A civilized, stable society requires anger management, not to mention a well considered set of priorities. The sense of entitlement to rule, and to retaliate against the slightest insults, and the imperative to wage jihad to achieve and maintain dominance promote neither quality. Lacking those, one finds scenes like this. "Hindus hounded into cattle pen in Karachi," from Asian News International, July 9 (thanks to GS):
In an incident which showcases the brutal hatred with which Hindus are seen in Pakistan, at least 60 members of the minority community, including women and children, were forced to abandon their house in Karachi's Memon Goth area just because a Hindu boy drank water from a cooler outside a mosque.
Local tribesman, who hold a good clout in the area, thrashed several Hindus forcing them to run away and take shelter in a near by cattle pen, The News reports. "All hell broke loose when my son, Dinesh, who looked after chickens in a farm, drank water from a cooler outside a mosque. Upon seeing him do that, the people of the area started beating him up," said Meerumal, a resident of the area. "Later, around 150 tribesmen attacked us, injuring seven of our people, who were taken to the Jinnah Hospital," he added.
One of the injured, Heera, said that another 400 families of the area were also being threatened to leave their households and settle elsewhere. "Our people are even scared of going out of their houses. We are also putting up with living in the filthy pen because we cannot go home for fear of being killed," Heera said.
Police officials are aware about the incident, but they have failed to take any steps to stop the atrocities being meted out to the minority community "A trivial incident led to riots between the people of the area. Since both the communities happened to be illiterate, the matter just flared up," said Memon Goth Station House Officer.
Illiteracy: sure that explains everything. If there had just been proper signage on the water cooler -- say, "No Dhimmis" -- and people who could read it, all would be well.
Meanwhile, Minority Affairs Minister Dr Mohan Lal has assured Hindus of full government protection. "I have directed the DPO and the SHO to ensure that these people go back to their houses safely," Lal said.
"Muslims only" water fountains?
Do the dhimmis get to ride on the same buses??
What a primitive hell hole Pakistan is turning into.
A civilized, stable society requires anger management, not to mention a well considered set of priorities.
But we can't expect civilized behavior from mahoundians, can we?
How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog...
If the left-wing protectors of 'minorities' weren't out looking for victims in America, they would be on MSNBC lamenting the 'bigotry' and 'racism' that are endemic in the islamic hellhole of Pakistan and every other islamic hellhole on earth. They consider anyone who criticizes Obama a racist and anyone who criticizes islam a bigot, racist, islamophobe, and 'hater'. But since they believe that only Americans are guilty of these horrendous offenses, they don't bother their empty little heads with the real atrocities that occur in islamic hellholes.
Memo to the U.N. and its masters, the O.I.C.: Pakistan is guilty of severe human rights violations against minority Hindus. If the muslims in India were subjected to the horrendous persecution and torment the Hindus and Christians of Pakistan suffer at the hands of filthy muslims, the 'international community' would rise to the occasion so why is this tolerated, you disgusting hypocrites? Banning ridiculous and dangerous face coverings for muslimas in Europe is a 'human rights' violation but this is not?
As for a well considered set of priorities, it just occurred to me that the next part of Sir Winston Churchill's quote, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy, just about explains everything about where mahoundians get their priorities from...
I suppose anyone asking a mahoundian what their priorities in life are might get an answer along the lines of "Priorities? Insh'allah."
"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog..."
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And Winston Churchill continued his description:
"Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property - either as a child, a wife, or a concubine - must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men."
Churchill had Islam's number, just like he had National Socialism's number.
Jihad in South Asia - a speech:
http://www.moorthymuthuswamy.com/page2.html
If I were a practical man with a personal stake in the lives of the Hindus involved in this situation, or an anyone in any situation like this, I'd do something practical, even if it's unfair and makespeople think badly of me. I'm not practical and don't have any stake in this story or those like it so this is just me talking, so to say:
I would look at those I can't directly get at to punish to the point they'd stop their evil behaviour, and I would find those who live with them, in the larger sense of community-- even world-wide-- and I would go to those akin in far away places and punish them instead. I would tell them, "I'm punishing you for something your own have done, knowing you personally have not done so. I do not care that you haven't done direct harm. Nor will I stop from punishing others akin to you if the abuse of mine continues. I will be outrageous in my punishments of you and yours so long as your own harm mine. I don't care if I can't get to those in person; I'll settle for you and yours here and now, and I will be Hell on Earth. The only way I will stop is if those I can't reach stop harming mine. You tell them to stop, because I can't reach them, and they probably won't listen to me anyway. If you want the punishment to stop, you stop them."
I could get excited about this and write intemperate things, but I think I put it so many times in slight variations that even commentators at American Thinker can figure it out. No, commentators here are mostly very bright. The problem, if I can call it such, is that few if any here are vicious. It's not a bad thing to be a decent person, so I've heard from them what knows. But it's why we're not doing as well as we might in this struggle: you're decent folks. I've been here for years, I know people here, and they are good and decent folks. I shake my head in despair.
I thought this story sounded oddly familiar. Replace a few words and you get:
In an incident which showcases the brutal hatred with which Blacks are seen in the South, at least 60 members of the minority community, including women and children, were forced to abandon their house ... just because a black boy drank water from a cooler marked "whites only".
The media would be rightly outraged,but cases like this is hardly mentioned. This and other examples SHOULD be brought up EVERY time the "Palestinian" Arabs accuse Israel of Apartheid and EVERZY time western Muslims accuse western countries of prejudice against Islam. But of course, they don't.
I admit most here know this, but I had to get that rant off my chest. :P
Kudos to 'Asian News International' for publishing this story and others like it. Without ANI and a few, select, Christian news agencies, there would be no recorded history of the continual atrocities perpetrated against non-Muslims in Muslim countries. The MSM is certainly uninterested in such stories.
Not vicious sonofwalker? Well screw you! Why don't you take that intellectual attitude of yours and ram it. Yes ram it where the sun don't set in a muddy puddle, if you catch my Qur'anically inspired drift!
We're not raving ranting demagogues, that's the problem?
Cripes, I'd go on and on about how vile that is and about how you got it just about exactly right, but...well, I'm just too nice of a person to get nasty. LOL!
Joking aside, I've said before this fight won't have even begun and there will be blood on the streets. Any thinker who believes that this civilizational war will be, or can be, fought or won with words or logical arguments has another think coming. The adherants to the idea of a peaceful conclusion are just postponing the inevitable struggle that is going to be forced on us all by Allah-crazed Mohammadans.
However, the fact that we won't draw first blood does not make us weak, or pacifistic. We shoulder our arms while they continually cut our flesh, but that can only last so long. One day in the future, their blade is going to strike a nerve too painful to tolerate, and then all bets will be off.
Right now, it's hard to imagine a world in which this ideology is considered anathema by the majority of infidels, and I wonder what it will take to change it to that, but I've no doubt that humanity will, at some point, reach the end of patience and words with this foe.
Then it will be war.
Pakistan is a hellhole for the minorities, (and not a lot better if you are a woman), this should have been apparent to Reagan and the Bushes. Yet the Americans continue to send billions of dollars to Pakistan, money that ends up largely in the hands of the Islamist or landowinig elite, who then use it to send their jihadis into India and Afghanistan. The same money is used to finance the education of the ungrateful scions of well connected families in the US and Europe. Few of whom harbour any goodwill towards Westerners.
Eleanore, you single?
Hey, what happened there? I meant to quote Shakespeare.
Ulysses:
And 'tis this fever that keeps Troy on foot,
Not her own sinews. To end a tale of length,
Troy in our weakness stands, not in her strength.
William Shakespeare, Troilus and Cressida.
Act 1, Scene 3, L. 133-35
Hindus are also guilty of the occasional 'fanatical frenzy', with Moslems or low caste people as victims, this type of lethal intolerance is not exclusive to Moslems. Some Hindu nationalist politicians are as scary as any mad mullah.
mac i do agree that a handful of hindu extremists do exist as in other religions . I am an hindu and i can proudly say most of the hindus are very secular to the extent that they go to churches mosques with desperate faith that something good might happen if they pray. atleast some god might hear them thats what they think. infact even this handful extremists are produced by the bigotry of some indian muslims who directly or indirectly support pakistan just becos they belong to the same religion. unlike what others think minorities are very much protected in india except may b in gujarat whihc is just a tiny state.
Spencer is in a pantheon side by side with Thomas Sowell and numerous other good men, and we have such men in our culture because our culture makes room for them to rise to the heights of their chosen fields. In other systems, some, men such as Spencer and Sowell are imprisoned or killed as the natural course of things. Many countries I've been in are hell-holes where good men and women have little hope of living rightly, sometimes little hope of surviving day to day. It takes other men to free those men from such cultures and states. It sometimes takes seriously bad people to wreck a seriously bad place, thereby freeing good people to fulfil their goodness for us all. Everyone wins, even the evil people who are destroyed, they no longer living to continue their evils.
Mac points of that some Hindu groups, and I'd nominate the RSS, are oft times seriously bad. They seem to verge into "Esoteric Hitlerism." They kill random Christians. I'll say this: that's evil.
Sowell tells me, and tells us all, to accept trade-offs rather than demand solutions. At what point, one might ask, have we crossed the line into compromise that makes us as evil as our enemies? I say this: Who gives a shit? We lose a lot in any fight, and if some lose their very souls, that's part of what one loses in a fight. People lose limbs, they lose their lives, they lose their minds. That's the way it is. And some lose their souls. This struggle, it's not for free. Some have to pay so others don't have to. That most people won't like it is the point. Why would we risk so much for people who hate and don't care?
I agree wholeheartedly with sonofwalker's comments.
The only way the koranimals will learn is when they are paid back with the same coin. The Paki animals are a minority in many places in the world.
Mac [Hindus are also guilty of the occasional 'fanatical frenzy'...]
This is inane - I'm assuming that every-time, Muslims persecute Christians or Jews, you make the same comment, about Christians/Jews also being guilty.
I will desist from giving examples of sectarian mass-murder, committed by your favorite religious group (whatever that may be) - 'cos that would defeat the purpose of this forum.
The purpose of this forum is to build a shared bulwark against a common threat - lets not allow individual bigotry to undermine that.
I understand the point you're making and I'm certainly not defending Islam,which, as an ideology, is indefensible, and as far as I understand, Hinduism is intrinsically tolerant. However I don't see how Hindu extremism is entirely the product of India-Pakistan tensions,unscrupulous politicians will use religious prejudice for their own purposes.
Sonowalker has mentioned dangerous Hindu extremist organizations and I could add that Hindu-Islamic tensions occurred during the British Raj.
I'll agree Islam is a totalitarian ideology and that most Moslem majority nations have appalling human rights records,but religious bigotry is not confined to Moslems. I'm not religious, so I tend to view the situation from an outsider's perspective.
mac india is a vast country and in a state of 1 billion plus u will always find a few thousand hindu thugs whose ideas which are as extreme as those of islamic jihadists . my point is that this miniscule minority exists in all the religions. infact i'd say in india caste intolerance is a bigger issue than religious intolerance. this is a big shame becos indians in general hindus in particular are mostly pacifists with the most optimistic attitude towards life
hindus historically has been abused by mughal muslims for over 800 yrs and the current right wing hindu parties quote the history for their own benefits .inspite of the obvious proof many hindus have learnt to forget the past and live the present. even the ram temple has ceased to be an issue now and the people of all religions look for good governance than anything else
Refer to my reply to venkat. You appear to have lost perspective, rather like many other commenters on this site. Why are we alarmed about Islamization? Because it's a threat to our liberties, however it's not the only one, is it? Remember dissent is part of the Western liberal tradition, I'd recommend that you read JS Mills 'On liberty'. Those 'anti-jihadis' whose hatred of Moslems is the prime motivation for resistance to Islamization are enemies of democracy as they share the same intolerant attitudes as the Islamic theocrats.
You and others can continue to congratulate each other on your 'brilliant' insights and mutually agree, secure in your collective ignorance-or you can think. If you can't develop a coherent counter-argument,don't make abusive comments.
Strawman >> You appear to have lost perspective, rather like many other commenters on this site.
Gratuitous Advice && strawman bashing >> I'd recommend that you read JS Mills 'On liberty'. Those 'anti-jihadis' whose hatred of Moslems is the prime motivation for resistance to Islamization are enemies of democracy as they share the same intolerant attitudes as the Islamic theocrats.
Whopee - declare victory >>> You and others can continue to congratulate each other on your 'brilliant' insights and mutually agree, secure in your collective ignorance-or you can think.
But, please let me not stop you from educating the rest of us on "western liberal traditions" - you seem to be so aware.
Oh my, that haram/halal thing again.
I stumbled across a halal guide put up on the net for muslims in Denmark. Apparently a drop of sweat of an unbeliever is sufficient to taint the meat of an animal be it ever so much slaughtered according to islamic rules: it has become sullied, unclean, inedible. The only safe method to maintain cleanliness is to ensure the whole process is under close scrutiny and performed by muslims. And again we have the state within a state, a society within a society and the uncleanliness of unbelievers kept at a distance.
I wonder what the reactions would be if I demanded MY food be untouched by muslim hands, at the very least that no muslim mumbo jumbo shall be said to the chicken I intend to eat? Hummmmm ...I know only too well what the reactions would be like.
For fun I some years ago actually took the trouble of sending a mail to the Consumer Contact address of a chicken producer in Denmark, whether they could guarantee the chickens NOT marked halal actually were haram. I sent two mails, they didn´t bother to send any answer and I did not think that very polite nor consumer-friendly :-(
venkat,
I don't want to give the wrong impression, I think that India's democratic system is a remarkable achievement, given the country's enormous size and diversity. Nobody's perfect.
What you call "Hindu extremism" is almost surely fueled by centuries of oppression and genocide from Muslims against Hindus. Recall that resistance to Islamic hegemony is interpreted by Muslims as aggression against Islam and then becomes a source of circular reasoning leading to moral equivalence: we must fight you because you are fighting (back) against us.
Also, as noted, Hinduism is intrinsically tolerant, unlike Islam which is intrinsically aggressive, supremely supremacist and judgmental. So if you have "Hindus" acting in a non-tolerant, judgmental and violent way, they are not "Hindu extremists" rather they are Hindu renegades, by virtue of acting in a non- or even anti-Hindu manner, even if doing so "in the name of" Hinduism and for easily understandable reasons. Muslim apologists have made careers out of blaming Christianity for the anti-Christian acts of some "Christians" and the same tactic is used against Hindus as well.
couldnt agree with u more
mac thanks ofcourse we indians have other probs . we are probabaly the most greedy corrupt and indiscipline people in this world. our foriegn policy too has been messed up for too long. we r just too scared of taking sides and act pseudo righteous and hypocritical but i do think west has began to understand us more now than back in the coldwar era where every nato country was so blatantly pro pakistan
... just because a black boy drank water from a cooler marked "whites only".
It admittedly took almost three centuries for Westerners to "get it right".
It's been 1350+ years for Islam. Did a goat eat the memo?
"...at least 60 members of the minority community, including women and children, were forced to abandon their house in Karachi's Memon Goth area just because a Hindu boy drank water from a cooler outside a mosque."
Water is the essence of life....and Islam as usual wants to remove it and life from those who will not bow to their demonic ways...
Mac said:
"Those 'anti-jihadis' whose hatred of Moslems is the prime motivation for resistance to Islamization are enemies of democracy as they share the same intolerant attitudes as the Islamic theocrats."
This claim of yours has to be sorted out, I feel. Hatred of Muslims can be a product, not a starting point. A product of knowledge, even experience of what a big part of the Muslims think, do or don't think/ do, as a result of their Islamic upbringing.
Moreover. because of undue and stupid focus on emotions and tone instead of content, hate can be confused with genuine Accountable-Holding of Muslims for their choices and allegiances, Criticism on intentions and deeds by Muslims. And exposure of these and protest against these. These reactions are very probably caused as a reaction to well-researched and monitored Islamic teachings and connected intentions and acts by Muslims. At big variance in part with parts of the Constitutions, values and interests of secular democracies. A characteristic you don't find among Buddhists and as a consequence we don't see much Buddhismophobia too!
How can it be, according to you, that those who want to protect those constitutions, values, interests of secular democracies are just as intolerent, anti-democratic as a part of the Muslims so clearly are?
Has any anti-jihadist so far proposed martial law, dictatorship, or even any anti-democratic measures? And don;t mention intolerance to now amply known anti-tolerant ideologies and people who endeavor to destroy and block real tolerance, because that is only logical self-defence, as opposed to ignorant or stupid suicidal behavior in being tolerant unto death.
Don't hamper, stab in the back the defenders of democracy and freedom please.
Absolutely Demsci, our growing intolerance is undoubtedly secondary to the provocation, both mentally and physically. And this stir is again bringing to the forefront the importance of spirituality and is clarion-call to take a fîrm grip of the rock of true eschatology and guard it's garden with unerring vigilance.
Apos, that would have read better with 'mental and physical'.
Re. Islam's depredations on three continents.
http://97.74.65.51/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=297
Andrew Bostom's "Legacy of Jihad" contains a great deal of harrowing information.
Anglophone Africans and Indians can also read Fregosi's 'Jihad in the West' and Serge Trifkovic's 'The Sword of the Prophet'. This will give them some sense of what Europeans targeted by jihad and/ or subjected to Muslim rule, endured. Then there is Giles Milton's 'White Gold', which speaks of the thousands of Europeans who were seized and enslaved by the Muslims of North Africa: the women used in the harems, the men worked to death in the galleys or as labourers. There is, too, this online book - a digitised version of a classic, George Horton's "The Blight of Asia", which focuses on the Muslim destruction of the Christian city of Smyrna in 1922.
http://www.hri.org/docs/Horton/HortonBook.htm
Indian readers familiar with the horrible tale of Muslim atrocities in India from the 8th to the 18th century - and during Partition - will find much that is dreadfully familiar in Horton's book. And Indian non-Muslims who know their own stories of the heroic resistance of Hindus and Sikhs, may find the Western counterpart of those stories in, for example, the story of the Knights of St John of Malta:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=466818&in_page_id=1770
'History's bloodiest siege used human heads as cannonballs'
By JAMES JACKSON.
(hope the link still works)
Indians and Europeans need to know about the appalling cost of Muslim enslavement of black Africans, which cost millions and millions of lives. Nine out of every ten black boys castrated (by the slashing off of all external genitalia) by Muslim slavers, died pretty much at once. The survivors became the black slaves in the harems...where they could be found, in Istanbul for example, as late as the 1920s. If one can read French, there is Tidiane N'diaye's 'Le Genocide Voile', 'The Veiled Genocide', which talks about the devastating impact of 1200 years of Muslim invasion, pillage, rape, mass enslavement and mass murder in Africa. But the life story of Saint Josephina Bakhita, of the Sudan (1860s-1947) sums up, in many ways, the African experience.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephine_Bakhita
http://www.vatican.va/news_services/liturgy/saints/ns_lit_doc_20001001_giuseppina-bakhita_en.html
There is many an African girl and boy, too, from the Sudan today who has been subjected. like Josephina was, to the cruelty of Muslim kidnappers and slavers and rapists.
Then, there is India: the 'Wounded Civilisation', as V S Naipaul called it.
On 9th September 2001, Mr Naipaul was interviewed on Australian radio: he spoke about India, and about the impact of Islam on India...and about sharia creep in the West.
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/spiritofthings/stories/2001/361036.htm
I commend to all non-Muslims here who haven't yet read them, especially anyone who is not from India, two books by K S Lal:
Muslim Slave System in Medieval India
http://voiceofdharma.org/books/mssmi/
and
The Legacy of Muslim Rule in India
http://www.voiceofdharma.com/books/tlmr/index.htm
They tell a story that wrenches the mind and the heart.
Muslims - the a**holes of the world, courtesy Islam.
"All hell broke loose when my son, Dinesh, who looked after chickens in a farm, drank water from a cooler outside a mosque. Upon seeing him do that, the people of the area started beating him up," said Meerumal, a resident of the area. "Later, around 150 tribesmen attacked us...
Sounds a lot like the behavior of white blood cells attacking an infectious invader...It's hard to get anymore basic/primitive than that...We see this a lot in the ummah, where everything not Islam is ganged up on and attacked...death or removal of the infection (various types of kufr), is the goal...This covers a lot of territory, from jihad against crusaders, to other religions, to apostates, honor killings, making mischief in the land and warring with Allah in general, which is all kufr does...Kufr is an infection, a blight upon Allah...It is the duty and obligation of the white blood cells to fight the infectious kufr, najis to the core, (Quran 98:6), until the body of Allah is made whole (Quran 8:39), by conversion or elimination...In a strange way, jihadi's are an antibiotic...The very existence of this antibiotic is proof that Allah is sick...But we already knew that didn't we...
Many thanks for the description of Smyrna and its destruction. Where I live is a sister city of Smyrna (*blush*) and I have been looking for more documentation and eye witnesses.
My first attempt to make it register that Smyrna is perhaps not the most suitable of places for signaling tolerance and friendship met with little success. My city has accepted that "the decisive battle took place in Smyrna" (not mentioning any massacre) and anyways the Greeks were asking for it by having invaded the area (not mentioning that the area WAS largely Greek and always had been Greek) and the Greeks were only "exiled". Oh well, winner takes all including the true story of events.
Islamic dualism and islamic apartheid commands it: halal - haram. Allowed, vorbidden. Pure - dirty. Whoever doesn`t obey - kill him. Whoever doesn't believe - apostate, kill him. The merciful samaritian was and is never possible in Islam. It's always "Mohammedans only".
Another incident about filthy (najis) people drinking pure islamic water:
A Christian man is recovering from a beating that left him with a broken collarbone and dislocated shoulder after he drank water from a glass reserved for the poor at a construction site in Pakistan.
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51859
I don't hate Muslims, I hate Islam.
Jihad in South Asia - a speech (YouTube video)
Hmm, the "Moslem Reservation" under consideration in India sounds kinda like the Federal Racism Regime that's been in force right here in America for 45 years now:
In case you're not aware, it's called Affirmative Action. The new racism. The hip, cool racism. La belle racisme.
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Apparently this dude Ranganath Mishra suffers from all those years studying physics, where factual reality must always be accounted for.
Welcome to the Islam Fictive Reality, Ranganath. And good luck trying to fight your way out of its clutches with this factual reality thing you're pushing.
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Speaking of Moslem Reservations, how's it working out for the central government with all that land they ceded to angry threatening heavily armed murdering Moslems in southern Phillipines?
I don't hate Muslims, I hate Islam.
Without Moslems, there is no Islam.
*** Tabari 8:141 ***
Except in those dingy, poorly written, incomprehesible texts they concocted.
*** 92:8 ***
Oh, and the prevailing explanation for the terror in the southern Philippines is Marxian: the "unrest" is rooted in the lack of economic justice for Moslems there. After the land was "reserved" for the angry Moslems, the killing continues.
*** Bukhari Vol 6 Bk 60 Nbr 662 ***
Mohammed said, "Some eloquent speech is as effective as magic."
I recall a fellow named Senator Obama speaking publicly about "economic justice" and how the Framers failed (i.e., by not specifying socialism in the Constitution).
But now that the Constitution is moribund, the good news is that we can proceed with the national conversion from freedom to socialism that is already well underway.
Mac isn't being intellectually honest at all nor does he care about anything except twisting peoples views around to make some bullshit point that most posters here as bad as any Jihadist or mullah.
Typical liberal agit-prop.
Be disgusted with the many Muslims willingly submit to Islam for the "privilege" it ensures, but remember those who are trapped in Islam under penalty of death and who are too weak/afraid and with no help to escape. Remember that most of the women are conditioned to the abuse and don't know anything else. Remember that victims often need help getting away from their abusers and once away need help rebuilding themselves. Remember that many are brainwashed from birth and do not realize they do not have the truth, even about Muhammad. They need us to point out the truth and reason with them as well as prosecute their actions as crimes against women and non-Muslims. That is what is behind the misguided (on our part) exhortations to "dialogue" with Muslims. It is the hope that we will be given a chance to reason with Muslims and win them over, which may be the case with those in good faith, but the rest enjoy the privilege too much. Expecting Muslims to throw out half their Quran, Hadith, and Sira is fantasy. If we made the U.S. a Sharia-free zone with zero tolerance for jihad (hate) crimes, we could offer sanctuary for those escaping oppression (i.e. Islam). Isn't that how the United States was originally set up?
It's PC in action. Media and higherups decided decades ago that only offenses committed BY whites against non-whites constituted racism.
Note how Muslims do all they can to drive non-Muslims from their neighborhoods and countries. If they ever got a taste of their own medicine we might finally have peace. Maybe India should evict all Muslims? Of course that will never happen. It would go against the belief in a global community. That will only come when Islam is wiped out or has wiped out all other faiths.
duh-swami,
Kufr is an infection, a blight upon Allah...It is the duty and obligation of the white blood cells to fight the infectious kufr, najis to the core, (Quran 98:6), until the body of Allah is made whole (Quran 8:39), by conversion or elimination...In a strange way, jihadi's are an antibiotic...The very existence of this antibiotic is proof that Allah is sick...But we already knew that didn't we...
A good metaphor: needs only one adjustment: Islam (which, pace the bleeding heart liberals above, is nothing else than the concerted beliefs, efforts and actions of Muslims) resembles an antibiotic just as does cancer (which is nothing else than the concerted action of innumerable cells), in attacking and feeding off of the healthy cells of its host. The difference being, of course, that cancer is a perverse mirror image of what healthy cells do in fighting off infection.
Too tempting to make a joke here about the relation to that goat and Mohammad, but I'll pass. Your observation is indeed right. Islam in everything lags behind the west.
I like the analogy in 1st chapter of the book "Islamic Invasion" (Robert Morey, 2001, Christian Scholars Press) of Islam being a religion of 7th century Arab culture and how it being as insane as if someone invented a religion about George Washington that focused on 18th century culture.
Its really looks like how the jews were treated under hitler and how the blacks were treated under apparteid, this is a prove that islam is truly a fascist system.
"Has any anti-jihadist so far proposed.... anti democratic measures"?
Well yes, examples are- Guantanamo 'Detention' Camp,sub contracting torture,consideration of torture as a legitimate interrogation technique,reduced protection for the rights of 'terror' suspects in many democratic nations.
I'd recommend that you read JS Mills 'On liberty'.
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The Shari'ah apologist Mac suggest *we* read "On Liberty"—that's rich...
Steffan Larsen wrote:
Where I live is a sister city of Smyrna...I have been looking for more documentation and eye witnesses.
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Steffan, have your read "Paradise Lost" by Giles Milton? An excellent book, well researched—even if he, like so many others, doesn't seem to fully grasp the role of Islam in the destruction.
He includes many eyewitness accounts, contemporary news dispatches, and original documentation.
For a history of the Armenian genocide—including the destruction of Smyrna—there is Peter Balakian's "The Burning Tigris".
Vibrant, cosmopolitan Smyrna—the wealthiest city in Turkey before it's burning by crazed Muslims—as been so eradicated that even its name has been obliterated—what is left now goes by the name of "Izmir".