Torture: the foosball table looks old
"Life skills" classes? Hey, I thought Obama was going to cut out the torture!
From the bulging How-Can-I-Get-Sentenced-To-Gitmo file: "Gitmo Detainees Serve Time By Playing Games, Talking to Family on Skype, Taking Classes," by Mike Levine for FoxNews.com, July 13 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):
President Obama has not fulfilled his pledge to close the detainee prison at Guantanamo Bay, but he has brought Skype, Playstation3 and "life skills" classes to the detainees at the island facility.While the 181 men being held in the prison wait to learn their fates after the administration fell through on its January 2010 deadline to move them out, 90 percent now live in a communal environment that includes Skype, the online video chat service, and access to a 17,000-book library.
That's up from 40 percent of detainees a year ago.
The "Twilight" series, a hit among so-called "tweens," is also popular with detainees, the camp's "librarian" said. [...]
But, McManus said, the Skype sessions are monitored "so they won't give away force protection information."
"Obviously we don't want them to say, 'I'm here at this camp. There's this many people here, and this is where the guards are,'" he said....
How reassuring!
"Skype, Playstation3 and "life skills" classes to the detainees at the island facility."
Let me take a shot at this one.
Skype: To keep in touch with all those buddies you lost touch with because you couldn't attend the terrorist training camp reunion for the class of 2001.
Playstation 3: Because you just can't get enough of Call of Duty!
"Life Skills":Hmmmmmmmmm.....this one is priceless....could go on and on.....
And to think the taxpayer will have to pick up the tab.
-Ayo Gorkhali
Why not just shower them with praise and get it over with...And a fine bunch of terrorist they are...Don't forget the bingo games and ice cream and cake socials...
I can't imagine why you would give a bunch of accused terrorists a foosball table. Offhand, I see 8 metal bars per table that could function as clubs or be sharpened into spears. Now we have 8 armed terrorists vs empty-handed guards. The table legs may also be removable, so now we have 12 armed terrorists. Multiply that by the number of foosball tables.....
Playstation 3....wires can be used to garrot people. The box might also be able to be re-wired so as to administer a lethal shock. After all, at least some of those people are used to wiring up bombs. In a communal setting, it would be easy to stage a suitable distraction to set that up. The discs they play can also be sharpened and do a remarkable amount of damage. EMTs have a nickname for discs like that due to the amount of damage they can cause flying around in a car wreck. "Little Frisbees Of Death."
Skype, eh? Well, cheaper than conventional telephone, I suppose, and probably legal to intercept and monitor under US law without a warrant. Still, I hope they are limited in the duration and number of calls they can make, just as US inmates awaiting trial are.
Library books are fine, as long as they are screened for suitability.
Life skills classes? Puhleeeeese! I think I'd rather be waterboarded!
"Twilight series..."
A mistake.
Show them "Our Show of Shows" with Sid Caesar, Carl Reiner, Howard Morris, Imogene Coca. Show them "The Honeymooners" with Jackie Gleason, Art Carney, Audrey Meadows. Show them "The Dick Van Dyke Show" and "Mary Tyler Moore." Let them try to figure out American humor; "there is no fun in Islam" said Khomeini. It may do them some good. The "Twilight series" with wherewolves and vampires is simply more of the world they inhabit. They have quite enough of that. And no "Light Of The Living Dead" movies -- we in the West now have that Zombie problem, and don't want to give the real-life Zombies any more ideas.
Obama is playing "The Perfect Man" just like his Master.
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2010/07/perfect-man.html
Bloody hell—*I* don't have Skype or Playstation 3, and I had a slow dial-up internet connection until just a couple of months ago. And we are certainly not poor—there are Americans who are really struggling to put food on the table and educate their kids that are paying for this idiocy.
I would find this galling if Gitmo detainees were just petty criminals. That they are Jihad terrorists who are plotting our deaths and the destruction of our entire way of life makes this *just insane*.
Hugh, I used to love those shows when I was a kid. How about 'I Dream Of Jeannie' - she was from Baghdad. Or the 'Ugliest Girl In Town' - about a guy who resorts to cross dressing to get what he wants. And there is 'The Partridge Family', who's theme song exhorts one to "come on, get happy!" Don't forget Chuck Connors in 'The Rifleman', or the good, old Beav in 'Leave It To Beaver'. But if you really want their heads to explode, show 'em 'Rosanne', the mouthy, overbearing kaffir wife.
Could it be any more torturous than having to endure life skill classes?
Obama is a traitor. Impeach him!
Saw the comment regarding the popularity of the "Twilight" series, and couldn't resist adding this one to the discussion.
http://www.theonion.com/video/alqaeda-calls-off-attack-on-nations-capitol-to-spa,17688/
(Once again, I'm bemused that The Onion probably is indeed America's finest news source.....)
Many loyal, hardworking Americans don't have Skype & Playstation 3 because they can't afford them, so one might ask themselves why terrorists & enemies of the USA are given these perks free of charge by the government of the USA.
Twilight? Show them the episode where Bill Shatner sees a gremlin while riding on an airplane. Or maybe the one where a woman keeps encountering the same hitch-hiker as she drives down US Route 11.
"Many loyal, hardworking Americans don't have Skype & Playstation 3 because they can't afford them, so one might ask themselves why terrorists & enemies of the USA are given these perks free of charge by the government of the USA."
One would suppose that were these people all "Jihad terrorists," your great country would have tried and convicted them by now.
OK, we'll arrest you and hold you for several years without formal arraignment or trial in a prison on the other side of the planet from your family. But we'll give you a Playstation. Good deal eh?
OK, we'll arrest you and hold you for several years without formal arraignment or trial in a prison on the other side of the planet from your family. But we'll give you a Playstation. Good deal eh?
And while we are at it, we will forget all about what got you in here in the first place...Lets see, what were you arrested for? I forget, but I know it was serious...
Would you like a third helping of ice cream?
"OK, we'll arrest you and hold you for several years without formal arraignment or trial in a prison on the other side of the planet from your family. But we'll give you a Playstation. Good deal eh?"
Sure, why not? IF we're caught, fighting, in a foreign country for a global terrorist organization.
All of the prisoners in gitmo, the Uighars, the Brits, the Somalis, the Yemenis, the Saudis, the Pakis etc., etc. were all innocent tourists who innocently stumbled upon a war zone. They were all, at the same time, in Afghanistan for a holiday.
Tell me, mohammadan, is it true that if you tell a lie often enough even you believe it?
Why put them on trial? They are jihadists and a trial risks some loony liberal judge letting them go.
"...Lets see, what were you arrested for?"
Do I really need to educate an American on the meaning of the phrase "Habeas Corpus?" It's the bedrock foundation of your law.
Also, in America, one is innocent until proven guilty; being arrested is not indicitive of guilt.
"IF we're caught, fighting, in a foreign country for a global terrorist organization."
They were caught fighting? Put them on trial.
"They are jihadists and a trial risks some loony liberal judge letting them go. "
You've got some cleaning up to do in your own house. At any rate if your movement can't even purge your very own judiciary, I question your effectiveness.
"Tell me, mohammadan, is it true that if you tell a lie often enough even you believe it?"
I'm not a Mohammadan, I'm a Muslim. You know that term is deliberately offensive, right?
I hate murderous Muslims just as much as you, and probably more. They hate us even more than they hate you and kill more of us than they kill you. In my country in particular, every mother worries sick that her son might be swept up in their recruitment.
In fact, I read this blog to keep tabs on the bastards, just as you do.
But for all these qualifications, still I expect nothing more than to be called a dog-fucker. Go for it.
How about Cheers? How would they react?
One who follows Stalin is a Stalinist. One who follows Mao is a Maoist.
You follow your dead-and-buried warlord, 'Mohammed'. You regard him as the 'perfect man' and an 'excellent pattern of conduct'...rapes, mass-murders, assassinations, caravan robberies and all. You're a Mohammedan, a Mohammedan, a Mohammedan.
I guess, to bring out the parallel with 'Maoists' and 'Marxists' we could refer to Muslims as 'Mohammedists" rather than 'Mohammedans'.
It would be easier and more effective to simply provide them with a couple of cable porn channels. Just be sure to include one featuring sex with animals; that's always a big favorite in Moslem countries. Heck, we could even make money by providing them with a few sheep and donkeys, and filming them while they have at it, and then sell the films and DVD's throughout the Moslem world. The only drawback is that once word got out among the jihadists that by surrendering they'd go to Gitmo and get all they wanted to eat and all the animal-sex they could stand, they'd be surrendering in droves. We'd have to rent more land from Castro to hold them all -- like maybe half the island.
The plight of the jihadis is indeed a terrible one. The Americans might just get into one of their "teaching moment" moods and oppress them with vocational training and degree courses.
I will wager Ghalid Shalit was never treated with such respect and courtesies...
I certainly did not vote for Obama.
What idiot did?
Sorry to offend if any idiots posting here did.
Yusef, YK (does YK mean you're in Syria?)
You keep inviting us to insult you and giving us tips on your favorite epithets! You come-off like a first-class masochist!
You keep telling us we have this "cleaning up" to do in our own house. How about answering my question from the other thread: If our "house" is so dirty, then why are all these muslims moving here (unfortunately) in droves? Well, why then, Yusef?
As for Guantanamo Bay, if Obama announced its shut-down tomorrow, the "prisoners" would riot!
In any muslim hellhole they'd all have been a head shorter long ago. We're paying for their vacation! That's a real knee-slapper, eh Yusef?
And since JW is so helpful to you, don't you think a donation would be appropriate? It seems the least a dog-banging, pork-eating maohammedan could do for the cause, yes?
I think they should be tortured. They should be denied TV and silly games but given books of Western literature; books like Dostoevsky's "Crime and Punishment" and others with a Christian message of redemption. And history books with a Western persective (as they say). They should be put in rooms with Western art, and hear the music of Western composers. They should be fed plain Western food, the kind we used to eat before we were graced with multiculturalism and its fattening delicacies.
They should be allowed none of the things of the West which they adore, like recent technological items of fun, but plenty of the things they might like to destroy, or will not prevent others of their ilk from destroying.
A few books by Ibn Warraq and Robert Spencer would be good if left around - something to get them thinking - but now I am really dreaming!
"But, McManus said, the Skype sessions are monitored "so they won't give away force protection information."'
Monitored? They sure as hell aren't speaking English. Lets hope there aren't any sympatheic Arab interpreters providing the translations to these "monitored" sessions.
@ Yusef YK
Habeus Corpus doesn't apply to "Enemy Combatants", those classified as such at Guantanamo. Wrong place wrong time? Yes. Are some Guilty? Yes. In light of this, the United States ruled that prisoners can contest their "Enemy Combatant" status in Military Tribunals. Lawyers certainly jumped on this and began defending the prisoners. Whether you agree with this decision or not, it certainly shows the beauty of our justice system: we give all criminals--no matter what the crime--a right to appeal. On the contrary--after much litigation--I believe it was ruled that the US can hold such "enemy combatants" at the military's discretion.
Seems to me they had their trials and many chances to contest their status.
I guess I'll chime in on the literature they should be reading. I think one of Hugh's essays would do the trick. I almost feel like I have to catch my breath and breath after one of those loonnngggg--but brilliant--sentences. Seriously, you read two sentences and you're halfway done with the essay!
Next up, strip bar with beautiful hori like girls to entertain the detainees. Also included on certain days, pearl like young guys to please the other detainees who are so inclined.
You can never do enough for these special guests of the Bama. Hell if you can't close gitmo why not make it a special jihadi Disney world for the detainess ... I mean special guests.
I'm not a Mohammadan, I'm a Muslim. You know that term is deliberately offensive, right?
Yes it is offensive ...sort of like najis kuffar, or kufr as I likes to call Mohammadans, Mahoundians...
Quran 98:6 (the worst of creatures) declares what Allah thought about kufr...Do you think differently than Allah?
Allah also wrote that Mahoundians should fight kufr until all the world worships him...Q 8:39...
Do you agree with Allah on that?
Allah also said to kill the infidels wherever you find them...Q 9:5, How about that? Do you agree with Allah?...
Qur'an:47:4 "So, when you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle (fighting Jihad in Allah's Cause), smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making (them) captives...'
Do you agree with Allah?
Qur'an:9:111 "Allah has purchased the believers, their lives and their goods. For them (in return) is the Garden (of Paradise). They fight in Allah's Cause, and they slay and are slain; they kill and are killed."
Do you believe that?
Bukhari:V1B2N25 "Allah's Apostle was asked, 'What is the best deed?' He replied, 'To believe in Allah and His Apostle Muhammad.' The questioner then asked, 'What is the next best in goodness?' He replied, 'To participate in Jihad, religious fighting in Allah's Cause.'"
Would you agree with Mahound about that?
Bukhari:V4B52N50 "The Prophet said, 'A single endeavor of fighting in Allah's Cause is better than the world and whatever is in it.'"
Do you agree with Mahound about that?
The Mahoundians you are complaining about do believe all the above and a lot more...that's these guys:
'I hate murderous Muslims just as much as you, and probably more. They hate us even more than they hate you and kill more of us than they kill you'.
You need to seek these Mahoundians out and explain to them how they got it wrong...They are totally misunderstanding Islam...Or you are...
Excuse me? Gitmo has been transformed into the University of Illinois-Gitmo and we have Delta Chi chapter down there?
Toga, toga, toga? Whay's next beer bongs and randy co-eds?
It's freakin' prison for militants who generally fought to kill OUR GUYS!
More idiotic "social justice" for miscreants. I say chum the Bay waters and let 'em learn to swim.
Thanks to all the Muslims chiming in with all the inane comments.
If refering to 7th Century "time capsules" as "Mohammedeans" or "Mohamudians" er, "gets your goat" as we say out in West Texas, hey - tough crap.
Please further enlighten us on how to aggravate you backwards bastards. Now, I know the Koran sanctions wife beating, but don't MY post out on the chattle. Relax, Mohammudean, or Hadji, whatever.
How can you guys as fellow Americans not feel it's wrong to hold these men there without a trail? The point of a trail is to prove guilt or innocence, and it justifies the punishment.
But for us to just take the word our military and government is really un-American. We have a judicial process and even the worst of suspects deserve the right to a trial. If these guys are guilty the evidence will show it.
But until Obama actually man's up and promises to end what's happening at Gitmo, I feel something very wrong is happening there. Even is only one of the inmates at Gitmo is innocent its existence is a failure and immoral.
Channe sez:
"We have a judicial process and even the worst of suspects deserve the right to a trial. If these guys are guilty the evidence will show it"
Muslims have a judicial process and when it comes to a court matter, the Christians get a rigged trial, a biased jury and will always come out as losers...Even if the Christians provide overwhelming evidence of wrong doing by the perputrators, usually Muslim, they loose...then they get to go home and await the next attack by Muslims upon them , their family, and their propery.....often the next attack results in their deaths which means they don't have to return to the court to complain...In a Muslim trial in which Muslims are the defendents and Christians the plaintiffs, the suspects are treated as heroes....much in the way Channe considers the Gitmo detainees...
it is the usual tactic for Muslims to continue to play the victim card....it is a fact...
Hey guys, Channe wants us all to think he's a "fellow American". LOL
Channe, buddy, when pretending to be one of us you've got to get the lingo down. It's not a "trail" but a "trial". See we can spot you a mile away if you type the word twice and don't fix your mistake. And your missing a couple of "if's" and "of's". Just FYI.
Yusef YK, for the sake of common decency and goodwill to all mankind, would you mind clarifying the distinction between 'muhammedan' and 'muslim'?
Torture them.
Supply the following for in-cell entertainment.
Put a TV in their cells (behind a security screen, so they can't trash it). They get to turn it on and off.
If they turn it on, they get: Fr Zakaria Botros with a cheerful smile and twinkling eyes, and his merry band of apostates, taking Islam meticulously to pieces. Our imprisoned jihadis can turn it off anytime they like; but there's no alternative program. Just mind-numbing boredom.
Their choice.
Oh, I suppose for variation the in-house programming would sometimes pop in, say, a selection of choice video presentations by the formidable Ms Wafa Sultan, and other apostates from Islam, explaining 'why I left, what's wrong with Islam, and what I'm doing now and how much fun I'm having as a free human being'.
So I'm not American because of typing and grammar errors ? In other words you can't actually argue your point reasonably so you have to start name calling . Well done on the epic fail .....