In his dhimmi show trial in the Netherlands. Video from Faith Freedom, thanks to Atlas Shrugs.
Wafa Sultan defends Geert Wilders
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She makes such a great point when the questioner brings up Christianity, and asks why Islam cannot be reformed like Christianity was, when she says that Christianty, the religion, was NOT reformed, the CHRISTIANS reformed THEMSELVES to live their lives closer to the example of Christ. She noted that if Muslims were to do that with Mohammad -- to base their lives even MORE closely with his example -- we'd all be in much worse danger.
Needless to say, the fact that they already do base everything on Mohammad's example is apparent, and she was just trying to get the point across to the clueless interviewer who (if you listen in headphones) sighs repeatedly throughout the interview. It's hard to tell if he disagrees, is frustrated, or what?
Anyway, she recalls being 9 years old in Syria and learning in class about Mohammad beheading 800-900 Jews in one night, and that the lesson was a point of PRIDE, especially when he "married" the Jewish widow whose husband, brother and father he had just murdered!
Just another first-hand confirmation that this stuff is taught proudly in the Islamic world, to very young children (some eligible for marriage)!
She's an amazing lady, even if she is a bit difficult to understand due to her heavy accent.
I send all my best wishes to Mr. Wilders.
He is a very courageous man who speaks for many.
It is an absolute disgrace that he cannot speak the truth and warn people what is happening.
Think of all the lives lost through islamic terrorism. The world must be on guard against this.
This is a cowardly and despicable act by the Netherlands. I did think higher of them.
It is very inspiring to hear her and thus to keep up the fight. What a woman!
Wafa Sultan is a very courageous woman,who wakes up every morning to find out if she is still alive.Wafa!kolle sana weenti tayeba.The Jewish woman who "Married"Mohamed was kicked out because she could not bear children.She used an ingenious primitive contraception so as not to bear him any children.She went to the vegetable market and bought large onions,cut them vertically took the right size segments dipped them in boiling water for a few seconds to make them soft and introduced the best segment into her womb before intercourse(like a Dutch cap or diaphragm).Mohamed never found out,and she gained her freedom.
While on the subject of Wilders, what is the latest on the political situation in the Netherlands? Has his party become part of a coalition government? Does Wilders have a ministerial position?
This medical doctor, Wafa Sultan, is an excellent teacher in this video.
Geert Wilders on Muhammad. (Best description ever!!!)
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2010/06/pigs-of-arabia-les-cochons-de-larabie.html
May God bless this woman... She is a so brave soul. So honest and so suffering in whatever she says. Astonishing, indeed.
Wafa Sultan is a very brave, courageous, and intelligent woman whom I admire immensely.
I've viewed videos of her engaging Muslim religious leaders in debate; she chewed them up and spit them out.
But I was very surprised and concerned to hear her say in this interview that she is against Islam but not against Muslims; I just don't understand the logic of that.
If a Muslim is, according to the dictionary, one who adheres to Islam, and Islam is the all-inclusive, everything or nothing, religion that demands a believer's complete acceptence and unquestioning obedience to all of its rules, laws, and mandates, then how can one separate Muslims from their religion?
How can one be absolutely against Islam and yet not have a problem with those who practice it?
I got the impression from watching this video that Wafa Sultan is still so in the grips of the religion in which she was brought up that she is as yet unwilling to face the fact that Muslims will only be free of the evils of Islam when they gain the courage to give it up completely, leave it behind and become ordinary, sane, rational human beings.
One cannot be an "almost Muslim", a "sometimes Muslim", a "Muslim in name only", or, since there is no moderate Islam, a "moderate Muslim".
If I was religious I would pray to my God for a 1000 more Gert Wilders and Wafa sultans
"Your saying that some muslims living in the Netherlands could be dangerous?"
Well Duh.
"But I was very surprised and concerned to hear her say in this interview that she is against Islam but not against Muslims; I just don't understand the logic of that.
If a Muslim is, according to the dictionary, one who adheres to Islam, and Islam is the all-inclusive, everything or nothing, religion that demands a believer's complete acceptance and unquestioning obedience to all of its rules, laws, and mandates, then how can one separate Muslims from their religion?
How can one be absolutely against Islam and yet not have a problem with those who practice it?"
I agree with that. It's like condemning Nazism but saying Nazis are OK.
Islam cannot be reformed - it must be done away with completely, just as we destroyed Nazi Germany.
Concerning Wafa - she's just fabulous. The Interviewer, of course, is an utter dolt.
difference between nazis and muslims is that most muslims are born into this faith. Nazis for the most part chose this political system. Wafa and other apostates were born into and brainwashed by islam from birth. they grew up with the knowledge that muslims were superior and all other were kaffur and thus inferior. But when wafa and other eductaed themselves and saw all the horrors and hypocracy of islam they abandoned islam. it would be hypocritical for them to say they hate muslims when they themselves believed in the same thing. Once again as RS himself says we are againt the political and religious system of islam. We do hate islam.
July 3, 2010
Free Speech
That was used to incite hatred against the Jews
Answer 1: Morrocans during WW11 The king of Morocco refused to turn over his lists of Jews to Hitlers representatives his answer was "We have no Moroccan Jews - We have only Moroccans
Answer 2: Muslims - Muslims are Islam and Islam are Muslims
Answer 3: Her teacher in grade school forgot that Islam studies and follows the three Abrahamic faiths
A) The Torah
B) The Holy Bible
C) The Qur'ran
Equality means just that
The real problem is this: The Netherlands was looking for cheap labor. Their Sociological Anthropologists - Social Sciences persons did not assess accurately their criteria
A) The impact of Muslims coming into a sexually permissive nation - the Netherlands
B) Item - If people in the Netherlands cannot peacably get along with each other without killing each other
a) Catholics and protestants
b) Nazis and Jews Jewish Christians, Freemasons and Templers (read Parchment of Chinon).
WW11 - Christian Churches reformed closer to God
I would recommend You read Corrie Ten Boom WW11
A) Geert Wilders is Nazis - The Netherlands despite the carnage of WW11, death of many Canadians (thank you for tending their graves) did not make the Nazi Party Illegal in the Netherlands
B) Hypocritical - By electing Geert Wilders - the Netherlands became hypocritical - Trust is gone - My father was one of Lord Lovat's Canadian Commandos that liberated the Netherlands.
C) Electing Geert Wilders is a terrible insult to Canadian Military Veterans of WW11.
D) So much for World Peace
These statements are made without prejudice to any all parties whatsoever and are true to the best possible current written information.
My family assisted many Dutch in immigrating to Canada - after the Holocaust - this is a terrible insult to thier memories which are so hideous it is unimaginable.
Signed Blue Sapphire
Blue Sapphire
1. There was no real 'free speech' in 1930s Germany. Free speech ended when Hitler achieved power. The incitement against Jews took place under Hitler. Ask the surviving member of the White Rose Society. Or read Shirer, 'The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich'.
Don't bother trying to peddle the 'Muslims are the new Jews' canard. It's nonsense. The Muslims really *are* going for World Domination. The Jews weren't and don't.
Wilders *means* what he says, when he says he loves the Jews and supports Israel. Does that make him a Nazi? Or is he a 'Nazi', to you, because he criticises Islam and opposes Islamification? Do you know just how many Nazis scuttled off to dar al Islam after WWII, and settled down snug as bugs in a rug (or a carpet) and even converted to Islam with great enthusiasm? Funny, that. Lots of them joined the Muslims in the big Jihad in 1948 to try to wipe out the newborn Jewish state of Israel.
2. re. Moroccan Muslims and Jews.
One swallow does not make a summer. One halfway decent Muslim ruler is the exception, not the rule. Muslim Morocco was hell on earth for its Jews before the French took over; if you don't believe me, google 'Sol Hachuel' and find out what happened to her. Here's a handy summary. And what happened to her wasn't all that unusual.
http://www.andrewbostom.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=26&Itemid=48
Or read 'The Jews of Arab Lands' and 'The Dhimmi'. Would you like to be treated like that?
And from 1948 onward, Morocco became hell on earth again, for the Jews there; most of whom, once they got the chance, fled.
Here's some testimony about what it was like to be a Jew, in Morocco, in the early 1950s.
From the Jerusalem Post, earlier this year.
http://www.jpost.com/Features/InThespotlight/Article.aspx?id=174196
The ‘Nakba’ of Morocco’s Jews - By LELA GILBERT 28/04/2010 23:40
Part of that article, in case the link breaks.
"Only in later years did Dina come to appreciate the constant pressure her parents had endured before their departure [to Israel].
"There were small things—**insults and ceaseless intimidation** {my emphasis - dda}.
"For example, her father, who owned a large and successful butcher shop, was at the mercy of local thieves, who sometimes simply walked into his business and demanded that he give them whatever they wanted – at no cost.
“Not once and not twice,” Dina explains, “but whenever they wanted something. These were our good Muslim neighbors, you know?”
'Avraham knew better than to argue. “If you said something they didn’t like, you were in danger,” Dina recalls. “Most of the time everybody got along. But when you are in a lower place in society, you don’t dare to stand up for yourself.”
'There were bigger threats too, including mysterious disappearances.
'First her father’s best friend vanished.
'Then one of Dina’s cousins, a remarkably beautiful 14-year-old girl, also disappeared, never to be seen again {yup: just like Coptic girls disappear in Egypt, and Assyrian Christian girls in Iraq, and Hindu and Christian girls vanish in Pakistan...dda}."
'In the Moroccan Jewish community, such things weren’t exactly unusual. And they happened more and more frequently after 1948, when Israel declared itself an independent state.
'At that moment, the centuries-long, low-grade oppression Jews experienced in their role as dhimmis under Muslim rule was ignited into ugly confrontations, humiliation and random attacks.
'These episodes sometimes exploded into full-blown pogroms in which hundreds were killed or wounded.
'An article in Commentary magazine published in September 1954 described the difficult circumstances of Morocco’s Jews during the early years of Dina Gabay Levin’s life.
'“In disputes with Muslims, or on civil commercial and criminal issues among themselves, Jews are almost entirely subject to Islamic courts... even under the best of circumstances [the courts] regard Jewish litigants as unclean, inferior beings.” END QUOTE.
Oh yeah, the Muslims in Morocco were sooo nice to their dear defenceless Jews, so kind and so just...**spit**.
Next point.
You write:
I see that you do not distinguish between Islam and Muslims. Is 'Islam', for you, then, perchance, shorthand for 'the Ummah', the collectivity of all Muslims?
Wafa Sultan, when she says 'Muslims', is I think distinguishing between the 'people who are Muslims' and the ideology inside their heads. As desidude pointed out: Wafa remembers when she used to be a 'Muslim'; before she dumped the belief system. It's like hating the sin and loving the sinner. Wafa wants Muslims like that - unhappy, questioning Muslims, like she was - to lose Islam and become free people.
Next point. I see you are trying to peddle that 'three Abrahamic faiths' line. Won't work here. Nobody's buying.
Judaism and Christianity, despite deep disagreements, are sister faiths. Islam is an impostor; its claim to be 'Abrahamic' rests on the theological equivalent of passport fraud and identity theft. See Dr Mark Durie, 'Revelation? Do We Worship the Same God? Jesus, Holy Spirit, God, in Christianity and Islam'; also Jacques Ellul, 'Les Trois Piliers du Conformisme', and Franz Rosenzweig, Jewish philosopher and theologian, who places Christianity with Judaism, and identifies Islam as basically a species of paganism (i.e. as a non-biblical belief system).
Muslims don't accept the TaNaKh or the Gospels; they view the Jewish and Christian scriptures, because those scriptures differ from their own, as 'corrupted'. The Muslim 'Isa' has almost nothing in common with the Jesus known and worshipped by the Christians; the 'Isa' of the Quran, compared to the Yeshua/ Jesus of the Christian texts, is a garbled travesty, almost a parody.
Your final argument, such as it is, seems to be an attempt to blame the Dutch for all the problems they are currently encountering from Muslims in their midst. Well, the Dutch *were* silly to let so many Muslims in. But that doesn't justify Muslim bad behaviour. O the poor Muslims, so shocked by encountering those wicked, wicked Dutch, that they just had to react violently /sarc/ (we'll just forget about homosexuality in Morocco, shall we? and child marriage, which the Quran takes for granted, and the Sira and Hadith sacralise? and polygyny? and wife-beating? and forced marriage, and the permission of marital rape, and oh yes, the testimony I've quoted just now, about the abduction of Jewish girls in...the early 1950s, shall we?).
I think you *must* be a Muslim, since you then resort to Tu Quoque. The Dutch were *invaded and occupied* by the Nazis during a *war*. Was that their fault? And the rest of your examples are ancient history. Muslim violence is *now*. Theo Van Gogh was murdered *recently* - in a Dutch street, in broad daylight, by a jihadi sharia-enforcer. That's *now*, not hundreds of years ago.
You claim to be the daughter of a Canadian commando.
Given the rest of your posting, I don't believe you (unless you have cut and pasted comments from different people?).
Once again: Geert Wilders is no Nazi. Here's the speech he gave at a conference in Jerusalem, 'Facing Jihad', in 2008.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/12/geert-wilders-at-facing-jihad-conference-in-jerusalem-if-there-would-have-been-no-israel-islamic-imp.html
You sound to me exactly like a Mohammedan taqiyya artist. If you're not, you're giving a pretty good imitation thereof.
PS - I've seen 'Fitna'. I've read the Quran. I've read a good deal else beside. All 'Fitna' does is hold a perfectly truthful mirror up to the Global Jihad. If Muslims don't like what they see in the mirror, well, too bad.
Apologies to anyone reading what I wrote above: in responding to the incoherent screed by 'Blue Sapphire', I did leave out an intended quotation.
It was Blue Sapphire's identification of Muslims with Islam: "Muslims - Muslims are Islam and Islam [sic] are Muslims".
I meant to quote that, but omitted it by accident.
For the passage in my posting just above that reads:
"Next point.
You write:
I see that you do not distinguish between Islam and Muslims. Is 'Islam', for you, then, perchance, shorthand for 'the Ummah', the collectivity of all Muslims? "
read
'Next point.
'You write: "Muslims - Muslims are Islam and Islam [sic] are Muslims".
'I see that you do not distinguish between Islam and Muslims. Is 'Islam', for you, then, perchance, shorthand for 'the Ummah', the collectivity of all Muslims?"
Wafa Sultan has more guts than 1200 Million Indians taken together.
Salutations to the courageous lady!
Thank you for that perfect confutation of "blue sapphire's" willful ignorance! You covered it all beautifully.
I rather suspect he/she is probably only another Dhimmi dupe of the Religion of Peace™ — Leftist moral relativist – re the nonsensical claim that, "Islam studies and follows the three Abrahamic faiths
A) The Torah
B) The Holy Bible [sic] (New Testament/Gospels?)
C) The Qur'ran [sic]"
And apparently can't even spell the common transliteration of Qur'an, with no clue that it is the only book taught and followed by Islamic schools – that it abrogates all others.
I truly love this amazing woman! She is such a courageous example, a True Witness and an absolute Treasure. She and Wilders both are humanity's real heroes.
God bless & keep them safe. We can't afford to lose them.
I love Wafa Sultan! and I love Geert Wilders! They are really some great people. I am so proud of Geert and her, I wish that all the earth could be hearing her speak now, I am just seeing/hearing her right now, not even finished yet. This interviewer is not really up on his Islam, is he? He does sound either clueless or almost defensive of it, which is very very strange, as she comes right from it. Can he be as stupid and naive as we are here in America? I only found out that Geert Wilders exists just last month (August) and saw Fitna about August 10. I know that interviewer, although Dutch, could just be ignorant. But how can he disbelieve this sincere woman, who is explaining it in the clearest, most lucid and humane but strong way any human being could? She is an angel. So is Geert. Warrior angels! We need them, all of us infidels, desperately, Yah bless them both, forever for this. He loves them greatly. Noble, honest, brave and unselfish. Humanity can all do this. They only have to want to, and love the truth. I love them so much. My hope in humanity which was flagging badly is now up thanks to their courageous, resolute, determined fight for humanity, against this evil called Islam. Thank you both, and thank this website for showing Fitna, and Wafa Sultan now.
Littlenan, I know. Cowardly and despicable. And collusive, indeed. Isn't that a crime, any more, when you are colluding with criminals (threatening to murder people, any people, who speak about the truths of islam? and who vow to destroy free countries?) These are in fact statements of war. I don't know much about war, but isn't it to be taken seriously when a group of people of another country and opposite ideology declare war on another group of people/country? Why are we looking the other way all those declarations are made in our face, screaming and in writing? Bush lied to us. (They are at war, against us). This pres is apologising for them, affiliating with them, supporting them in their new outpost, a twist of the sword in our collective, trusting raw gut, still raw from the carnage of our fellow 3000 murdered infidels. It is not freedom of anyone to kill innocent people for their religion, for not submitting. Nor is it right to tolerate sexually mutilating girls, raping and beating the native infidels and their own girls, in our lands. This is not what Thomas Jefferson had in his head with 'freedom of religion'. He never meant this. He hated the unfree press, dishonest even then. But this blackout of the news of Mr. Geert Wilders and his defense of us is evil. and that they have denied all but 3 of his expert witnesses, is unbelievablly tyrannically evil. Infidels must unite and support our supporter Geert Wilders against this corruption of government, leaders, media and the brutal tyranny of this evil Islam.