Apologists for Islam like to quote Qur'an 2:256, which states that there is "no compulsion in religion." There are, however, myriad forms of coercion, from the jizya tax mandated by Qur'an 9:29 to oppressive dhimma laws, and of course, outright warfare and all of its provisions for plunder, captivity, slavery, and rape (sex with captives and slaves, per Qur'an 4:24).
That same dynamic is in play here: There is no compulsion in religion, but they'll do their utmost to make non-Muslims "an offer they can't refuse." "Punjab soup kitchen forbidden to Christians," from Asia News, July 8:
Anaheim (AsiaNews / ANS) - In Toba Tek Singh in Punjab, the local government forbids poor Christians from taking advantage of a meals service because of their faith. This is revealed by a survey Assist News Service, an agency of the Protestant community.
Recently, the Punjab government decided to offer a free meal service called "dastar Khwan" for the poor, inviting entrepreneurs and philanthropists of every state to finance the project, built largely with public money. The authorities have opened canteens in different areas and villages in the province where every day from 13.00 to 15:00 lunch is served for poor people at a cost of only 9 cents. The initiative was a success all over the Punjab, but not in the district of Toba TAK Singh where many Christians were prevented from buying the meal token.
20 year old Christian Naqash Gill said: "I went to one of the stalls with some friends for a meal. There were four of us and we paid for the meal token. When food was being served, suddenly a security guard came out waving a gun, shouting, 'Hey, you Christians, you have to leave here. The meals are not for you'." "We tried to speak to the manager, - he added - but the gunman continued to point his weapon at us and ordered us to shut up".
Ashiqi Masih, a poor man who is well known among Muslims for his Christian faith, decided instead to rebel against the discriminatory treatment. "I argued with the manager of the kiosk - he said - stressing that the government has never allowed discrimination against Christians. I said if this was their policy, why not put a sign on the stand saying: 'Only for Muslims ?".
These facts have led the Christian community to turn to politicians, merchants, lawyers, journalists and Muslim religious leaders to resolve the situation which could lead to tension among the population. Some local leaders, including Labour Party of Pakistan member Tariq Mehmood and member of the Punjab AssemblyMohammed Rafique, have condemned discrimination. They explained the situation of the district administration, stressing that the concerns of the Christian community are shared by moderate Muslims.
In response to the accusations, a district spokesman says the government has no policy of discrimination toward Christians. "The citizens - he stated - have to resolve problems among themselves. The government only has the task of providing flour subsidies."
Rasheed Jalal, head of minorities in the Pakistan Muslim League - PML says that if the problem is not resolved peacefully, Christians have the right to require the district to suspend the grants. "The subsidy - he says - is paid with public money collected from all citizens and must be used for a common goal".
Ch Muhammad Saeed, President of the District Council on Agriculture and a member of Jamiat Islami, says he wants to build a free school meal service open to all poor people and without discrimination based on religion, ethnicity or caste. "Muslims - he says - will eat together with our Christian brothers to foster peace and harmony in the district of Toba Tek Singh." The news was generally welcomed by the Christian community that hopes to see the actual implementation of these promises.
But they remain at the mercy of their local Muslim overlords.
This is the thing that gets me over and over and over about Islam, it's utter lack of comprehension about what charity and mercy etc. mean!!! I know of no other religion that does this; certainly the Hindus and Buddhists do not follow this sick and twisted concept of who and what is "holy".
Abrogation, anti-Semitism, systemic insecurities leading to abuse, a history of failed attempts at reform, embracing tribalistic nepotism and corruption, and most of all a source culture that reveres the concept of the "Righteous Raider" embracing the following of authority no matter what; at least until someone else manages to steal the reins of power and tell others what to do.
Innovation and creativity are anathama to the Imams' culture of death.
http://hereticscrusade.com
This was bad enough when I assumed this was a restaurant or food stall that would not serve Christians—then I realized it is a soup kitchen—a *charity*—and a government-run charity, at that.
More:
In response to the accusations, a district spokesman says the government has no policy of discrimination toward Christians. "The citizens - he stated - have to resolve problems among themselves. The government only has the task of providing flour subsidies."
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Since *when*? The primary role of any decent government—which of course leaves out Pakistan—is to protect its citizens from violence and injustice.
Genocide, according to the 1948 United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (CPPCG), is defined as:
"any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and] forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."
With that in mind, everything about islam is to inflict genocide against non-muslims, from denying muslim women the right to marry a non-muslim (children are the faith of their father according to islam) to the dhimmi conditions that prevent repairing old or building new churches to what we see in this article, restrictions and intimidation that discourage the 'compulsion' of exploring and embracing different religions.
When you come right down to it, islam is genocide. Everything about the 'religion of peace' destroys in some way or in some form everything and anything non-islamic.
That is genocide, by definition.
Islam is no better than nazism. In fact, in some ways its much worse. The nazis did treat their own women and children better than muslims treat theirs.
But Pakistan is itself One Big Soup Kitchen, and it is the Americans, who are doling out the soup, that is the tens of billions of dollars of economic and military aid. And apparently we are serving only the Muslims, for when it is the turn of the Pakistani officials, after they've taken their cut, to let some of the aid trickle down, they don't let the aid from the Infidels go, in turn, to any Pakistani Infidels.
Will this matter be raised on the floor of Congress?
It better be.
Oh....my....God!
Soup Nazis! (In more ways than one!)
There is no truth in the claim that Islam is a Religion of Peace....
Have to agree with Hugh here. There is absolutely no reason to send money to our enemies. None.
Andrew McCarthy on Sharia in Africa:
http://article.nationalreview.com/437760/elena-kagans-dont-ask-dont-tell-sharia-policy/andrew-c-mccarthy
Whoops. I meant this link:
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MGVjYWQ0NTllN2I3ZGNkOGZmOTMzMDgwZDVhYzc5N2Q=
After shelling out billions of US tax dollars, what are Keery or Lugar going to do about this? For that matter, State Department / Hillary Clinton?
Two classic texts, one from the Qur'an, one from the Sira of Ibn Ishaq, that reveal the Muslim attitude toward all that is not Muslim.
"Muhammad is Allah's Apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another” (Qur'an, Sura 48:29).
(Of course, as we have seen on many occasions, Muslims are ruthless toward one another, as well as toward non-Muslims; it seems to be terribly easy for a Muslim to reclassify another Muslim as not being Muslim, and therefore, as Lawful Prey).
Ibn Ishaq:231 - “Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders.”
And a third text that reveals Islam as being, indeed, a religion of War:
Ibn Ishaq: 204 - “‘Men, do you know what you are pledging yourselves to in swearing allegiance to this man [Muhammad]?’ ‘Yes. In swearing allegiance to him we are pledging to wage war against all mankind.’”
America should deny aid to every entity enforcing partial or complete Sharia law. I don't want one cent of my tax dollars supporting Islam. Unfortunately America's leaders keep sending my money to support countries enforcing Sharia law, year after year. This needs to stop.
During discussions on the internet with muslims they at some point are guaranteed to protest that they honour, revere and love the Old Testament prophets and Jesus. It seems never to enter their heads that they are speaking about the islamic versions of said prophets, nor that it might be considered presumptious to hijack other belief systems and ....hummm abrogate their tenets.
Most amazing shall always be the ability of islam to twist denunciations and supremacism into peace, tolerance, harmony, bridge building, interfaith and dialogue etc etc. Also the ability of muslim to profess they are very much hurt and insulted if discrepancies are pointed out can be almost convincing.
“No Compulsion in Religion” 2:256 (early Mecca verse as Mr. “Love & Peace™” still wore a mask to woo new converts and his preaching was sugary) Abrogated (Naskh) “canceled” through the later (Medina) “Verse of the Sword” 9:5 “Kill the pagans (infidels, kuffar, unbelievers, etc.) wherever you find them.”
Abrogation (Naskh)
http://schnellmann.org/abrogation.html
"The Qur'an's tolerant verses: "canceled" (pdf 1.3 MB)
Porkiestan, after 50 years of being loyal allies, after billions given to them as well as a modern military, any gratitude yet? Any trickle down of American values of tolerance and fairness?
A paradox for Indians, despite the 50 years of Christian America treating this porkiestan almost like the 51't state, and supporting them against Hindu India, the Porkies still treat the Christians as dogs and the common porkie is still anti American as ever. while many hindu/christian/sikh Indians admire the USA and appreciate American values and culture. go figure.
If Mr. "Love and Peace" at that stage had aspirations he also knew very well he had better be quiet about them. He may very well have been "Prince Charming" too with a ready smile, but I think it strangely obvious from everything I read he did NOT like being laughed at: he would have a grudge and never forget it.
It is not unusual for a prophet to gather his faithfuls and wander off in search of a place where there where he can have sole control, where is heard no laughter, criticism and opposition (in islamospeak "abuse"). Jim Jones, David Koresh, Joseph Smith or any guru in possession of a following come to mind.
..You forgot one there Steffen,(I'm sure there's more)..Remember good ol' Charlie Manson? If not, here's a reminder..Now throw a turban on him and presto! Yeah I know..Ouiche was Aisha..
http://www.occhirossi.it/Serial_Killer/Charles-Manson-1.jpg
Yeah..The "new" mohoomad..Two bricks short of a load..
desidude - A paradox for Indians, despite the 50 years of Christian America treating this porkiestan almost like the 51't state, and supporting them against Hindu India, the Porkies still treat the Christians as dogs and the common porkie is still anti American as ever.
You have jumbled a number of points together here so can I make 2 humble points in response.
1) Islam is charitable - very charitable; indeed the 4th pillar of Islam of "donating alms" has the wider objective of giving. I have seen this in action many times, there can be no doubt of it in my mind. The point that you are missing ofcourse is that this charity is given through faith, 1st by thanking Allah for being given the opportunity to donate.
There are so many deserving cases, so many mouths to feed and not enough to go round. So that charity is given 1st and formost to muslims - and - if there is any left over then others are considered. Remember that the over-riding objective of Islam is to support muslims without whom there can be no Islam. So although the policeman went the wrong way about dealing with the situation (showing a gun), he should have explained that muslims are fed 1st, & if there is any left at the end of the day - they are welcome to it -to please come back in the evening just before closing time.
Desidude, I hope this clears up the confusion in your mind -this is not personal, it's making the best use of resources to support the objective.
2) Americans are s*it scared of 9/11. They do not know how to fight enemies who don't wear proper military uniforms. Like many things in life, you pay for expertise and you pay to distance yourself away from troubles. America has seen the troubles that the British, and then the Russians have had against ruggied rag-tag armies and want to learn. Pakistan has provided that expertise but in the process over 7000 Pakistani Jawans have been sent to God providing the expertise. These could have been Americans - but they are not - so America clearly thinks it is doing the right thing for it's christians.
For the loss of it's young, Pakistan abvioulsy needs some compensation for it's efforts and loss and (for now) America agrees and compensates.
The fact that the people on JW don't agree has nothing to do with it, but as the recession hits hard on you folk & America has no maney left, obviously "christian charity" must go out of the window as far as you are concerned. I understand your concerns, but Pakistan is doing it's best, so please bear with them & keep paying for the expertise.
Roland, nowhere, and I mean nowhere have I heard anyone from Pakistan asking for food for their starving population. If they had, they would have received it.
You are one sick puppy.
I am surprised none of the mohammadans or apologists on here are screaming "it's a cultural thing!"
Is it possible that none of you vile creatures can use your infamous mental and verbal acrobatics to twist this into a "cultural thing"?
God knows, if it was an infidel group doing this to mohammadans you'd all be on here screaming "racists and bigots!"
Kind of like Israel denying WEAPONS to the Fakistinians. You call that racist, genocide, bigotry..blah, blah, blah.
Yet mohammadans are denying FOOD to infidels and nary a peep out of you. Shows your true colours.
You bloody apologists, useful idiots and idiot reverts should be sent packing to the mohammadan country of your choice. You do not deserve to live in the West just as I do not for being an idiot revert. At least I have the decency to admit my mistakes and separate myself from all that's good. I gave up my rights to the freedoms, equality and safety that is afforded to those living in western countries the moment the vile shahada crossed my lips in arabic. You give up those rights every time you defend the vile ROP from a western country.
You, however, are cowards who defend your precious mohammadans and their fallacious ROP from the comfort and security of whichever western country you are practicing your hypocrisy and betrayal from. I don't have that luxury nor do I deserve it. You don't deserve it either.
You evil fools should man up and move to a mohammadan country to defend your precious ROP.
Twats.
Roland..Keep paying? With what? Ask China..They are your closest ally aren't they/it? It amazes me how the Frontier Post and/or The News even stay afloat. Pakistan is doomed.Was from the start. Lousy foundations don't last long.And islam f**ks it up and islam f**ked it up from the beginning.All these attacks..Stop fu**ing..be like China. It's a horny world,but c'mon,contraceptives work. Go ahead,f++k y'er brains out,but don't expect us..West..to pay for your irresponsibility forever.(past forever already)
You vile, disgusting and useless creature.
Move to the mohammadan country of your choice if you feel it's so bloody wonderful.
Why don't you? Afraid you will lose the comforts of the western country you are defending your sickening ROP from?
You cowardly piece of excrement.
Charlie Manson! I knew there was one right at the edge of my memory. Thanks, he´s an obvious manipulative madman and suits very well. Once your followers have committed the first crime they are truly yours.
Another matter: isn´t it odd I can check my little contribution here again and again before submitting, and when it finally is posted - with great foreboding and trepidation - the errors immediately stare glaringly up at me. Grrr.
Istanbul_Chick - You vile, disgusting and useless creature.
Flattery is gonna get you nowhere.
Seriously, those who cannot make logical arguments without resorting to emotion will in the main be women, and you have gone a loing way in proving this. Islam has forbidden "chicks" to try and make these arguments because they are no good at them, please calm down.
What are you actually trying to say with this pointless statement?
Istanbul_Chick - Afraid you will lose the comforts of the western country you are defending your sickening ROP from?
That sounds like your story to me. You are the one missing creatue comforts. Islam is Islam - creature comforts do not come into the equation. When it's time to pray - it's time to pray.
My dear, you need to get a life - sounds like you are not enjoying the one you have; Can I ask, "Why are you in Istanbul? What problems do you have there?"
I have been to Istanbul, the people are very friendly there and you should be having no problems there.
You are the perfect example of an idiot revert.
I was like you once. I lost my right to live in the west when I reverted.
You, however, are a coward.
Why isn't your evil arse living in the mohammadan country of your choice?
Guess you're a big enough man to support a misogynistic evil ideology but not man enough to live in one of those misogynistic countries wholly practicing it.
It has ocurred to me that most readers who come here know nothing of the BARNABASFUND.My friends,alot of Christians are being persecuted,killed,discriminated ONLY for being non-Muslim.
What can be done?Instead of just feeling sad you can go to the barnabas fund’s website and find out about them,donate so they can really help people in danger.Check them out,they are for helping in practical ways:
http://barnabasfund.org/
Read about their PROJECTS,how they intend to help with real help:
http://barnabasfund.org/US/Projects/
Istanbul_Chick - Why isn't your evil arse living in the mohammadan country of your choice?
You are certainly a bitter and twisted woman - and I do feel sorry for you, please refrain from personal attacks; as this does befit a responsible muslimah - which you need to accept ASAP to be happy.
I am not living in an Islamic country at the moment - because Islam is expanding. Allah gave Mohammed a piece of cloth and explained the concept of NEWS - North, East West and South. This means that it is safe and advisable for muslims to live in any part of the world and make it home.
This is what is happening now, even die hard westerns know about Moques, Koran , Jizyah, shariat - these are common everyday words. Imam Rauf is setting up a mosque near ground zero, soon there will be assura celebrations there too.
On this basis there really is no need for me to move anywhere, it's home to home really.
Please chill in Istanbul - make yourself at home.
I am NOT a muslimah you evil ignorant piece of human excrement.
You have all the "creature comforts" in the west because other evil pieces of human excrement have NOT taken over.
You ZERO right to live in the west. No revert does. At least I am honest enough to admit my mistake. You and other sick reverts like you are too frightened to practice what you preach. Your only right is to live in a sharia practicing country.
At least you are up front about you Mohammedan supremest views.
You write that the Muslims should be fed first, and others are welcome to the scraps, if there are any left. That is vile. And public money is used to subsidize these meals, which you conveniently forget to mention.
As far as Americans not knowing how to fight enemies that are not uniformed, did you ever hear something called drone strikes ?
"...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag, and this excludes the red flag which symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it excludes any flag of a nation to which we are hostile. We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language...and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."
Theodore Roosevelt wrote those words in regards to America but they should apply to all non-muslim countries.
islamic reverts and born mohammadans cannot be loyal to any country but an islamic country.
They call themselves muslims first.
Their loyalty is to islam, mohammad and the ummah.
So,once they swear the shahada in arabic they, like my idiot self, give up any and all rights to live in a non-muslim country.
Just because satan told that dirty desert conman that all of the world belongs to allah it doesn't make it true.
Istanbul-chick - I am NOT a muslimah.
If you have read the sahada - you are a muslimah.
Stop with the sob story - you are now a slave of Allah - period.
You have now started a wonderful journey down a one way street. There is no going back. No one is stopping you from leaving Istanbul - and that's no bull but you cannot leave Islam.
Study well and study hard aqnd keep up with the prayers "sister".
That is an excellent observation DJM ! Though I have read the UN convention on Genocide, this time, as I read it through again in your post, it struck me: Hey ! according to UN, Islam is a genocidal religion !! And sure, down below in your post you too have observed it !!
Good that you connected the UN definition of Genocide with Islam !! Good work.
Sanjay
"roland" is looking more and more like "barcode" all the time. He is now making misogynist remarks (to add to his race-baiting and Hindu-insulting remarks which I noted recently). He wrote:
"Troland"
Why would a Christian want to risk eating a meal prepared by those who freely express intent to poison and kill them?
I am NOT your sister because I make no bones about being an apostate from that vile cult and I do not lie about my abject hatred of not just islam but muslims. Especially reverts like you.
You've not only drunk the kool-aid but you've eaten the dhimmi pie.
Your sick,twisted logic and complete arrogance makes you sound just like born muslim.
Tell me, what sin did your mother and grandmothers commit to get them sent to hell and at what age will you look at your own daughters as walking vaginas that need to be covered with slave rags?
And you have a complete lack of reading comprehension which is so typical of mohammadans.
I never said anyone but myself was forcing me to stay in dar al islam. No revert, even apostates who pulled their heads out of their arses like myself, deserves to live in any non-muslim country.
I usually let the committed muslims dig themselves a hole. The cultural divide is too great and they always bring up something that is wholly incompatible with Western laws, behavior and culture in general.
Usually merely catching them in denying facts in the Quran suffices though. A bit of misogynist disdain and a hint of racism is an extra bonus: I need no longer care about what they have to say on other subjects.
Any relgion that forbids the followers of other religions to enter their places of worship is not a religion. Any religion that practices charities on the basis of caste , color and creed is not a religion. Any religion that uses force to convert is not religion. Any religion that converts taking advantage of human compulsions(poverty , disease,famine etc )is not a religion. Thank God I'm a Sikh and not a Muhammadan. Sikh Gurdwaras(Sikh temples)feed millions of people around the world in their Langars(free kitchens)regardless of their caste, creed, color, and without any coersion to convert.
I apologise for not editing my earlier comment.
Okay, kids, play fairly.
Under Sharia law, Muslims charities are forbidden to spend money on non-Muslims. The "pillar" of charitable donations is only to help Muslims.