Pamela Geller vs. "Muslim rapper" on Staten Island mosque

Ms. Geller, do you understand the religion in question here?

All too well, thank you very much.

"How do you think the Muslims who died in 9/11 felt?"

Muslim murderers don't care if a few Muslims die if the mission is accomplished...colaterial damages are acceptable in Islam...The families of the Muslims who died in 9/11 have made no complaint against Islam..

You the man Will Youmans.

Pam: "Five seconds ago it was not banned...now it's banned. Which one is it?"

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, Pamela!

OH...those Muslims don't have anything to with Us Muslims!>...

Pamela Geller is one of my heroes; a courageous and perceptive woman. But in a debate I think she does herself and our goal to educate people Islam a disservice.

My take on her debating style is that she would be more effective if she interrupted less and was less argumentative. The facts are overwhelmingly in our favor and by stating the facts and cutting through the Muslim apologist’s half-truths and lies in a less frenetic way would be my recommendation.

In any case my appreciation goes to Pamela for continuing to spread the message and for her continued courage and intelligence in this effort.

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Folks, I love Pamela Geller and the important work she is doing, and I agree with everything she said on this video. But I do sometimes wish she could reign in her enthusiasm just a bit. The first question goes to the "rapper", then Pamela is asked to respond. Then, when the rapper responds, Pamela interrupts him, they start talking over each other and the whole thing degenerates from there. I couldn't finish watching the video for the noise coming from both of them.

Pam should have let him finish, then proceeded to maker her point. If he had then interrupted her, she could have loudly insisted "EXCUSE ME! I let you finish, now please allow me to!" If he refused, then she would be right to keep talking. But SHE was the first to interrupt.

I'm so tired of people trying to talk over one another during point, counter-point exchanges. We see it all the time. The noise is so off-putting that it subverts the entire purpose of the exchange, which is raising the level of public awareness.

My two cents.

This guy is a rapper...

With a capital C.

Pam Geller has general telegenic charisma, and she's a woman (always a plus in PC-Land), but her command of the complexities of the issues involved seems to be often not up to snuff. Imagine a Cyrano de Bergerac scenario where Pam Geller in all her important interviews would have a hidden earpiece through which Robert Spencer is supplying or at least supplementing her script.

I think Pam deserves a break here. She just needs to work a bit on condensing and focusing her message for this sort of venue. My hat is off to her for persisting to the point where she is now a requested national spokesperson. That said she should also weigh the value of her appearances on such programs that put her against such intellectual heavyweights as rappers. Quite frankly it is insulting and, IMO, she should have declined.

My take on her debating style is that she would be more effective if she interrupted less and was less argumentative. The facts are overwhelmingly in our favor and by stating the facts and cutting through the Muslim apologist’s half-truths and lies in a less frenetic way would be my recommendation.

but her command of the complexities of the issues involved seems to be often not up to snuff.

I agree.

Pamela seems to have trouble keeping composed in these kinds of interviews. She repeats the same scripted statements on almost every television interview that she participates in, and when things go off track, she gets very combative and argumentative. She ends up looking more desperate to make her points than her opponents, and it makes our side seem weaker. I greatly prefer Robert's collected debating style.

Just my opinion.

I think you may be underestimating Pamela.

You are not doing her any favors by liking her; she is good all on her own.

One indication of that is how one wants to adjust her performance; if only she did “this“, or “that“.

Another is, that if you consider this a sort of an ambush, where they were trying to make her look bad, and get her all riled up before the cameras came on, they failed. It is hard to make her look bad. I don’t know what it is.

She came at us at a hundred miles an hour, and Pamela can do a hundred miles an hour. That’s what RT was looking for. She’s good T.V.

It was a shouting match, her natural instincts came out, we got some righteous Pamela.

She’s a fighter, she actually DOES things, she’s a New Yorker, she’s a powerhouse, she’s real, she’s glamorous without being vain, she’s on our side, she’s a star.

Everybody wants to be like Pamela. Don’t you think so? How would you like to be invited to one of her parties?

I can’t even get her attention on Facebook; she has “too many friend requests“!
LOL!

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Oh boy it's tough to watch that.

The Muzlim is smug, arrogant and a liar ("hate crimes and backlash"). There are no hate crimes and backlash, as Pam said.

Unfortunately, the comely Moderator is an airhead, and knows nothing about Islam.

Yes, Pamela grew flustered, whereas Spencer keeps his cool. Ah well, you can't blame her - can you imagine having to deal with this Muzlim jerk? Good Grief. And a "Palestine" Muzlim jerk at that. Surprised he wasn't sporting his "keffiyah" rag.

Also, she gushed "I love Mooslims" again, she should stop doing that. That's just my opinion.

She should assert how every mosque built in America is a symbol of Islamic conquest. That's how it's always been throughout Muzlim history, and that's how it still is.

And, how about quoting Hirsi Ali that Islam is NOT a religion, but a political ideology masquerading as a religion? Once people get away from the idea that this accursed evil ideology is NOT a religion, the Islamization of America will take a BIG hit.

That we even have to deal with smug arrogant Muzlims only 9 years after 9/11 is unbelievable. Political Correctness has made that happen. PC'ness will be our downfall.

A few thoughts for Pamela.

Ask, of Muslim sparing partners, direct questions concerning Islam's teachings as they pertain to the twenty-first century; both here and in Muslim countries. Use current examples, make sure the questions will pique the moderator's interest, and make sure to put the individual Muslim on the spot about THEIR personal understanding of Islam. Not about the Muslim Brotherhood and other general issues, but about ISLAM.

Ask them if the Qur'an actually tells Muslims to amputate thieves' hands and if there's anyplace on earth, today, that they believe such amputation of thieves' hands are morally acceptable to them. Example: Somalia's Al-Shabab.

Ask them if Muhammad said, "Whoever leaves his [Islamic} faith, then kill him". Example: Abdul Rahman in Afghanistan in 2006.

Ask them if a woman's testimony, in Islamic states, is worth only half that of a man's testimony.

Ask them if any aspect of the Shari'a should be incorporated into American law.

Ask them what takes precedence in this country. Islam, including the Shari'a, or the U.S. Constitution.

There are many questions that a knowledgeable person, like Pamela, can ask; the intention being to expose those teachings--and their inappropriateness in the modern world--to the program's moderator and its audience, to embarrass the Muslim with Islam's actual teachings, and to place a public spotlight on THAT Muslim's ability to honestly answer the question.

I'm sure she can do better, and I'm sure she will.

Re-phrase:

Once people realize that this accursed evil political ideology is NOT a religion, the Islamization of America will take a BIG hit.

Just watched this again, and all I can think now is that Pamela really needs to pick a side.

I know the anti-Islam movement is growing and it's still in 1st gear, but there simply is no way to be pro-Muslim ("I loooove Muslims!" and pro-mosque ("I have no problem with mosques") and still be against jihad. The Qur'an cannot be expunged of the violent texts because Muslims believe the Qur'an is the perfect book of God that has existed for all time and was delivered to us piece by piece by Muhammad. Writing out huge sections of the Qur'an is not going to happen.

I look forward to the day when there is more support for this movement and we can finally shift gears. Muslims already know, whether they admit to it or not, that the West is not compatible with Islam and Sharia. That's why they are here to slowly take over via demographic conquest. We are the ones who need to wake up and admit that we need to fight against Islam in order to protect our societies and freedoms.

"I know the anti-Islam movement is growing and it's still in 1st gear, but there simply is no way to be pro-Muslim ("I loooove Muslims!" and pro-mosque ("I have no problem with mosques") and still be against jihad."

Agree. That "I love Moooslims" has got to go, and of course there's a problem with mosques continuing to be built in America. That has to stop, too. Every one means the Demographic Jihad is continuing apace.

Islam is a supremacist hegemonic ideology that is intent on taking over the West. She should point to the situation in Western Europe where those countries will be Islamic in 50 years unless something is done starting NOW.

I strongly agree with Allah Snackbar's first post, and disagree with his second.

Pamela DOES tend to get stuck on talking points and repeat herself...and when the interviews go in unanticipated directions, she gets flummoxed and starts shouting. I think this tendency has more to do with her temperament than her intelligence (her writing indicates she's quite intelligent).

On Snackbar's second point, I think it's obvious to anyone and everyone that Pamela is doing much of the heavy-lifting for the anti-Jihad in America, that she is against Islam en-toto, and that any lip-service she pays to being accepting of Muslims, allowing mosques to be built, etc., is a tactical effort to avoid being stigmatized as a bigot and/or an extremist. Christ, Rome wasn't built in a day! The fact that she's being interviewed on so many MSM news programs and hasn't yet been blackballed is a testimonial to her success.

There are a couple of chinks in Pamela's armor but, in the end, all of us in the anti-Jihad owe her a debt of gratitude for the important work she is doing..

I think Pamela and everyone else needs to get off the usual sinister saying that the Muslim Brotherhood wants to destroy the West from within, whether they really want to or not. This sounds like extra-terrestrials making pronouncements on the fate of all of us puny earthlings. Why not translate that evil goal into something less overpowering? I think when people hear the "...take over the world..." sounding stuff, they may have a tendency to tune out the messenger, that's all.

I agree with Arafat and Allah Snackbar. PG has the facts on her side, is smart and candid about the lies of Islam. And I hope it doesn't sound sexist from this middle-aged (mid-50s) Jewish widower, but she is one babe too. But she needs to listen to and emulate other debaters about Islam, such as Daniel Pipes, who knows how to win his points, stay calm, and make the OTHER guys look like hot-headed idiots.

Pamela Geller is the right person to argue with these people,who generally do not have the decency to follow the rules of argument in a civilized society. By staying calm during debates with Muslims,you cannot win your points. Pamela had to intervene in several places- a trick she learnt through her previous rendezvouses with rude and raw Muslim argumentators.'A thorn is to be taken out only by another thorn'.She deserves all the credit.