Muslim cleric: “Hitler was right to…do what he did to the Jews”

Mind you, Hussam Fawzi Jabar is an Islamic cleric. He has devoted his life to studying the Qur’an and Sunnah. And he doesn’t seem to have come across anything in that extensive study to make him reconsider his vile and genocidal anti-Semitism.

Yet the myth persists that Islamic anti-Semitism is an import from Christianity or Nazism or both, and that Islam in its pure form is tolerant and friendly to Jews. Journalist Lawrence Wright writes in this vein in The Looming Tower: Al-Qaeda and the Road to 9/11:

Until the end of World War II … Jews lived safely–although submissively–under Muslim rule for 1,200 years, enjoying full religious freedom; but in the 1930s, Nazi propaganda on Arabic-language shortwave radio, coupled with slanders by Christian missionaries in the region, infected the area with this ancient Western prejudice [anti-Semitism]. After the war, Cairo became a sanctuary for Nazis, who advised the military and the government. The rise of the Islamist movement coincided with the decline of fascism, but they overlapped in Egypt, and the germ passed into a new carrier.

This is a common view, but in reality there is a strong native strain of anti-Semitism in Islam, which is rooted in the Qur’an. The Muslim holy book contains a great deal of material that forms the foundation for a hatred of Jews that has perdured throughout Islamic history. It is virulent and hard to eradicate. The Qur’an portrays the Jews as the craftiest, most persistent, and most implacable enemies of the Muslims — and there is no Islamic authority that has moved to mitigate the most destructive interpretations of all this. The Qur’anic material on the Jews remains the prism through which far too many Muslims see the Israeli-Palestinian conflict–and Jews in general–to this day.

A vivid illustration of this came in 2004 from Islam Online, a website founded by, among others, the internationally influential Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi in 1997. Although al-Qaradawi has won praise from Islamic scholar John Esposito for engaging in a “reformist interpretation of Islam and its relationship to democracy, pluralism, and human rights,” that “reformist” impulse doesn’t seem to carry over to his view of Jews (he has justified suicide bombings against Israeli civilians), or the view of them he has allowed to be published on Islam Online.

In 2004 the site posted an article titled “Jews as Depicted in the Qur’an,” in which Sheikh ‘Atiyyah Saqr, the former head of the Fatwa Committee at the most respected institution in Sunni Islam, Al-Azhar University in Cairo, depicts Jews in a chillingly negative light, illustrated with abundant quotations from the Qur’an. Among other charges he levels at the Jews, Saqr says that they “used to fabricate things and falsely ascribe them to Allah”; they “love to listen to lies”; they disobey Allah and ignore his commands; they wish “evil for people” and try to “mislead them”; and they “feel pain to see others in happiness and are gleeful when others are afflicted with a calamity.” He adds that “it is easy for them to slay people and kill innocents,” for “they are merciless and heartless.” And each charge he follows with Qur’anic citations (including, among others, 3:75; 5:64; 3:181; 5:41; 5:13; 2:109; 3:120; 2:61; 2:74; 2:100; 59:13-14; 2:96; and 2:79).

Though he offers many examples of the alleged evil traits of the Jews supported by the Qur’an, Saqr doesn’t mention the notorious Qur’anic passages that depict an angry Allah transforming Jews into apes and pigs: 2:63-66; 5:59-60; and 7:166. The first of those passages depicts Allah telling the Jews who “profaned the Sabbath”: “Be as apes despicable!” It goes on to say that these accursed ones serve “as a warning example for their time and for all times to come.” The second has Allah directing Muhammad to remind the “People of the Book” about “those who incurred the curse of Allah and His wrath, those of whom some He transformed into apes and swine, those who worshipped evil.” The third essentially repeats this, saying of the Sabbath-breaking Jews that when “in their insolence they transgressed (all) prohibitions,” Allah said to them, “Be ye apes, despised and rejected.”

In traditional Islamic theology these passages have not been considered to apply to all Jews. The classic Qur’anic commentator Ibn Kathir, whose commentary is widely distributed and respected among Muslims today, quotes earlier authorities saying that “those who violated the sanctity of the Sabbath were turned into monkeys, then they perished without offspring,” and that they “only lived on the earth for three days, for no transformed person ever lives more than three days.” While parts of the Qur’an are hostile to the Jews, Muhammad’s curse, in this case, was limited to these Sabbath-breakers, not to all Jews.

However, that hasn’t stopped contemporary jihadists from frequently referring to Jews as the “descendants of apes and swine.” The implication is that today’s Jews are bestial in character and are the enemies of Allah, just as the Sabbath-breakers were. The recently deceased grand sheikh of Al-Azhar, Muhammad Sayyid Tantawi, who was the most respected cleric in the world among Sunni Muslims, called Jews “the enemies of Allah, descendants of apes and pigs.” Saudi sheikh Abd al-Rahman al-Sudayyis, imam of the principal mosque in the holiest city in Islam, Mecca, said in a sermon that Jews are “the scum of the human race, the rats of the world, the violators of pacts and agreements, the murderers of the prophets, and the offspring of apes and pigs.”

Another Saudi sheikh, Ba’d bin Abdallah al-Ajameh al-Ghamidi, made the connection explicit: “The current behavior of the brothers of apes and pigs, their treachery, violation of agreements, and defiling of holy places … is connected with the deeds of their forefathers during the early period of Islam–which proves the great similarity between all the Jews living today and the Jews who lived at the dawn of Islam.” A 1996 Hamas publication says that today’s Jews are bestial in spirit, and this is a manifestation of the punishment of their forefathers. In January 2007, Palestinian Authority president Mahmoud Abbas stated, “The sons of Israel are mentioned as those who are corrupting humanity on earth,” referring to Qur’an 5:64.

All this shows that leading Muslim authorities approach the Qur’an not as a document rooted in history, but as a blueprint for understanding the world today. Likewise, Sheikh ‘Atiyyah Saqr describes the Qur’anic teachings that because Jews “revolted against the Divine ordinances … they found no warm reception in all countries where they tried to reside. Rather, they would either be driven out or live in isolation.” Moreover, “Almighty Allah told us that He’d send to them people who’d pour on them rain of severe punishment that would last till the Day of Resurrection.” Then comes a threat: “All this gives us glad tidings of the coming victory of Muslims over them once Muslims stick to strong faith and belief in Allah and adopt the modern means of technology.”

The classic Qur’anic commentators not do not mitigate the Qur’an’s words against Jews, but only add fuel to the fire. Ibn Kathir explained Qur’an 2:61 (“They were covered with humiliation and misery; they drew on themselves the wrath of Allah”) this way: “This Ayah [verse] indicates that the Children of Israel were plagued with humiliation, and that this will continue, meaning that it will never cease. They will continue to suffer humiliation at the hands of all who interact with them, along with the disgrace that they feel inwardly.” Another Middle Ages commentator of lingering influence, ‘Abdallah ibn ‘Umar al-Baidawi, explains the same verse this way: “The Jews are mostly humiliated and wretched either of their own accord, or out of coercion of the fear of having their jizya [punitive tax] doubled.”

Ibn Kathir notes Islamic traditions that predict that at the end of the world, “the Jews will support the Dajjal (False Messiah), and the Muslims, along with ‘Isa [Jesus], son of Mary, will kill the Jews.” The idea in Islam that the end times will be marked by Muslims killing Jews comes from the prophet Muhammad himself, who said, “The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. ‘O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.'” This is, not unexpectedly, a favorite motif among contemporary jihadists. On March 30, 2007, a spokesman for Hamas, Dr. Ismail Radwan, said on Palestinian Authority television:

The Hour [Resurrection] will not take place until the Muslims fight the Jews and the Muslims kill them, and the rock and the tree will say: “Oh, Muslim, servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, kill him!”

We must remind our Arab and Muslim nation, its leaders and people, its scholars and students, remind them that Palestine and the Al Aqsa mosque will not be liberated through summits nor by international resolutions, but it will be liberated through the rifle. It will not be liberated through negotiations, but through the rifle, since this occupation knows no language but the language of force…. O Allah, strengthen Islam and Muslims, and bring victory to your Jihad-fighting worshipers, in Palestine and everywhere…. Allah take the oppressor Jews and Americans and their supporters!

The history of Jews who lived under Muslim rule is a more or less unbroken record of theologically sanctioned humiliation and wretchedness. Like the Christians, Jews were allowed to practice their religion within restrictions, but they were seldom allowed to forget their humiliation. Although the strictness with which the laws of dhimmitude (the subservient status of Jews and Christians) were enforced varied, they were never abolished, and during times of relaxation the subject populations always lived in fear that they would be enforced with new stringency. Muslim rulers did not forget that the Qur’an mandates that both Jews and Christians must “feel themselves subdued.” One notable instance is recounted by the Arab historian Phillip Hitti: “The caliph al-Mutawakkil in 850 and 854 decreed that Christians and Jews should affix wooden images of devils to their houses, level their graves even with the ground, wear outer garments of honey color, i.e. yellow, put two honey-colored patches on the clothes of their slaves, … and ride only on mules and asses with wooden saddles marked by two pomegranate-like balls on the cantle.” A millennium later, in 1888, little had changed. A Tunisian Jew noted:

The Jew is prohibited in this country to wear the same clothes as a Muslim and may not wear a red tarbush. He can be seen to bow down with his whole body to a Muslim child and permit him the traditional privilege of striking him in the face, a gesture that can prove to be of the gravest consequence. Indeed, the present writer has received such blows. In such matters the offenders act with complete impunity, for this has been the custom from time immemorial.

In 1291 Isaac ben Samuel, a noted Kabbalist and Palestinian Jew, sought refuge in a Christian-controlled area of Spain after the collapse of the last Crusader kingdom in the Levant. He explained, “For, in the eyes of the Muslims, the children of Israel are as open to abuse as an unprotected field. Even in their law and statutes they rule that the testimony of a Muslim is always to be believed against that of a Jew. For this reason our rabbis of blessed memory have said, ‘Rather beneath the yoke of Edom [Christendom] than that of Ishmael [Islam]. They [the rabbis] plead for mercy before the Holy One, Blessed be He, saying, ‘Master of the World, either let us live beneath Thy shadow or else beneath that of the children of Edom’ (Talmud, Gittin 17a).”

Ben Samuel’s choice of Christian Spain is paradoxical, as Muslim Spain was supposed to have been a famous exception to the oppression of Jews that prevailed elsewhere among both Muslims and Christians. Islamic apologist Karen Armstrong enunciates the common wisdom when she says that “until 1492, Jews and Christians lived peaceably and productively together in Muslim Spain–a coexistence that was impossible elsewhere in Europe.” Even the U.S. State Department has proclaimed that “during the Islamic period in Spain, Jews, Christians, and Muslims lived together in peace and mutual respect, creating a diverse society in which vibrant exchanges of ideas took place.”

Yet the philosopher Maimonides, a Jew who lived for a time in Muslim Spain and then fled that supposedly tolerant and pluralistic land, remarked, “You know, my brethren, that on account of our sins God has cast us into the midst of this people, the nation of Ishmael, who persecute us severely, and who devise ways to harm us and to debase us….No nation has ever done more harm to Israel. None has matched it in debasing and humiliating us. None has been able to reduce us as they have….We have borne their imposed degradation, their lies, and absurdities, which are beyond human power to bear.”

Notably, Maimonides directed that Jews could teach rabbinic law to Christians, but not to Muslims. For Muslims, he said, will interpret what they are taught “according to their erroneous principles and they will oppress us. [F]or this reason … they hate all [non-Muslims] who live among them.” But the Christians, he said, “admit that the text of the Torah, such as we have it, is intact”–as opposed to the Islamic view that the Jews and Christians have corrupted their scriptures. Christians, continued Maimonides, “do not find in their religious law any contradiction with ours.”

Even María Rosa Menocal, in her romantic and fantastic hagiography of Muslim Spain, The Ornament of the World, acknowledges the second-class status to which Jews and Christians were relegated there. “In return for this freedom of religious conscience the Peoples of the Book (pagans had no such privilege) were required to pay a special tax–no Muslims paid taxes–and to observe a number of restrictive regulations: Christians and Jews were prohibited from attempting to proselytize Muslims, from building new places of worship, from displaying crosses or ringing bells. In sum, they were forbidden most public displays of their religious rituals.”

According to historian Richard Fletcher, “Moorish Spain was not a tolerant and enlightened society even in its most cultivated epoch.” On December 30, 1066, about four thousand Jews in Granada were murdered by rioting Muslim mobs–more than would be killed in the Crusaders’ infamous Rhineland pogroms of the mid-twelfth century. What enraged the Granadan Muslims was the political power of the Jewish vizier Samuel ibn Naghrila and his son Joseph: the mob resented the fact that these men had authority over Muslims, which they saw as a “breach of sharia.” The mob was incited to kill the Jews by a poem composed by Muslim jurist Abu Ishaq: “I myself arrived in Granada and saw that these Jews were meddling in its affairs. … So hasten to slaughter them as a good work whereby you will earn God’s favor, and offer them up in sacrifice, a well-fattened ram.”

The mob heeded his call. A Muslim chronicler (and later sultan of Granada), ‘Abd Allah, said that “both the common people and the nobles were disgusted by the cunning of the Jews, the notorious changes they had brought in the order of things, and the positions they occupied in violation of their pact [of second-class status].” He recounted that the mob “put every Jew in the city to the sword and took vast quantities of their property.”

“Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the Jews…” — Qur’an 5:82.

“Egyptian Cleric Hussam Fawzi Jabar: Hitler Was Right to Do What He Did to the Jews,” from MEMRITV, July 11 (thanks to Inexion):

Following are excerpts from a religious program hosted by Egyptian cleric Hussam Fawzi Jabar, which aired on Al-Nas TV on July 11, 2010:

Hussam Fawzi Jabar: This is the nature of the Jews. By nature, they abhor keeping their commitments. By nature, they hate peace. By nature, they love treachery, betrayal, deception, killing, and blood. This is their nature.

[…]

It is very sad to see some of our own people, who speak our own tongue, try to convince their peoples that the Jews are peace-loving, that a solution to the satisfaction of both parties can be reached with them. I say that whoever says this and tries to convince others should either deny what is said in the Koran and the Sunna, and accept what the Jews say as truth, or else deny what the Jews say and accept what is said in the Koran and the Sunna. There is no third alternative….

[…]

One of the most amazing things I have read is that Hitler said: “I could have annihilated all the Jews of the world, but I left some of them, so that you would understand why I did this to them.” Hitler was right to say what he said and to do what he did to the Jews….

[…]

In Communist and atheist Russia, they would put the Muslims into meat grinders, and they would come out from the other side as minced meat or cold cuts. All this because [the Russians] believe in a religion other than Islam.

Yes, that all happened, and that was why. Of course.

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Comments

  1. says

    as a person was raised in a conservative muslim house hold, I first hand expierienced the intolorance of Isalm in many ways. not against just jews, but every othere tenet thst does not agree with them. I for one adore and admire the Jews. Alexander the great fell, persian empire fell, romans fell, and through out the dark ages of christiany hundreds of thousends of jews were murdered by chritains, and then only 70 years ago Hitler tried to do them in, but they survived through all of this. you have to handed to them. they are very smart people. Just a side track here if I may:

    I love Jewish women and I am dating one now! I taveled to Iran and went to the city of Shiraz were most Iranian jews live and also met lots of Europeopn Jewish women, but none of them appealed to me. I only like theo ones that are born and bred right here in NJ and NY!! the jappier the better!!
    any Ideas why?

  2. says

    Heard in Oz,

    “I wish I was in Kansas,

    “I wish I was in Kansas,

    “I wish I was in Kansas.”

    Heard in Washington,

    “I wish they didn’t hate the Jews,

    “I wish they didn’t hate the Jews,

    “I wish they didn’t hate the Jews.”

  3. says

    Let’s never forget that “war is deceit”. I think throughout most of Islamic history, because Christians and Hindus were the prime enemy, and the Jews represented no threat once Mohammed had vanquished them militarily, it served their purpose to adopt a relatively tolerant attitude to Judaism.
    And Jews, who had suffered much persecution at Christian hands were often willing to help Muslim invaders who seemed to offer some relief from the worst forms of persecution.

    But as soon as Jews began settling in the “land of Islam” on an independent basis, then all changed. The fact that the change coincided with the rise of Nazism slightly distorts the picture, or makes the true picture difficult to see.

  4. says

    Outstanding article by Spencer. Must keep it for reference.

    From page 369 of IN THE EARLIEST BIOGRAPHY OF MUHAMMAD, WRITTEN BY A DEVOUT MUSLIM, MUHAMMAD SAYS “KILL ANY JEW WHO FALLS INTO YOUR POWER”:

    It’s a “beautiful” story of two brothers, Muhayyissa and Huwayyisa:

    “The apostle [Muhammad] said, “Kill any Jew that falls into your power.‘ Thereupon Muhayyisa bin Masud leapt upon Ibn Sunayna, a Jewish merchant with whom they had social and business relations, and killed him. Huwayisa was not a Muslim at the time though he was the elder brother. When Muhayyisa killed [the Jewish merchant] Huwayyisa began to beat [his brother Muhayyisa], saying, ‘You enemy of God, did you kill him when much of the fat on your belly comes from his wealth?’ Muhayyisa answered, ‘Had the one who ordered me to kill him ordered me to kill you I would have cut your head off.’…[Huwayyisa] replied, ‘By God, if Muhammad had ordered you to kill me would you have killed me?’ [Muhayissa] said, ‘Yes, by God, had he ordered me to cut off your head I would have done so.’ [Huwayyisa] exclaimed, “By God, a religion which can bring you to this is marvellous!’ and [Huwayyisa] became a Muslim.” (p. 369).

  5. says

    The koran and other islamic texts are REPLETE with anti-semitism — as the perverted prophet muhammad was anti-semitic himself. And as far as Christians having been anti-semitic, nothing could be further from the truth. Jesus was a Jew, and He loved the Jewish people, so Christians are called to love them as well; and they are also called to love their neighbor, even to the point of loving their enemy. Note: loving ones enemy may include confronting that enemy, as love is not necessarily sugar ‘n spice and everything nice. Love may mean standing on the side of truth and confronting lies. Just to be clear …

  6. says

    It’s interesting to see how textbooks on Western Civilization continue to perpetuate the myth that Jews (and Christians) were treated quite tolerably in the medieval period by Muslims. An example is “Western Civilizations” by Judith Coffin and Robert Stacey, copyright 2008. This is a major texbook used on college campuses across America. I myself have used it.

    On page 261 in the text there is the following line: “Although Islamic society was religiously tolerant, at least with respect to Jews and Christians (who, as dhimmis, ‘peoples of the book,’ were permitted to retain their religions by paying a special tax to their Muslim rulers; pagans, however, were forded to convert to Islam)…” That’s it, just a little old tax for Jews and Christians and nothing else. No mention is made of not being able to build new houses of worship, not being able to preach their faith to Muslims though Muslims could continue to seek converts, being treated as second-class citizens all around and so on. In fact, on a previous page (255) this same text says that for Christians “Islamic conquest brought deliverance, not only from oppressive taxation but also from the persecuting religious authorities of Constantinople…Because the Arabs did not demand that Jews or Christians convert to Islam and because they exacted fewer taxes than the Byzantines and the Persians, they were often preferred to the old rulers.”

    The student reading this will almost certainly conclude that the recently arrived Muslims were nice guys compared to those nasty Byzantines and Sassanians. Real deliverers in fact. Oh sure, there was a tax but, hey, what’s the big deal and, anyway, it was less than these folks were alreedy paying? Jews and Christians had it pretty good under Muslims, no?

    Nothing about the destruction of thousands of churches, nothing about the abduction of Christian daughters and the general humiliation that went along with being a non-Muslim in a Muslim land. And, of course, Islam wasn’t viciously imperiaistic. No, not at all. Vicious imperialism was done by Westerners, not Muslims. By contrast, Islam “expanded.” Islam “grew.” Islam “spread.” Well, this represents just a sampling of the pap that is still being fed to students to this day. Thought some would be interested. It’s deuce difficult to counter this stuff when teaching it because one can only gently indicate that an entirely different historigraphy exists out there which has to be taken into account and indication of this nature (i.e., contradicting a text book) is best done matter of factly rather than with any enthusiasm. I indicate such, but I have to wonder how many other teachers do. The games played about Islam continue, including a very one-sided presentation of Islamic history.

  7. says

    “In Communist and atheist Russia, they would put the muslims into meat grinders, and they would come out from the other side as mince meat or cold cuts.”

    Wouldn’t they have had to say some kind of little prayer or something first to make sure those cold cuts were halal?

    Just askin’…

  8. says

    “In Communist and atheist Russia, they would put the Muslims into meat grinders, and they would come out from the other side as minced meat or cold cuts. All this because [the Russians] believe in a religion other than Islam.”

    Другой холодный бутерброд �ократить пожалуй�та

    Drugoĭ holodnyĭ buterbrod sokratitʹ pozhaluĭsta.

    The stuff those nomads come up with… it’s almost as if they believe it… naaaaaaaaah.

    The truth is they believe anything that portrays them as a victimized group, no matter how fake, fabricated, and childish it is.

  9. says

    “I’m not so sure that ‘Allah’ is nothing more than the same monotheistic entity that Jews and Christians worship. It might be, but there’s evidence that Allah could be a throwback to some deity in the pre-Mohammedan Arab pantheon, say its moon god. Also, Allah comes across as an Orwellian figure, this too being different from the majestic and merciful deity believed in by Jews and Christians. Food for thought.”

    I think what matters is who is Allah to the Muslims today and from the very beginning of Islam. To Muslims, and from the very beginning of Islam, Allah has always been the only true God, the creator of the universe. This is the only common denominator that Jews and Christians have with Muslims.

    This is not to say that Jews, Christians and Muslims have the same conceptualization of this only true God, creator of the universe. Even Jews reject the concept of a Triune God – Three Divine Persons in One God. Does this mean, then, that Jews worship a different God than that which the Christians worship? No, because there is only one true God, creator of the universe.

    Similarly, the Muslims worship this same one true God, creator of the universe – because there’s only one. But Muslims are more than sorely mistaken insofar that they accept Muhammad’s conceptualization of this God/Allah as a God who sanctions murder, deceit, and rape of women and young girls.

    I think the moon-god argument is very flawed. Many ancient people, not only the Arabs, regarded the earth’s moon as God, and thus, referred to it as God in their own language. It just so happens that in Arabic, God = Allah.

    What is of significant importance is also the fact that even before Muhammad came along and founded Islam, Jewish and Christian Arabs have been referring to their God as Allah possibly for hundreds of years before Muhammad. This fact alone should be enough proof of the fallacy of the moon-god argument.

    Again, what matters is who is Allah/God to Muslims? It’s not the earth’s moon. That is just quite silly, to say the least.

  10. says

    “By nature, they abhor keeping their commitments. By nature, they hate peace. By nature, they love treachery, betrayal, deception, killing, and blood. This is their nature.”

    A pretty apt description, don’t you think? Of the guys making this accusation about Jews, I mean.

  11. says

    Well, the word “jappier” is not a word — at least not that I can tell, so I thought that you were simply combining the word “happy” and “Jew” together to make the word “jappier”. No?

    Ok, so what does “jappier” mean?

    :)

  12. says

    The treatment of Christians and Jews under Islamic regimes mirror the treatment of Jews under the Nazi regime up to the beginning of the Holocaust. What’s next? The incrementalist stripping of Jews’ liberties is evidence of Nazi “tolerance”?

  13. says

    You are very correct. All the Jews of these periods were orthodox Jews. The reform Jews are a recent class. As orthodox Jews they were permitted to live in Muslim lands as long as they were dhimmi or second class citizens. They were humiliated daily in public. Kids threw rocks at them and often hit them. They had to defer and grovel before very Muslim.

    It was only very recently when they realized they were humans and started to believe they had equal rights with Muslims that the troubles started. Muslims couldn’t not stand the fact that these dhimmi subhuman Jews had their own country, making their own laws, fighting against Muslims, making new synagogues, and were creating a good place to live. They have lost all protection as dhimmi.
    These muslims long for the time when all nonmuslims were subservient, for them those were th egood old days. but for all nonmuslims in those places those were the days of dhimmitude and slavery to the muslims.

    Well, I have news for you muslims, we are not your slaves, we are not your dhimmis, we will oppose every thing you do to advance to filthy religion. We will try to stop every mosque , every sharia law, every attempt to excert islamic supremecy, and every attempt to make your religion out to be a religion of peace.

  14. says

    “It’s interesting to see how textbooks on Western Civilization continue to perpetuate the myth that Jews (and Christians) were treated quite tolerably in the medieval period by Muslims.”

    Wellington,

    You are 1000% correct. You read history correctly. I believe that many intellectuals have an axe to grind with Christianity and for some reason favor Islam. I suspect that it is the “enemy of my enemy is my friend” thing along with their out-of-hand rejection of real hard facts to reinforce and facilitate their own personal view of the world.

  15. says

    “Islamic conquest brought deliverance, not only from oppressive taxation but also from the persecuting religious authorities of Constantinople…Because the Arabs did not demand that Jews or Christians convert to Islam and because they exacted fewer taxes than the Byzantines and the Persians, they were often preferred to the old rulers.”

    This is powerful propaganda. It is difficult to correct because it is an assertion of fact “they were often preferred to the old rulers” without any citations, and it is a textbook fact. It gets internalised by the reader as truth, without any link to specific events, so debunking it would require proof of near universal dislike of the new rulers. Additionally, any succesful subversion campaign as part of an Islamic conquest (such as buying off a local leader) is supporting evidence for the textbook statement, even though the impression given by it is completely false.

    The varied oppressions Wellington lists do not, of themselves, reverse this impression of hated Byzantine rulers and welcomed, less oppressive Muslims, since they don’t show how soon after conquest the muslims started serious oppression – initially they might have demanded tribute and left people largely alone – a standard tactic for expanding an empire. Welcoming a new conquerer doesn’t mean that they were better, just that they had good P.R.

  16. says

    Hi Ms Champ,

    He is referring to the popular slang, “JAP,” for “Jewish American Princess.” So he likes his women “JAPpy.” Methinks this guy has the classic Middle-Eastern libido!

    Regards!

    G

  17. says

    J.A.P.= Jewish American Princess. Hence, “Jappier” is more Jewish, more American, and more Princess like. Far superior in intelligence,beauty and diginty to that of the cloaked slaves of Mahound.

  18. says

    Miriam,

    That means I think you are a SKIRT-CHASER, LOL!
    This is MUCH more fun than being a burkha-chaser, yes? You are a rascal!

    G

  19. says

    Desi, you have excellent taste. JAP-Ladies are high among the most beautiful, intelligent and desirable women on this planet! Islamists would hide their beauty and decry their intelligence. Like you and Miriam, I admire and celebrate it!

  20. says

    While Islam indeed is a religion that has many evil elements in it (including its supremacist ideology), I would not agree to the statement that says that Islam is totally evil.

    Allah/God is not the problem of Islam. Muhammad is, and all the evil commandments that he has attributed to Allah/God.

    Muslims are doing good when they humbly praise and worship Allah/God, creator of the universe. This is the only good thing I can think of about Islam.

    But they are more than sorely mistaken when they commit evil in the name of Allah/God because all the evil commandments attributed to Allah/God by Muhammad are definitely not from Allah/God. Why should we accept that narrative from a false prophet?

    Allah/God did not issue all the evil commandments that are found in Islam. Muhammad said He did, but Muhammad was a false prophet, so why accept his narrative about Allah/God without question?

    Arabic “Allah” = English “God”
    See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah

  21. says

    I agree with you, Living Stone, that Islam is not totally evil (this actually functions as a major part of the reason why it fools so many people), but I’m not so sure that “Allah” is nothing more than the same monotheistic entity that Jews and Christians worship. It might be, but there’s evidence that Allah could be a throwback to some deity in the pre-Mohammedan Arab pantheon, say its moon god. Also, Allah comes across as an Orwellian figure, this too being different from the majestic and merciful deity believed in by Jews and Christians. Food for thought.

  22. says

    Silly, yes. Possible, yes too, in the sense of incorporating aspects of some other god or gods and amalgamating it with the Judeo-Christian conceptions of a higher authority. After all, isn’t Islam silly, and so why not the god it posits as the be all and end all?