Harry Reid abandons Obama, says build the Islamic supremacist mega-mosque somewhere other than Ground Zero

Fighting for his political life, Reid sides against his boss and with the American people. "Reid: Build mosque elsewhere," from AP, August 16 (thanks to Urban Infidel):

WASHINGTON -- The Senate's top Democrat says a mosque should not be built near the site of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

Sen. Harry Reid of Nevada on Monday became the highest profile Democrat to break with President Barack Obama, who on Friday backed the right for the developers to build a mosque near ground zero.

In a statement, Reid said the first amendment protects freedom of religion and he respects that, but the mosque should be built somewhere else....

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Good - that Mosque is never going to be built.

Keep up the pressure!

Hi Mr. Spencer,

HAVE YOU HEAR ABOUT MAYOR BLOOMBERG?
I'm from Montreal. I'm on your email listing.

Check out the Bare Naked Islam site for recent news as to why Bloomberg is pro-mosque. He opened a company two years ago in Dubai and today we find out that upcoming business will be so good that he will have to quadruple his staff...

Did anyone of you look into the zoning of that building? If it was Burlington coat factory, the zoning is commercial. For a mosque, the zoning must be changed for institutional. Was there any zone change done on that lot? The Law requires a zone change. If no zone change was done, then, it's illegal to build institutional. Zone changes must be publicised in the papers to allow citizens of the area to contest it. In this case, it would be a 'spot' zone change.
S.K.

Good, he'll have lots of time to attend to his new venture in Dubai once he is booted from office. Oh, and he will be booted.

Wow!! What a surprise, our politicians growing back bones. right now it is only Harry Reid but that's a good start. I didn't think Price Harry cared about Americans!!

Wow!! What a surprise, our politicians growing back bones. right now it is only Harry Reid but that's a good start. I didn't think Prince Harry cared about Americans!!

"HAVE YOU HEAR ABOUT MAYOR BLOOMBERG?"

No, may be Allah has turned him into a monkey!!!
Monkey Men..رجال قردة..Les Hommes-Singes (video)
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2010/06/monkey-men-les-hommes-singes.html

I do not like or trust Hairy Reed...He is political opportunist in my view, and a criminal as well...
I probably posted this several years ago so here it comes again...In April of 05...Hairy made the public announcement, carried on Al-Jazeera, the "We have lost the war" (Iraq).
Hearing that the jihadi's grinned, smiled, laughed, patted each other on the back, and then went out and killed more American soldiers to prove that Hairy was right...Seeing the escalating body count Hairy repeated it...'We lost the war', Hearing that the jihadi's grinned, smiled, laughed, patted each other on the back, and then went out and killed more American soldiers to prove that Hairy was really right...
May 2005 had the highest death month of American deaths of the war...over 100...how many of those American soldier deaths were due to Hairy running his mouth off? I don't know, but I bet it was not zero...Hairy should be in prison...

Jaladhi wrote: "Wow!! What a surprise, our politicians growing back bones. right now it is only Harry Reid but that's a good start. I didn't think Prince Harry cared about Americans!!"

Only one problem...snakes don't have backbones.

Harry Reid is a weasel. He would not dare support the Ground Zero Mosque because it would make his re-election impossible.

For him, it is much better to oppose the Mosque today, and change his mind tomorrow. After the election, he can go back to business as usual. But today, he will say whatever is necessary to keep his seat.

.....so Dirty Harry does NOT want to see the islamic terrorist crusaders plant their flag of conquest upon lower manhattan......big deal.......

He'll collapse under pressure from Ayatollah Obama like the wet sack of excrement that he is.....


Harry Reid? Are you kidding me? Oh, this is getting really good! Rauf, Khan, el Gamal, hizzoner mayor Dhimberg--and now el Presidente al Hussein; they've all stepped into it big-time!

As I write this, Limbaugh is ripping Obama and Rauf to shreds--he devoted his entire first hour to it & hasn't let-up yet. Then, the 2:00 news came on & one story was about a contractor who's urging a boycott against labor and materials for the GZ mosque! And now even Harry Reid, liberal standard-bearer.

The wild ride on this mosque isn't over yet--but the speed-bumps are popping-up like tulips in spring. Keep the heat on! They're ripe for this beating which they brought-on themselves.

Note to Feisal and Daisy:

When you have HARRY REID telling you to go elsewhere it's time to call it a day. Cut bait, fools!

I am puzzled about the argument that this isn't about freedom of religion and that building mosques in the US is not a problem. Pam Geller also takes that line on her debates and I don't get it.

Mosques are a problem, muslims are a problem in so far as, as a group, they are carriers of a virus called islam. Freedom of religion can't be extended to islam, so why do we hear the opposite from you Robert or fom Geller ?

You don't win elections telling 70% of the electorate that they are wrong. Reid is paddling as fast as he can away from Obama's sinking ship but it's too late. Expect more panicked Democrats to follow Harry's lead but DON'T believe them for a second.

Heh heh heh, I love it! I cannot wait for all the liberal columnists to retract their accusations of hatred and bigotry on the part of the "far right" that oppose the mosque. Senator Reid doesn't fall in that category, does he, Richard Cohen?

harry Reid is also a doosh bag like Mark Lazion government has nu business getting involved.
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Bloomberg was not angling for business in Dubai. Mayor Bloomberg ihas learned all that he thinks he needs to learn about the intentions of the mosque proponents from his repeated conversations with that master of sly ingratiation and deep feigned sincerity, Feisal Abdul Rauf, and his "charming" wife -- god, the charm is so transpartent, and fulsome, that someone more aware of people than Mayor Bloomberg would see through them in a minute (think Mr. and Mrs. Mantalini in Dickens). He is ignorant of what Feisal Abdul Rauf has written, and what Feisal Abdul Rauf intends, and how Feisal Abdul Rauf views the world, and Muslims, and Infidels, and Islam.

And Mayor Michael Bloomberg spent his life coming out of nowhere, to make a fortune. That requires a certain concentration. It can limit someone, especially if that someone is limited to begin with. The skills it takes to make money are not necessarily the skills it takes to know about history, or men and events. You can apply what intelligence you have in one way, and if that one way requires all your time and effort, not in another. That's the sad story of Michael Bloomberg.

And he's also a sentimentalist. He wants to think that those who oppose the mosque are to be equated with the antisemites he remembers, or has heard about, from his parents' early days, when they had to have a Christian friend buy their house for them in order not to antagonize neighbors. He's all too ready to see opposition to the mosque as "bigotry" -- the "bigotry" to which George Washington said "no sanction" should be given. He doesn't realize how many tens of thousands of mosques have been built recently all over the Western world, while over the same period only one tiny little unidentifiable-from-the-outside church has been erected in Qatar, and perhaps a similar one in Bahrain and another, if that, in the Emirates, all of them as nondescript as possible so as not to madden passing Muslims who might destroy such structures, or attack Christians, or attack the government for allowing such an outrage. He doesn't know what a mosque really is, why it is far more than, as he seems to think, a "house of worship." He doesn't know the symbolism of this particular mosque, the triumphalist note that the building of such a place would bring, the way it would swell Muslim hearts and minds not, as he appears to think, to appreciate the First Amendment, but rather to lead Muslims world-wide to believe that Islam is on the march, it is unstoppable. From the Temple Mount, to the Hagia Sophia, to the mosque a mile from the Vatican, to the mosque opened on the highest point, next to the Alhambra, in Grenada, to all the other mosques -- and now a mosque right there, over the opposition of the Infidels, right there a block or two from Ground-Zero. Bloomberg is a practical man, just a bit too practical, for he fails to grasp the symbolic significance of this mosque. He's limited. Limited, and very very rich. Abd there are others like him.

I guess this kinda' demolishes the Obamedia WaPo-orchestrated strategy to "denounce" (in Soviet show trial fashion) Cordoba House opponents.

"How many commentators will denounce GOP mosque strategy?"
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/08/how_many_commentators_will_den.html

The trouble with the whole GZM debate is that people persist in mistakenly describing Islam as a religion. Instead, it comprises three components:

1) Religion
2) Government
3) Military

The proposed building may well be the largest Moslem building in the world. Moslem activists could store a lotta weapons in that thing. They could even do urban warfare training exercises. Short of that they could house a lotta Imams there to administer the Sharia state, as it inevitably encroaches on the Constitution, as it recently did in New Jersey with that shocking court ruling last week.

The rats deserting a sinking ship! LOL!

GZ MoSlum's MosQue will become more or less next important sacred place after Macca/Medina/whatHaveyou. You watch them coming in mother lode from all corners of the world to kiss the ground in the name of the victory. It may become a kind of Islamic pilgrim to visit yearly...no point in guessing... it may be on each Sept 11th...oh, why? because that is the date they opened it! Sure enough, our idiot dhimies, there are plenty, classic case O-Bama, will dismiss the obvious connection to 9/11 and they will willingly follow the Islam agenda as their preferred choice of a political system. The media is mostly controlled by the Arabs, That aint changing any time soon.

It is clear why and how the MoSlums want to turn 9/11 into a celebratory day - Obama is already hinted at that.

Guys, it is time to take some serious action. I will do every thing that is in my power to STOP EVIL SPIRIT LANDING ONCE AGAIN ON THE SHORES OF NY CITY!!!!!

What a stinkin' wind blower, but if it helps stop this latest attack on NY/America, at least his political career could be somewhat justified.

'Bloomberg is pro-mosque. He opened a company two years ago in Dubai and today we find out that upcoming business will be so good that he will have to quadruple his staff...'

From the outset I thought there was money and not Constitutional principles involved. I personally thought that a shrewd Bloomberg anticipates NYC going under right after New York State's govt. becomes paralyzed with debt.
No-one will lend NYC money Except......oil rich Moslems. Bloomberg for the sake of his ego will re-sell Manhattan Island for $24. I hope this story from Bare Naked Islam has legs but I hope it has feet on the ground.

"but if it helps stop this latest attack on NY/America,"

You SOB, how dare you ?

>"GZ MoSlum's MosQue will become more or less next important sacred place after Macca/Medina/whatHaveyou. You watch them coming in mother lode from all corners of the world to kiss the ground in the name of the victory. It may become a kind of Islamic pilgrim to visit yearly...no point in guessing... it may be on each Sept 11th...oh, why?"

I agree with you!!! If this mosque is ever built anywhere near GZ, it will become a pilgrimage for Muslims all over the world and they may visit it on 9/11 for generations just like they go for Hajj. Americans should do everything in their power to stop building of this mosque. It has evil designs on America!!!

maxilo,

While my essay may not directly tackle your question, it analyzes the problematic context:

The problem with the opposition to the Ground Zero Mosque

All this illustrates is that a successful politician will sacrifice his principles, or even throw his grandmother under the bus to get elected.

Wow Hugh, I thought you were just an expert in history, religion, and foreign politics. Now you can psychoanalyze someone you've never met using only press releases and wikipedia.

Of course, you won't find many people disagreeing with you if you claim they are superior to one of the richest, most successful men of their generation. Because after all, you know the truth, and he is ignorant and blind.

Harry Reid came out against the ground zero mosque because his GOP opponent forced him to, after Obama turned what was a local issue into a national one. Reports are the GOP is telling its candidates to challenge their dem opponents to a take a stand on the GZ mosque. Do they stand with President Obama and Imam Rauf or with 70% of Americans and the 9/11 families. For most politicians the choice is clear.

It's got to kill harry to tell a lie he doesn't believe in.

I posted a link above showing a picture of Obama smiling. It reads, "When you see Obama smiling, you know an American just got hurt."

Is it fair? Is it right to use a slogan like that to diminish a president? Even a president who uses Ramadan to announce his support of a triumphal mosque at Ground Zero?

I don't know if it's fair. I think if I were an Israeli, or British, or Sudanese, or Coptic, or... whatever, whomever, I could see inserting myself in there. It tells, whether it's fair or not.

Obama hates us. I don't care if it's unfair to criticise him without an argument to back it up. Ad hominem works for me when a man just hates me for being alive at all.

http://nodhimmitude.blogspot.com/2010/08/when-obamas-smiling.html

Finally! I've been waiting for years to see talking heads speak in the language of anti-jihad.

This morning I saw Newt Gingrich used the term "Islamic Supremacism" on Fox News.

Now where'd he get that from?

Pat Caddell (Democratic pollster/cheerleader) threw around the word "sharia law" as if he knew what it meant!!

To me this is groundbreaking stuff.
Pretty soon, who knows, we may hear Alan Colmes declare "I ain't no dhimmi!"


SusanK wrote:
"Did anyone of you look into the zoning of that building? If it was Burlington coat factory, the zoning is commercial. For a mosque, the zoning must be changed for institutional."

According to the NYC Zoning Resolution, a mosque is considered a community facility and is permitted in a commercial zone. The building requires a change of occupancy and a new Certificate of Occupancy, but the zoning permits it.

Spot on wrote: "...snakes don't have backbones."

I'm afraid they do; they're reptiles and vertebrates, and so have backbones.
However worms don't.

I have to agree with many of the posters that the position by Harry Reid smells more of self-preservation than of conviction.

Team Obama is starting to get tripped up on the inherent contradiction of characterising Islam as a religion.
Its like characterising a dog as a paw.

Maxilo wrote:
"Mosques are a problem, muslims are a problem in so far as, as a group, they are carriers of a virus called islam. Freedom of religion can't be extended to islam, so why do we hear the opposite from you Robert or fom Geller ?"

Robert and Pamela have stated that mosques are not problematic in and of themselves, and require no monitoring?

Or is the opposite you are referring to is that neither Robert or Pamela have explicitly stated that mosques, and by extensions Muslims should be prohibited in totality, from western societies, since they have not acknowledged the inevitable push for consideration to Islam as Muslim populations grow?

Either way, I see no specific reference to what you are alluding to here in this thread. This was about Reid's departure from the typical pro-Islam talking point of the left, and a suspect one at that, espoused by Reid purely for political expediency.

That is...Harry "the war is lost" Reid.

A national disgrace...but we'll take it Harry. On this day, we welcome the input of even a spineless, milquetoast, putz like you.

That's a nightmare prospect isn't it: tens of thousands of Muslims undertaking a pilgrimage to the Mosque under cover of some reconciliation BS programme. It may seem far fetched but I don't think you can rule it out. Who's to say who will control the Mosque in the future? They are run by committees, there is no guarantee even if you believe Rauf is a "moderate" that he will determine the character of the Mosque in future. In Islam money buys influence more than it does in other religions because of its decentralised character, and we can imagine scenarios where say one of the Iranian government-run and well funded "charities" might buy some influence if there were some future Sunni/Shiah agreement.

Yes, your piece addresses my point. Either islam is, in its mainstream understanding acceptable, and there shouldn't be any opposition to the GZM, since in that case the terrorists weren't representative of their faith, or islam is unacceptable, which is Robert's position, and there shouldn't be any mosque built anywhere in the free world. But why then pretend that building a mosque distanced enough from GZ is alright ?

"after Obama turned what was a local issue into a national one"

It's always been a national issue. Anything concerning 9/11 and Ground Zero is automatically national. From sea to shining sea.

This "local issue" BS from Hussein was an attempt to minimize the mosk being built on GZ - an event which is anything but minimal, and anything but local.

Spot on wrote: "...snakes don't have backbones."

"I'm afraid they do; they're reptiles and vertebrates, and so have backbones."

Right, they're "lower vertebrates." Humans are the "higher vertebrates," with exceptions, of course, such as Harry Reid, Mayor Bloomberg, and our Islamophile president.

Spineless jellies. Phylum Cnidaria.

Opportunity knocks, and Reid has answered. Yeah this news has left a bitter-sweet taste in my mouth...

"Note to Feisal and Daisy:

When you have HARRY REID telling you to go elsewhere it's time to call it a day. Cut bait, fools!"

Good one.

No, this mosk "wild ride" isn't done! Gonna be fascinating to see what happens!

Hussein - this "mosk mess" you're in taps into the pleasure centers of my brain SO MUCH!

Sorry OT:

I offer Gary Bauer's "End of Day Report" and perspective on Obama and the mega-mosque ...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Monday, August 16, 2010

To: Friends & Supporters

From: Gary L. Bauer


COUNTDOWN TO VICTORY: 78 DAYS UNTIL THE 2010 ELECTIONS!


Obama Divorced From Reality

A few weeks ago, I suggested that President Obama ought to state his position on the proposed Ground Zero mega-mosque. Obama was quick to condemn the planned construction of new homes in Jerusalem, but he refused to comment on “a local zoning issue” in New York City.

The American people wanted to know whether President Obama would side with the 9/11 families or an imam with a questionable background and the mosque’s mystery funders. Friday night, at a White House Ramadan dinner, Barack Obama sided with the mosque organizers. That is all any voter needs to know about Obama’s mindset. Below is an excerpt of the president’s remarks and my analysis:

“But let me be clear: as a citizen, and as president, I believe that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as anyone else in this country. That includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances. This is America, and our commitment to religious freedom must be unshakeable. The principle that people of all faiths are welcome in this country … is essential to who we are.”

To be lectured by Barack Obama on religious liberty is beyond ironic. Obama is lock, stock and barrel a man of the Left. For the past 30 years, the Left has been at war with religious expression anywhere in the public square.

It has banned prayer in schools and suppressed the free speech rights of valedictorians. It has mocked “know-nothing” Americans for “clinging to their guns and religion” and put secular activists on our courts. Faithful taxpayers will be forced to pay for abortions as part of healthcare “reform,” and efforts to preserve traditional marriage are denounced as “bigoted” and “mean-spirited.” The modern Left has done its best to push faith into the closet.

But when the religion that birthed the 9/11 jihadists decides to build a 13-story shrine just yards away from the site of the worst terrorist attack on American soil, Obama lectures us on religious liberty. This latest decision is proof positive that Barack Obama does not understand the values and sentiments of the American people, especially while we are still at war around the world with jihadists. I believe these remarks demonstrate that Obama is irrevocably divorced from reality. The concerns of millions of Americans are underscored by the terrorist group Hamas’ applause for Obama’s comments.

If the president was intent on doing this, it could have been done more wisely and in ways that championed American values. For example, after Obama finished lecturing us about America’s commitment to religious liberty, he should have said the following: “Someday soon, I hope we’ll see a major Muslim nation afford the same rights to Christianity and Judaism.” But there was no such sentence. He is stuck in the same elitist mindset that suggests we have something to prove to Islam, when it is the opposite.

By all measures, America is a broadly Judeo-Christian nation. Yet we have no problem with religious liberty and tolerance. New York City is not lacking for mosques, but where are the cathedrals and synagogues in Mecca? If America became an 80% Muslim nation someday, would there still be religious liberty in this country? Where is the model Muslim nation today that proves Islam tolerates religious minorities?

The president has said repeatedly that he will focus like a laser beam on jobs, but this is the most unpredictable laser beam I have ever seen. (Even CBS News has noticed how many “top priorities” Obama seems to have.) A few weeks ago, Obama intentionally stirred up the immigration issue by attacking Arizona for trying to help the federal government enforce our immigration laws. Nervous Democrats campaigning for reelection were furious with the distraction from the economy.

Over the weekend, Obama gratuitously inserted himself into the mosque debate. Now Democrats are begging him to go back to immigration. Memo to Republican candidates: Put your Democrat opponents on defense. Ask them, “Do you agree with the 9/11 families or the president on the Ground Zero mosque?”

ACTION ITEM: We’re calling on Congress to investigate the funding behind the Ground Zero mosque. If Hamas thinks the mosque is a good idea, at least we should know how the $100 million project is being paid for. Click here to urge your elected leaders to take a stand.

Click here: http://capwiz.com/cwf/issues/alert/?alertid=15239476

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Imam Feisal Rauf is quoted as saying "there could be little progress in Western-Islamic relations until the U.S. acknowledged backing Middle East dictators"
So what's Rauf doing now, he's on a trip to the middle east to find 100 million in backing. (sponsored by the US State Dept.)

"The rats deserting a sinking ship! LOL!"

I'm laughing-out-loud here, too!

They've paddled themselves so far up Shiite Creek that even the rats are panicking!

Feisal and Daisy failed to reckon with a compelling opposition-group: the spirits of those 3,000 innocent victims, murdered by muslims on 9/11/2001. And those spirits, alive in our voices, never to be forgotten, will haunt and
harry these defilers and paint them with a thick coat of shame...


I posted a link above showing a picture of Obama smiling. It reads, "When you see Obama smiling, you know an American just got hurt."

Is it fair?
-------
"Bush lied, people died"

Fair?

"Bush: Al Qaeda Recruiter of the Year"

Fair?

"Bush Osama bin Laden, Have You Preyed Today, Support Religious Violence"

Fair?

"When you see Obama smiling, you know it's not gas; an American just got hurt"

That's FAIRER!

The minute I read this stunning The End Of Nations story I said that Jihad Watch blog’s readers absolutely have to have an opportunity to see this link: http://hubpages.com/hub/Global-Union-The-End-Of-Nations

There should no mosques at all in the USA and its territories. You cannot be tolerant to the most intolerant theology/fascism the world has ever seen. Have the Americans forgotten what Erdogan the Prime Minister of Turkey said about mosques. "The mosques are our barracks,the domes are our helmets, the minarets are our bayonets and the faithful are our soldiers".
He can't make it any plainer than this. Are you listening.

El,

Are you SURE it's not gas? LOL!!

G

Eleanor, it looks like you found me out: I don't care at all about fair when it comes to someone trying to destroy our nation and our people. All's fair, as they say.

Hey, I was hitting on you too a while back. I understand that on the Internet I can get away with letting you know that I'm particularly handsome and stuff, like, I dunno, smart? Ya know, stuff that girls go for. How am I doing so far? Well, if nothing else, I'm single again. That's got to count for something, right?

Till next time,

Yalla, [Best regards,] Dag.

Harry's a good student of Obama, ie: he's learning to use taqiyya.

He's also taken a stance against the mosque long after the issue first arose, not back when Bloomberg first publicly backed the mosque, not back when the NYC commission took a vote on it, not back when historical zoning was voted down by Bloomberg's lackies on the NYC commission, in other words, not back when his stance might have made a difference.

Now that his stance more than likely makes no difference, he speaks up for possible political gain.

Only people who continue to believe whatever Obama says will believe what Reid says.

"I'm afraid they do; they're reptiles and vertebrates, and so have backbones.
However worms don't."

Ebonystone,

Good point. I guess that is why they say that there is nothing lower than a worm. Very good point.

Good investigative reporting, Susan.

I am A Service-Connected Disabled Veteran. Every single death of American Military personnel lays at the feet of the last Presidential Administration and anyone who in ANY way supports the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Our troops should NOT be there, our troops were sent there by the lies of our highest elected officials.

Ex poster "Abdullah Mikail" used to claim that he was a veteran as well. I didn't believe him, just like I do not believe that "Dank" is a veteran either. I think that they are both full of crap.

Hugh really irks you, doesn't he? You should get over your resentment of Hugh's amazing intellect, intuitive genius, remarkable scope of knowledge, and envious writing talents and take advantage of the wisdom and information he so generously shares. You might learn something you don't want to know.

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