Former NASA chief says Obama's idea that the agency should be devoted to outreach to Muslims is "deeply flawed"

"Former NASA chief says Obama's idea that the agency should be devoted to outreach to Muslims is "deeply flawed"

Gee, ya think?

Sultan Knish has an opinion about this, it's worth a read:

http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2010/07/nasa-unveils-new-plan-for-muslims-in.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+FromNyToIsraelSultanRevealsTheStoriesBehindTheNews+%28from+NY+to+Israel+Sultan+Reveals+The+Stories+Behind+the+News%29

Maybe it's not such a bad idea. Getting Muslims interested in space might shift their interpretation of the "farthest mosque" to some locale much "farther" than Jerusalem, and might give the Israelis some breathing room as Hamas turns its attention to re-claiming the Moon with oil-burning rockets. Betcher ass Muslims were there first!

But wait a minute. I'm not up on quranic science. Does the Moon ALSO set in a muddy pool?

"Officials from the White House and NASA on Tuesday stood by Bolden's statement that part of his mission is to improve relations with Muslim countries..."

I'm sure Iran would like some NASA assistance with their peaceful ballistic missile program.

"perhaps foremost, he wanted me to find a way to reach out to the Muslim world and engage much more with dominantly Muslim nations to help them feel good about their historic contribution to science ... and math and engineering."

The story was at first too grotesque to credit. I assumed that, while appearing on Al Jazeera, and at a loss for words, Charles Bolden, now the head of NASA (and not exactly a von Karman), simply wanted to please his Al Jazeera hosts and the Muslim audience, and made the story up. But the article above tells us that "[o]fficials from the White House and NASA on Tuesday stood by Bolden's statement that part of his mission is to improve relations with Muslim countries."

This is not tolerable. This is not what either NASA, or any other agency of the American government, should be doing: engaging in a Self-Esteem Project for Muslims. The offense to history and the truth is rank, the offense to NASA, and its proper mission, screams to the high heaven that used to be NASA's sole concern, and not the self-esteem of those who have altogether too much of the wrong kind, and believe they are Born To Rule, and Deserve To Rule.

As Wafa Sultan, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, and other great and articulate apostates have noted, the best thing to do is to make Muslims uneasy about Islam, to embarrass them into questining it. And they are well aware that for more than a thousand years they have made no contributions to science, and they are not that interested in science, but only in military technology. As for the exaggerated claims made for "Islamic science" or, as George Saliba would have it, "Arabic science," none of the serious Western histories of individual sciences, or of mathematics, supports those exaggerations.

And instead of making Muslims feel good, we should do what we can to make them see that the discouragement of free and skeptical inquiry in Islam, in order to protect the faith from questioning (the true object of worship in Islam is Islam itself) explains the failure of Muslims, once the Christians and Jews and Zoroastrians and Hindus diminished in influence and numbers, to benefit from a non-Muslim milieu in which many of the "Islamic" scientists were raised within, or their parents were, and they too benefitted.

Bolden has been asked to do not just something he should not be doing, as the head of NASA. But even, as a strategy for weakening the threat to us from the Camp of Islam, this is exactly, 180 degrees the wrong strategy.

Very few seem any longer capable of thinking about such matters clearly. They did not, very much, under Bush, and it has not gotten better, but worse, it seems, under Obama. There is still time to change -- just.

Michael Griffin, unique for a NASA administrator, is a true believer in the whole "conquest of space" thing. He was an enthusiastic supporter of the plan announced by Bush, now defunct, to build a permanent colony on the Moon as a springboard for a manned mission to Mars. So it isn't surprising that he's dismayed by what is happening to NASA under Obama.

The universe can do without deing infected with Islamic doctrine thank you very much. When mankind eventually starts to colonise the rest of the universe, and it surely will, please let the Muslims stay behind on this one.

But lets face reality, Islam will not get off this planet under its own steam, it needs to infect, and hitch a ride with a host to do that. That a NASA is being forced to offer up itself as a host, against all scientific logic, is ridiculous. The great American tax-payer should be up in arms against this corruption of science for the sake of (bad) politics.

"...engage much more with dominantly Muslim nations to help them feel good about their historic contribution to science ... and math and engineering?"

Well, why not? Obama is busily destroying every other agency of the government, so why not this one, too?

Griffin is right, and I salute him for forthrightly stating the opinion of what I'm pretty sure is shared by most NASA employees and contractors. But the question is, will Griffin's public complaint really make any difference?

Ironically, most of the academic research community who form the intellectual core of NASA are part of the Liberal establishment, and most of them probably voted for Obama. I should imagine there is a very loud buzzing going on in their heads about now induced by the cognitive dissonance of the revelation that their man is attacking the very core of what, in their hearts, they all know about what it takes to excel in this field, and their social liberal attitudes. But except for a very few whose hearts are more in the social camp than in the science camp, at the end of the day no hard-core scientist that I know is going to buy into it.

Who the hell cares whether Muslims "feel good" about their paltry contributions to science? In a highly competitive field where NOT feeling good is the norm for the 99% who wash out of the science/math/engineering programs, we are expected to care about their feelings?

Excuse me while I vomit.

If muslims had any science contributions to feel good about, wouldn't they have more than one nobel prize in a science-related category?

I wonder if Obama cares whether Jews feel good about anything. Just kidding.

Why are we supposed to reach out specifically to Muslim countries? First off, isn't NASA a United States agency, which is supposed to primarily serve its own country? Second, why is it so important to get in touch with Muslim countries? Why not, say, Buddhist countries or Orthodox Christian countries? Muslim countries are not going to be giving anything in return, so what's the point?

The space agency should not be used as a diplomatic convention center.

What a joke, Sheikh Barry Obungler pandering to muslim "feelings" again. Would be nice for the supposed president of a country to take an interest in the wishes of his constituents but that's not the Islamomarxist way now is it?

Excellent comment and to the point as usual from Hugh:

"And instead of making Muslims feel good, we should do what we can to make them see that the discouragement of free and sceptical inquiry in Islam, in order to protect the faith from questioning (the true object of worship in Islam is Islam itself) explains the failure of Muslims, .."

The primary obligation of any president is to protect American interests, the nation and people; not to tell lies to Muslims to make them feel better about the serious flaws and failures of Islam hoping they may hate us a little less.

What Obama is doing is in principle the same as sending medicine to a tribe of cannibals in Papua New Guinea to cure them from Kuru and not doing anything to change their eating habits, but wishing them Bon Appétit.

(Kuru is a degenerative neurological disorder (brain disease) transmitted among members of the Fore tribe of Papua New Guinea via cannibalism).

And isn´t that also what he is doing in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Alas, there is no cure against kuru and so far no cure has been found against Muslims seriously infected with Islam. ;-)

Hasn't Barry been slapped down by Iran etc. before about his "öutreach" bullcrap? He has no shame.

Over my 20+ years in the aerospace business, I have never seen the mood so ugly.
To my NASA customer-contacts and among fellow contractors, Obama is a joke. But those thousands of talented and dedicated folks who face layoffs thanks to Mr. Community Organizer aren't laughing. And his nonsensical perversion of our industry as an agency to inculcate muslims with artificial and undeserved self-esteem is seen as the ultimate
insult to our efforts...

Obama's “foremost” task to Bolden “to find a way to reach out to the Muslim world and ..help them feel good about their historic contribution to science, math, and engineering"

Is this because Muslims are feeling bad about their present lack of contribution to these fields? Thus the foremost task of NASA is now to provide solace and comfort to them, by helping them dwell on their past?

Ok that seems very reasonable.

What are Obama's next two tasks for NASA?

To "..re-inspire children to want to get into science and math” and to “expand our international relationships,”

Do Aeronautics and Space exploration figure at all somewhere in one of the tasks that NASA may have to perform?

Maybe oneday he might embolden Bolden to “to find a way to reach out to Americans and ..help them feel good about their historic contribution to Space Exploration"?

Perhaps he could deliver this message from a Russian Soyuz rocket on its way to the International Space Station, as the sole method of getting Americans to space.

Has anyone noticed that while Nasa is playing Mister Rogers with the islamic reptiles, the main mission of Nasa is being ignored? Yes, the Bama is spending billions on Nasa but Nasa is a car on four blocks with the engine going 80 mph while going no where. No major exporation of anything, No new mission, no mars trip, no moon trip, no base on moon. No, they are just ferrying astronauts up and down from the space station on russian rockets. Mainly the mission is how much astronauts can endure these BS trips. what a damn waste of talent and money.

"There is no technology they have that we need," Griffin said.

That's because their greatest contribution to the world lies in the fashion industry -- not in aerospace.

Proselytizing for islam? No thank you! I watched two minutes of that garbage and I wanted to puke.

muhammad (perdition is upon him) was a evil man, so who in their right mind would choose to follow him? Oh I know, someone NOT in their right mind, that's who!

Be gone, troll ...

Cernan Calls On Bolden To Resign

Appearing on Fox News, Apollo 17 astronaut Gene Cernan just called on Charlie Bolden to resign. In essence Cernan said that if Bolden believes in what he was directed to say that he should resign and if he does not believe in this then he should also resign.

"We (Armstrong, Lovell and myself) have come to the unanimous conclusion that this budget proposal presents no challenges, has no focus, and in fact is a blueprint for a mission to "nowhere."

http://nasawatch.com/archives/2010/07/cernan-calls-on.html

The order to turn NASA into a therapy unit for Muslims may have come from Obama, yet it does not excuse Bolden from the charge that he is an incompetent placeholder with no sense of the history and achievements of NASA. The Russians may be poor and suffering from shortages but they have enough pride not to engage in such self-debasement.

The full 21 minute interview with Bolden can be found here:

http://behindtheblack.com/

Normally I would agree with most of the above comments. But I think in this case it would be best not to get hung up on the ideology - just puts us in the same place as our Islamic extremist foes and becomes an argument that nobody can win (heck, you can't argue with those maniacs anyway!) The following comment from SpaceOurSoul on the NASA site puts the case for what Boden is trying to achieve rather well:

'Bolden’s trip, and this interview in particular, are part of the sustained effort to deconstruct the artificial narrative that al-Qaeda and the like are desperately trying to fool the Arab world into believing: that there is an inevitable clash of civilizations between the Muslim and Christian worlds. This world-view is the basis of Islamist terrorism, the source of their funding, but most importantly the idea that generates new recruits. This source denied, Islamist terrorism will wither. Obama has to walk a fine line, employing direct military action to destroy the terrorist infrastructure that already exists, while projecting an image of the U.S. that directly counters the terrorists’ grand fantasy. Restricting U.S. policy to military action alone, while it destroys the existing infrastructure, will serve to expand the radical base from which terrorism grows. In addition, the power of al-Qaeda and their ilk must be reduced by removing the ideological bedrock that allows them to grow. Exploiting NASA’s image, perhaps the finest aspect of the U.S. from a foreign perspective, is a very effective way of doing this. This strategy is behind Bolden’s trip, and is why Obama’s first interview was to al-Jazeera. It’s not because Obama’s a secretive Islamist, but because deflating Islamism, even more so than defeating it, is a national security imperative.'

Providing that the exploitation of NASA for an altruistic purpose is maintained (clumsy rhetoric from Obama regarding the reasons why notwithstanding) then there is nothing for the Muslim world to exploit at the detriment of the West through one of its finest achievements - NASA. For example, the Iranians will not abandon their nuclear program BUT if there is a better alternative available in some form of cooperative model that particularly young, educated Iranians will want to embrace, then ignorant Islamic bigots like Ahmedinejad and the Mullocracy in Tehran will eventually find it impossible to contain and will also find it harder to convince Iranians of their twisted world view.

Who knows, one day it could provide the mechanism for Iran to rejoin the international community and join with the other 15 nations to participate and contribute in a very positive way to NASA in furthering mankind rather than holding it back with the dead hand that propagates of medieval Islamic ideology.

The tragedy is that our leaders can't seem to bring themselves to get that education either. The barrier is bizarrely hard to cross. I said to my congressman "Jefferson and Adams read an reread the Koran when they dealt with Jihad in the Barbary Wars. Isn't it important enough for *you* to read it today?" I don't believe he has, so we have to. More will in the future.

Anyone else hear Pam on the Rusty Humphrey show? She spoke on this subject to millions of people, and spoke very well I might add. She also talked about the Detroit bus adds, and a new legal turn of events, which bar the adds due to them being political...... we'll be hearing more on this later.

This all leads back to Cap and Tax aka. Global Jizya.
NASA/GISS is being forced into dhimmitude by simply changing the job expectations.
The anti-American knows exactly what he is being marionetted to do. Supply the OIC with everything they can't think of with their stunted cognition. It's just another form of jizya.

Cap and tax is for having a better standard of living. Climate debt.

NASA/GISS outreach is for having a positive outlook. Culture debt.

'Bolden’s trip, and this interview in particular, are part of the sustained effort to deconstruct the artificial narrative that al-Qaeda and the like are desperately trying to fool the Arab world into believing: that there is an inevitable clash of civilizations between the Muslim and Christian worlds. This world-view is the basis of Islamist terrorism, the source of their funding, but most importantly the idea that generates new recruits. This source denied, Islamist terrorism will wither."

The only people who could believe in this strategy or stratergy are those who think that Al-Qaeda propses an "artificial narrative." But they don't. The same goals as those desired by Al Qaeda or other local variants (LeT, JeM, Hamas, Hezbollah, etc.) are the same perfectly orthodox goals, and the same perfectly mainstream views, of almost all of those who take what Islam inculcates to heart. The only difference is that while some participate in Jihad directly, others do it indirectly, through financing and diplomatic and moral support, and that some prefer not to use what we in the West have no difficulty as describing as terrorism but Muslims have convinced themselves are perfectly legitimate variants of qitaal, combat, required because of the military superiority of the West.

The only people who could believe this, in the Obama Administration or in the previous one, or in any other administration to come, are those whoi have not studied Islam, have relied on either Muslims-in-their-midst (and the more plausible and friendly their aspect, the more accepting their careful attempts to hide or disguise what Islam inculcates and what Muslims believe becomes for the many credulous) or on Western hirelings, such as Esposito, who present apoletics and nonsense. Where are those who have finally grasped the notion that since Islam, the doctrines of Islam, do not change, it is perfectly appropriate and indeed indispensable to study the works of the great Western scholars of Islam who wrote before the Age of Inhibition set in, with a thud, round about 1970?

There are four separate components of this study.

First, there are the observations and scholarship of Schacht, Jeffery, Snouck Hurgronje, Lammens, St. Clair Tisdall, Zwemer, Dufourcq, and dozens of others are available.

Second, there are a handful of modern scholars who grew up within the Arab and Muslim milieu, and themselves are native speakers of Arabic. Such people as Majid Khadduri and Bassam Tibi, because they were not Muslims or have moved away from Islam, are able to tell the truth about the doctrine, and therefore the danger, of Islam. Why, for example, is Khadduri's War and Peace in Islam not standard reading for those who make policy about Iraq and Afghanistan, rather than the vapourings and banalities of T. E. Lawrence, that famous mythomane?

Third, there are the works of apostates, among the ablest analysts of Islam from the inside, at least as valuable as the most valuable defector from the KGB or the Comintern -- who in such works as "The God That Hates" (Wafa Sultan), "Infidel" and "Nomad" (Ayaan Hirsi Ali), "Now they Call Me Infidel" (Nonie Darwish), "Why I Am Not A Muslim" and many articles (Ibn Warraq), and others, that can be picked up at any Borders in Georgetown. What's wrong with our leaders and our political and media class? They can't be bothered to study? They've forgotten how to sit still and read and think? The breathless who's-in-who's-out in "this town" (James Reston's little formulation for Washington that should have been nipped in its obnoxious bud half a century ago) from Mclean to Silver Spring to Dumbarton Oaks just is too exciting, too life-fulfilling, for those who presume to protect and instruct us to actually bother to find out a little something about Islam?

When those who are well-prepared come to power, or those already in power to takea little time from their famously long, hectic, and often vacuous hours as members of "the Administration," to study Islam, and to re-read the texts, and then the real (not false, not apologetic) Western and non-Western scholars, and then read what the defectors from the Army of Islam have to offer, we will be getting somewhere.

Meanwhile, the waste continues -- three trilliion dollars, at least, now wasted in Iraq and Afghanistan for outcomes that will do nothing, or almost nothing, to weaken overall the Camp of Islam, to alert non-Muslims to what Islam inculcates, and above all, to help to force Muslims, not through our boots on the ground and drones and planes in the sky, but simply through dissemination, and open discussion,of what is not hard to show -- that the many failures, political, economic, social, intellectual, and moral, of Muslim states and societies cannot be blamed on the Infidels or explained by the usual Muslim conspiracy theories. They are a result of Islam itself.

When we talk about that, talk endlessly and loudly about it, and actually understand that, we will be overheard by the world's Muslims. And it will be impossible to rebut, for the conditions of their own lives will tell them that such a recognition, by the West and in the West, happens to be true.

When you go out for dinner, if you want to pull it off successfully, you need to know how to use a knife, fork and spoon properly. Each utensil has a proper function and if you don't know how to use them, you look like an idiot.

What is true about a spoon is also true about governmental agencies.

Muslim contribution to science that makes me laugh. Islam and science exclude each other. Islam makes stupid. In his book "The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam" Robert points out "How Allah killed Science". Very recommendable and revealing.

Debbie Schlussel in her blog reminds us that, as asinine as outreach by NASA to the Muslims is as a priority - never mind a "foremost" priority - we shouldn't think that previous Presidents haven't also pushed policies to involve Arab or Muslim countries. Why else would Reagan/Bush have put a Saudi prince into orbit as an "astronaut" after just a few months of pro-forma training? Israel's own astronaut - Ilan Ramon, who died in the Columbia disaster - by contrast earned his wings.

"There is no technology they have that we need," Griffin said.

Hey! Wait a minute! What about Mohammad's flying horse "Barack".
Maybe that's why the President Barak has a soft spot for Muslims on the Moon.
The moon goddess "Allah" and the 360 other gods and godesses would be so happy.

What has Islam contributed to the world? Un-ending war since the 7th century is their greatest contribution. A socially degenerate society is their second greatest contribution (and corrupt politicians love that).

Obama's Nobel prize makes about the same sense as NASA making Muslims feel good for their scientific achievements. In Obama's world nothing makes sense.

What alot of you Islamistprobic racist forget that 2 year ago than ufo landed in Suadic Arabic with very advance tech which the Suadic now have which we needed. Mostly likely knowlege on how to built Reactionless Thruster and givdeme no crap about it breaking sciencist laws. First we donot know it the universer is than close system or than open system and no way to test either idear.

So NASA is to reach out to the "Muslim world?" So, NASA is an outreach agency to a religion? But not an outreach to the Catholic World and the Hindu world? The Muslim world has declared war on the West and has been planning global jihad for decades, so we need to make them feel better about their history? Is it going to be rewritten? So does that mean outreach to Muslim countries with NASA's technology? Seminars, tours, and educational equipment? Access to NASA facilities? Aid them in their missile technologies? Bridge the gap in their offensive weapons systems? Help them feel better about their inability to dominate space and destroy Israel to date?

And where did you hear, DefenderofIslam that the concept of a Reactionless rocket engine has not been tried yet? It was Haroun-al-Rashid's pet project to put the Furthest Mosque on the Moon and he put the Baghdadi scientists to work on it. They succeeded in putting the AlMujahideen mosque on Tranquility Bay a scant few years later, such was their examplary competence. That Neil Armstrong became a Muslim after seeing the same mosque was common knowledge in Lagos and Riyadh. In fact Pink Floyd attempted to make an allusion to the Muslim priority by adding the lines -
Baby killer Nixon send up your B52s to the Bay
leave the chicks alone...,
in their Dark Side of the Moon but their Jewish producers wouldn't allow it. Its a conspiracy I tell ya.

From Ayaan Hirsi Ali, 'Infidel', chapter 5. School, and life, in Kenya.

"...mostly, Ma made us stay home. She and Grandma were far from reconciled to letting us go to school. They didn't trust the Kenyans to teach us anything; they rejected Kenya in every detail. But Haweya and I were like sponges, eager to absorb everything around us.

"One time, I informed my mother that people had walked on the moon.

"Ma said it was nonsense. 'The Kiristaan are so fanciful they could take an airplane to a mountain and think it's the moon', she told me." END QUOTE.

And Obama proposes to send Bolden to talk to, and flatter, a Muslim world stuffed full of people just as wilfully ignorant as that, or worse?

Fr L Menezes' scathing assessment of what Islam does to the human intelligence of those enslaved by it:

"They [Muslims] are generally illiterate and at the same time self-conceited

and their vainglory in their religion and the nothingness of their own acquirements makes them scorn every other religion;

the meager education which they generally receive when young,

makes them believe that there is not much left for them to learn in the world."

(From THE LIFE AND RELIGION OF MOHAMMAD, first published 1912, p. 140).

In honour of the Space Age.

The trailer for a film that I rather like, 'October Sky', though I like the autobiographical book it was based on - 'Rocket Boys' - even better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnX6yU8PJHE

And another of my favourite movies...[note: fictional elements]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asmnn0mNEeE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmt_yUUeaDQ&feature=related

This is what Naipaul meant by 'the universal civilisation'.

It is something that Islam can neither imagine, create nor comprehend.

First space mission by Muslim astronauts: 2100 A.D.

Muslim astronauts aboard the Al-Buraq space shuttle are headed for the moon, to verify Prophet Muhammad's claim that Allah split the moon in half. If they cannot find evidence of a split, the Muslim astronauts are prepared to martyr themselves with enough explosives to make sure the moon splits.

"Wouldn't that mean that Muhammad was wrong -- if the astronauts have to split the moon with explosives?"

"No, no, no," said NASA chief Dawud "Dave" ibn Firnas, "it is the contention of our Islamic tradition that the Jews over time have managed to glue the moon back together to make it seem as though the Prophet (PBUH) lied. This lunar martyrdom project will simply restore and reveal the truth..."

Bolden is just showing he's got the "Right Stuff" by demonstrating how far his head is in the clouds.

What a clown this guy is - Buck Rogers in the 7th Century.

Standby for Burqa spacesuits and Halal Tang.

Perhaps Bolden can have NASA devise a way to sight the Moon after landing on it.