In the West, Islamic spokesmen always insist that Islam supports the freedom of conscience, and the freedom to change one's religion. These people must be reading that notorious Misunderstood Qur'an. Islamic Tolerance Alert from modern, moderate Indonesia: "Missionary trio leave Aceh after anger at baptisms," by Toni O'Loughlin in the Sydney Morning Herald, July 24 (thanks to Stewart):
JAKARTA: A US family accused of converting Muslims by giving them Christian baptisms has been forced to leave the Islamic Indonesian territory of Aceh.Three Indonesians have also been arrested for assisting and the three alleged converts have been sent to a pesantran, an Islamic school, for re-education.
Robin Kay Jordan, his wife, Kelly Green Jordan, and their daughter, Claire, arrived in Indonesia on July 14, sponsored by the Baptist Church, to work for 10 months in West Aceh where Islamic law is strictly enforced.
But after locals pelted their residence with stones, immigration officials became alarmed and told the Jordans to leave.
''I suggested to them that they go somewhere else if they still wanted to do their job, as long as it's not in Aceh,'' said Iyung Gunawan, the head of immigration for West Aceh.
''This is an area known for its fanatics. West Aceh regency has a reputation as the most fanatical. Even men can't wear shorts in public and swimming areas on the beach are separate,'' he said.
The Jordan family could not be contacted but immigration officials said they had been helped by Yanis Lengaong, an immigration agent who regularly assists the Association of Indonesian Baptist Churches in bringing missionaries to Indonesia. Sharia - Islamic law - has governed Aceh for the past eight years. Adultery and gambling are punishable by public caning. This year women were banned from wearing tight clothing such as jeans.
The spokesman for the West Aceh municipality, Mulya Agus, said locals began questioning the Jordans' activities after three people in the nearby area of Samatiga converted to Christianity. Sharia authorities conducted an investigation and confirmed the baptisms had taken place, Mr Agus said.
''We even have a tape showing them being baptised ... They claimed they were baptised under the influence of hypnosis,'' he said....
Re education camps for converts from Islam ?
I guess they picked this up from the communists. Never let a good idea go to waste..
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2.256: "There is no compulsion in religion."
What does it mean? What does Al-Qaradawi think it means? What does Ayatollah Al-Sistani think it means? What does every Saudi cleric think it means? What do the Pakistani generals and zamindars think it means?
And what does John Brennan, Deputy Special Assitant to President Obama for Homeland Security and Terrorism (or is it "Terrorism and Homeland Security"? I forget) think it means?
And what, dear reader, do you think it means? Who do you think knows what it means, and who is in way over his head?
''This is an area known for its fanatics. West Aceh regency has a reputation as the most fanatical. Even men can't wear shorts in public and swimming areas on the beach are separate,'' he said.
This says A WHOLE LOT about the Muslim culture. Why no shorts on men? Someone might be tempted.
I bet this is also a place where the men are men and the sheep are scared.
BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
Note to self: Do not pack Officer Dangle shorts for vacation in Aceh.
I can only imagine the uproar from CAIR if American "reverts" to Islam were sent to re-education camps.
No compulsion in religion????? Um, yeah. Riiiiiight. Why then is Islam the only religion that will kill you if you leave?
Maybe the Baptists were converting them by telling them what the Koran really says, since the majority of Muslims can't read or understand Arabic themselves.
buh, buh, buht....
Muslims revere Jesus Christ...
...darn, I have often dreamed about vacationing in West Aceh.
I wonder how many Muslim countries will eventually start having civil wars. As we saw in Iran, at least some of the people don't like being pushed around.
As the influence of the Internet grows, and it becomes possible for people to read about different things, that may start to create cognitive dissonance in the countries where they have these religious dictatorships. People who have had Islam shoved down their throats may start to see the historical absurdity of the faith (how could Mohammed know anything 'new' about Abraham and Jesus, when both of them had been gone from the Earth for centuries by the time the Koran rolled around?). But when people keep seeing that Muslim radicals don't preach to love your neighbor, but the Christians do... Maybe, they'll put two and two together.
"2.256: "There is no compulsion in religion."
What does it mean?"
It means you're a self-proclaimed 7th Century prophet living in Mecca who will get yourself killed if you preach otherwise. Once you move to Medina and become a warlord, you will throw this out the window and order your followers to compel nonbelievers to submit to the laws of your religion or die.
Any more questions?
But Mr. Cameron told us that this wasn't 'real Islam'?
Islam in fast demise...
"We are living a tragedy sir, by Allah we are living a tragedy, by Allah we are living a tragedy." (
Sheikh Ahmed al-Qataani on al-Jazeera TV.)
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2010/05/dying-islam-lislam-mourant.html
Totalitarian ideologies, as you rightly indicated Paul Hoffman, tend to act in similar fashion and borrow from one another, as here it seems. In any case, Muslims worldwide are either proud of rot like this or ashamed of it. If the former, they reveal themselves for what they are----control freaks; if the latter, they reveal that the practice of Islam makes them at least sometimes uncomfortable----a first step (but only a first step) to true freedom, i.e., throwing off all the shackles that Islam has imposed upon them.
As for the "no compulsion in religion" mantra, this is so replete with obvious hypocrisy and deception it's a wonder any Muslim or dhimmi apologist for Islam bothers bringing it up anymore. But then, the repeated shamelessness of the Muslim and the continued foolishness of the dhimmi is a fact of our times and of previous times. Hopefully, it won't be a fact for all time.
Hallelujah! This all goes to show you that there are cracks in Islam, even in its most bigoted and deeply rooted areas.
I continue to pray for the Islamic world, that there would be a fruitful witness there, and that this savage error would be brought down.
Christianity spread through much of western Asia, northern Africa, and southern Europe by preaching, prayer, and ethical example before 150 A.D., when it won its first monarch, Abgar of Osrhoene (Eddesa). Islam, on the other hand, began as a gambit by an ambitious Arabian warlord.
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Kepha
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Matthew 17: 20; Luke 17: 6.
A propos the text from Matthew, a gentleman at a church I attended in the 1980s and 1990s, a Chinese-Australian who (with his Anglo-Celtic Aussie wife) spent many *years* as an Anglican Christian missionary in Pakistan, mainly encouraging and building up the Pakistani Church so it could be stronger to do its witness, once quoted me the verse that comes after it - Matt 17: 21 - 'this kind [of demon] cometh not out save by prayer and fasting', when we were discussing the subject of the evangelising of Muslims.
"There is no compulsion in religion," says the Quran. That is true and undeniable.
Infidels conquered by the sword and that dhimmitute thing we'll get to a little bit later on.
A US family accused of converting Muslims by giving them Christian baptisms has been forced to leave the Islamic Indonesian territory of Aceh.
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Notice the ridiculous implication in the phrasing here that these baptisms were done without the full understanding or consent of the converts...
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"We even have a tape showing them being baptised ... They claimed they were baptised under the influence of hypnosis," he said....
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Well, of course they said that—with the specter of being sent to a brutal re-education camp hanging over their heads...
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Three Indonesians have also been arrested for assisting and the three alleged converts have been sent to a pesantran, an Islamic school, for re-education.
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What will happen to Indonesian Christians?
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But after locals pelted their residence with stones, immigration officials became alarmed and told the Jordans to leave.
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How many times have we seen this—both throughout Dar-al-Islam, and now increasingly in the West, as well—where when Infidels are threatened by violent and aggressive Muslims, that it is the peaceful Kaffir who are arrested or forced to leave?
Re-education camps? I didn't know Pol Pot was Muslim. Islam is the Khmer Green.
Lokar wrote:
As the influence of the Internet grows, and it becomes possible for people to read about different things, that may start to create cognitive dissonance in the countries where they have these religious dictatorships.
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I would like to believe this is the case, Lokar—and no doubt it sometimes is.
But Indonesia has actually become far *more* Islamized in recent years, and Aceh only fully adopted Shari'ah law in 2002.
Things in many parts of Dar-al-Islam—in Egypt, in Turkey, in Pakistan, in Malaysia, in Indonesia—are becoming worse, not better.
"Things in many parts of Dar-al-Islam—in Egypt, in Turkey, in Pakistan, in Malaysia, in Indonesia—are becoming worse, not better."
Well, it really depends what you call worse.
Well, it really depends what you call worse.
Worse is the continued existence of Islam...
I remember reading some time ago - I think in the reports of the Lina Joy case in Malaysia - that the Malaysians, too, have 're-education camps' to which they send those who are discovered to have apostasised from Islam.