Did you know...
... that, according to Sheik Yusuf al-Qaradawi, Mecca is "in perfect alignment with the magnetic north"?
... but, according to Abdel-Baset al-Sayyed of the Egyptian National Research Centre, there is "no magnetic force in Mecca?"
... and as a result, "you get charged with energy" when you go there (sorry, you'll just have to eat your veggies, infidel), and "that's why if someone travels to Mecca or lives there, he lives longer, is healthier and is less affected by the earth's gravity"?
All of these claims are being floated in connection with a desire to replace Greenwich Observatory with Mecca as the marker of the prime meridian -- making the center of the Islamic religion the center of international timekeeping. It is an absurd story, though it is plausible to suppose any number of European and American dhimmis would go for this sort of thing.
Amid the absurdity, the common thread with other manifestations of the Islamic supremacist agenda, is that they'll say anything to get what they want. And all too many will go in for it, hook, line, and sinker.
So, enjoy your insalubrious gravity and magnetism, kuffar. "Giant Mecca clock seeks to call time on Greenwich," by Adrian Blomfield, Middle East Correspondent, and Martin Beckford for the Telegraph, August 11:
For more than a century, a point on the top of a hill in south-east London has been recognised as the centre of world time and the official starting point of each new day.
But now the supremacy of Greenwich Mean Time is being challenged by a gargantuan new clock being built in Mecca, by which the world's 1.5 billion Muslims could soon be setting their watches.
Due to start ticking on Thursday as the faithful begin fasting during the month of Ramadan, the timepiece sits atop the Royal Mecca Clock Tower which dominates Islam's holiest city.
It is at the heart of a vast complex funded by the Saudi government that will also house hotels, shopping malls and conference halls.
Bearing a striking resemblance to both St Stephen's Tower, which houses the bell of Big Ben, and the Empire State Building, the Saudi upstart aims to outdo its revered British rival in every way.
The clock's four faces are 151ft in diameter and will be illuminated by 2million LED lights along with huge Arabic script reading: "In the name of Allah". The clock will run on Arabia Standard Time which is three hours ahead of GMT.
When a glittering spire is added, topped with a crescent to symbolise Islam, the edifice will stand at nearly 2,000 ft, making it the world's second tallest building.
The clock of Big Ben, by comparison, is just 23ft in diameter, while its tower stands at a mere 316ft.
Residents of Mecca will also be reminded that it is time to pray when 21,000 green and white lights, visible at a distance of 18 miles, flash five times a day.
But Islamic scholars hope the clock's influence will stretch far further than the sands of Saudi Arabia, as part of a plan for Mecca to eclipse the Greenwich Observatory as the "true centre of the earth".
For the past 125 years, the international community has accepted that the start of each day should be measured from the prime meridian, representing 0 degrees longitude, which passes through the Greenwich Observatory.
A standard time by which other clocks were set was needed to organise global travel and communications, but in the Islamic world the idea that it should be centred on a part of London is seen as a colonial anachronism.
In your face:
As Mohammed al-Arkubi, manager of one of the hotels in the complex, put it: "Putting Mecca time in the face of Greenwich Mean Time. This is the goal."
According to Yusuf al-Qaradawi, an Egyptian cleric known around the Muslim world for his popular television show "Sharia and Life", Mecca has a greater claim to being the prime meridian because it is "in perfect alignment with the magnetic north."
This claim that the holy city is a "zero magnetism zone" has won support from some Arab scientists like Abdel-Baset al-Sayyed of the Egyptian National Research Centre who says that there is no magnetic force in Mecca.
"That's why if someone travels to Mecca or lives there, he lives longer, is healthier and is less affected by the earth's gravity," he said. "You get charged with energy."
Not so fast:
Western scientists have challenged such assertions, noting that the Magnetic North Pole is in actual fact on a line of longitude that passes through Canada, the United States, Mexico and Antarctica.
according to Sheik Yusuf al-Qaradawi, Mecca is "in perfect alignment with the magnetic north"?
So is my compass...It helps me overcome gravity and levitate...
Kufr did not invent time, but they did invent clocks and LED lights, so Mahoundians can look at the clock and thank not Allah, but kufr...
Only goes to show how delusional and brain dead these followers of Mo/allah and Quran are!!! Quran kills brain cells and after that you live in Mo/allah's delusion land!!!
How can one place be in perfect alignment with one other place? Surely a straight line may be drawn between any two fixed positions. So what?
Plus of course, the magnetic north pole is constantly moving around, not fixed in one spot.
Isn't there and end-times Bible prophecy about changing time?
I can't quite remember the passage, but I'm sure there is.
Muslim science.
I guess that they just don't care about how moronic they sound, when they come up with these assertions.
The need to make Mecca ( Islam ), the center of the worlds focus and attention, is more important to them then a few pesky, scientific facts.
are there are no depths of deceit,
pseudo bulls--t, er! science,
fuzzyfaced imbeciles like qaradawi won t go to.
hmmm obviously not
this is as laughable, as the latest
bbc s muslim-love-fest, islam & science
or as galling, as the fact that they(bbc)
refused to call a muslim gang who kidnapped, drugged/raped
passed round family members, a 14 yr old girl, muslim
when it was clearly so, prefering asian/group of men
& all the other verbal contortions.
This claim that the holy city is a "zero magnetism zone" has won support from some Arab scientists like Abdel-Baset al-Sayyed of the Egyptian National Research Centre who says that there is no magnetic force in Mecca. "That's why if someone travels to Mecca or lives there, he lives longer, is healthier and is less affected by the earth's gravity," he said. "You get charged with energy."
Not only that but the mecca magnetic dead zone also interferes with the infidel HAARP mind control so brothers can, while here, discard their tinfoil lined taqiyahs. Praise allah because they are hot and make your head itch.
"Plus of course, the magnetic north pole is constantly moving around, not fixed in one spot."
Yes, I guess that means that Mecca is constantly on the move too. Maybe that explains the recent realization by Indonesians that they were praying in the wrong direction: they were probably praying to where Mecca was 700 or 800 years ago.
The infidels' clock hewed to Greenwich mean time,
And it did so for hundreds of years.
But now over in Mecca they're building a clock
That could supersede Greenwich, my dears.
It will rise in the sky
To show I-i-slam is nigh
And will run three whole hours ahead.
Will Western civ. bow, never to rise again
As the world looks to Mecca instead?
discard their tinfoil lined taqiyahs. Praise allah because they are hot and make your head itch.
I didn't know that taqiyya made a Mahoundians head itch, I always thought it was lice...Mahound was an expert on head lice...
As far as 'charged with energy' is concerned, I get that by sticking my finger into a light socket...
Mahoundian science... According to which epilepsy, until not too long ago, was not treatable with medicine but Mein-Qurampf recitation, which is supposed to be the best antidote against the jinns that supposedly cause it.
Mahoundian science... According to which camel pee, since it was prescribed by mahound as allah-sanctioned medicine, is supposed to treat troo-beeleevares™ for all sorts of ailments and illnesses.
Mahoundian science... According to which anything on one wing of a fly which could make one ill ought to be treatable with the specific "antidotes" present on the other one; and, therefore, if a fly gets one of its wings in a troo-beeleevare™'s drink, they should make sure the other wing gets in the liquid too, so that they won't get ill.
Mahoundian science... Evidence of which (or, rather, the lack thereof) everyone can see on MEMRITV's videos, in the usual verbal orgy of blabbing, nonsense and quranic-resembling torrent of disconnected thoughts, repetitiveness, incoherence and utterly bogus arguments that mahoundians come up with to both back the conspiracy theories they invent to explain away the infinite failures of their societies, and/or come up with stories that only a complete fool would believe about evidence of Mein Qurampf's "authenticity."
Mahoundian science... According to which ravines on the surface of the moon are evidence that mahound/allah once split it in half and then glued it back together.
And this my friends is exactly why the Islamic world does not produce any science of any value!
Oh, and for their information the day does not start at Greenwich, the International Date Line is at 180 degrees from Greenwich and runs down the middle of the Pacific Ocean. Which, quite frankly is the best place for it, because by being there few people are inconvenienced by the mind-blowing absurdities of potentially being in two days at the same time.
On a practical basis, all absurdities aside, adoption of their little plan would mean all time zones would have to be "shifted" the three hours, since the whole point of the line is to measure "zero."
Second, no non-Muslim can enter Mecca, so who are they going to get to fix the thing when it breaks?
Third, what Phillipine or other nationality slaves aren they going to be using to change the light bulbs?
Fourth, it isn't Big Ben that sets the "time," it's a cesium clock set in a vacuum, the same clock that is used to calibrate the distance of one meter.
Fifth, it's going to look like Vegas. Gaudy, awful and highly representative of Arab sensibilities.
Sixth, these high-grade morons let some seventh-century idiot set their calendar in stone, missing a month, because they can't function if they don't see their little moon to tell them which way to face or what to do that day. Then, even though they had the Jews, Christians and Zoroastrians as dhimmis for a millenia they still never clued in that the calendar needed to be tweaked now and again, because to do so would be bi'da, innovation, and contrary to what is written in the Qur'an. So they are stuck with their little silly floating third-grade attempt at a calendar and they want the rest of the world to look to THEM for standards?
Quran-science strikes back.
Today I have been quietly admiring the entire complex, mute and dumbstruck. Photos only from the best angle, of course: infidels no entry.
It is uuuuuugly! There is no other word for it. Their eagerness to make something bigger and more fake than Westminster is pathetic. Bad taste rules supreme.
Do we deal with grown-ups here? Sensible, educated men of the world? Or little boys in a playground sandbox competing for the toys?
More Mahoundian science...
I wish I could remember where I read this, but there was some controversy that Mahound was four years younger than another man who was his same age, or something like that...This was explained away by claiming Mahound was in the womb four years...It was also explained that humans can be in the womb up to ten years...Huh?
Talking about Mohammedan Absurdities...
Testing a Prophet (video)
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2010/06/testing-muhammad-tester-mahomet.html
A clock at Mecca taking over from Greenwich Mean Time?
Is it a wind up?
You are spot on, comrade.
At birth -- we know all know -- according to the Muslim view, all Christians and all Jews, are born Muslims, but something then goes wrong, they take the message the wrong way, they grow up in a bad environment with parents who took the same message in the wrong way (Philip Larkin: "They fuck you up, your mum and dad/They may not mean to, but they do/They fill you with the faults they had/Then add some extra, just for you." But did you know that Philip Larkin was a Muslim? And Shakespeare too, don't forget Shakespeare).
And since so many of us, or all of us, were born Muslims, wouldn't it make sense to stop going by B.C. and A.D. or even B.C.E. which obliquely recognizes Christianity has having pride of place or space or time, and use Muslim chronology, Muslim time, Muslim A.H. which would then make scarily-old Mother Earth not 2010 years old, and counting, but at least a thousand years earlier, putting a smile on her face, and a spring in her step.
You're only as old as you feel, and if someone tells us that he can take 1400 years, more or less -- given the lunar rather than the solar calender -- off the age of long-suffering Mother Earth, who is already beginning to feel rather uncomfortably warm and finding she needs to fan herself more often than she used to, then who wouldn't jump at the chance?
It's 1431 A.H. for Muslims. Perhaps that is why in that world everyone always seems full of vim and vigor, raring to go, which we apparently too quick to interpret as a tendency to be aggressive and violent and full of ill-concealed hatred for the Infidel. Apparently it’s a question of being six hundred years younger.
And there is one more thing. It’s what might be called the Self-
Esteem problem. Muslims are taught – it’s in the Qur’an – that they are the “best of peoples.” They are taught that the whole world belongs to them, even if part of it is still in the control of Infidels, still part of Dar al-Harb. And this does not appear to them to be right. It appears to them to be a monstrous injustice, and among the symbols of that monstrous injustice are the placement of the Prime Meridian, but even more infuriating, even more humiliating, is the fact that not only Christians, but all non-Muslims, seem quite content to accept this B.C. and A.D. dating. It’s true, that here and there one can find a Hebrew calendar, and perhaps a Hindu one too, but these are strictly for limited religious use, and the same people who have Hebrew and Hindu calendars for religious purposes have long ago gotten used to, and use without anguish, the generally-accepted calendar that is based on the birth of Christ (who may in fact have been born in four B.C., but that’s a different matter).
We are all worried about Muslim Self-Esteem, and winning Muslim hearts and Muslim minds. Why, it’s become a preoccupation of many people in the governments, in the security services, of the West. What better way to show our good faith, our willingness to compromise, than to accept the Muslim dating from the year of the Hegira, 632 A.D., and then, to make sure that there is no further decalage between the Muslim lunar and the non-Muslim solar calenders, to do away with the problem of calendrical correspondences by simply mandating that only one calendar – lunar or solar – be followed, that we non-Muslims choose to follow the Lunar Calendar of the Muslims, so that from now on, when they read Western newspapers, or hear about a “New Year” celebration in Sydney or New York or Paris, they won’t feel at all left out, but always feel, not only included, but right at the center of things, of all things, as of course they should be, as is only right, as they deserve.
The Book of Daniel, Mrs J., 7:25--cf Daniel, 2:21, by way of contrast. "The little horn" is described here in Chapter 7; he thinks to assume a prerogative of the Most High. Mohammadan calendar reform--deformation and retrogression, that is--in prefigurement; so says I.
Quran Science is always good for a bit of fun. Except I can´t help feeling I shouldn´t make fun of ignorant people .....but if they have enough savvy to put it up on YouTube or websites, they really should know better and I must conclude they are quite mad instead.
And I can´t help feeling I shouldn´t make fun of mad people. But then I remember that mad science is terribly dangerous when put to use by mad people, and I can continue looking for a bit of fun. Case closed.
"...the supremacy of Greenwich Mean Time is being challenged by a gargantuan new clock being built in Mecca, by which the world's 1.5 billion Muslims could soon be setting their watches..." --from the article
The above sentence proves the maxim that Moslems can't even agree on the time of day, LOL.
Since Mecca time is three hours ahead of London time, does this mean that Somali pirates will run the risk of waiting three hours for scheduled shipments to pass by their coast? Or that jihadist hijackers might get on the wrong flight in some Western airport? Or that the Space Shuttle might return from orbit three hours ahead of its Moslem astronaut crew?
Ahh! Now here's a series of problems worthy of the finest minds in Moslem science!
The Western mind finds Muslim science sooooo confusing, as they tend to over think on any given subject. The ignorant, illiterate has no problem visualizing a mudhole that swallows something up, and Allah is pleased with them.
It is narrated on the authority of Abu Dharr that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) one day said: Do you know where the sun goes? They replied: Allah and His Apostle know best. He (the Holy Prophet) observed: Verily it (the sun) glides till it reaches its resting place under the Throne. Then it falls prostrate and remains there until it is asked: Rise up and go to the place whence you came, and it goes back and continues emerging out from its rising place and then glides till it reaches its place of rest under the Throne and falls prostrate and remains in that state until it is asked: Rise up and return to the place whence you came, and it returns and emerges out from it rising place and then it glides (in such a normal way) that the people do not discern anything ( unusual in it) till it reaches its resting place under the Throne.
Sahih Muslim, Book 001, Number 0297:
I, being one that obsesses and muses far too much, think it presumpteous that the Saudis would dare to mark time. It is the sun that lays prostrate under Allah's throne, and only when Allah's commands it to rise up does it go to the place whence it came. Why would the Saudis dare to give meter to Allah's whim? Muslim Science is a mystery indeed.
based on the birth of Christ (who may in fact have been born in four B.C., but that’s a different matter).
...maybe he was in the womb four years, too.
For one thing, it's asinine to have the centre of world time in a place where most of the world isn't allowed to visit.
From Hugh:
"And since so many of us, or all of us, were born Muslims, wouldn't it make sense to stop going by B.C. and A.D. or even B.C.E. which obliquely recognizes Christianity has having pride of place or space or time, and use Muslim chronology, Muslim time, Muslim A.H. which would then make scarily-old Mother Earth not 2010 years old, and counting, but at least a thousand years earlier, putting a smile on her face, and a spring in her step."
Ah, does this indicate that they think the world was created on the day of Mo's hatching, or that everything before that simply doesn't matter, whether the world was "created" in 4004 BC (as per Bishop Ussher and his modern-day creationist heirs) or is roughly 4.5 billion years old (as per the best current scientific evidence, and therefore the most likely and realistic answer)?
I never heard of ANYONE who thought the world was only 2,010 years old before.
Subtlety And Understatement Don't Impress Arrogant, Ridiculously Absurd Bedouins In Arabia.
So what if Mecca is aligned with the magnetic north pole. Lines of longitude run through the geographic north pole. As far as longitude is concerned, the magnetic north pole is irrelevant. Anyway, this whole discussion is academic because I remember reading somewhere that some well respected imam has determined that the earth is flat.
Given, as they are, to constructing gargantuan monstrosities, like this clock-tower.
Several years the Kuffir Space Gods had the bright idea of sending a Muzzie (a Malay) into space. (Why? Bush Muzzie outreach?) Only the Kuffirs could do such a thing because, on their own, the Muzzies could never even think of such an adventure; along the same lines that this Muzzie mega-clock could never have been built without the ingenuity of the Kuffir. “O Allah [as in ‘I’ll hava Coke, Pepsi’], why have you cursed the best of people with no brains, but have amply supplied the infidels with knowledge & clear thinking, leaving us so ashamed and in poverty.”
But the Malaysian Space Agency (Huh? Who knew such a thing existed!), a part of the Dept of Islamic Development Mayalsia, wrestled with the greatest technical problem of the entire then-upcoming flight, How to face Mecca from outer space?
The result, A Guideline of Performing Ibadah at the International Space Station (ISS), which concludes, “It is hoped that this guideline could assist the Muslim Astronaut to ensure the success of the mission and at the same time attaining the redha (pleasure) of Allah SWT.”
Get that? The purpose of this nonsensical “guideline” (giggle) is to help the Muzzie “ensure the success of the mission.”
This pdf guideline is found here,
http://makkah.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/a_guideline_ibadah_at_iss.pdf
This guideline also gives instruction on how to handle death in space. In case the deceased cannot “be brought to Earth for normal funeral process,” then “the deceased should be buried in space with a simple funeral process.”
Whew! A load off my mind. Except, how is one “buried in space.”
"Living by Mecca time
Living by Mecca time
All you dhimmis better get in line
Living by Mecca time"
Apologies to Don Williams
I thought Islam was such a great source for scientific discovery? All the great achievements of mankind are due to Islam! Islam invented the zero, therefore, islam invented mathematics and without mathematics science doesn't work. Hence all scientific discoveries are due to Islam!
But then, when muslim scholars meet science, the result is utter nonsense! I say this as a physicist. Something is fishy here?!?;-)
This is hilarious;-) This is memorable!
From Daily Mail article
"German and Swiss engineers designed the clock and according to the Ministry of Religious Endowments, the entire project will cost $800 million."
Wait, whey enlist the Swiss?! Everyone knows the Saudis are the best at everything!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1302054/Giant-500m-clock-built-Islamic-holy-city-Mecca.html#ixzz0wJRa47FF
So far it was thought it was the Koran and its tenets, that was keeping the Islamic world in a state of medieval barbarism. But this scientific discovery sheds new light. Its not the Koran but lack of magnetic field, as well as reduced gravity (how a zero magnetic field reduces gravitation, is a topic that must be researched asap), that is responsible.
Maybe Obama can ask NASA to look into this.
Does this have anything to do with that Flake from NASA? You know, the one helping them with Science.
Has no headway been made or are we looking at why The NASA budget was wacked as it was?
So tired of Islam and all its ludicrousness, avarice and viciousness. Why isn't everyone?
This the science of people who couldn't count beyond five before the so called Arabic numerals reached Arab scientists and mathematicians from Hindu India. Ha, ha, ha,.... LOL....
A witty comment to the Telegraph article:
Oh! Muslims are complaining it overshadows the Kaba, making the Kaba look tiny, insignificant and unimportant. We haven´t heard the last of this.
Hey, they make me laugh sometimes. How can anyone get tired of something that makes them laugh, like this clock.
From an article by Agence France Press:
The clock will be the focus. Elevators will take visitors up to a huge viewing balcony just underneath the faces, and also a four-story astronomical observatory and Islamic museum.
"The construction of the biggest clock in the world in the purest spot on the earth is a dream-come-true for Muslims," said Atif Felmban, who lives in the city.
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And no non-Muslims will ever see it. The Muslims of the world will have to tell themselves how wonderful they are. They'll never get validation from anyone else unless they let non-Muslims into their stupid city.
This is more than a clock. It's a huge complex that can hold up to 65,000 people. It's meant to increase the number of visitors Mecca can accomodate during the hajj (they must have a cash flow shortage).
It's has luxury apartments and hotels. How does that comport with Islam?
My God, if you are a Muslim reading this, you have to question everything you've ever been told.
What exactly shows Allah's infallibility?
What exact miracles were wrought through the creation of this oppression machine called Islam?
Why would you agree to have your mind voluntarily stilled by adhering to this fossil?
How does the average Moslem deal with their well deserved low esteem? In the Moslem mind (for example)if one of their fellow headbanging zombies had invented the cigarette lighter for the car, they would all claim the that Islam invented the automobile. Their only hope is to hopelessly exaggerate their pathetically meager contributions to the scientific world.
Thank you, John.
Who deserve to manage things astronomical better than the Muslims?
Why their wise Qu'ran, the eternal word of Allah no less, knew long before the West that the sun sets down in a muddy pond surrounded most likely by muddy sun worshipers!
They will ask thee of Dhu'l-Qarneyn. Say: I shall recite unto you a remembrance of him.
Lo! We made him strong in the land and gave him unto every thing a road.
And he followed a road
Till, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring, and found a people thereabout. We said: O Dhu'l-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness.
Quran 18:83-86
I wonder what Allah, sitting on his throne, is writing in His books about this clock? The Saudis, were is their Zakat for Dar al-Islam's flood victims in Pakistan? The Tower of Tourist Drawing Power sucking up all those petrodollars? None left for ignorant, the poverty stricken? Oh, that's right, Allah wants to keep the faithful on the edge of their seats. The flood is just a short news reel. The main feature, coming to a Holy Land near you, is around the corner. Just don't set your clock by it.
No matter what the hour, it is always the 6th century to a muslim.
That clock is one ugly looking knock-off of a real clock tower in London.
TALK ABOUT TACKY!!UCK!
"So far it was thought it was the Koran and its tenets, that was keeping the Islamic world in a state of medieval barbarism. But this scientific discovery sheds new light. Its not the Koran but lack of magnetic field, as well as reduced gravity (how a zero magnetic field reduces gravitation, is a topic that must be researched asap), that is responsible."
It likely has something to do with G.U.T., super-strings, and dark energy. The Black Stone, the "holy rock from the heavens", probably contains a super-string, which focuses dark energy, thereby nullifying magnetism, and reducing gravity. As you say, physicists should study this closely.
Alas, that won't happen, since one must be Moslem to enter Mecca, and Islam has produced precious few top-notch physicists. There's been only one Moslem Nobel physicist, Abdus Salaam, and since he was an Ahmadi heretic, his homeland of Pakistan has declared that he was not a Moslem; and as an Ahmadi he would not have been allowed to enter Mecca. So we'll never know how it all works.
ROBERT YOU SCREW UP BIG TIME AGAIN RAMADAN START ON WEDNEY DAT AUG 11,2010. Our mosque start Ramadon when Saudic Arbric start start Ramadon.
When Appol 11 was on it way to the moon they pick up radio wave from Earth on than wave length never use before. They trace it to the Holy Site in Mecca than NASA post it on they wedsite untril far rightwing christian and unbeliver in Allah scienceist force NASA to take it down.
The Saudis - as usual - take a good piece of architecture and make it look like it was pinched from a tarts boudoir!
This one's really making me laugh.
Defender - you are just making it worse. Please emulate Abdullah Bhullah, the wacky mullah and retreat to a hidden cave so that history can march past you towards a bright kuffar future.
Defenderifislam, I think you are confusing the signal from the Cartoon Network since only nonsense comes out of Mecca, Medina, and all the other countless Islamic "holy sites" that seem to spring up like wild mushrooms after a rain storm.
And by the way, you call yourself a defender of the cult. But if Islam is sooooooo self-evidently true, why is any defense of it necessary? So brittle is Islam that it cracks, and its adherents crack up, at the least analysis. Man, your cult can't stand up to common sense, yet you devote yourself and your efforts to such a fraud. Carry on with your delusions.
1. Who you callin' Robert?
2. Only the Telegraph said anything about a start date, or something happening near a start date.
Cordially,
Not Robert
more islamic science & logic
try not to eat or drink when eating!!
http://uiforum.uaeforum.org/showthread.php?415-Jinn
also sometime ago I came across a story of a pak "scientist" who said that energy from jinns could be harnessed as a form of green energy, does anyone have a link?
DefenderrofIslam, we love you! You display all the traits of the regular muslim. You display a complete lack of knowledge and critical thinking. You believe any ridiculous conspiracy theory offered to you in defense of your faith.... But, I urge you to stay here and dispute with us if you dare. Scared of becoming an apostate?
Muslim scientists?
What an oxymoron, a total contradiction of terms.
Scientists have an open mind. Islam is totally opposed to an open mind. If it ain't in the Koran then forget it.
Muslims at one time made major contributions to science.
But that was hundreds of years ago. They have since slid into the Dark Ages.
Not a single Muslim contribution to science can currently be found.
Their absurd ideology masquerading as a religion trumps everything.
And they are determined that the rest of us should join them in their insanity.
What a bunch of losers.
http://www.jewishdailyreport.wordpress.com
Good job as always, Scaramouche!
800 million Muslim dollars are available for that project yet our tax dollars are being sent to help the people in Pakistan.
"So tired of Islam and all its ludicrousness, avarice and viciousness. Why isn't everyone?"
That's a very good question! Might i add "arrogance" to your list?
I agree with your post with the exception of,
islam has always expropriated ideas and innovations from non muslims and then claimed them as their own.
This article was a rebuttal to Carly Fiorina's claim of islam's "contribution" to the sciences in a speech she gave shortly after 9/11.
It was an excellent rebuttal then and is still extremely valuable today for countering revisionist history.
Unfortunately, the article I linked to does NOT have the links in Peter BetBasoo's original.
ROFL! This guy, maybe.
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/02/world/nation-challenged-nuclear-fears-pakistani-atomic-expert-arrested-last-week-had.html
ebonystone wrote: It likely has something to do with G.U.T., super-strings, and dark energy. The Black Stone, the "holy rock from the heavens", probably contains a super-string, which focuses dark energy, thereby nullifying magnetism, and reducing gravity. As you say, physicists should study this closely.
Gosh. All this has been happening, oh well, right from the time the Black Stone hit the desert, and no one knew.
OK, no real scientist can get into Mecca with his head still on his shoulders. But this zero dc magnetic field
+ reduced gravity should be detectable from space, or even from the ground.
Let us try - first a ground based approach. We start with nothing fancier then a precision GPS. As a precision GPS accounts for time dilation in gravitational fields(General Theory), and given that GPS engineers would not have known about the Kabba effect, the position, or better, the time would be different from the one predicted by the GPS.
As time can be measured to fine accuracy in parts per billion, we will have the answer.
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What do you think? I know, I know, this whole news should be treated with the ridicule that it deserves.
"This claim that the holy city is a "zero magnetism zone" has won support from some Arab scientists like Abdel-Baset al-Sayyed of the Egyptian National Research Centre who says that there is no magnetic force in Mecca.
"That's why if someone travels to Mecca or lives there, he lives longer, is healthier and is less affected by the earth's gravity," he said. "You get charged with energy."
Oh, boy. But who needs fast and true scientific facts when it's more convenient to Islamo-centric stupidity to argue something else, or even to dredge up "scientific facts" that are in actuality superstitious and untrue?
The Talmud claims that Jerusalem is at the center of the universe; but one doesn't see Jews manipulating the situation to place that holy city at the center of some new time-telling paradigm.
Prove it, pretzel-boy.
(Apologies to Jason Alexander and the ladies of the Snackwell cookies commercials)
L.E.E.D Silver Certified and Volt ready.
Cut down those windmills, they do not please Allah..
Here is the future! Islam has solved it all, yet again!
http://www.wdccduckman.com/images/aladdin/genie/2006genie.jpg
...LOL!!!!
There was no such thing as a website when Apollo 11 went to the moon, dipsnort.
apostate wrote: " sometime ago I came across a story of a pak 'scientist' who said that energy from jinns could be harnessed as a form of green energy, does anyone have a link?"
I hope nobody tells Algore and the global warming lobby about this. Otherwise they'll have Congress passing laws mandating that utilities get 10% of their electricity from jinn-power by 2020.
So tired of Islam and all its ludicrousness, avarice and viciousness. Why isn't everyone?
Muslims could be ludicrous and avaricious all day long and I wouldn't care. They could even be vicious all day long and I wouldn't care, since "vicious" strictly speaking does not necessitate violently forcing others to be affected by one's depravity.
It is the added factor of violent supremacism, encoded in their blueprint which they fanatically follow, that tips Muslims over the edge from the merely ridiculous, the merely pathetic, the merely vile -- all of which may be tolerated legally -- to the intolerably deadly.
baest wrote: "Wait, whey (sic) enlist the Swiss?!"
Well, remember that the Moslem calendar is off by about 11 days/year. That's proportional to about 45 minutes/day. Assuming that they can't build a clock any better than they can design a calendar, it wouldn't be long before they were praying at some pretty strange hours of the day.
Facts:
Big Ben has nothing to do with GMT.
Few people have ever seen Big Ben, which is the bell housed in the clock tower.
The Royal Observatory at Greenwich(longitude 0 0 0) hosts the world time clock by the grace of a tossed coin. Had that fateful coin landed on its other side, the Saudis would be trying to usurp PMT (Paris Mean Time).
Now that Saudi Arabia has a clock, calls are going out for Western Technicians to teach the locals. Should be a boon for the western enconomies.
Ludicrousness, avarice and viciousness will inevitably add up to violent supremacism. Again, Hesperado, you put too fine a point on things.
I'll give you that, PMK. Muslims do make me laugh on many occasions. They are often, actually usually, so silly when they aren't violent (and even sometimes when they are), that all you can do is look at the rubes and wonder how such a large portion of the human race could descend to the idiotic with the frequency that Muslims do.
Here's a thought for you: Suppose, just for argument's sake, Muslims are correct and that Islam is the true faith (kinda' scary, eh?). If so, I'm reminded of a Marlene Dietrich quote, to wit, if there's a Supreme Being, he's crazy.
I say all us infidel dogs chip in to donate the WORLD'S LARGE CUCKOO for this crazy Islamo-clock.
Wellington and Hesperado,
Why don't the two of you take your discussion "indoors?"
Honestly, you two are trite and boring.
-- all other JihadWatchers watch how they respond --
I hope no one minds my re-posting my comment from 2008, the last time this idiotic subject came up:
What a bunch of morons.
Accurate timekeeping had been a growing concern of Europeans since the rennaissance. It became a more urgent issue with the development of other accurate modern inventions--steamboats, the telegraph, and especially the railroads.
The earth orbits the sun constantly, so noon in one town can be just a few minutes different from noon in a neighboring town. Small towns often adopted the timekeeping of a nearby city--in many ways, this was more efficient, but it made for the bizarre phenomenon of railroad schedules often indicating that a train would reach a station several minutes *earlier* than the last station where it stopped.
What this meant is that people were rarely certain exactly when they, or their goods, needed to be at the depot. Even worse, it made connections between conveyances almost impossible to coordinate--on paper, passengers on the train from Manchester might have five minutes to connect with the train to London--in reality, it missed the train entirely by two minutes.
Not surprisingly, the British railroads were the first to adopt Greenwich Mean Time, in 1847.
So why Greenwich? Is there some sort of mystical alignment claimed for Greenwich, as this panel in Qatar claims for Mecca?
Certainly not. many scientists had been working on the concept of what would later be designated as "time zones"--in Britain, France, Germany and the US, most notably. The most sophisticated work, and the model which eventually was adopted by most of the world, was developed at the Royal Naval Observatory, just south of London at Greenwich.
Greenwich is important for that reason, but for that reason only. The "prime meridian" could have been arbitrarily set anywhere in the world, and have worked just as well, as long as it was universally agreed to.
Sure, the existance of the British Empire, with its great importance in world trade and diplomacy, was a factor in the adoption of GMT. But it was not "imposed"--there was no need. Most industrial nations were quite eager to embrace a practical, efficient system of univeral time.
Only France, which had a turbulent relationship with Britain over most of the nineteenth century, did rather balk at the prime meridian being located so near London. French scientists suggested to their British counterparts that they "split the difference" between London and Paris time, which would set the prime meridian somewhere in the English channel. English scientists, at no surprise to anyone, were not terribly enthused at the suggestion.
It would have been no more than symbolic, anyway, and France did eventually formally designate GMT. By this time, most French industry had already long since adopted its use.
There is no indication that any "Muslim scientists" were doing any work on acurate timekeeping. In fact, the first public clock anywhere in the Muslim world was installed in Constantinople in 1849 by a British clockmaker, a Mr. Vulliamy. The clock's installation was rabidly fought by Muslim religious leaders, who felt that an infidel device keeping accurate time would undercut their own authority as determing when Muslims had to pray.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/04/muslim-scientists-and-clerics-its-time-for-mecca-time.html#comment-523971
"Wellington and Hesperado,
Why don't the two of you take your discussion "indoors?"
Honestly, you two are trite and boring."
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Aiken Bryce,
With all due respect -- because I don't know you nor do I recall seeing you around here on JW much (very infrequently? at all?) -- why don't you take your complaint "outdoors?"
Wellington, at least, is one of our "professors" here on the comments boards of JW, and many people, myself included, very much benefit from and enjoy his writings and arguments for or against this or that topic.
There are a great many things to be learned from such "lectures," and I, for one, find them enlightening.
If you don't like his commenting/teaching style, why don't you just skip past his comments.
Thanks Wellington.
Here's a link to hours of fun: http://www.islamicmoon.com/
When I was in Saudi Arabia as a consultant to the national airline (Saudia) in the mid to late 1980s the moon was not sighted one year as anticipated and the guys in charge of the sighting (ulema) decreed that the start of the new year must be delayed by one day. The airline had already accepted tens of thousands of reservations throughout its system for certain dates on the hejira calendar. The reservation system did not have a function to shift the calendar, so at airports served by the airline worldwide, thousands of passengers showed up at Saudia check-in counters a day early, only to be informed that their flights were tomorrow. The airline had also printed hundreds of thousands of schedule booklets that showed the wrong correspondence between the hejira calendar and the calendar used by the rest of the world. Reservations data was also shared with other major airline reservations systems so thousands of connecting passengers who began their trips on other airlines were stranded in transit terminals at intermediate airports around the globe. The chaos in the airline's reservation and scheduling system persisted for months. It was hilarious and the few of us infidels who were witness to the debacle are reaping the benefits of the amusement to this very day.
If there is Swiss involvement in the design of the clock tower, that explains why it is not in a minaret.
If there were even a remote possibilty that the prime meridian were to be repositioned, I'd say put it through Ground Zero as a lasting reminder of the true face of Islam.
Hi all:
I saw an artist rendered photo and it's quite kitchy.
Some additional observations: It suffers from giganticism so typical of authouritarian and totalitarian regimes. Not only will it be 500 m tall but will house 4 luxury hotels and have a 4 storey observatory
Second, the clock makers are a Dubai owned German company
Third the clock looks very much like a kitchy copy of Big Ben. The clock will be have 2 million LEDs and on special occasions will light up with additional illumination.
Fourth, no one will change Greenwich so if the Moslems want to do it, they can do so and disrupt so much their schedules that no one will want to do business with them. Uncertainty is a serious business cost that no none wants to be saddled with during these tough economic times
xavier
For the past 125 years, the international community has accepted that the start of each day should be measured from the prime meridian, representing 0 degrees longitude, which passes through the Greenwich Observatory.
And here I thought the start of each day was measured from the International Date Line, representing (roughly) 180 degrees longitude. You learn something new every day.
"That's why if someone travels to Mecca or lives there, he ..... is less affected by the earth's gravity,"
Of course! Non-believers would have their heads cut off if they travel to Mecca! Decapitation makes anyone shorter and enhances their centre of gravity
Never had so much FUN. Needed that, thanks.
Wellington,
There are plenty of ludicrous, avaricious and vicious non-Muslims in the world. What makes Muslims different from them, and more worthy of our time and attention?
There are a hell of lot more of them, they have financial backing often times that other miscreants don't, they tend to work in groups and they are possessed of religious zealotry which many other ridiculous, greedy and vicious folks don't have as a motivator. How's that for starts?
Xavier wrote:
Third the clock looks very much like a kitchy copy of Big Ben.
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Right you are—nothing original here—what a surprise!
Here's a rendering of the cheezy proposed clock:
http://en.islamtoday.net/index.php?q=sites/default/files/imagecache/home_thumb/mecca_clock_towe.jpg