Spencer and the god of the sea

First a polytheist (Christian) and now a Pagan - Robert, what are we going to do with you???

Neptune's weapon is a trident...In terms of the fight against Islamic hegemony and jihad, the three points are...Intellectually, spiritually, and physically...

Knowledge+Understanding+Experience = Wisdom...To be wise about Islam/jihad and share that wisdom, makes Neptune happy...

I like the word "conscientious", it is an embracing word that reflects the desire of those defined by it that they are up to this formidable challenge and want to have a good and concise understanding of things.

If only are politicians were as conscientious about the threat that Islam presents to the freedoms and liberties of the free world.

First it was Kufr, now it is Shirk. :)
Then it was Al-Uzza, Al-Lat, Manat and Hubbal - now it is Neptune.
We should fight in order not to let them tear this beautiful statue down, as they tore down the idols of the Kaaba.

And long may you continue doing this sterling work .
Every day I see something frightening about what's going on in the world - two of the latest being an American judge taking a muslim's 'religion' into account when he rapes his wife and Germany inviting turkish cops to keep order in Germany .
I've certainly learnt a lot since I started readnig this site
God bless you !

Good to know law enforcement is again soliciting your opinions, Robert....and nice to hear you were encouraged by their attitudes. Hopefully, the Q & A session wasn't marred by too many PC-laden questions and/or assertions.

But are the turtles and dolphins around Neptune halal or haram to eat? Inquiring imams want to know.

Oh dear, a Trident! There's going to another Muslim riot. The Trident is sooooooo reminiscent of the Trinity - three of this, three of that, y'know.
I'm sure there's a dark plot behind all these coincidences:))

You look good there with the God of the Sea! Nice to get some clean sea air after spending over four hours detailing the loathsome beliefs of Jihadists.

This statue is just the sort of "Jahiliyya" that would be swept away under Shari'ah...

Robert,

What % of your audience agreed with the "tiny minority of extremists" who pervert a "religion of peace" viewpoint?

It seems that this issue is the real separator. Either they believe the terrorists are twisting a basically ok "religion", or they think terror is part and parcel of the actual ideology ...

Thanks for all you do!

Does this mean that Robert Spencer is going to narrate the next "Little Mermaid" movie from Disney?

Spencer is a valuable national resource, valuable as well to all freedom loving peoples worldwide threatened by jihad. I'm encouraged also that people in the best positions to stop the advancement of the jihad are listening.

That's a strangely moving picture for some reason, dunno, like the motion of the sea, the ancient footsteps, the echo. The image, the sea , longbeards and the trident prevailing in the winds of time.

I was not familiar with "Tidewater Joint Terrorism Task Force," so I Googled it and lo and behold, CAIR jihadists are on top of the story.

"CAIR: Anti-Islam Hate Group Leader Trains Va. Terror Task Force"

http://www.advfn.com/news_CAIR-Anti-Islam-Hate-Group-Leader-Trains-Va-Terror-Task-Force_43729447.html

Then this:

SEE: Spencer and the God of the Sea

http://tinyurl.com/2u52m4h

I guess they want their followers to appreciate the fact that Islmophobes worship images?

And this:

"Prophet Mohammed: A Con Man?"

http://www.livingscoop.com/watch.php?v=NDQ4

Well, I once posted on this site, George W. Bush "lied" about Islam and then Hesperado took me to task for my use of the term "lied." It was inappropriate as I applied it to Bush. So I guess it is only fair for R. Spencer to claim the Muslim prophet was a con-man. I've got to disagree with Mr. Spencer however on this one point. I do believe Muhammad was an historical figure. There are those who argue Jesus was not an historical figure as he himself wrote nothing. I believe Jesus was an historical figure. So was Moses an historical figure and Abraham was an historical figure.

And there is more from CAIR jihadists:

"Our nation's law enforcement personnel should not receive training from the head of a hate group that seeks to demonize Islam and to prevent American Muslims from exercising their rights as citizens," said CAIR National Communications Director Ibrahim Hooper. "Robert Spencer is the same individual who claims in his new book that President Obama is waging 'war on America.'"

"He noted that Spencer recently co-authored the book, "The Post-American Presidency: The Obama Administration's War on America," that sounds a "wake-up call for Americans to stop the Obama administration from limiting our hard-won freedoms, silencing our democratic voices, and irreparably harming America for generations to come."

"War on America." R. Spencer is beginning to sound more and more like a 'wild Jew' like me, or a wild Christian. Mr. Obama, in my view, is a indeed a very dangerous man. Where is a jihadwatch member who can bring some 'sanity', reasonableness and caution into this debate?

It's Robert's Poseidon Adventure!

lilredbird, it's your's too, and mine. This is Bear Mountain Picnic. Ain't no movie anymore.

Robert,
in looking at the background of that photo, I can't help but notice that guy in the background wearing a pair of shorts and a wife-beater.

Don't you realize that it has been about 10 degrees hotter than the hinges of Hell outside and you are STILL wearing a suitcoat, long-sleeved shirt and a tie???? And you are standing there smiling!

Not only are you mentally tougher than most/all of us, you are also apparently physically tougher, too!

wildjew..disregard my comment..misplaced completely..sorry sir..in all that that means..

Let's reflect on Poseidon, as personification of the sea, of the Powers of the sea (that sea above which YHWH sits enthroned - 'the LORD on high is mightier than the noise of many waters, yea, than the mighty waves of the sea" ).

It may be that the sea is, so to speak, a realm in which kafir are more at home than Muslims.

There have been Muslim pirates aplenty, down through the ages - based in the Southern Philippines and in Malaysia and Indonesia, the Acehnese being particularly notorious (it has only occurred to me recently that many of the pirates who used to regularly rob and rape the boatloads of Vietnamese fleeing from their tyrannical communist rulers, were most likely Muslims), in North Africa (Barbary Pirates), and now of course in Somalia - and there have been Muslim fleets (under the Ottomans) that engaged in naval battle, but the curious thing is that sea warfare, as such, is not something that Muslim jihad theorists have spent much time thinking about.

If one reads Patrick Sookhdeo's 'Global Jihad', one discovers that Islam is in origin heavily land-based and land-bound.

From chapter 7, 'the practicalities of Jihad', the section entitled, 'Naval warfare':

"The early Muslims, being desert-dwelling Arabs, were reluctant to go to sea (a fact which helped the Byzantine Empire to hold out against continued Muslim aggression).

..."**It is striking how little is written by Islamic jurists about the conduct of a war at sea, in contrast to the vast amounts of literature dealing with land-based warfare** {my emphasis - dda}.

"So great was the general antipathy towards {and perhaps, fear of? - dda} the sea, that various hadiths report Mohammed promising that anyone who died in jihad at sea would have double the reward of a martyr who died on land. One hadith records that Mohammed said, 'Paradise is granted to the first batch of my followers who will undertake a naval expedition'. Shaybani states that as soon as a jihad fighter sets foot on a ship all his sins are forgiven.

{This seems to suggest that people were showing a certain reluctance to abandon dry land...dda}.

"**Most of the rules of [Muslim] maritime warfare were derived by analogy with land warfare, a ship being seen as equivalent to a castle...

"There were special rules about prisoners of war which related to the fact that ships overloaded with booty and prisoners might sink.

"If the Muslims feared they would sink, they were permitted to throw into the sea not only the property they had taken **but also the prisoners they had taken including women and children** {my emphasis - dda}.

"They were not, however, allowed to throw overboard any Muslim women or children who might happen to be on the ship, nor any dhimmis on board, nor any non-Muslim who had been granted a safe-conduct."

Sookhdeo then supplies a potted history of the Barbary Corsairs, concluding with a paragraph that compares the Barbary Pirates to today's jihad organisations -

"Seeing their piracy as a part of jihad against the Infidels, the Barbary corsairs in many ways resemble modern Islamic terrorism and its methods, in which profitable criminal activities (such as drug-trafficking, kidnapping for ransom, fraud and robbery) are allied to religious Islamic jihadi goals. These are supported by Muslim merchants, politicians, governments and 'ulama, all for their different reasons but under the general jihad umbrella". END QUOTE.

What stands out to me, at once, is this: yes, historically, once they went to sea, Muslims became very good at *piracy*, and employed the brute force technique of the massive heavily-armed invasion fleet (e.g. as launched against Morocco) but...if their military strategists and theorists did insist on treating sea warfare as if it were really no different from land warfare...then that seems to me to involve an enormous (and very typical) failure of imagination.

One can draw some kind of analogy between the desert (with oases) and a sea (with islands) but it *is* only an analogy, and one that will break down pretty fast.

I don't know too much about different types of warfare, but intuitively, at least, I suspect that if one looked in the ancient and modern military handbooks of, say, such natural and persistent and habitual seafarers as the Dutch or the English or the Portuguese, one would find vast amounts of thought expended upon the *specific* practicalities and ways of conducting and optimal strategies of *naval* warfare, as distinct from land warfare (and then, of course, we clever kafir invented aeroplanes and immediately set to work to invent *air* combat, *air* warfare).

It's no coincidence that the seafaring Dutch - proteges of St Nicholas, patron of seafarers - were able to hold the Indonesian archipelago for nearly three centuries.

Many of us kafir - especially those from the cultures I mentioned and, too, historically, the Greeks - are not reluctant seafarers but instead are quite at home in the realm of Poseidon, the fluid and dangerous realm where if you really want not just to survive but to thrive (and to fight, and win) you must be bold, fast-moving, creative, imaginative, and able to cooperate to a very high degree (while each captain must also be able to think independently).

I would advise those engaged in the counter-jihad - especially those who know anyone connected with the non-Muslim naval vessels that are currently engaged in trying to curb the activities of the Somali Muslim jihad pirates operating off the Horn of Africa - to first of all examine very carefully what Muslims *have* written about sea warfare; and then to look at the records of previous campaigns against Muslim sea-borne pirates (the Barbary Pirates, the Acehnese, the Moros of the southern Philippines) and the sea-battles with the Ottoman fleets, including those that took place in the course of the Greek War of Independence (i.e. of Liberation From the Empire of Islam), paying particular attention to those campaigns and battles in which the kafir prevailed, in order to discover what worked, as well as examining and thinking hard about the failures; and then, too, to find and study up on the key texts that we kafir have written for ourselves, about naval warfare.

Air and sea are where our kind of thinking can have an advantage over the Islamic mind-set. Madeleine L'Engle called her little book on storytelling, on imagination, "Walking on Water".

Our civilisation - sea-faring, then air-faring, now spacefaring - *is* a civilisation that, in a sense, walks on water.

'Poseidon' may well be our ally against the Jihad.

Nice Pic, Robert. I think that you are a Pisces, astrologically, if I'm correct? So you look natural in nautical environments, LOL. I used to live in Virginia back in the mid-1970s. I have considered moving back there. I also have a good friend in Virginia Beach who is a Christian minister. He is the one who turned me on to Jihad Watch about four years ago. (I'll make sure that he gets this link.) I don't think I'm even ready for a visit there being that followers of Mo are running rampant there. It's too heartbreaking for me to see. Thanks again for all of your wonderful work and I will put a copy of this picture of you up on one of my walls.

The Trickster is a good fit for islam (less thrashing around??)
from wikipedia: The trickster deity breaks the rules of the gods or nature, sometimes maliciously but usually, albeit unintentionally, with ultimately positive effects. The trickster can overcome a system of oppression from within.
Every trickster has several of the following six traits:
1. fundamentally ambiguous and anomalous
2. shapeshifter
3. deceiver and trick-player
4. situation-inverter
5. messenger and imitator of the gods
6. sacred and lewd bricoleur
"Many north american native traditions held clowns and tricksters as essential to any contact with the sacred. People could not pray until they had laughed, because laughter opens and frees from rigid preconception. Humans had to have tricksters within the most sacred ceremonies for fear that they forget the sacred comes through upset, reversal, surprise. The trickster in most native traditions is essential to creation, to birth".
Maybe the trickster could rock/paper/scissors islam out of existence.

Ya knocked that one right outta th' stadium Joey. Perfect batmanship.

You should (if you haven't already) make a little handbook for law enforcement on how Islam (i.e., Sharia law) clashes with the U.S. law principles that they are duty-bound to uphold.

The God of the Sea takes on the God of the Moon!!

Thank you Mr Spencer for being a one man army worth 10,000 counterterrorism agents.

Robert...Don't you know that Neptune is the father of Queen Esther who is depicted on the logo of Starbucks, owned by the Jew Howard Shultz who sends billions in profits to Israel?

Bet you didn't also know that Esther was a mermaid?