Hamas top dog: "This is our plan for this stage - to liberate the West Bank and Gaza, without recognizing Israel's right to a single inch of land, and without giving up the Right of Return for a single Palestinian refugee"

There appears to be a commonly held mistaken view that it's Israel who is dragging her feet when it comes to negotiating with the so-called Palestinians. (see Obama's recent frosty handshake with Netanyahu and his urging Israel to start direct negotiations with the 'Palestinians') However, valid discussions hinge entirely on Hamas' willingness to say publicly and unambiguously that Hamas recognises Israel's 'right to exist'.

This refusal to admit Israel's 'right to exist' (those three little words!) should be trumpeted around the world repeatedly by Israel - in the UN, through newspaper ads, on a YouTube video, and so on.

Israel and her friends must put the terrorists on the back foot by telling the world again and again that admitting Israel's 'right to exist' is the key to any worthwhile progress.

Clearing up this wrong-headed view would help Israel's just cause.

Israel's biggest mistake was in 1948, and again in 1967, when it failed to expell the Arab population en masse. Harsh, yes; but realistic.

Without without without..Just keeping with tradtion.I guess.

Tradition..with the I..

..as in "I spy with my little eye, something that starts with I"..at least it used to..Now it's just an i..a microscopic blinky eyed i..and ever more boogly-i'd..as in "i'd rather not deal with i..i is 0..0 is i..mo is ohm and ohm is i..and never the twain shall meet..

A song about Muhammad..
Mohammad muhammad mohated mo,
Mohammad mohammad muhammad mo,
mohammad mohammud muhaad mohaad muhahmad mo.
Muham,ad (mo) hamm ad moh-ammad mu-hammad muhamm
Chorus
muhamadmoham mdmuham ad mohammmaadh mhadahad modad
Mohuad muhamm hamada muhad mo,
mohm hamAAD M homad mo!!
mohmada mohmidad! mo..
mo.. moh.. moo. moo.

See the hate dripping off this page
Anti semitism ia alive and well!
The Islamonazis and their enablers are out in force.
http://www.israel-vs-palestine.com/PS/EN

The salami tactics are not hidden, are discussed endlessly, and have been discussed since shortly after the Six-Day War. The inability of the Western world to recognize, to understand, what is clear Islamic doctrine, and what cannot be changed, on the outrage to Muslim and especially Muslim Arab sensibilities, to the existence of Israel, an Infidel nation-state that exists on land once possessed by Muslims (for the previous 400 years under rule by the Turks), continues to amaze.

It's quite a feat.

And it's quite a feat, as well, to ignore understanding that Abu Mazen, Mahmoud Abbas, the henchman for decades to Arafat, and now the main beneficiary of his disappearance (in every sense, including the diversion of aid from Infidel countries, and the awarding of Infidel contracts, to his family, especially to his children), the man who was in up to his neck in Black September and the killing of Cleo Noel and another American diplomat in Khartoum, as well as atrocity after atrocity against Israeli schoolchildren and other civilians (start with Ma'alot), is merely the leader of a group of would-be warlords who are kept in power by the IDF (in a strange calculation), given every conceivable financial benefit by the endlessly-gullible West, and make no secret -- none -- to their own Arab and Muslim audiences of what they are about.

And what they are about, despite the camouflage of "No-One-Here-But-Us-Accountants" suit-and-tie, as opposed to Arafat's khakis-and-keffiyeh, favored by Mahmoud Abbas, doing his own imitation of the even more "technocratic" Fayyad (who is also not quite so peaceful or trustworthy as some appear to think), is the Slow Jihad of Fatah. They want all the American and European aid, for they, and their children, want to divert that aid now. They want the IDF to prop them up, to prevent rival groups from taking control of the P.A. ("Palestinian" Authority), and they don't care much, of course, about the Gazan Arabs, because Hamas is that chief rival.

They are deep believers in the same goals -- how could they not be, as deep Believers in Islam? -- as the people of Hamas. They want to eliminate the Infidel nation-state of Israel. They know it will take time, it will be a "process" -- and sometimes that "process" will, to please those willing to be pleased, a "peace process."

They are promoters of the Slow Jihad. They differ in matters of tactics and timing with the Fast Jihadists of Fatah. But so too do others, including some in Egypt and even the dour gravelly-voiced current head of "Saudi" Arabia, who foresees the use of "the Jews" as dhimmis, whose skills may be harnessed for the use of the local Arabs, for there are some Arabs and Muslims who know full well that left to rule on their own, the Gazan Arabs and the "West Bank" Arabs would create a total mess, and then of internecine warfare.

That kind of violence and aggression, after all, is all over the Qur'an and the Sunnah. Why should it not have an affect on Muslims in dealing not only with Infidels, but with other Muslims who differ as to sect or ethnic background? After all, the universalit claims of Islam are belied every day by Arab attacks on, or persecution or murder of non-Arab Muslims, including Kurds in Iraq, and Berbers in Algeria and Morocco, and black Africans in Darfur and in such lands of mixed black-and-Arab Muslim population as Mauritania.

Slow Jihad and Fast Jihad -- some have been fooled by the outward form, and the smooth words spoken only to Western audiences, and never to Arab or Muslim ones. The Der Stuermer-like programs continue on the radio and television of the PA. Abbas could put a stop to it. He did, after all, put a complete blackout in the "Palestinian" media on the revelations about the demand-for-sexual-favors scandal of one of his own henchman; the Arab who taped the encounter finally brought it to the Israeli press, for he was furious about corruption at the top of the PA -- corruption which Mahmoud Abbas can't easily stop, and doesn't want to, for he's part of it.

Though this is off topic I had to add it for all who don't know.

Yesterday DAVID WOOD of answeringmsulims.com(already known to many of you),a Christian blog for converting Muslims,put up a video in his blog where he talks in great detail of how he and other Christians were unjustly arrested in Dearborn,USA during the Arab Festival.(Dearborn is a place in the US with the highest Muslim proportion).

Another Christian blog(in French and English) for converting Muslims is also avraidire.eu.

They had done nothing wrong and had been falsely accused by a Muslim of harassing them.However they had THREE CAMERAS that had 2 hrs of videos showing it was false.

They were released but 2 1/2 weeks later the police still haven’t returned their illegaly seized equipment(worth THOUSANDS of dollars).

Here is the very interesting video put up July 6 in youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEWgno8uFoE

THE TWO FAMOUS VIDEOS BY DAVID WOOD

On May 26,6 weeks ago he put up a video AGAINST making a 13 story mosque near the ruins of the Twin Towers that has already been seen by MORE than 2 MILLION:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxFzFIDbKpg

BEING ATTACKED BY SECURITY FOR NO REASON IN THE ARAB FESTIVAL IN DEARBORN,USA

This other famous video,made little more than a year ago,shows that Islamic law has come to the US,in the place where Muslims have the highest percentage.It has been viewed by nearly 2 MILLION in 1 year:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEPod-hxD7g

SIGN THE PETITION TO PREVENT THE MOSQUE NEAR GROUND ZERO

Please sign the following petition by the tens of thousands to PREVENT the construction of 13 story MOSQUE called the CORDOBA HOUSE 2 blocks from the Twin Towers ruins.There are now ONLY about less than 3,000 signatures,we need many more:

http://www.petitiononline.com/SIOAplea/petition.html

It is being launched by ROBERT SPENCER of jihadwatch.org and his friend PAMELA GELLER of atlasshrugs.com

THE VERY NAME “CORDOBA HOUSE” IS AN INSULT TO NON-MUSLIMS

WHY?

It refers to when Muslims ruled Spain and we had:

Muslims were in Spain from 711-1492.They were uppermost from 711-1031.
We know:

1.AVERROES(greatest Muslim philsopher of all time,born in CORDOBA)was in favor of KILLING apostates.

2.MAIMONIDES,greatest Jewish philosopher of Middle Ages,born in CORDOBA,calles Mohammed a MESHUGA(crazy man).

3.That EVERY YEAR the Muslims in Spain went on RAZZIAS,slave-hunting expeditions to get Spanish men as slaves and Spanish women as sex-slaves.They set out from CORDOBA,the capital.It is a HISTORICAL fact(read ANDREW BOSTOM’s “The Legacy of Islamic Anti-Semitism”,page 99).

4.In the 10th century the caliph of Spain had 10,000 CHRISTIAN women as sex-slaves in his harem.What an model for Christian-Muslim coexistence.

5.From 850-855 in CORDOBA 50 Christians were executed for criticism of Islam and Mohammed.Read”Christian Martyrs in Muslim Spain”:
http://libro.uca.edu/martyrs/martyrs.htm

MORE REASONS TO OPPOSE THE CORDOBA HOUSE:

Imam RAUF,the one in charge of it,recently TWICE,in a Washington Post interview,REFUSED to condemn HAMAS,the terrorist group that has killed HUNDREDS of innocent Jewish men,women and children:
http://frontpagemag.com/2010/06/21/imam-of-islamic-supremacist-mega-mosque-at-ground-zero-refuses-to-condemn-hamas/

PLUS:
In a book of his,analyzed by Robert Spencer,Imam Rauf is in FAVOR of Islamic-Sharia Law(which violates human rights) for the US:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3ygJsFNldo

A CROSS OR CHURCH NEAR AUSCHWITZ?

3,000 people were killed in 9/11 in the name of Islam.Making a mosque near it is as INSENSITIVE as building a church/putting a CROSS near Auschwitz,where Jews were killed.Now JESUS had nothing to do with Hitler,yet since Jewish feeling would be offended,hurt,scandalized,the RIGHT THING is not to build one.The same for the mosque,Muslims have to show sensitivity,understanding,not be arrogant

The slow destruction of Israel, is what the west demands with it's incessant ending of every war begun by the arabs, with Israel never allowed to actually win. This is what the west is doing to itself, and of course, Israel is the representative root- the Judeo-christian tree- which the west grew from and with. Hence the destruction of the west, the self destruction, is manifested as the assisted destruction of Israel, to prevent
it's independence to the unbelieving eyes of us westerners who can't understand why our leaders and Israel's are so compliant with the faux peace process and faux story of muslim motives and history. The muslim history has been utterly distorted and
phonied up to make for a 'peace' partner, in Israel and elsewhere, and so, the kabuki dance of death continues with Israel demanded to perform it's own self destruction. And make no mistake- the west has been consciously and unconsciously demanding this of Israel since 1920 while we have in part understood how very much they deserved their own nation as it's the only nation with a 3200 yr old deed biblically declared and in a rather utterly modest sized place for which they have been denied their place thru this
whole dance of the 'peace process'.
Eugene Narrett wrote several books worth a look- amonst which

'Israel and the end times'is an eye opening account of the self destruction of the west with Israel as it's sacrifice to a stable world, and his 'Gathered Against Jerusalem' which are his essays on the phony peace process and how it is carried out and justified.

Here is a link to the avraidire.eu article that MAIMONIDES called Muhammed a cray man in a letter of his:

http://www.avraidire.eu/2010/05/maimonides-opinion-of-mohammedhe-is-ha-meshugathe-madman/

And the avraidire.eu article that AVERROES in an authoritative book on ISLAMIC law said to KILL APOSTATES:

http://www.avraidire.eu/2010/05/the-great-philosopher-averroes-and-apostasy/

...This is our plan for this stage - to liberate the West Bank and Gaza, without recognizing Israel's right to a single inch of land...
...Our ultimate plan is [to have] Palestine in its entirety...
... We will not recognize the Israeli enemy...

Peace with Israel, the enemy is not in the forecast...What is in the forecast is to drive the enemy off 'all' the land and take possession...They won't ask 'please'...They also wont succeed...

Where's the genius Jon to explain this too us?

The inability of the Western world to recognize, to understand, what is clear Islamic doctrine...

Inability, or unwillingness? Maybe a mixture of the two.

*** 92:8 ***

Regardless of the context (the Mideast, Mumbai, lower Manhattan, etc.) the notion of actually recognizing what Islam is unthinkable. Islam is so awful, so evil, so dangerous, so... wrong, that civilized people can't bear to discuss the thing honestly.

Only Moslems, an inherently uncivilized lot, can allow themselves that vile pleasure.

Minoria -
A cross or a church near Auschwitz? This is your comparision? There are crosses IN Auschwitz along with innumerable other memorials for a range of people who were murdered there. Your vile and hateful insinuation is that Nazism is a 'product' of Christianity. One in four Polish Catholic priests were murdered by the Nazis.

Catholics were intensively persecuted throughout the Nazi empire. I recently read a book 'Priestblock Dachau'. A priest was made to trample on a crucifix and when he refused he was beaten to death. His angry Nazi torturer raged at Jesus who was a "Jewish trick to make Germans weak". The Nazi elite hated Jesus.

Gaza has been "liberated." Not a single Israeli lives there. The greenhouses were left in perfect working order. Israel supplies, and has always supplied, the essentials of life, and before the Gazan Arabs showed that they were going to turn Gaza into a military camp dedicated to making war on Israel, the non-occupying "occupier," supplied even many non-essentials too. Gazan Arabs live better, have a higher standard of living, than the Egyptians just across the border in Sinai, than most Egyptian villagers and even urban dwellers, and better than most Arabs, and far far better than billions of people, real refugees and others, in sub-Saharan Africa, in India, in China, in Latin America. And they do so because are the recipients of attention and aid that is given, endlessly, but not by the rich Arabs. Oh no. By the non-Muslims, the Infidels, who think that for some reason the Gazan Arabs -- and the "West Bank" Arabs too -- are owed this. They are owed nothing. They are in many cases only recdent arrivals -- two or three generations at most -- of Arabs mainly from Egypt, Iraq, and Jordan, but from other Arab lands too, who came because of the economic stimulus provided to a backwater by the arrival of Jewish pioneers who bought land, at inflated prices, from Arab and Turkish absentee landowners who lived in Amman, Beirut, and Constantinople, and reclaimed it, in a heroic effort at land reclamation that attracted the attention, and the praise, of the famous American agronomist Walter Clay Lowdermilk of Liberty, North Carolina.

The Gazan Arabs do not work. They accept, and think they have a right to demand, support from the outside. They are not dedicated to "building a state" but to destruction. The continued existence of Israel makes life painful for them. They just can't concentrate on anything else. Even the "West Bank" Arabs pseudo-ruled by Fatah have learned to batten on Western aid, and to mute their permanent hatred of Israel, and inability to contemplate its permanent existence -- though they do this only for Western audiences, and only in the most begrudging, and carefully worded, of ways.

The local Arabs -- Gazan Arabs and "West Bank" Arabs -- are welfare queens on an international scale. They hog fully half of all the international aid available through the U.N., and get a lot more from governments besides. They do not deserve this. They have done nothing to improve their lot, but rely on aid and more aid, and from Arafat, who left the world with six billion dollars in aid disappearing with him, and from Abu Mazen (Mahmoud Abbas), and from his henchmen, we expect, and we get, only vast amounts of corruption, and diversion of much of that aid. That will not stop, any more than the corruption in Iraq and Afghanistan will stop. There is no civic sense in societies where violence and aggression are the norm, and there is no sense of compromise, but an exaggerated sense of conspiracies, false conspiracies, blaming the Infidels, as always, for everything. That's Gaza. That's the Arab-ooccuppied parts of the "West Bank" that the League of Nations had deliberately, and intelligently assigned to the territory of the Mandate for Palestine, created for the sole purpose of the establishment of the Jewish National Home.

There can be no peace in Israel as long as religions in the area compete for supremacy. The outlawing of religious practice outside of Jerusalem would go a long way toward establishing peace. There is no room for fanaticism in a land that needs respect for human life not only for a sky god.

http://twitpic.com/22y4nh John McCain tweets from Israel.
Met w/ Palestinian PM Fayyad - I believe he is dedicated to a genuine peace settlement but many obsticles remain

Visited Palestinian National Security Forces Operations Camp - very impressive operation. http://twitpic.com/22y3uf 7:55 AM Jul 6th via Twitpic

Huh...how comforting to know that our leaders continue to belittle Israel, putting our own welfare at risk by giving them wasta in the eyes of the Islamic community.

Posed by Morris Wise: There can be no peace in Israel as long as religions in the area compete for supremacy. The outlawing of religious practice outside of Jerusalem would go a long way toward establishing peace. There is no room for fanaticism in a land that needs respect for human life not only for a sky god.

Yeah, good luck with outlawing religious practice outside of Jerusalem! I'm sure nobody's going to object to that one.

To the not-so-wise Morris' of the world ...

The day will never come when all religions will be done away with. What a foolish endeavor, not to mention a colossal waste of time. A better use of your time would be in trying to stamp out bedbugs, because reports are coming in that these horrifying blood suckers are increasing in number ..ick!

The local Arabs -- Gazan Arabs and "West Bank" Arabs -- are welfare queens on an international scale.

And these layabouts say "thank you" for all the U.S. taxpayer dollars by whining still more about the Jews. And have the Israeli Jews not treated the Moslems better than they would be in any Moslem country?

*** 92:8 ***

But there's a precedent they're working from. When Mo and his Companions were ejected from Mecca for the ceaselss threats, they were welcomed by the Jews of Yathrib and given aid. The appreciative Moslems showed their thanks by proceeding to rob and murder their Jewish hosts, a process that culminated with the Banu Qurayza mass murder/robbery which set into motion the migration of Jews from Arabia.

*** 8:12 ***

Yathrib is called Medina now. It's a real hell-hole. You're welcome.

Mahmoud Al-Zahhar: We have liberated Gaza, but have we recognized Israel?
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*This* is the sort of "goodwill" Israel has garnered for her pullout from Gaza in 2005. It should have been obvious to any half-bright person at the time that the "Palestinians" would take credit for driving Israel out, and that this would just embolden "Palestinian" terrorism.

More:

Our plan for this stage is to liberate any inch of Palestinian land, and to establish a state on it. Our ultimate plan is [to have] Palestine in its entirety. I say this loud and clear so that nobody will accuse me of employing political tactics. We will not recognize the Israeli enemy.
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"Our ultimate plan is [to have] Palestine in its entirety..."

Al-Zahhar is not talking about Gaza and the "West Bank" here. He is talking about *all of Palestine*—and that includes Israel itself. He is not merely refusing to "recognize" Israel because of this or that policy—he plans for all of Israel to fall to the Muslims.

He emphasizes this here:

"If we could liberate the Negev now..."

The Negev. This region is in Israel proper, on land that is not even contiguous with any "Palestinian territory".

More:

"...after we got rid of the Israeli presence in Gaza, we must finish off the remnants of that occupation..."

Israel is *not* occupying Gaza. They are supplying goods and services, however.

As an aside, I did the math once. Israel, with its population of about 7 million, supplies electricity, sewer, and other services for 1.5 million Gazans. Here's an analaogy—this would be as if the United States-with a population of a little over 300 million—took on the task of supplying all these services to *the entire UK* (population about 60 million). How would American taxpayers feel about adding on that little program? sarc/off

What would life be like for Gazans if Israel's "presence" in Gaza ceases?

For that matter, what would a "Palestinian state" look like? Al-Zahhar doesn't care:

As for the issue of a referendum - [the Palestinian Authority] is ready to impose its position on people by force
.............

*By force*—this gives you a good sense of what sort of "Islamic paradise" the Palestinian state would be if they are ever able to destroy Israel.

One of the first things the Arab Muslims did, when the Jews of Israel left Gaza, leaving behind state-of-the-art greenhouses, in perfect working order, was to smash and loot said greenhouses in an orgy of mindless, diabolic vandalism.

Interestingly enough, that vandalism of those Jewish greenhouses which - left intact - could have grown fruit and flowers for home consumption and for sale - is identical with something that John Roy Carlson witnessed in 1948, when he was travelling 'under cover' in the Middle East, posing as an American Islamophile and former admirer of Nazis in order to gain the confidence of the Arab Muslims among whom he moved.

Here is his description of what the Arab Muslims, in a fiendish ecstasy of vindictive stupidity, did to a fully-functioning fertilizer factory that fell into their hands because it was within territory seized by Muslim Jordan. Rather than simply take it over and use it to make fertilizer to use on farmers' fields, or to sell, they *smashed* it.

Chapter 20, 'Philadelphia is in Jordan'.

"When I arrived at the marketplace [of Jericho] it was already teeming with traffic...Trucks were arriving with scrap lumber, metal, pipes, and assorted machinery from the direction of the Dead Sea. I decided to investigate.

"In an Armenian barbershop on Jericho's main street, I met a young refugee from Jerusalem named Torkom. Together we got into a bus going in the direction of the Dead Sea, then walked the remaining distance over the semi-arid baked earth.

"Vast brine evaporation beds...met the eye in all directions, connected by miles of pipelines. Beyond them was the huge plant of Palestine Potash Ltd (a once highly profitable British corporation owned jointly by British and Jewish capital) which converted the fabulous mineral wealth of the Dead Sea into common salt, bromides, and chlorides of magnesium, potassium, and calcium.

"Photographing as I went along, I saw, with Torkom, a sight that sickened me.

"The huge plant, stretching over many acres, with its generators, transformers, pumps, and a thousand and one irreplaceable items of machinery - transported at tremendous cost from England and the United States - **was systematically being looted and destroyed: building by building, machine by machine, board by board** {my emphasis - dda}.

"Hundreds of Arab [sic: Arab MUSLIM - dda} scavengers, working with teams of donkeys, mules, and trucks, had already stripped away most of the vital working parts, and were now tearing at the corrugated tin, pipes, wire, boards, and small machines. **What they could not take apart they smashed with sledge hammers** {my emphasis - dda}.

"Instead of utilizing the giant plant, or at least expropriating some of the equipment for constructive purposes - in a land so desperately in need of lumber, glass, ironwork and all else that was in such abundance here - **they were destroying everything, ruthlessly, cold-bloodedly, insanely** {my emphasis - dda}.

"The plant already looked like a miniature Hiroshima, minus the ravages of fire. And this wanton destruction was more or less officially sanctioned by Trans-Jordan officials. A dozen Arab Legion guards were on hand to keep law and order among the looters."
END.

I guarantee that once the Americans and every other non-Muslim leaves Iraq and Afghanistan, every single thing that they tried to build there for the common good - schools, bridges, roads, hospitals, you-name- it - will be obsessively *smashed*.