A follow-up to this video (thanks to all who sent this in).
American listeners might take issue with the comments about the First Amendment at 0:37. After all, we know who the dhimmis and useful idiots are because they keep talking, and are free to keep digging a deeper hole for their own credibility. What is most important is that we also remain free to continue calling them out on it. As ever, though, Condell's commentary is passionate, articulate, wide-ranging, and hard-hitting.
So, because Islam wouldn't allow such an "insult," America shouldn't either.
Is this like the one where America shouldn't allow any mosques because one Muslim country doesn't allow churches?
Emulation is the most sincere form of flattery.
I have been posting on this site for nearly 7-8 years now, and I've been saying for quite some time now that eventually we would get an American Alija Izetbegovic. Well it looks like we have him, Imam Rauf is our Alija, their writings are nearly identical ... we just lack a 40% Islamic population for the civil war at this point.
Emulation is the most sincere form of flattery.
Yes, we are fighting so hard to keep your culture out of ours because we are secretly so enamored by it.
Makes sense.
Every time you put fingers to keyboard you prove the retrograde effect of islam on human intelligence.
Pat Condell, you the man. Still and always.
You can't build a Mosque on that site for the same reason I can't build a large penis across the road, there both politically incorrect.
So, because Islam wouldn't allow such an "insult," America shouldn't either.
You moron. The mosque can be built and there is no legal way to block it. But is it nice? Is it really about healing?
What a dumbass you are Yusef coming here with your silly arguments about evil America where mohametans supposedly can't even build a victory mosque. The mosque can go ahead in America. That is our way because the government doesn't tell us what religion to believe in.
The mosque is a calculated insult and will be understood as such. Just as you are understood to be a dumbass.
nabi ZK (pbum)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yPRl8vYXBw
I just wrote the following replay below to a fellow atheist who supports the Mosque at ground zero in this youtube video.
Are you purposely lying or are you just ignorant about the mosque at ground zero? If it's not a Mosque then why do they keep bring up freedom of religion and tax exemption? Obviously if it is not a Mosque then freedom of religion and tax exemption does not apply here.Yet it does? Makes no sense. You can fall back on the argument from private property rights if you want to, but no one with intelligence is arguing against that point. I say they have a legal right to build it, but that doesn't make it right.
eg. If the non-violent KKK (eg. the david dukes) who share the same ideology as the violent KKK that carried out the bombing on the 16th Street baptist Church announced plans to build a shrine at the site of the 16th Street Baptist Church, would you be supporting their right to build it?
All those christians that conquered this land from the indians and set up churches wasn't right. Can I change that? I would like to. What I am trying to say is I am suprised that you think two wrongs make a right. You have no rational ground to stand on with this argument. It's a hindsight bias fallacy and non sequitur. How can you agree that it should follow that this Radical Muslim should be allowed to do this to the families of 9/11 victims like the Christians did it to the Indians and blacks? Why do you use history so obtusely to promote similar wrongheaded behavior?
Why not use this example from history to promote good prudence instead?
eg. The Catholic Church abandoned the convent at Auschwitz. The church ultimately bowed to concerns that well-meaning nuns served as a hurtful distraction to the memory of the many Jews killed at the camp, despite the fact Catholics also died there.
They didn't have to do this but it was an act of good purdence to do it.
http://www.wtop.com/?nid=25&sid=2029190
You see nothing wrong with a casino being built on the Gettysburg Battlefield? This is just another example of no purdence. Not to mention "275 historians including Pulitzer Prize winning Civil War historian James McPherson, other national historical preservationists continue to support NoCasino.org in opposing the casino."
The argument I am making is one from prudence because this mosque is being built at ground zero. This point isn't even up for debate. I don't care who's lied to you about it. It is a observable fact based on evidence. The landing gear and fuselage came out the north side of the tower and crashed through the roof and two of the floors of the Burlington Coat Factory.
Please look at my links to see how wrong you are.
http://www.aipnews.com/talk/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=16201&posts=1#M42254
http://bigpeace.com/mtodd/2010/08/24/the-mosque-is-at-ground-zero/
Rauf isn't some Muslim that wants to reform Islam. He isn't about getting along and respecting others. He's about creating division. Open your eyes this Mosque isn't going to bring peace. He's even on record saying he wants to replace secular governments with Sharia law...
"In his interview on Hadiyul-Islam by Sa'da Abdul Maksoud, Abdul Rauf was asked his views on Sharia (Islamic religious law) and the Islamic state. He responded:
"Throughout my discussions with contemporary Muslim theologians, it is clear an Islamic state can be established in more than just a single form or mold. It can be established through a kingdom or a democracy. The important issue is to establish the general fundamentals of Sharia that are required to govern. It is known that there are sets of standards that are accepted by [Muslim] scholars to organize the relationships between government and the governed."
When questioned about this, Abdul Rauf continued: "Current governments are unjust and do not follow Islamic laws." He added:
"New laws were permitted after the death of Muhammad, so long of course that these laws do not contradict the Quran or the Deeds of Muhammad ... so they create institutions that assure no conflicts with Sharia. [emphasis in translation]"
Rauf is not only a double talker but he has been involved in bad stuff a well. (read the links below) As an atheist I just don't trust his motives one bit. I'm sickened that you don't know any of this or just don't care to know it. I realize none of this means he can't still legally build it there, but I also understand no sensible atheist would pimp Rauf's cause like you're doing.
http://tool.donation-net.net/Images/Email/1097/Feisal_Abdul_Rauf_Investigative_Report.pdf
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/05/911-mosque-imam-lying-to-the-american-people.html
If you support Sharia law in any form please don't even call yourself an atheist or humantarian any more. Call yourself a non-violent Muslim who discreetly supports Allah's wickedness and others that try to carry it out.
http://frontpagemag.com/2010/08/27/sharia-for-dummies/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.onelawforall.org.uk%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2FNew-Report-Sharia-Law-in-Britain.pdf&h=6d6bc
That's all I have to say.
One structure that might be mentioned in connection with this proposed mosque is the Qutub Minar in Delhi. This minaret is sometimes known as the Muslim victory tower, the building of which was begun in 1193,commemorates the conquest of Northern India from its last Hindu rulers. Naturally it was placed in the ruins of the Hindus' citadel, in their capital. Muslims like these things to be conspicuous: at 238 feet it's the tallest brick built minaret in the world.
Who exactly is under the impression that if we explain carefully enough why we don't want Islam dominating our country those in favor of the proposition will take notice?
Muslims are out to dominate the world and the Left is either willfully ignorant or cooperating with Islam in our destruction. How many decades do the commie-libs have to give aid and comfort to every enemy of Western Civ before it's OK to mention they are giving aid and comfort to this enemy of Western Civ?
The commie-libs and the Muslims both want to burn the world to ashes and rebuild it in their own way. They cooperate with each other because each group thinks they are smarter and stronger then their ally.
@ Yusef YK
Tut, tut, Yusef. You're still defending a religion invented by a 'prophet' who claimed to be revealing what had already been revealed. Islam gave us absolutely nothing new. You should know better!
Anyway, it's not about emulation being the sincerest form of flattery, it's Islam repeating the historical pattern of building mosques to signify a military victory for Islam. A so-called religion based on the biggest lie ever told shouldn't be allowed to build anything anywhere.
Understand?
Unfortunately, Pat Condell questions Israel's legitimacy, albeit politely. I can no longer take him seriously.
I take no issue with Condell's comments about the First Amendment. He's right on the money. Islam is a totalitarian religio-political regime, and it should not have First Amendment protection. Imagine if Communism rebranded itself a religion and advocated the overthrow of the Constitution, as Islam does. We would not stand for that, and we should not stand for this.
Yusef serves us what he thinks is a great argument. That is if we don't accept islam we would behave like Saudi Arabia. This is sophistry for children, and muslims like it of course.
We don't intend to forbid or discriminate against all religions, like muslims do, but just islam and just because this one religion isn't nice to others. Fighting islam we remain true to ourselves, uphold our free and tolerant society and stay away from anything islam recommends.
Us government officials have been sacked or demoted for lesser slights than this, yet Coach Rauf keeps getting the taxpayer dime to spew his hate against the American people in the name of bridge building? The citizen backlash falls on deaf ears. The electorate want CHANGE, and not Obama's version of CHANGE. Vote for change.
Yusef YK, you are a member of this blog. Have you not learned anything? Islam is a monumental evil on this planet. Evil must never be allowed a monument. Hence its triumphalist project must be stopped.
tscottme: "Muslims are out to dominate the world and the Left is either willfully ignorant or cooperating with Islam in our destruction..."
You are very right. It is such an unlikely partnership where rabid islam is cynically exploiting atheists to gain traction in out society. Leftists better watchout. There is a precedent in Indonesia where muslims massacred communists as atheists; about 100,000 were killed.
This is addressed to our hopeless Troll who, with his cheap one shots, never learns anything.
Definition of a Troll (internet): "In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion."
To me, a Troll is somehow who 'hits and runs' without any intelligent arguments to back up anything said. Sounds familiar, Yusef? Now you learned something.
Pat Condell has it right about Islam, unfortunately he is anti Christian and anti Jewish also. He appears to be an atheist. Google him with these terms and check it out. Perhaps Jihad Watch should comment on this and if they know about it and have decided to promote him anyway.
Pat Condell has it right about Islam, unfortunately he is anti Christian and anti Jewish also. He appears to be an atheist. Google him with these terms and check it out. Perhaps Jihad Watch should comment on this and if they know about it and have decided to promote him anyway.
PapaBear,
Does it really, in this context, matter if Pat Condell is an atheist or an animist or an Anglican ? I think not.
This struggle is about the Jihadis (and their Leftist tools) versus everyone else.
As of now, we are largely free to follow whatever belief-system we choose, but the forces that the GZM represents will, if they are not defeated, end that freedom for all of us. And that perhaps for a thousand years.
If we happen to live to see the end of this struggle, then you can spar with Pat all you want, but for now I believe that Pat is on the same side as you and me and our revered hosts at JW.
Dear Yusef,
Unlike Islam's ban of construction of churches, Americans and Canadians have allowed hundreds of mosques to be built in our countries. In hindsight, this was a naive move based on a lack of knowledge of what Islam is all about: love of death, hatred of non-muslims, and a desire to move backward instead of forward. We will never emulate such a demented, loveless, and unprogressive way of life. The objection to the premature victory mega-mosque near Ground Zero is based on the insensitivity of suggesting the construction of a mosque on this land--sacred to Western democracy--and the lack of financial transparency exhibited by the would-be builders, one of whom appears to be a front man for a nefarious Islamic organization known as the Muslim Brotherhood. What persons, except perhaps the criminally insane, would want to emulate your precious Islam?
In the former Yugoslavia Dhimmis Bush I, Bill (with Hillary) Clinton, then Bush II all shilled for peaceful, tolerant Islam. Yugoslav soldiers were murdered in barracks by Muslim Albanians. In central Bosnia in December 1994 mujahedin came to Croat houses and ordered these Catholic families to take down their Christmas decorations as such harmful to Islam. Tens of thousands of Catholic Croats and Orthodox Serbs were “ethnically cleansed” from Muslim dominated central Bosnia. In 1970 Bosnian Muslim leader Alija Izetbegovic published a tract entitled Islamska Deklaracija (Islamic Declaration), re-issued in 1990, two years before the war was started by US-backed secessionists. Jews left for Serbia. Here is the key passage: “There can be no coexistence between Islamic faith and non-Islamic social structures. There is, therefore, no secular principle. The Islamic movement must and can take over power as soon as it is morally and numerically strong enough, not only to destroy the non-Islamic power, but to build up a new Islamic one.”-- Bosnia & Kosovo are now Europe's 2nd and 3rd Islamic states. And with heart-felt gratitude Muslims now love the USA.
Blumberg supporting sharia in Dubai is that what he said ? , ok let me make it easy on you just Blame the JEWS...
OT. If you click on the red "this video" link on the line immediately after the video clip above, you'll find that, as of my comment from today at the end, the earlier story has amassed a whopping 675 comments, stretching back to its June 4 posting. The story still accepts comments.