Obama calls Islam a "great religion," decries "radical Islam"

Radical Islam...Too bad Helen Thomas is not around to ask Robert Gibbs to define it...

Robert Gibbs...Explain what is great about Islam...

Well...........Uh.............HMMM...........I'll check on that and get back to you.....

NOBAMA 2012!!

Islam is not a great religion as are other religions like Christianity, Judaism and Buddhism. Islam is merely a major religion. It should NEVER be called great. And even if the vast majority of Muslims reject violence and intolerance (they don't), so what? Islamic theory is riddled with demands for violence and intolerance when Islam doesn't get its way. About no other major faith's theory can this be accurately said. In short, Islam is rotten to the core and other major religions aren't.

During the Cold War most Communist Party members in Poland, Bulgaria, Romania, the Soviet Union, in Western countries like Italy and France, etc., were just functionaries who weren't personally prepared to carry out Marxist directives like world revolution and violently sweeping away the middle and upper classes, but this didn't make Communism OK. Ditto for Islam. So tired of the Western elites, be they politicians, academics or media types stuck on stupid about this.

Obama will next year want to be able to explain the "loss" of Iraq, and, subsequently, the putative "loss" of Afghanistan -- in reality the removal of American and NATO troops will not lead to a "loss" but to the only possible "victory" over the Camp of Islam that is possible -- because internecine warfare in Iraq and Afghanistan, as these places relapse into their natural state, can only help to divide and demoralize the Camp of Islam, and to cause it to use up its resources, its men, its money, its materiel, especially in the low-level conflict over power and wealth, between Sunni and Shi'a Arabs, in Iraq. He will want to be protected, especially with an election looming, to devastating and, if he doesn't adopt the right approach, undanswerable political attack. That will require him, even if for the wrong, reasons, to come to and base policy on, the right understanding of Islam and the threat of Jihad, and especially to understand that while Iran can only be dealt with militarily, the main threats come from deployment of the Money Weapon, campaigns of Da'wa and propaganda, and demographic conquest. unanswerable political attack.

In other words, he will have to come to conclusions, or to justifications, for the removal of the troops, and the "loss" which will be in truth a victory, similar to those I have been putting up here for the past six years. He may not wish to agree, or even pretend to agree, but he will, for political reasons, be forced to do so.

And who knows? Having been forced, out of political considerations, to do so, perhaps he will begin to understand Islam, to give up his Third-World sympathies, to pluck out of his mental universe the "narrative" provided by the likes of Rashid khalidi, to even invite in for discussions such people as Wafa Sultan and Ayaan Hirsi Ali, and to learn what he should have learned about long ago, instead of being satisfied with pieties that may be thought of as Burnt Offerings on the Altar of the Idols of the Age, Diversity and Tolerance, but in Islam there is no tolerance in the Western sense, and no true diversity either, for ideally the whole world should be Muslim. He should come to be embarrassed about his own early, and ignorantly knee-jerk, defense of Islam (that business about taking the side of Muslims should they feel threatened, in one of his tw0 In Search Of Myself books). It will be something to watch.

Obama called Islam "a great religion," but added that the radical version views as anti-Islam "any efforts to modernize, any efforts to provide basic human rights, any efforts to democratize."

Unfortunately, the "radical version" is not alone in its views, which are shared by the militant, fundamentalist, and traditionalist "versions". They all consider the only "versions" of Islam that reject these views, such as the Ahmadis, to be not-Islamic.
And as for Islam's views on black Africa: it's considered as it always has been, a source of slaves -- suitably neutered in the case of the males.

This is sooooo politically-incorrect. But the following occurred to me:

As far as I'm aware, this is the FIRST time that President Hussein has deviated from his lovefest with islam. He's minimized all the previous attacks and attempts, reserving his concern for the perpetrators. Until now, that is. Why the sudden departure? Could it be that it's because this time his fellow Africans, people with whom he identifies, (as opposed to Americans with whom he clearly does not) were the victims? Is he more concerned for the safety of Uganda than that of America? Does he place race before (his own) country? Why else would he only speak-out NOW, in the wake of THIS attack?

I've heard it claimed that Obama is a very smart man. Really? He's yet again placed himself where troubling questions can be raised about his loyalties and priorities.
He comes-off to me as a bumpkin, a bumbler, secretive where he should be forthcoming and vice-versa. And quite possibly a Black-racist, among other things...

He's simply worried about his declining polls.

Doesn't Obama know all Islam is radical or is he practicing taqiyya? Greatness of a religion is shown how its followers practice it and we all know how Muslims practice it - in no way its any kind of religion let alone a great religion.

Just a political ploy. He knows the criticism against his pro-islamist policies are mounting.

Just got done watching Fox News and Mara Liasson and Charles Krauthammer (Stephen Hayes too) were talking about this very matter of Obama using the term "radical Islam." Liasson was particularly inept (she so often is though I think she's a nice lady) because she went on about how the radicals in Islam have distorted the real Islam (does this woman have ANY idea what the "real" Islam really says?). But even Krauthammer, who was definitely better than Liasson, still implied that the distinction between radical Islam and Islam is a valid one, never mind that Erdogan of Turkey has told the world that there is only one Islam, as have countless Muslims throughout history as well as those non-Muslims like John Quincy Adama, Arthur Schopenhauer, Winston Churchill, Bertrand Russell and Oriana Fallaci who knew better than to do anything approaching the positing of a "good Islam" versus a "bad Islam." Long way to go yet.

It's telling that the only time Obama can come anywhere close to condemning Islam (or "Radical Islam"), it's when Blacks are targeted. This statement he made:

"What you've seen in some of the statements that have been made by these terrorist organisations is that they do not regard African life as valuable in and of itself,"

Is both foolish and disgusting. Someone needs to tell Mr. Obama that Al Qaeda doesn't regard ANY life as valuable, especially the lives of infidels, but including their own as well! Their whole business is in dealing death. It doesn't matter if they are Black, White, or Purple. There were people of ALL races and colours in those planes, in those two towers, on the USS Cole, and serving in Iraq and Afghanistan. Al Qaeda doesn't care. They don't have a special disregard for "Africans". Indeed, one of their major affiliates, "Al-Shabab", the very folk who carried out this attack, are comprised almost solely of.... *gasp*... BLACK AFRICANS!

That Obama plays this up as an issue of black victimhood cements in my previously doubtful mind that he is a racist, cracker hating PoS.

the kenyan has no credibility, and since he was raised a muslim he should know (and probably does), that there is only one islam.

Has anyone ever accused obama of telling the truth?

Based on the guesstimates as to the total human death toll exacted by Mohammedans during the past 1400 years of jihad mass murder, mass enslavement, forced removals and systematic destruction of life-support-systems (by burning of crops, cutting down of orchards and forests, pillage of farms etc.), some 270 million, Africa comes out as the single biggest contributor of victims - maybe as many as 120 million - and then, close behind Africa, with at least 80 million probable victims, India - where the native Hindus were despised as 'black crows'.

http://www.politicalislam.com/tears/pages/tears-of-jihad/

From that link:

"Thomas Sowell [Thomas Sowell, Race and Culture, BasicBooks, 1994, p. 188] estimates that 11 million slaves were shipped across the Atlantic and 14 million were sent to the Islamic nations of North Africa and the Middle East.

"For every slave captured many others died.

"Estimates of this collateral damage vary. The renowned missionary David Livingstone estimated that for every slave who reached a plantation, five others were killed in the initial raid or died of illness and privation on the forced march.[Woman’s Presbyterian Board of Missions, David Livingstone, p. 62, 1888] Those who were left behind were the very young, the weak, the sick and the old. These soon died since the main providers had been killed or enslaved.

"So, for 25 million slaves delivered to the market, we have an estimated death of about 120 million people.** Islam ran the wholesale slave trade in Africa** {my emphasis - dda}.

120 million Africans".

I wonder whether Tidiane N'Diaye, Francophone black historian, author of Le Genocide Voile ('The Veiled, or Hidden, Genocide'), could be prevailed upon to write a formal letter to President Barack Obama of the United States, or even seek audience with him, in order to tell him a few home truths about the annihilation which Islam for 12 centuries has visited upon Black Africa? And if Obama cannot be reached, then perhaps there are other black Americans in high office, or aspirant to high office, who might benefit from N'Diaye's information?

Unfortunately, N'Diaye's book is not yet available in English; which is a great pity.

I observed, recently, that the Barnabas Fund is about to bring out a book that focuses in on just one small part of Islam's deadly record in black Africa.

http://www.barnabasfund.org/AU/News/Archives/Tainted-Legacy-A-new-title-from-Professor-Yusufu-Turaki.html

From the preliminary blurb:

"In recent years violent attacks by Muslims in Nigeria have left thousands of Christians dead. Much of the conflict has occurred in the Middle Belt, and also in the North where the Church is a small and vulnerable minority. Islamic sharia is the main source of law in the North, and some Islamists there are calling for the establishing of an Islamic state.

"In this important study **Professor Yusufu Turaki traces the origins of the current crisis to the historical impact of Islam on Northern Nigerian society.** {my emphasis - dda}.

" He discusses the nature and significance of Islamic colonialism and slavery in West Africa, and how their malign influence was entrenched by the British colonial administration of the twentieth century. {In other words, the British were suckered by the Muslims into siding with the Muslims...an all too common error of colonial administrations - dda}.

"These practices, he argues, have bequeathed a tainted legacy of discrimination and cruelty to the Christians of Northern Nigeria."

So, in other words, Islam is "great" just as long as someone doesn't follow it too closely. Thanks for clearing that up for us, Mr. President.

Sorry Mr. Obama, there is only one version of Islam and that only version obligates all Muslims to make unbelievers submit to the authority of Islam or die. Hence, you can shirk your responsibility to protect the American people and pretend that there is a radical version of Islam, but smarter people see through your ignorance and know that you are grossly incompetent.

"ideological battles that kill innocents without regard to long-term consequences for their short-term tactical gains.."

Notice that what he states as being wrong is not the killing of innocents but the consequences, the long term consequences which he does not specify but are understood to be: do you go for the kill now or do you wait patiently to strike all out having, better technology, deeper infiltration, more missiles, hundreds of nukes..This is the only true dispute of all muslims and the reason some dislke the "radical" elements within islam and this applies to obam as well.The astute realize that for now attacking and murdering infidels is premature and perhaps tactically disadvantageous in the long term, as well as being counter productive for the wellbeing and spread of isalm in the short term.
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Obama, if islam is so great, then why are muslims leaving it in droves ...

Why Mohammed was not a prophet:

One who claims to be a messenger of God is expected to live a saintly life. He must not be given to lust, he must not be a sexual pervert, and he must not be a rapist, a highway robber, a war criminal, a mass murderer or an assassin. One who claims to be a messenger of God must have a superior character. He must stand above the vices of the people of his time. Yet Muhammad’s life is that of a gangster godfather. He raided merchant caravans, looted innocent people, massacred entire male populations and enslaved the women and children. He raped the women captured in war after killing their husbands and told his followers that it is okay to have sex with their captives and their “right hand possessions” (Quran 33:50) He assassinated those who criticized him and executed them when he came to power and became de facto despot of Arabia. Muhammad was bereft of human compassion. He was an obsessed man with his dreams of grandiosity and could not forgive those who stood in his way. Muhammad was a narcissist like Hitler, Saddam or Stalin. He was astute and knew how to manipulate people, but his emotional intelligence was less evolved than that of a 6-year-old child. He simply could not feel the pain of others. He brutally massacred thousands of innocent people and pillaged their wealth. His ambitions were big and as a narcissist he honestly believed he is entitled to do as he pleased and commit all sorts of crimes and his evil deeds are justified.

Why Quran is not from God:

Muhammad produced no miracles and when pressed he claimed that his miracle is the Quran. Yet a cursory look at the Quran reveals that this book is full of errors. Quran is replete with scientific heresies, historic blunders, mathematical mistakes, logical absurdities, grammatical errors and ethical fallacies. It is badly compiled and it contradicts itself. There is nothing intelligent in this book let alone miraculous. Muhammad challenged people to produce a “Surah like it” or find an error therein, yet Muslims would kill anyone who dares to criticize it. In such a climate of hypocrisy and violence truth is the first casualty.

Excerpt:
http://www.apostatesofislam.com/

Obama calls Islam a "great religion," decries "radical Islam"
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The worst thing is that this is—God help us!—Barack Obama at his *best*—a sort of weak tea George Bush, without the moral clarity and with even less excuse for such ignorance, nine years on.

Here's our own Bosch Fawstin (Pigman) in Capitalism Magazine—Robert Spencer has had articles published here as well. This seems especially salient here:

"Calling Islam 'Islam'"

Western intellectuals and commentators refer to the enemy's ideology as:

"Islamic Fundamentalism", "Islamic Extremism", "Totalitarian Islam", "Islamofascism", "Political Islam", "Militant Islam", "Bin Ladenism", "Islamonazism", "Radical Islam", "Islamism", etc....

The enemy calls it "Islam".

http://www.capitalismmagazine.com/culture/religion/6024-Calling-Islam-Islam.html

Rasulullah Obama a Mahoundian?...Because his birth place, birth certificate, actual nationality, every kind of his his historical record, have been removed or sealed few people can say much of anything about him with certainty...Maybe he's a Mahoundian, maybe he's not, maybe he's a 'Manchurian Candidate' maybe he's not...Maybe he is an x CIA agent, maybe he's not. Maybe he's just a well meaning dunderhead, maybe he's not...But what we do know about him, is that he holds the Presidential record for fibbing, and he's just getting started...

Explaining the President's remarks an administration official said the following:

"Al Qaeda recruits have said that al Qaeda is racist
against black members from West Africa because they are only used in lower level operations."

I think that Eric Holder, the Equal Opportunity Employment Commission, the NAACP etc. should immediately file anti-discrimination lawsuits against Al Qaeda until they agree to follow affirmative action guidelines; that will show them. You don't mess with this administration; now they're really mad.

So is Nazism a great religion also? are we to separate those radical nazis who believe in shoving Jews into gas chambers and ovens from the nice peaceful nazis who did nothing like that? so what is real peaceful nazism? perhaps the peaceful nazis were the ones who kept tight order, brought pride...., advanced science and technology(specially military tech), made the trains run like clockwork, brought efficiency to mass...ridding of vermins and the like.

oh, yes those peace loving nazis have nothing to do with the radical nazis just like those peace loving Muslims have nothing to do with the radical Muslims.

"Islamic Fundamentalism", "Islamic Extremism", "Totalitarian Islam", "Islamofascism", "Political Islam", "Militant Islam", "Bin Ladenism", "Islamonazism", "Radical Islam", "Islamism", etc..."

To name is to know, to know is to control. We are outta control.

Taqiyya, politics, I can't tell them apart with O'Ummah.

Yep, I tend to concur that Obama isn't a Muslim, theologically or culturally. He's a PCMC leftist multiculturalist from head to toe. Although, of course that will lead him to side with Islam against conservative Westerners any day of the week, so maybe it's just a semantic difference as far as that goes.

Obama’s remark may be his first honest comment about Islam, although he probably doesn’t realize it. The word “radical” comes from the word “root,” as in radish. The radical version of Islam is rooted in the original, pure Islamic doctrine. Yes, indeed, that radical version of Islam views any effort to modernize, to provide basic human rights, or to move toward democracy as anti-Islam. As Muhammad himself said, “Beware of matters newly begun, for every innovation is misguidance, and every misguidance is hell.” That’s radical, alright.

Well, we can all disagree about 'what' Obama is and isn't but nobody can deny the man is a blatant, unrepentant liar.

The Obama administration is giving $160 million dollars to Pennsylvania to set up a new high-risk insurance pool that will cover every abortion that is legal in Pennsylvania. Several other states are getting funds for high-risk pools, which will also cover abortions.

I realize this has nothing to do with jihad but it is proof that the man is a treacherous ideologue who holds the American people in utter comtempt. This guy hates us, is out to punish us, and as outrageous as it may sound, is hell-bent on destroying America as we know it. How many times did he stand before the cameras and call the Republicans liars for suggesting that his health care debacle would cover abortions? How many?! Actually, the hypocrite had the audacity to say that the Republicans were "bearing false witness". To me, this is unforgivable and reduces Barak Hussein Obama to the level of a third-world tyrant like Hugo Chavez or Castro. God knows what is next on his diabolical agenda.