U.K.: Manchester mall installs squat toilets to cater to Muslims

Well for goodness sakes why don't they also supply shovels & rocks for stoning. That would really make them feel at home.

What's coming next? Medical stations dispensing bottled camel urine?

Why not really cater more meaningfully to Muslims living now in their new homeland and appeal even closer to their sensitivities. Next time a wife behaves more independently, how about 40 lashes. Shoplifting No problem, left hand gets shopped off, excellent. Little sister starts wearing make up, a little acid in her face will fix her right up, bring honor to the family. Oh yeah, and draw cartoon of the Pope, a little slice of the neck would be quite appropriate. How about this for exchanging the customs, laws and behaviors of good old England for the new enlightened ways of isalm, welcome to paradise feeble undeserving idiots of so much sacrifice.

Some "people" are determing to make everyone return to the neandrothal era...they are called Muslims...

Something tells me that a lot of Chinese, Hindus, Japanese, and other non-Muslims might welcome this development, too.

Squat toilets? To appease Muslim sensitivities?

Well, it all begins to make sense if one considers the potential for sloppy splashback of loose fecal matter and urine on footwear/socks when using these squat toilets.

Ew.

Then consider the 'cultural' insult of 'shoes' waved as a derogatory insult. Also consider the recently installed foot basins (at airports, universities etc. @ taxpayer expense) to accomodate pious yet admittedly dirty Muslim's feet for Islamic cleansing ritual (ablution) in preparation for five daily prayers (salat).

Stop this insanity.

Lan Astaslem.

Offer Sheet Rock. Papered on each side for comfort. While the Chalk hides the....

"Bosses of the Greater Manchester town's Exchange mall have installed two as part of an upgrade costing several thousand pounds after attending a cultural awareness course run by a local Muslim community activist."

Squat toilets are an "upgrade"? ...LOL!

I remember having to use one in (the former) Yugoslavia. That was about 20 years ago.

It was disgusting and I couldn't wait to get the heck out of there.

Just unbelievable that Britain is kowtowing to the Neanderthals like this. It would be comical if we weren't fighting for our survival against the Demographic Jihad.

For centuries, the great British loo has been a matter of envy to the rest of the world.

Thanks to the efforts of pioneers like the legendary Thomas Crapper, we have long since led the world in comfort and hygiene.

Now, however, that could be about to change.
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Well, why the hell not? If we're willing to entertain the idea of savage Shrai'ah law and burqas as "empowering", what's a little backsliding (no pun intended) in the area of hygiene in comparison?

Kepha wrote:

Something tells me that a lot of Chinese, Hindus, Japanese, and other non-Muslims might welcome this development, too.
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No way, Kepha. My veterinary clinic has a imported Japanese toilets, and they are a marvel of modern engineering—heated, with a water-saving sensor regulating how much water is needed for a flush, adjustable for handicapped users, etc, etc.

If it has a drawback, it is that it is perhaps overly complicated, presenting a sort of hygienic overkill. I doubt very much that Japanese used to this ultra modern appliance would welcome a return to a filthy hole in the ground.

Here's a picture of some lovely squat toilets:

http://www.clogged-toilet.co.cc/toilet/squat-toilet-history.jpg

Porcelin-lined hole in the floor. Let's hope they put the safety rail on the correct wall in the handicapped stall. In the picture I saw I couldn't see the pile of rocks anywere in sight. Can you imagine you are the guy in custodial that has to clean out, lug and sanitize the used rock bin? Please sir, only 3 rocks per use. And I thank you as well. Aloha Tiki bar.

Aloha Tiki bar? He's right. I could use a stiff one right about now.

Squat toilets are almost impossible to use if you are old or have illness of some kind. Having no choice - even in a hospital - was a nightmare for me when I suffered a hip injury overseas. Falling over while using these things: so nice for the next user. And then the slippery floor from all the water they use...yikes.
"Cultural" reasons?!

Gives new meaning to the phrase, "You can't make this sh*t up".

Islam: 21st Century De-Evolution

Islam is forever frozen in the 7th century because muhammad - a so-called messenger of God - was incapable of imagining any existence beyond his own time.

According to our PC governments, all cultures, no matter how cruel, barbaric, or obsolete, are equal.

The next logical step would be to replace lavatory sinks with buckets of sand (Quran 5:6 - ...if, when you have just relieved yourselves...you can find no water, take some clean sand and rub your faces and your hands with it. Allah does not wish to burden you; He seeks only to purify you...

Perhaps English beach resort hotels at Brighton or on the Isle of Wight should take this suggestion under advisement, especially if the goal is to attract more Muslim clientele. It's cost effective, too - just go out and scoop up sand -at the beaches, it's already abundant and free.

Yes, almost funny.

The Qur'an doesn't say anything about the correct shape for a toilet. Perhaps the Ahadith does, but I'd like to know where. Meanwhile, this caper sounds far more like a cultural custom than a real religious demand.

Most of the Muslims I know speak proudly of how Islam values hygiene as a moral virtue. While it's highly questionable that Islam has ever led the world in this field, this attitude does suggest they would value the modern toilet. I doubt many British Muslims really want the holes-in-the-ground. It seems to be the classic example of an attempt at "multicultural understanding" that did not seriously consult the target culture.

Actually, of course, we should not sacrifice community hygiene, no matter who might be offended by the scientific facts about dirt.

BTW, Thomas Crapper lived in the nineteenth century. He was a clever plumber but he was 300 years too late to invent the flush toilet. Credit for this ingenious contribution to human welfare goes to another Englishman, Sir John Harington, who designed his "Ajax" in 1596. However, he was only refining an old idea. There seems to have been some kind of flushing toilet in Orkney as long ago as the 31st century BC.

I dont know, I have had to use these kinda crappers quite a few times on deployments, and if I can manage to keep my balance while using them, and there is a nice roll of toliet paper nearby, I really don't mind them that much, just forget about them if you are one of those types that needs to read at the same time you are droppin the kids off at the pool.
but now and again I would have to say I would like to take my place on my "throne" , haha.

Kepha is right in that this style of thing is not exclusively found in the Muslim world.

I have been told by physiotherapists, that a lower (though not at ground level!) toilet is considered better, from a physiological point of view, than the 'standard chair height' favoured in Western loos; the physios even recommend for those with standard loos a sturdy step upon which to place the feet when seated, so as to bring the knees up into a position *approximating* a squat. This was particularly recommended for women in the weeks immediately after childbirth, so as to reduce strain on the pelvic floor muscles. In that regard, a happy compromise can surely be reached between east and west on the basis of medical science and practicality; set it low enough to approximate a squat, while high enough to allow for the safety and convenience of the elderly and/or infirm.

I have every appreciation for modern western sanitary plumbing, having grown up in the Australian bush with, first, a splendid backyard thunderbox, whose 'can' had to be regularly taken out and the contents interred, and then, second, a flush toilet leading to a septic tank that had to be regularly tended - and which blocked up, all too often.

What gets *me* about this story is something else entirely. According to The Telegraph version thereof:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/7890673/Middle-Eastern-style-squat-lavatories-fitted-in-Rochdale-shopping-centre.html

"The shopping centre decided to install the loos in the washrooms for both sexes, which enable users to squat rather than to sit, after receiving advice from the local Asian community. 


"Managers attended a course on "cultural understanding and community cohesion" run by Ghulam Rasul Shahzad, a retired Rochdale Council training officer, which is aimed at advising police and other local organisations.

"**The course included visiting Rochdale's Central Mosque and inspecting its bathroom facilities** {my emphasis added - dda}.

I must say that all kinds of possibilities for satirical cartoons floated into my mind when I read *that*.

To repeat: "a course on "cultural understanding and community cohesion" [which included] visiting Rochdale's Central Mosque and inspecting its bathroom facilities."

Allow yourself to visualise the students, segregated by sex of course, being solemnly ushered in little groups into the men's and women's loos at the mosque...were they told, in hushed tones, about all the little rituals for entering and using and leaving the facilities, and that Muslims believe toilets are inhabited by malevolent jinn (to judge from what I know about Muslim toilet hygiene or lack thereof, germs sound like a much more probable denizen than jinn)?

And then allow yourself to reflect: would the people conducting a 'cultural understanding' tour of a synagogue or a church, a gurdwara, or a Hindu, Buddhist or Taoist temple, anywhere in Britain or anywhere *else*, even *think* of giving their earnest guests a special tour of the toilets used by the congregation?

The UK ... once again showcasing that it is, by far, the most suicidal Western nation by leading the way towards dhimmitude. France? Sweden? Netherlands? USA/Canada? Who's going to take second place?

With an aging population, how many of them will be able to squat? And what about people with arthritis or bad knees? Even muslims get old and arthritic. What a MESS!

This situation is a case of pandering to immigrants from various countries; not merely to Muslims alone. Brits have now been afforded a perfect opportunity to express their outrage at this unneeded 'upgrade', and to remind immigrants to British soil of their, at least former, obligation to assimilate and to acculturate to British culture.

1. Go to the mall as often as possible.

2. Bring plenty of TP--not for its normal purpose--but to clog those toilets.

After a few days of paying plumbers to clear those clogged drains, the Mall's staff will get the message.

The obliging, fawning and pandering Dhimmis at this shopping mall must also ensure that they put up these warning signs at the entrance to these toilets that I have seen at mosques:

"Please enter using left foot and exit using right foot"

Sensitive Muslims (are there any other kinds?) will regard any failure to do so as not being sufficiently solicitous to their spiritual needs and will take offence.

As dumbledoresarmy has mentioned above, they also believe in special prayers to be recited before and after performing their necessary natural functions to avoid being attacked by Jinns. They actually believe that toilets are evil places inhabited by these imaginary Jinns where there should be no lingering to read or do anything else. One should do one's business and leave pronto.

As a young slim, fit woman in the early ninties I used squat toilets frequently in South Korea. At the time I didn't think it big deal, but now that I'm fatter and older I'd avoid them.

What I found in Korea was that people 'missed' the squat bowl. It wasn't unusual to see a pile of faeces at the end of the bowl. When this happened noone would use the toilet because it stank, it looked repulsive and you risked yourself coming into contact with the faeces, which in itself is a huge hygene risk.

Squat toilets are a hazard. With our normal sit-down toilets, if a number two (floater)is in the toilet, any civic minded person can put down the lid and just hit the flush button to get rid of it. With squat toilets it's just harder.

And I wonder about the cleaners. Surely this is infringing on their rights to have a safe environment to work in. Every day they will have to deal with raw faeces where people just missed the bowl - like someone said, the old will find them difficult to use and will unintentionlly miss. Maybe the unions need to get involved for the sake of the cleaners.

And more islam creeping in UK .....

bbc 4 tonight 7.30p.m. - there's a programme 'islam and science ' where some muslim will tell us about 'islam's scientific achievements '

Here is some advice for the "squat toilet"

http://www.clogged-toilet.co.cc/use-squat-toilet.htm

Everybody get confused for the first time that they see squat toilet. You have no directions and no instruction. Most of the time you have to figure how to use the squat toilet by yourself. Its like riding a bike, after the first time you can be the expert user of the squat toilet.

First find the squatting toilet, It might sound funny but most of the people dont know exactly where is it and are very shy to ask. The casue is that everyone dump their feces in the squatting toilet and run away. The person that come after you will have unpleasent view. And when everybody will do their thing not in the same place, a huge mountain of excrement will grow in the clogged toilet.

You can forget about toilet paper, and instead you`ll have to get use to the little cup of water. After the unloading put your left hand in the water, wash yourself with it, and then clean your left hand again. This is why everybody shake hands only with their right hands. The left hand is saved for the clogged toilet activity. when you wash yourself with soap or even just water its clean you more effectively than toilet paper.

You must take off all your clothes that are below your waists: pants, underwear, shoes and socks. If you dont take them off it can get very dirty and you might consider bringing new clothes. Some expert can do it without taking their clothes completely, its harder and it has a nothe risk: you have to empty your pockets: take off the cell phone, wallet and if you are tourist - your passport. Otherwise you will find them deep in the sewage.

Practice on squatting before actually going to the clogged toilet. Its the most natural body position in the world, we are all born to it by nature. Some will find that squat position is very hard because they have to operate leg muscles that hadnt been used before in the toilet. I dont mean that you need to go to the gym to develop your leg muscles before, but you have to have some idea what you are going through, and prevet yourdelf from falling into the squat toilet.

As a tourist, get used to squatting will save you money in public toilet that design in the western form, only for tourists, you will also save time, stomach aches and anxiety.

How can these mall owners be so culturaly insensitive? Admittedly, squat toilets are a politically correct starting point, but where is the ready supply of small round stones with which to remove surplus fecal matter left behind by the believer's shameful bowel movement, as mandated by the great paedophile himself in mein koranf?

Holy Shit ! These toilets are bloody difficult to use especially if you are disabled. Even if you are able-bodied they are a right pain to use if you want to defecate. Usually they are covered in excrement and urine and stink to high heaven. Personally I would make a point of visiting one of these abominations and causing as much mess as possible for our Muslim compatriots to contemplate.

This is laughable.
However it is easily fixed.
I beleive B&Q, Homebase etc sell ready mixed concrete, I reckon 1-2 bags emptied in should take care of this.

What's wrong with these people?

Well, since we're on the subject...My first introduction to squatter toilets was forty years ago, in Japan, where it was a feature in my little six-tatami apartment. I was quite pleased to learn on a visit some years later that the Japanese had made great progress in retiring the squatters in favor of sitters, but with a flair that only the Japanese could come up with. Muslims should take heed.

It was during a visit to Kyoto. The hotel room was small, but adequate, and in checking the loo I was intrigued by this contraption that resembled a standard sitter toilet, except it had armrests with controls giving it the appearance of the cockpit of a jet airplane. Needless to say, experimenting was in order, but the control labels were in Japanese so one had to be careful. On sitting down on the seat, the first thing that happened was that some kind of switch was activated that started motors whirring somewhere. Suppressing the urge to leap up to avoid what I was certain were sharp objects swinging around mere inches from nether parts, I started playing with the controls. One of the dials adjusted the temperature of the seat. Another one activated a swing out nozzle from under the seat (Ahah! there WERE things being swung around down there) that had an upward directed spray of water, and one of the controls adjusted the water pressure, another one the water temperature and an LCD display telling you what it was, another one adjusted the amount of spray, and yet another one selected from among several different kinds of perfume. That was on just one of the arm rests. The other one had the controls for a speaker phone and the remote controls for the TV set that faced the seat.

Muslim clerics should seriously consider visiting Japan. They could learn a thing or two about modern toilet technology from these people.

1) Could the Muslim prohibition on defecating in standing water also make Muslims worried that a modern toilet has "standing water"? Has there been a ruling on this authoritative enough for most Muslims? Since they need a ruling, and cannot think for themselves, there had better be.

2) In the bit I cut-and-pasted below, just to provide the flavor of Muslim websites handing down the rules, take note in particular of the remarks, en passant, about the filthy Infidels:

"This hadeeth illustrates beautifully how Islaam safeguards the rights of one and all. Again, in marked contrast to this, we find the manners of the disbelievers, whose inconsiderate behavior leaves foul stenches in several phone booths and subways."

Here's a bit of the text. Remember, Islam is a Total Guide to Life. No part of life is left without coverage:

Islamic Etiquettes of Using The Toilet
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Islamic Etiquettes of Using The Toilet - shapes

As an added note, the word "toilet" in this article refers only to the area immediately surrounding the place of relief and not, as is commonly understood in English, the entire bathroom.

1. ENTERING:
As an added note, the Prophet said, "To put a barrier that will prevent the jinn from seeing the 'awrah of the sons of Aadam, let any one of you say 'Bismillaah' when entering the toilet."
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One should enter the toilet with the left foot first
[2] and say whilst entering:
" Bismillãhi, 'allãhumma 'innee 'a`outhu bika minal-khubthi wal khabã'ithi"
[3]
[In the Name of Allaah; my 'ilãh I seek refuge in You from the male, and female devils (shayateen, which is the plural for shaytan)]. It is known that the jinn like to inhabit places of filth, such as toilets and camel pens and that is why we have been ordered to seek refuge in Allaah from their harm when we enter the toilet.
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2. SECLUSION:
One should always move and hide away from others when relieving oneself. Jaabir relates that, "When the Prophet felt the need of relieving himself, he went far off where no one could see him." [5] He would also take the added precaution of not raising his garment until he had lowered himself near the ground [6], since, even tough he would go to a far off place to relieve himself , the area was still open, so there was still the possibility of being seen. This is an indication of extreme sense of modesty and shyness which the Prophet possessed. In contrast, we see the disbelievers, especially the men, who feel no shame in using public urinals, exposing themselves to everyone. There are certain places which we have been expressly told to avoid when relieving oneself.

The Prophet said, "Beware of those acts which cause other to curse." They asked, "What are those acts", he said, "Relieving yourself in the people's pathways or in their shade [under trees]." [7] This hadeeth illustrates beautifully how Islaam safeguards the rights of one and all. Again, in marked contrast to this, we find the manners of the disbelievers, whose inconsiderate behavior leaves foul stenches in several phone booths and subways. Not only that, but they see no wrong in walking their dogs with the specified purpose of fouling the paths, causing harm and offensive to others.

3. THE PROHIBITION OF FACING THE QIBLAH: [8]
The Prophet said, "If you go to defecate, do not face the Qiblah nor turn your back toward it. Instead you should turn to your left side or your right." [9]
Some scholars are of the opinion that this forbidding only applies in open areas and that if you are in an enclosed place, then there is no harm relieving yourself facing ...

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Civilized people should boycott the mall. If that is too inconvenient for you, go to the stores nearest the Islamic scat holes and tell them you don't feel safe dealing with a place so close to primitive plumbing. If mall managers want Muslims, they can have them. They just shouldn't expect to retain their civilized customers as well.

Rod Liddle has an amusing take on this story in his 'Spectator' blog:

Some new public conveniences at a shopping centre in Rochdale will include two hole-in-the-ground squat toilets in order to make the area’s Asian population feel more at home. These innovations are apparently known as “Nile pans”, although I must say I have never heard them called this. I’ve heard them called “holes in the ground”, though. A local council spokesman said that this installation proved that the people of Greater Manchester were more “cosmopolitan” than anywhere else in the country – but I think the scheme is not nearly “cosmopolitan” enough. To get the true Asian toilet experience the council should provide each cubicle with swarms of specially-bred flies and perhaps an inquisitive rat or two. Meanwhile the plumbing should disperse directly into the street below, perhaps onto the heads of maimed beggars. Come on, keep it real, chaps.

Please stop insulting the neanderthals by comparing them to primitives.

3. THE PROHIBITION OF FACING THE QIBLAH: [8]
The Prophet said, "If you go to defecate, do not face the Qiblah nor turn your back toward it. Instead you should turn to your left side or your right."
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I'm sure these filthy squat toilets at the mall will have to be specially oriented so as not to face Mecca, whereas you just never know with those Kaffir crappers—which can face any whichway...

When I was first at University, I had a job at the International House as a custodian. Cleaning eight floors worth of toilets was not much fun—but at least I wasn't swabbing out these nasty holes in the ground—Ugh.

When I lived in Turkey for a couple of years in a modern high rise apartment, believe it or not.
There was a modern bathroom with a sunken in bathtub and a regular toilet. Inside the bowl is a little metal pipe, you can open up the water flow on the outside of the toilet bowl and than with the water coming out you could rinse with your "hand" rinse your private parts.
There was a second bathroom, toilet and sink, that was a Turkish, what we called a sh.t hole, a hole in the ground with two metal plates on the side to put your feet on and scat on down. Horrible. My husband, would open up a big plastic Clorox bottle, put it upside in the hole and than covered it over with a thick piece of plywood, we used it at a storage place.

Muslims won't have a pot to piss in?

...if this is meant to cater for Muslims we would point out that the vast majority use normal toilets in their own homes.

-- Mike Bone, of the British Toilet Association

I doubt many British Muslims really want the holes-in-the-ground. It seems to be the classic example of an attempt at "multicultural understanding" that did not seriously consult the target culture.

-- Diana, a Jihad Watch reader, above

I suppose Mike Bone has the qualifications to render such a blanket statement about the "vast majority" of nearly two million Muslims in the UK, being a rep of the "British Toilet Association". What neither Mike nor Diana factor in, however, is the fact that Muslims in the UK have likely been forced by sheer architecture and interior design to use Western toilets -- so it doesn't necessarily mean that all those Muslims are happy about this situation. Rendering that blanket statement -- that the vast majority are happy about Western crappers -- would exceed the expertise of both Mike Bone and Diana, one dares say. Indeed, this privation of the "cultural" privies of the vast majority of UK Muslims may be one of the many causes of their seething grievance against the West and the filthy Kuffar all around them, leading to their "radicalization"! Furthermore, I wouldn't be surprised if many Muslims in the UK have "improvised" their bathroom set-ups in order to feel more at home with their "culture". How many improvised holes in the yards outside homes, or in the floors of houses, have gone undetected by city services throughout the UK (let alone Minneapolis or Detroit or any other Western city inundated by 7th century savages), one wonders? British Toilet Association -- hop to it!

So, assuming this is true, that the "vast majority" of Muslims in the UK (what is a "vast majority" anyway? Would 80% qualify as the "vast majority"? If so, that would mean that 20% of 2 million -- approximately 400 thousand Muslims in the UK -- are finding ways in the UK to squat-shit!) use Western toilets, then considering what Muslims mean to our societies -- considering the ongoing threat they pose in their continuing support and/or enablement of a fanatical hatred of us ensconced within a cultural/historical blueprint they follow fanatically as a divine command to do everything they can to try to subjugate our societies -- at the very least we should force Muslim citizens, on pain of imprisonment, to submit essays detailing why they prefer Western toilets to Islamic toilets, and using citations from the Koran, the Hadiths and the rulings of Fuqaha -- as well as, of course, Thomas Crapper (PBUH) -- to do so. These essays will then be submitted to a Board which will review them, and if any essay is not found cogent, the Muslim writer and his family will be imprisoned for an indefinite period of time.

Or, better yet, just deport them all.

Contrast and compare design elements. . .

Asian Squat Toilet

vs.

Mihrab

Coincidence?

Lan Astaslem.