Dutch leaving Afghanistan, Taliban pleased

I applaud the Dutch for leaving . They have perhaps realized that it's a waste of time and money to keep running around this hell hole while they are getting shot at and murdered by the Porkie supported Taliban.

While they are restricted from doing their jobs by the rules of engagment.

While the Bama administration lavishes the Porkie ISI with even more money and support.

While afghanistan imposes Sharia laws and is almost as restricive as the talban in freedoms. Who the hell are they fighting and for what reason?

"The Lucky Dutch in Afghanistan"

http://static.rnw.nl/migratie/www.radionetherlands.nl/currentaffairs/afg070115-redirected

Well, they had the Srebrenica experience to draw upon.
Danish military certainly could have made good use of a bit of that luck :-(

As a side note, I see jihadwatch.org has pretty much doubled its audience in the last 2 weeks, to become as popular as michellemalkin.com whing is ranked 6000 worldwide. This is truly fantastic and I congratulate Robert and his aides for reaching such a momentum. It gives us hope...Take good care of yorself Robert, you are da man.

This may please the Taliban. They may think they have accomplished their aim. But in the end, Afghanistan will remain a mess, and if the other NATO forces leave, it will an Islamic mess for Muslims to fight over, or sort out, or improve, to the best of their abilities, and with the use of Muslim money, and requiring Muslim attention.

And note that the removal of Dutch troops is supported, significantly, by Geert Wilders, who intelligently recognizes that what happens in Afghanistan (and Iraq) is largely irrelevant to the main theatre of Jihad-war, that is the countries of Western Europe, and regards those campaigns as taking attention away from the real threat to the West from those conducting Jihad, and such efforts -- in Iraq, in Afghanistan -- causing many in the West, those who come up such schemes, and their loyal and unswerving because mindless political supporters, and those who participate in such efforts (some of the military begin to believe all that stuff about how wonderful it is to go and "help people" who are, you see, under the surface "just like us"), or who are implicated, as so many of our political figures are, because even if they have reservations about the Iraq and Af-Pak missions, they are tongue-tied, because lacking a knowledge of Islam or insecure in that knowledge, they don't know how to express their doubts in the only terms that make sense: that we should leave these places not because Islam is not a threat but because it is, and the means chosen, by the ill-prepared, to deal with the threat, so imperfectly understood, were the wrong means, with the wrong goals. We should not work to make any Muslim people more unified, within a nation, or to try to lessen sectarian and ethinc conflicts within the Camp of Islam, and certainly not to transfer vast sums from non-Muslim countries to Muslim peoples and countries, in order to help the latter. Not only will such aid weaken us, and strengthen them, but it also provides the wherewithal for the internal corruption -- without Western aid, there's so little in Afghanistan or Pakistan or for that matter Egypt, to be corrupt about -- that in turn fuels resentment of those in power so obviously helping themselves to a large slice of that aid, and that resentment, when those doing the resentment are Muslims, will always take the form of protest and rage expressed always and everywhere in Islamic terms, with an increase in hatred for the Infidels, who are going to be seen not as generous donors, but as enablers and supporters of the corrupt who take part or much of the aid.

It has been nearly nine years since the Americans went to Afghanistan, and more than seven years since they invaded Iraq. Yet, despite all the talk about "winning" and "victory," not a single spokesman for either the Bush or Obama Administrations, not a single member of the military, or of Congress, can supply a convincing definition of what would constitute a "victory" in Iraq or Afghanistan, justifying the vast sums spent, nor can they relate that "victory" to the threat posed by adherents of Islam in Western Europe, or indeed, throughout the world, to non-Muslims living in their own lands (but lands where large numbers of Muslims may, through ignorance and inattention, been allowed to settle) and in Muslim-doominated lands, where everywhere, with the Copts in Egypt and the Assyrians and Chaldeans in Iraq, and the Christian converts in the Kabyle region of Algeria and missionaries in Morocco, and with Christians and Hindus persecuted and terrorized in Pakistan, and Hindus and Buddhists suffering in Bangladesh, and Christians threatened, and killed, in Nigeria, where Shari'a is steadily being imposed in the north and now in central Nigeria, and with the 2.5 million Christian (and animist) victims of Muslim state terror and deliberate starvation, over several decades, in the southern Sudan, and with...well, I need not continue, for you can fill up this, and a dozen other similar paragaphs, yourself....it is clear that something is happening, and that something is this:

Jihad has always existed as a duty, the duty or "struggle" incumbent upon Muslims, to ensure that the obstacles to the spread, and then the dominance, of Islam are everywhere removed, by violence if possible (terrrorism or qitaal), or by other means -- Jihad of pen, speech (propaganda), Jihad of wealth (the Money Weapon), Jihad now -- a new one -- of demography, of pouring into non-Muslim lands, settling, and outbreeding the locals, and briniging in, through all possible means, more and more Muslims (fiddling the system, declaring non-existent family ties, bringing in and hiding plural wives, whatever it takes) who then take full advantage of every possible benefit offered by the generous welfare states of Western Europe, Canada, Australia, and outbreeding the locals -- you can obtain the statistics, though with difficulty, for the rise in Muslim populations in Western Europe.

A "victory" in Afghanistan presumably means a place where Al Qaeda will never re-establish itself. But that can be handled with drones and spy planes, and other forms of vigilant monitoring, and repeated attacks by Special Forces. We need not adopt the country of Afghanistan, and make it our project -- yes, I know some will argue it will look good on America's resume but really, there's no more time, and no more space, and no more money, for padding our national resume with such efforts ("Was responsible for spending three trillion dollars to reconstruct two entire countries" etc.).

The "victory" bruited about has never beenclearly defined by those doing the bruiting, for were such an attempt at a clear definition to be made, the hollowness and vacuity of the entire policy would be laid bare. Thus, studied vagueness remains the order of the day. And meanwhile, disturbingly, many in the military manage to convince themselves, despite all the evidence, that the tasks they have been assigned by those above are not foolish, but make eminent good sense, and that yes, we go off to Afghanistan as we did previously to Iraq, and like this idea of reconstructing and reaching out and helping, and training, and supplying, and keeping from killing each other, and bringing prosperity, partly by handing out pallets of cash to, those who are not the "bad guys" but our friends and allies or at least "potential" friends and "potential" allies, if only we listen to them, and meet their grievances, and give them this and give them that, and then they won't join the Taliban, or Al Qaeda, but be....be what, exactly? Are they to forget that we are Infidels? Are they to forget, or permanently ignore, what Qur'an, Hadith, and Sira contain, and what they inculcate? Are they to ignore the fact that the great and permanent division of humanity is between Believer and Unbeliever, Muslim and Infidel?

Isn't it time for those who remained loyalists to the Bush policy to put away foolish things, even to admit possibly --which of them is capable of doing it? -- that they were wrong, and they should not have continued to support the squandering in Iraq, as now in Afghanistan, at least not one minute after the previous regime had been completely dismantled and the country scoured for WMD to the satisfaction of American, not international, inspectors?

One waits to see if any of them will. So far, nary a one.

We are supporting a corrupt Afghan government that supports shariah law. We are fighting the Taliban, who have large support among the Afghan population and who support shariah law. The majority of the Afghan people support shariah law. What are we fighting for? Shariah law?

We don't want a breeding grounds and training camps for terrorists? Well, they still exist in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Sudan, Somalia,... We can't occupy all these countries. Saudi billionaires and muslims all over the world finance jihad. Islamic countries like pakistan, Sudan, Syriah, Iran openly and secretely promote jihad.

Now, we could bomb these training camps and terrorist leaders with drones hovering over these countries. But, that would be the best we can do for our security. Occupying a country with a large percentage of the population keen on waging jihad against Westerners and becoming martyrs in paradise is pointless.

We need to address the real issue and that is orthodox islamic teachings. The BBC, voice of America,... must disclose the fallacies of Islam to muslim countries in countless radio, tv, shows. We must attack the source of evil, namely the brainwashing of muslims in madrassas and mosques all over the world. We must publicly demonstrate beyond reasonable doubt that their ideology - Ilsam - is wrong!

MEANWHILE, IN AFGHANISTAN THREE MORE AMERICANS WERE SLAUGHTERED IN COLD BLOOD AND COWARDLY AS USUAL WITH IEDS FROM A REMOTE LOCATION BY THE FOLLOWERS OF MOHAMED, PROPHET OF ISLAM.

http://www1.voanews.com/english/news/asia/Three-NATO-Troops-Killed-in-Afghanistan--99618034.html

HERE, YOU CAN WITNESS (PHOTO) A PROCEDURE ADMINISTERED AFTER A TRAFFIC ACCIDENT UNDER SHARIA LAW BY THE FOLLOWERS OF ISLAM. THIS PARTICULAR SHARIA PROCEDURE SAVES THE EXPENSES AND THE NEED OF HAVING ANY EMT, POLICE OR FIRST RESPONDERS TO RESPOND. A WIN WIN FOR BOTH THE MULLAHS AND THE MUNICPAL. SHARIA - IT IS NOT JUST A RELIGION, IT IS A WAY OF LIFE - COMING SOON TO LOWER MANHATTAN!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/30/us-troops-deaths-afghanistan-marjah

OT All charges against the 'Dudley 2' have been dropped.

The Dutch are smart.

Americans OTOH have a love for stupid imperialist adventures in countries where the locals like to blow us up. And its also quite patriotic to get blown up because everyone thinks you are a hero because you're defending our "freedom".

The following is a complimentary edition of the MEMRI Jihad and Terrorism Threat Monitor (JTTM) Weekly Digest. It includes exclusive reports and items from the past week on Jihadist websites.

Jihad & Terrorism Threat Monitor Weekly Digest No. 40: July 22-29, 2010 http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/4489.htm

The Dutch may well have need of these troops back home to deal with the taliban -- and other Moslem invaders -- there. At the very least, they now have 2000 -- and maybe many thousands more, if they were there long enough, and rotated troops regularly -- more Dutchmen who are thoroughly familiar with the barbarism that Islam creates. I hope they spread the word among all their families, friends, and neighbors.

the dutch can go home safe in the knowledge that they've succeeded in their mission to win hearts and minds...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-10816058

Meanwhile, police fired shots in the air in the Afghan capital Kabul on Friday to disperse an angry crowd, after a fatal road accident reportedly involving vehicles linked to the US embassy.

Witnesses said four civilians in a car died when it was in a collision with one of two armoured vehicles moving in convoy.

Two vehicles were set on fire as a crowd of Afghan people hurled stones and shouted "death to America".

The US embassy in Kabul released a statement saying that "four US contract personnel" had been in the vehicle involved in the accident, reports AFP news agency.

One man at the scene, Ahmad Jawid, was quoted by AP news agency as saying: "Are we not Muslims? Are we not from Afghanistan? Infidels are here and they are ruling us. Why?"

ahmad, do you think they know themselves? better buckle up fella... the taliban are coming back - but this time it's personal... and their way of winning hearts and minds is a lot more effective.

An excellent visual representation of how our tax dollars are getting used by the Pakistanis/Afghans...

http://www.longwarjournal.org/threat-matrix/archives/2010/07/us_tax_dollars_at_work_in_paki.php

http://www.torontosun.com/comment/2010/07/30/14880341.html#/comment/2010/07/30/pf-14880341.html

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Dutch leaving Afghanistan, Taliban pleased
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Which is not to say that they ought not to leave. What did they hope to accomplish there in the first place? With no clear mission or goal, and no understanding of the jihad doctrine or Sharia, the whole thing was foredoomed.
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Well, that's the rub, isn't it? When the Canadians, and the Brits, and—eventually—the Americans, and whoever else from "The Coalition" still remains for the time being, in whatever small numbers—leave Afghanistan, after however many years of building roads, and hospitals, and schools, and getting shot at by Afghan "army recruits" and "police officers", and generally futilely attempting to "stabilize" and civilize in some small measure—the Taliban is going to crow that they have driven the "imperialist" Infidels out of the ugly heart of Dar-al-Islam, and that it is a great victory the brave Mujahideen and for Islam.

Just level the playing fields.

Remember those statues of the Buddha that the Taliban blew up? Those statues dated from the last time Afghanistan was civilized.

One other thing, the correspondent Micheal Totten noted at his site that the first thing that Afghanis build is a wall to surround any structure they plan. No matter how big or small.

We don't need to build a nation in Afghanistan, we just need to prevent the Taliban from using it as a base.

I was never a fan of the Afghanistan adventure myself.

Maybe we just ought to draw up a law that authorizes the President of the USA to seize the American assets of any nation known to accept anyone on a list of Taliban or Qaida names for medical treatment or residence--unless that person is arrested and handed over to US authorities, regardless of what the other country thinks of the death penalty. And, if that means French and Dutch pensioners get a cut because the US real estate owned by their governments gets seized, Waaaaah.

What a catastrophe our every administration, Republican and Democrat, is. Totally inept. We had a chance to elect a great man, Rudy Giuliani, 2 years ago. The Republican primary voters blew it for all of us. They denied our country salvation.

Ruslan Tokhchukov, EnragedSince1999.

Additional News ...

"Afghan Women and the return of the Taliban"

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2007238,00.html

Link includes a somewhat graphic Time's photo of Aisha ...

Excerpt:

"The Taliban pounded on the door just before midnight, demanding that Aisha, 18, be punished for running away from her husband's house. Her in-laws treated her like a slave, Aisha pleaded. They beat her. If she hadn't run away, she would have died. Her judge, a local Taliban commander, was unmoved. Aisha's brother-in-law held her down while her husband pulled out a knife. First he sliced off her ears. Then he started on her nose."

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"For Afghanistan's women, an early withdrawal of international forces could be disastrous.

Pursuant to my posting immediately above:

I hope that Mr Wilders is already preparing the speech that he will make, and/ or the op ed he will write, on behalf of the PVV and all its members and supporters, for the benefit of the returning Dutch soldiers and their families; a speech worded so as to help some of those soldiers to realize that they have moved from one front of the Global Jihad, to another; from the diversion and waste of precious time and men and money that was Afghanistan, to the *real* battlefield, the battlefield that matters, that is life and death, because it is *home* and there is nowhere else to go.

A speech that will serve notice, too, to the Muslims in the Netherlands, that any and all insults offered to Dutch veterans, and/ or threats made against them and attacks plotted or attempted, will be viewed in the harshest light, and the perpetrators relentlessly denounced and pursued to the full extent of the law.

The Dutch in Afghanistan:

"The Netherlands is one of the leading bilateral donors for reconstruction and development in Afghanistan. The Netherlands has pledged an amount of € 150m for reconstruction of Afghanistan over the period of 2006-2009, having already contributed € 180m so far. This makes the Netherlands the third largest donor to the Afghanistan Reconstruction Trust Fund (ARTF). The ARTF, managed by the World Bank, supports running costs of the Government of Afghanistan. For instance, the ARTF contributes to salaries of more than 270,000 civil servants, including 144,000 teachers. Over six million children, nearly 35% of them girls, will be enrolled in school in 2007/08, compared to a little more than a million students five years ago and very few girls. Also, about 13 million rural people in all 34 of Afghanistan's provinces have benefited from improved water, roads and other small infrastructure projects through the National Solidarity Program.

Furthermore, The Netherlands is also one of the leading donors to the Law and Order Trust Fund for Afghanistan (LOFTA). LOFTA contributes to the salaries of the Afghan Police and supports building capacity of the Afghan National Police Force. This police force has rapidly expanded, establishing a visible presence across the country.

In the southern province of Uruzgan, Dutch soldiers are helping to clear the way for development. At the request of the Afghan people, investments are being made in visible improvements which can be realised in the short term. They include repairs to basic infrastructure, bridges, schools and mosques, and the restoration of clean water supplies and medical care. This will give people faith in the new government and in foreign soldiers.

In order to guarantee long-term sustainability, Dutch soldiers working on small-scale projects are supported by a number of specialists from the Dutch Ministry of Foreign Affairs, including a Development Cooperation and Tribal Affairs advisor.

Where the situation is sufficiently stable, the Ministry works with professional relief workers to set up larger-scale projects."

as usual the Muslims are throwing all this under the bus....preferring instead...the violent ways of Islam and the Taliban...