Saudi cleric behind adult-suckling fatwa is "adviser to the royal court and consultant to the Ministry of Justice"

More on this story. Of course, it bears repeating as often as possible that this was Muhammad's idea. And it sure is funny how "misunderstanders" of Islam in various ways keep popping up in such high places. "Saudi clerics issue fatwa okaying adult breast-feeding as way of circumventing Islamic law," by Paulina Reso for the New York Daily News, June 9 (thanks to Ted):

Kissing cousins? Not quite.

Gross.

While it has been common for women to breast-feed their young male relations so that they may be allowed together alone later, two Saudi clerics recently advocated extending the practice to unrelated adult males.
As part of Islamic law, men and women are forbidden to be alone together, unless they are blood relatives or have established maternal relations, in order to prevent sexual contact.
As a way to avoid breaking this rule -- which can result in lashings or prison time -- Sheikh Al Obeikan, adviser to the royal court and consultant to the Ministry of Justice, told Gulf News that women should give their breast milk to male colleagues, acquaintances or anyone with whom they come into regular contact.
"The man should take the milk, but not directly from the breast of the woman," Al Obeikan said, according to Gulf News. "He should drink it and then becomes a relative of the family, a fact that allows him to come in contact with the women without breaking Islam's rules about mixing."
While Al Obeikan advises that milk should be pumped and then given in a glass, another Saudi sheik, Abi Ishaq Al Huwaini, argues that men should suckle directly.

To our You Can't Make This Stuff Up Department: Take the rest of the day off, you've been through enough.

Soon after these proclamations, a Saudi bus driver allegedly asked a female teacher, whom he drives frequently, for her breast milk, according to AOL News. The teacher refused and is threatening to sue.
This fatwa, which has sparked controversy and disapproval, has prompted some to call for stricter constraints on law making.
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Between this guy and Fethullah Gulen's (of Pennsylvania and Turkey) jinns-and-sorcery brand of Islam, does it seem to anyone else that we've wandered off into some weird Alice in Wonderland fantasy? Maybe what Islam needs is for Tim Burton to direct...

They could sell their milk on Craigslist.

Been there. Done it. (not me personally)

Those clever Islamic clerics.

Apparently Allah, in his super-cool unfetteredness, is also quite daft as to not be able to see through the ruse of this fatwa as being a blatant end-around on shariah law.

Just when we think these morons couldn't be more depraved, they give us the dry heaves again with this noncompoopery.

Oops... nincompoopery.

As a kid I used to read Mad magazine. Now I just follow the antics of the muhammadan myrmidons.

It's a mad, mad, mad, muhammadan world.

While Al Obeikan advises that milk should be pumped and then given in a glass, another Saudi sheik, Abi Ishaq Al Huwaini, argues that men should suckle directly.


HEY DAWGS,

Give it up for Abi Ishaq Al Huwaini!!!

The first sentence of the story should be bolded for emphasis:

"While it has been common for women to breast-feed their young male relations so that they may be allowed together alone later..."

One assumes the reporter is not being sloppy, and accurately reported that as breast-feed (and not the rule of the fatwa -- "[t]he man should take the milk, but not directly from the breast of the woman"). This means it's common in Saudi (and probably generally in Muslim) society for male cousins and nephews qualified as "young" to suck on their breasts. And how "young" is "young"? Are we talking teenage boys? Even if not teenage, it's sick. Yet another aspect of the perversion of Muslim society, and a glimpse into the strange psyche of the Muslim male in his relationship to the female sex. Some Freudian should really study Muslim sexuality in all its grotesque permutations.

These morons following a moron writing a moronic book give only moronic advice!!!!

Morons rules supreme in morondoms(Muslim paradises)

Hang on a second. Let's examine that first sentence again:

"While it has been common for women to breast-feed their young male relations so that they may be allowed together alone later..."

I thought that according to Islamic law, a woman can be with men as long as those men are already blood relations. So why would she have to suckle them in the first place? If accurate, this means that it's not merely "common" -- it is Islamically de rigueur.

Some Freudian should really study Muslim sexuality in all its grotesque permutations.
--Hesperado

Interesting comment. I have an Arabic language series of workbooks from Saudi Arabia (for kids) and the first thing that struck me was that the illustrations of the masjids (mosques) look like engorged sexual organs. Pink, bulbous,phallic, nipple-topped.

In the United States we have vast "Got Milk" campaigns, where boys are promised they will grow up to be big and strong and attract girls, and girls are told they will grow up to be beautiful, and with a healthy glow, if they Get That Milk.

And in Saudi Arabia, women are told that if they squeeze their own breast milk into bottles, and send it around to all of their family's male acquaintances and friends (why, your husband can bring a bottle to work, and distribute it to his fellow male workers) then later on, the woman in question can meet, without any fear of arousing suspicion or scorn, with all the men who have tasted that milk.

What's the difference? As any Defender of Islam who comes to this site can tell you, there is no difference at all. In both cases, milk performs a useful social role.

To think otherwise would be to show that one has culture-bound blinkers on, and to invite ridicule. Why, next you'll be saying that women should not be required to wear black chadors or abayas or niqabs in the 120 degree heat of Arabia and Iran. But just think -- would such a rule, outwardly so counter-intuitive, ever have been made by Muslim Arabs if, given how excruciatingly hot such clothes must be in the Middle East, unless there were a very good reason for it, and the only good enough would be if Allah wanted it thus.

So on the subject of that breast-milk, please don't be so judgmental.

Don't be lactose intolerant.

So this why all those muslimas are called UM.


uh, huh! I get it, finally!

This is unfair to women who are not lactating...Besides when Mahound was advocating suckling, he probably was not talking about drinking milk...But maybe he was, he had an strong interest in body fluids, primarily his own and those of camels...

"So this why all those muslimas are called UM."

That refers to the Ummary Glands.

UM to the whole UMMA

the brilliance of the cult structure to incestualize (is there a better word?) the umma

Bizarro-World indeed. But I think other-worlders like me really do not quite understand the sexual excitement when enhanced by muslim segregation in general and Saudi in particular.
All men become 14-year-olds under such conditions, is it a wonder they behave childish? Had I a daughter in a muslim country I too would guard her well unless the surroundings were very secure. Viz all that talk about "brother" and "sister" among puritans.

Good Lord. We in the civilized world need to point at these backward, superstitious savages, and laugh them off the planet. If only it were that easy.

Sometimes, as here, Islam is just dumb. I do prefer dumb to violent though. Just for the record.

This is unfair to women who are not lactating...

Where would you find one of those in Saudi Arabia?

As long as there's always some kind of nursing going on, you can keep your milk forever. They could be lactating like an Angus for 30-40 years, easy.

Maybe you're referring to women who have had mastectomies. Oh, wait, they're not allowed to talk about breast cancer, too embarrassing, so better just to let those women go.

This closely parallels the Muslim complaint not to associate FGM with Islam. "It's cultural," we're told.

What a weak, impotent religion you must have, with a weak, conscience-less ummah, if a simple little "cultural" practice is insurmountable by Islam's adherants. If it's cultural, why, the all powerful Islam should be able to demand that injury to females is anathema and it should never be done again, on pain of shunning by one's neighbors, etc.

But Islam can't do that, can they? Because, like adult-suckling (oh.my.God.), it is ideology-based, incorporated and stolen like every other "religious practice" Islam has co-opted.

Remember this when Muslims say "It's cultural". Then put a stop to it. So was slavery, and Christians on the whole didn't find any problem with its eventual eradication, even arguing so on religious grounds.

O.T. perhaps, but we are on the subject of milk:

As I understand Islamic teaching, a man who has sex with a goat or sheep is not allowed to eat the flesh of that animal; he must sell it to someone else.
So my question to all the imams out there is: Can he drink the milk of a ewe or nan with which he's had sex? And can he eat cheese made from such milk? Or do those things,too, have to be sold to someone else?
An inquiring mind wants to know.

At many websites you can find a discussion of matters related to sex and eating (and when you can eat the animal with which you have had various kinds of sexual relations) as explained in detail by that learned Shi'a theologian, the Ayatollah Khomeini.

Here, for example, is what can be found at www.uncoverage.net:


The leader of the Iranian Revolution in 1989, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, wrote extensively on Islamic Jurisprudence. A two-volume book, which was published originally in Arabic, was called ‘Tahrir al Wasilah’. Translated into Farsi, the book is called “Tahrirolvasyleh.” (read entire text here.) Khomeini also had another treatise on Islamic rules for living, called in English, “The Little Green Book.” (see entire text here.)
It is useful to understand what an esteemed Islamic leader such as the Ayatollah teaches his followers.

Here are some excerpts from “Tahrirolvasyleh” which Muslims probably don’t want you to know about Islam:

A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate vaginally, but sodomising the child is acceptable. If a man does penetrate and damage the child then, he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl will not count as one of his four permanent wives and the man will not be eligible to marry the girl’s sister… It is better for a girl to marry at such a time when she would begin menstruation at her husband’s house, rather than her father’s home. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven. ["Tahrirolvasyleh", fourth edition, Qom, Iran, 1990]

A man can have sex with animals such as sheep, cows, camels and so on. However, he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village, but selling the meat to a neighbouring village is reasonable.

If one commits the act of sodomy with a cow, a ewe, or a camel, their urine and their excrement become impure and even their milk may no longer be consumed. The animal must then be killed as quickly as possible and burned.

Wine and all intoxicating beverages are impure, but opium and hashish are not.

If a man sodomises the son, brother, or father of his wife after their marriage, the marriage remains valid.

During sexual intercourse, if the penis enters a woman’s vagina or a man’s anus, fully or only as far as the circumcision ring, both partners become impure, even if they have not reached puberty; they must consequently perform ablutions.

A woman who has contracted a continuing marriage does not have the right to go out of the house without her husband’s permission; she must remain at his disposal for the fulfilment of any one of his desires, and may not refuse herself to him except for a religiously valid reason. If she is totally submissive to him, the husband must provide her with her food, clothing, and lodging, whether or not he has the means to do so. A woman who refuses herself to her husband is guilty, and may not demand from him food, clothing, lodging, or any later sexual relations; however, she retains the right to be paid damages if she is repudiated.

If a father (or paternal grandfather) marries off his daughter (or granddaughter) in her absence without knowing for a certainty that she is alive, the marriage becomes null and void as soon as it is established that she was dead at the time of the marriage.

It is not illegal for an adult male to ‘thigh’ or enjoy a young girl who is still in the age of weaning; meaning to place his penis between her thighs, and to kiss her. ["The Little Green Book"]
If a man commits adultery with an unmarried woman, and subsequently marries her, the child born of that marriage will be a bastard unless the parents can be sure it was conceived after they were married. A child born of an adulterous father is legitimate.Ali [son in law of Mohammed], having cut off the hands of two thieves, treated their wounds and offered them his hospitality, and this affected them so much that they became utterly devoted to him; or again when he heard that the marauding army of Muawiyah had abused a woman of one of the tribes, he was so upset and moved to pity he declared: “If a man died after such an occurrence, no one could blame him.” And yet, despite a nature as sensitive as that, Ali bared his sword and hacked the perpetrators to pieces. This is the meaning of justice.- “The Sayings of Ayatollah Khomeini, Political, Philosophical, Social and Religious” (The Little Green Book), ISBN number 0-553-14032-9.

Paedophilia legal in Iran

In June, 2002 Iranian authorities approved a law raising the age at which girls can marry without parental consent from 9 to 13. The elected legislature actually passed the bill in 2000, but the “Guardian Council”, a 12-man body of conservative clerics, vetoed it as contradicting Islamic Sharia law. Iran’s clerical establishment insists that the marriage of young girls is a means to combat immorality. The Expediency Council, which arbitrates between the elected parliament and the theocratic Guardian Council, timidly passed the measure. The law however does not change the age at which children can get married (nine for girls and 14 for boys), but says that girls below the age of 13 and boys younger than 15 need their parents’ permission and the approval of a “Righteous Court.” Reformists state that the new law does not protect children, since most of those who marry at such a young age do so by force.

A religious decree by Khomeini ordered that girl prisoners who are virgins must be raped before execution, to prevent them from entering heaven. A Guard conducts the rape the night before execution. The next day, a marriage certificate is issued by a mullah, who sends it to the girl’s family, along with a box of chocolates as a wedding gift.

It is quite common in Iran for older men to marry children, as long as they pay the appropriate bride-price to the girl’s family. This basically means that a father can sell his daughter to whomever he wants, whilst the mad mullahs see this as a means of maintaining purity. We prefer to call this child prostitution and rape, especially given that Iran’s clerics approve of the ‘tradition’ of ‘temporary marriage’ (Mut’a), which can last less than 24 hours and may be repeated as many times as desired. This form of exploitation is widespread and legitimises sex with young children. The man may even visit his temporary wife every weekend at her father’s house, for about $10 per visit.

Khomeini on prostitution and Mut’a (temporary marriage)

“It is permissible to do Mut’a with an adulteress, but with aversion, particularly if she is a well-known prostitute. If Mut’a is done with her, she should be told to give-up her profession.”

March 15, 2010: Gulf News reports that a guard has been arrested for having sex with the animals he was guarding on a farm. Muslim readers writing in to comment in the newspaper want to to know if the animals are still fit for eating.
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I'm afraid the question of milk is not here discussed. But so much else of relevance, and eye-opening value, is. Do send this along to others who may want an introduction to Muslim rule-making. It's instructive.

The more I learn about the bizarre 'cultural' practices of Muslims, the more disgusted I get.

"A religious decree by Khomeini ordered that girl prisoners who are virgins must be raped before execution, to prevent them from entering heaven. A Guard conducts the rape the night before execution. The next day, a marriage certificate is issued by a mullah, who sends it to the girl’s family, along with a box of chocolates as a wedding gift."

Isn't wonderful that they give the family a box of chocolates? Makes up for it all doesn't it?

As one of the other commmenters here says...

No Islam, Know Peace
Know Islam, Throw up....

Make up for what? It's only a woman.

Hope you're being sarcastic.

"...breast-feed their young male relations" ...

Oh please, this is called foreplay ...

Thanks for the info, Hugh. Very helpful. Interesting how the animal is treated differently according to whether the sex is normal (if such a term can be applied to sex with an animal) or anal.
I just wonder how many Moslem animal-lovers actually follow the rules cited by the ayatollah.

A muslim woman in the US talked about the dating scene: “I tend to meet two types [of men],” says Maryam*, 28, who has also been searching for a mate since college. “The first is the practicing Muslim brother who has his act together, but unfortunately has some really incompatible ideas about women and gender roles. The second type I meet is progressive and open-minded and is truly looking for a partner in life, but is not a practicing Muslim.”

You may not want to buy milk from an outfit calling itself, "Mo's Dairy," LOL.

Islam is the "wave-of-the-future?" These people want to rule the world? RIIIIIGHT!

Oh, good grief. This is so bizarre that a normal human being, thinking normal thoughts under normal circumstances, could only contemplate that such nonsense could have been thought up only by space aliens high on acid.

This reminds me of something.

My mum and dad, good Presbyterians, had 8 children, and my mum breastfed each baby for at least a year. On one occasion she had expressed some milk and put it aside in the fridge - not sure why - maybe she had cracked nipples and was expressing milk to put in a feeding-bottle, rather than risk a painful chomp from tiny jaws. Now, my dad was a dairy farmer, so the fridge had jugs and mugs of cows' milk in it as well, standing to let the cream set on top. Anyway, not long after my mum had put her milk in the fridge, along came my dad, looking for a nice cold cup of milk...reached into the fridge, seized a cup and scoffed it off...urk! What was that? Hey, what's wrong with *that* cow??!!

He had drunk his wife's milk by accident...OOOPS.

I guess if they'd been Muslims, he would have to have been classed as her son from then on...oh dear.

Just as well they were Presbyterian Christian Infidels and could treat his mistake as an entertaining joke.

"Soon after these proclamations, a Saudi bus driver allegedly asked a female teacher, whom he drives frequently, for her breast milk, according to AOL News. The teacher refused and is threatening to sue."


Guess which one Islam considers to be the better Muslim?..

QUAKEROPHOBIA WATCH

The sufferings of the Quaker people under the onslaught of vicious Quakerophobia are terrible to behold! Constant discrimin- ation against Quakers. Quakers being barred from boarding airplanes, Quakers subjected to humiliating police surveillance and strip searches. Where will this all end? Can it be that some sinister power is plotting the extermination of the Quaker people? What justification can there possibly be for these constant shrieking headlines about fundamentalist Quaker terrorism, militant Quaker cutthroats, armed Quaker bands, bloodthirsty Quaker fanatics? Those things are all figments of the imagination. Anyone who talks about the so-called “inherent violent streak” in Quakerism is evidently the victim of intense Quakerophobia whipped up by the media to sell more newspapers.

People must understand that Quakerism is, above all, a religion of peace.

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QUAKEROPHOBIA WATCH

The sufferings of the Quaker people under the onslaught of vicious Quakerophobia are terrible to behold! Constant discrimin- ation against Quakers. Quakers being barred from boarding airplanes, Quakers subjected to humiliating police surveillance and strip searches. Where will this all end? Can it be that some sinister power is plotting the extermination of the Quaker people? What justification can there possibly be for these constant shrieking headlines about fundamentalist Quaker terrorism, militant Quaker cutthroats, armed Quaker bands, bloodthirsty Quaker fanatics? Those things are all figments of the imagination. Anyone who talks about the so-called “inherent violent streak” in Quakerism is evidently the victim of intense Quakerophobia whipped up by the media to sell more newspapers.

People must understand that Quakerism is, above all, a religion of peace.

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I can't stand it! Sickening to read, sickening to think about. The only thing good about knowing this stuff is knowing just how awful the 'rules' are so as to be protected from the delusions of thinking they are truly in some way 'normal' like the rest of us.

Each person, when born, has a conscience. We all know when we have done something we shouldn't that comes under the 'rule' of natural law. Like, we know what happens to those jumping off a tall building or getting out of a car hurtling down the freeway. If we go against natural laws, we show our foolishness and stupidity.

Just how stupid can people be? The Iranian cleric's words answer that question...loud and clear. Thanks to Hugh for telling all of us just how much they trample on natural laws. And I agree with Mike. Their ideas are not just 'alien' but I believe they are demonic. That makes the breaking of natural laws so much worse than stupid.

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