Stand with us on September 11

On September 11, 2010, we're going to stand for America.

Don't spit in our face and tell us it's raining. Over seventy percent of Americans oppose the Islamic supremacist mega-mosque at Ground Zero. We oppose it because it is an insult, an offense to the memories of those who were killed in the name of Islam at the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001. We oppose it because it will be understood all over the Islamic world as a victory mosque marking that heinous mass-murder nine years ago. And we oppose it because the mosque leaders have an ever-lengthening record of dishonesty -- dishonesty about their intentions, their funding, their support for jihad terrorism, and more.

We oppose the mega-mosque because we believe in the freedom of speech, which the Ground Zero mosque Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf has called for restricting. We stand for the freedom of conscience and the equality of rights of all people before the law, which the Sharia that Rauf defends and propagates would deny to free people.

A giant mosque looking down at the cemetery of Ground Zero from the location of a building that was partially destroyed in the 9/11 Islamic jihad attack on America is wrong. It is indecent. The Burlington Coat Factory building, severely damaged when part of one of the 9/11 planes crashed through its roof, is Ground Zero.

On June 6, we organized a protest against the mega-mosque that was attended by 8,000 to 10,000 people. And now we're inviting you to join us again on September 11 at 3PM, at the corner of Park Place and West Broadway in lower Manhattan. We chose September 11 because reports have indicated that the Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf and Daisy Khan said that they would break ground on the tenth anniversary of the 9/11 attacks: September 11, 2011.

We will honor the victims and all Americans, and fill Ground Zero with patriots. We will begin with a brief memorial service honoring the victims, and are not starting our rally until the morning memorial services for the victims are concluded.

Our rally will be on September 11 at 3PM in lower Manhattan, at the corner of Park Place and West Broadway.

Speakers will include 9/11 family members, former U.S. Ambassador to the UN John Bolton; Dutch freedom fighter Geert Wilders (LIVE!); journalist Andrew Breitbart (either live or via video stream); NY Senate candidate Gary Berntsen; war hero and NC Congressional candidate Ilario Pantano; actress and activist Susan Olsen (Cindy Brady on TV's Brady Bunch); NY Congressional candidate and 9/11 first responder Michael Grimm; Coptic Christian activist Joseph Nassralla; a spokesman for the ACLJ, and other freedom fighters and proud Americans.

Our expenses for this are enormous. The staging and video screen for the speakers who will be joining us remotely costs over $12,000 alone. We also have to hire a large number of security guards: our speakers need to be guarded from the proponents of "tolerance" and "multiculturalism." Both of us have received recent, specific death threats from the supporters of the "moderate" Ground Zero mosque. And we need people patrolling through the crowd, ejecting plants and agitators trying to create an incident that the Leftist media can exploit to tar opponents of the mosque as racists and bigots. We need money for posters, fliers, press releases, food and lodging for speakers, and more.

It's a massive undertaking, and we need your help. Our total expenses for this rally could exceed $50,000. Politico is answering Nancy Pelosi's authoritarian, un-American call to investigate opponents of the mosque, and is nosing around our finances -- all they'll discover is that we have no huge donations, and are relying on the support of free Americans to make this rally a reality. Please consider giving $100. If we could find just 500 people who could each give that amount, we would be able to meet most or all of our expenses. If you can't give $100, please give what you can and what you think this cause warrants. Donations to Jihad Watch will be devoted to the mosque rally, and are tax-deductible.

Make your tax-deductible donation here.

Thank you for your stand for liberty.

Yours in defense of freedom,
Pamela Geller
Robert Spencer

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I will be able to make a small contribution soon as the Social Security check comes in -- hey Pelosi, could you spot me a few million? Also I plan to be down there fairly early Saturday morning and will volunteer for anything useful I can do to help.

I'd love to make a contribution, but I'd prefer to do it by mail. Can you give us a mail-in address for these specific donations?

God bless you for your good work.

We oppose it because it will be understood all over the Islamic world as a victory mosque marking that heinous mass-murder nine years ago.

Of the many valid reasons to oppose the mosque, this one is probably the most important...It relates directly to jihad, Islamic supremacy, and Islamic hegemony...Islam must not be allowed 'victory' in America...'To the victor go the spoils'.
Allah said so, and he is always right...except when he is not...

Cindy Brady? orly? For some strange reason, that brought a big grin to my face.

I'll be making a donation and will be there on 9/11.

By the way, I wonder if people would have a problem with a 15 story Mosque being erected 600 ft from the point of impact of Flight 93 in Pennsylvania?

The donation link is set up for convenience, and also for safety. Robert is not going to give a mailing address, nor should he.

And those of you who continue to ask for one seem mighty suspicious to me. So, back off.

Luv you folks for doing what you're doing. Though I can't spare a shirt-button, as of yet, due to somewhat precarious circumßtances, if I had a diamond in me hand it'd be yôurs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Tfh2PnvTnY&feature=related

You should all watch this youtube video on how this 2 year old girl is taught that "Jews are under Allah's wrath and that Christians are misguided" Brainwashing at an early age....Yet we want to allow people who do not believe in religious freedom, freedom in this country?

It is almost like allowing a criminal who believes that rape, stealing and murdering is all fair game freedom. Absurd!

This is Moorthy Muthuswamy, author of the new book Defeating Political Islam: The New Cold War

I am contributing my $100 today in support of this undertaking.

I urge all of you to do the same, if you are able. By doing so, you are going to help create and be part of history.

Finally, we are coming around to mobilizing a mass movement to resist and to eventually defeat the Islamic onslaught that has gone on for centuries, now poised to extinguish us.

Go Pam! Go Robert!

This is not an issue of americans alone. If liberal muslims really want to do anything, it is in Afghanistan. Another Girls' school has been poisoned and young girl students are admitted in hospital for gas poisoning. Instead of inspiring native population either against pakistan or Taliban (preferably both) is a task to be taken urgently. Let them go and preach in Afghanistan to oppose the Taliban, liberate women in general. After this most urgent task, let US begin the conversation whether Ground Zero Mosque is needed or not

Luckyman411

Hi,

It could be a good idea to have a P.O.box address safe for the organizers and also convenient for those who want to mail in their contribution checks.

>"By the way, I wonder if people would have a problem with a 15 story Mosque being erected 600 ft from the point of impact of Flight 93 in Pennsylvania?"

I understand there is already a crescent moon or some such Islamic symbol pointing to Mecca on the memorial for Flight 93 passengers - the courageous ones who saved either US Capitol or White House from a disastrous fate like Twin Towers and Pentagon. There was lot of talk about it and many family members were opposed to this sign but of no avail. This memorial was constructed over the objections of the family members. So the Muslims achieved their objective of having their symbol on the hallowed grounds.

Now they are trying to do this over Ground Zero over the objections of majority of Americans including the family members. Stealth jihad and Islamic supremacy being helped by the likes of Mayor Bloomberg Khan andf the likes of NYT, Newsweek, Times and the whole PC crowd!!!

Yes,I heard about it recently.JW and all Americans need to expose it and let the whole country and the world known about this Mosque building project going on there.They keep insulting us.We must all stand up !

You da man...Hopefully you won't be the only one...

Liberal Mahoundians...HMM I think that may be an oxymoron...
But if you can find one please ask him to post on JW so that we may know him...

Petrena wrote:

By the way, I wonder if people would have a problem with a 15 story Mosque being erected 600 ft from the point of impact of Flight 93 in Pennsylvania?
................

Funny you should mention that, Petrena—are you familiar with the loathsome proposed "memorial" for Flight 93, the "Crescent of Embrace"?

Here's Michelle Malkin:

http://michellemalkin.com/2005/09/10/flight-93-memorial-seeing-is-believing/


And Wikipedia has an update (yes, I know they're not always reliable, but appear to be so here):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_93_National_Memorial

The winning design chosen to memorialize the heroes and victims of 9/11’s Flight 93 is in the shape of a red crescent that looks–either accidentally or intentionally–remarkably like an Islamic crescent.

Jury member Tom Burnett Sr., whose son was killed in the crash, said he made an impassioned speech to his fellow jurors about what he felt the crescent represented, "I explained this goes back centuries as an old-time Islamic symbol," Burnett said. "I told them we'd be a laughing stock if we did this."

Representative Tom Tancredo of Colorado has opposed the design's shape "because of the crescent's prominent use as a symbol in Islam." Mike Rosen of the Rocky Mountain News wrote: "On the anniversaries of 9/11, it's not hard to visualize al-Qaeda celebrating the crescent of maple trees, turning red in the fall, "embracing" the Flight 93 crash site. To them, it would be a memorial to their fallen martyrs."

You're not paying attention, are you?

It is a personal safety issue that does and should keep Robert from posting any sort of snail-mail address.

Having done it, it's a simple thing to stake out a mailbox. Somebody has to pick up that mail and they can be easily followed, say to an office or a home.

Why can't you understand the primary concern here is someone else's safety?

Geeeez... stuck on stupid.

Jaladhi, thank you and I have read about those plans. I meant something the size of the Mosque they are proposing at Ground Zero. I think the image of that in people's heads would be one of great revolt and wonder why they don't feel the same about that happening in Pennsylvania.

Thanks again.

You are right we should all be just as enraged about the Shencksville Memorial as the Ground Zero mosque. I don't understand the artist who has designed the memorial. Is a he convert to Islam??? His inclusion of Islamic symbol in the memorial is abhorrent when it was the Muslims who attacked us. Traitors among us are all those in PC crowd kowtowing to Muslims!!!

Don't be silly.

If someone were so inclined, they could follow RS from a book signing or a speech just as easily.

Plus, there are services available for security cases. The funds wouldn't have to be delivered directly to Robert or Pam or anyone publicly connected to FDI or SIOA. They could be directly deposited by a third-party.

Not everyone has Gpal. Other options should be available, unless FDI & SIOA is satisfied with the current donation levels.

PS: You are not doing FDI any services by being rude and insulting to those who want to help. In fact, that you seem to be intent on disparaging commenters who are expressing a desire to help seems mighty suspicious to me.

Maybe YOU are up to no-good here...

I wish that I could be there but it's just too far away. I will be sending some money as soon as my credit card is topped up. This is a very important event. This mosque must be stopped at all costs. Robert is right about the building being part of ground zero. It didn't fall, but it was damaged, and that is what matters.

Is there an online petition site where one can sign up opposing the GZ mosque? We need this to go viral to show worldwide opposition to this "in your face" insult to those who died on 9/11.

When rebuilding the WTC is complete the total damages should be calculated and the bill presented to Saudi Arabia.

What happened to the items in the columns on the left- and right-hand sides of JW's page? The ones listing Robert's books, and some comments about Robert by friends and enemies, and particularly the list of links to other blogs? Now when I call up JW both these columns are blank. Anyone else having this problem?

Yea, that's the ticket.

The right column items seem to be at the very bottom of the site.

Looks like an html code error.

Robert:
I am in TX and would sooooo love to be there. I can't. I made a modest $40 contribution. It's all I can afford right now.
To all have don't know about the flight 93 Mosque. It's the LARGEST mosque in the world.
It has no walls, but is it's foundation is the path that runs around it. It is built with the exact specifications of a Mosque.
Here's the information:
http://txlady706.wordpress.com/2009/10/25/flight-93-crash-site-will-soon-be-home-to-the-world%e2%80%99s-largest-mosque/
and an update:
http://txlady706.wordpress.com/2009/11/07/flight-93-memorial-finished-is-a-mosque/

I'd like to contribute but do not live in the US so the form won't accept my address.
Is there a way for non-US residents to donate?

I'll be out of the country during September, can't believe I booked for then, but oh well. I'll try to follow the news about the rally and wish you all the best in the endeavor.

As for Undaunted being up to no good, come on, get a grip. His voice of experience should be listened to and not dismissed.

Let's stop that Ground Zero mosque!!!

Robert, Pamela and all others planning to be there on 9/11.........Good luck and God bless.
India and Indians are with you all the way.

Freedom MUST win.
If it doesn't win in America, it cannot win anywhere and the whole world will be doomed.

Actually, I was mocking Undaunted for expressing the same sentiments toward people asking for Gpal alternatives. But I'm sure you took the time to read his first few posts and saw that.

Maybe I'm just out of line for suggesting new commenters shouldn't be insulted for asking a simple and reasonable question. If that's the image you believe FDI should have, then by all means continue.

well said DJM. thank you

I'll stand by my comment. Thanks.

It seems Gpal won't accept donations unless you live in the US.

I sent them an e-mail a couple of months ago asking if they will soon be accepting other countries but never heard a word back.

I don't send cheques & prefer the ease of simply clicking a button, so I won't be making any more donations until I can do that.

Does anyone know if that might become a possibility in the near future?

Marisol? Maybe Gpal will respond to your inquiries, since you have an account?

BTW, you're all correct.

"Undaunted" is trying to protect Robert & Pamela.
The newcomers & non-Americans are trying to find an easy way to make a donation.
And "DJM" is defending the newcomers & people who live outside the US .

Everyone's intentions are good.

Alas, I tried to send $100 but GPAL does not accept money from Canada.

Canadians were in the towers on 9/11 and I'd like to help out the rally.

You, of course, are right.

We are all on the same team here.

I find myself in a situation where I wish to contribute, but Gpal is not a valid option for me right now. In fact, I came to comment to ask if there were any alternatives. But I saw others had asked, and that led to my responses to Undaunted.

My apologies for getting off-track.

It would be excellent if FDI could come up with another option without endangering any members. Perhaps the Thomas More Law Center, which I believe has represented FDI/SIOA in the past, can setup some sort of a mail-in donation account?

This year The Battle of Reed's Bridge Civil War Reenactment is on September 11 and 12. I imagine alot of people here will be too busy with the slouch hats and the black powder muskets to attend 9/11 events.
http://ca.biz.yahoo.com/prnews/100823/da53766.html?.v=1

I understand the problem of funding such a large demonstration and the incidental costs. However, I have a suggestion JW may wish to consider.

On the day of the demonstration, would it be possible for a few dozen hand-picked individuals to go around rattling collection cans and asking demonstrators to donate nickels, dimes and dollars to help defray the considerable costs? With such a large crowd of people in the mood to show support for a principled stand against the mosque, I reckon that between 10 to 15,000 dollars could be collected this way - like in Church when the collection plate is passed around.

The 'deacons' collecting the money could be given special tops to wear and id badges.

Please consider this suggestion. Nickels, dimes and dollars soon add up when thousands give.

"The right column items seem to be at the very bottom of the site."

Thanks, DJM; that's where they are for me, too.

"The donation link is set up for convenience, and also for safety. Robert is not going to give a mailing address, nor should he. And those of you who continue to ask for one seem mighty suspicious to me. So, back off."

I agree, Undaunted ...

Perhaps donations could be snail-mailed directly to a bank, which in turn would deposit it in the relevant account electronically. No need for a human middle man.

I strongly commend your efforts.

I think your efforts could be more effective if Sept. 11 is turned into a NATIONWIDE "EXPOSE ISLAM" DAY. There should be demonstrations at mosques around the country. This could be easily organized on the web. (I read about a phenomenon called something like "flash crowds" that are organized using Twitter, I believe.)

I offered you some postings and banners that people could print out and use around the country, but apparently you were not interested. Although I really applaud your efforts, the struggle against Islam can not succeed with just the efforts of a few people.

The reason that politicians like Bloomberg can get away with their "religious freedom" approach is because the public doesn't know what Islam is. (By the way, Bloomberg's business interests in Dubai should be exposed.) Bloomberg would not support religious freedom for the Aztec/Maya religion that cut out the hearts of its victims on top of the temple as part of a human sacrifice to the gods. Islam is really not that much different.

I hope your speakers don't remain in the muddle of "the landing gear hit the building" or "the mosque would be fine if it were 400 feet away instead of 200 feet away."

ASK EVERY SPEAKER TO QUOTE SPECIFICS FROM THE KORAN, THE HADITH, THE SIRAH. Please do not limit yourself to generalities such as "Islam is a violent, intolerant political ideology." That kind of stuff rings hollow.

AVOID ADJECTIVES -- THEY MAKE YOU SOUND LIKE BIGOTS.

Much better to say "Muhammad beheaded more than 600 captive Jews and saw their heads fall into trenches, according to ..."

"The 2000 Islamic scholars and clerics of the Pakistani Ulema Council gave their highest honor to Osama Bin Laden."

Please make sure you address each of the standard defense arguments, such as "the verses are taken out of context" or "these are the views of a tiny minority of Muslims" or "Islam has so much about peace and tolerance," etc.

I am not suggesting hatred of Muslims, who are themselves the greatest victims of Islam. At every step, you should emphasize that Muslims deserve acceptance as human beings, even as efforts are made to free them of their mental poison.

I hope you consider my points seriously.

"Over seventy percent of Americans oppose the Islamic supremacist mega-mosque at Ground Zero."

Over 70% oppose this particular mosque, eh? Yeah last week I heard some liberal blame the "religious right" for these protests, but clearly men & women from many different religious and political backgrounds are standing against this building project. I count myself among those against this insult ...

I will stand with you on Sept 11!

Dear Mr Spencer,

As a moderate American with no political or ideological affiliation whatsoever, I find myself a minority among other modern secularists in that I strive to depict the religion and culture of Islam for what it really is. The news stories, from any sources, alone should be enough to tell politically correct thinkers that most of the worlds Muslims are not moderate, but I was wondering if there are any sources I'm not aware of that would be irrefutable, or at least very difficult to deny, proving this.

Thank you.

"You are right we should all be just as enraged about the Shencksville Memorial as the Ground Zero mosque. I don't understand the artist who has designed the memorial. Is a he convert to Islam??? His inclusion of Islamic symbol in the memorial is abhorrent when it was the Muslims who attacked us. ..."

A few months ago, I posted information here about the "Crescent of Embrace" memorial at the site of the Pennsylvania crash.

See:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/05/imam-mosque-near-ground-zero-would-prove-american-religious-tolerance.html#comment-667137

and:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/05/imam-mosque-near-ground-zero-would-prove-american-religious-tolerance.html#comment-667160

and:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/05/imam-mosque-near-ground-zero-would-prove-american-religious-tolerance.html#comment-667424

and:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/05/imam-mosque-near-ground-zero-would-prove-american-religious-tolerance.html#comment-667431

Txlady,

Thanks for those links on the "Crescent of Embrace" memorial/mosque in Pennsylvania.

See my post above for more information on that.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/08/stand-with-us-on-september-11.html#comment-703532

Have you heard of Alec Rawls? He's done a lot of work on this, analyzing the memorial and making a good case for its Islamic features. One of the diagrams on your blog I think was drawn up by him.

Oh great -- the Pinkerton guards are contracted to man the entrance gates at the Air Force Base in my area. Nice to know we can count on them to be wide awake and alert. Not only that, but the BX and Commissary are no longer military-run but have been contracted out to civilians. They have screwed up the shopping experience royally, let's hope that's all they do.

Given the information Hesperado and others have posted on Paul Murdoch, there is little room for doubt that he was allowed to design a triumphal Islamic shrine on the site where the heroes of United Flight 93 died. That should have been prevented. We must not let the same thing happen at Ground Zero.

http://newstime.co.nz/stand-with-us-on-september-11.html


...We oppose it because it will be understood all over the Islamic world as a victory mosque marking that heinous mass-murder nine years ago....

Beigefoot,

The news stories, from any sources, alone should be enough to tell politically correct thinkers that most of the worlds Muslims are not moderate, but I was wondering if there are any sources I'm not aware of that would be irrefutable, or at least very difficult to deny, proving this.

That kind of a claim would be extremely difficult to prove in smoking-gun terms even with a cautiously receptive audience; it becomes virtually impossible to prove to an audience seeing reality through PC MC glasses (an audience, I'm afraid, that remains mainstream and dominant).

The best we have is

1) a mountain of circumstantial evidence in the news, showing Muslims behaving in immoderate ways, and documenting Muslims expressing immoderate sentiments

2) innumerable testimonials (by ex-Muslims and by non-Muslims who grew up in Muslim societies)

3) reams of anecdotal evidence

and

4) studies by academic scholars of the past.

And older essay by me touches on issues related to this:

http://hesperado.blogspot.com/2009/04/1-problem-statistics-and-dot-connection.html

We are coming to a fork in the road.

Those who would sell us down the river to our enemies are screaming bloody murder that anyone who opposes the 911 Mosque is a racist, bigot and worse.

They, Obama, Bloomberg, the liberal media, only expose themselves for what they have always been: traitors to our Judeo-Christian society.

If they had their way, there would be a mosque on every block.

Indeed, today the NY Times reported that ten percent of the population of New York City is Muslim and that there are over a hundred mosques in the city with many, many more on the way.

It is time for everyone who loves this country and wishes to save it from annihilation to stand up and let their voice be heard.

Come to the rally on Sept 11 at Ground Zero to protest the Jihad Victory Mosque.

Say NO to those who would attempt to force us to bend down and kiss the Koran or suffer the consequences.

Islam means submission. Muslim means one who submits.

Read the writing on the wall.

http://www.jewishdailyreport.wordpress.com

London Jim ,

Really feel bad to hear that. I have some money I could willingly give you. But how to remit is my problem.You guide me.

I think Arthur makes some very good points. People (non-Muslims) at large, although they instinctively mistrust Islam, are still v. ignorant about what appears in the scriptures of Islam. The more direct quotations adn examples from Mohammed's life that can be put into the public arena, the better.

Undaunted is a security expert with plenty of experience, that he shares on his website, and here...Undaunted has posted here for years...I doubt you would call him 'silly' to his face...

'''Maybe YOU are up to no-good here'''...

I would trust and back Undaunted any day of the week...I'm not so sure about you...

I let my wife (who is FAR wiser than I, I'm just lucky that way) handle all our finances.I showed her your post, Robert, and she gave me THE LOOK first, then smiled and said, "Go ahead, and put in another $50 from me."
C-note and a half donated five minutes ago!

Keep up the fight, Robert and Pam!

$100 contributed with pleasure. Wish I could be there on 9/11. Best of luck.

Is it true that Gpal doesn't handle money from outside the USA?

Does that apply to the jihadwatch 'tip jar' as well as the SIOA fundraising for this Stop the Mosque de Triomphe rally?

If it does, that *is* a problem - because I need to hurry up and make *my* donation.

How can I donate using credit card from Canada? I will try to visit New York on that day. If some one can email me info or post it here.rsanga@mail.com

I just signed up for GPal. I immediately tried to send you $100 but there was a glitsch. I'll wait a little while then try again. I promise. You two are drawing fire to save the rest of us. Thanks, more than I can say.


"Is there an online petition site where one can sign up opposing the GZ mosque?"

Just go to the left of the page under Ground Zero Petition.

http://www.actforamerica.org/

To DJM and other wishing for some alternative to electronic payment.....

I'm in complete agreement with Undaunted's reasoning. This is a matter of safety and a PO box can easily be traced to it's renter.

For those of you who are leery of online contributions, I'm also in agreement with YOU.

Here is a workable solution: Go buy a pre-paid Visa or MasterCard, load it with cash with up to the amount you wish to donate, and use that instead of disclosing your personal banking info. Get a card from the back of the display rack in case someone has already hijacked the first few card numbers. Remember, you can also load it with a small amount and send it as a test, then go back and re-load it if the donation went through with no problems. That way, if the number has already been hijacked, you are only out a small amount of money instead of the full amount you intended to give. This is how I plan to donate, even if I don't get to claim it on my taxes.

ALL of us who oppose the mosque should be concerned about revealing our physical whereabouts to islamist hackers or dhimmis who work in banks. Although I live in a gun-friendly area, I have no desire to help a bad guy find me and then wind up having to tear his arms off and beat him with the bloody stumps or shoot him to death to save the lives of me and mine.

Don't blame Undaunted for being protective, even if it comes across as strong wording. His instincts on this subject are excellent.

Coptic Christian activist Joseph Nassralla is going to be there ? he is insane after he got humiliated in the first protest ! , I'll donate a quarter just to humiliate him again ..

arthur you are 1000% correct!
i am reading book after book by such authors as sultan, bawer, hirji,manji,gabrielle, etc. etc.
i am constantly appalled by what i am reading.
once your eyes have been opened to the truth you can never go back and pretend you don't know - because now you know!
there was nothing extremist about the 9-11 hijackers. they were just true muslims following their faith.
islam should be exposed for the ugly pos that it is!

I gave a $100.

I wish it was that easy to go there this 9/11.

Someday, I will go there. To weep for the dead. To pray for the end of 9:111.

I agree with Undaunted's reasoning as well, and I don't blame him at all for being protective.

My objection was Undaunted's rude and insulting responses to people simply asking if there was an alternative payment method.

There are alternate and safe methods that could be arranged. Some attorneys can setup and maintain an account. Some banks will offer the service. None of FDI/SIOA high-profile members have to be directly involved with the mailed checks or money orders.

The pre-paid Visa or MasterCard sounds like an excellent idea. At least for those of us in the U.S. Hopefully, a payment method for those outside the U.S. will be available soon.

If you plan to go to the rally, you may want to get yourself some infidel rally gear.

My objection was Undaunted's rude and insulting responses to people simply asking if there was an alternative payment method.

You seem well meaning, but calling him silly, and suggesting that he was a the problem, is way off the mark...You probably should not have tried to act as his disciplinarian...Undaunted is a stellar patriot, and staunch anti-jihadist...He gives away security advice that others would charge for... He may be impatient with some people over security, but but that is because personal security is his expertise...He see's and knows about real possibilities that others may not see...And as I pointed out above, Undaunted has been posting here for years and is a respected poster...The last thing he is, is silly...

$100 contributed with gratitude to Robert Spencer for leading the way to stand up for our freedom from islamic supremacism.

Lol, I see.

Undaunted insulting new-comers looking for ways to help support FDI/SIOA is acceptable to you because he's a 'stellar patriot', but calling him 'silly' for those unprovoked insults is 'way off the mark'...

I'm glad you are not at all concerned with a 'respected poster' insulting potentially new supporters.

I was concerned that such rudeness might turn people away and reflect poorly on JW/FDI/SIOA. Silly me. ;)

(BTW, my reference about Undaunted making me suspicious was *his* words to another poster. I was spoofing him.)

I told it to you straight...If you don't get it too bad...No one appointed you JW policeman...

'I was concerned that such rudeness might turn people away and reflect poorly on JW/FDI/SIOA. Silly me. ;)'

I don't consider that a good enough reason to launch into your own insults, his rudeness was no worse than your own...And I would advise you not to play word games with me...I invented the concept...

It would be okay to give it a rest now.

Robert knows who I am and what I bring here. He's bounced me a few times for violating decorum and that's his prerogative, not yours. If you want to make the rules and shake your finger in my face, to mock and spoof me, then start your own blog and I'll pop in so you can pull the trigger on me there.

Until then, I feel neither spoofed nor mocked. I suppose that might be true if I had some belief that you know a thing or two about personal protection, but you don't.

Perhaps people are turned off by some FNG who wanders in and by fiat takes over someone else's blog, becoming the arbiter of what's acceptable. Ever think about that?

Here's something you do need to think about: This isn't about semantics or your version of what I should or should not type here. The is about the brutal fact that Robert is facing enemies who will gladly cut his throat in public... but so are you. Maybe you need to man up and focus on the threats of the enemy and not on the wedgie my language might have given you.

Thanks to those who have watched my back here today.

To those -- at least those Americans -- who prefer to send a check, just remember that banks keep microfilm records of all checks, and that the Feds can look at those records any time they want. I don't know that I'd want Obama's "Justice" Department knowing I'd sent money to JW.

I just tried again to send you $100 using GPal but got message that there's something wrong with my account. I just opened it this afternoon. I've emailed them about the problem. Hopefully I'll get an answer tomorrow. They close at 5:00 pm.
Also wish I could be there on 9/11. I live in California, and am disabled. If I tried to drive, I'd probably get as far as the foothills then have to check into a motel and lie down. And air travel is now impossibly difficult for me.
Sorry.

This is a continuation of my comments from earlier.

To Robert Spencer & Pam Geller:

You are already winning with the public, since polls show that 70% oppose the GZ mosque.

To win with those in power (both Democrats & Republicans), the next major battles must be in the editorial boardrooms of the mainstream media, like CNN, NYT, NBC, ABC, CBS, etc. Although many think the battle is hopeless at these places, I do not agree.

I think the MSM are basically spineless, but have not made a fundamental decision to be dishonest. They are waiting for a time when it will be acceptable to openly talk about the facts regarding Islam.

The two of you can start changing the atmosphere in the U.S., which Mr. Spencer has already done to a significant extent very courageously.

You will get the maximum media coverage if you put up gigantic banners (too big to ignore) saying things like:

THE PROPHET OF ISLAM BEHEADED OVER 600 CAPTIVE JEWS!

or

THE PROPHET OF ISLAM HAD SEX WITH A 9 YEAR OLD GIRL!

and SEVERAL MORE LIKE THESE, WITH THE MOST INCENDIARY FACTS ...


The TV cameras will be forced to choose whether or not to show those banners. I don't think they will be able to resist.

Then the real debate in the U.S. will start. Right now, it is all about feelings, tolerance, sensitivity, freedoms, memories, etc. -- mush that will not ignite a large debate.

Also, I'm sure you have thought of this, but I hope you have bulletproof partitions between the speakers and the public. There is no limit to what Muslims will do when they go insane. Remember how Benazir Bhutto was killed.

BEST OF LUCK TO YOU!! YOUR COURAGE IS TRULY REMARKABLE!!

Tried to make a donation but the page isn't setup to accept donations from outside of the US, in my case, Canada. Or am I missing something?

Thank you for any help.
Edua

Hypocrisy is obviously your word game. If its one of your friends slinging insults, its cool. But don't dare anyone call your friend 'silly'!

I'm done here. I just hope Undaunted's rudeness (and your hypocrisy) haven't cost FDI/SIOA any much needed resources. The demand for alternative payment methods is painfully obvious in this thread, so those who have inquired about it have a valid point. They don't deserve to be insulted for it.

Undaunted, you were right about security. No one disputed that. But you shouldn't insult people who are trying to help. Next time, try to use a little tact and common decency before crying to your friends about being called 'silly'. Grow some thicker skin.

Good question. Also, I have never even heard of GPal which shows my general ignorance to all things e-economics. If its not possible for me to donate from here in Oz, Ill just donate to the Peter Hughs burn foundation in the spririt of goodwell and conscience. Peter Hughs, if you remember, was the Aussie face of the bali bombings and suffered life threatening injuries. He's a champ!

It IS silly when offering to donate, to be told to "back off". For security concerns too, Robert and Pam can use all the donations they can get and by now they themselves are well aware of security issues. It is their choice whether or not to provide alternative payment methods, and asking them brings zero risk.

But as was said before, mistakes are made even with good intentions. Just gotta man up and admit it.

To all who want to donate; you can still us PayPal. I did without problems.

Yea undaunted, besides a megalomaniac like Bobby LOVES to announce his plans weeks in advance where any ole body can read them but I hear ya, I wonder what kind of security he's hoping to buy with his "we hope to raise $50,000.00" anyway...?

I'll be there on Sept.11th, can't wait to see you rabid dogs look like in the flesh!


Allah Bless America!!!

Good bye...I never said Undaunteds remarks were appropriate...I said labeling him as 'silly', was inappropriate, and it was your indulgence not mine, no one twisted you arm to say anything about him at all...But you decided to play sheriff... If I am a hypocrite for backing up a long term friend of JW then so be it...I have been a hypocrite like that numbers of times before...and will be such a hypocrite in the future...

Yes, I bet you will be there, probably with a mask on...or a burka maybe...

Dank: unpleasantly moist or humid.

Wow. Did you get the name right or what? Did you pick that for yourself or did your stoner parents have sublime dreams for you?

****

Jan: I didn't tell anyone wishing to make a dontation to back off. My comment was directed to those who, having less than average IQ about personal security, continue to whine about not being able to navigate an on-line donation site and transfer the guilt for their ineptitide to Robert and insist that he accomodate them.

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DJM: You need to STFU and start your own blog.

You're delusional if you really think I'm the one in this little love affair who needs thicker skin.

I'm done.

"Yea undaunted, besides a megalomaniac like Bobby LOVES to announce his plans weeks in advance....?....I'll be there on Sept.11th"

Can you tell us more about your plans?

I would be happy to make my modest contribution from Canada once you are set up to receive international donations. (I've tried both credit card and the other Paypal(?), but did not work.)

While undaunted is manning the bastions, a high number of comments here from various people from many different places indicates that the system for facilitating donations to Jihad Watch is in serious need of repair. Someone should get on that, and all questions and suggestions about it should be solicited and considered, and not rudely and densely dismissed, in order to optimize the remedy.

I'm in for two Cs, and I'll be there with bells on.

There's a simple option for anyone who wants to cut a check to this cause. Just send it to the Horowitz Freedom Center, which will ensure it gets to the intended recipient. The address:

The David Horowitz Freedom Center
P.O. Box 55089
Sherman Oaks, CA 91499-1964

Thank You, Papa Whiskey!

I will cut a check and get it in the mail tomorrow (Though, probably not as generous as your donation!)

Let's hope all those who came to offer support, but were unable to through GPal, will see your post and Mr. Spencer's above.

Thanks for the opportunity to make a small contribution to your heroic efforts to confront islam's newest assault deep into our fresh wounds into the very heart of the islamic massacre of 911. Not being able to make it to the east coast I've done something to honor those brutally killed in the name of islam. God bless all associated with JW, the truth will prevail.

To F**k Mo*d, all r invited to be united on 11th

Dank said:

"I'll be there on Sept.11th, can't wait to see you rabid dogs look like in the flesh!"

Undaunted said:

"Dank: unpleasantly moist or humid.

Wow. Did you get the name right or what? Did you pick that for yourself or did your stoner parents have sublime dreams for you?"

Undaunted, you make the guy sound like a panty liner. But thank you for that visual. Now we know what to be on the look out for on 9/11. ; )


On another note, anyone coming from the Northern Virginia/DC/Maryland corridor can get to the protest quite easily by using the handy dandy Chinatown bus. Some clients in their 20's told me about it and it's fabulous! You can take the metro to the Gallery/Chinatown station and walk a block or two up to where you catch the bus. It's $20 each way, 4-4.5 hrs one way, will drop you off at Penn Station in NYC and then you can catch the subway to Ground Zero. It leaves at all times day and night so you could leave really early in the a.m., sleep on the bus or use the wi-fi, get there in time for breakfast or lunch, hit a couple of sites, go to the protest, go to dinner, and jump back on the bus at 10:30 or 11:30pm for the drive back. Just do a Google search for China Bus or Chinatown Bus and there are a couple of different ones to choose from coming and going at different times. Enjoy!


HEY are you discriminating against limeys because of 1776 ?
I just tried to make a donation but the layout will not accept donations from outside the U.S

Donation sent.

Let's make this happen, folks!

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http://groundzeromosqueboycott.wordpress.com/

This time I deliberately included my full name and address along wiht my support for our common mission. I want to make sure Pelosi can come after me, a typical common American citizen who she is totally out of touch with and who cannot wait for her to be voted out of office. That woman is lost, perhaps her friend Reid will kindly help her but I wouldn’t hold my breath, her political corpse already has developed a bad stench.

Oh goodie, so paypal is still ok for international use.

I'll get *something* into the collection tin within the next couple of days.

Here are my eleven *personal* reasons, as an Australian, for donating so as to help say, 'No Way!' to the mosque de triomphe.

From NSW:
- Alberto Dominguez, 66, from Lidcombe. A Qantas baggage handler on holidays, he was on board American Airlines Flight 11 which crashed into the World Trade Centre (WTC) in New York. Note: Alberto, an Australian citizen, was born in Spain and had migrated to Australia years ago: he was a prominent member of Australia's Spanish community. So he represents Spain as well as Australia. Shoutout to any Spaniards reading this; you're welcome to count him as yours, as well as ours.

- Yvonne Kennedy, 62, a retired Red Cross worker, from Sydney, was on American Airlines Flight 77 that crashed into the Pentagon in Washington.

- Craig Neil Gibson, 37, from Randwick in Sydney, was working on 94th floor of the WTC north tower in the offices of insurers Marsh and McLennan.

- Steve Tompsett, 39, from Merrylands, NSW, was in the WTC north tower.

- Elisa Ferraina, 27, from Sydney. She was born in Australia, but had just taken out UK citizenship (so she can be claimed by the UK as well). She was on the 106th floor of the WTC north tower.

- Lesley Anne Thomas, 41, from NSW, was in the WTC north tower.

VICTORIA:
- Leanne Whiteside, 31, a hot-shot young lawyer from Melbourne, was in the WTC south tower.

- Peter Gyulavary, 44, architect and environmental engineer, was born in Geelong, Victoria but had moved to the US 20 years ago and there carved out a career. He was working on the 91st floor of the WTC south tower.

SOUTH AUSTRALIA:
- Andrew Knox, 29, from Adelaide was working with a building construction company on the 103rd floor of the WTC north tower.

QUEENSLAND:
- Kevin Dennis, 43, was originally from the Gold Coast, and had lived in the UK, but became a US-based stock-broker with Cantor Fitzgerald and was working on the 101st floor of WTC north tower.

Alberto, Yvonne, Craig, Steve, Elisa, Lesley, Leanne, Peter, Andrew and Kevin. Rest in peace. May your ashes rest quietly in the heart of beautiful New York, together with those of your many, many American friends and colleagues; the people who offered you hospitality, work and friendship, and with whom you died.

Of course, even if no Australians had been murdered on September 11, I would oppose this obscene mosque-on-the-graves of so many citizens of our long-time friend and ally, the USA. But having eleven dead Australians to remember, makes it *personal*.

Incidentally, I understand from Pam Geller's site that there is intended to be a 'sister' rally against the Ground Zero mosque de triomphe, outside the American consulate in Sydney. So Aussie jihadwatchers who are Sydneysiders, or can or will be in Sydney on that day, can mosey along there and make publicly visible their wholehearted support for the 70 % of Americans who oppose the mosque.

http://sioe.wordpress.com/2010/08/18/911-demos-in-us-australia-and-europe/

"Stop islamization of Australia – will make the commemoration and demonstration outside the U.S. Consulate at Level 10 MLC Centre 19-29 Martin Pl, Sydney NSW 2000." [no time given: will have to look elsewhere - does anybody here know the time for that rally? - dda]

In Oslo (Norway) it will take place on Egertorvet at 13.00.

In London (England) outside the U.S. embassy at 13.00.

In Sofia (Bulgaria) outside the U.S. embassy at 13.00.

In Copenhagen (Denmark) outside the U.S. embassy at 13.00".

Jihadwatchers in Melbourne, if they choose to hold a rally, may like to begin it at the memorial for the two Australian victims who came from the state of Victoria:

http://www.legislation.vic.gov.au/domino/Web_Notes/newmedia.nsf/798c8b072d117a01ca256c8c0019bb01/5397ba5a95e9684aca25706f00058555!OpenDocument

"The two Victorian victims of the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Centre in 2001 will be remembered through memorial plaques and two newly planted trees in the Kings Domain parklands near the Shrine of Remembrance....the trees planted in memory of the September 11 victims were a River Red Gum and a Smooth Barked Apple, both striking indigenous trees that flower in summer."

So: if Melburnian and Victorian jihadwatchers hold a rally in solidarity with the American Ground Zero protest, you could maybe start it under Leanne and Peter's trees, then walk to the American consulate.

Oh goodie, so paypal is still ok for international use.

I'll get *something* into the collection tin within the next couple of days.

Here are my eleven *personal* reasons, as an Australian, for donating so as to help say, 'No Way!' to the mosque de triomphe.

From NSW:
- Alberto Dominguez, 66, from Lidcombe. A Qantas baggage handler on holidays, he was on board American Airlines Flight 11 which crashed into the World Trade Centre (WTC) in New York. Note: Alberto, an Australian citizen, was born in Spain and had migrated to Australia years ago: he was a prominent member of Australia's Spanish community. So he represents Spain as well as Australia. Shoutout to any Spaniards reading this; you're welcome to count him as yours, as well as ours.

- Yvonne Kennedy, 62, a retired Red Cross worker, from Sydney, was on American Airlines Flight 77 that crashed into the Pentagon in Washington.

- Craig Neil Gibson, 37, from Randwick in Sydney, was working on 94th floor of the WTC north tower in the offices of insurers Marsh and McLennan.

- Steve Tompsett, 39, from Merrylands, NSW, was in the WTC north tower.

- Elisa Ferraina, 27, from Sydney. She was born in Australia, but had just taken out UK citizenship (so she can be claimed by the UK as well). She was on the 106th floor of the WTC north tower.

- Lesley Anne Thomas, 41, from NSW, was in the WTC north tower.

VICTORIA:
- Leanne Whiteside, 31, a hot-shot young lawyer from Melbourne, was in the WTC south tower.

- Peter Gyulavary, 44, architect and environmental engineer, was born in Geelong, Victoria but had moved to the US 20 years ago and there carved out a career. He was working on the 91st floor of the WTC south tower.

SOUTH AUSTRALIA:
- Andrew Knox, 29, from Adelaide was working with a building construction company on the 103rd floor of the WTC north tower.

QUEENSLAND:
- Kevin Dennis, 43, was originally from the Gold Coast, and had lived in the UK, but became a US-based stock-broker with Cantor Fitzgerald and was working on the 101st floor of WTC north tower.

Alberto, Yvonne, Craig, Steve, Elisa, Lesley, Leanne, Peter, Andrew and Kevin. Rest in peace. May your ashes rest quietly in the heart of beautiful New York, together with those of your many, many American friends and colleagues; the people who offered you hospitality, work and friendship, and with whom you died.

Of course, even if no Australians had been murdered on September 11, I would oppose this obscene mosque-on-the-graves of so many citizens of our long-time friend and ally, the USA. But having eleven dead Australians to remember, makes it *personal*.

Incidentally, I understand from Pam Geller's site that there is intended to be a 'sister' rally against the Ground Zero mosque de triomphe, outside the American consulate in Sydney. So Aussie jihadwatchers who are Sydneysiders, or can or will be in Sydney on that day, can mosey along there and make publicly visible their wholehearted support for the 70 % of Americans who oppose the mosque.

http://sioe.wordpress.com/2010/08/18/911-demos-in-us-australia-and-europe/

"Stop islamization of Australia – will make the commemoration and demonstration outside the U.S. Consulate at Level 10 MLC Centre 19-29 Martin Pl, Sydney NSW 2000." [no time given: will have to look elsewhere - does anybody here know the time for that rally? - dda]

In Oslo (Norway) it will take place on Egertorvet at 13.00.

In London (England) outside the U.S. embassy at 13.00.

In Sofia (Bulgaria) outside the U.S. embassy at 13.00.

In Copenhagen (Denmark) outside the U.S. embassy at 13.00".

Jihadwatchers in Melbourne, if they choose to hold a rally, may like to begin it at the memorial for the two Australian victims who came from the state of Victoria:

http://www.legislation.vic.gov.au/domino/Web_Notes/newmedia.nsf/798c8b072d117a01ca256c8c0019bb01/5397ba5a95e9684aca25706f00058555!OpenDocument

"The two Victorian victims of the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Centre in 2001 will be remembered through memorial plaques and two newly planted trees in the Kings Domain parklands near the Shrine of Remembrance....the trees planted in memory of the September 11 victims were a River Red Gum and a Smooth Barked Apple, both striking indigenous trees that flower in summer."

So: if Melburnian and Victorian jihadwatchers hold a rally in solidarity with the American Ground Zero protest, you could maybe start it under Leanne and Peter's trees, then walk to the American consulate.

Oops. Sorry about the double posting.

*That* hasn't happened for awhile.

I will send my donations soon.
I feel if that mosque is built, it will be my last day in my life. Since I am from the Imam's mother land, I understand what means for muslims to have that mosque. It is a big victory. Also, they do not want americans to remember 9/11 which gives a true picture about what was done in the name of Islam. I do not trust anything related to that mosque said by those people. I wish all americans to read a book called "Islam and Terrorism, by Mark Gabriel, Ex-muslim. He was a professor at Al-Azhar, the most important Islamic university in the world". That book can tell something about muslims plans to take over USA. We have to stand strong against building that mosque in that place. Muslims want what they want regardless other people's feelings. Also we need to have worship places for Jews and Christians in Saudi Arabia before even approve building any mosque in USA. God Bless and Protcet America

I am an Australian and I have that book by 'Mark Gabriel'. It is very good.

I found it in a Christian bookshop in Australia. So it is getting about, and people are reading it.

Susanna Zeller-Hirzel, a wonderful old Christian lady in Europe who was, long ago, a teenage member of the 'White Rose Society' that bravely defied Hitler, found out about the Jihad from reading Mark Gabriel's books. So she explained, in an interview that I read last year.

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