Pakistan: Flood aid withheld from "non-Muslim" Ahmadis as country depends on aid from... non-Muslims

Just in the past few days, the wealthy Gulf states and the Organization of the Islamic Conference have come fashionably late to the party after weeks of leaving aid groups, international media, and other people Allah hates for asking too many questions (Sahih Bukhari 2.24.555) wondering what the holdup was. Note in particular, at the summary linked above, the fabulous bonanza from Kuwait, of an astronomical $5 million dollars.

Non-Muslim nations continue to bear the brunt of demonstrating the compassion and generosity that the petrodollar-glutted Gulf nations won't. Meanwhile, in Pakistan: aid from non-Muslims? Bring it on! Send more! (Well, maybe not you, India.) Aid to non-Muslims? If you're lucky. And it's not the first time Muslims in Pakistan have attempted to coerce non-Muslims to convert by blackmailing them with hunger and the withholding of life's most basic essentials.

Quid pro quo, kuffar. "The politics of relief: Aliens in their own land," by Abdul Manan for the Express Tribune, August 18 (thanks to GS):

The government and local clerics refused to shelter around 500 flood-affected families belonging to the Ahmadiya community in South Punjab's relief camps. Not only that, the government also did not send relief goods to the flood-hit areas belonging to the Ahmadiya community, The Express Tribune has learnt during a visit to the devastated Punjab districts of Muzaffargarh, Dera Ghazi Khan and Rajanpur.
For its part, the government claims that all relief goods are being distributed among survivors without discrimination. And that all survivors have been sheltered in relief camps without distinction. The flood-devastated families from the Ahmadiya community have strongly criticised the government's "discriminatory attitude" even at a time when the entire country is reeling from the ravages of the worst flooding in living memory.
Of the 500 Ahmadi families, 350 belong to DG Khan, 60 to Muzaffargarh and 65 to Rajanpur district. According to Ahmadiya community leaders, over 2,500 members of their community have been displaced and are now living with their relatives while some of them have left for Rabwah, the community's headquarters.
Aziz Ahmad Khan, a local leader of flood victims from the Ahmadiya community in DG Khan, told The Express Tribune that all members of his family have complained of discrimination in DG Khan. He said 200 families from Basti Rindan and Basti Sohrani, 60 from Chah Ismaeel Wala, three from Rakh Mor Jangi, 18 from Ghazi Ghat and 12 from Jhakar Imam Shah of Ahmadpur. Khan alleged that 200 families, who have been displaced from Basti Rindan and Basti Sohrani by flooding, took shelter in a state-run school at Jhok Utra but within days the local administration forced them to leave the school. He said the local administration later told them that people from the surrounding areas did not want the Ahmadis in the relief camp. And that the administration could not allow them to stay at the camp as it could create a law and order situation....
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Wonder if our old friend Naseem is among the starving Ahmediyas...

the administration could not allow [the Ahmadis] to stay at the camp as it could create a law and order situation

Hang on, isn't everything in a life a "law and order situation" in one way or another, that's why we have the rule of law, to ensure that the peace law and order brings benefits everyone.

There is no compulsion in Islam ...and apparently no compassion either...

Islam....it's a lie

I was listening to some commentators on TV earlier today discussing the "Ground Zero Mosque"...They keep harping on how any religion is allowed places to pray in America...and how banning the mosque building would be a hate crime..apparently they fail to recognize what Islam is all about and just how different it is from other religions...The treatment that Muslims dish out to non Muslims (and even Muslims) that occurs every day ...this situation in Pakistan is but one example rgR should raise questions about ever allowing this type of garbage anywhere around your people..

Perhaps this idea of allowing all religions on your land needs to be changed...considering not all religions are "religions"...These commentators had better start learning about what Islam brings to the table...and Islam brings nothing good....

well surprise surprise...NOT...
just about the most, corrupt country in the world, including the government ;-)
brings on a reminicence of haiti/thailand, where, if my memories correct, muslim aid found itself in all that desolation, winging first to, guess who :-, no matter
the desperation,(out the way infidel, brother to support)

is it any wonder, the man in the street shows a degree of reluctance,
"it is beyond any nations capability to give the vast amount of millions required, to finance assistance to pakistan"
hmmm! i bet!

OT - but relevant to discussion: Pakistani flood victims' anger at US - BBC News

Some criticised the government, saying the aid was not fairly distributed.
Others blamed the West, including the US, for failing to give enough help.
One man turned his anger on me: "What about your country?" he said, heatedly. "Why aren't you giving more?"

Why aren't we "giving more"???!! Enough! Work out your own problems, stop begging for jyzia from us, and turn to your Allah for help, 'inshallah'. Beg from your cherished Ummah, Saudi Arabia, UAE, etc. Stop begging from us.

We have had enough.


Why aren't we "giving more"???!!

Don't come to me demanding help. Try another God, one that doesn't lead you to kill and destroy. Islamic nations are full of misery of their own making. You reap what you sow.

Saudi Arabia alone has one trillion dollars stashed away. The United Arab Emirates has another one trillion -- and only one million native Arabs to share it. Kuwait has many hundreds of billions, and do does even tinier Qatar. And yet year after year, whether it is for aid following natural disasters, or the aid that is regularly given simply to keep Muslims who do not have the accident of geology that permits some of them to become fabulously rich without lifting a finger, to keep from living in "failed states" or keep from getting too disturbed and resentful lest they become "violent extremists" (and that would never do, but as long as they do not become "violent extremists" we are supposed to put our faith in them, and not to worry), it is the non-Muslims, especially those in North America and Western Europe, who keep supplying the billions, the tens of billions, the hundreds of billions, or even, as in the case of the American government in Iraq and what is called Af-Pak, three trillion dollars (this is the real figure, as calculated by economist Joseph Stiglitz).

All over the Western world people are fed up with this. They may not yet understand, quite, how it is that the economic fissures within the Camp of Islam can and should be pointed out, and the failure of the rich Arab statelets to come to the aid, except in disgustingly derisory amounts, of fellow members of the Umma -- who they see as only useful as cannon fodder in the war against Infidels, but not as people who deserve support. And this economic gap should also be seen as reflecting, as it does, the Arab sense of supremacy, that sense that their gift was Islam, and so they've already "given at the office" with that gift, and for 1350 years, Islam has been a vehicle for that Arab supremacity, beginning, but not ending, with linguistic and cultural imperialism.

This needs to be noted, on the airwaves, in the press, everywhere, and above all, needs to be overheard by non-Arab Muslims who may begin to question -- say, among some of the more advanced and aware people in Pakistan -- the "unity of the Umma" and may, once they understand what it means to say that "Islam is a vehicle for Arab supremacism" may start to see things aright, or at least lose a little of their enthusiasm for Islam. And that would be a good thimg, in the process of dividing and demoralizing those who. because of Islam and the attitudes it inculcates, are not and cannot be anything but our enemy.

Errata Sheet:

For "supremacity" read "supremacism"

Sorry. Flying fingers.

muhammad came to deprive men & women of life, as demonstrated by muslims many times throughout the centuries -- but Jesus came to give life more abundantly:

Jesus declared, "I am the bread of life. He who comes to me will never go hungry, and he who believes in me will never be thirsty." -- John 6:35

This may sound heartless, but I am not willing to see a penny of my taxes go to help the scum in porkistan. Let their allah take care of them. And they have the nerve to DEMAND that the west(and others) do more? When have the muslims done anything for others? Look at the response of their muslim "brothers" in Arab lands.

"And that the administration could not allow them to stay at the camp as it could create a law and order situation...."


you mean like Muslims becoming "offended" and then attacking...?

You just can't spare us your cheap proselytising, eh? We know fundies like you believe you have a monomoly on truth, but there are atheists, buddhists, hindus, jews here, so just refrain from your in your face jesus madness. Do we want to have people using this forum to promote their own religious brand and claim their own man-God is the best ? I sure don't want it, personally.

Pakistan: Flood aid withheld from "non-Muslim" Ahmadis as country depends on aid from... non-Muslims
.................

I imagine this comes as a surprise to no one here.

I'm sure we'll soon hear entirely predictable news stories of whatever few remaining Christians, Hindus, and Sikhs in the flood zone being denied aid, as well.

An excellent book for you to read is Robert Spencer's:

"Religion of Peace? Why Christianity Is And Islam Isn't"

Also, Marisol posted a comment in June '10, so I offer it now:

~~~~~~~~~~

Wellington-- thanks for your kind words. I hope all is well with you and yours, also.

What I mean by "non-sectarian" is that the site welcomes participation from any adherent of any faith (including secular and ex-Muslims who don't try to defend the defects inherent in Islamic law). The cause is far bigger than any one denomination or belief system, and we all have a stake in resisting jihad in all its forms, so the last thing we want to do is give the impression that some are more welcome, and others less.

So, proselytizing and postings along similar lines are off-topic, and that's the sort of thing what I was getting at above.

Textual/doctrinal comparisons between Islam and Christianity or a variety of other religions can be very, very useful. One of my favorite parts of Robert's Politically Incorrect Guide is the series of "Jesus vs. Muhammad" sidebars.

"Non-sectarian" doesn't mean you can't mention religion, or your own religion -- I'm a practicing Catholic myself, and from an extended family that includes a pretty broad spectrum of denominations, beliefs and practices, and that background certainly informs the set of values and rights I want to defend against Sharia.

I guess, in summary, that you could say we ask that people take an approach here that doesn't create divisions over issues that are not central to the task at hand.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Sorry, but JW DOES in fact support my above comment. Take care.

For that reason some prefer to donate through barnabasfund .

PS ...

Please pay particular attention to this part of Marisol's comment:

"Textual/doctrinal comparisons between Islam and Christianity or a variety of other religions can be very, very useful."

Again, I am exercising my religious freedom of speech as outlined and defined by Jihad Watch, and I will continue to do so.

That's what *my* family did.

Why the hell isn't this on the MSM? One way to get the muslim world to change is embarrass the f**k out of them. At the very least it will expose muslims for being the real bigoted, apartheid hate-mongers that they keep calling us.

Would we do such a thing for the Nazis? And as Marisol said just look at how other muslim countries treat their own. No tolerance for the intolerant and no compassion for those without compassion for others.

From http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2010/0818/Why-many-Pakistani-Americans-aren-t-sending-flood-donations-home

[Why many Pakistani-Americans aren't sending flood donations home?

Many Pakistani-Americans say they are reluctant to donate to Pakistan flood relief efforts because they think their money will only line the pockets of a government they see as corrupt. ]

So, looks like even Pakistani Americans are hesitant to support their own flood affected....

"We know fundies like you believe you have a monomoly on truth..."

Who's we, and what is a 'fundie' and a 'monomoly?'

Hey! Give champ a break. It is good to compare Mohammed and Jesus. The author(s) of the Qur'an took a good bit of material from both Christianity and Judaism. Yet despite this, Mohammed is keen on killing Christians and Jews. You'd think that Muslims would feel guilty about this, but apparently not.

Champ and I get along just fine, just proving that all religions have something in common, save Islam.

I don't need your condescending recommendations on any book. I probably beleive in Jesus more deeply than your ostentatious ways falsly misleads people.

Of course religious comparisons with Islam are welcome, but there's a way to do it, and anything that resembles a statement insinuating that your religion is the ONE, isn't pleasant to read for others, just as if I was sugggesting that Buddha is the only way regularly here, I would certainly be an insensitive fanatical moron, even if I had the right to be according to directives. So gongrats!

Thank you, Tanstaafl! ...and for the sake of comradery, I do make every effort to keep my comments regarding my faith within the context of the headline and/or the dialogue :)

You stated: "...and anything that resembles a statement insinuating that your religion is the ONE," ...

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." -- John 14:6

Jesus himself stated that He is the ONE way to God, so in truth, you actually disagree with Jesus, not me.

Additionally ...

From Marisol's above comment, note her enthusiasm over one of Robert's books, here:

"One of my favorite parts of Robert's Politically Incorrect Guide is the series of 'Jesus vs. Muhammad' sidebars."

Oftentimes I reference "Jesus vs Muhammad", because I am just as enthusiastic over this comparison as well. And for someone claiming to be so deeply in love with Jesus, I am very surprised at your attitude.

Thank you, Marisol ...I was typing my comment before yours had posted, so I greatly appreciate your reply :)

I do wish you the very best, maxilo ...and hope that you and yours are well.


Maxilo, you seem to think you're the spokesman for everyone here. Not for me, pal!

Just a little suggestion, sir. Drop the attacks on Champ. She's proven herself here and if she wants to declare her faith, she's earned the right. Anyone with a brain would be grateful to have her on his side. And, if you haven't noticed, she's as on-our-side as it gets!

You've already come-off like a creep. I hope you'll quit while you're behind...

'Medina' asks - "Who's we, and what is a 'fundie' and a 'monomoly?' "
Lemme take a stab at it -
A 'fundie' is a muslim who believes that it is fun to die as a martyr.
A 'monomaly' is a single anomaly.
There! All cleared up! :-D :-D
------------------------------------------------
'Marisol' wrote "... the contrast in ideas of "martyrdom" (exploding vs. non-exploding) :-D
I can see it on Wikipedia now -
Martyrdom -
A. Exploding
B. Non-Exploding

:-D :-D

Hey, George ...thank you, my friend! :)

xoxo

Gulf states & OIC are smarter unlike us.

Danny Boyle of Slumdog Millionaire became wiser after getting his fingers badly burnt. Little did he know of the good business of greed made by slumdogs in the name of charities.

He took pity on the young muslim girl Rubaina & her brother Azhar who acted in his film. Donated a lot of money towards her education , her brothers' her family's welfare.

Only to discover much later she was NOT going to school. And the entire family turned so avaricious demanding more .

Not content with a 25 lakhs flat , her family upped the demand to a 40 lakhs apartment. Azhar wanted a ‘small car’ being suddenly ‘scared’ to travel by auto rickshaw.


I agree with you, fitna. Embarrass them.

The MSM really needs to cover the rampant political and business corruption in Pakistan.

Holy Jim Foster, Batman!

;-)

"Holy Jim Foster, Batman!"

LOL!!!!!! ...noooo kidding! ..you're 2funny :-D

I usually donate only through the Salvation Army because I know from personal experience that the money will go exactly where it is meant to go. Unfortunately I knew the man who was the head of the SA in Pakistan. He was forced to leave under cover of darkness and other clandestine methods after the Muslims threatened his and his family's lives. He loved the people there and regretted the necessity of leaving,the Salvation Army was warned to get him out fast and they did so. (The SA does not go where they are not allowed to control everything that they do. this means that nothing gets into the hands of corrupt governments or people. The money trail is very strictly regulated and anyone messing with it is let go immediately.) He told me the story himself. Therefore; Pakistan will get no money from me.

I had been feeling compassionate for these suffering people, about to send money. Hearing this . . . it plunges me into despair.

There is something unfixable about them. They are not human. Maybe humanity-with-a-capital-H would be better off without them as part of it - yes, that is horrible for me to say, and I'm ashamed - but how can they sit there and let some few among them suffer triply in agony, fall to more and more deaths in the second and third waves, and feel smug and certain of the rightness of it all because they are the preferred people?

I am becoming more and more frightened of this sect of people who are missing hearts and souls. Loving gestures of care and solicitude teach them nothing about soft and strong humanity: they learn only to refine methods of usury and manipulation. I see this on macro levels such as these that JihadWatch chronicles so well; and I know this from the micro levels of my past personal life (thank God, now past.)

Not *totally* unfixable.

There are those who leave, and recover their humanity, by the grace of the Holy One. (And I include among those, not only the ones who become Christian, but those who manage to leave Islam but declare themselves atheist or agnostic; speaking as a Christian, with a strong sense of the demonic powers involved in Islam, I do not think anyone leaves it without having had divine help, whether they know it or not).

Rifqa Bary is one of the more famous cases. Google 'Hannah Shah' to find out about another one.

Canon Andrew White, at St George's church, Baghdad, instructed and baptised (at their request), on one occasion, 13 people who had once been Muslims, but who chose to leave Islam and embrace Christ.

He knew the danger they were going to be in. He hesitated; but they insisted; they wanted to be baptised, and they were.

Within the month eleven of them had been killed, by Muslims imposing the punishment for apostasy. Only the two who had been most careful about who they let know of their change of religion, remained alive.

There are eleven true martyrs - not like the murder-'martyrs' of Islam, but real martyrs, peaceful witnesses to Christ - crowned with the crown of life; formerly Iraqi Muslims, now members of what the liturgy calls the Company of Heaven.

We have no way of knowing how many others have suffered the same way, down through the centuries; drawn by the real God to seek beyond Islam; coming, like Nicodemus, to their local Christian by night, for fear of endangering themselves and their Christian instructor; baptised; and then ...sooner or later, killed for their change of faith. There are former Muslims, now Christian, forming a secret underground church in Somalia, today; they are killed by the jihadists, whenever they are detected.

The former Bishop of Rochester, Michael Nazir-Ali, was born in Pakistan to parents who had converted from Islam to Christianity (their conversion probably took place during the era of British rule, when such a move was a bit safer), and who raised him as a Christian. His very name - Nazir-Ali - combines a Muslim surname 'Ali' with the 'Nazir' of 'Nazarene', which like 'Masih' indicates Christian faith.

If you are a Christian, pray each Friday for two things: for the defeat of the Jihad, and for the conversion of Muslims to Christ.

Our Lord's advice to his people to be 'wise as serpents' is particularly needed for those Christians he calls to testify to Muslims; and such also will have to exercise the authority He coolly gave his disciples when he told them to cast out demons, raise the dead and heal the sick. For any Muslim to leave Islam is, as far as I am concerned, a miracle fit to be described in exactly those terms: it is an event equivalent to a sick person being healed, a dead person being made alive, and a possessed person being freed of a demon.

I mean that. And that's why - while supporting evangelism amongst Muslims already here, and campaigns such as Fr Zakaria Botros' 'Life TV' satellite program aimed at deprogramming Muslims inside dar al Islam - I also totally support practical political measures of civilisational self-defence, such as preventing Muslims from immigrating into non-Muslim countries.

I think Hugh's idea of forcing Muslims to endure the consequences of Islam, is actually, in the long term, an example of Tough Love: just as sometimes one has to allow a drug addict or alcoholic to reach rock bottom, rather than rescuing them from consequences.

Some Muslims (like some people in other cultures) are indeed *born* psychopaths, due to some tragic genetic glitch, and take to Islam's psychopathic programme like ducks to water; it suits them and satisfies them; those, I think, are as incorrigible as the born psychos in our own society; not much to be done there.

Others are 'artificial' psychopaths, forcibly programmed that way by Islam; if born into a different kind of society, they'd have developed to be what we call neurologically normal, no better or worse than the average person. It's the latter group who do, sometimes, rebel against the programming, and latch onto alternatives if such are encountered. The programming is, however, very strong, and as I said before I don't think they break free without divine intervention.

"If you are a Christian, pray each Friday for two things: for the defeat of the Jihad, and for the conversion of Muslims to Christ."

Agreed, dda ...that is a wonderful plan :)

Of course Saudi and the others are sending aid. How to you think the banned organizations 'aid' people? :D

And of course, I don't remember stuff like "thank you for your help. It made a difference" Its always "not enough"

Heck, people give up if no matter what they do, the result is the same.

People in camps are being turned back for religious reasons, for not having identity papers..... there are reports of food being served, but blankets and other commodities being 'stored'.

Most crises have stories of individual bravery and sacrifice as victims come together. Here, we hear of people refusing shelter (that they don't even own themselves) to others. Stories of the human spirit are about people staying home to protect their property in spite of floods and holding their food over their heads.

Rescue begins from ground zero. Okay, the government did nothing, what are the people doing? We hear tales of people with their homes intact hounding the aid, while there are entire regions where people have no shelter, food, water or any access to the rest of the world.

This flood shows me a side of Pakistan even the cynic in me had not expected.

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