Hamas-linked CAIR leader charges Islamic supremacist Ground Zero mega-mosque opponents with "Islamophobia"

ZeadRamadan.jpgZead Ramadan at yesterday's Landmarks Commission hearing


NBC New York identified Zead Ramadan only as a "New Yorker" and a "Muslim," and quoted him distancing Islam from the 9/11 attacks:

"The villains who did this to our country do not represent Islam in any way whatsoever," said New Yorker Zead Ramadan, who is Muslim.

The New York Post didn't identify Ramadan in any way, saying only that he "said his wife was a first responder on 9/11":

Zead Ramadan -- who said his wife was a first responder on 9/11 -- testified for the mosque.

"We are picking and choosing which houses of worship can open at which streets and we are opening a can of worms," he said, adding, "It's called Islamophobia."

CNN didn't identify him at all, except by name:

"It's called Islamaphobia, pure and simple," said Zead Ramadan while being heckled.

It's interesting that the mainstream media identified Zead Ramadan so vaguely. Maybe they did that because of who he really is.

Ramadan did indeed rile the crowd with his spurious charges of "Islamophobia" at yesterday's Landmarks Commission hearing over whether 45 Park Place, the proposed site of the Islamic supremacist Ground Zero mega-mosque, should be designated a New York City landmark. And that wasn't all he did. At one point he brushed past me and asked, "How's business?," and went over to speak with the owner of the 45 Park Place property, Sherif El-Gamal.

I didn't know what he meant, so I went over to ask him just that -- "What do you mean?"

Ramadan rounded on me and said, "You're in the Islam-hating business, Robert! And you're making big money!" That was ironic -- there he was standing with a guy who is plunking down 100 million dollars to build an Islamic supremacist mega-mosque at Ground Zero, and I have to go begging to raise $8,000 to place some ads on taxicabs and buses, and he says I've got big money.

But I let it pass. Instead, I responded: "'Islam hating'? Yeah, I'm against the 9/11 attacks, and stonings, and amputations..." Ramadan struck an aggrieved tone. "We're against all that!," he declared. Skeptical, I replied, "Yeah, sure you are." This hotly offended Ramadan, but I explained: "If you were really against those things, you'd be standing with me, not defaming me." He then began to hector me, but then Sherif El-Gamal called to him sternly, "Zead," and told him to cool it.

Then I tried to take his picture. But when I took out my phone, Ramadan took out his and moved as if to take my picture in turn. Of course I have no objection to having my picture taken by anyone, so I gave him a big smile and kept trying to take his picture, but he kept moving his arm in front of his face so that I couldn't get a shot. Then he and a couple of hijabbed women began moving up the aisle.

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I followed. As they passed a policeman who was standing in the middle of the hall, one of the hijabbed women gestured at me and said to the policeman, "Will you please get him to stop what he is doing?" Since I wasn't doing anything but walking up the aisle behind them, it was unclear what she wanted the cop to do, but of course what it was really all about was demonizing the kuffar.

And so when we got to the back of the hall I tried again to take Ramadan's picture, and the policeman ordered me to stop. "What?" I said. "It's illegal to take someone's picture now?" He conceded that it wasn't, and allowed me to get a clear shot of Ramadan as he was being interviewed by one of the members of the fawning mainstream media (that is the picture at the top of this post).

The idea that taking someone's picture is an act of aggression that warrants asking for help from the police is an example of how Islamic supremacists claim victim status and have banished civility from the public discourse by endlessly trying to smear and demonize their opponents.

Or maybe it's just that Zead Ramadan has something to hide. NBC New York, the New York Post, and CNN didn't see fit to mention it, but Zead Ramadan is actually Board President of the New York chapter of the Council on American-Relations. CAIR is an unindicted co-conspirator in a Hamas terror funding case -- so named by the Justice Department. CAIR operatives have repeatedly refused to denounce Hamas and Hizballah as terrorist groups. Several former CAIR officials have been convicted of various crimes related to jihad terror, and that CAIR's cofounder and longtime Board chairman (Omar Ahmad), as well as its chief spokesman (Honest Ibe Hooper), have made Islamic supremacist statements.

Zead Ramadan's involvement with CAIR certainly puts his claim to be "against all that" in an intriguing new light. And his apparently close relations with Sherif El-Gamal suggests yet again that the people behind this Ground Zero mega-mosque are not what they claim to be. Contrary to his claims of moderation, the Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, leader of the mega-mosque initiative, is an open advocate for Sharia. He has (like CAIR) refused to denounce Hamas. He has lied about his commitment to religious dialogue. He has lied about whether the Islamic center planned for the Ground Zero site will contain a mosque or not. And he has lied about whether or not the project is getting foreign funding. He helped fund the jihad flotilla against Israel.

But Zead Ramadan self-righteously insists that they're "against all that." There's just one problem for Zead: the truth keeps showing up at the most inconvenient times.

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More grievance theater:

Saudi’s mistreatment at LA airport goes unexplained


http://arabnews.com/saudiarabia/article83136.ece

from the comments:

So you have tasted your own medicine, isn't it. Just see how Saudis treat people coming to their airports. Passengers are regularly humiliated at Saudi airports. So now they are experiencing it themselves elsewhere.

Robert - You must have forgotten to take your Islamophobia pills, before you went to the meeting !

"'We are picking and choosing which houses of worship can open at which streets and we are opening a can of worms,' he said, adding, "It's called Islamophobia."

"'It's called Islamaphobia, pure and simple,' said Zead Ramadan while being heckled.It's called 'Islamophobia.'"


Hugh Fitzgerald on "Islamophobia":

“When the world is compelled to coin a new term to take account of increasingly widespread bigotry -- that is a sad and troubling development,” Annan said. “Such is the case with ‘Islamophobia.’ The word seems to have emerged in the late 1980s and early 1990s. Today, the weight of history and the fallout of recent developments have left many Muslims around the world feeling aggravated and misunderstood, concerned about the erosion of their rights and even fearing for their physical safety.”

The “world” was not “compelled to coin a new term” -- it was Muslims who coined the word, and they did so deliberately. For that word so deliberately kept undefined is merely a weapon employed to deflect criticism, to label all those who may offer criticism of Islam and of its adherents, basing their criticism not on some blind prejudice, but on their own observations and study. Indeed, the entire Western world -- its political leaders, its media, its university departments of Middle Eastern studies -- have all been engaged in a massive effort to deflect criticism or disarm it. It is despite all that that Infidels everywhere are coming to some conclusions about Islam, and the more they study, and the more they observe, and the more “Interfaith” gatherings and little Muslim Outreach evenings they attend, all of which end up being dismal exercises in Taqiyya and Tu-Quoque argumentation, the more wary, and critical, and indignant, and sometimes more, they become. The game is up. From a Beslan school full of children to a Bali nightclub full of revellers, from Madrid subways to Moscow theatres, from New York skyscrapers to Najaf mosques (where Sadr’s bezonians tortured, killed, and stacked the bodies of Iraqis who had opposed their reign of terror), from Istanbul to India, the evidence just keeps piling up. And the evidence, too, of what is actually in the Qur’an and hadith and sira -- and how many Infidels, a few years ago, even had heard of the “hadith” and the “sira,” or had any idea what was really in the Qur’an, or had ever heard of the Treaty of al-Hudaibiyya -- is now online, and it can easily be read. And all the excuses, all the nonsense, can no longer be offered up -- for we Infidels, fortunately, have the guidance of defectors from Islam, ex-Muslims such as Ibn Warraq (whose own three-part guide, posted at Jihad Watch, to debating Muslims, and how not to be intimidated or snookered, will for many prove invaluable).

Kofi Annan, as Oriana Fallaci notes in her Fallaci Intervista Fallaci, looks, on the surface, to be far more presentable, and far more decent, and far more intelligent -- grey hair, gravelly voice, grave mien -- than in fact he is. The words quoted above are the words of a simpleton. Perhaps Edward Mortimer, that early admirer of Khomeini and Nazi-Zionist conspiracy theorist, who feels a special responsibility to protect Islam, is the main puppet-master here, or perhaps it is Ms. Rishmawi (the “Palestinian” behind-the-scenes operative who was so influential with Mary Robinson, she of the antisemitic lynch-mob meeting in Durban in September 2001). Or perhaps it is Annan -- the man who is responsible for more black African deaths than anyone since Leopold III of Belgium, who really thinks that the word “Islamophobia” came into use because it actually described a real, and deplorable condition -- that is, unfair, unjust, prejudiced and irrational (i.e. without foundation, against reason and logic) phobia, or hatred, of Islam. What is unreasonable or irrational would be the opposite -- that is, the continued inability of many Infidels to regard Islam as just another “religion” worthy of respect, perhaps at the edges a bit rough, but hijacked by a few extremists, or even many extremists, but having a decency at its core, a real religion of “peace” and “tolerance” as a number of Western leaders have insisted.

If, upon reading and studying Qur’an and hadith and sira, and if, after looking around the world over the past few years, and if, after having studied the history of Jihad-conquest and Muslim behavior toward dhimmis -- Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians, Hindus, Buddhists -- you do not feel a deep hostility toward the belief-system of Islam and toward its adherents (for the category of “moderate” is nearly meaningless, given the dangerous use to which “moderates” can be put in continuing to mislead the unwary Infidels), then it is you who are irrational, and need to have your head examined.
Kofi Annan is not the worst secretary-general of the U.N. That prize, so far, goes to Nazi war criminal Kurt Waldheim. But Annan still has some months, or even years, to go. It may soon be neck-and-neck. It may be a photo finish. And that’s not all that will be finished.

The word “Islamophobia” must be held up for inspection, its users constantly asked precisely how they would define that word, and they should be put on the defensive for waving about what is clearly meant to be a scare-word that will silence criticism.
So let us ask them which of the following criticisms of Islam is to be considered “Islamophobia”:

1) Muhammad is a role-model for all time. Muhammad married Aisha when she was 6 and had sexual intercourse with her when she was 9. I find appalling that Muslims consider this act of Muhammad to be that of the man who is in every way a role model, and hence to be emulated. In particular, I am appalled that virtually the first act of the Ayatollah Khomeini, a very orthodox and learned Shi’a theologian, was to lower the marriageable age of girls in Iran to 9 -- because, of course, it was Aisha’s age when Muhammad had sexual relations with her.

2) I find appalling that Islam provides a kind of Total Regulation of the Universe, so that its adherents are constantly asking for advise as to whether or not, for example, they can have wear their hair in a certain way, grow their beards in a certain way, wish an Infidel a Merry Christmas (absolutely not!).

3) I find appalling the religiously-sanctioned doctrine of taqiyya -- would you like some quotes, sir, about what it is, or would you like to google “taqiyya” and find its sources in the Qur’an?

4) I find appalling many of the acts which Muhammad committed, including his massacre of the Banu Qurayza, his ordering the assassination of many of those he deemed his opponents, even an old man, a woman, or anyone whom, he thought, merely mocked him.

5) I find appalling the hatred expressed throughout the Qur’an, the hadith, and the sira for Infidels -- all Infidels.

6) I find nauseating the imposition of the jizya on Infidels, the requirement that they wear identifying garb on their clothes and dwellings, that they not be able to build or repair houses of worship without the permission of Muslim authorities, that they must ride donkeys sidesaddle and dismount in the presence of Muslims, that they have no legal recourse against Muslims for they are not equal at law -- and a hundred other things, designed to insure their permanent, as the canonical texts say, “humiliation.”

7) I find the mass murder of 60-70 million Hindus, over 250 years of Mughal rule, and the destruction of tens of thousands of artifacts and Hindu (and Buddhist) temples, some of the Hindu ones listed in works by Sita Ram Goel, appalling.

8) I find the 1300-year history of the persecution of the Zoroastrians, some of it continuing to this day, according the great scholar of Zoroastrianism, Mary Boyce, which has led to their reduction to a mere 150,000, something to deplore. There are piquant details in her works, including the deliberate torture and killing of the dogs (which are revered by Zoroastrians), even by small Muslim children who are taught to so behave.

9) I find the record of Muslim intellectual achievement lacking, and I attribute this lack to the failure to encourage free and skeptical inquiry, which is necessary for, among other things, the development of modern science.

10) I deplore the prohibition on sculpture or on paintings of living things. I deplore the horrific vandalism and destruction of Christian, Jewish, Zoroastrian, Hindu, and Buddhist sites.

11) I deplore the Muslim jurisprudence which renders all treaties between Infidels and Muslims worthless from the viewpoint of the Infidels, though worth a great deal from the viewpoint of the Muslims, for they are only signing a “hudna,” a truce-treaty rather than a true peace-treaty -- and because they must go to war against the Infidel, or press their Jihad against the Infidel in other ways, on the model of the Treaty of al-Hudaibiyya, no Infidel state or people can ever trust a treaty with Muslims.

12) I deplore the speech of Mahathir Mohammad, so roundly applauded last year, in which he called for the “development” not of human potential, not of art and science, but essentially of weapons technology and the use of harnessing and encouraging Muslim “brain power” for the sole purpose of defeating the Infidels, as a reading of that entire speech makes absolutely clear. Here -- would you like me to read it now for the audience?

13) I deplore the fact that Muslims are taught, and they seem to have taken those teachings to heart, to offer their loyalty only to fellow Muslims, the umma al-islamiyya, and never to Infidels, or to the Infidel nation-state to which they have uttered an oath of allegiance but apparently such an oath must be an act of perjury, because such loyalty is impossible. Am I wrong? Show me exactly what I have misunderstood about Islam.

14) I deplore the ululations of pleasure over acts of terrorism, the delight shown by delighted and celebrating crowds in Cairo, Ramallah, Khartoum, Beirut, Damascus, Baghdad, and of course all over Saudi Arabia, when news of the World Trade Center attacks was known -- and I can, if you wish, supply the reports from those capitals which show this to have taken place. I attribute statements of exultation about the “Infidels” deserving it to the fact that Islamic tenets view the world as a war between the Believers and the Infidels.

15) On that score, I deplore that mad division of the world between Dar al-Islam and dar al-Harb, and the requirement that there be uncompromising hostility between the two, until the final triumph of the former, and the permanent subjugation, and incorporation into it, of the latter.

16) I deplore the sexual inequality and mistreatment of women which I believe I can show has a clear basis in the canonical Islamic texts, and is not simply, pace Ebadi and other quasi-”reformers,” a “cultural” matter.

17) I deplore the fact that Infidels feel, with justice, unsafe in almost every Muslim country, but that Muslims treat the Infidel countries, and their inhabitants, with disdain, arrogance, and endless demands for them to bend, to change, to what Muslims want -- whether it be to remove crucifixes, or change the laws of laicity in France, or to demand that “hate speech” laws be extended in England so as to prevent any serious and sober criticism of Islam.

18) I deplore the emphasis on the collective, and the hatred for the autonomy of the individual. In particular, I believe that someone born into Islam has a perfect right to leave Islam if he or she chooses -- and that there should be no punishment, much less the murderous punishment so often inflicted.

19) I find the record of Muslim political despotism to be almost complete -- with the exception of those Muslim countries and regimes that have, as Ataturk did, carried out a series of measures to limit and constrain Islam.

20) I deplore the fact that while Muslims claim it is a “universalist” religion, it has been a vehicle for Arab imperialism, causing those conquered and Islamized in some cases to forget, or become indifferent or even hostile to, their own pre-Islamic histories. The requirement that the Qur’an be read in Arabic (one of the first things Ataturk did was commission a Turkish Qur’an and tafsir, or commentary), and the belief by many Muslims that the ideal form of society can be derived from the Sunna of 7th century Arabia, and that their own societies are worth little, is an imperialism that goes to culture and to history, and is the worst and most complete kind.

21) I deplore the attacks on ex-Muslims who often must live in fear. I deplore the attacks on Theo van Gogh and others, and the absence of serious debate about the nature of Islam and of its reform -- except as a means to further beguile and distract Infidels who are becoming more wary.

22) I deplore the emptiness of the “Tu Quoque” arguments directed at Christians and Jews, based on a disingenuous quotation of passages -- for example, from Leviticus -- that are completely ignored and have not been invoked for two thousand years, and I deplore the rewriting of history so that a Muslim professor can tell an American university audience that “the Ku Klux Klan used to crucify (!) African-Americans, everyone standing around during the crucifixion singing Christian hymns (!).”

23) I deplore the phony appeals of the “we all share one Abrahamic faith” and “we are the three monotheisms” when, to my mind, a Christian or a Jew has far less to fear from, and in the end far more in common with, any practicing polytheistic Hindu.

24) I do not think Islam, which is based on the idea of world-conquest, not of accommodation, and whose adherents do not believe in Western pluralism except insofar as this can be used as an instrument, temporarily most useful, to protect the position of Islam until its adherents have firmly established themselves.

25) I deplore the view, in Islam, that it is not a saving of an individual soul that is involved when one conducts Da’wa or the Call to Islam, but rather, something that appears to be much more like signing someone up for the Army of Islam. He need not have read all the fine print; he need not know Islamic tenets; he need not even have read or know what is in sira and hadith or much of the Qur’an; he need only recite a single sentence. That does not show a deep concern for the nature of the conversion (sorry, “reversion”).

26) I deplore the sentiment that “Islam is to dominate and not to be dominated. “ I deplore the sentiment “War is deception” as uttered by Muhammad. I deplore what has happened over 1350 years, in vast swaths of territory, formerly filled with Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians, Hindus, Buddhists, much of which is now today almost monotonously Islamic. I do not think Islam welcomes any diversity if it means the possibility of full equality for non-Muslims.

27) I deplore the fact that slavery is permitted in Islam, that it is discussed in the Qur’an, that it was suppressed in 19th century Arabia only through the influence of British naval power in the Gulf; that it was formally done away with in Saudi Arabia only in 1962; that it still exists in Mali, and the Sudan, and even Mauritania; that it may exist in the Arabian interior, but certainly the treatment of the Thai, Filipino, Indian and other female house workers in Arab households amounts to slavery, and it is no accident that there has never been a Muslim William Wilberforce.

I could go on, and am prepared to adduce history, and quotations from the canonical texts. And so are hundreds of thousands of Infidels who have looked into Islam, or in their own countries, had a close look at the Muslim populations which have made their own Infidel existences far more unpleasant, expensive, and dangerous than they would otherwise be.

If this is “Islamophobia” -- show me exactly why it is irrational (i.e. not based on facts or observable behavior, or a study of history), an “irrational” dislike or even hatred of Islam. If you cannot show that, then perhaps the word should not be invoked. But if you do invoke it, be prepared to have copious quotations from Qur’an and hadith and sira constantly presented to audiences so that they may judge for themselves, without the “guidance” of apologists for Islam, both Muslim and non-Muslim.

[Posted by Hugh on December 14, 2004]

It's called Islamaphobia, pure and simple...

Islamaphobe? Where do I sign up?

*** 8:12 ***

I'm not afraid of Moslem Men per se, never saw one I didn't think I could beat into the ground in a fight. But I fear what they could do to our civilization, and rue what they've already done.

Zead Ramadan is using the same tactics of denial and projection that the Nazis used. Time and time again from 1933-1939 Hitler, Goebbels and other Nazis denied that they had any hostile, aggressive intentions towards the Poles, the Czechs, the Danes and so on. All they wanted, so they said, was fair treatment from others. National Socialism everyone was told posed no threat to any other nation. At the same time they accused others like the Poles and Czechs of being brutal, haters, bigots and so on, which, of course, described the Nazis themselves perfectly. As Yogi Berra once said, it's deja vu all over again.

"The villains who did this to our country do not represent Islam in any way whatsoever," said New Yorker Zead Ramadan, who is Muslim."

Start with 9.29 and 9.5. Then with virtually all of Sura 9. Then with all of the Quran'ic verses listed in the Calcutta Koran Petitition. Then with hundreds of blood-curdling Hadith -- they're not hard to find. Then with details in the life of Muhammad, the Perfect Man, al-insan al-kamil, the Model of Conduct, uswa hasana, the man who had 600-900 bound prisoners of the Banu Qurayza killed, who led a raid on the inoffensive Jewish farmers of the Khaybar Oasis to seize their hard-earned property and to take their women as sex slaves, the man who was delighted to learn of the murder of Asma bint Marwan by one of his followers, outraged that the female poet had mocked him in verse, the man who at 56 consummated his marrage to Aisha -- she was nine at the time.

Go from there.

And if you need to adduce further evidence, there is Ayatollah Khomeini. There is Qaradawi. There are hundreds of learned Sunni and Shi'a clerics on the subject of Jihad.

And there are, too, scholars of modern Islam -- Majid Khadduri and Bassam Tibi come to mind -- who tell the truth about the texts and tenets of Islam, and about other events in the history of the Life of Muhammad that have had an enduring effect on the behavior and attitudes of Islam -- as, for example, the agreement reached at Hudabiyya between Muhammad and the Meccans in 628 A.D.

Zaed Ramadan hopes you are completely ignorant of Islam, as ignorant as Mayor Bloomberg and other bien-pensants who make pronouncements about Islam without having bothered to study, without knowing a damn thing.

He hopes you don't know, and won't adduce the evidence that you can accumulate, as to the doctrine, and practice, of Islam.

Disappoint him.

Bitterly disappoint him.

Do.

"The villains who did this to our country do not represent Islam in any way whatsoever, " said New Yorker Zead Ramadan, who is Muslim.

How could the NY Post not mention Ramadans connection with CAIR ? Shoddy journalism ? After all, CAIR is not some little group that just formed overnight.

And the Post is a conservative newspaper - it's the only paper that I buy daily. What a disappointment !

Islamophobia may be a fictional affliction, but Mosque Blight is very real for those unfortunate kuffars who have to live near these places.

Folks

Off topic a little - for an article I'm writing, I'm trying to compare the "sympathy-garnering" subterfuge practiced by the Palestinians and the Kashmiri Muslims.

If you have appropriate links on the approaches used by Palestinian groups please point in the right direction. I've already done a fair amount of googling on this.

[I have the Kashmiri Muslim issues well covered]

Thanks for your help.

I would be one of those as well. Sign me up for the Islamaphobe club! I look forward to the day that ANY high ranking Muslim stand up publicly and strongly condemn the extreme nature of their faith and those who kill innocent people. Unfortunately the Qur'an teaches that it is important to lie to deceive the infidel until the infidel is outnumbered and unable to defend itself.

Very well spoken, Spencer, and all who spoke against the Ground Zero mosque (masjid in Arabic, place-of-battle), that it would be a travesty of insensitivity for the American people if it were built. The Commission may listen to reason and grant it landmark status, or if its decision is in any way tainted by Arab oil money (unearned), then it will go the other way. Which will it be? New Yorkers should be very concerned here. "Islamophobia" is a canard.

I would be one of those as well. Sign me up for the Islamaphobe club! I look forward to the day that ANY high ranking Muslim stand up publicly and strongly condemn the extreme nature of their faith and those who kill innocent people. Unfortunately the Qur'an teaches that it is important to lie to deceive the infidel until the infidel is outnumbered and unable to defend itself.

Don't forget that this mosques will be a 501 3) (c) entity and pay NO taxes. It will be able to collect (LAUNDER) donations to charities (terror front groups, including CAIR).

No wonder they're pushing this thing.

Funny how the reporters identified this man as just "a New Yorker." There are eight million other people who could share that label. Were these hacks absent the day they taught journalism in school?

AJack - there are some links on the sympathy-garnering tactics used by muslims in general under the heading 'VICTIMHOOD' at http://crombouke.blogspot.com/2010/01/everything-you-need-to-know-about-islam.html

Recall that the Times Square bomber was a "Connecticut man behind on his mortgage."

The Ft. Hood mass murderer was a "military doctor."

And the Buffalo, NY couple, well, they're not a couple anymore. She lost her head.

The media should join the Pentagon; neither can identify the enemy.

Who me Islamophobic? You bet. I mean for me and my family stay alive. Thats why we're watching you barstards.

'...one of the hijabbed women gestured at me and said to the policeman, "Will you please get him to stop what he is doing?"'

Yes Robert, that woman does not want you to continue your crusade to keep women safe from Islamic supremacism, abuse and death. But I'm thrilled that you are standing up for me and I encourage you to keep up the good work. You and yours are in my prayers.

As to the be-hijabbed babe who did the gesturing, let the dead bury the dead.

"Islamophobia" would be to oppose construction of all mosques. We are discussing one particular mosque, people are against this one, not all the others. People of NYC are not Islamophobic.

Why is it so important that this particular mosque be built? Why build where there is community resistance?

Building mosques as a form of "outreach" is offensive. The people of NYC do not want another mosque, they want a clear statement signed by all Islamic authorities that:
* 9/11 attack was immoral and unjustified
* the Jewish Holocaust was real (Holocaust denial is very, very offensive in our society)
*the Protocols of Elders of Zion is a forgery
*Jews and Arabs should live as peaceful neighbors in a two-state solution
*Violent Jihad against the West is unjustified

That would be very nice outreach indeed!

Building a mosque on what is sacred ground to Americans is not outreach, it is offensive. It builds tensions. Why do it?

And how dare you complain about discrimination here, while ignoring the Judeophobia in the Islamic world!? How many Synagogues have been built in Syria or Eqypt recent times? How about one across the street from Al Azhar in Cairo?? It could be the perfect sister institution of your Cordoba Mosque. In the spirit of outreach, my friend....

@Robert

You should have told the prick that it was muhammadan supremacists like him that were helping to build your business.

Zead Ramadan should be asked if he is for or against the many statements of Muhammad that apostates from Islam should be killed.

MUHAMMAD SAID: DEATH TO THOSE WHO LEAVE ISLAM
In Sahih Bukhari, the most canonical of hadith collections, Muhammad said, "Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him." Various other hadiths attest that Muhammad called for death to those who leave Islam. That's why even today all the schools of Islamic law prescribe death for apostasy from Islam.


Hey Zead - Go...well, you know, you Muslim Barbarian. GET OUT OF OUR JUDEO-CHRISTIAN COUNTRY. GO BACK TO YOUR islamic CRAPISTAN.

They are the enemy. This is propaganda. "Islamophobia" is an Islamist agit-prop thought-stopping buzzword, as are "racist" and "bigot". Subtleties are not needed here. At present they know they can lie and that the majority of the kuffar are still to ignorant to know they are being lied to and too lazy and comfortable to question. Keep calling them out until by their actions their intent becomes obvious even to some of our more ostrich-like fellow citizens.

Was one of those hijababies the one who was blubbering about losing her "family" on 9/11 -- and yet there she stands in hijab advocating for a triumphalist mosque? Calling for "interfaith" moves while wearing the symbol of her enslavement to Allah, Mohammed, Sharia, and the males in her family? Please.

For that word so deliberately kept undefined is merely a weapon employed to deflect criticism---said by Hugh

Yes, just like 'racism' has become a meaningless word used by liberals to shut up everyone who is opposed to their destructive agenda and their insidious ideology, an ideology they won't clearly or openly express because they know it will be vigorously opposed. Muslims and liberals operate under cover of darkness, behind the scenes, and by calling their critics names because they know they cannot reveal the truth of their motives and actions.

Robert Spencer is not in the 'islam hating' business; he's in the 'islam exposure' business and he's doing a superb job! It is true that when people learn about islam they tend to fear and dislike it, which is entirely justified. It is dangerous and downright stupid to invite your enemies into your home, and that's what we have done by allowing muslim immigration. Why compound the threat by encouraging them to congregate by the thousands the most densely populated and target rich city in America, a city islamic terrorists have vowed to strike again and have attempted to strike again?

"We're against all that!," ..always so quick to condemn.
The CEO El-Gamal barking at the head of CAIR NY..
Sounds like these moderates are playing with scared money.

You look at a face like that. You know the ideas in the mind behind the face like that. And you ask yourself, what does this man, this Zaed Ramadan, who thinks that the Qur'an is the literal word of God, thinks that is that it is his duty "to slay the Unbelievers wherever he finds them," who thinks that Muhammad is the Perfect Man, despite the mass killings of the Banu Qurayza, and despite the murderous raid, for women and loot, on the Khaybar Oasis, and despite the assassinations of Asma bint Marwan and Abu Afak, and despite little Aisha, and despite hundreds of blood-curdling Hadith, and despite his belief that Shari'a should surpass, should replace, the Constitution of the United States, which is flatly contradicted, in letter and spirit, by that Shari'a, and you know what he thinks about the proper role of non-Muslims, you know that he believes that Muslims are the "best of peoples" and that he has not only a duty, but a positive right, to establish a world where Islam dominates, and Muslims rule, by whatever means necessary or effective, and however long it takes -- what does this Zaed Ramadan, who with Faisal Abdul Rauf and Saudi deep-pocketed backers waiting, with their unearned trillions, and their sneers of cold command, and their daggers-and-dishdashas dances, and their everything, and you ask -- what is America to the likes of Zaed Ramadan, and what should the likes of Zaed Ramadan be to America? Just look at all the disruption, the anguish,the heartache he and Faisal Rauf, who can't quite believe his luck at figuring out a way to make so much money (oh, he'll be paying himself, don't you think, for his "enterprise" in starting this whole 100-million dollar mosque project? He and Daisy will do just fine), have caused already, anguish and heartache and disruption and upset, that will not go away, that will only grow, and that will become intolerable with the triumphalist achievement of this sinister project, if it is indeed achieved. How did such people get here? Why are they here? How can they possibly fit in to the United States, or to the West? Are we to assume that they do not believe what every defector from the Army of Islam - Wafa Sultan, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Ibn Warraq and many more -- tell us they do most certainly believe, and warn us, further, of the well-versed arts of taqiyya that they practice? Why should this have happened? When did we allow it to happen, and do we want to become like Western Europe, where the disruption, the unpleasantness, the expense, the physical danger, are all palpable, and some say, despairingly, "but what can we do?" and "but it's just too late."

It's not too late. There is plenty to be done.

"When people tried to warn the Jews in Germany, I bet Hitler and his minions called it "Fearmongering" or "Hatemongering."

Things don't really change, do they?

Zead Ramadan suffers from *TRUTHOPHOBIA*, as do all mohammedans and muslim apologists.

Denial runs deep in islamoland ...

Perhaps it was "Naziphobia"?

I suppose some media will present it as "Right-winger Robert Spencer being unpleasantly aggressive" and "after complaints from muslim women he had to be warned off by police". Anyway Zead Ramadan and ladies should have a fine tale to tell.

I read it,spent half an hour giving my succinct response.....and naturally "Voila",it never showed up....I was disgustingly polite etc., etc.,did NOT give a current e-mail(altho' active)and truncated my usual Username b/c I really,really don't need threats via e-mail etc.....Let me know if it shows up,another half hr of my life wasted...trying to enlighten people who obviously do not want to be and cannot deal with a rational point of view....sigh.....

When phobias are an acquired behavior resulting from prior adverse experiences, they can have substantial survival value. Such phobias may protect against becoming victims, like others have become in the past.

I would love to ask Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf on an open mike the following question:

I would like to know your personal take, man to man, infidel to Islamist, when you choke on the shame that festers inside you that you are too weak and powerless to subjugate me under the sword of Islam, how does that make you feel? Just for once roundfile the high road, the apologetics, the self-deprecating artful taqiyya, no press friendly bullet points, the out of context Koranic dribble, and from the heart express what you, as a true slave of Allah, would like to happen in America and to men like me under Sharia Law.

And I would lo-o-o-o-o-o-v-e to hear his answer.

So Spencie, I don't get why you decided to take this man's picture, was that part of your attempt at civilized discourse? I also don't get why you keep popping up in my hometown, you're not from New York, and you don't live there - I know that you taught in the Bronx for a stretch, but that was a long time ago. Seems to me that you're just a provocateur polemicist, not some august scholar who is afraid of submitting his work to peer review.

Yup.

I have a healthy, life-preserving case of sharkophobia, crocodilophobia ( since just this last wet season, at least three or four people jumped into salty water and promptly disappeared into the waiting jaws of saltwater crocodiles), box-jellyfish-phobia, redbellyblacksnake-phobia, redbackspider-phobia (which means I look carefully under the lid if I am using a bush outhouse) and funnelwebspider-phobia (which means I do not ever, out in the garden or under the house, put my fingers or toes into places where I can't see what I'm touching)...all Australians will know exactly what I mean.

Just as, were I in northern Australia, I would exercise a healthy caution upon observing a large saltwater crocodile basking on the shores of a billabong, so - knowing what I know about the broad trail of blood that has followed the ummah on three continents for 14 centuries - I view the sight of any self-identified Mohammedan with wariness, and view the Mohammedan's pronouncements with scepticism. Sure, some hijabette may complain of my looking at her funny. That's because her Slave Rag tells me that I'm looking at a gang moll of the Mohammedan Mob.

I was at a garden party-cum-Open Day, on Australia Day; at the stately home of a VIP. The grounds were full of happily-picnicking members of the great Australian public. And when I saw two hijabettes amongst the crowd, I have to say, I scanned the vicinity, and observed their movements, with heightened awareness. Nothing to stop them from having brought in something suspect in their picnic baskets...(and I must say I was astonished to find that backpacks, eskies, and picnic baskets, of which there were a great many, were NOT being, every one of them, opened and checked as their owners went in through the gates; certainly, mine wasn't; and I had come prepared to proffer it for searching).

There is irrational fear (e.g. of a harmless carpet snake, which has no venom, or of a daddy long legs spider); and there is rational fear, based on recognition of real danger, which should lead not to paralysis, but to the taking of rational precautions and, as necessary, defensive and even offensive action. Many is the poisonous snake that, during my childhood in the country, was summarily despatched with a hoe, after it had entered the house.

Fear of Islam; that is, fear of Muslims who have not openly and publicly renounced Islam in word and deed, is a rational fear.

As I said before, you are simply devoted to being a mindless PC zombie, aren't you, Dustie? In addition, you're snippy and snide. Didn't your mother raise you better?

And, as far as NYC being "your hometown" - lol! Who cares! Hey people, let's all go to NYC and converge on Dustie's "turf!" You're such a loser, Dustan.

Shouldn't you be sacking out for the night under your bridge somewhere?

Ah, trying to get into the mind of a Mohammedan. That's a dark labyrinthine effort if ever there were one. I would only observe that cult members (and Islam is arguably the largest, most sustained cult of all time) have lost the good sense they were born with and have forfeited a part of their mind so as to believe in the cult. And once you give up a part of your mind, any amount of nonsense is possible to accept or excuse.

He's a Muzzie and worse still he's a troll who defends the evil that Islam perpetrates against us infidels every day and has done for 1,400 years. As he hates the West so much, he's not fit to live here, and as such he and his dysfunctional ilk needs deporting to a suitable Muslim craphole like Iran or Pakistan.

Dustan is an internet stalker, and he should be placed under arrest for the creepy threats hes made. Funny how he boasts about watching you, Robert, when in fact he's under the watchful eye of the FBI! Ha Ha, what an idiot ...

"Islamophobia" like its intellectual kissing cousins "anti-Semitism/self-hating Jew" for critics of the State of Israel or "anti-Sovietism/McCarthyism" for the late unlamented Soviet Union is simply an intellectual" boo word" used to bludgeon into silence anybody who insists on giving Islam the same critical scrutiny routinely given to other faiths!

Terry

Funny that no-one has ever accused Tibetans of being Sinophobic.

Amen to that.............
We are Islamophobia and proud of it. We are American and your not American...This building is on holy ground and your not welcome in our country. CAIR is the Islamic Mafia and wants to dominate and ruin our country. You are an unindicted co-conspirator as providing funding to the terrorist organizaion Hamas. Get out of our country and stay out...amen.
piper

I'm sure they monitor this site and are perhaps waiting to find a plausible excuse to issue a fatwa against you (Robert Spenser). It might behoove you to invest in hidden camera technology that can email images for save keeping. It would be a shame to have you "out of business" and not able to expose the truth and assert reasonable objections to Sharia law.

Hi Robert, Next time ask Zead Ramadan why there are no Christian churches or other religious churches allowed in Saudi Arabia. Or for that matter in most Muslim Countries. Christians are persecuted & murdered in Muslim Countries. To allow a mega mosque on Ground zero is dispicable. I agree with you, if Zead felt like he claims, he would be standing beside you in protest of the mosque. It has to be stopped.

Thanks Robert

And, as far as NYC being "your hometown" - lol! Who cares! Hey people, let's all go to NYC and converge on Dustie's "turf!" You're such a loser, Dustan.

Shouldn't you be sacking out for the night under your bridge somewhere

That's too funny, Kim! I vaguely recall an old sitcom starring a gorilla named Dunstan. 'Dustie's' nom de guerre was probably inspired by his doppelganger and hero, Dunstan the gorilla.

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