap in the face, and equally obvious will be the standard message that our government is once again held hostage to oil and will compromise its integrity (as it so often does) for the sake of convenience, money and short-sightedness.

The sad part of this reality is that I personally know many wonderful, warm, caring individuals whom are of the Islamic Faith. Every religion - much like the radical right-wing Christian based Tea Party movement, or the ultra pro-Israel Jewish Settlers building in the West Bank with a Torah in one hand and a gun in the other - has a small percentage of radicalism within its population. With Islam however, the terrorism and radicalism has been felt globally on a much broader level than with the other religions, and perpetuating those actions are militant groups proudly claiming responsibility and national leaders claiming holy war against the West.

The reality is that if the Islamic Middle Eastern Nations didn't control most of the world's oil supply, governments wouldn't yield as much as they do. We saw it with the Flotilla a few weeks ago... This was obviously a setup to make Israel look bad, and anyone with a mediocre IQ and an objective outlook can see this truth as clear as day, yet we saw the reaction across the globe.

For the millions of beautiful, loving keepers of the Islamic Faith, I am truly sorry that your societies are burdened by the fundamentalists that insist on the rest of the world doing things their way. Should there be a huge mosque built on Ground Zero with a 9/11 unveiling? Probably not. Many Americans - especially families of 9/11 victims - will be infuriated and it will undoubtedly be seen as a slap in the face, and equally obvious will be the standard message that our government is once again held hostage to oil and will compromise its integrity (as it so often does) for the sake of convenience, money and short-sightedness.

Ever heard of Sleeper Cells?
As some of our minds are at a little more ease, because of our fast-paced lives after almost 9 years after 911, we tend to forget how quickly they hit us! We all know ITS NOT OVER by a long shot! This just proves the theory of Communism at our door-step! BAM!!! Just like that. Keep in mind our President had his name changed to Barrack Hussein Obama.(A Moslem)
It WILL HAPPEN AGAIN!
Please NEVER FORGET!!

Here's a fast solution... In the dead of night, take several buckets of pigs blood, and some pig carcasses, guts and so forth and scatter them on the site this way they cannot consecrate the soil to Allah, and the stinking thing would never be built there. Also why are Muslims consorting with Jews thier mortal enemy ??? Bloomberg is a Jew, how can he condone them building the rotten thing anywhere in NYC ??? OBama started this 'not to offend' buisness by not having his hand over his heart saluting our flag which men have died for for generations so he could have the freedom to do that. Because he didn't want to be percieved, as taking sides. If he's a Muslim, than why isn't wifey wearing the garb, and the kiddies too ??? I wonder if he beats her ??? And is she a slave ??? Our troops are out there dying everyday for our freedom, and he's made a mockery of the way we live as Americans, and he wasn't even born here, and is a puppet of big money like George Soros and his ilk, sort of like the "Manchurian Candidate" Somehow in the next election all of the 535 in congress has to be gotten rid of so we can live like Freedom Loving Americans again On another issue: Part of Arizona is off limits to Americans, because the Mexican Drug Cartels have taken over the area. Why doesn't he send in a Stryker Brigade, some Apache helos, and wipe them out sort of like what was done in Waco some years back. No, because he kissed Calderon's backside when he visited him recently-you don't hear anything on the liberal news about that do you.... Freedom of speech & press have been curtailed, and the majority of American people are in the dark about what's going on. That's right I forgot, Blame Bush !!! At least we won a sort of victory last week when the Supreme Court struck down the ruling by Federal Court that would prevent us from owning firearms. At least they have the guts to stand up to him. Someway we have to fire him like he did to GEN McChrystal who was a good man... A true Patriot, and we don't need a yes man like Petraeus, or Mullen....

We could just fly a plane into the thing. With nobody in there of course. The message would come across pretty clear, while still retaining higher ground. :)

I think the Arizona Desert or Death Valley is not appropriate. Perhaps the desert national park in india. Not America. We don't need anymore BamaNazi's in america, thank you very much.

Pat Condell is right "on the money". Islamism is much worst than Nazism. It must be eradicated before it's not too late.
We are getting closer and closer to the point of no return . . .

Here is my second hand exposure to 911, as a reminder of who AMERICANS are:
Eddie Bishop saw a buddy who was a fire fighter as he was entering the Twin Towers, and waved. As the guy put down the fire hose to wave back, something fell on him, knocking him to the ground. Eddie started to run towards his buddy to help him, until he realized it had been a human body that fell on his buddy. He stopped. He looked up and saw the Tower above him starting to come straight down. He turned and ran, "...as fast as I had EVER run in my entire life."
He ran for several city blocks and stopped, bent over, coughing and throwing up. He held onto a car tire to stay upright. He suddenly realized what had just happened, and ran straight back into the concrete dust. He said, "I left my BUDDY back there!" He was a part time policeman so they let him search in the rubble for two weeks with a five gallon pail and small shovel. He told me, "Every day, I kept thinking there has to be SOMEBODY alive in there....." but he never found anything but pieces of human beings. His wife finally found him and argued with nurse at the site to let her take him away. He was resting frequently but admitted, "I couldn't tell if I was asleep or just seeing the same things in my head, over and over again." Eddie carries tiny badges in his wallet and smiles as he proudly shows what the City of NY gave him as a reward for his efforts. Obviously, he never found his buddy.

This is a Wake Up Call for Americans, no matter where we live! So let's take action by writing or phoning the Mayor of New York, also the Governor of New York, and let them know "we the people" are totally against a Mosque being built anywhere near the former Twin Towers property.

This is an unreasonable move on the part of unreasonable people--once they get a foot hold in New York, then they will KNOW they can control the rest of us--and agree, the U.N. also appears to be pro-Islam and likely should be moved to property "outside" the borders of our Nation, or the other countries of the world will think decisions made by the U.N. are what Americans stand for.

Let's let them know by phoning and letter-writting that a Mosque is not a replacement, but a dishonor to those who died in the 911 Tragedy!

As another Famous Activist states, "DO SOMETHING!"

This is a Wake Up Call for Americans, no matter where we live! So let's take action by writing or phoning the Mayor of New York, also the Governor of New York, and let them know "we the people" are totally against a Mosque being built anywhere near the former Twin Towers property.

This is an unreasonable move on the part of unreasonable people--once they get a foot hold in New York, then they will KNOW they can control the rest of us--and agree, the U.N. also appears to be pro-Islam and likely should be moved to property "outside" the borders of our Nation, or the other countries of the world will think decisions made by the U.N. are what Americans stand for.

Let's let them know by phoning and letter-writting that a Mosque is not a replacement, but a dishonor to those who died in the 911 Tragedy!

As another Famous Activist states, "DO SOMETHING!"

"And fight in the way of Allah those who fight you. But do not transgress limits. Truly Allah loves not the transgressors."

- Qur'an, Surah Al-Baqarah (2:190)

The dangerous escalation of violence in the world is disturbing to all people of conscience, from September 11 to the Middle East battles, and other random acts of violence perpetrated at innocent civilians.

In Islam, several things are clear:

* Suicide is forbidden. "O ye who believe!... [do not] kill yourselves, for truly Allah has been to you Most Merciful. If any do that in rancour and injustice, soon shall We cast him into the Fire..." (Qur'an 4:29-30).

* The taking of life is allowed only by way of justice (i.e. the death penalty for murder), but even then, forgiveness is better. "Nor take life - which Allah has made sacred - except for just cause..." (17:33).

* In pre-Islamic Arabia, retaliation and mass murder was commonplace. If someone was killed, the victim's tribe would retaliate against the murderer's entire tribe. This practice was directly forbidden in the Qur'an (2:178-179). Following this statement of law, the Qur'an says, "After this, whoever exceeds the limits shall be in grave chastisement" (2:178). No matter what wrong we perceive as being done against us, we may not lash out against an entire population of people.

* The Qur'an admonishes those who oppress others and transgress beyond the bounds of what is right and just. "The blame is only against those who oppress men with wrongdoing and insolently transgress beyond bounds through the land, defying right and justice. For such there will be a chastisement grievous (in the Hereafter)" (42:42).

* Harming innocent bystanders, even in times of war, was forbidden by the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). This includes women, children, noncombatant bystanders, and even trees and crops. Nothing is to be harmed unless the person or thing is actively engaged in an assault against Muslims.

The predominant theme in the Qur'an is forgiveness and peace. Allah (God) is Merciful and Forgiving, and seeks that in His followers. Indeed, most people who spend time on a personal level with ordinary Muslims have found them to be peaceful, honest, hard-working, civic-minded people.

In the fight against terrorism of all forms, it is important to understand who or what is our enemy. We can only fight against this horror if we understand its causes and motivations. What motivates a person to lash out in this violent, inhumane way? As the About.com Guide to Terrorism Issues points out, researchers conclude that religion neither causes nor explains suicide terrorism. The true motivation of such attacks is something that all of us -- mental health professionals, politicians, and common people -- need to understand, so that we can address the issues more honestly, prevent more violence, and find ways to work towards lasting peace.

Please visit the links below to read what Muslim scholars and Islamic governmental leaders have recently declared about this subject.

"O ye who believe! Remain steadfast for Allah, bearing witness to justice. Do not allow your hatred for others make you swerve to wrongdoing and turn you away from justice. Be just; that is closer to true piety."

- Qur'an, Surah al-Maidah (5:8)
Question: What does the Qur'an say about terrorism?
Muslims claim that their faith promotes justice, peace, and freedom. Critics of the faith (and some Muslims themselves) cite verses from the Qur'an that seem to promote violent, armed warfare. How can these different images be reconciled?
Answer: The entire Qur'an, taken as a complete text, gives a message of hope, faith, and peace to a faith community of one billion people. The overwhelming message is that peace is to be found through faith in God, and justice among fellow human beings.

At the time the Qur'an was revealed (7th century A.D.), there was no United Nations or Amnesty International to keep the peace or expose injustice. Inter-tribal violence and vengeance was commonplace. As a matter of survival, one must have been willing to defend against aggression from all sides. Nevertheless, the Qur'an repeatedly urges forgiveness and restraint, and warns believers not to "transgress" or become "oppressors." Some examples:

If anyone slays a person
- unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land -
it would be as if he slew all people.
And if anyone saves a life,
it would be as if he saved the life of all people.
Qur'an 5:32

Invite all to the way of your Lord
with wisdom and beautiful preaching.
And argue with them
in ways that are best and most gracious...
And if you punish,
let your punishment be proportional
to the wrong that has been done to you.
But if you show patience, that is indeed the best course.
Be patient, for your patience is from God.
And do not grieve over them,
or distress yourself because of their plots.
For God is with those who restrain themselves,
and those who do good.
Qur'an 16:125-128

Oh you who believe!
Stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to God,
even against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin,
and whether it be against rich or poor,
for God can best protect both.
Follow not the cravings of your hearts, lest you swerve,
and if you distort justice or decline to do justice,
verily God is well acquainted with all that you do.
Qur'an 4:135

The recompense for an injury
is an injury equal thereto (in degree),
but if a person forgives and makes reconciliation,
his reward is due from God,
for God loves not those who do wrong.
But indeed, if any do help and defend themselves
after a wrong done to them,
against such there is no cause of blame.
The blame is only against those who oppress men
with wrongdoing and insolently transgress
beyond bounds through the land,
defying right and justice.
For such there will be a penalty grievous (in the Hereafter).
But indeed, if any show patience and forgive,
that would truly be an affair of great resolution.
Qur'an 42:40-43

Goodness and evil are not equal.
Repel evil with what is better.
Then that person with whom there was hatred,
may become your intimate friend!
And no one will be granted such goodness
except those who exercise patience and self-restraint,
none but people of the greatest good fortune.
Qur'an 41:34-35

Cultures of violence are the problem, not the religion of Islam. Did we blame Christianity for the Northern Ireland/ Ireland violence? What do we say about what the Europeans, and subsequent US government, did to the Indigenous Americans? The Turks to the Armenians circa WWI? South Africa under apartheid? We seem awful selective about who we blame, or if we blame or, in some cases, if we even remember.

The video assumes all Muslims are the same. Again, a bigoted "Us. v. Them"

We know that all Jews are not the same: Hasidic, Orthodox, Reformed.

We know not all Christian are the same: Catholic, Mormon, Unitarian.

Why, then, must Muslims all be cast in their worst possible stereotype? Frankly, betrays a lack of understanding.

We are all, individually, defined by our actions. I am a murder if i murder, not if my Father, Brother or Neighbor murders. We cannot pass judgment upon a whole group based a radical few. If we do, what must we think of conservative Christians after an abortion clinic is bombed?

All Christians were were not Klan members, all African Americans were not Black Panthers. Saying so, or implying as much, just furthers a divide we need to spend our lifetimes bridging.

The US was to stand for freedom, to stand for the unbridled ability to be the individual that you are. Black, White, Man, Woman, Gay, Straight, Christian, Jew, Muslim, Atheist... All with the same rights and opportunities. All with equal access to buy a home, eating at a lunch counter, getting a job, worshiping openly, openly not worshiping.

Fairness isn't easy, Prejudice is. The rights of those in this country are not just for the individuals with whom the masses agree, in fact, they exist precisely to defend those whom the masses condemn.

We are Americans. We stand for equality.

If a church can go there, so can a mosque, so can a synagogue. That is equality. It's just that simple.

(Is it in good taste? well, that's another question all together. Though, to say that Muslims are being insensitive, then to show contempt for a politically correct culture in the same breath seems to want ones cake and want to eat it too)

Yes, Pat says it all. We are in the tank and our politicians are completely on board with it. The only thing that could stop this momentum, is the entire nation rising up in protest against their own government to hold accountable the dirty politicos, that are enabling this move to communism....Big Brother is the government and the people are feeling hopless. If this were 60's, we would take our own federal and state governments to court. But it isn't...so what can we do but pray?
I'm pretty disgusted as are many of our people, but that and $1.25 will just about buy a cup of coffee. Please Lord, have mercy on us!

Islam should be banned from the free world!

so i guess all Christians are Child Molesters since the priests are molesting kids as reported in the news..

If u can generalize Islam based on the acts of some Muslims fanatics, then the world can generalize Christianity based on the acts of some priests!!!

Let's get Islam (spit on the ground) out of the USA!

It is sad that we as Americans are not listening to the people around the world that have already experienced what is going on now in the U.S. Pat's description of what the islamist are trying to do to everyone that is not like they are is frightening and sadly accurate. Conservatives, Liberals, and Independents alike need to heed these words and join in a common belief that the freedoms afforded to a few extreme people is an unacceptable sacrifice to the general population or none of us will be allowed to speak freely, act freely and live freely.

Our laws apply to our citizens and any LEGAL visitors to our country. We are not and should never be subject to laws that are not our own.

I suppose they are planning to leave walking directions and maps to their "mosque" draped on the memorial at ground zero.

This is the most disgusting, arrogant move these animals can make on the citizens of the U.S.A.

How can we ban together to let our government know that we will not allow this structure. Will a 300,000,000 signed protest do the trick? I guarantee every citizen of our country would sign a petition to prevent this from becomming a reality.

when is this country and our leaders going to smarten up? have we not learned anything?

Good job Pat. This is truely pathetic. How many churches and temples exist in Muslum countries in the middle east? I bet the Saudi's are contributing plenty to this mosque. How many churches and temples exist in Saudi Arabia?

It is one thing to be open, transparent and forgiving. It is something else to be submissive and weak in the face of your enemy. Common sense is not so common in the United States. We continue to allow ourselves to be led by the wolves in sheeps clothing. Whether it was George Bush, Mitt Romney or Barack Obama it is now all the same.

There are several factual and logical errors with Mr. Condell's rant. First off, a religion didn't kill anyone, it was religious zealots. Killing in the name of religion is a time-honored tradtion, that goes back long before Muhammad ever went on the Road to Mecca. Second, he mentions nazism, saying we have no more obligation to accomodate Islam than we to to accomodate Nazism. The problem is, we DO accomdate Nazism, allowing Nazi parties, Nazi candidates, and Nazi rallys.It's that pesky Constitution; the same one that prohibits us from banning the free exercise of religion, also permits the freedoms of speech and peaceful assembly, even to assholes with whom we disagree. He also mentions diversity as one of the things that makes America the robust, vibrant society it is, while in the very next line sneering at our tolerance. Diversity is OK, i guess, as long as we're not too diverse. If we really want to stick it to Saudi Arabia, we could do two things. Trade in all our SUV's for compact cars, and resist the temptation to emulate the Saudis, who are, after all, the world leaders in prohibiting, banning, and otherwise harrassing religions and people of other faiths.

Gosh. I am so not surprised. And I am very very worried. Not about Islam but those poor people who decide to attend that mosque. Why would anyone want to be in a building regularly in an area where such a tragedy happened/ What if some crazy person tried to do that again? That poor mosque could accidentally be destroyed in another such attack on neighboring buildings. After all, Ground Zero does have a lot of bad history now. And there are some who are making threats to this day. I think we should all pray for the safety of the people attending that new mosque. Just in case.

Perhaps the victims the supporters of the mosque wish to honor are those "poor boys" who "sacrificed" their lives while killing thousands in the towers and creating a permanent blight on millions.

It makes me want to vomit.

Perhaps the victims the supporters of the mosque wish to honor are those "poor boys" who "sacrificed" their lives while killing thousands in the towers and creating a permanent blight on millions.

It makes me want to vomit.

You are ranting against the wrong thing, and using erroneous facts and fallacious reasoning to do it.

You are also conveniently forgetting that 23 Muslims died in the attacks (roughly the same % as in the US population).

To say that Islam is a religion of terror, would be like saying Christianity is a religion of murder, or Scientology a religion of tax evasion. (All three assertions are more or less true.)

If you paraphrase (in your own butchered understanding) tenets of Islam, you must do the same for Christianity. I mean, have you read the Old and/or New Testaments? (I have. Three versions.) If your child talks back to you...the punishment? DEATH. Planning on doing some yardwork on Sunday? DEATH. Who should mete out this punishment? Anyone who witnesses it. It goes on and on. Even Jesus--when a fig tree looked at him crossly, guess the punishment: That's right, DEATH.

Or how about using terror and indiscriminate killing to further a political agenda? Heard of the "Crusades"? The "Dark Ages"? The "Witch Trials"? "Shock and Awe"? (And if you question that last one: look up the definition of "Terrorism" and tell me it isn't the very definition.)

The number of innocent civilians--mostly women and children--killed in Iraq is 10,000 at the (absurdly) lowest, to 1 million at the highest. (Most experts tend to settle on 100,000.) 100,000 innocent human lives. 3,000 people died in the 9/11 attacks.

Are we even yet?

I do agree with your overall sentiment--the outrage over the idea of a Mosque at Ground Zero. (I'm also skeptical of the reality of such plans, but will do my own research using.) But I tend to tune people out who make assertions of the absolute, such as "anyone who denies this is wrong" (two absolutes in one sentence).

And while it's clear you believe it doesn't matter (but in fact it does--that is, if similar Christian pleas over Christian atrocities also matter), you have also failed to mention that the overwhelming majority of Muslim clerics have condemned the attacks as being fundamentally anti-Islam. Just as many modern-day Judeo-Christian shamans decry the barbarism in both Old and New Testaments (the latter cult using lame excuses and circuitous logic of Jesus rendering the Old Testament basically null and void).

*ALL* religion and other forms of extreme groupthink are the disease. (This includes jingoism, hyper-nationalism, and other forms of arbitrary, unreasonably passionate group identification resulting in extreme, uncivilized and/or harmful behavior.) Irreligion is the only cure. And I don't mean a Jihad against religion--I mean we must all wake up, rub our sleepy eyes, and reject ALL religion, superstition, nonscience, antiscience, groupthink, propaganda, and miscellaneous nonsense.

Religion and other forms of irrational thought will die on their own when enough people dismiss it out-of-hand as the fallacy of children. (After all, you don't see people killing in the name of the Tooth Fairy.) Although, I doubt I will live to see that day. I'm sure there are people reading this (probably most decidedly anti-Muslim).

Death Valley no better place for them!
The same year Islam and Judaism's holiest holidays overlapped for 10 days.
Muslims racked up 397 dead bodies in 94 terror attacks across 10
countries during this time... while Jews worked on their 159th Nobel Prize

Satan is the god of death and destruction

How much longer will our nation’s people lay down with the lion that will soon devour them? Erecting a mosque near the site of the most horrendous crimes committed against the American people, by Muslim fanatics, is just unbearable to say the least. It would be like Germany asking the Jewish nation of Israel to allow them to erect a statue of Hitler and his top comrades in the middle of Jerusalem. Wake up my fellow citizens! Wake from your slumber before it is too late for all of us. Contact every elected official in New York and in Washington that you can. Write every news paper you can. Fight back! Fear for our country and way of life before it is too late for us.

I how eloquent a statement, with one area of disagreement. PLEASE leave the Arizona desert and Death Valley alone. Perhaps the middle of the Gulf of Mexico would be more appropriate for the grand mosque, on the bottom of the sea bed.

I can't believe that anybody in their right mind would allow this to happen. I hate even the idea that a mosque will be built on this site. However maybe this will wake up
those Americans who have their heads so far up their rectums that they have "fecal amnesia".

Get ready, the next Crusade may be coming soon.

TO ALL POLITICIANS:

If you are so certain there is no danger in allowing assimilation (or what they call Islamification) or more tolerance towards a religion which has proven to be dangerous (Muslim). LET'S MAKE A DEAL. If another single terrorist act happens from this stupidity you will allow me to cut off your right hand and left foot. Or you will agree to trade your daughter for $1,000 in marriage to me at the age of my choice so long as it is above the age of 12 (and she will agree to consent).

Sound drastic? - Muslims practice this in more than 20 countries and they intend on practicing that here in the good Old USA.

THINK THIS IS A SICK JOKE?
WATCH THESE VIDEO PLAYLISTS:
ISLAM - Honor Killing in America
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=BC28D5CF09C0ACBD

Islam ~ Muslim: Education Videos
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=6D98E756B266C153

. . . Now is it more sick to allow Muslims to Islamify our country or is it more sick to agree to my terms?

So...should I hate and distrust my Muslim neighbors? They are nice, middle class, hard working people with 2 nice, well behaved kids.
What would Mr. Spencer have me do? Christianity says "love thy neighbor".
Confused

Pat failed to mention that the Islamic temple is on the Jewish sacred mountain in Jerusalem.

And people wonder why the Jews dislike them?

And to those wishywashy Christians who dodge the issue by quoting 'love thy neighbour', read your Bible and see how God has dealt with them in the past - hundreds of thousands killed overnight. Or read the book of Esther. Better still, watch the movie "A Night with the King"
Sure - Love your Neighbour - but hate what he does if it is against your sure beliefs.

Well it just seems another great blunder of American politicians for monitary gain shows thru once again.Can we not see that this stuff is a Muslim ploy to gain yet another foothold in this country.What will it take to make people realize just what is going on,how many of our Son's and Daughter's sacrificed to make us wake up.Have you not seen the dismemberment,death of our men and women to realize
enough is enough???? Wake up America before it is too late
and we are forced to do what the Muslims want.
We fought off Japanese dominance,German dominance,and even Soviet indoctrination.......you can see whats on the horizon,don't let this happen.

The majority of those living in the United States of America do not see what is happening to this once great country. They are beyond being couch potatoes. At least the couch potatoe sees the news. You must have noticed the silence from the Hollywood crowd. How smart they thought they were! Oprah, haven't heard a word from ya? What the hell happened? Until this, do nothing, moron who sits in the white house is removed, we must attempt to educate those who want something for nothing. If we, the ones that really care, don't vote him out, I guarantee you will see marshall law hit the cities. You will see the morons looting for no other reason, other than they can. The Los Angeles riots will look like a Girl Scout hot dog roast. You people who expect something for nothing, had best get out of the way. The REAL citizens of the United States of America are going to take charge, and CHARGE they will! God Bless you all, and the Flag will still stand!

If one takes Osuma Bin Ladden's birthdate March 10, 1957 and calculates the days to Sept 11, 2001, we get 16,256 . (5+2-1)6,6 =666

If we take June 9, 2012 -the End date- and subtract 666 days, we get August 14, 2010 -the sabbath. Expect something big to happen.

A Mosque at the ground zero location of the World Trade Center attack? You have got to be F'n kidding me !

"Stupid is as stupid does". "That's all I got to say about that" (Credit both quotes to Forest Gump 1994)

The only problem I have with this video is the misinfo regarding 9/11. I think enough people in the world know by now that it was NOT a few bungling Muslim terrorists who miraculously flew passenger jets into those towers and attacked the mighty Pentagon! ALL terrorist groups are set up, funded, and cared for by our very own intelligence services. This has been admitted in the US Senate. (See video: Ron Paul, Israel Created Hamas). It was the CIA who funded and pushed the idea of setting up radical Islamic schools for children - that is the roots of the terrorism we have in the world today!
And who controls FOX News?? Not the CIA - no - never! And where are the Nazis today? What about Operation Paperclip that took all the most intelligent and evil of the Nazis after the war and set them up in the States for the sole purpose of using their skills at mind control and rocket engineering.

The only problem I have with this video is the misinfo regarding 9/11. I think enough people in the world know by now that it was NOT a few bungling Muslim terrorists who miraculously flew passenger jets into those towers and attacked the mighty Pentagon! ALL terrorist groups are set up, funded, and cared for by our very own intelligence services. This has been admitted in the US Senate. (See video: Ron Paul, Israel Created Hamas). It was the CIA who funded and pushed the idea of setting up radical Islamic schools for children - that is the roots of the terrorism we have in the world today!
And who controls FOX News?? Not the CIA - no - never! And where are the Nazis today? What about Operation Paperclip that took all the most intelligent and evil of the Nazis after the war and set them up in the States for the sole purpose of using their skills at mind control and rocket engineering.

I suggest first that one does not have to look far back in history to understand that some of the most appalling treatment of human beings, by human beings, has been perpetrated in the name of religion - the Spanish Inquisition, the Crusades, the seemingly never-ending animosity between certain Catholics and Protestants and many other such instances.

However, we are now in the 21st century and just as the Inquisition is dead, the Crusades over years ago and (hopefully) the Irish 'Troubles' a thing of the past, so should radical Islam realise that their culture belongs more in the middle ages than 2010 and is not acceptable to the majority.

I don't hold Islam, per se, responsible for what happened over 9/11 and other such Islamic atrocities, for I believe that Islam itself is no worse or better than any other religion. I also believe that its majority believers genuinely believe and wish to live in harmony.

No, it's the minority which causes the trouble, just as they do in so many other instances. Just think .... sports hooligans, Al Quaeda, Basque separists, psychopaths and the like, destroyinging things for the majority who want a peaceful existence.

Thugs are thugs - wherever they are and whatever religion they are - and there should be a harsher control of their activities. 9/11 was an outrage against humanity, as were the other outrages quoted and to believe that allowing the erection of an Islamic mosque on Ground Zero would be a successful forgive and forget act would be living in cloud cuckoo land. IT MUST NOT BE ALLOWED.

First let me say that I have never seen so much scary "change" in our country so quickly. Laws are being passed left and right without our foreknowledge and many by political morons that are not concerned enough to even know what they are passing. I recently saw an email clip showing a protest in New York regarding the building of the mosque but I saw nothing on the news about it and the email stated that no media coverage was given. WHY??? I totally agree with Mr. Condell and I do not understand why the leaders of this country can not or refuse to see what a large majority of the average citizens are observing. I have heard several acquaintances say "the muslims here are peaceful, they're not radical" and I respond with~ that is because at this point they have no recourse but to be peaceful but you wait until they get enough muslims in this country to run for political positions and change our laws to expedite their cause and you will see how PEACEFUL they are. Open eyes are good but we must all be 'doers' and let our government officials know that we don't like it and we are NOT going to let it happen. God bless Pat Condell! God help America!

This just wrong!!!! What are these people thinking they are so STUPID!!!!!

I am offended! Being born and raised in the Southwest United States and as a Christian I do not want a Mosque built anywhere in the US and least of all in the South West. It bad enough that we have a Mexican invasion going on here, that the US Government does nothing about, without you promoting an Islamic Invasion…..

If we are complacent about this, we deserve what's coming. The gradual encroachment on the freedoms we've taken for granted is moving fast. Maybe fast enough so that the apathetic among us will begin to notice.

But like a spoiled child who got everything he wanted, then suddenly finds himself on his own, Americans will wonder where it all went. Then they'll wonder why "somebody" didn't do something.

Well, we are somebody. While there may still be enough freedom for the money to be put in play to build this monstrosity, there's still enough freedom of expression and political pressure to stop it. What we may be lacking is the will.

So, America, will up!

This gave me chills. I loved it. I don't think anyone in the world could have said it better. America and the entire world needs to wake up and stand against Islam. At least Islam as it's now known. Where do I sign to voice my opinion on a mosque at ground zero? Thank you Pat Condell for awakening something in me. I intend to pass this on to everyone I know.

As a white and christian american active duty military member who has been to the middle east several times I am embarrassed by by what a lot of the people in America are saying about this mosque and the Islamic religion. People need to stop being so ignorant and learn how to separate the religion from the terrorism. They are separate. There are extremists in every culture and belief. The extremists are the problem. Christian extremists are a problem as well. Wake up people! Our country stands for freedom of many things and religion and speech are two of them. Period. You are all embarrassing yourself and other fellow americans with your extremist ranting.

I hadn't heard of this new atrocity. (or maybe not so new?) I am sickened by what I just heard, to dishonor those who lost their very innocent lives that day, and the familys left behind. No one could have said it better than this man, "Bravo!" but what a shame that it had to be a Brit instead of an American to put it into such perfect words. If us 'Americans' allow this to happen then shame on us! I've got to go throw up now.

I have also just heard of this planned lunacy.

I say let them have "Vito and Tony" build da ting with a little help from some "electronics experts" from IDF Corp on 47th St. to provide "modern communications" and "networking." It may run about tree, maybe four or five hunnitt percent over budget but, hey... who dey gonna complain to? It might fail one, maybe two, maybe seven inspections...but-hey...deese tings happen if ya ain't Yankees fans. To save weight, the building could be made out of Cyclotrimethylenetrinitramine, a fine plastic that can be molded and shaped.

Did you know that New York suffers from earthquakes and radicals who have bombed buildings in the past and who knows...perhaps one day that building may just end up going 'poof' into the land of the 71 virgins...

I'm just sayin...

July 16, 2010.

Pat Condell has not waited for others to speak up as most of us in North America and the rest of world do. While each and every person on this planet needs to discover, if they have not already, for our world to survive, we need to co-exist and respect others who are different than us as individuals.

This attempted action of building a mosque near ground zero, in my view, in an insult to man kind. This proposed mosque should rather be built 30,000 feet below the 911 Pennsylvania crash site of flight 93. The 30 thousand foot deep elevation should be supplied as a rental location on which the mosque can be built. Thereafter, a reasonable rental fee payable one year in advance on a monthly basis should be $1,000,000,000 or as many zeros as one wished to add.

These rental sums would then be distributed to all cost elements and the people directly affected by the 911 terrorist disasters. Should the people responsible for building, maintaining and supporting the mosque fail to pay their monthly rent, all the action that is needed is to fill the elevator shaft with 100 feet of gravel and rock.

For those that wonder why I suggested 30,000 feet below the surface, I consider the dive to the death of flight 93 began at about 30,000 feet above the earth. In any event, let us all take at least one step forward and reach out to our fellow men and women and attempt to co-exist on what is becoming a fragile planet.

I'm going to go out on a limb on this one...

To start, please understand that I mean no disrespect to the families or friends of the victims of this disgusting act of terrorism and I, in no way condone the actions of the monsters who perpetrated, planned, and carried out these attacks. These were evil people who deserve nothing more than the hate that this video clearly displays. That said, deserving hate and receiving it are two completely different things. I believe that the American people are capable of so much more.

I am a god loving individual that has dedicated his life to peace and understanding. I am a Christian, however I do not believe it is my right to force my religion on anyone. I believe that communication and compassion are the only way to ensure that an attack of this magnitude never happens again.

I believe that hate is the seed that spawns wars and terrorism. Based on the views of Pat Condell and the many individuals who responded to this video, I can see that hate is far too prominent in today's American society. Islam is not the enemy, terrorism is.

Has anyone stopped to ask why it would be more moral to build a Church or Synagogue on the site than a Mosque? What if a Mosque was built as an act of defiance against fundamentalist, Muslim terrorists? What if having a Mosque would show these terrorists that Islam is a religion of peace and that Islamic terrorism does not define the religion itself. There is no mention in the Koran that killing innocent citizens is an act of holiness. I truly believe that the Ground Zero site is amongst the most appropriate places in the world for prayer and self reflection.

Throughout countless generations, many American soldiers have died in the name of freedom. They have given their lives so that we, as American citizens can live in peace and harmony without the threat of persecution for our religious and moral beliefs. I believe that we are a strong, proud, compassionate people and I believe that we should allow our citizens to pray wherever and whenever to the God to whom we pray.

...Just food for thought.

The best defense is a good offense. Wouldn't it be enlightning to have some like minded developer types propose to construct places of "worship" in as many muslum countries as we could? What do you all think would happen?

I just hope that enough American's see this and respond in every way possible to get this building stopped.

As far as putting it somewhere else, not on American soil is my feelings. But that means nothing as long as we have a muslim as president. the same president that kissed the feet of a self appointed king of some land blessed with oil beneath the sand.

Where have the true American's gone? the ones whose sons and daughters died for the ideals this country was built on. This is a sad time in America's histroy to sit and watch it be sold and stolen and given away by and to peoples who care less about the freedoms it was built on.

I am sorry for the spelling errors i am typing faster than i know how and looking thru tears.....

I suppose it's useless for me to attempt to add a little compassion to this discussion, but I will try my best. I am a devout Christian. I am also a college professor. Over the last 35 years I have had numerous students who were Muslims. I learned alot from them and hopefully, they learned something from me as well. I never heard a word of hate from any of them. It is important that we remember that those who committed the terrible acts of 9/11 were a handful of very hateful people who completely misrespresented the millions of people and many Americans who practice Islam. In fact, many of those who were killed in the towers were Muslims. Just as there is room for all Christian traditions and also Jewish beliefs of those who perished in the Holocaust of 9/11, we must also remember those Americans of Islamic faith who serve in our military, in our Congress, and who are our American neighbors. Hatred brought us 9/11. Let us not meet hatred with more hatred, or no lesson will have been learned from that awful event.

Everyone should hear this and be out there protesting the building of this mosque !
This was excellent !

Islamophobia: Have We Learned Anything From History?
An Editorial by Warren J. Blumenfeld

Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. --Santayana

Two months following Japan’s attack on Pearl Harbor, on February 19, 1942, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt signed Executive Order 9066 authorizing military officials to operate “military areas” as “exclusion zones,” from which “any or all persons may be excluded.” This order justified the exclusion and forced relocation of all people of Japanese ancestry from the entire Pacific coast into concentration campus in the interior U.S. Though the country was at war with Germany and Italy as well, and though no single case of suspected Japanese American espionage activity was ever proven, the government stripped an estimated 110,000 Japanese U.S.-American citizens of their constitutional protections and their property, and transported them long distances.

It was not until 1988 when Congress passed legislation apologizing and providing monetary reparations to Japanese Americans for this tragic chapter in U.S. history. The legislation confirmed that the actions taken by our government were founded on “race prejudice, war hysteria, and a failure of political leadership.”

Fast forward to the horrendous events of September 11, 2001. A national poll found that 31% of U.S. residents asserted that our government should incarcerate Arab Americas in concentration camps as we did with Japanese Americans during World War II.

I wonder whether we have learned anything from history? To stereotype and scapegoat all followers of Islam for the events of 9/11 is as invalid as blaming all Christians for the despicable actions perpetrated by Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma City bomber who was a devout Christian.

The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) released its 2006 report finding that approximately 25% of U.S.-Americans consider Islam as a religion of hatred and violence, and that those with the most biased attitudes tend to be older, less educated, politically conservative, and are more often to belong to the Republican Party.

Though a 1963 U.S. Supreme Court case ruled unconstitutional any mandatory prayers or Bible readings at public schools or the promotion of religion, subsequent rulings declared the constitutionality of many forms of personal religious expression on school campuses.

The physical education teacher of a Muslim elementary school student in Iowa, however, forbad her from wearing a traditional Muslim full-body swimming garment during instruction in the school pool, but ordered her, instead, to wear a western-style bathing suit, which would force the student to act against her faith. Her mother was compelled to educate the principal on Muslim religious practices. After much discussion, the principal agreed to permit the student to wear a swimming garment of her choice, though he warned the girl’s parent that the child would most likely incur angry and mocking epithets from her classmates.

Muslim students, faculty, and staff, however, are routinely not accorded the opportunity to have a safe prayer space on campus to perform the salat (prayer), as required by the Five Pillars of Islam. A case in point involved a 17-year-old high school junior in Ohio, who was barred by school administrators from praying in an empty classroom at lunch and before and after class hours. In this case, CAIR stepped in on the student’s behalf, and convinced the school district to reverse its policy.

Today, especially since September 11, 2001, we see growing numbers of violent acts directed against Muslims. During the single year of 2005, for example, CAIR listed a total of 1,522 civil rights violations against American Muslims, 114 of which were violent hate crimes. The report included incidents of violence, as well as harassment and discriminatory treatment, including “unreasonable arrests, detentions, and searches/seizures.” For example, the CAIR report included an incident in which a Muslim woman wearing a hijab (the garment many Muslim women wear in public) took her baby for a walk in a stroller, when a man driving a truck nearly ran them over. The woman cried out that, “You almost killed my baby!,” and the man responded, “It wouldn’t have been a big loss.”

Nearly one-quarter of all reported civil rights violations against American Muslims involve unwarranted arrests and searches. Law enforcement agencies routinely “profile” Muslims of apparent Middle Eastern heritage in airports or simply while driving in their cars for interrogation and invasive and aggressive searches. In addition, governmental agencies, such as the IRS and FBI, continue to enter individuals’ private homes and mosques and make unreasonable arrests and detentions.

Individuals have targeted Sikhs and Hindus as well. Between 2002 and 2005, the Sikh Coalition organization listed 62 hate crimes directed against Sikh citizens of the United States. National attention focused on the severe beating of Rajinder Singh Shalsa in New York City, and the fatal shooting of Sikh gas station owner Balbir Singh Sodhi in Mesa, Arizona. It is widely assumed that Sikhs are targeted because they wear turbans, which the public imagination equates with Muslims, which equates with “terrorism.”

In June 2003, attackers targeted Saurabh Bhalerao, a 24- year-old Indian graduate student studying in Massachusetts, who robbed, burned him with cigarettes, beat, stuffed in a truck, and twice stabbed before they dumped him along the road. The attackers allegedly misidentified this Hindu student as a Muslim because during the assault, the perpetrators yelled at him, “Go back to Iraq”.

Islamic xenophobia routinely surfaced throughout the last presidential election. Members of the political right challenged and spread rumors regarding Barack Obama’s cultural, social, and religious background, political philosophies, U.S. birth status, and patriotism. Insinuations flew about his supposed Islamic background connected to his alleged Marxist and Fascist (which is a contradiction) political influences.

Opponents referred to him as Barack Hussein Obama – with emphasis on “Hussein” -- in their attempts to connect him not only to the Muslim faith, but also to the former ruler of Iraq. In actuality, his middle name is indeed “Hussein,” which in Arabic translates to “good” or “beautiful.” Furthermore, since this country is founded on the notion of freedom of religion, whichever religious or non-religious background any candidate, or any individual, follows should in no way disqualify or call into question their credentials.

Islamophobia can be defined as prejudice and discrimination toward the religion of Islam and Muslims who follow its teachings and practices. Like racism and sexism, for example, Islamophibia is much more than a fear, for it is a taught and often learned attitude and behavior, and, therefore, falls under the category of oppression.

Warren,

Good article, but nobody is talking about beating up Muslims or taking away their rights. It's NOT a coincidence that they are planning to open a mosque adjacent to Ground Zero on the 10th anniversary of the Sep 11 attacks. It's a deliberate, well thought out act by the same 'People' who committed the attack. To suggest otherwise implies that the builders of the mosque are idiots who have no knowledge of current events and America's feelings about Ground Zero. Try building a US Air Force cultural center adjacent to ground zero in Hiroshima.

I think it was a condition from the insurer. The insurer figured it would lower the risk of a terrorist event. In effect the mosque is to be used as a hostage. That said, a southern barbecue joint with open windows serving pulled pork and beer would make a nice neighbor.

I think it was a condition from the insurer. The insurer figured it would lower the risk of a terrorist event. In effect the mosque is to be used as a hostage. That said, a southern barbecue joint with open windows serving pulled pork and beer would make a nice neighbor.

Kudos to Pat Cardell for his informed, sensible, articulate piece! He takes more information than I have had, and he offers a pattern that should spur us all to action. Let's write the NYC Mayor and the NY Times and any other major players in this decision-making. We must not let our passion for kindness nurture the quiet (for now) invasion of our country by those who hate us. Estimates are that in 20 years, there will be enough Islamists in this country to elect an Islamist President. Where will you live in 20 years?

Kudos to Pat Cardell for his informed, sensible, articulate piece! He takes more information than I have had, and he offers a pattern that should spur us all to action. Let's write the NYC Mayor and the NY Times and any other major players in this decision-making. We must not let our passion for kindness nurture the quiet (for now) invasion of our country by those who hate us. Estimates are that in 20 years, there will be enough Islamists in this country to elect an Islamist President. Where will you live in 20 years?

Kudos to Pat Cardell for his informed, sensible, articulate piece! He takes more information than I have had, and he offers a pattern that should spur us all to action. Let's write the NYC Mayor and the NY Times and any other major players in this decision-making. We must not let our passion for kindness nurture the quiet (for now) invasion of our country by those who hate us. Estimates are that in 20 years, there will be enough Islamists in this country to elect an Islamist President. Where will you live in 20 years?

America made a statement when they voted a Muslim into the office of the Presidency.. since borders are always open to Muslims, we will be a Muslim country with in the next 10 years...get ready for it. Obama has already told foreign country's we are not a Christian Nation.

Ok, I agree with all this 100% but what can we do about it? Where do we go as a collective force to stop this from happening?

Totally and completely the truth. Our own president is a muslim and that's why he is so trying to destroy America with his actions. We have to wake up and fight back against this terror group, which is what islam is all about. Murderers and terrorists.

Pat, you have said more about my views on islam in 6 minutes than I could have ever done. And Pat, I think it needs to be mentioned that although there is somewhat of a divide as to how sharia law is to be spread, i.e., through violent or peaceable means, it needs to be mentioned that there is almost no divide amongst the whole of islam that the worldwide conquest by islam needs to be done. So the ideology itself doesn't condemn spreading it thru violent means, it's just that some disagree with the violence and would prefer emmigrating in large numbers to Christian countries, having huge families, and, oh, let's say, building monserous mosques near places like Ground Zero.
Well done, Pat. Keep up the good fight. You have an ally in me.

This is a comment with which I agree, but I resent some of the comments submitted by the viewers. For one thing, President Obama is a NOT a muslim. He is a practicing Christian. He was born in Indonesia to a Christian mother, brought up by Christian grandparents. He actually saw his African Muslim father only once in his life - when he was 10, for a brief time. To make these baseless accusations that he is a muslim is to diminish the validity of comments and those who made them I totally reject them as untrue, and based upon ignorance of the facts.

This is America, so let's keep it fair - in the American spirit. And lets not construct Mosques in places where they will be perceived as insulting. Ground zero is a site of a great tragedy and should be respected as such. A mosque does not belong there. Lea Frey

Definitely a very well articulated opinion about a subject that should be appalling to all New Yorkers. The only unfortunate comment made by Mr. Condell is when he compares extreme Muslim ideology with Nationalism (or Nazism). It's the same as trying to compare apples to oranges; or liberals to conservatives - they are on opposite ends of the political spectrum. The fact is that ANY organized group regardless of race or religion that supported attacks against German citizens between 1932 and 1945 would have been escorted out of the country by the pointed end of a bayonet. This may sound a little harsh in today's politically correct environment, but my point is that Hitler's Germany would never have tolerated such an act; and that fair-minded German people who only wanted freedom and liberty like the rest of us would have stood firm against such an encroachment on the sanctity of the German State.

Yes, I agree that an Islamic Mosque should not be built on the site of the old World Trade Center buildings. But my reasons are thus: First: yes, it would be a slap in the face to those who died on 9/11 and their families and friends. I agree that we cannot blame all Muslems of being terrorists but only a small few. I feel that a mosque built at the Ground Zero site would be a very sad reminder of the day that the terrorism was perpetrated against all of America. And to those who have been left behind would cause hate and bad feelings to grow more rampantly among Americans against the Muslems that are peaceful and kind. Also, if it is out of compassion and tolerance that the government leaders have said that the mosque could be built there, then where is their compassion and tolerance for those families and friends of the departed Americans and others from 9/11? We need to show those people compassion and caring first and foremost.

There has, throughout history, always been war and murder for the sake of some kind of religion. It has been mentioned here several times. With each occurence of violence perpetrated against another country or community, hatred has grown for the offending peoples because of the violence that the people had to endure. We can only end this kind of violence by doing away with human civilization all together. And I believe that one day it will happen. And the only way it will happen is if some higher power steps in. Humans cannot do this on their own. And the building of some sort of building on the ground that was won by the act of warfare is also common. But that does not mean that it should be allowed unconditionally.

Our country has changed since it's inception. Not necessarily for the better. We are supposed to be a land of tolerance and religious freedom. Yet our legislation and legal system have allowed and justified intolerance of religious practice. Most of the time the intolerance and restrictions of religious practice have come against Christions. Practicing ones faith in front of someone else is not "pushing or promoting their religion" on another person. It is the free practice of such. Just as a person is free to wear shorts and a T-shirt in the winter even though others consider it insane and unwise. And it is also because of our "tolerance and sensitivity towards others" that there are constantly restrictions being placed on someone because something they do is considered insensitive to someone else. Where does one persons rights begin and another's end? There can be no defined line there. To restrict one person's right to practice their personal beliefs is to practice intolerance against that person and in return the same type of intolerance should be practiced against all.

I also wish to say to Mr. Jim Collier, religion is not Irrational thought. Religion, as defined, is a belief binding the spiritual nature of man to a supernatural being; any system of faith and worship;.....conschientious devotion of practise; scrupulous care. As such, atheism, agnosticism, and any other "belief" is or can be one's religion. Even a persons career can be their "religion.'
A religious Faith, is the constant belief in something spiritual, unseen, or concrete. Faith,by definition, is the firm belief in something someone states, affirms, or testifies simply on the ground of his truth or veracity; The assent of the mind or understanding to the truth of what God has revealed; belief in the testimony of God as contained in Scriptures. So, to have or followed a religious faith, is neither irrational thinking or a waste of one's time. If people truly followed the original teaches of whatever religious faith they have, this world would not be in such a state. There would be more people holding to a belief that kindness, love, compassion and acceptance of each other is of the highest importance.

As a baby boomer I have known the fear of the cold war following the 2nd world war. The fear I felt then as a child is miniscule compared to the fear I have for Muslims. I am insulted by looking at women wearing the Burqua because to me it represents 9/11.
I believe we should ask the relations of the people who lost loved ones on 9/11 if they agree to the mosque being built.
Can you imagine losing your child, your husband, your wife or one of your parents on that day, and then be told that a Muslim mosque 13 stories high close to their last seconds on earth will cast a shadow over their lost lives.
Tell them to go to hell.
Get a backbone America
Get a backbone England.

I think we should allow the Mosque as long as it's respectful to the community.

Lots of bad things happen, but in the history of the world, racism and prejudice are the worse.

Yes- The structure proposed is ostentatious literally and emotionally, but freedom of religion is one of the excellent reasons why the USA was founded. Our country has always stood for courage and dignity.

All people who believe in Islam are not terrorists. The religion has been around for over a thousand years- so it is a religion. We have a system here. When we give respect we expect to get it. Respect a religious building request, and respect for the feelings of individuals of the community seems very American.

Let our way of reasoning prevail- work it to get what you want. Zoning laws can deal with the structure that's respectful - unless they're being paid off, which implies they too are Islamic dupes according to this rant. This hating is like hating all Germans because of the Nazi's or thinking all Jews are thieves because of Madoff. Racism of any type is a cancer, irrational, emotional, flamboyant and utterly destructive to humanity.

Stay clear, cool, and smart. Intuition balances what you sense which is fear, with what you know through experience, and what you feel in your heart. Listen to your intuition, not your fear. You will make the decisions that give you what you want.

To the person who said "Just wait until we have a muslum in the White House" I have only this to say "WHAT MAKES YOU SURE THAT WE DON'T ALREADY HAVE ONE IN THE WHITE HOUSE!!

My heart weeps that our great country would consider, for even one minute, allowing this mosque to built anywhere near this most sacred and hallowed ground. Upon visiting the site on my first and only trip to New York City, I became angry that passers-by had the audacity to speak and/or be loud as they walked near it. For many it has already become "common place" and too quickly forgotten. Upon departing the site my tears were inconsolable, and I didn't have one single human connection to anyone who died there. Just a love for my great country's freedom and a terrible sadness for the senseless suffering that occurred.

My father was wounded at Iwo Jima and my brother in Viet Nam. Both survived the battle, but not the raging war of alcoholism and PTSD that followed.Lives and families were devastated defending this great country. The same is happening each and every day in 2010.

Allowing a Mosque to be built anywhere near this sacred, hallowed ground is an affront to everything our soldiers are dying for on the battlefield today and our law enforcement officers are dying protecting and defending.

I am a law enforcement "surviving" widow and stand appalled at the transformation of my great country.

We are a better than this and those "left behind" after the 9/11 attacks deserve better. Where is the outrage?

This all boils down to one word: "OIL"---many of us said the same when Bush & his cronies told us it was our patriotic duty to invade Iraq. "OIL" If we want to be truly patriotic, then let's reinstate the "draft." Just think of all the slackers & "gang-bangers" we could get off the streets; not to mention how re-opening closed military bases, and building new ones would help our ailing economy in so many ways. The "draft" is also an excellent way of keeping track of people and educating, training, and preparing the population for self-defence---which is sorely needed in this time of terrorism. How many of our youngsters have been sent to Arab lands for 2 or 3 tours of duty? Obama wanted these overworked and underpaid military to have to pay for their insurance. He said, "They're volunteers. They chose to go." This NUT is our commanding officer. Let's face it, folks---the last few Presidents have had no military training. When Pres. Wilson pushed through the "draft" to beef-up for WWI, there was an outcry. Freedom is NOT FREE. As a country we have become very spoiled, lazy and stupid. Ask yourself where respect has gone, and manners, and patriotism. As a "baby boomer" I remember a country where we didn't have to lock our doors at night, and knew all our neighbors. We were all proud to be Americans, and knew our history and our Bible backwards and forwards. We knew who we were, and what we stood for. The words "character" and "integrity" had meaning in daily living. We worshipped God---not the dollar bill. What has happened to America, some may ask...as we bend over backwards for the "global" community to "LIKE US", and even questioned ourselves after 9/11: "Why would the Arabs do this? Why do they hate us?" Well, if we still had a backbone, and a united belief in what America stands for, and more American history in our schools instead of spending all the school-time on I-Step preparation, and a stronger military, and higher regard for the military, and less "yellow journalism", and basic self-respect---well, maybe we could regain a notion of what America is, and what it means to us, and just where and when we are ready to draw "a line in the sand" and back it up with conviction. So many people on TV keep doing shows on Armageddon in 2012. Do we really believe that?? Are we to the point that we are now afraid to live. . .afraid to take a stand...and no longer capable of knowing "right from wrong" ??? How come our Moms always knew. Down in our bellies we know, in the dead of night. Remember some of our historic Presidents that we still hold in high esteem?--it didn't matter if they were Republican or Democrat---but we knew they were for America, and they made us proud to be American. Only you & I can turn this country around. Stand up, America! NO MOSQUE at the 9/11 MEMORIAL SITE!!!!

1. This mosque is a mask for other intentions.
2. People, you are giving Jonathan an audience for his nonsense. I would do the equivalent of turning your back to him by refraining from comment to him. He obviously loves and needs an audience.
3. I would hope that all contractors would refuse to be part of this purposed fiasco. I would hope this would also include all suppliers of construction material and every worker who in any way came in touch with this project. If the politicians won't stand up for America, then each American must stand. We can only hope that the need/greed for money will not influence workers who know this project just isn't right.
4. Regarding politicians - the inmates are running the insane asylum! There are two major parties just to make us think we have a choice.
5. We need to radically reduce our dependence on foreign oil, pull our forces out of the middle east and bring them home and invite all those who think the middle eastern way of thinking is correct to go make their homes in the middle eastern countries. There is no need to fight if we are not jocking for their oil and they are in a place compatible to their beliefs. If they cannot blend with our mixed society, then go where they are wanted. I enjoy learning of other customs and beliefs but surely do not wish to live with people whose main focus is infiltration and murder. In nature, the strongest survive. Man sends his strongest, bravest and best off to be slaughtered and maimed on foreign soil. That's a very high price to be paid for oil. And just what are we doing to our own gene pool by sacrificing our best?

Well said Pat..... An Englishman with enough balls to say it the way it is ....We need you here in N/A mate....
You really should run for presidency of the world !

Pat would have a bit more credibility if he argued that all religious institutions should be banned from building anywhere in this country as a result of the past atrocities committed by anyone marginally associated with their cults. I happen to believe, for example, that the Christian Right is responsible for infinitely more suffering and death each year than the Muslim extremists who attacked us on 9/11. They accomplish this by propagating hatred against minorities, women, and homosexuals; by dint of of their war mongering in the middle east; by fighting against a humane social welfare system that cares for the poor, comforts the sick, aids the unemployed and downtrodden, demands a livable wage for workers, and so on and so forth. So why should they be allowed to build churches in the very communities they are helping to destroy? As an atheist, I could live in a country free of religion, but as an American I value the religious freedom that allows you to believe what you choose, Muslims to believe what they choose, the Westboro Baptist Church to believe what they believe, and me not to believe at all.

Does anyone know where to write to to block this building?

You can see how ineffective that flotilla attempt to alter public opinion is.
The Islamic millitants keep going on about 9 likked on aide ship/
The truth is Israel has a legal blockade which they imposed when Hamas was elected in Gaza. Hamas is out to destroy Jewws and Israel specifically. The blockade since it has a military objective is legal and proportionate to the threat to Israel's existence.
Under innternational law, specifically the San Remo Manual which is referred to as the law of blockades and naval warefare. Section IV staes that international waters are fair game in enforcing the blockade. Club and knife weilding activists become conbatants as soon as they attack the soldiers.
If you think Gazans are suffering google "Gaza Mall" Nice new mall and great pictures. Where did they get the cement and goods for this western style mall ?
Fanatic Muslims hate us almost as much as Jews. They are amoung us as is evident in several attempts to kill Americans and Canadians. The hate they have for us is unbelieveable.

The NYC council shot this project down as far as I know. I watched a good part of the meeting and the project took some serious heat from the council.
I post on several threads with Jews and Arabs . The hatred is so deep it will never go away.
America shpuld fear the militant mislims. Unfortunately some very honourable Muslims will suffer.
All religions are sick in my opinion. All races have and can inflict autrocities.
I'm an Atheist and every day I see things that confirm my views.
The world is manipulated by media especially the internet. There are organized propogandists who promote their viewws with no regard to truth. Global Warming is a prime example of a sick sham.

"Aasiya Z. Hassan, a 37-year-old Muslim woman, was founded decapitated in Orchard Park, N.Y., a village near Buffalo. Her husband, Muzzammil Hassan, 44, admits that he beheaded his wife. Yet now, in a bizarre turn in the case, Muzzammil Hassan has claimed that he was the real victim in the case, driven to murder his wife after enduring years of her emotional and physical abuse "

Nice guy! My wife irritates me but she still has her head. This religion allows fanatics to carry out autrocities against women.

We dont want it in Arizona either. they can go back to the middle east.

There's one major thing wrong with what he is saying, which is the fact that the official story of 9-11 was completely fabricated. The Muslims did not do it! The other major factor is that scapegoating any group is polarizing, which is the problem in our world. We are all interconnected, regardless of religion or politics. There's one family on this planet, and it is the human family. When are we going to wake up and stop this nonsense?

It is so appalling to me as an American citizen how complacent, submissive, and tolerant this country has become. This is really it, the enemy within has truly arrived and this current Obama administration is a catlyst. Since they have been in office, the push towards Islam/Muslim tolerance and acceptance has never been blatently obvious. How can they expect honest Americans to embrace, forgive, and accept Muslims after what has happened at Ground Zero and in Yemen (our naval ship that was bombed). Maybe, there needs to be more emphasis from the conservative syndicated news sources such as Fox, (because the liberal CNN and MSNBC and the like would never air it), on the Islamitization of Europe. Americans somehow need to know the truth of their agenda, what is "really" happening in Europe and what the Muslims\Islamists are really trying to do! Why is it that Christianity is so censured and taboo anymore even in America, the land of the FREE, the land of FREE SPEECH, the land of practicing ones RELIGION, (WHICH WAS FOUNDED UPON CHRISTIAN PRINCIPLES), "BUT DID NOT PREJUDICE AGAINST OTHER RELIGIONS". It doesn't seem to matter anymore that the Christmas tree was being downgraded to a simple Holiday tree, or that Merry Christmas was to forever be replaced by Happy Holidays, etc. But if you try to understate one or any part of the Muslim\Islamic religion, or circumvent one or any part of it, it is found to be so offensive and intolerable. It does not take being a rocket scientist to figure all this out, so why has America become so tolerant and apathetic? How can we get the word out and sound the alarm as to awaken and empower America before it is truly too late. Where is our Paul Revere's and our George Washington's? I am a U.S. Army Active Duty Veteran and the descendant of many Veterans. I am proud of the American Heritage, I am proud to be an American, but from the stories of my long gone relatives, the U.S. history books from which I have studied from, from the great country that I once served and defended by putting my life on the line for, to looking at what we have going on here now, it is getting harder to recognize my beloved United States of America. Where is she? Will you my fellow Americans please help me find her and return her to where she belongs? Once we restore her to her proper place, will you be willing to do what it takes to keep her safe and keep her from being deceived and kidnapped again?
"GOD BLESS AMERICA, LAND THAT I LOVE. STAND BESIDE HER AND GUIDE HER THROUGH THE NIGHT WITH A LIGHT FROM ABOVE".

Thank you Pat Condell on the Ground Zero mosque idea.

I do agree with your words but I also wonder about forgiveness of others.

I will grant you the perfect site would be the UN area.

Ciao ...

All of Washington need to sit down and watch this. They have gone soft on Jihad and radical Islamists. This was brilliantly written.

Pat says it best. We Americans are so gullible and want to be forgiving a Mosque should never be allowed especially at Ground Zero or anywhere in America. If it is built then someone should fly two planes into it and kill all of them in it. Why don't they all go back to the Middle East and build their mosque there. The Middle East is vast and have lots of land why are they coming here to live or going to Europe, England and why do we allow them into our country. They hate us so why do they want to live amongst us. Go back, you have all of Saudia Arabia, Iran, Syria, Egypt, Iraq, etc. stay in your own country you are not welcome here.

Another clear sign of America's weakness. Islam is a dominating and inhumane religion, that is even more corrupt within it self. Sounds like Americas government, Yeah? This religion will destroy and take away what EVERY American Soldier, Sailor, Marine and Airmen and our Founding Fathers fought for We must stop this, it shouldn't even be discussed. We said "Freedom of Religion" Not change "Our Religion".

>> The Uncomfortable Definition of an Infidel, by John Harrison MBE.
> MIDSc
>
> Why I've ceased believing in anything to do with organised religion,
> No doubt I'll be heading for the fire and brimstone.
>
> Allah or the Jesus Christ? The Muslim religion is by far the fastest
> growing religion in the UK.
>
> Last month I attended my annual training session that's required for
> maintaining my prison security clearance. During the training session
> there was a presentation by three speakers representing the Roman
> Catholic, Protestant and Muslim faiths, who explained each of their
> beliefs.
>
> I was particularly interested in what the Islamic Imam had to say
> The Imam gave a great presentation of the basics of Islam, complete
> with a
> video.
>
> After the presentations, time was provided for questions and answers.
>
> When it was my turn, I directed my question to the Imam and asked:
> 'Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand that most Imams and
> clerics of Islam have declared a holy jihad [Holy war] against the
> infidels of the world and, that by killing an infidel, (which is a
> command to all Muslims) they are assured of a place in heaven. If
> that's
> the case, can you give me the definition of an infidel?'
>
> There was no disagreement with my statements and, without hesitation,
> he
> replied, 'Non-believers!'
>
> I responded, 'So, let me make sure I have this straight. All followers
> of Allah have been commanded to kill everyone who is not of your faith
> so they can have a place in heaven. Is that correct?'
>
> The expression on his face changed from one of authority and command
> to
> that of 'a little boy who had just been caught with his hand in the
> cookie jar.'
>
> He sheepishly replied, 'Yes.'
>
> I then stated, 'Well, I have a real problem trying to imagine Pope
> Benedict commanding all Catholics to kill those of your faith or Dr.
> Stanley ordering all Protestants to do the same in order to guarantee
> them a place in heaven!'
>
> The Imam was speechless!
>
> I continued, 'I also have a problem with being your 'friend' when you
> and your brother clerics are telling your followers to kill me! Let me
> ask you a question. Would you rather have your Allah, who tells you to
> kill me in order for you to go to heaven, or my Jesus who tells me to
> love you because I am going to heaven and he wants you to be there
> with
> me?'
>
> You could have heard a pin drop as the Imam remained speechless.
>
> Needless to say, the organisers and promoters of the 'Diversification'
> training seminar were not happy with this way of dealing with the
> Islamic Imam and exposing the truth about the Muslims' beliefs.
> Within twenty years there will be enough Muslim voters in the U.K. to
> elect a government of their choice, complete with Sharia Law
>
> I think everyone in the U.K. should be required to read this, but with
> the Liberal justice system, liberal media and the political
> correctness
> madness, there is no way this will be widely publicised.
>
> Please pass this on to all your e-mail contacts.
>
> John Harrison MBE. MIDSc

Bashing the overwhelming majority (Good Muslims) for the acts of miniscule minority (Bad Muslims) is of course manifestly unfair. But how did the bad ones become bad? They could have not become so in void space. It is what they have read, what they have been taught and what has been grilled into their mind that radicalized them. If a scripture is peppered with offensive messages like “kill the infidels” or other Gods and religions are false, what you think the out product will be like? Any person with a little grey matter will know that these are wrong even if they are words of God. The said minority practice what is preached to them. So the source of radicalization is the presence of such verses in the scripture and the preachers preaching them blindly without giving much thought.

Imam Feisal of NY should walk all his talks. The liberal that he is and as a projected model leader of the majority is he prepared to blank out these offensive verses from his copy of the scripture which he reads from the pulpit and call upon members of his congregation to do likewise?

The vicinity ground where the Twin Towers stood once is not the place for the proposed mosque to be. Sanctifying that soil with the symbol of Islam is a standing affront to those who lost their lives there and their family members for generations to come.

I agree with everything Mr. Condell says (espeically the part about the insensitivity of the Muslims behind this project), but I wish he would preface"extreme" or "radical" tp the word Islam when describing its leaders and/or followers. Being an aethiest, with no interest in (or bias towards) any religions, I think would make his very intellegent argumant more accurate and resignate better in the Muslim world. I have moderate Muslim friends (who I wish were much more vocal and resistant to the hi-jacking of thier religion), but they do share Mr. Condell's belief that building a Mosque a ground-zero is a very bad and provocative act. And don't get me wrong, I am not one of those who believes that radical-Muslims (or jihadist) are some insignifcant, lunatic fringe group. By all accounts (and surveys) 10% (or more) of the 1.0 billion Muslims on our planet condone, subscribe and/or partake in the use of Jihad, as a legitmate tool in their desire to spread of Islam - and Sahria law world-wide. That's over 100 miilion Muslims - and that's more than all the Nazi's that terrorized our planet a half century or so ago... and look at the damage they were able to inflict on the world's freedom and peace loving countires and citizens.

Well Said ! Wake Up People ! It is so true when Pat Condell says that if a Muslim denies or disagrees with this information they are lieing. They are under oath and tremendous pressure to follow their religion. It's not just their religion, It is their way of life, politics and law.Everybody needs to get a copy of the Kuran and READ IT! It's pretty much a blue print of orders to KILL THE INFIDEL which is ALL non believers. US! get it??? The Blue prints orders the muslims brotherhood to infiltrate America by means of politics, education and health. They are instructed to infiltrate our congress and revise our consitution to eventially become Shariah Law. IT"S HAPPENING! Any Muslim on any day will tell you this is not true as he or she has been ordered to lay low in order to achieve this revamping of America. And don't be fooled for a minute that the Vote in November is going to change anything. Have You heard of ACORN??? Well guess what new organizations using who knows what name will be in charge of the vote count. King of like money talks and b----s--t walks.Please excuse that vulgare phrase, but it's true. Muslims are taking over everything it seems. Hotels, Motels,mini marts, gas stations, customer care at most large credit card companies. THINK!!!! They are lieing low now until they are strong and fully in control and then HOLY JEHAD will be called. Can you imagine all the gasoline stations in America blowing up. And the hospitals are taken over with these guys too. I don't think this is just all coinsidental. DO YOU?????? Get that Kuran and READ IT!!!!!

Now let me see. Remember way back yonder in the 'good' book of the hebrews how their tribal god commanded them to kill everyone who they came across and also to steal their land, belongings and rape the virgin little girls? How soon we forget. These mongrels were led by 'holy men'.

Remember all the cruel bloody inquisitions of the RCC and later the Protestants that took the lives of millions of innocent men, women and children? Remember how they tortured these poor helpless people in ways that sickens and boggles a sane mind? These were let also by 'holy' men.

Remember the puritans of this early nation of America who organized the ignorant witch hunts and it was also the so-called 'holy' men of god who brought this sickness to pass?

Remember in the NT how we are told we can believe or burn? Remember part of the reward for 'believing' is to get a chance to return with jesus to preform the mass murder of the heathens that will top all previous mass murders? Another brutal attack or pure hate led by yet another 'holy' man.

Now the world is seeing the religion of islam doing exactly what the other two Abrahamic religions have done so well in the past, still doing it and will continue on.

I would say that it seems one power hungry religion calling another power hungry religion names is the pot calling the kettle black. The reaction to killing is more killing. The reaction to hate is more hate.

All of these organized religions claim to be a doctrine of peace but you would be hardpressed to find a more degenerate and deadly institute than one of these Abrahamic institutes of deception.

Everyone of these 'organizations' are filled to the brim with pedophiles and snake oil salesmen living like parasites off the clueless. People who belong to or uphold any of these perverted institutions are responsible for every atrocity committed in the name of any god that commands bloodshed. Men created these gods in their own image and these gods only do the bidding of their creators. Wake the hell up.

Pat Condell's comment on this is so true...our "president" and his cabinet and the stupid government officials behind him and the blind and ignorant citizens who refuse to see what is happening are FRIGTENING. They will be putting the Islamic flag on the White House. I am appalled at the thought of a mosque at Ground-Zero.

Obama will change your lives all right...he will take away all your rights and you idiots will smile and let him.

God help us.

Just WHY is everyone falling over backwards to please and appease the Muslim community at the expense of everything else.
These people came to our country by their own free will, they take our friendship, welfare and standard of living (far better than from where they came) and then abuse and decry the country that allowed them to settle here. If they hate us so much, just why are they still here?
Any demonstrations by them are just watched by the authorities whereas demos by others are immediatly policed and subdued.
The full face veil is a typical example (we all must have freedom of choice quotes an MP), whilst crash helmets and hoodies are banned in public places and buildings (is this racial discrimination?)
Wake up England and smell the coffee, the liberal thinkers and doers are whittleing away your country and freedom and selling us down the line.

Islam is the enemy.

Treat them accordingly.

Radical Islamists are the enemy. They are sponsored by Islam.

Treat them accordingly.

This guy is an ABSOLUTE GENIUS!!!! I'm so tired of the BS put out by the PC politicians....screw these bastards.

Mr. Condell hit it right out of the park, he talks more like an American than most of our non-representatives in DC (Decadent City.) Kinda reminds me of the fella from up north who told the world to take a flying **** at a rolling doughnut when they were putting US down (they still are) and blaming us for all their, self inflicted, woes.

It was mentioned that Mr. Condell usually gets it right, are there other videos of his commentaries?

I have just seen this clip and followed up with some investigation as to its truth and consequences. I also read some of the comments that followed its posting.

Let me state on the front end that I am a non-practicing jew, an American, and proud of both identifications. Let me state, too, that what I am most proud of as an American is that we are a nation of laws, of indiscriminate laws, that allows believers of all systems of faith to worship and practice as they believe so long as their faiths and practices do not infringe on the faiths and practices of others. Similarly, I firmly believe that there are members of all faiths, and members of all ethnic and cultural groups, who do not have similar beliefs and practices and would have no compunction about abusing the rights and privileges of others of different faiths and different ethnicities and nationalities. Such people are deplorable and do not fit into our cultural, national, legal, and ethical framework. As such, these people should be watched carefully and closely, and to the extent that they intend to create havoc upon any or all other law-abiding people of any faith or ethnicity, should be removed from social and even national life. (As compared to having their lives actually eliminated, unless they actually act on their faith and cultural beliefs.)

As one commentator noted, all religions, and indeed all nationalities are guilty of crimes against humanity making any one religion or nationality a hypocrite to throw a stone at any of the others. Also, it should be noted that, as a nation of law, we, the citizens, should be ever-diligent in reinforcing these laws in ways that never expose us as hypocrites. To do so would be to lose any moral authority forever, just as one would think about "good Christians" who hang black men for looking at white women; or "good Jews" who fail to see the inanity of subjugating "palestinians" (intentionally not capitalized and in quotes due to the only-recent naming of the co-habitants of what used to be called Palestine) after the subjugation suffered during the Hitler years and before; or "good Hindus" who have no problem lashing out at Muslim neighbors simply because they are Muslim.

My point is, as a nation of law, if someone legally buys a piece of property zoned according to statutes that allow religious-affiliated structures to be built, then said buyer has the inalienable right to do so, as offensive as it may be when it borders a sacred site. To treat this in any other way - with violent or defamatory reactions - draws our nation and our values and our ethos to the level of hypocrisy, and worse, to the level of lawlessness, that we deem other cultures and faiths. Once given that power, the people could, as any Jew knows, turn toward another group and disallow that group on legitimate or illegitimate grounds from building, practicing or engaging in their faith.

On a final note: we are not at war with Islam. We are opposed to those of that faith who disregard some very fundamental values which define Judeo-Christian cultures and nations. Unfortunately, we cannot fight against the religion, its proponents nor its adherents carte blanc; we can only fight against those who intend to act in ways that are essentially criminal and destructive of our way of life. Our war is against the crimes and criminals - just as it is against our own citizens and foreign nationals who intend to violate what makes America great: LAW.

People of New York and New York City you are crazy to allow any type mosque building project in the state or anywhere near the Twin Towers area. The Twin Towers is your Alamo. Texans hold dear the fact that over 200 men died to establish Texas independence. We remember our Alamo and the determination to fight to the death. You owe the muslim faith nothing. Can you imagine a thirteen story building next to the Alamo honoring Santa Anna and the Mexican government?

Come on New York, we in the south respect you but you have to have courage enough to tear down every brick muslims put in place to dishonor the deceased New York families. What will the children of these fallen people think of you for not having courage enough to challenge this stupidity.

After the 9-11 disaster I met a New York fireman who was vacationing in Colorado. I told him our elementary school kids had collected a five gallon jug of money and sent it to New York to help our American friends. The fireman sent me a small plack when he returned home thanking our students for their help. If the muslims really wanted to help they would denounce Jihad and provide the 100 million to the children they orphaned to pay college expenses. Personally I would not accept a penny from any of them.

Think about it, they do not deserve one square inch of American soil to build anything. I can not believe you have such turn coat politicians who are selling out American families for money. It just ain't right! Vote them out as soon as possible.

This is absolutely unacceptable. NYC I beg you to consider the families of the people that lost their lives on 9-11. What a lack of respect for the innocent families of the Americans who gave their lives in this senseless crime. I saw an interview with a muslin who offered this explaination. "We want to show the Americans we do sympathize with them, and all muslins are not terrorists" -- this is of course true, all muslins are not terrorists, just as all whites are not racist and all blacks are not criminals. But this is like rubbing salt in the wound. Build your Mosque someplace else, and leave NYC alone...leave the money out of this, leave the politicians out of this, show your compassion for your fellow humanbeing and walk away from this...

America please do not allow this. I am wanting to go to NY in a year or two, this will effect me, as I will find it hard to go to ground zero or NY knowing a mosque will be there, I know they are not all the same, but if they were the better ones surely they would know that this is disrespectful and aberrant to most Americans as well as any reasonable human being

When are we going to stop being the worlds door mat and stand up for what we belive is right. He is right there is plenty of space in the desert, they can build as big as they want.

This is not a Jewish Muslim thing. This is about America. The USA was attacked on 9/11. They did not attack a Synogue. They attacked THE WORLD TRADE BUILDING, get it ? They killed people of all faiths and beliefs. They wanted to scare Americans. Have we forgotten how frighteng it was. Funerals for months afterwards. Everyone in the surrounding area was touched in some way.Thousands lost family members. Our city has still not recovered and it will always bear the scars. With so much real estate to choose from why so near Ground Zero. Only one reason. Speak out now. Let the politicians know that this is another affront on Americans. Speak out now, while it can make the differance. Doing nothing is no longer an option. NO MOSQUE AT GROUND ZERO......

That was impressive! Why is it that this the first time I'm hearing about this? Why did I have to receive a link via an email to hear about something so important? Why doesn't the mainstream media carry stories like this? The obvious answers frighten me.

What can we do to stop it?

I have not heard about this before. I have a hard time believing New Yorker will stand for this.
How do we go about stopping something like this?

Cp,

I am agnostic, but it is abusrd to compare the Christian Right with acts of Islamic terrorism. Please provide evidence that any Christian leader is fostering racial hatred (outside of Obama's preacher Wright). This only exists in your small, left wing brain.

As for the mosque, it should not be built near the tower site. It is a matter of taste and being appropriate, not freedom of religion.

I just don't believe that it has taken so long for someone to position what is happening in our World in this way. Our governments seem to want to appease muslims (not Jews, Catholics, Hindus and other religions), regardless of the thoughts of the rest of the Western community... Not only the UK but ALL Western governments. I guess not all muslims are bad enough to want to destroy all non-muslims, but the bottom line is that they will put their religion first when told to do so. Then we could see deaths on a scale never seen before. Then it will be too late - and the radical muslims know that now. Time (and breeding) is on their side. Our soldiers are dying now in the East - all for a cause which is already lost... I despair for the future of our children.

Where was his shrill racist rantings when Timothy McVeigh - A CHRISTIAN - blew up the Alfred P. Murrah federal building in OK City, and they wanted to build a Christian Church nearby?

And why are the people who are SO upset about this continuing to lie and say that a mosque is going to be built when it's NOT - they're going to rennovate an already existing building.

Where is the OUTRAGE about this attack on FREEDOM OF RELIGION by hateful racists - ALL OF YOU (and you know who you are)! You're all pathetic traitors to the ideals of this country.

A religion didn't fly planes into the Twin Towers. If it did - then a religion (Christianity) invaded Iraq FOR NO VALID REASON - and slaughtered over 100,000 innocent Iraqi women and children. FOR NOTHING. Well, actually for the TRILLIONS of dollars that was spent and stolen by Haliburton and Bechtel and the rest of Bush's Republiturd Traitors.

You can't point a finger at Islam without condemning Christianity, too. So go ahead - I'd LOVE to see Christian Churches torn down like some of these posters would love to see mosques torn down.

Thanks Pat. Someone mentioned to me that you were a stand-up comedian too - really? Tell us all a good islamic joke and I'd be convinced. I am reading a good book at the moment that explains much of how Wahhabism came to be in the Afgh/Pak border area, and the issues it has caused since then. I think if people really knew the depth of schisnms within the Islamic world they might be less suspicious of Islam and the perspective the more fundamental elements are trying to portray. I'm sure not many people know that, in addition to the House of Cordoba dit you spin, Mecca was sacked by Islamic fundamentalists in 1803 in a bid to turn the world back to how things were in the day of the Prophet. It's easy to see how fixated people can become, and how convinced that 'they' (smacks of McCarthyism?) are out there to destroy what we know in its current guise. I note you are not American - fine, neither am I - so why the empassioned response to something that is ultimately within New Yorkers' and US citizens' scope to influence? The real issue seems to me to be the ability of a community to state what it wants and make it happen. I could not agree more that the very prospect of a 13 storey edifice in thrall of Islam at the site of the worst single-event terrorist atrocity known thus far and claimed in the name of islam is a bad thing. But the beauty of democracy as we know it is its tolerance and 'strength from within'. Part of your rantings must be that you are internally annoyed that there are a bunch of people out there who are cleverer and perhaps more determined than the populace's vote on the future of Ground Zero. It would only take a law change or swell of opinion to alter the course of history, and it is so achievable on home soil. Good luck with the campaign, but think about who your target audience really is ....

Hundreds of Muslims died on 9/11. How does having a mosque on one floor of a multi-story building, with other floors containing all types of shops (quite close to, but not on ground zero) make for such a big "political" stink? That is what they are really talking about, not some big Mosque. I can't see how anyone can reasonably object to it. It takes an ignorant extremist to make a video like the one many of you seem to think is good or brilliant. Anyway, Condell seems to think that all Muslims are the same. Just like in Christianity, there are hundreds of different sects within the Muslim world. Most Muslims in the United States came here to get away from the Islamic extremists and it does no one any good to put them in the same category with the extremist. Almost all religions (especially all monotheistic religions) are opposed to western values (really look at the Christian Bible, the Old Testament, and the Quran). Among these 3 the Quran is the least violent book. Go figure. Anyway that "Brit" Condell video is way off base as far as factual information is concerned and it is a dis-service to say people should see it. It is not truth but it is brilliant as a propaganda piece for people that do not know any better. Just a personal note; I live in South Florida near where the 9/11 pilots trained and they were not religious at all. They attended no services and drank at the local bars and went out with prostitutes. It is the political extremists that want us to believe that they were religious fanatics.

I'm not good at written expressions but here goes, Could someone tell me what is going on with these great United States. Why does it seem like the bad overrules the good. I've been thinking about this for a long time and I think that our president and our leaders are blinded and they are stumbling in their blindness--getting things done that real Americans do not want. Now this mosque thing is the highlight of blind stupidity. The only comfort that I as a christian get is that it's in the big plan of God. Figure it out all you big leaders and be forewarned.

The $100-million Mega-Mosque should not be allowed to be built in New York City, where the Muslim terrorists committed the biggest war-crime against our country. BP has just equaled the level of that crime in a different manner, but it was a major crime and will be exposed as such. But let the Muslims build their Mega-Monster-Mosque someplace that would welcome it. Say..a city named Islamabad! Islam is a religion for cavemen and should stay in the proper neighborhood!

I have a post about this disgusting plan to build a Mosqu near Ground Zero on my blog Dels Voice. Check it out. I hope you enjoy it.
http://delsvoice.blogspot.com/2010/07/fact-mosque-at-ground-zero.html
I really enjoyed your speaking out about this awful issue!
Hugs,
DeLoris

It occurs to me that the folks who perpetrated the 9-11 attack must be giddy with the outcome of their actions and of this debate stirred over their memorializing their "First" conquest of our country.

Causing this much furor and seeing us crippled by folks who claim PC motives to protect their own lack of courage, who will not stand up for what is right and take no position of mutual strength is frankly . . . appalling.

I have always respected New Yorkers for their "in your face" strength, but I am sadly watching this debacle and wondering what is really happening to these great Americans and what can I do?

I can say this; it will not be over until we all join in someway to communicate our feelings to those who are behind the curtain, pulling the levers, pushing the buttons and directing this facade of an administration to act as they are now doing, allowing open borders and quashing any backlash against Islamic fascism, by renaming it.

It is unfortunate but bears repeating ‘All that is necessary for the triumph of evil, is that good men do nothing’

Somehow we must all do something, and real soon!

No nonsense eloquence. No intellectualizing on dogmatic philosophy which postures as salvation, this gentleman is a real MAN who wants to convey the preciousness of the human being in a way Obama and his ilk simply cannot.

I live in ARIZONA and I have asked our legislators repeatedly to pass a bill that says WHERE the money comes from to build these mosques. No one sees the need - yet. Phoenix has NINE - count 'em - NINE mosques already. And over my dead body will one be built in Yavapai County.

Mr. Condell, please take the Arizona desert off your radar. Those islamo-fascists don't need to build one ANY where in our country. Saudi Arabia has plenty of desert, thank you very much.

The whole thing just makes you want to hurl.

God Bless Pat Condell. Americans need to wake up. We are good, tolerant people, maybe too tolerant. We need to be more aware of what our neighbor muslins are really up too.
This mosque is an insult!

God Bless Mr Cordell!! Let's ask him to run for President of the United States. I know foregners are not allowed, but we already have one in the White House. At least Mr Cordell has a manliness about him rather than that smug oristacrat. He has made more sence than any one of our representitives in Washington. No mosques in America any where. The Muslims are not peacefull people. If you believe that, I have a bridge in Brookland for sale at 10 cents a pound.
Signed, Realy aggrivated with the President

The mosque is the ultimate insult to all of America! Especially to those families who lost loved ones at ground zero! It’s simply disgusting. Thank you and God bless you Mr. Condell for your support and sympathy to this horrific scourge that has come to our Nation.
Signed, Disgusted Patriot

What about a Mosque for all the millions of Muslims that are good loving people. Not all people of Islam are Crazy radicals killing people. Educate yourself and understand that Islam does not promote killing anyone.

I would like to see legislation stating that the US does not consider Islam a religion. No more tax breaks or terrorist hiding behind the religion banner.

I can't believe that the American people are not aware of this happening at ground zero. This must be stopped immediately. Anyone out there with any grit to start the ball rolling on prohibiting this mosque from being built at ground zero?

That would be like us trying to put a McDonalds or Catholic Church outside of Mecca. They wouldn't allow that crap but 8k people are killed and we allow them to build a shrine to the religion that holds the smoking gun. Absolutely ridiculous.

It's Official, Mr. Condell is an honorary American, and I am writing your name in on the next presidential ballot.......Hope you win

When I first heard the speech I was inclined to accept ondell's argument, but then I had second thoughts. Haven't I seen that structure used before? He employs the same fallacy as almost all who promote prejudice. He takes the bad behavior of a few and concludes that their actions represent the group as a whole. This argument is especially seductive when the bad actors claim or appear to be operating in the name of, or on behalf of, the group.

Such demagoguery has been used to stir up prejudice against almost every ethnic or religious group, for in any statistically significant population one can always find examples to support the standard biases--violent or
lazy Blacks, greedy Jews, gangster Italians, etc. It works even when the bad behavior is not significantly more prevalent in the target group than in the general population.

Should we oppose a Christian church because some fanatics, claiming Scriptural justification, have bombed women's clinics and murdered doctors that perform abortions, or have brutalized gays ?

I suggest we use our brains rather than our guts. Shame on those who buy into this hate speech.

When I first heard the speech I was inclined to accept ondell's argument, but then I had second thoughts. Haven't I seen that structure used before? He employs the same fallacy as almost all who promote prejudice. He takes the bad behavior of a few and concludes that their actions represent the group as a whole. This argument is especially seductive when the bad actors claim or appear to be operating in the name of, or on behalf of, the group.

Such demagoguery has been used to stir up prejudice against almost every ethnic or religious group, for in any statistically significant population one can always find examples to support the standard biases--violent or
lazy Blacks, greedy Jews, gangster Italians, etc. It works even when the bad behavior is not significantly more prevalent in the target group than in the general population.

Should we oppose a Christian church because some fanatics, claiming Scriptural justification, have bombed women's clinics and murdered doctors that perform abortions, or have brutalized gays ?

I suggest we use our brains rather than our guts. Shame on those who buy into this hate speech.

Pat Condell, you're a good man but you'll never make it in politics .... you think too clearly.

I am angry at the number of people who use the word 'tolerance' to allow anything! TOLERENCE TAKEN TOO FAR IS MARTORDOM! Some of the people who frequently use this term are the sheep going to slaughter. The other faction in this group are those who are attempting to disarm public opinion and good sense by manipulating us into thinking we are wrong. Not only NO but HELL NO to a mosque at this site. And a high-rise mosque to gloat over their high-rise death and destruction, at that!

Angry also applies to the lack of news coverage. I, too, learned if this event in New York via Email from a friend. Where were the networks??? When they regurgetate every other news event by editorializing and repeating and getting every one's opinion for days, they obviously are short of news to fill air time. So why was a story this important passed over. More to the point, WHO gave the order or made the decision not to cover it and WHY???? The manipulation and covert actions in this country by our own people is as scary as the Jihad! Did the networks think the west coast would not be interested in this story or were they under orders to suppress? I was happy this a.m. to receive another Email showing the huge rally against the construction. Because of the lack of news coverage, it seemed that New Yorkers weren't too disturbed about the purposed mosque. I was delighted to see that they, indeed, are very interested and vocal.

I beleive that Muslim religion has to do with 9/11 as much as the catholics with inquisition and the protestants with the doctor's killers because they perform abortions, or jewish religion with the killings of the population of Palestine.
The mosque in NY city was giving permision for construction before 9/11.
What Obama has to do with it other that the hate that is comming from the words of the presenter? I am sick and tired of the racism in this country.

I've enjoyed camping in Death Valley for years. And Arizona has come up with some strict immigration laws. I suggest a good place for a new mosque is ON THE MOON.

I say put the towers back up . bigger & better than ever. if anyone deserves this it's the more than three thousand folks who lost their lives on 9/ 11. that mosque should not & will not be build if we as free americans stand together. we have been in many struggles over the years some we have won others have taught us a lesson. this is one we can ill afford to back down from or loose. god bless us if we do.

I have another location in mind for the Mosque, and that is simply the SUN. That way that can all burn in hell. Qucikly.

I Totally agreee and there should be an out cry of public opinion to stop this from happening.

When I am home after this current deployment, I would like to see if there is going to be a rally and protest of some kind against this. Words cannot describe the rage or disgust I feel at this atrocity. Not just as an American, but as a veteran who is now serving a second tour because of the attacks on 9/11. Absolutely disgracefull and beyond disrespectful. Obviously a decision made by politicians whom have never in their lives put on any of the uniforms of our Armed Services. And if any of these politicians have friends or family in the military or been directly affected by 9/11, they should be absolutely ashamed at the dishonor they have brought to those people. Truly sickening.

So - if they do build the mosque memorial - I guess the coming American Revolution can fly a plane into it for the supreme memorial to 9/11 and the memorial mosque.

Grow up Islam!

Unfortunately, YouTube is blocked where i live and LiveLeak does not have this video yet, but i generally agree with Mr. Condell's others essays.

People are right to be upset above a Mosque so close to ground zero, but it's likely to built nevertheless because it conforms to US law. Regardless of the moral implications, if its legal it should be built, just as many ignorant fools (some commenting here) make ridiculous, but perfectly legal, allegations against Pr. Obama. (OK, he may not be the greatest president, but could anyone be worse than the Bush clan?)

The silver lining to this ugly cloud is that this mosque would be the subject of intense attention and could alert many unaware Americans to the real nature of Islam. When people hear the hate-filled messages being delivered there it is sure to change people's minds who are now preaching "tolerance" or sitting on the fence.

I realized how dangerous Islam is when the fatwah against Salmon Rushdie was issued. A "moderate" Moslem on NPC, asked how he felt about the fatwah, hemed and hawed until he finally admitted, "Well you see the Koran is very special to us," though he said he could never murder anyone himself. IOW, "i won't do it, but i'll applaud the brave Moslem who murders Rushdie."

I live in America and I totally agree with all the comments Mr. Condell made.

It will be a HORRIBLE insult to all the innocent people who died on 9/11 and all the men and women of our armed forces, if that mosque is built near ground zero. I cannot imagine a more shameful moment for our country, than to allow that building to be put anywhere near New York City.

I also feel that if you do not like the values and beliefs our country has to offer, then you should go back to the country that you came from, read the Koran all day long and build all the Mosques you would desire to build.

Listen to the video above closely. He said "two blocks FROM ground zero." He did not say ON ground zero. Just another attempt to foment hatred and further world violence. I can do without you guys!

Wow,the hatered is frightening! We have Pat House above wanting to kill women, children and men in a house of worship because someone, maybe not even those that would be in said Mosque, wanted to build it BLOCKS from the site. When will you people let it end? Hum?
You use this instance to further YOUR agenda of hate or disaffected and sad lives and use your pick and choose bible verse mentality to use as a weapon!

We have CC above telling other Americans to "get out" of the country because they don't agree with CC(CC,its called Opinion so stop your angry diatribe and grow up please) That is just embarrassing as an American to see other American use that rhetoric and bully tactic.It's pack attack nonsense and is akin to high school politics of hate and shame.

Stop hating an entire people for the horrendous actions of some fanatics. I guess you'll go after a few church's too because some crazy Christians blew up clinics and in doing so MURDERED pregnant women that were there for ultra sounds and test? No, you guys are more focused in your delusional thinking!

Stop the hate speech, the NOT paying attention to what is said and hearing what you NEED to hear (they said a FEW BLOCKS AWAY) and stick your religious false pride out of the way! This hate will ruin this great country.What a shame.

The cat's out of the bag for the "in your face" Moslems. We know that the radicalized Moslem beliefs supercede the pacifist Moslem beliefs because they came later. The Quran reflects the need to go with the later revisions. It is necessary to know that the radical Quran, the militant Quran, the one that says in so many words, infidels who do not convert to Islam must die and other abominable notions that pertain to women, reigns supreme in the twisted minds of the Islamists, many of whom are dedicated terrorists. Lying to deceive the enemy (infidel) is encouraged and so we hear and read that we must discount notions to the contrary. 9/11 is proof of more than just hatred and treachery, it is the work of a rabid cult. I wish Rudy Guliani were still mayor. Betcha he would kibosh the mosque. It's a sure bet.

What if the construction unions in New York refused to work on this project and saw to it that no one crossed their picket lines ?

What if New Yorkers took turns picketing in front of the site, 24 - 7 ?

What if New Yorkers took a Ghandi approach and brought the financial institutions to their collective knees by staying home one day a month, in mass. That might change the way politicians view matters.

Or, maybe some good old fashion bribery to the building inspectors could create so many delays from the very start, that scheduling and budgeting would become wishful thinking.
Wouldn't it be poetic justice if after two years they were still attempting to get their foundational concrete and steel approved!

New York City is and has been a liberal haven but maybe, hopefully, these people will stop long enough to comprehend that which is about to befall them. Many of these people are liberal thinkers but one can only hope they still possess enough linear reasoning to recognize that they are about to be consumed.

From an earlier post:

People are right to be upset above a Mosque so close to ground zero, but it's likely to built nevertheless because it conforms to US law. Regardless of the moral implications, if its legal it should be built, just as many ignorant fools (some commenting here) make ridiculous, but perfectly legal, allegations against Pr. Obama. (OK, he may not be the greatest president, but could anyone be worse than the Bush clan?)

...Jimmy Carter

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How many Christians do you know personally or otherwise, who choose to be addressed and known by a Muslim name?

Name some of the past Presidents who made reference to visiting all 57 States.

In his own words, in his dubious autobiographical shrine to himself and his absent biological father, did this President describe the beauty of a religious prayer practice as being part of Christianity or the Muslim faith?

How about his apology tour of the mid east and his desire to create a " better understanding " of the Muslim world; accidental, harmless ?

If you are one of those who were force fed the pabulum of diversity at all costs above all other creeds, I can sympathize with your condition but at some time in your life you must stop long enough to question whether such thinking is an absolute truth or simply a means to disarm your survival instincts.

Islam is in direct conflict with Christianity; always has been and always will be and to ignore that REALITY is to subject yourself and those about you to conquest! How can anyone so so obtuse as not to recognize that which all the facts point to and at.

So what if the majority of Muslims wouldn't personally slit your throat; they would still sit by and watch it happen and then revel in their new position of authority and power.
It wouldn't take but a small group of terrorist to do massive damage to the citizens of this
" great satan " nation; do you think the peaceful Muslims would raise money to help build Catholic churches or reach out to any Christians with their personal wealth? Maybe a few but then they would be cast off from the " faithful ".

Stop the mosque any way possible; 10 blocks away, so be it. But never lose sight of their
stated goals and never allow politicians to silence our well founded concerns.

They may pray to their god until they are blue in the face and their knees can't take it any longer but the moment that leads to physical harm of non muslims, they must practice their faith elsewhere.

I fully agree with Pat Condell's bottomline that a Grand Mosque is an unacceptable idea and must be stopped.

My suggestion is, if the intention is to have at Ground Zero a “special place” to pray and promote religious harmony, it should be under the aegis of an organization whose basic tenant is that philosophy. Because of this reason, I do not support the “Mosque” idea however “moderate” that Muslim promoter may be ! The idea really worth a serious consideration will be a Sathya Sai Baba / Shriddhi Sai Baba set up – Go to the Home Page of the link http://www.srisathyasai.org.in/ and see the Guiding Philosophy and note that the Logo has the symbols of all major religions in it – It is not atheist and at the same time it is secular in the true sense. The predominance of Hinduism is perhaps because Hinduism is a religion that has all the attributes of total religious freedom to every individual human being of the world and the core values (preached and practiced) are as given at the top of the Home Page of the link.
Give this a serious thought ! The Head of the Baba Ashrams in USA could put in his efforts and a claim for consideration by the Committee deliberating on the issue – It will be hard to reject it and would be acceptable to all sections of Americans & the right thinking people of the world. It is NOT a “Hindu” solution but a “Universal” one.

Air Marshal (Retd) P.M.Ramachandran Indian Air Force.

well, someone’s got to do it. Those of you who send emails, don’t bother - they will not be read or responded to. I am an atheist and believe Islam AND Christianity are equally false, so this is no defense or support for Islam. I’d like to inject some critical thinking, which is always sorely lacking in matters like these.

Why is it that when some Christian nut case guns down an abortion doctor, or firebombs a black church, or commits some other unspeakable act - Christians are whip-quick to say that person wasn’t representative of the faith. They say not to judge Christianity by by a few barbaric people. (Of course, many of you reading this think killing abortion doctors is just fine, but I’ll let it pass...)

However, when a tiny percentage of a faith that includes billions of followers commits a barbarous act, you immediately blame the entire faith and everyone in it. Do you not see the obvious hypocrisy and double-standard?

Islam, like Christianity, like Judaism - like all large religions - is divided into many factions, a relative few so much in dispute that murderous results happen all the time. However, the overwhelming majority of Muslims mind their own business, disavow violence, have no dreams of violent world conquest, and are not connected to or participate in Jihad. If you have proof that more than a tiny fraction of the billions of Muslims are world-killing Jihadists, please provide the proof. The experts in this area - which do not include the likes of you - agree on this.

The claim that the mosque is intentionally planned as “conquered ground” and designed for the purpose of jamming it into the face of America lacks any proof whatsoever. There has not been one shred of evidence presented that this is the case. What there is, is hysterical people shouting “of course it’s true.” This reminds me of a lynch mob in an old Western movie. The crowd is always right (wrong!). I’m sorry, the “everyone knows it’s true” argument is unworthy of serious people debating serious things.

I don’t give a tinkers damn about one mosque more or less. We should be bigger than taking the bait, if that is what in fact is happening. Are your god and country so small and weak they cannot withstand a building?

What is a much bigger concern is how we debate and decide issues such as this. Discrimination without proof, emotion without reason, blanket charges hurled around, all diminish us. THAT is what makes us look small and weak. Defending the rule of law, not bowing to hateful screeds, is what makes America great. Lynch mobs do not.

It’s easy to mindlessly hate “the Other”. The results can be disastrous. Ask the Jews in 1930’s Germany.

Islam is a curse on humanity. Terror, killings, suffering and pain is their way of life. It's in their blood from the day they are born. Even the Saudi Arabian national flag has a sword underneath it's arabic writing- A symbol of death and destruction.

Peace loving muslims????? What a joke.

Islam is a curse on humanity. Terror, killings, suffering and pain is their way of life. It's in their blood from the day they are born. Even the Saudi Arabian national flag has a sword underneath it's arabic writing- A symbol of death and destruction.

Peace loving muslims????? What a joke.

Thank God for this British gentleman, Pat Condell! He has stated the feelings of most Christian Americans. It is disgusting that the Islam would be allowed to build a Mosque on this sacred ground zero. We can see America, as we have known it, being destroyed from within. If it is the Lord's will, it will never come to pass. But if it is built, it will not last forever!

I am reading a book entiled "A Devine Revelation of Hell" by M. K. Baxter. I suggest that every Muslim, and our elected officials read it. Time is running out!

May God Bless America, Our Troops, its Citizens, and have our Country return to a "Godly Nation"!

steve brinkman you are an idiot. history is repleat with how islam works. there is a ton of proof about cordoba.

what i just read from your post is nothing but propoganda and lies. you are enabling the muzzies in their conquest of the world. and you just listened to a man who experienced what islam is doing. you want "expert", listen to those who have been affected by islam and not a bunch of academics who live insulated from the real world.

islam was founded on violence. it was founded by a murderous pedophile. people like steve brinkman are either to stupid to see the truth or they are plants, hoping for islams world domination.

islam was founded after judaism and christianity. this country was founded on juseo/christian beliefs. there was not one muzzie that fought for this countries independence from england. they have no business being here. and their stooges like brinkman should go to saudi arabia and live there for no less than one year and "experience" islam at its finest.

steve brinkman, why is it that christians and jews and hindus and buddists can all live in peaceful coexistance? why is it that the only "religion" that espouses violence is islam? you are blinded by your supposed superior attitude that automatically dismisses religion and those who believe in religion. you are an arrogant elitist who is following the agenda of karl marx and who is to stupid to see you are enabling islam in its conquest of the world. you are part of the problem.

and just for your info, i have lived among the muzzies. so i have "experience" from which to speak unlike you.

Dear Pat condell,
please remove your head from your ass

I think it is only fair that they be able to build this mosque - immediately after there are synagogues and cathedrals built in Mecca, Medina, Jiddah, Ryahd, and Sa'naa.

Steve Brinkhoff,

As you profess to be an atheist, I was curious about your point of view. What I read was childish at best and with your comment "Are your god and country so small and weak they cannot withstand a building?”. That is a stereo typical liberal argument; belittle/embarrass your audience instead of discussing your views. Your argument above sums down to "Is your body so weak that it can not withstand a single cancer cell?".

Radicalism is a cancer and it loves to feed on PC.

Pat Condell says it well Michael Bloomberg has his head up his ass. (and so does this commenting mental midget Jacob Whiteley).

The reality is that Islam supports Jihad by failing to condemn it, and I for one declare war against all aspects of Islam until its peaceful claims and its proponents choose to vocally and vociferally separate themselves from every concept of Jihad.

There is no place for this level of hate on earth. But as long as it is here, it should be answered aggressively.

PS: Good luck with the 3 stooges in Washington: Squirelly, Harry and BO

Whoa...great speech until he suggested sending the propaganda puppets for the murdering Muslims to Arizona. Neither our governor nor our people will roll over for the murderers or their apologists. And unlike the disarmed victims who populate New York, we're armed and free.

Ok, so I totally agree that this is a insensitive idea-but I also have to say I am not convinvced at the originators of the demise of the towers. Just think a min before you go all huffety. "If" there were weapons of mass destruction, wouldnt that time have been the best time to use them? after all you dont keep them for Sunday best do you?
Just had to throw that in there.

Before anything will change, or indeed your opinions be heard for that matter the United States needs to behave just as that United,-for at the moment it is not. It is more like 50 plus small countries operating with their own individual laws/rules. This country needs to unite, the goverment needs to tell the truth and the news need to report facts, and facts that occur outside the US coastline-cause yes people there is a big world out there and sadly alot though not all people are ignorant to this.

People generally are to happy to hop on board the "witch hunt" because someone else said so but they have not thought things through themselves and that is a shame. So people you need to research, form your own opinions because through this act you will become united and strong.

Seriously...?
Have we became so mundane to believe such hypocracy? Have we lost all fervor in life to feel as though if it is not my religion it is wrong? May I remind anyone who is shaking in their boots that this is America! America! The melting pot of this world. The melting of different people,cultures,religions,ideas. Islam did not bomb the World Trade Center. True Muslims bombed the WTC, but these were radicals. Terrorism is not limited to any one religion. What religion was Timothy McVeigh, David Coresh, the UnaBomber, Hitler?

Building a mosque near ground zero is no more disrespectful than the post office eliminating home delivery one day a week. Seriously people, wake up!

Obama's war on America? Give me a break! Our president had nothing to do this. Our president is American and Christian just like all of you. Give up the fact that he is black for a moment and recognize that he is the best suited person for the job.

Take a deep breath with me. Now exhale. Do you really feel less secure with Barack Obama as your president that George W. Bush? The only reason you are afraid of this whole mosque thing is because Bush led with fear and developed fear within you. Breathe. Peace is coming.

CANADA LOVES YOU PAT!!!!!!!!!!!

AMEN.

Pat has apparently not been to the Arizona desert or Death Valley National Park. I am a New Yorker (West NY, *U*S*A*) and love the Arizona desert and Death Valley National Park. They are incredibly beautiful. These places are as inappropriate for mosque building as Ground Zero.

I love this guy ... he says it like it is. I just cannot imagine WHY New York would even THINK of placing a mosque at Ground Zero.

Although, looking at it from the 'big picture', I can see where putting a mosque at that location could be construed as an apology of sorts, or even a blessing of contrition from the so called 'religion of peace' movement. There are always two sides to every story, right ?

Alas, I am merely human, .. my vote is for NO MOSQUE.

I am reading a great and disturbing book called "Cruel and Unusual Punishment" by Nonie Darwish, published in '08 I believe. She grew up in a Muslim household in Egypt and had to leave the country to marry an Egyptian Coptic Christian; she also had become a Christian in the interim.

She describes the intent of Islam as the complete hijacking of the government in every country in which Muslims live, and supports this argument very well. Check out the book if you're concerned about this - which obviously we all are.

Pat Condell is absolutely right in just about everything he says on this and similar situations - and they should be fought against as was done in the UK.
However, it should always be in the context of the times we live in, which are generally accepted (although not by all) as being the times of the end (of the age, not the world) spoken of by Jesus, Paul, John, Peter Daniel and many othere OT prophets.
Is such evil as Pat speaks of not to be expected. Why should we be surprised? Cannot these things be considered as part of God's permissive will, as His end time agenda unfolds for the coming of Christ for a second time to this each?
Yes, stand against these things - but remember the context of the times in which we live. One day, when He comes, all this will not matter. As Daniel says, "And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everylasting life, Some to shame and everylasting contempt". (Daniel 12:2)
Ken Walker, Good News Australia

It's good to hear someone speak up against Islam. Seems the west does everything possible not to offend any minority. My opinion is that Islam itself is a terrorist cult. After 9/11 how many Islamic leaders in the western countries stood up and condemned those responsible for bringing down the towers. I heard none, did you? Islam has ruined many European countries both financially and morally and are starting the same in the US and Canada. I'm a Canadian and tired of our politicians catering to these people just to get their vote and that's the only reason. We don't have one politician taking a stand in this country and doing what's right. You have to give the Prime Minister of Australia a thumbs up. To build a six story mosque near ground zero is Islam flipping the bird at the US. My daughter in-law teaches school here in Canada and when the towers came down several of her pupils (Muslims) stood up and cheered in class. So don't tell me it's only a few radicals in favour of ruining our way of life.

Bravo Mr. Condell and thamk-you from America. I pray we wake up. Cheers and Peace to you

Right on Mr. Condell, unfortunatly we are no longer The United States of America, we have become The United Nations of America. Sooo sad. Why? because our Congreemen and Senator's are to busy with their greed, they let all of our jobs leave the country and refuse to pay taxes. Their greed along with their no longer caring about their country has turned our country on it's heel's,it's sooo sad. Nothing surprises me anymore,our government won't even enforce our laws, when it comes to big business being able to hire slave labor. Sooo sad.
Mamie

Pat is not only dead-on in his assessment of the Muslim world's distorted way of thinking and acting, but sheds incredible light on America's "blindness" to being FAR too tolerant in the name of "PC", rather than safeguarding it's law abiding decent citizens from the very terroists who are almost certainly funding this unbelievably insulting and degrading example of politicians gone crazy! WAKE UP AMERICA.....before it's too late! DEMAND this never happen, and DO IT now!!! Contact Obama and make damn sure he knows how YOU feel!

I agree! We are losing everything we have fought for for many years.
marilyn

What an ass! He is saying the Muslim faith is responsible for the attacks on 911 !?! Gad, how unbelievably absurd, and what a bunch of idiots on this blog. You people who believe this and think this is an accurate commentary deserve to be fighting, killing and dying in a continuous battle with other religions forever - which is probably where you will end up. Muslims probably had as much to do with 911 as Christians, or so-called ones. Wow, how ignorant & uninformed. Why would anyone think the Muslim religion was responsible for 911 ?? From the "official report" from the Bush administration??? Good grief. Yeh, and we invaded Iraq to get those guys too. . . . right.. You guys get all excited - ready to fly into a rage at anyone - just like the idiot mobs in the movies - unbelievable! Get a little informed.

question to the brit, what's your take on what israel is doing to the palestinians? don't want to touch that, at least not with honest facts. why, because of the money, you moron, stay out of our mess over here, get some braces for you and your family, talk about your dole system, but don't try to get into our problems unless you take a look at the other side. here's a blog that always gets deleted, what's your take on what's going on in our, and your country with jewish people? do you ever put any blame on them?

I worked at a country club in south florida where a rabbi was the guest of honor. After dinner they asked all the employees to leave the room when the rabbi was to speak. Trying to finish up my job, I remained in the room behind a divider and was shocked at what I heard the rabbi telling the large audience. He said try as much as possible to only do business with jewish people...he said this will help "us" thrive here in the USA and help with the prosperity of Israel. He repeated how important it was for them to back anything jewish so that they would continue to succeed here and abroad. It made me sick, this religious leader was so selfish, he obviously didn't care about the USA, just jewish citizens and Israel. And then he said the words that scarred me for life: "Jews Are Superior"! This is what is wrong with our country people, jewish people in general are being told this by their religious leaders and that is how they feel, which leads to Israel/Jewish citizens first, Americans as a whole second, and who really cares about the rest of the world. This is what people mean when they say jewish people have an agenda! Well enough is enough, open your eyes, this is our government, corporations, and media. Research who is mainly in charge? I'm sure many have attended similar meetings to the one I heard by mistake, but don't ever forget, we are THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, not Israel, dont ever forget!!

This man is extremely stupid. Not only that, his extremeism ranks alongside of those he pilaries. He seems to forget that, as Christians, we are responsible for most of the terorism perpetrated in recent history. To send aeroplanes without warning into a country you are not at war with and kill thousands of innocent civillians is clearly an act of atrocity but in 1986 this is what the US airforce did. Why is it OK for us but wrong when somebody else does it? It is not Islam, neither is it Christianity, it is something endemic within the human psyche and we are the worst offenders. WW1 - Christians, WWII - Christians, the only atomic bombs dropped in anger - Christians, genocide of millions of innocents in Australia, America, India and Africa not to mention the slaughter of 6,000,000 Jews - all carried out by Christians. We arrived in every corner of the world, killed them, gave them our religion and built our churches. Of course these extremist Muslims are scum but they do not represent Islam any more than the Nazis represented Christianity. When it come to crimes against humanity, they're not in our league.

Once again, as always, our current crop of political leaders BELONG in jail, the term is Treason. VERY SERIOUS. 150-200 sent to the big house, general population big house, would send the message WE THE PEOPLE are no longer going to stand for this BS. Any of it. The obfuscation and manipulation of the "LAW", the redistribution of wealth schemes, tampered with juries and color of law guilt verdicts, the illegal Federal Reserve and IRS scams are only the tip of the iceberg. These "people" belong in prison. Make me the Governor of Colorado and every current representative would not be able to set foot in the state without an arrest warrant being served. And I would be just warming up.
Scumbag lawyers and judges would be VERY high on the list.
Rant over, feel much better now.

To Yamr1mikeo - I think you're missing the point. You seem to think that Islam as a religion is resposible for the attacks. It isn't. Terrorists are responsible. My point is that we are all guilty of the same crimes. Were the Japanese offended when the Americans moved in after the war and built churches over graves in Hiroshima and Nagasaki? People who live in glass houses.....

When I listen to this, two things immediately come to mind. (1) It was Islam that built a mosque at the site of the Jewish temple in Jerusalem after Muhammed defeated Israel. That mosque will be the cause of Armagedon when the Jews destroy it to rebuild their temple. It should surprise no one that Islam has no regard for any consecrated ground. They have no regard for life.

(2) If a mosque is built on the site near ground zero, will it be a surprise to anyone when it is blown up just like the attempts by Isalm to destroy the United Nations building and twice attempting to blow up the World Trade Center, which they successfully did. Make no mistake, if this should come to pass, it will be just a matter of time before this mosque is
"taken down." And the New York police and fire departments will be the ones called to risk their lives to try to save this cause.

Perfect comments "Steve." The Muslim religion is no more responsible for 911, (if Moslims were even involved - more than as fall guys), than Christians are responsible for the liberal, socialist, fascist, power grabbing & abusing, nation exploiting, leader assassinating, country invading, civilian slaughtering, economy manipulating, wealth confiscating, scum that are governing this country. Yes, it is the FED, BIS, ECB, World Bank, that are running most of the world, orchestrating the wars and propagating policy to conditioning people to lean on the government(s) for most everything, - allowing them (the Banks through the governments) to take ever greater control -- that we must get rid of. Attention to anything else is a waste of time & resources. And yes, it would be fine, a good thing, if the Muslims want to build a Mosque at the Towers site - we accepting this showing our acceptance / love(Christian) to all, and demonstrating the true faith - substance / backbone, etc., - the most important elements of any people - the foundation of this country and reason we have been the main standard for the world. And if we could get most of our troops home (quit wasting so so much in lives, resources, etc.) - quit the exploitation, bullying, invading / occupying, destroying of other countries - so that we can live high on the hog, spending billions on entertainment, etc., maybe people from these other countries, even the extremists, might not be so motivated to attack us; and if we were not wasting our economic and military might so much around the world, we could have so much more strength in our defense - borders, etc., that others would be much less willing to risk a battle with us (militarily, ecomonically or politically).

In the Koran the act of Al-taqiyya or lying to non-Muslims is considered to be a good work. So whatever they have to say to convince you their intentions are honorable they will. And they are doing just that in NY. The fundamentalist Muslim will say anything to get close enough to drive a dagger into you heart.

I think someone ought to wait until it is almost completed and then blow it up, while it's unoccupied, of course. My heart won't let me wish harm for anyone. But, each time they start rebuilding it near the "Ground Zero" sight, it ought to be blown up, let them come close to completion each time and then blow it up again!!! They will soon get the idea!!!
Where is our democracy, "for the people"???? What people are they for?? only the foreigner's for all I can tell!!!

And lets not forget the Flight 93 Memorial has Islamic attributes ( A GIANT RED ISLAMIC CRESCENT ) and points to Mecca. And you would think that might be enough.

Yeh, you guys just keep that attitude - blow up everything you can - and see where that takes you. Go to almost any country in the world and the average / common people will treat you as good as they have means, but where our military has been for a few years, there you better be careful. Yeh, just keep blowing up everything you can - and support this lying corrupt government we've had for a few decades (gov't of the bankers) and maybe you can get to be the instigators for a full out world war - gain the blood of a few million people on your hands - and set everything back a few hundred years. Yeh, be real proud to have promoted that kind of attitude.

Here is a little of many descriptions of who you are obeying - an excerpt from (the end) here: http://news.goldseek.com/GoldSeek/1280153340.php

They are liars, frauds and thieves, and they are trying to reduce the American people to the status of serfs so that a collection of rich riff-raff can live off the product of their labor. That, by the way, is the explanation for the “taxpayer” bailout of Wall Street in 2008. The normal method of robbing you by having the Fed counterfeit money was too slow for the establishment crisis of that year. So they just went in and took it.

They want you to become like the medieval serf so that they can steal the product of your labor any time they like. The serf, of course, did not have democracy. His only recourse was to grab his pitchfork and confront his feudal lord by sheer numbers. (Neither was the 2008 Wall Street bailout ever paid back, as you are being told. What happened was that the slower process of having the Fed steal from you via the counterfeiting of money went to work in ’08 and ’09, and the Wall St. firms were able to pay back their “loans” from the Government with the money made for them by the Fed. That is, they stole from you in ’08, disguised as a loan, and then “repaid” the loans in ’09 and ’10 with more money stolen from you. If you buy these lies, you are on your way to becoming a modern serf. Not only will your life be wretched, not only will the paper aristocracy be able to steal from you any time it feels the need but you will have the added disgrace of having given up your liberty when you had received it as a gift (from the Founding Fathers).

The practice Policical Correctness is absolutely the demise and downfall of America. PC is like a cancer killing its host. When will peolpe stand against it? If Americans continue to be PC, then they will be destroyed, which is what Jihad hopes for. Wake Up Americans!!!

The prophecies in the Bible have been, or will be fulfilled - Because these are Biblical prophecies they are fact and will occur.
Psalm 83 and Ezekiel 38-39 are prophecies yet to be fulfilled, and a study of these shows Islam is not a world dominating religion at the time of its destruction.
The Islamic nations adjacent to Israel are prophesied to be destroyed by the Israeli armed forces in Psalm 83. Subsequent to this the Islamic nations in the area, but not adjacent to Israel, will be destroyed by supernatural means in Ezekiel 38-39, along with Gog of Magog (which we believe to be Russia) at the time of her invasion of Israel.
The western nations are seen to be a separate political entity in Ezekiel 39:6 but will become involved in the conflagration of the Magog invasion.
Islam is spreading its terror throughout the world but is not seen as a world dominating power in Biblical prophecy.
We can therefore look to Israel (and hopefully the western nations) saying ‘enough is enough’ and dealing with Islamic terror in strength and with justifiably destructive force.

I am an american,Ive severed my country,Ihave done my part for society,and i
pay my taxes.I truly do not understand why the american appointed(elected) politicians are being allowed to get away
with the total destruction of the american way.it seems to me that the people of islam in today's society are very much so
still at war with all religion that is not islam.we are inviting the enemy into our homes and have the audacity to
belive that they are not going to attack us when we are at our
weakest moments.I would like to personally thankyou for taking
the time to see what is really going on in this country.just as europe needed america's help in WWII,we will without a doubt need the help of europe and is people to win this war that america is inviting into its open arms.thank you very much.please keep fighting the good fight.

This just isn't right.If any politican has any Balls they will not let this happen

Wow. Bigotry ain't just for Americans anymore. "the religion that murdered them". that's so brilliant.

I know - let's make a Church of America, and disallow all other religions - that's what our founding fathers fought the British for!

It was religious extremism that acted on 9/11 - lets not encourage it by throwing our values under the bus as soon as someone wants to build a place of worship. We ought to be stronger than that.

The fact that anyone in this country, (America) can condone the building of this mosque is unforgivable. This is a BLATANT screw-you, to all americans who have lost loved ones on 9/11. I am a fireman who worked "The pile" at ground zero immediately after the disaster, and for days after that. I am so sick of self serving politicians,from washington on down to the local level. These cowards know this is wrong, but the fear of not appearing "Politically Correct" has left them castrated.
To even have this issue as a talking point, is showing how close america as a nation, is to being flushed down the toilet.

I think it is sad if our country allows that religious group (if you even call them a religion) to build a mosque so close to the ground zero area! You can count on my signature to vote against this happening, if you need it let me know. We need to strengthen the moral values and ethics in this country. A few voices can't do much, but thousands of voices can accomplish so much more. This matter will be in my prayers. God Bless!

You know, us old guys remember things that the youngies seem to have forgotten (or maybe were never told about).
Like, the last time this country was involved in a sneaky cowards attack, our young men demanded we destroy the cowardly enemy. They lined up blocks deep to enlist and go fight for their country. They didn't wimp around wondering if it woukd be "politically correct" to fight back and destroy the SOB's. They lined up to do it. And our President got up in front of all of the Congress and asked for a declaration of war. And we didn't seem to care if there were people in that other country who did not want the war and the sneak attack. After all, they had allowed their country to sneak in and kill many Americans with no warning. It was a slap in the face no self respecting American would tolerate.
I sure hope this isn't the "change" some people wanted.

Sure, if a religion promoted the killing or hurting of others for any reason other than in their own defence, any decent people would not want to associate with them, if not try to keep them under control - after a good attempt to determine the reasons for, and to change their destructive attitude, but to fly off half cocked on a rampage against a religion just because some radicals who may be considered to be associated with that religion did some nasty things (even tho they may believe they are just defending themselves & others) is really idiotic - even downright evil.

Those faithless, arrogant, bigots who oppose anyone to build a mosque - place of worship, are the ones leading the flushing of America down the toilet. Geesh, I cannot believe the number of uninformed idiots on here blaming the Muslim religion for the attacks of 911 - especially as there is considerable evidence that Bin Laden (not even a true Muslim) was just a figure head - a fall guy.

‘Faithless, arrogant, bigoted, uninformed idiot’ seems an image of the one using such vehement language against others who desire only to express a natural disgust for evil.
Such language also shows the user to have no understanding of the fundamentals of Islam, or if he does, is in support of those fundamentals, or so terrified of them he wishes to placate their adherents.
World dominion is a fundamental of Islam and by the sword if necessary. It would seem from the brutality of Islam’s front line troops, to be the preferable means.
Domination has been the fundamental of all despotic rulers be they political or religious. History attests to this fact all too clearly, a fact that Neville Chamberlain found out, along with the error of placating evil, in 1939.

Are the people of New York City such cowards as to allow the mayor to side with those terrorist who killed 2,751 innocent people at the World Trade Center on Sept. 11, 2001.
And to top it all off he and the president are willing to let those terrorist to desecrate that ground by building a 13 story mosque which will be the western Mecca.

This is not religious tolerance but stupidity plain and simple. If you think it will just end there, you are sadly mistaken. Why not wise up not only New Yorkers but Americans and stop this madness right now and take back our country while we can.

Listen to this very wise man, Pat Condell because he is telling it like it is. If you think he is wrong, get an Quran and see for yourself.

it is a shame on how true it is if we dont stop it what will be next i have friends that lost there lives there dont fe its right its like he said about burning are flag on there grave it needs to be stop and only we have the power PEACE AND AMEN

Politicians, for some strange reason think they know what their people want, they bend over backwards to not offend people and yet, thats what they do all of the time.
Why not look after our own people, our own countryman our own faith's by which our countries were built upon.
Polititicans make decisions based on their limp-wristed opinion (normally they are weak, and answerable to the 'pen pushers, the 'do-gooders' thinking they will earn extra 'browny points' for whatever reason).
We need strong leaders to stand their ground and say 'enough is enough'! Stop political correctness. I am sure there will be plenty of support for this concept. I have seen enough cultural diversity, so much so, I don't know who I am anymore, my country inheritance, my culture has been diluted so much so, I now fear for my children's cultural inheritance.... where is it...? How do we jusify the loss to our own identity to our offspring?

Regardless of the agenda of the Muslim religion, they probably had little to do with 911. It's the banksters - FED, ECB, BIS, World Bank, who are in control - inciting the conflicts, orchestrating the wars - want the masses of the world - the different religions & groups to be hating and fighting each other. And to get upset about the building of a Mosque, is obediently following their agenda. Those on here blaming Muslims for 911 are likely part of, or employed by that group - to provoke more hatred, etc. That is not the Christian way.

Evidence of this is widely available, here is one outstanding documentary - history of money & banking, - how they gain control and rule the governments (clearly now dismantling the constitution - the most brilliant document safeguarding freedoms ever). The economic manipulation, exploitation of people & countries, then invasions, wars, etc., are outgrowths of this power hungry (godless, faithless) entity:

Click, or paste in browser address line (long, but fascinating & critical / essential education):

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-515319560256183936#

The best any individual can do is to love his neighbor - the only way to defeat evil. All violence / military should be used only in defense, when attacked - NOT for invading, like the banksters have the U.S. doing now.

This is just one more thing to show how politically correct this country has become. I am surprised by the failure from politicians to speak out on what should be regarded as a big f@ck you to the memory of all those innocent Americans that were killed that day.

If you believe the official story of 911, you'd be pretty pissed off about this mosque. However, this is just a distraction for the masses.

By far the best articulated support to deny this atrocity. What happened to 'NEVER FORGET" WHERE HAVE ALL THE FLAGS GONE" Wake up people, read all the facts. If they cannot beat us by terrorist acts, they will do it by occupation.

As Pat said do you think this was just a coincidence in selecting this site near our World Trade Center. NOTE "WORLD" not NY. We represent all of the globe. The next thing they will want is loudspeakers on the roofs of all of their hideouts, so we can all hear the call to prayer 5 times a day. That will sound great in lower Manhattan.

They cannot build this disgrace if people stand up. Steelworkers, masonary workers, electricians, plumbers, ALL union workers. We must continue to fight this effort to ram Jihad down our throat. IN UNITY there is strength.

The spineledd politicians, are afraid to stand up, so they stand behind religious equality and political correctness. Remember this the in November when you vote.

Pray for our troops in the middle east, fighting this cause. God Bless and protect America

Pat expresses it well!!

I was horrified when I heard the news of a mosque being built on Ground Zero and I live on the West Coast.
I wish America would wake up. It is a slap in the face to all who died and survived the 9/11 atrocity. It is also a slap in the face to all who are true Americans!!
Thank you Pat for expressing what millions are thinking.
Bobbi

Well I guess the idea of placing a Mosque at Ground Zero in New York to honour the people killed in the horrific attack on 9/11 would be like having a giant swastika placed in the center of the capital of Israel! I seems to be the same politically correct obtuse logic. I mean would not the victims of the death camps, especially the Jewish people murdered there, be as honoured? For God sake.....WAKE UP!!!!

Perhaps it would be a great idea to also place towering 100 foot statues of both Emperor Hirohito and Admiral Yamamoto on either side of the USS Arizona Monument in Pearl Harbour Hawaii to honour those killed there! What are these fools in New York thinking, and just why are the people of New York allowing such madness to pollute the Big Apple!

Mosque At Ground Zero, July 14, 2010

Most were aware of the controversy that occurred in New York City over whether a mosque and Muslim community center should be allowed to be built at Ground Zero. My answer is as follows:
From their actions, it would appear that Muslims lack any feelings of remorse for their abominable maneuver, or they are throwing this Mosque in our face as a symbol of (we fucked you once, we fuck you again) contempt. For this manipulation, as a freedom loving American, I say, they should pick up their theistic book and quickly, quietly and with reverence for American hospitality, go back to where they came from.

Bill Maher has the correct idea on handling this situation since our "leaders" have already done enough harm to OUR country !
Just let the American people vote on this... we are a democracy, are'nt we ? Get our servicemen & women home to protect their own country & let them also have a choice in this matter .
Obama should just move to his Muslim country & leave ours alone. He is a TRAITOR & should be dealt with as such! People of the UNITED STATES,PLEASE,UNITE & take back our country before it's too late. Let's clean up this mess by getting rid of (by impeachment) All the political morons we have let lead this country on a road to ruin.
I would like people to read the Left Behind book series & compare it to whats now happening.

A fitting URL to access this site would be GodBlessAmerica.com.......

GODBLESSAMERICA!

A-men!!

First they fouled up our water, and now another Brit is stinking up our air.

How pathetic.

Thumbs up for Pat....Goes to show that our government cares nothing for the american people. They are out to help everyone else, with our hard earned money and frankly I am about sick of it all. I am seriously thinking about moving out of this country and into maybe Canada. At least they help their own first. If Pat ran for president tomorrow I wouldn't hesitate to vote for him, provided I still live here. I knew noone personally killed on 9/11 and for that I am greatful, but my heart goes to all those devastated families. Its sad to say, but this is only the beginning and our government is going from bad to worse. I have always been a proud american but am quickly becomming a disillussioned one. It's a sad state when you can not trust your government.

It only shows his complete ignorance of the facts, the real religion, and that there are good teachings and bad ones, same as in every other religion. Instead, he has chosen to lump them together without first finding out the truth before he opens his mouth. "Put your car in gear before you step on the gas," Another example of what I really find disgusting --JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS. ---REMEMBER THAT THOSE THAT DO ARE 99.9% WRONG ALWAYS. To start with he should look at the film "The Message" starring Anthony Quinn. It has been confirmed by both major sects as being accurate. Next he should read both of the Try The Truth books all the way through--without jumping to conclusions in the middle.

Then he can ask me why they chose to build the mosque in that spot. If he thinks that his religion, whatever it is, is so perfect and so great, then he sould not be afraid.
If he wants to know what is my religion, he should read the two books, TRY THE TRUTH. He will learn more about his own religion, whether inherited or chosen, than he ever knew and what he learns will make him respect it more. He will learn about many other religions a well and how they all teach the same. Human corruption of the religions is what causes wars, etc.

Absolutely brilliant!
Bravo!