Jihad/martyrdom bombers murder 35 in attack on Sufi shrine in Pakistan

A good example of how badly we are informed by those who do not understand the first thing about Islam is the way this story was reported on NPR. I heard it within the last hour, and it went like this: "35 people were killed in an attack on a Muslim shrine."

End of story.

Now what is it that the well-prepared will at once understand from even those details?

One would understand, at once, that since it is only the Shi'a who have shrines, and the Sunnis particularly detest the Shi'a for having Shi'a saints, and visiting Shi'a shrines, the attack had to have been carried out by Sunnis on Shi'a. And the NPR reporter should have known that; that ought to have been explained.

And a still better prepared reporter would have added that there have been many attacks by Sunnis in Pakistan on the Shi'a who constitute about 20% of the population in Pakistan, on their mosques, their schools, their professionals (doctors, engineers, lawyers).

But on NPR you heard none of that. And I doubt that you will hear that on other radio stations, or on the television news, or in the newpspaers. It will, for 99% of the population, be represented as merely an inexplicable attack "on a Muslim shrine." Nothing, that is, about the Sunni-Shi'a split as it appears, as it has been appearing, in Pakistan, and not just this year, but for the entire history of Pakistan, ever since its foundation.

But that kind of information would never do. It might give people greater insight into the natural violence of Islam. It might let them see what Muslims will do to other Muslims whom they regard, and therefore treat, as little better (or perhaps even worse) than Infidels.

We can't have people being well-informed about Islam. Where would it all end?

But Hugh, it's really a case of fraternal correction of those who stray from the Right Path. What we have here is, in fact, an example of Muslim brotherhood and solidarity, see?

/sarc

As for the article itself, it does tell much more than the NPR throwaway line. But, in describing the "Sufi shrine" as being visited by both Sunni and Shi'a pilgrims, it fails to note the quite different levels of acceptance in the two traditions, and does not make clear that shrines and saints are one of the charges that orthodox Sunnis make against Shi'a, for what Sunnis regard as bizarre and unacceptable practices. See, e.g., observances of Muharram, in Pakistan, Iran, Al-Hasa in Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Yemen, Bahrain, Kuwait, etc.

his is an example of the peace that Islam brings. Pakistan is a Muslim nation. It is called the "land of the pure". Yet here is another example of Muslim on Muslim violence. How can this be?

Is it just possible that we can stop the PC nonsense that clouds our intellectual discourse in this country and study the Qur'an, the aHadith and the Sira? Could we look at Islamic exegesis and find out why Islamic scholars write about how the words in the Qur'an are directly applicable today? Could we recognize that Arabs disagreed with Mohammed? He had them killed. The Jews of Medina rejected Mohammed and his religion. Today, there are no Jews in Medina or Mecca or Saudi Arabia. Turkey was once a Christian country.

It should be obvious that Islam settles disputes with violence both within and without "Dar-Es-Islam".

Why is it not PC to state this obvious truth?

The attacker struck in the underground area where visitors sleep and prepare themselves for prayer, he said. As people fled, a second bomber detonated his explosives in the upstairs area.
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We've seen this many times before. An attack, followed by a coordinate second attack minutes later to either target fleeing survivors of the first bombing (as here), or to target emergency personnel—ambulance, fire, police, 'good samaritans'—coming to the aid of the first victims.

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"Suicide bombers have launched a triple attack on a Sufi shrine in the eastern Pakistani city of Lahore."

The Ahmadis down the street are saying to each other...."See, Islam is non discriminatory....the Muslims just kill everyone, not just us".

Its high time for followers of Islam that revisionism of Quran is must to save themselves. When you have created such a devil you need to get rid of it yourself. Please do not blame the west for this nor your neighbours.

Isn't it time to dissolve Pakistan yet?

With the reluctance of Muslims of all branches of Islam to
criticise each other,I wonder what is going through the heads
of the members of the sect that was targeted;or yet still,
mainstream Muslims!They go wild when non-Muslims harm or
offend Muslims,yet remain silent--if not complicit--when it's Muslim on Muslim.No matter how savage the attacks are.

Obviously this has nothing to do with Islam - the suicide vests were packed full of ball bearings and we know there were no ball bearings at the time of Prophet Mohammad (PBUH). So much for the theory that Islam is not peaceful.

This is simply in their culture to blow up people to the maximum effect. Who are we colonialists to criticize their culture? Look at our culture where some bigots brandish ham sandwich to niqab wearing women at cafes. The racism is disgusting and the insult to muslims is simply unspeakable.

/sarc

http://news.iafrica.com/worldnews/2513807.htm
Attack on shrine kills 42
Here's a photo you don't usually see.

Look at how the people are just milling about.

I'm sure CSI Lahore is on the case.

Article - blasts at the popular Dataa Darbar shrine

Is nothing sacred any more for anyone? MY suspicions are that the "newer" saints/highly spiritual imams will be enshrined (buried is such a trivial word isn't it) in western cities.

Obvioulsy there is a sizable muslim population in the west, and words like Koran, Mosque, jizah and jihad are already part of the western lanuguage and physie.

The main reason for the enshrines here though I think will be security. At least it is more business for the security industries.

I see that the death toll is up to 43. And the Taliban denies responsibility, saying it's the work of "foreign secret agencies."

This attack is but one more hint of what is to come. Islam has a monumental problem: it cannot modernize and is stuck in a Medieval paradigm mindset, which is fossilized in the immutable founding text, their Koran. Though Islam may not be monolithic, its Koran is totally monolithic, because any change contemplated is immediately disqualified by its own claims, that it is the immutable, uncreated world of Allah. Therefore, any suggestions to change it, even from mainstream Islam, is countered with violent and irrational opposition. Therefore, Islam is impervious to change.

However, like any unbending monolith, if it cannot bend with the changing winds of the times, it is likely to break. Christianity had undergone its modernization back in the period of the Renaissance and later the Enlightenment, but these were passed over completely in Islam. No such changes, which were violent at times, occurred in the Eastern and North African regions. There, except for the short stint of European colonialism which brought some secularist jurisdiction to the regions, and tamed Islam temporarily, the winds of change quickly shifted back to the monolithic ideology Islam really is. It was founded by a 7th century Warlord who patterned it after some makeshift Judo-Christian model of religiosity to endow his chosen Arab pagan moon god, Al-Ylah renamed "Allah", religio-validity in order to consolidate his power over his troops, his jihadists, for efficient plundering and conquest, mostly for booty and slaves, especially women. In the process, the succeeding Caliphs consolidated this power with amazing efficiency and conquered much of the known world from Spain to India within a surprisingly short period of time. This is the violent legacy of Islam, and changing it in modern times causes the counter-effect of consolidating it further into its 7th century warlord roots of conquest and Jihad. But like any immovable monolith, change is forcing it to respond, and since it cannot bend with change, it is doomed to break.

When Islam finally breaks, it will shatter into a thousand pieces of sectarian warfare, a level of bloodshed which only has been hinted at with all the Sunni-Shia and Islamic minorities bloodshed already witnessed in recent times. This is a vast drama that is unfolding before our eyes, and it will be generated from within Islam itself, because it cannot change peaceably, so it must change via violent means. "Impervious to change" means this change will come at the price of horrific violence. All we can do is protect our borders and populace from this inevitable, monumental change to occur.