Of course, that would just be the shape of things to come in an Islamic state: Bark at the uppity kuffar to put them back in their place.
"Key Jewish Group Rejects Ground Zero Mosque," from the Associated Press, July 30:
The nation's leading Jewish civil rights group has come out against the planned mosque and Islamic community center near ground zero, saying more information is needed about funding for the project and the location is "counterproductive to the healing process."
The Anti-Defamation League said it rejects any opposition to the center based on bigotry and acknowledged that the group behind the plan, the Cordoba Initiative, has the legal right to build at the site. But the ADL said "some legitimate questions have been raised" about funding and possible ties with "groups whose ideologies stand in contradiction to our shared values."
"Ultimately this is not a question of rights, but a question of what is right," the ADL said in a statement. "In our judgment, building an Islamic center in the shadow of the World Trade Center will cause some victims more pain -- unnecessarily -- and that is not right."
The Cordoba Initiative did not comment Friday.
Here, the AP stringer uncritically regurgitates the mosque proponents' claims about themselves:
Based in New York, Cordoba aims to improve relations between Islam and the West by hosting leadership conferences for young American Muslims, and organizing programs on Arab-Jewish relations, building civil society in the Muslim world and empowering Muslim women.
The mosque and community center would be located two blocks from the lower Manhattan site of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. Cordoba purchased the property for $4 million and planned to build a 13-story, $100 million Islamic center, of which the mosque would be a part.
Cordoba's director, Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, has not disclosed the funding sources for the project. But Sharif El-Gamal, the CEO of the company that owns the property, has said the project's backers were committed to transparency and would work with the attorney general's watchdog Charities Bureau.
... and disclose the funding sources? Or just line up some photo ops?
A city community board voted overwhelmingly last spring to back the project even as it drew emotional opposition from some local residents and relatives of victims of the Sept. 11 attacks.
New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg supports the mosque's construction. Disagreement over the project has become a national issue, drawing opposition from former U.S. House Speaker Newt Gingrich and former Alaskan Gov. Sarah Palin, among others.
The ADL, one of the most prominent groups in American Jewish life, is known for its advocacy of religious freedom and interfaith harmony. Its position on the mosque was met with shock and condemnation by several groups.
Time to dust off the "I, for one, welcome our new overlords" meme:
Jeremy Ben-Ami, head of J Street, the dovish, pro-Israel group, said he would hope ADL would be at the forefront in defending the freedom of a religious minority, "rather than casting aspersions on its funders and giving in to the fear-mongerers."
The Rev. Welton Gaddy, head of the Interfaith Alliance, a Washington advocacy group, said he read the ADL statement "with a great deal of sorrow."
"As an organization that for nearly 100 years has helped set the standard for fighting defamation and securing justice and fair treatment for all, it is disappointing to see the ADL arrived at this conclusion," Gaddy said.
The Council on American-Islamic Relations urged ADL to retract its statement.
Abraham Foxman, national director of the ADL, defended his position.
In a phone interview, he compared the idea of a mosque near ground zero to the Roman Catholic Carmelite nuns who had a convent at the Auschwitz death camp. In 1993, Pope John Paul II responded to Jewish protests by ordering the nuns to move.
"We're saying if your purpose is to heal differences, it's the wrong place," Foxman said of the mosque. "Don't do it. The symbolism is wrong."
It sure is wrong. On so many levels. And the symbolism is just the start of what's wrong.
according to:
http://freethinker.co.uk/2010/07/27/sharia-creeps-into-new-jersey-courtroom-%E2%80%93-but-gets-short-shrift-on-appeal/
and
http://womenagainstshariah.blogspot.com/
The New Jersey Sharia Judge was:
Hon. Edith K. Payne, J.A.D.
(Judge, Part H, Appellate Division)
Suite 1101, North Tower
158 Headquarters Plaza
Morristown, NJ 07960-3965
Phone: 973-631-6365, 6366
Please feel free to let her know your opinion.
Foxman's big mouth is more trouble than it is worth. JHC, the fatso couldn't use the Pearl Habour analogy like everyone else, now he has riled up Bill Donahue by reopening old wounds. Duly noted that the man has given Catholics the finger yet again.
nacazo,
If the Judge, for whom you give contact information, is an appellate judge, then she would be the one who reversed the lower court's determination, rather than the one who made the initial sharia-submissive determination. Appellate means appeals court.
If you are going to complain, make sure it is polite and sent to the proper judge.
I don't know which judge (family court) made the original determination.
These Muslims are not interested in the feelings of non-Muslims they just want a triumphant symbol at ground zero.
Why else call your "initiative" Cordoba? After the Spanish city conquered and occupied by Muslims?
This is however a textbook example of how far appeasement has already gone in the USA.
It's at a sad state certainly at the government level.And that is without the high numbers of Muslim immigrants in the USA.
Don't think the people of the USA are the same as the government elites.
Just as in Europe the vox populi is against islamisation and the political elites ignore them and are for and see no problems whatsoever.
You are very correct Robert in seeing Western Europe as what is waiting for the USA.
Muslim Students Demand Teacher Wear Burkha
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/india/7916367/Indian-lecturer-barred-from-teaching-by-students-for-refusing-burka.html
What happened to that slogan that Muslim activists like to fling out about how "Islamic practices are totally voluntary, there is no compulsion in religion"
It's all just a hollow slogan.
The Pope was a fool if he forced Carmelite nuns out of Auschwitz. Wasn't the Jewess Edith Stein a Catholic nun? Didn't the Nazis kill her and her family? What did Catholic nuns have to do with Nazis?
I guess now that all the heavy lifting is over Foxman can come out of his foxhole. He's a day late and a sheckel short.
"Jeremy Ben-Ami, head of J Street, the dovish, pro-Israel group..."
J Street is hardly "pro-Israel"....but that tag allows them to undermine Israeli security to greater effect. More MSM misinformation.
Islam is a theocracy not a religion. Many people have gone out of there way here to separate religion from the state. We can not allow sharia law to get a foot hold in a democracy. It goes against everything we believe in. In my opinion New York would be foolish to allow a mosque to be built anywhere near ground zero. A theocracy is not a democracy, anyone with a working brain knows that a theocracy would be the demise of everything we value and treasure as a free society. All those who have died for freedom would have died in vain. Think, reason and understand that Islam will never allow a Christian church to be built in an Islamic country. This is a double standard and Islam should never be tolerated. Democracy is not perfect but is by far better than a theocracy, which Islam is and will always be a theocracy. I do not hate muslims but I strongly disagree with what Islam teaches.
MUHAMMAD, IN CORE ISLAMIC TEXTS, REJECTS RELIGIOUS PLURALISM
For example, in Sahih Muslim, a canonical hadith collection.
MUHAMMAD SAYS: DEATH TO THOSE WHO LEAVE ISLAM
In Sahih Bukhari, the most canonical of hadith collections, Muhammad said, "Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him." Various other canonical hadiths attest that Muhammad called for death to those who leave Islam. That's why even today all the schools of Islamic law prescribe death for apostasy from Islam.
From page 515 of THE EARLIEST MUSLIM BIOGRAPHY OF MUHAMMAD, here is HOW MUHAMMAD ORDERED THE TORTURE AND BEHEADING OF A MAN IN ORDER TO GET THE MAN'S TREASURE:
MUHAMMAD SAYS THAT ONE DAY THE VERY TREES AND STONES WILL TELL MUSLIMS TO KILL JEWS
He says it both in Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim, Islam's two most canonical hadith collections:
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 176:
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177:
Sahih Muslim Book 041, Number 6985:From page 369 of THE EARLIEST MUSLIM BIOGRAPHY OF MUHAMMAD, MUHAMMAD SAYS "KILL ANY JEW WHO FALLS INTO YOUR POWER":
It's a "beautiful" story of two brothers, Muhayyissa and Huwayyisa:
MUHAMMAD ORDERS PEOPLE BURNED UP IN THEIR HOUSES, FOR NOT COMING TO PRAYER
In Sahih Bukhari, the most canonical hadith collection:
Volume 1, Book 11, Number 626:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "No prayer is harder for the hypocrites than the Fajr and the 'Isha' prayers and if they knew the reward for these prayers at their respective times, they would certainly present themselves (in the mosques) even if they had to crawl." The Prophet added, "Certainly I decided to order the Mu'adh-dhin (call-maker) to pronounce Iqama [second call to prayer] and order a man to lead the prayer and then take a fire flame to burn all those who had not left their houses so far for the prayer along with their houses."
MUHAMMAD SAYS THE EARTH BELONGS TO MUHAMMAD AND ALLAH, JEWS MAY LEAVE
In Sahih Muslim, one of the most canonical hadith collections:
It has been narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira who said: We were (sitting) in the mosque when the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) came to us and said: (Let us) go to the Jews. We went out with him until we came to them. The Messenger of Allah [Muhammad] (may peace be upon him) stood up and called out to them (saying): O ye assembly of Jews, accept Islam (and) you will be safe. They said: Abu'l-Qasim, you have communicated (God's Message to us). The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: I want this (i. e. you should admit that God's Message has been communicated to you), accept Islam and you would be safe. They said: Abu'l-Qisim, you have communicated (Allah's Message). The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: I want this... - He said to them (the same words) the third time (and on getting the same reply) he [Muhammad] added: You should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I wish that I should expel you from this land. Those of you who have any property with them should sell it, otherwise they should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle (and they may have to go away leaving everything behind).
MUHAMMAD SAYS FIGHT AGAINST THOSE WHO DISBELIEVE IN ALLAH
[JIHAD IS NOT JUST FOR SELF-DEFENSE]
From one of the canonical hadith collections is a hadith that tells of three choices for non-Muslims:
Sahih Muslim, Book 019, Number 4294
The content of the above hadith is also in Qur'an Chapter 9, Verse 29:
Jeremy Ben-Ami, head of J Street, the dovish, pro-Israel group, said he would hope ADL would be at the forefront in defending the freedom of a religious minority, "rather than casting aspersions on its funders and giving in to the fear-mongerers."
Not "fear-mongerers" but legitimate condemnation by the public that this mosque is misplaced. Defending 'religious freedom' is not the issue here. Muslims are free to worship in their mosques, though the non-Muslims majority is barred from such worship, nobody stops them. The source of funds is a major issue, and it should be examined transparently without question. Who is funding it? What is their stance on Sharia, which is not an issue of 'religion' but of power. If this mosque is built, overruling the vocal public objections of New Yorkers and the nation, then what does it say about its self proclaimed 'bridge building', that it's a smoke screen? This is about Islamic power to promote Sharia and Jihad, which are not 'religious minority' issues but issues about state power. The mosque must be made transparent for what is its real intention, that it would override decency and massive public opinion. What is its real symbolism in the Muslim mass psyche? Is it about 'healing' or supremacy? If it is to bring Sharia, which is unconstitutional, and Jihad, which is violent and coercive, funded by the Muslim Brotherhood or their proxies, then it should be not only condemned but investigated, with responsible parties brought to trial for sedition.
Mayor Bloomberg and the commission are backing the wrong horse. Even if built, these issues are not over yet, not for a very long time. Religion has nothing to do with it.
EXAMPLE FROM ONE OF THE CORE ISLAMIC TEXTS, SHOWING THAT MUHAMMAD SAID THERE IS TO BE NO PUNISHMENT FOR MURDERING SOMEONE WHO INSULTS MUHAMMAD:
Here, from Sunan Abu-Dawud, a hadith collection considered canonical by mainstream Muslim scholars, is a hadith that shows Muhammad supporting the murder of a woman by her husband, merely because she used to speak to her husband insultingly about Muhammad:
Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 38, Number 4348:
There are various examples in the core Islamic texts of Muhammad having those who insult Islam killed.
Let them build it, then wait for Friday and fly a plane into it. Warn the Kuffar first. Simples !
Good to see the ADL come out against this abomination.
But the elites in NYC will never get it, they live in a different world and are generally outside of their money making abilities a rather venal and limited people who can be swayed by smooth talking bullshit artists who understand them.
Think Madoff or any sociopath who knows how to push their buttons.
Traeh
thank you for posting that grimly illuminating sequence of important passages from the canonical texts of Islam.
I have noticed that you have been placing these, and some others of similar kind, in a number of the threads lately.
A very economical way of helping bring the non-Muslims among our myriads of new lurkers 'up to scratch' on the bare essentials; the things that they most need to know.
If any member of the ADL, and any member of the Jewish community world-wide, finds their way in here in the course of an idle or semi-focused google trawl prompted by the news of the ADL's declared opposition to the 9/11 mosque, then that person will get a short crash course, from your postings, in some of the nastiest aspects of Islam and where they come from; including a sharply shocking view of apocalyptic Muslim Jew-hatred.
I see you cited the Bukhari Hadith on Death for Those Who Leave Islam.
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 260: Narrated Ikrima: Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn 'Abbas, who said, "Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, 'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's Punishment.'
No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "
"If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him".
Perhaps that is *the* single thing that is causes me to support placing a complete ban on all further immigration of Muslims into non-Muslim lands, and practising a wary watchfulness toward all Muslim colonies already present: the demonstrable fact that, exactly like the Mafia, Islam decrees that those who leave it, or try to leave it, must be killed.
(Aside to non-Muslim lurkers who may desire more information on this subject: *the* scholarly discussions of the Apostasy law of Islam, are to be found in Samuel Zwemer's 'the Law of Apostasy in Islam', which may be read online
http://www.answering-islam.org/Books/Zwemer/Apostasy/index.htm
and in Canon Patrick Sookhdeo's "Freedom to Believe: Challenging Islam's Apostasy Law", which may be bought via the website of The Barnabas Fund. Canon Sookhdeo is himself an apostate from Islam; reared a Muslim, he converted to Christianity in the 1960s in the UK. The personal stories of two ex-Muslims now-Christian may be read in Mark Gabriel's 'Islam and Terrorism' and in 'The Imam's Daughter', by 'Hannah Shah').
Canon White, priest of St George's Anglican Church in Baghdad, recently told a gathering of civil servants in London about his experiences in Iraq. He related how on one occasion he had baptised thirteen former Muslims, turned Christian. *He* knew that they were endangering themselves by their decision to leave Islam (he had, in fact, been reluctant to conduct the baptisms because of this, but the converts had insisted they wanted 'in' all the way); they, too, were aware of the danger. But not wary enough. Eleven of those newly-baptised ex-Muslims were soon dead. Killed by Muslims who had discovered their apostasy. Canon White supposed that those eleven martyrs had been careless; had let slip their change of religion too soon, to persons who seemed trustworthy, but were not. To his knowledge, the surviving two had been more circumspect; were still 'secret believers'.
The newsletters of 'The Barnabas Fund', and the prayer booklets, are *full* of the names and stories of former Muslims, turned-Christian, who have been murdered by their former co-religionists - quite a few of them in Somalia lately, but there was one in Dagestan, within the Russian Federation, only this month.
If some among Somali Muslims, for example, kill Somali ex-Muslim Christians in Somalia, why should anyone allow Somali Muslims into Australia, the USA, or Europe? Because they don't leave the sharia rule - 'If anyone changes his religion, kill him!' - behind, when they cross our borders.
I have also just seen that the latest 'Pew Report' discovered that 76 % of Pakistanis [therefore, of Pakistani Muslims] *support* the execution of those who leave Islam. **76%**. That suggests to me that around 7 out of every ten persons of Pakistani origin present in the West, probably *agree* with that murderous rule, directly contradicting the provision of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, that a person should be free to change his or her religion. So *why* would we let in any more Pakistani Muslims? For among them there *will most assuredly be* people who would *kill* a member of their community, of their family, for leaving Islam.
I *do not want* in my country hundreds, or thousands, or hundreds of thousands, or millions of paid-up card-carrying hijab-wearing/ beard-wearing adherents of a 'religion', a cult, that imposes Death for Apostasy. The more of them there are, the greater the probability that many will appoint themselves judge, jury and executioner when one of their number decides to jump ship and embrace a more life-affirming, human-friendly belief system.
I would rather maintain a clearly-defined Islam-free zone, into which the defectors from the pirate ship of the Ummah can flee, subject to carefully-conducted checks of their bona fides. Modern technology permits us to flood the illiterate Ummah with audio or audio-visual critiques of Islam and eloquent expositions of alternative belief systems, without our ever having to set foot in dar al Islam.
If CAIR retracts all the bs they've been belching about their part in the "healing process", that should soften the ADL up and they can schedule that photo-op were they're smiling fondly with bow festooned puppies and kitties.
The Western leaders are not ignorant of Islam. They know enough to understand that Islam creates an entirely sane and normal person to turn hateful and rabid. I get an uncomfortable feeling that the leaders of the West are already “compromised”. How can a bunch of old, experienced highly educated guys not understand, with all evidence pointing to in the direction, the simple fact that Islam is anything but a religion of peace? How could they not? The only explanation I can come up with is that they have sold their souls to the Arab Sheiks. How else could the political elite of the US all root for the monstrosity called the Cordoba Mosk?
OK, y'all are clear about the fact that 2-3blocks away from ground zero is too close. So, would 5 blocks be far enough away, no? How about 10 blocks...?
The fact remains that the laws of the land preserve the RIGHTS of folks in THIS country to practice their Faith, not just the Muslims y'all so vehemently oppose, but also the Satanists, the Wiccans, the Druids, and any other religion.
As for the "triumphantism" y'all like to whine about, tell me that if all your boo-hoo-ing were to result in Islam being outlawed in the US, that Y'ALL wouldn't be triumphant yourselves...?
As I read these threads I see, as in this one, much written calling one or another Muslim's intentions or motivations into question. The Jews are second only to the pagan Arabs on the list of historical opponents to Islam, so lets examine the Jewish ulterior motives in opposing anything Islamic shall we, fair's fair, right?
Oh and by the way, it was a CHRISTIAN MONK who affirmed and consoled Prophet Muhammad, A.S.,that he was indeed a Messenger from Allah in the earliest days of his receiving Revelation when Muhammad A.S. was worrying about the fact that the conversations he was having with Gabriel might be the onset of insanity. And, of course, having "lurked" here for the better part of a year before I began commenting, I know it's an unrealistic expectation that y'all would mention how many Jews and Christians "apostate" from their faiths and become Muslim.
As, I've commented elsewhere, GLOBALLY, Islam is the fastest growing religion, and there are no "forced conversions" these days. The jihad y'all are watching currently is either Islam defending itself, or just trying to regain something it has lost. But sit tight, and eventually you'll see the triumphant Islamic CONQUEST that seems to keep you up tossing and turning at night. So much of what you say about the goals of my Faith ARE true, Islam has already dominated the "civilized" world once, and most assuredly will do so again. No sugar-coating, no apologies. There are no deities other than Allah, Most High and Muhammad ibn Abdullah is His Prophet, no matter how much you kuffar hate it!
Allah Bless America!
I've been reading Abe Foxman's blog in jpost for a while and I'm very impressed with him. He's no chump.
How surprising.
You are deluded AND you are a liar.
A true muslim.
The Truth Will Prevail
The people of the world are waking up to the evil fascist cult called islam and its fuhrer mohammed...
Am I missing something here? Carmelite Catholic nuns = Auschwitz vs. Islamic mosque=Ground Zero? What a miserable attempt of Foxman at creating a very tenuous parallel at best. If Catholicism happened to be the religion of many who perpetrated and even sometimes allowed the Holocaust to proceed is simply meaningless and completely incidental. If Christians stood by as the grisly “Final Solution” was implemented, it is totally coincidental because, if anything, they, unlike the supremacist Muslims behind the “victory mosque”, were ignoring their religion rather than perpetrating it! Big, big difference!
Poor "Dank" - there is no "allah" (Thank God).
Dank's just another brainwashed zombie Mohammedan, and a Truther to boot.
Hi Dank!
Lurking for a year, eh? Tut, tut! Typical. Sneaky and underhand - just like Islam tells you to be. But now your lurking days are over, is this post the best you can come up with?: Islam has the right blah blah, Jewish ulterior motives blah blah, Christian monk verified murdering, paedophile Mo as God's messenger blah blah, we will be victorious again blah blah. Not much originality, eh?
Now, I'll make you an offer. Why don't you give up all this silly nonsense about Islam and become a Christian, or an atheist? You'd be a better person for it. Islam is just a bunch of misogynist, death-cult idiots petulantly throwing their toys out of the pram because they've murdered 250 million people in the last 1,400 years or so, and still don't rule the world.
And they never will! Only six million Jews are keeping 300 million genocidal maniacs at bay. How could anyone lose with odds on their side like that? -- except the Mozzies, of course. A bunch of born losers! Get out of Islam and salvage some self-respect.
Now, I'm going home t' scritch ma alligators and feed ma hogs - y'all!
There are no deities other than Allah, Most High and Muhammad ibn Abdullah is His Prophet, no matter how much you kuffar hate it!
Allah bless America is a curse...
So you admit, there are other deities, but Allah is the leader of the pack...
Allah is Sin, the Chaldean moon god, given a promotion and name change by Mahound according to the 'Peter principal', of promotions until correct level of incompetence is reached...
The moon god has been promoted to the level of its incompetency and it's name is Allah...Allah is the imaginary 'Most High', who does nothing on his own...Allah is the god of incompetence...Worshipping him makes a pious Mahoundian what?...Dank provides the answer...
A previous poster, Dank, criticizes us for criticizing Muslim triumphalism -- then he launches into a cascade of Muslim triumphalist crowing.
The irony, apparently, is lost on him.
This 13 story mosque is a phallic symbol of victory by rape...ANY American man who would tolerate, or even worse approve of, a giant Islamic phallus towering over his head, is not a MAN in my estimation...He has been emasculated, and is then undependable, his opinion worth nothing...
There seem to be quite a few of these worthless men around...most of them are liberals/leftists...
"ARLINGTON, TX -- On Friday, members of a south Arlington mosque found graffiti depicting Uncle Sam and Allah in a sexual position spray-painted in the parking lot."
Hey swami - how does one depict "Allah?"
Here's the link to the article:
http://www.star-telegram.com/2010/07/28/2368772/arlington-mosque-reports-vandalism.html
This is an inside job in my opinion. What do you think, swami?
"mosques," i.e., "place of battle," wherever located and however benign in presentation are de facto sleeper cells
Hey swami - how does one depict "Allah?"
I'm not sure, but I think he looks a lot like Mel Gibson...They certainly sound similar...
In terms of an inside job, it would depend on who in the picture is on top Mel or Uncle Sam...If uncle Sam is dominant, then it was done by Kufr...If Mel was dominant, it was probably an inside job...We need to see the picture...
Mohammed was a Muslim
Muslims proclaim non-violence and that they are against drugs and sex as taught by the Profit Mohammed and set down in the Koran.
Yet Muslims instill or cause most of the violence in the world.
They are in fact a major part of crime & corruption, and one of the biggest opium drug trade suppliers.
They openly run slave rings that involve women and worse children.
They proliferate often times with underage women.
They believe in DEATH to nonbelievers called Infidels.
So what have we learned today …..
Mohammed was a two-faced liar and coward
Muslims are bad
Muslims are corrupt
Muslims are liars
Muslims are violent
Muslims cause unrest and are bringing the world close to war
Muslims believe anyone NOT a Muslim should die
Muslims are pedophiles
Muslims are slave traders
Muslims are drug growers and drug traffickers
Therefore, the solution is ?
"We need to see the picture..."
Right. Interesting that the "fire" photo accompanies the article, but not the graffiti.
I read on a Dallas TV news site that in the graffiti "Uncle Sam is sexually assaulting Allah." I have to disagree with you that this would indicate "done by Kufr" - rather, it's all to the Muslims' advantage to have their deity being assaulted by the Kuffar's symbol of America (one of many symbols of America), see what I mean?
I also think it's an inside job because allah was chosen instead of Muhammed - the Muslims' can't be drawing Mo you know.
But yes seeing the graffiti would speak volumes about just who in fact perpetrated it. My guess is the Mohammedans.
"The fact remains that the laws of the land preserve the RIGHTS of folks in THIS country to practice their Faith, not just the Muslims y'all so vehemently oppose, but also the Satanists, the Wiccans, the Druids, and any other religion."
Dank, you invoke religious freedom, does that mean you are for religious freedom?
Religious freedom includes the right to choose ones faith. Does Islam respect the right to choose ones faith? No, apostacy is a capital offense in Islam.
Tolerance is a good idea, but it has its limits. We do not tolerate murder, theft, purgery,..... So a faith that mandates to murder someone because he changed his mind, does not fall into the category of faiths that we may respect. It would be suicidal to respect such a faith.
There are many more aspects of Islam, which render it unconstitutional. In my opinion, all the islamic madrassas and mosques must be screened whether they harbor public enemies. If they do, they must be closed.
Dank, you've "lurked" here for about a year, what are we talking - basement? gears of war? Nick Nolte mugshot in the mirror? do you have a favorite cereal?
I have to disagree with you that this would indicate "done by Kufr" - rather, it's all to the Muslims' advantage to have their deity being assaulted by the Kuffar's symbol of America...
I think that before they portray Allah on the receiving end, they better check with him first...Allah does have his limits of patience...This may be pushing him just a little too much...The last thing Mahoundians want to do is get Allah in a foul mood...Using his image getting raped to further his causes (jihad), is something that a fast talking Mahoundian will have to explain to a pzzed off Allah...Good luck with that...
"Using his image getting raped to further his causes (jihad)"
Yeah, but what image? A photo of the alleged graffiti needs to be seen and then it could be worth a thousand words...
There is no depiction of "Allah" - so, exactly how would a Texas good 'ol boy go about it? I think this "hate crime" stinks to the Islamic paradise and is a hoax.
Here's an article on the Dayton, Ohio, mosque "pepper spray" hoax from 2008:
http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/2008/10/07/ddn100708mosquefolo.html
Does Jeremy Ben-Ami not know that the religious minority calls Jews "apes and pigs" and that its adherents are the worst anti-Semites in all European countries? He'd better study the Quran, the book of the religion of peace(TM). And besides the Mohammedans blame 9/11 on Mossad. I don't see why any Jewish organisation should support that shameful project.
"Oh and by the way, it was a CHRISTIAN MONK who affirmed and consoled Prophet Muhammad, A.S.,that he was indeed a Messenger from Allah in the earliest days of his receiving Revelation when Muhammad A.S. was worrying about the fact that the conversations he was having with Gabriel might be the onset of insanity."
Y'all wouldn't be talking about Waraqah ibn Nawfal would y'all?
Y'all do realize Waraqah ibn Nawfal wasn't a Christian monk but an Ebionite who happened to be Khadija's cousin? He also happened to be a 360 gods(among them Jesus and Mary gleaned from the heretical Arab Chloridians) worshiping pagan Arab BEFORE he converted the heretical sect of Ebionites?
Ebionites were a heretical Jewish-Christian sect who corrupted Jewish scriptures and who knew nothing about what Christians believed the trinity to be.
Y'all do realize that "allah" makes an egregious mistake, in mein kurampf concerning what "the people of the book" believe about the trinity right? Which coincidentally is the SAME mistake that heretical Arab wanna-be Christians made. How can an all powerful, all knowing deity NOT know what Christians believed in their hearts.
Anyways, just sayin', that your throwin' out "a Christian said this about mo and a Christian said this, blah, blah, holds no water with anyone except you mo-bots.
Let me guess, sugar, you're some bubble-but, thunder-thighed white girl who never heard a man tell her she's pretty until she met some mohammadan? And allah almighty he treated you with more respect than any American boy (all of whom don't appreciate your "maturity" or meat on bones) so you instantly vowed your allegiance to a dead Arab desert conman! Here's a secret: you're fat and ugly to the mohammadans too. They've learned it's too easy to play taqiyya with fat girls, tell them fat is attractive in their culture, get you fatties to convert to their cult of misogyny and racism and then they and you crow about how "islam is fastest growing religion!" You're a tool. Jus' sayin'!
Y'all, however, should waddle your cellulite laden behind to the country (hopefully full-sharia practicing one) of your mohammadan romeo. You gave up your right to live in the sharia-free west when you declared your loyalty to the prophet of profits and perversion in Arabic (shahada).
If I understand Islamic dictates correctly--non-Muslims have three choices: 1) convert to Islam; 2) if you refuse conversion, you pay a "protection tax (jizya) and are then under dhimmitude, where Islamic overlords parade their dominance over you; and if you refuse servitude, then 3) fight for your life.
Not much in the way of a choice, but if put in the place to choose, I for one say skip 1) and 2) and lemme at the bastards. I suppose the question every patriot of this country and its constitution must ask himself is, "Does a good Muslim make a good American?" Since the Qu'rean dictates unilateral compliance (with no wiggle room for non-Muslims) I'd say that even the so-called peace-loving Muslims in our country are merely lying low (kitman) till such time the Imams feel they have some advantage, and command Jihad to ensue.
My fellow Americans are dumb and blind to what underlies Islam and what its core intentions are--to conquer and indoctrinate the world (period). Somehow we believe that giving in to their demands will win their friendship. I say that if you throw a ravenous lion a steak, you are simply prolonging your eventual demise--not preventing it. Every time we concede to Islamic demands, they view this as weakness, and become further emboldened to plan/perpetrate the next attack........and Obama et. al. is paving the way. Once Sharia law gains a foothold in this nation, there will be no turning back. Islamic sympathizers will keep making insistant demands to which politicians will duck and run. Question is: How do we turn back this growing tide of American Islamization? How ironic that a mosque may very well stand triumphantly in the ashes of the WTC. Where is the unmitigated outrage?
Great summer reading!
http://www.islamisofthedevil.com/book
dumbledoresarmy,
You're welcome. I hesitate about reposting those hadiths sometimes, for those who have seen them already. But Jihad Watch one recent Sunday got over 100,000 unique visitors. So one can be sure that many, perhaps most, of those visitors are not familiar with the hadiths I linked to. And perhaps it's good to see them repeatedly anyway. I always like to read your posts, dda.
IMMIGRATION ADVISORY
In 2005 I took Freedom House rankings of civil liberties/political rights in every country in the world, and correlated those rankings with the percentage of a country's population that is Muslim. (Recall that the best possible Freedom House ranking is "1" for civil liberties and "1" for political rights, for a total score of "2". Costa Rica, Germany, Taiwan, the U.S. and Canada are examples of nations that earned a "2" ranking. The worst possible ranking is 7 for civil liberties and 7 for political rights, for a total of 14. Saudi Arabia and Syria are examples of countries ranked "14".)
For 2005, here is the inverse relation I found between Muslim population percentages and civil liberties/political rights:
23 nations in the world had populations that were 91%-100% Muslim. These nations earned an average Freedom House ranking of 10.4 for civil liberties and political rights.
13 nations had populations that were 71-90% Muslim. These nations earned an average Freedom House ranking of 9.6.
8 nations had populations that were 51-70% Muslim. These nations earned an average ranking of 9.3
14 nations had populations that were 20-50% Muslim. These nations earned an average ranking of 8.4.
The world's remaining 130 or so nations had populations that were 0% to 19% Muslim, and earned an average Freedom House ranking of 5.1.
So the 2005 period covered by the 2006 Freedom House report seems to show that the lower the percentage of Muslims in a country, the better off that country tended to be in terms of civil liberties/political rights. It would be interesting to see if this pattern continues to hold up.
Someone with more knowledge of statistics would have to verify if these results are statistically significant. Other ways of organizing the available data sets used might somewhat diminish the clarity of the pattern, but I'll bet the pattern is pretty robust.
http://www.musalmantimes.com/?p=93
Admin Musalman Times says:
June 3, 2010 at 2:29 am
Lower Manhattan does not belong to the bigots. The Muslims own the land, and do not need permisison from the fascists to build a community center.
Even so, Imam Faisal presented the plan to the Lower Mnahatten board and got unanimous approval.
Bigots like “g” can save the sanctimonious racism and keep it where the sun don’t shine.
The mosque is already there–and there is nothing you can do about it.
THIS IS AMERICA not Nazi Germany!
God Bless the USA–down with the bigots.
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Important to note... "Lower Manhattan does not belong to the bigots. The Muslims own the land"
LOWER MANHATTAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You have a great name--Dank, for everything you have proclaimed is indeed "dank", dark and severely misguided. Religious freedom and the right to exercize one's beliefs in an unfettered way does not allow for the practicing of a faith that ultimately promotes the killing and destruction of all non -believers of that faith. Islam is not so much a religion as an ideology that is dead-set on conquest and control. No other so-called "faith in God" threatens its detractors with dhimmitude and/or death, but Islam.
Christians, Hindus, Bhuddists, atheists, Wiccans, Druids, etc. are all okay with "live and let live." You can leave any of these traditions and not fear retribution.
Since you are so big on the attributes and high-quality of living that Islam affords, pack your bags and emigrate to the Mid-East--sounds like you would be much more at home there. Tell you what though Dank, you won't find any place in that part of the world where you can post comments to a web-site. So head on over and enjoy the countless freedoms that abound in the Islamic ruled countries.
If you ever get back with your head still attached, I'd be interested to hear (honestly) just how you fared and how gracious and hospitable the people were. But you better go in wholesale and be ready to never. ever back out--for your own pretty little (and I do emphasize "little") head will be rolling around in the dust if and when you do!
May you receive in fulness everything Allah has in store for you!
Yo Grungy--you're sounding kinda spongy--you been soakin' in the "sauce" a bit too long.
You need to pack your bags and join ol' Dank on his tour of Islamic countries.
Send us a postcard of all the beautiful places you visit and please give an account of the friendly, warm, and accepting folks you meet there.
Word to the wise though--you two might consider taking turns as "watchman" while you sleep; we'd hate to inform your sweet Mama of your bloody demise.
Hurry! Leave the US now before you've had a chance to think it all through. We'd all hate for you to miss the chance of a lifetime to experience a world that is so much better than the miserable one you have here in the States. I'll even give you a ride to the airport!
"Islam is the fastest growing religion globally"
Yes I agree. But do you know how? Coz Mohommadians are like the virus. Mohommadians practice polygamy. They use their wives as baby producing machines. They multiply, multiply, multiply and overwhelm a local population.
This is the tactic the worshipers of the non-existent Moon God and his "profit," the sadistic madman Mo, seem to be employing for their aim of global conquest.
Wake up Dank! There are more people fleeing from Islam than are converting into it. Take out the "kill the apostate" clause out of the little green hate manual and what do you get? Mass exodus from Islam (mostly women).
Would your coward fellow cult members dare do that? I suspect not because you Mohommadians cowards.
In the West, it is the psychically and socio-economically marginal who are targeted by those running campaigns of Da'wa, though a great many Muslims act as one-man missionaries, not missionaries eager to save individual souls, but eager to find recruits, to act as Enlistment Offices, for the Army of Islam, to swell its ranks. Indeed, they have been known to tell each other to be careful, in their recruitment efforts, not to tell too much about Islam, to let the new recruuits learn -- s-l-o-w-l-y -- about what Islam contains, because if they were to be truly informed before reciting the Shahada, and thus "becoming Muslims" -- they might not do so.
An intelligent campain of counter-Da'wa would or could or should be based on making clear exactly what Islam requires: a habit of mental submission that, in turn, helps to stunt mental growthy. How many people would willingly join a group if they thought that would entail having your own -- or your children's -- mental growth stunted? It should include a discussion of the forbidding of almost all forms of artistic expression -- save for Qur'anic calligraphy, including that on ceramics, and mosque architecture (though the squinch itself, and a good deal else, was approriated from Byzantine architecture), the forbidding of music (that should be the first thing Chrisian clerics should tell black prisoners who might be tempted to become Muslims), the collectivism that ignores individuals and individual rights, the mistreatment of women that arises naturally from Qur'anic passages and the
example of Muhammad with his women, including his marriage and consummation of that marriage to little Aisha, and so on.
A counter-Da'wa campaign would not be hard. I'm amazed there is so little sign of one. But perhaps things are changing as, all over the West, the Revolt of the Self-Educated Masses, against their nonchalant or ignorant leaders, the ones who have presumed to protect and instuct us, and performed so very poorly, when it comes to Islam, in both respects.
The comparison to Catholic nuns chez Auschwitz and the
Mosk (yes, that's deliberate) loomimg @ Ground Zero is quite poor. They should have been allowed to stay.
Islam is intrinsically anti-Jewery. Catholics worship a Jewish rabbi and His Mother....the Church did not create Auschwitz; an atheistic fascistic nut did that. It was the lack of Christian charity that nursed Auschwitz; 9-11 is perfectly compatible with Islamic "theology."
I have no doubt that the nuns at Auschwitz prayed sincerely
for the sins of Nazism and the souls of Jews; Muslims do not need to express contrition doctrinally for 9-11......they don't, and won't.
PS: I'm Catholic, applaud the ADL for their balls, and would donate money TODAY if the mosk were to be changed into a Jewish center or synagogue....even a center for Atheism studies.
"Yes I agree. But do you know how? Coz Mohommadans are like a virus. Mohommadans practice polygamy. They use their wives as baby producing machines. They multiply, multiply, multiply and overwhelm a local population."
Exactly. Barbaric polygamy, as well as child brides' and girls/women as nothing but baby factories.
Exactly. Barbaric islam.
YOU are the bigot/fascist, you and your islamic brethren.
Why don't you go back to your own islamic cesspool?
GET OUT OF OUR COUNTRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
duh_swami, the most worthless man is NYC mayor Michael Bloomberg, the most nearsighted Jewish man in America. Can't he see the danger that the proposed mosque/"education center" poses to the Jews and Gentiles of NYC and the rest of America?
CW,
I think GOV was quoting from the "comments" section of the link he provided. I checked there (had to hold my nose!) and that comment
was from whoever the "muselman" is who runs that landfill.
All of grungyoldvan's prior posts that I've seen indicate that he's anything but pro-islam!
He just needs to be careful to explain what he's quoted such that he's not misunderstood!
G
OK. You see that "Edward Morris" (above) thought the same thing I did.
Yes, "gov" needs to be more careful when quoting! Thanks. (Don't blame you for holding your nose!)
"...Prophet Muhammad, A.S.,..."
Did you forget an "S"?
For your information Mo is not my prophet. Perhaps you (muslims) should use another phrase instead of assuming or insisting everyone worships a male who was a rapist, mass murderer and pedophile at the very least.
Since the NY Times, true to form, has once again refused to print my comments on their 911 Mosque article, I am posting them here.
It is important that all of us oppose this memorial to hate on the site of America's worst Muslim crime.
A group of Muslims murders over 3,000 Americans in NYC in the name of Allah.
Then their co-religionists demand to build a mosque two blocks from the site.
And they choose to name it Cordoba House? Cordoba is the Muslim name given to the portion of Spain conquered in the name of Allah. They tore down the biggest church they could find and built the Grand Mosque of Cordoba in 784 CE to symbolize their conquest.
Why would any American not be upset?
Any politician with any sense will understand that this is political suicide especially these days.
Those who don’t understand now, will understand comes election day.
http://www.jewishdailyreport.wordpress.com
There is a sort of Civil War going on about the topic of the mosque at Flopping Aces:
http://www.floppingaces.net/2010/08/01/about-that-monument-to-mohammed/
Thought you guys might be interested.
"How can a bunch of old, experienced highly educated guys not understand, with all evidence pointing to in the direction, the simple fact that Islam is anything but a religion of peace? How could they not? The only explanation I can come up with is that they have sold their souls to the Arab Sheiks."
And so the Explanatory Vacuum leads to Conspiracy Theory and to its concomitant Gnostic Alienation from one's own West.
KaffirPagan's rhetorical questions are logical -- as long as one has no explanation for the puzzle they seem to present. One, however, has to have a little more faith in the West, and in one's fellow Westerners, before deciding to chuck them overboard with such alacrity.
It should be a given that most Western politicians -- including Democrats -- are good, sincere, intelligent people (and please, dear reader, don't use awake's dictionary for the word "most" by which he means "nearly all"). With this given in place, we then seek intelligently for an explanation: an explanation for how even good, sincere and intelligent people continue to defend Islam and to defend Muslims who support and enable Islam (and what Muslims don't support and enable Islam...?)
The explanation is complex. I cannot summarize it in a nutshell. I have analyzed it in dozens of essays on my blog (The Hesperado) and it all revolves around Politically Correct Multi-Culturalism (PC MC). The explanation retains our faith in the West and our respect for (most of) our elites. It must, or the West isn't worth defending -- and I'm certainly not joining some Gnostically alienated band of Mad-Max Revolutionaries to "recalibrate" a West on which one has given up hope in its present form.
The "Palestinian Minister of Uncontrollable Rage" travels to New York City:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoUtVu80kD0&playnext=1&videos=pkviyvvShBE&feature=grec_index
Excellent comments Hugh...
I have often wondered about the scope for buying up billboards and simply reproducing in big bold letters the key texts from the Koran and Hadith that any non-Muslim is going to find highly objectionable. No commentary - just the texts.
How could Muslims complain about that? (Well we know how - they'll claim...or if not exactly claim...insinuate that there's been a mistranslation...). But in reality, how could anyone object?
Of course, if the texts are ruled to constitute hate crimes, that might be a bonus...
Perhaps Pamela and Robert will launch an SIOA initiative along those lines.
Dank:
Just a gentle correction, it is NOT Islam that is the fastest growing faith, it is Christianity, most of the fast growing is being done in what is called the "global south".
Dear Hesperado-- I agree with you that most of out politicians (Dems and GOP) are at their core, good sincere folk, with what they believe are their best intentions in play. Let's not forget though that the road to Hell is paved with good intentions. The politically correct position that the current administration applys to all Islamic/border issues, will in the end be our "end" as a nation. Being PC only codifys one's weakness for not wanting to "man-up" and deal with the situation. Trying to whitewash the heinous acts of Islamic Jihadism by referring to such acts (WTC I and II, USS Cole, etc) as "human error" or some such bullshit, simply portrays the US as a whipped dog with its tail tucked twixt its legs, head hanging low, slinking off in defeat. Eric Holder, Janet Nipolitano (SP?), et. al., only assist in emboldening radical Islam.
If somehow we could shift to a position of unilateral, unabashed military prowess and say essentially, "America will defend its borders without reservation. Any person or entity that chooses to "tread" our soil with nefarious schemes afoot, will be dealt with in a swift and severe manner, resulting in permanent and irrevocable deportation." What is wrong with that?
America, is by definition a nation of immigrants, and as such will always have a multi-variate populous. Given. But being multi-cultural and diverse does not have to tolerate evil in any form. What makes this Republic of ours so great is its coast to coast display of Liberty. There are so many issues from the "far left" that I detest, but I do not protest their right to at least iterate their idiotic tenets. I dare these same protestors to try such antics on the streets of any Mid-Eastern city. Their voices would be quieted with a slash of the windpipe!
But, when we persist in the PC mode, those wanting to invoke Sharia law, simply lick their chops and wring their hands in delight--they sense our "fear" and reticence to do anything definite, and so push their Islamist worldview ever further into the making of US policies. Again, I posit flatly and without reservation, that if indeed the Mosque is allowed at Ground Zero, the door to Sharia law will open, and CAIR and its affiliates (the ACLU, etc) will continually insist on having their needs (demands) met. By 2025, America as we know it today will have morphed into a Socialist/Islamic state. The President will have become Dictator, so that you and I will weep to see our children and grand-children silently plod through their days feeling helpless and hopeless..........and that my friend will be the end of our once great Republic--the one my forbears fought tenaciously to procur and protect. What a sad and unnecessary prospect for America!
We have made ourselves hostage to this notion that all things can be negotiated. WRONG! You protect the Homeland first and foremost by whatever means, letting the Imams know in no uncertain terms that they will be killed (not imprisoned and mollycoddled) at any display of Jihadism (period). Unless and until America can have "the balls" or "cahones" as Sarah Palin said, to confront, up front all who seek to "change" the core fabric of this nation (its magnanimous history and heritage) and cast them out, we will only bog down more and more in a quagmire of compromise.
And yet your President sues AZ for trying to do what he (the Feds) should already be doing. How frickin' crazy is that?! I mean when the Prez. of Mexico and the ACLU applauded the judges ruling that weakened police authority, I had to laugh to keep from crying. Ludicrous and idiotic once again. I am to be 51 this Saturday. Born and raised an American patriot, I will draw my dying breath defending my GOD, my family and my country. And, however, if and when I am ever asked to produce ID (of whatever sort) to show and prove my "status," then I don't mind. If it helps in keeping my community and its streets safe, then I'm for it. Many legal Hispanics feel the same way--they came here to escape oppression and to seek the good life that Liberty affords, and are as interested in seeing this way of life protected as any "white man" is. And yet Obama had to bus in demonstrators from California the other day for the typical photo ops. that the elite left love so much.
You are right--the issues are many, but we make them "complex" when we take the middle-of-the-road approach. Mr. Miagi (sp) in "Karate Kid" put it well to Daniel-san when he said, "either be for or against--if you walk in the middle of the road, you will get squashed like a grape."
I am a teacher of 30+ years, most of them spent working w/ adolescents. Kids want to know what the boundaries are--it makes them feel safe and the discipline issues subside to a great degree when school officials communicate a fair, but no nonsense agenda. Occasionally, the kids who "choose" to cross those boundry lines, are carted off in hand-cuffs in the back of a squad car. Any other student(s) who may be comtemplating similar actions, thinks twice and goes on about his/her merry way. Shades of gray are like thick fog--you can't see what's around or in front of you, and everything comes to a stop.........in essence you are paralyzed until the fog lifts.
D.C. could and should lift the fog, but as Rahm Immanuel so succinctly put it back at the beginning of the oil spill, "why waste a good crisis?"
Come November, let's all remember! America, bless GOD!