Fjordman: On the Illusion of a Moderate Islam

On the Illusion of a Moderate Islam
by Fjordman

This essay overlaps to some extent with earlier essays of mine regarding the alleged existence of a "moderate Islam," including Do we want an Islamic Reformation? and Why We Cannot Rely on Moderate Muslims. In this discussion I take as my starting point the fact that the traditional Islamic religious texts -- the Koran supplemented by secondary sources such as the hadith literature -- through a straightforward reading encourage perpetual violence against non-Muslims around the world until the global supremacy of Islam and its followers has been firmly established. There are plenty of studies available confirming this. Muslim scholars themselves, including prominent ones such as al-Ghazali and Ibn Khaldun, have supported this view for well over one thousand years and continue to do so in the twenty-first century.

One complicating factor is that lying to or deceiving non-Muslims using techniques known as taqiyya and kitman are perfectly permissible in Islam and widely practiced by Shias and Sunnis alike. The claim that this strategy exists within Shia Islam alone is false; for example, the Palestinian Sunni Jihadist leader Yasser Arafat (1929-2004) at the same time as he was talking about "peace" to Westerners -- a game of deception which earned him a share in the Nobel Peace Prize in 1994 -- to Arabic-speaking audiences suggested that the Oslo peace negotiations with Israelis were merely temporary measures similar to the Treaty of Hudaybiyya between Muhammad's followers and the non-Muslim Qurayshi tribe of Mecca, which was promptly broken as soon as the Muslims felt strong enough to get away with it.

Many Muslims, for instance Tariq Ramadan, are known to put up a "moderate" face in front of an infidel audience but present a very different message when addressing Muslims in their own language. Generally speaking it is permissible for Muslims to lie, or withhold the truth, if they cannot yet force their will on their opponents by brute force, as long as they keep the "true Islam" alive within their hearts. This does of course not mean that all Muslims do this always, but it is a common strategy employed particularly where Muslims are a minority.

In plain words this means that if Western countries ever become serious about closing their borders to Muslim immigration and expelling sharia-sponsoring persons from their lands, we should expect to see an immediate, massive increase in the number of "kind" and "tolerant" Muslims in the West, but many of them would be lying and biding their time for better days.

The trouble with self-proclaimed "moderate Muslims" is that many of them, most likely the majority, use deception to confuse the infidels while infiltrating their societies. This implies that non-Muslims cannot know for sure whether Muslims are being honest with them or not and can never fully trust them. It does not mean that "moderate Muslims" don't exist in the form of individuals who genuinely desire to live in peace with their neighbors -- people aren't born Jihadists just because they have a Muslim name -- but it is extremely hard for infidels to distinguish between those who are genuine and those who are merely trying to deceive us.

A soft-spoken Muslim can potentially without warning turn militant and go on a killing spree, a phenomenon dubbed "Sudden Jihad Syndrome." Besides, well-meaning peaceful individuals with Muslim names can easily be sidelined, intimidated and silenced by their more violent and ruthless co-religionists. Finally, from a straightforward reading of Islamic scriptures and history, militant Jihadists frequently have a better scriptural and theological backing for their views than the so-called moderates. In short, the question isn't whether there are moderate Muslims but whether there is a moderate Islam. The likely answer to this is no.

There is talk about the prospects of an "Islamic Reformation." This primarily happens in the West, not in India, China or among Eastern Orthodox Christians because it reminds Westerners of the Protestant Reformation in sixteenth century Europe that split the Roman Catholic Church from Protestant reformers who refused to acknowledge the leadership of the Pope and criticized some of the doctrines and practices of the Catholic Church. The Protestant Reformation triggered generations of regional turbulence in Europe; a hypothetical Islamic Reformation would likely cause generations of international turbulence, which is not an altogether pleasant scenario in a nuclear-armed world connected by intercontinental travel.

Any comparison between Christianity and Islam only takes you so far. There is no centralized hierarchical structure in Islam to rebel against similar to the Vatican in the Roman Catholic Church, but that is not the most important difference. The question of whether or not Islam can be reformed hinges upon your definition of the term "reformation." Many Westerners implicitly envision something along the lines of "peaceful, non-sharia based with respect for individual choice and freedom of speech." In other words: "Reform" is vaguely taken to mean "less sharia and violent Jihad," although this is often implied and not explicitly spelled out.

Reformers such as Martin Luther and John Calvin called for a return to a Golden Age of pure, early Christianity. Although the Protestant Reformation was a turbulent period, it did pave the way for more religious freedom in Christian Europe in the long run. This was partly because Christians could return to the example, as contained in their Gospels, of an early age where the founder of their religion and his disciples led a largely peaceful movement separate from the state. Muslims, on the other hand, can find a similar example only in the Mecca period since in Medina, if you rely on traditional history, Muhammad became a ruler who wielded political as well as religious power and waged wars against those who disagreed with him.

As long as the writings from the violent Medina period remain in force, any return to the "Golden Age" of early Islam will imply a return to intolerance, militant Islamic supremacism and Jihad violence. Some observers look for a "Muslim Martin Luther" who is expected to end the resurgent Jihad. But one could argue that we already have such a person: He's called Osama bin Laden. If "reform" is taken to mean a return to the historical period of the religious founder and his followers then it will inevitably lead to an upsurge in Jihadist violence, since that was what Muhammad and his companions actually did according to Islamic scriptures.

Can there be such a thing as a reformed, moderate Islam in the sense of a creed whose followers and believers will: coexist peacefully and on equal terms with non-Muslims, without forcing their beliefs or rule on anybody; refrain from reacting violently to perceived criticisms or insults of their Prophet or Holy Book; accept that individual Muslims should be free to openly leave their Faith if they so desire; accept that religion is primarily a private matter that should not regulate all of society according to unequal and totalitarian sharia law?

My bet is that such a version of Islam is unlikely to materialize and even less likely to succeed. I will now take a look at a few hypothetical ways in which this religion might be reformed and show why they probably won't achieve much success in the long run. Some of them already have been tried, but with only moderate success or among very marginal groups.

One possible solution could be to restrain or cage Islam within a framework of rigidly enforced secularism. This kind of muscular secularism has been attempted under Mustafa Kemal Atatürk ("Father of Turks," 1881-1938), military officer and autocratic founder of the Republic of Turkey, serving as its first president after the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire following the First World War. An admirer of the European Enlightenment, he sought to modernize his country by turning it into a secular nation-state and reducing the influence of Islam in Turkish political life as much as practically possible through a far-reaching program of political, economic and cultural reforms whose principles are commonly referred to as Kemalism. In 1924 he abolished the institution of the Caliphate. Although it had existed in name only for over a thousand years and was devoid of real power, it nevertheless served as a formal link with the first Caliphs after Muhammad's death and a symbol of (largely imaginary) Islamic unity. For this reason, millions of Muslims would like to recreate the Caliphate and restore it as a symbol of and vehicle for achieving Islamic global supremacy.

These reforms were partly successful, but they came at a price. Since Muslims are accustomed to venerating a particular person, Atatürk created something of a cult surrounding his person that could have been considered "Fascist" in other times and places. Visitors to Turkey have described what might be called the competing personality cults of two individuals: Atatürk and Muhammad. In the end, it appears as if Muhammad won this contest.

Secular or not, Turkey has never been a beacon of tolerance. The rather few non-Muslims who have remained in the country face harassment, sometimes of a brutal nature. Serious riots broke out in Istanbul on September 6, 1955 which led to looting in Christian neighborhoods and the destruction of many of the city's churches and Jewish synagogues. More than 5,000 shops belonging to the Greek minority were looted by an emotional crowd of thousands of Turkish Muslim militants who carried out several "circumcisions" on the spot with knives.

The one thousand year long Turkish Jihad against Greek-speaking Christians continued when the allegedly secular Turkey invaded the island of Cyprus in 1974, ethnically cleansing nearly 200,000 Greek Cypriots from their homes and replacing them with Turks. During the last years of the Ottoman Empire in the late 1800s and early 1900s, Turkish Muslims repeatedly massacred Bulgarians, Serbs and other Christian subject peoples who were perceived to be disobedient dhimmis, culminating in the outright Jihad genocide of Armenian Christians. To this day, Turkish authorities flatly deny that there was any systematic effort at forcing Armenians out of eastern Anatolia. Turkey instead claims that hundreds of thousands of Turks were killed by Armenians. Talking about the Armenian Genocide is literally banned by law.

In his article Green Money, Islamist Politics in Turkey, Michael Rubin in the Middle East Quarterly in 2005 warned against an ongoing re-Islamization of Turkey. Recep Tayyip Erdogan's Justice and Reconciliation Party (Adalet ve Kalkinma Partisi, or AKP) swept to power in the parliamentary elections in 2002, aided by public disgust over corruption within long-feuding coalition parties but also by a substantial influx of Yesil Sermaye, "green money," from wealthy Arab businessmen and oil-rich Middle Eastern states. Erdogan was a popular mayor of Istanbul in 1994-98 and worked hard to avoid repeating former mistakes of speaking too overtly about his long-term goals of reestablishing the Islamic profile of Turkey.

Prior to AKP's election victory, Erdogan's ally Abdullah Gül, who in 2007 became President of the Republic of Turkey despite opposition from secular forces, between 1983 and 1991 worked as a specialist at the Islamic Development Bank in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Islamic banks, especially those sponsored by the Saudis, have channeled billions of dollars to enterprises in Turkey and elsewhere. "The growth of the Islamic business sector is apparent across Turkey and appears intricately linked to the AKP's rise. A decade ago, rural and conservative Turks tended to inhabit poorer sections of town and shop in mom-and-pop stores or outdoor markets while wealthier and secular Turks spent their money in modern shops and Western-style supermarkets. Green money investment has caused the pattern to blur."

According to a former member of the AKP, "Before the 2002 election, there were rumors that an AKP victory would lead to an infusion of $10-$20 billion, mostly from Saudi Arabia. It looks like the rumors came true." Wealthier countries such as Saudi Arabia and Malaysia have made their foreign aid to the AKP dependent on Turkey readjusting its position toward Israel. Turkey has since then become much more anti-Israeli, going from being something of a lukewarm ally to being a leader of Islamic hostility to the Jewish state. Turkish authorities have also taken a more active interest in the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC).

As writer Michael Rubin concluded back in 2005, "Today, in private conversations in teahouses and in the National Assembly, many Turkish officials discuss green money and AKP financial opacity as the new threat. Money buys the short-term popularity necessary to initiate long-term changes, be they in Turkey's foreign or domestic policy. Under apparent Saudi influence, such changes will likely further erode Turkish secularism. If the AKP is able to translate money into power and power into money, then the main loser will be Turkish secularism. As an executive with one of Istanbul's largest firms said, 'The AKP is like a cancer. You feel fine, but then one day you start coughing blood. By the time you realize there's a problem, it's too far-gone.'"

During their years in power, the AKP have systematically dismantled many key reforms dating back to Kemalism and have neutered dozens of generals and other officers of senior ranks within the Army, traditionally the guardians of Atatürk's legacy; the Army has intervened on a number of occasions in the past to uphold the secular nature of the state.

An ugly Turkish nationalism with barely concealed neo-Ottoman undertones is on the rise. In 2005, the Nazi leader Adolf Hitler's Mein Kampf ("My Struggle") topped the bestseller list in Turkey, second only to a book about a Turkish national hero detonating a nuclear bomb in Washington D.C, the capital city of its NATO "ally," the USA. In return, both the Republican US President George W. Bush and his Democrat successor Barack Hussein Obama have openly pushed for full membership and access for nearly 80 million Turks to the European Union. So have several British Prime Ministers, including Tony Blair and David Cameron.

Millions of Turks already live within the EU in countries such as Belgium, the Netherlands and particularly Germany, which has a sizeable minority of Turkish descent. Turkish authorities are consciously trying to influence their behavior as well as voting patterns, thereby using them as a spearhead for Turkish Muslim influence in and colonization of Europe. The Turkish government in 2010 angered Turkish-German politicians by inviting them to an Istanbul conference and then urging them to resist social integration in their adopted homeland. Erdogan urged Turks living in foreign countries to take out citizenship of the new homelands -- not to integrate, but rather to become more politically active, according to the website of the Germany's Der Spiegel, Europe's largest weekly magazine. Ali Ertan Toprak, deputy chairman of the Alevi community in Germany, told the news magazine that government representatives had said: "We have to inject European culture with Turkish."

Participants told Spiegel that Erdogan repeated elements of his controversial speech in Germany in 2008 in which he said: "Assimilation is a crime against humanity." The invitation to politicians and religious leaders of Turkish descent included lunch in a five-star hotel in Istanbul and offered to cover their travel costs. The title of the meeting was: "Wherever one of our countrymen is, we are there too." It was organized by Erdogan's reigning AKP.

Prime Minister Erdogan has repeatedly suggested that "Islamophobia" is a crime against humanity and that there is no such thing as moderate Islam vs. radical Islam, there is only Islam. He has also stated that the goal of Turkish foreign policy is to "restore the might of the Ottoman Empire," something that will naturally cause concern among many Greeks, Serbs, Bulgarians, Romanians, Croats, Armenians and other abused former Ottoman subjects.

Srdja Trifkovic, the Serb American author of the excellent book Defeating Jihad: How the war on terror may yet be won, in spite of ourselves, warns against the rise of a neo-Ottoman Turkey. On March 9 2010, King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia presented the Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan with the Wahhabist kingdom's most prestigious prize for his "services to Islam." Erdogan earned the King Faisal Prize for having "rendered outstanding service to Islam by defending the causes of the Islamic nation." As Mr.Trifkovic notes:

"In August 2008 Ankara welcomed Mahmoud Ahmadinejad for a formal state visit, and last year [2009] it announced that it would not join any sanctions aimed at preventing Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons. In the same spirit the AKP government repeatedly played host to Sudan's President Omer Hassan al-Bashir -- a nasty piece of jihadist work if there ever was one -- who stands accused of genocide against non-Muslims. Erdogan has barred Israel from annual military exercises on Turkey's soil, but his government signed a military pact with Syria last October and has been conducting joint military exercises with the regime of Bashir al-Assad. Turkey's strident apologia of Hamas is more vehement than anything coming out of Cairo or Amman. (Talking of terrorists, Erdogan has stated, repeatedly, 'I do not want to see the word 'Islam' or 'Islamist' in connection with the word 'terrorism'!') simultaneous pressure to conform to Islam at home has gathered pace over the past seven years, and is now relentless. . . . Ankara's continuing bid to join the European Union is running parallel with its openly neo-Ottoman policy of re-establishing an autonomous sphere of influence in the Balkans and in the former Soviet Central Asian republics."

There are currently serious cracks in the façade of Turkish secularism. We should remember that Iran, too, was perceived as being a moderate, modern country until a revolution brought the cleric and Jihadist terrorist sponsor Khomeini to power in 1979. The lesson we can draw from this is that Islam can lie dormant for generations, yet strike again with renewed vigor when the opportunity arises. Nearly a century after Atatürk implemented sweeping reforms to curtail Islamic influences in Turkey, Islam is making a roaring comeback in his country.

Kemalism never "cured" Islam; it could be likened to a drug treatment that held some symptoms of an illness temporarily in check, but as soon as the patient stopped taking the drugs the illness bounced back immediately. Kemalism kept Islam at bay for a while but never truly reformed it. If we stick with the analogy of caging a beast we can conclude that this strategy works only for as long as the beast is kept in chains and under close guard. Sooner or later, however, somebody like Erdogan may release it from its prison again.

A few observers claim that certain branches of Shia Islam are supposedly more tolerant than Sunni Islam. Shia is short for shiat Ali, the partisans of Ali. Its followers will be referred to as Shias here, but they are often called Shiites or Shi'ites in English. Fatimah (ca. AD 605-633), the daughter of Muhammad from his first marriage to Khadijah, married Ali ibn Abi Talib (ca. AD 600-661), Muhammad's cousin and son-in-law, the fourth Caliph of the Sunnis and the last of the Rashidun (the "rightly guided" Caliphs who knew Muhammad personally) as well as the first Imam of Shia Islam. Fatimah and Ali in turn became the parents of Hasan and Husayn, the male grandsons of Muhammad who, despite his many wives and concubines surprisingly didn't produce a single son who lived to adulthood. The Day of Ashura, the anniversary of Husayn ibn (son of) Ali's "martyrdom" at the Battle of Karbala in Iraq in AD 680, is a major and bloody festival and day of mourning for Shia Muslims around the world.

Ali was one of the caliphs, "successors" to Muhammad as political leaders and "Commander of the Faithful" (but not divine messengers bringing additional revelations) following his death. They were Abu Bakr (rule AD 632-634), an early convert to Muhammad's cause who married his daughter Aisha, then Omar or Umar Ibn al-Khattab during whose rule from 634-644 Arab armies went beyond the Arabian Peninsula to conquer Mesopotamia, Syria and parts of Iran and Egypt, followed by Uthman ibn Affan from 644-656 and thereafter Ali.

Shias believe that the Caliphate should pass down only through direct descendants of Muhammad via the marriage between Ali and Fatimah, the Ahl al-Bayt or "People of the House" [of the Prophet Muhammad]. The vast majority of modern Shias are "Twelvers" who recognize twelve spiritual leaders or Imams, the last of whom is currently believed to be in hiding but will eventually return. Iran is the stronghold of the Twelvers, but they also constitute the majority of the population in neighboring Iraq. There are sizeable Shia communities in the Yemen, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and India.

Yes, there are theological differences between Sunnis and Shias. These can be significant enough for Muslims themselves but for non-Muslims they are usually not important, apart from the possibility that ethnic and theological fissures between various groups of Muslims can be exploited by outsiders as a part of a "divide-and-rule" policy. Shias, too, want Islam to rule the world; advocate violent Jihad to achieve Islamic supremacy and have the same brutal discrimination of non-Muslims. To illustrate this we can think of the Ayatollah Khomeini (1900-1989), a senior Shia cleric who after the Iranian Revolution that saw the overthrow of the Shah of Iran in 1979 became the Supreme Leader of the newly established Islamic Republic of Iran. He was the ultimate political and religious authority in the country until his death. Since its inception, the IRI has been an extremely repressive state at home and a major sponsor of Jihad terrorism abroad. Shia Islam is not more peaceful than Sunni Islam, nor is it more tolerant, at least not if we're talking about Twelvers. The Ismailis are somewhat better.

Ismailism is generally considered a branch of Shia Islam, the second largest sect of Shiaism but much smaller than the Twelvers. Aga Khan is the hereditary title of the Imam of the largest contemporary branch of Ismaili followers. The Ismailis were most active in medieval times through the Fatimids and the Qarmatians. Al-Azhar in Cairo, Egypt, for centuries the highest center of religious learning for Sunnis worldwide, was ironically founded around AD 970 under the Shia Fatimid Dynasty. They ruled parts of North Africa and the Middle East from the tenth to twelfth centuries and claimed descent from Fatimah, hence the name.

Combined, the adherents of the various branches of Shia Islam amount to less than fifteen percent of Muslims globally, the remaining 85-90% being Sunnis. This makes followers of Ismailism a minority of a minority whose international influence peaked a thousand years ago. Perhaps they are slightly more peaceful than the others and as such preferable, but they are also numerically marginal and therefore largely irrelevant in the greater scheme of things.

Another community that is frequently put under the Shia label is the Alevi community in Turkey. They have several million followers, but their religious beliefs are so different from those of Sunnis and even mainstream Shias when it comes to prayer, pilgrimage, mosque attendance and other core Islamic practices that they are at the very fringes of the Islamic religion, perhaps outside of its boundaries according to some of their many Sunni critics. Alevis praise Ali beyond what mainstream Shias do, comparable to the Alawis or Alawitesin Syria who are viewed with hostility by many Sunni Muslims. The Alevis and the Alawis are most likely too numerically marginal to become a dominant force any time soon, if ever.

The Druze make up a small sect that historically began as an offshoot of Ismaili Islam and whose close-knit communities number a few hundred thousand followers, primarily in the Levant (Syria, Lebanon, Israel and Jordan). Yet their beliefs are so distinct from those of other Muslims that, while Arabic-speaking, they are often classified as a separate religious group. Uniquely, the Druze in Israel participate in active military service in the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) alongside Jews, something which no Muslim community there has ever done.

My view is that as long as you start out with the texts used by orthodox Muslims -- the Koran, the hadith and the Sira -- it is more or less impossible to come up with a peaceful version of Islam. In principle it might be possible to change things by either adding more religious texts or by ignoring some of those that already exist. Both options are problematic, though.

There are the "Koran only" Muslims, who currently constitute an extremely small group of people. They advocate that Muslims should ignore the hadith and the Sira and rely solely on the Koran for guidance. Hadith might be translated as "narrative" or "report" (plural: ahadith, often simply called hadiths in English). They are narrations concerning the words and deeds of Muhammad and his companions, collectively creating a biography of his life. This is important as Muhammad is treated as the "living Koran" whose words and deeds, his Sunna, are considered authoritative and an important source of law for traditional schools of Islamic jurisprudence. While a very large number of presumably fabricated hadith were in circulation by the year 800, something Muslims freely admit, Islamic legal scholars tried to sort out more reliable collections dubbed sahih ("true" or "valid"). The two most highly respected collections of the six primary ones used by Sunnis are those gathered by Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim. Both of them worked in the mid-800s AD, in other words more than two centuries after Muhammad is supposed to have died. Shias have their own hadith collections.

A major practical problem with the "Koran only" approach is that a great deal of information regarding traditional doctrines, including practices related to prayer, pilgrimage and the Five Pillars, are contained exclusively or primarily in extra-Koranic material such as the hadith and are not elaborated upon in any great detail in the Koran. The Koran itself refers to following the example of the Prophet, and that example is to a large extent explained in the hadith literature. Islam as we know it just wouldn't make sense theologically without the hadith.

Moreover, an anti-hadith program would be extremely hard to implement in practice. Traditional sharia law carries the death penalty for apostates, and those who formally choose to ignore the hadith literature can easily be classified and treated as such by orthodox Muslims. Besides, if you remove the hadith literature this will take away some of the most aggressive and violent texts and examples, but the Koran itself has dozens of verses containing hatred for infidels or advocating Jihad, including violent struggle, against non-Muslims to impose Islamic rule on them. It would therefore at best provide a partial solution.

As we have seen, the major hadith collections were gathered a long time after Muhammad and all those who knew him were dead, assuming here that Muhammad as he appears from Islamic sources was an historical person who lived in present-day Mecca and Medina. There are scholars who dispute this, too. We should remember that although it is perfectly possible to question the historical authenticity of many hadith, the same could be said about parts of the Koran as well. It is very difficult and artificial for an objective scholar to claim that "we cannot trust any of the hadith, but the Koran is perfect and can be relied upon." The Koran itself came into existence during a prolonged historical process taking many generations.

All things considered it is highly unlikely whether you could get the majority of the world's Muslims to permanently abandon the hadith literature. Even if you managed to achieve this it would merely remove some of the intolerant texts, not the dozens of Jihad verses found in the Koran itself. The Koran-only approach to Islamic reform is therefore fundamentally flawed.

An even more radical approach would be to ignore the chapters identified with the Medina period and focus on the chapters of the Koran allegedly revealed in Mecca. This would reverse the standard doctrine of abrogation, which stipulates that if there is a conflict between two different Koranic verses then the verse that was revealed last takes priority. This creates a massive headache for champions of a "moderate" Islam because nearly all of the somewhat more tolerant verses and chapters in the Koran are identified with the Mecca period or shortly after the Hijra, the flight or migration of Muhammad and his earliest followers from Mecca to the city of Yathrib (Medina) in AD 622, which is the year when the Islamic calendar begins.

As soon as he was established in Medina, Muhammad became the political leader of an expanding group of people who conducted raiding parties/armed robberies against their opponents. As a consequence, the revelations became progressively more aggressive and violent, cancelling out earlier ones. The traditional interpretation is that the tolerance of Mecca was only because Muhammad and his followers then lacked the strength to intimidate their opponents into submission by brute force. In other words: The Meccan revelations constitute a special case, the Medinan revelations the general case of Islamic behavior.

At least one person in the 1960s and 70s argued that this principle of abrogation should be reversed, that the Mecca period constitutes the general case of Islamic behavior and the "true Islam." This was the Sudanese Muslim writer Mahmud Muhammud Taha. Taha suggested that the violence of the Medina era was because their non-Muslim opponents at that point in time weren't "mature" enough to adopt Islam peacefully and therefore had to be forced to do so, for their own good. Yet in our time, people are supposedly mature enough to recognize Islam as the One True Faith and adopt it voluntarily, hence violence is no longer required.

This sounds fine on paper, until you analyze the details of his arguments and discover that he retained the option of using violence against those "immature" individuals and peoples who do not quietly submit to Islam, which amounts to a highly traditional view of Jihad. The sword should be used as a "surgical tool" to cut them off from the body of society. He supported the idea of slavery on a moral basis today, not just as an historical fact. "Freedom" is identical with sharia and being a slave of Allah. Taha also approved of many of the most appalling aspects of sharia law, such as stoning people to death for adultery and whipping those who enjoy a glass of wine. Yet although Taha's ideas fell far short of what is needed, he was nevertheless considered so controversial that he was executed in his native Sudan in 1985 as an apostate, an adult person who has willfully left the fold of Islam. His example perfectly illustrates the tremendous obstacles and dangers any potential Muslim reformer has to face.

Certain radical scholars such as the German linguist Christoph Luxenberg have suggested that parts of the Koran, especially some of the Meccan chapters, were originally based on pre-Islamic Christian texts written in Syriac or Syro-Aramaic, a Semitic language related to Classical Arabic. Not all critical scholars agree with this hypothesis, but if you take this line of thought seriously then it would fatally undermine the arguments presented by Mahmud Muhammud Taha because it would imply that the most peaceful and tolerant chapters of the Koran, the Meccan suras, are peaceful and tolerant in part because they are based on Christian texts. The much more violent Medinan chapters that were inspired by Muhammad and his companions, whoever they really were, are the most authentically Islamic, the "true Islam."

As these examples demonstrate, reforming Islam by removing or ignoring some of the established texts is very difficult to achieve. Could it be possible to do the reverse, and soften the traditional texts by adding new material to supplement and dilute older texts rather than removing them? In theory, this might be possible. It has already been tried in real life. However, any such attempts will immediately run into powerful opposition from orthodox Muslims who hold that Muhammad was the "Seal of the Prophets" who brought the final revelations from Allah for all eternity to mankind in the form of the Koran. This implies that those who claim to bring new teachings to supplement the Koran will be viewed as imposters.

One personal story illustrating this dilemma is provided by that of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (ca.1839-1908), who was born in Qadian in Punjab in northwest India. He founded the so-called Ahmadiyya movement in 1889 and professed to be a divinely guided reformer and the Mahdi, a messianic figure expected by many (but not all) Muslims to appear before the Day of Judgment, the end of the world as we know it, to rid the Earth of wrongdoing and injustice.

Ghulam Ahmad authored dozens of books and reinterpreted Islam in an entirely new fashion, with far less emphasis on violent Jihad. Yet because of the teachings he added and the divinely inspired mission he claimed for himself most Muslims viewed him as a false prophet. His followers are considered non-Muslims in countries such as Pakistan and Saudi Arabia and are relentlessly persecuted even in a "moderate" Muslim majority country such as Indonesia.

The physicist Mohammad Abdus Salam (1926-1996) was born in then British-ruled India, present-day Pakistan. He received part of his education at the University of Cambridge in England and was awarded the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1979 for contributions to the theory of unified weak and electromagnetic interaction between elementary particles, making him one of very few individuals from a Muslim background to win a science Nobel and the only one so far to win in arguably the most prestigious category, that of physics. Ahmadis don't count as "proper" Muslims, except if they do something great like winning a Nobel Prize, and barely even then. To make matters worse, he shared his Prize with two Jews, the physicists Sheldon Lee Glashow (born 1932) and Steven Weinberg (born 1933) from the USA.

He contributed to Pakistan's nuclear program, but members of the Ahmadiyya community have been physically and legally harassed in Pakistan and charged with being unbelievers "impersonating Muslims." The word "Muslim" has been erased from an epitaph engraved on the tomb of Abdus Salam, which used to read "the First Muslim Nobel Laureate."

The Bahá'í Faith is a monotheistic religion with several million believers. It was born in the nineteenth century and sees itself as the continuation of the world's major religions, not just Islam. Ali Muhammad Shirazi (1819-1850) from Shiraz, Iran at the age of 24 announced himself a messenger of God, rejected violence and holy war (Jihad), recognized the equality of women and took the title the Báb ("Gate"). He wrote numerous letters and books that combined constituted a new religious law. His followers were tortured and killed and he himself was executed in a public square in the city of Tabriz. His remains were eventually brought to a tomb on Mount Carmel in the city Haifa in present-day northern Israel.

Mirza Husayn Ali Nuri (1817-1892) from Iran, later known as Bahá'u'lláh ("Glory of God") to his followers, announced his claim to a divine mission to the followers of the Báb. Those who accepted this became the first members of the Bahá'í Faith. The Turkish Sultan banished him to Akko, where he lived for many years. His remains were buried in a small building there known as the Shrine of Bahá'u'lláh. The scenic Bahá'í Gardens in Haifa and Akko have become popular sites for visitors. Bahá'u'lláh claimed to be the latest in a series of religious messengers to mankind from an almighty and omnipresent God, the previous of whom included such figures as Abraham, the Buddha, Jesus and Muhammad. Yet this view cannot be reconciled with the Islamic doctrine of Muhammad being the final Messenger of Allah.

Bahá'ís are without question more peaceful than most Muslims, but can they be considered Muslims? From an outsiders point of view, it could be said with considerable justification that although it claims to have a connection with previous religions, among them Islam, the Bahá'í Faith amounted to a totally new religion, complete with a set of canonical texts: the writings of the Báb and Bahá'u'lláh. Whereas Ahmadis are treated with suspicion they consider themselves Muslims and are normally referred to as a rather unorthodox Muslim community.

By contrast, Bahá'ís are generally referred to as a separate faith by both themselves and others. They went as far as changing the direction of prayers from Mecca to the Shrine of Bahá'u'lláh in Israel where their Prophet-Founder was buried. They are therefore viewed as apostates by virtually all Muslims, Shias and Sunnis alike, and are ruthlessly persecuted nearly everywhere in the allegedly tolerant Islamic world while they can openly practice their religion undisturbed among the Jews in the supposedly evil, oppressive state of Israel.

You can find what might be termed lax Islam or diluted Islam, yet this is not quite the same as a "moderate Islam," despite what some observers like to think. "Lax Islam" is when its believers don't formally change anything in the core religious texts, but simply choose to deemphasize them and be relaxed in implementing their teachings in real life. Many Sufis could fit into this category since they focus more in the supposedly inner, spiritual side of religion and less on outwardly following its legalistic details. Yet precisely for this reason, Sufis are often treated with corresponding suspicion by stricter Islamic scholars. Sufism has existed for over a thousand years, but it still hasn't managed to create a tolerant Islamic world.

Besides, lax Islam will only provide non-Muslims with a temporary respite, not a lasting antidote to violent Jihad, since the core texts continue to exist. Sooner or later, somebody will come along who takes Islamic written texts seriously and decides to implement them. The Mughal Emperor Akbar the Great (1542-1605) in India was a relatively tolerant ruler for his time because he didn't follow Islamic teachings, but then he was succeeded by Aurangzeb (1618-1707), a pious and serious Muslim who followed Islamic teachings and for that reason was extremely brutal when dealing with Hindus and other non-Muslims within his Empire.

Diluted Islam could be defined as societies where Islam was recently established and is therefore extensively mixed up with preexisting, un-Islamic practices. This is often cited by those who profess their hope in a "regional" and supposedly more tolerant version of Islam somewhere in the Balkans, Africa, India or Southeast Asia. Those who support this hypothesis typically state that Islam is not monolithic, but this becomes less and less true year by year thanks to rapid global communications. Pakistan has virtually wiped out its non-Muslim communities through relentless persecution and is a major sponsor of Jihad terrorism abroad. "Pakistani" or "Indian" Islam appears strikingly similar to Middle Eastern Islam or "desert Islam," as the self-proclaimed reformist Irshad Manji has been known to talk about.

It is true that Muslims in parts of Indonesia have traditionally been less violent than Arab Muslims in the Middle East, but they are more recently converted peoples. The regional differences shrink continuously in our age of globalization as Islam becomes firmly established locally, as believers travel for pilgrimage to Mecca and as local groups get sponsored by Saudi Arabian oil money. If you look at Southeast Asia as a whole, Muslims kill thousands of non-Muslims in regions where they are a sizable minority, for instance in southern Thailand or the Philippines. In allegedly "moderate" Indonesia they have destroyed hundreds of Christian churches. Much the same goes for the Balkans in Southeast Europe.

In the city-state of Singapore, the Muslim minority benefits from the economic affluence generated by the predominately Chinese non-Muslim majority, but they can still cause problems and are kept under close control in a somewhat authoritarian society. Malaysia has been a moderate economic success story mainly because Muslims became a demographic majority not too long ago. Discrimination against non-Muslims is increasing there now.

All things considered, empirical evidence from different continents strongly suggests a common pattern wherein Muslims create repression where they constitute the majority and violent unrest where they constitute the minority. This happens regardless of the ethnic and racial composition of the local population. The only common factor is Islam and the violent supremacist teachings contained in the central texts of this religion. As long as these texts remain unchanged and in force, so will Muslim violence against non-Muslims everywhere.

This leaves another hypothetical possibility for significant change of Islam: That a major armed confrontation with groups of non-Muslims results in such a crushing defeat that it totally shatters the confidence Muslims have in the supremacy of their Faith and their Umma. A Jewish gentleman once pointed out to me that when Roman forces destroyed the Temple in Jerusalem, the earthly center of Judaism, Jewish scriptures didn't change per se but were reinterpreted to fit a new situation in the diaspora, as Jews were scattered in different corners of the world. An equivalent to this in Islam would be the destruction of the major mosques in Mecca and Medina. This analogy is imperfect because Judaism has never advocated world conquest and does not exist as a vehicle for achieving global military dominance. Islam does.

Given that Muslims are currently engaged in open conflicts with most of the global centers of power at the same time, and given that many non-Muslims from North America via Western Europe, Israel, Russia and India to China have nuclear weapons, the destruction of Mecca in the course of the twenty-first century should be treated as a real possibility. What kind of effect such an event would have on the Islamic psyche is hard to predict. Perhaps it would shatter Islam completely because the Islamic mentality is based on dominance and supremacy; perhaps it would create a tidal wave of Muslim anger and global Jihad. It is said that those who live by the sword will also die by it. Islam has certainly lived by the sword. Perhaps the creed will exit world history just as it entered: With a great burst of violence.

To sum up, it is very difficult to see how Islam, based on its existing texts, can be changed into something that is peaceful enough to be satisfactory from a non-Muslim point of view. It is a highly unpleasant thought that a religion with over a billion adherents worldwide is inherently violent and incompatible with a modern society. It is understandable that some observers dislike this idea so much that they create an illusory reality where this isn't the case, but an honest, straightforward reading of Islamic texts leaves us with few other conclusions.

What, then, is to be done? In the short run, damage control. Islam needs to be caged and restrained as much as practically possible and Muslim Jihadists must be deprived of the financial and technological resources to harm us. Wherever possible, non-Muslims should seek to physically separate themselves from Muslims. In the long run, one can only hope that Islam will be broken by its confrontation with modernity before it forces mankind into a massive confrontation that could cause tremendous human suffering before the dust settles.

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"In plain words this means that if Western countries ever become serious about closing their borders to Muslim immigration and expelling sharia-sponsoring persons from their lands..."

Ah, there's the loophole. Apparently, all Muslims who are not "sharia-sponsoring" are okay to remain in the West. It didn't take long for it to pop up. Often when reading various quasi-anti-Islam analysts, one must plow through a few thousand words to get to the soft nougaty PC-MCy center. And so the paradigm is reinforced.

In the abstract, where we assume that all "sharia-sponsoring" Muslims will conveniently wear purple jumpsuits for us to identify them, and where we assume that the West will not continue to allow millions more Muslims to come into the West while it goes about its laboriously slow process of beginning to entertain a systemic criticism of Islam, then Fjordman's logic would be pragmatic. In the concrete situation we are in, however, it would be like talking about trying to extricate with tweezers only the termites who are "house-eating-sponsoring" termites from one's woodwork, allowing the bulk of them to remain because they don't seem to be doing anything ostensibly or overtly dangerous, while most of our family and neighbors are pestering us about how termites are harmless.

The ongoing discussion since 9/11 on the existence moderate Islam or Muslims, as opposed to just Islam and Muslims, is predicated on the belief, or fervent hope, that moderate Muslims will somehow be able to civilise Islam, such that it no longer poses an existential threat to us. There seems to be no end to this debate fuelled by an irrational hope. Let us therefore consider two scenarios where moderate Islam does actually exist, and there are sufficient numbers of Muslims to show this to be the case.

Case 1. Let us consider the situation that moderate Muslims prove that the correct interpretation of Islam was the moderate one (whatever that is). They even go further and make the changes in their teachings of the Koran and the Jihad. Such an outcome would no doubt come as a great relief to all. But I counter that all such changes were being done merely to protect the ummah while it grows at ever-increasing pace in the West. Once a near majority is achieved, that future generation of Muslims will simply revoke any changes and return to the traditions of the Koran. They will even praise this generation of Muslims for having done what was necessary to protect Islam.

The larger the number of Muslims, moderate or radical, the greater will be the demands for Sharia, and politicians will rush to accommodate that demographic. The distinction between moderate Muslims and radical Muslims is therefore meaningless; it is of no help to us.

Case 2. Let us suppose that moderate Muslims came out of hiding and utterly trounce their Jihadi cousins on what constitutes "true" Islam i.e., the moderate, non-violent one. Having got rid of "radical" Islam's main reasons for waging Jihad would not be the end of the matter. Moderate Muslims will demand their price for having kept Jihad, the fundamental directive of Islam, at bay. That price will again be the implementation of Sharia, initially for Muslims anyway. This will come about since moderate Muslims have not abandoned Islam, but are still dutiful Muslims (we will end up with a kind of permanent social coalition government of non-Muslims and moderate Muslims). Even if we agree to this, the "radicals" will still be out there, and amongst us. To keep them at bay, moderate Muslims will be forced to make ever-increasing demands for greater Islamisation. "Good cop bad cop" scenarios come to mind. It will never end except in sharia nationwide.

Placing the future of Western civilisation in the hands of Muslims by making an alliance or coalition with moderate Muslims will be a huge mistake-of the same magnitude as allowing Muslims to settle in the West-since future peace will be dependent on the good will of "moderate" Muslims. In other words, we would have placed the future of our civilisation in the hands of Muslims, in the hope that they do not become less "moderate" in the future, or will not blackmail us.

Yet again, the distinction between moderate Muslims and radical Muslims, or the theoretical existence of a moderate Islam existing somewhere, simply leads no where but the implementation of sharia.

Meanwhile the demographic Jihad, the most pernicious one, continues. What funds and generates the Jihad within, is the total number of Muslims in an Infidel nation. The distinction between radical and moderate Islam, or between radical and moderate Muslims, is meaningless.

"Participants told Spiegel that Erdogan repeated elements of his controversial speech in Germany in 2008 in which he said: "Assimilation is a crime against humanity." "

I remember that very well. You must take into account that many Turks in Germany have dual citizenship. They can vote for Turkey So Erdogan's visit to Germany was really a campaign rally. He openly stated that assimilation is a crime against humanity. Yup.

We have immigrants from poland, italy, serbia, croatian, north africa, ..... we have so many immigrants in Germany, you can't believe it.

We have no problems whatsoever with immigrants from china, japan or (north - former GDR - or south) Korea, Taiwan, Poland, Italy, Spain,...

But immigrants from Turkey do not integrate. All the government statistics show that they are less integrated than any other group.

Then this sun of a gun islamist turkish prime minister comes to our country and tells the turkish immigrants that they shall not integrate, because it is a "crime against humanity".

Since then, the majority of Germans have turned their back against Turkey and further Turkish immigration. Measures have been implemented against Turkish men basically buying their spouses in Turkey and bringing them to Germany after marriage. The women have to pass special tests..... You won't believe it, it's grotesque!

"Moderate" Islam is simply wishful thinking by those unable to to face the reality of Islam as found in the Qur'an, the Sira and the Ahadith.

Islam is weak and dying, but there is nothing more deadly than a wounded animal. We must be willing to defend civilization against savagery. There is no greater hope for humanity (and Muslims) than the ideals of the West.

"The tree of liberty must be nurtured from time to time by the blood of patriots." Thomas Jefferson.

"Reformers such as Martin Luther and John Calvin called for a return to a Golden Age of pure, early Christianity. "

Fjordman, I'd expect better of you--although I agree that our policy elites who talk blithely about the need for an Islamic "Reformation" understand neither Islam, Christianity, nor history (I write as a Christian of the Reformed persuasion myself). Luther, Zwingli, Calvin, Cranmer, and all the Reformers sought a recovery of the biblical Gospel, and they were too good students of the Scriptures to see the churches to whom Paul wrote as a "golden age". Take a quick read of the Corinthian and Galatian epistles of Paul and you'll see what I mean.

Against the institutional church and its sacerdotal control of the sacraments, through which grace is doled out drop by drop, the Reformers said the following of salvation:

(1) By Christ alone: Christ, not the church, saves.

(2) Scripture alone: The Bible alone, not the Bible plus tradition, is the Word of God that brings salvation.

(3) By Faith alone: Man is justified by God by receiving and resting in Christ and in him alone, as he is offered in the Scriptures; not by adding man's own good works to the infinite merits of Christ.

The original Protestantism hence does not seek a rightly guided caliph, new prophet, or anything else. The salvation God gave to our fallen world in Christ was complete in the first century AD and remains complete now.
Finally, the liberty of conscience it sought was the liberty to be bound only by the Word of God rather than that of men.

So, I suppose, Fjordman, that you at least got it right that our post-modern liberal elites don't know what they're talking about.

More later.

As a matter-of-fact, Fjordman is probably right about OBL being a Muslim reformer, in that OBL does indeed want to go back to the sources of Muslim thought and [violent] practice.

What we have in Western capitals is an elite that has little appreciation for its own spiritual heritage. This elite has felt free to try to police the Christian conscience, even when the dust on the typical elite member's Bible is so thick you can write "damnation" in it. It's why people like Pelosi can approve partial birth abortion while claiming to be more Catholic than the Pope; it's why the typical unchurched political activist can accuse Evangelicals of being "un-Christlike" for opposing homosexual marriage. Now they want to pull the same shenanigan on the Muslims, but since they can't tell the Muslims, "Don't shoot, we're your children", the Muslims aren't falling for it.

But this is as far as my congratulation of the Muslims goes. Islam is a frightful parody of a religion; and the kitman and taqiyya which Fjordman exposes cannot but be an insult to Almighty God, whose Word is Truth. This is why I pray for Muslim conversions.

My guess is that the post-modern liberal elite, after freely blaspheming against God and Christ to its heart's desire, won't police the Muslim conscience, but will end up having Muslims policing it.

"Ah, there's the loophole. Apparently, all Muslims who are not "sharia-sponsoring" are okay to remain in the West. It didn't take long for it to pop up. Often when reading various quasi-anti-Islam analysts, one must plow through a few thousand words to get to the soft nougaty PC-MCy center. And so the paradigm is reinforced." - Hesp.

This may not be quite the "gotcha!" that you seek. I suspect Fjordman's unstated assumption is that Western countries seeking to expel Muslims could in practice only do so if they adopted very hard and not necessarily fixed criteria of unacceptable Muslim behavior and then, upping the temperature, policed them rigorously for as long as it took to neutralize the threat entirely.

Rather akin to lighting a fire under a toxic brew and then continuously skimming off the volatile fractions until nothing but an inert sludge remained.

To sum up, it is very difficult to see how Islam, based on its existing texts, can be changed into something that is peaceful enough to be satisfactory from a non-Muslim point of view. It is a highly unpleasant thought that a religion with over a billion adherents worldwide is inherently violent and incompatible with a modern society

Fjodman's conclusion that it is highly unlikely, virtually impossible, for Islam to undergo a Christian styled 'Reformation' as experienced in 16th century Europe is largely correct. Islam, if brought to its pure origins is nothing like what Luther or Calvin, or later thinkers who helped strip the theocratic powers of the Catholic Church, envisioned in the image of Christ. Christ was a peaceful, loving being. Mohammad was a warlord, and his 'pure' origins are dictatorial and totalitarian in nature, so to go back to Islam's pure roots only reinforces what the Sharia and Jihad proponents preach; that it is their duty to impose the will of Allah on all non-believers, even against their will, with brutality if necessary. Where Christ taught peace and loving one's neighbor, Mohammad taught to fight the unbelievers until they all face and pray towards Mecca, or die.

However, this analysis is built up upon an underlying assumption, that Islamic Luther styled Reformation has to come from the top down. The idea proposed that the Islamic texts either be pruned of their violent teachings, or extended to better understanding these teachings in some non-violent way, underlines this assumption. So this is all 'top down' thinking. But there is another way Islam can have a Christian styled Reformation, only it has to come from the masses, from the bottom up, in a kind of universal revolution of ideas to trim the powers of Islamic theocracy and Sharia. It will not take a Garibaldi like figure to weaken Islam, the way the Vatican was weakened in the 19th century. But it will take a Luther or Calvin type leader to arouse the masses into popular revolt, more like the Orange Revolution, or a budding Green Revolution so quickly nipped in Iran, its youth movement against the present theocratic regime brutally defeated by the mullahs.

What's missing in the equation to defeat Islamic supremacism and its violent Jihad, including its Sharia, is mass momentum of the Muslim people against what Islam has become as a ne0-repressive, neo-regressive ideology that brutally suppresses any opposition to its world ambitions of total totalitarian authority over all the people to 'submit' to their theocratic powers without every raising criticism or serious intellectual inquiry as to what Islam represents. All totalitarian regimes do this, and often with violence. The public energy to fight this totalitarianism, from the bottom up, that will be necessary to engage such massive movements simply had not yet materialized in Muslim countries. Rather the opposite, where the poor masses, Gaza being prime example, had been kept repressed by channeling their grievance against the 'other' who is to blame: Israel, America, Western civilization, liberal morality, economic exploitation, memories of past European colonialism, the Crusades, etc. It is never Islam's fault, but always the other's fault that Muslim societies live under totalitarian oppressions and poverty. Somehow, they must preserve the myth that Islam is a great world religion, one of the three Abrahamic faiths, that once had a Golden Age; and the only reason they had yet failed to dominate the world is because of those 'others' who frustrate the natural historical outcome of what is to be in the Last Days, where they dominate. Of course, this is false, but it colors how Islamics think universally, both within their Sharia lands, as well as the lands they escaped to by coming to the West. This is true for both radical extremists as well as the sought after 'moderates' within Islam, that it is always the 'other' at fault, never their own defective ideology.

So the chances of a top down Reformation of Islam is nil. They short circuit that as soon as it gets started, because it violates their belief that they are right, and the rest of the world is wrong. Nothing in the Koran, nor even the Hadiths can change to ever initiate any kind of reform. So this leaves only the bottom up approach, which to date has not yet materialized. To give an example, we'd have to look at the 60's and the youth movements of the time who rebelled against authority, as well as their parents, in a kind of 'hippy' revolution that transformed the West into its present liberal form. I somehow can't imagine Iranian youth singing love songs and placing flowers into the gun barrels of their soldiers and militia, faces painted with peace signs, wearing tie-die clothing, and women doffing off their head scarves. Never mind the bras. It just hasn't happened in any Muslim country. Nor will it happen... unless their is a massive, universal change of heart by the people. If they want liberty, they will have to fight for it together as one. Anything lesser gets crushed immediately by the brutal theocratic powers.

But there is one slim glimmer of hope on this front to reform Islam. It would happen if for reasons unexpected there were massive defections out of Islam. This means that despite death fatwas, death threats to apostates, and imprisonment, torture, and the rape of women; despite all these obstacles, the masses exit in a mass Exodus out of Islam. Then, perhaps, the popular movement to unseat Theocracy of Islam, null its Sharia and Jihad, would gain enough strength, from the bottom up, to launch over time what will result in a true Reformation. Not to make Islam more like Mohammad's cruel 7th century cultish barbaric Warlord creed, but more like the liberal values of modern society. So not from the top down, but universally from the bottom up. And that will happen if Islam is weakened enough where modern minded reasonable people of Muslim origin begin to abandon it en mass. That can happen. I also secretly suspect that this is exactly what will happen. Then they can rewrite the texts, if they wish, if there is anything to rewrite left to bother with. Watch for when it happens. Modern pressures, the internet, free travel and communications, will all undo Islam in the end. Like Communism before it, it will fall off like the rotten fruit it really is.

Great article but not too encouraging. We don't seem to have many options to save ourselves, do we? Our ruling elites, including the judiciary, will never ban islam in the U.S., so the Constitution could very well end up being a suicide pact if it is not amended to protect us from islam and muslims. That isn't likely unless attitudes drastically change. The talking heads are still calling islam a religion of peace; every day I hear those words spoken by some idiot with a microphone.

Muslim women could revolt en masse and end islam's vicious tyranny for themselves and the rest of the world but they still haven't had enough of islam's subjugation, cruelty, and male superiority. The destruction of islam's 'holiest' symbols and shrines would probably kill islam, maybe not immediately but in time, but that would require a military strike by a goverment. Forget that. There are sensible solutions to the problem of islam and its followers but nobody is interested, at least nobody with the power and courage to do what has to be done. History will curse us for allowing muslims to invade the West.

One of Fjordman's better articles.

Hesperado,
Maybe we should take a strategic leaf from Islam, and recognize some benefits in a self-contradictory, slippery, good cop/bad cop approach for our own purposes: containing Islam. Maybe there are significant advantages to having "moderate" Islam-critics propose one strategy, while "radical" Islam-critics propose another (partly overlapping) strategy. The two strategies sometimes work together synergistically to advance non-Muslims forward in the information war.

The moderate strategy (in this context, I'll call Spencer and Fjordman "moderate,") while sometimes utterly sincere, also sometimes serves in "polite society" as a useful fig leaf to hide sympathies with a more radical strategy of total ejection and containment. That fig leaf will often allow a great deal more progress in the public debate than would direct and unvarnished speech.

The two strategies (say, with Spencer and his sympathizers at one end, and, for example, you and others at the other end) are only defined with respect to each other as well as with respect to still other opposing positions and need each other for the sake of self-understanding, and for other purposes. One sees, for example, an interesting collaboration between "moderate" Islam-critics and more "radical" Islam-critics in the opposition to the Ground Zero mosque. Radicals are camouflaged by moderates, and thus gain entry and some sort of influence in the mainstream debate. Reciprocally, moderates against dhimmification gain backup from radicals.

One often can't tell who is really moderate and who radical underneath the public statements against the mosque near Ground Zero. A great many Islam-critics are struggling to understand where to stand within the tension between moderate and radical Islam-critical strategies. In the struggle of the West with Islam, non-Muslims will inevitably have to live within the difficult tension between moderate and radical resistance strategies. On the one hand, we seek to maintain a moderate, i.e., liberal democratic form of government. On the other hand, we are resisting a radical totalitarianism, and that sometimes requires strategies that stretch almost to the breaking point ideals of liberal democratic governance. So we are caught again and again in the tension between "moderation" and "radicalization."

But then again, maybe you would think it best if all the "moderate" Islam-critics stopped imagining themselves "moderate" and instead adopted the strategy of the "radical" Islam-critics and stopped thinking that strategy radical.

Thanks to people like Fjordman, Robert Spencer and others, we know that Islam and Muslims are incompatible with Western societies. We know they are a dangerous fifth column in every Western country they settle in. WE know - but something happens to the information between putting it out on blogs like this, spreading it far and wide, and what comes back from the likes of those who govern us, whether in the US or in Europe. I can't remember if it's been said before, but I'm starting to believe there's a "Stepford Wives"-type programme of brainwashing that every politician or would-be politician has to undergo - and people like Mayor Bloomberg seem to have taken to it particularly well.

People blogging here have such helpful ideas to stop Islamisation in its tracks, and I've read so many posts on other blogs which chime with theirs. You are intelligent rational people - so now that the conclusion has been reached that yes, it's time to ask those in our countries who are actively seeking to end our way of life with violence - to leave: now we need the bridge between what we as electorates want and need, and what our useless governments think we want and need.

I've said this before - you in the US are extremely lucky in that you can be very vocal against Islamism. You're not wasting this right, either. I'm waiting for the time when we in Europe become so sick and tired of our untermenschen status in our own countries - we actually begin to do the same. I am becoming increasingly pessimistic that it will happen in my lifetime, but I'm sure I'm not alone in wanting a better society for my children to live in.

Susanp it would be well nigh impossible to empower Muslim women in this way. They've been conditioned to be slaves. Ayan Hirsi Ali, Wafa Sultan and others are in a minority, and for all their beating their chests and screaming "injustice" the useful idiots on the left are so busy trying to destroy Israel and incite anarchy they have no time to do anything really useful like this. They're full of bravado when they're picking on the rest of us.

Perhaps it's Islam's duality that needs to be dealt with once and for all, and Muslims made to realise that their Koran is deliberately confusing all the more to enslave them - it would be a start. What do you think, people?

We need a cold war against islam, where the enemy is clearly defined for the masses

Hesperado:

Ah, there's the loophole. Apparently, all Muslims who are not "sharia-sponsoring" are okay to remain in the West.

Once again, as I explained to you in the Zmirak thread, you're making an unwarranted assumption on the basis of the modifier.

Cordially
Robert Spencer

Actually, what our Western elites really want is an Islamic theological modernism analogous to the Christian theological modernism of the late 19th and early 2th centuries--the sort of religion that is all sweetness and light and ever ready to kowtow to whatever "science" (that tentative thingamijig) says. The last thing they want is another Luther or Calvin, or even another Zwingli or Tyndale. They want an Islamic Friederich Schleiermacher and a Harry Emerson Fosdick. Best of all, they want an Islam that is subservient to the liberal or socialist state. They want Islam to turn into a religion of gentle feelings stripped of its hard edges of doctrine.

Now, if those of you who know who Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, and Tyndale were, but say "Schleiermacher and Fosdick WHO?", I don't blame you. Christian theological modernism was shot to pieces in the First World War (except in America, which was spared the carnage), when Europe justifiably found it difficult to believe in sweetness, light, and uninterrupted progress once it saw the better part of a whole generation killed, and probably buried in the World War II; giving way to the neo-[or pseudo-]orthodox grumblings of Karl Barth and the Niebuhr brothers. But by the time America discovered these luminaries in the post-WWII era, liberalized churches had pretty much buried the Bible and Christian doctrine for both the general public and their own membership by making "fundamentalist" a curse. When all is said and done, liberalized religion can pretty much be ignored. There are many better ways to get in touch with the zeitgeist than wedding yourself to an institution that does all the running it can to remain a respectful five paces behind its cultured despisers.

Quite apart from the ugliness of Islamic doctrine and the utter hopelessness it offers a sin-sick world, at least some Muslim thinkers are aware of what theological modernism did to Christianity, and are probably alarmed at what it might do to their own religion.

A few things about the Christian Reformation's biblicism further underscore Fjordman's point.

Shortly before Henry VIII of England saw the light (or, got incensed at the Pope's bowing to Carlos Quinto's threat to burn Rome if the Pope didn't support dear Tia Katarina in her problems with her husband), William Tyndale, who Thomas More wanted to see burned at the stake for translating the Bible into English, wrote a little book entitled _The Obedience of a Christian_.

Tyndale notes that the indulgences which the Popes granted to Crusaders have no biblical warrant; and that Christ's weapons in the spread of the Gospel were the Word and Holy Spirit. Herein lies the tale.

The Qu'ran and Hadith are not the Old and New Testaments; and the decade or so in which Muhammad spoke the Qu'ran, plus the further decade between that and 'Umar's collation of Islam's scripture are a far cry from the millennia over which God called Abraham, guided Israel, sent M'shiach, and got the whole Bible from Genesis to Revelation written.
When all is said and done, the Qu'ran is an exhortation to a warlord's troops; the Bible (Old and New Testaments) is a long story of salvation and progressive unfolding of revelation. The return to the original texts in Islam and Christianity thus must end in completely different results.

Protestant Christians, knowing the origins of Christianity in a community of the powerless and the survival of the Jews in conditions of exile, can seek godliness in a world which they themselves do not rule. Muslims, having only a warlord's exhortations, must inevitably become violent when they recover their core texts.

Hence, the Western elites really need to shut up, abandon any attempt to police the Muslim conscience from the outside, and recognize that there is a great gulf between the Christian-informed West and the Dar-ul-Islam.

I am grateful to have read so many enlghtening responses to this highly informative article. I will add only a couple of comments regarding the final three paragraphs.

It is asked: "What, then, is to be done? In the short run, damage control. Islam needs to be caged and restrained as much as practically possible and Muslim Jihadists must be deprived of the financial and technological resources to harm us."

My question is why does our government still knowingly support the many Muslim NGO's such as the Gulen Movement, Fiesal Abdul Rauf and the Concordia Project (who recently left on an interfaith visit to Arab nations paid for by "our" tax dollars!) and not reduce the immense capital outlay that these affiliates have. Both of these men are members of the Muslim Botherhood. It doesn't make sense - I thought that we had terror watch lists. Perhaps we must re-define the word terror.

Secondly, I truly believe that their must be a general educational format devised for our public that emphasizes the underlying objectives of interfaith dialogue, tolerance, diversity, and moderate Islam. We must gain back our academics from Muslim sympathisers. As the Universities become liberal and tolerant per the teachings of the Muslim moderates our future becomes increasingly dominated by passivity.

This bothers me as I have had first hand experience with these sorts, with the Gulen Movement and academia. At first, I thought it was a cult. In a sense, I guess that it is, but I read a book by Jenny White about Political Islam and the Islamisation of Turkey and it made a grave impact which prompted me to further research. Ultimately, I have disassociated myself as much as possible from Gulen, although, I have been asked to present papers at conferences. My feelings were cemented after reading Ms. White's book and having visited Turkey on an interfaith trip the year prior. I can assure you that my suspicions about Turkey were highlighted during this trip as it was sponsored in kind by the Gulen Movement. What I saw was everything that they wanted me to see. What I heard was everything they wanted me to hear. What I believed was everything that I thought was true, until I read more and researched.

I am just thanking each of you for being involved in this cause. I believe that proactive reaction is better than reactiveness. But, I fear that until all Americans are on the same page, there is nothing short of an uphill battle to save what is left of our democratic freedom and the liberty that we know and love so well.

"The Qu'ran and Hadith are not the Old and New Testaments.."

But the Church of Holy Multiculturalism says that, for all practical purposes, they are.

This is the idea that I find to be unbelievably entrenched in the pysche of much of the West today. From my discussions, debates and arguments on this subject in other forums, this is the statement that it is hardest to disabuse people of, no matter the clarity, logic, substantiation and volume of arguments to the contrary. The concept of cultural relativism has pervaded our civilization to an utterly depressing degree.

Fjordman is a very analytical scholar. What I get from this article is that the only strategy that is going to work is the one used at the Battle of Tours in 732 or the Defense of Vienna in 1683 -- All the West should rise up and beat them back into their Seventh Century caves. Of course, this won't happen because our leadership is blind.
The existing problem that so frustrates us is two-fold. 1) The truth about the nature of the threat and what needs to be done about it is known only by conservatives (here in the USA) who are so despised by the liberals running our society that the liberals refuse to listen or to learn anything from us. 2) The liberals fancy themselves very savvy in getting their guidance from genuine experts -- "moderate Muslims" themselves, from whom our liberals get their daily fill of Taqqiyya. In my opinion, our only hope is to get all the Liberals out of office and "let none but Americans stand guard tonight."
If we must die, we'll die with our boots on.
One more thing: tens of thousands of Muslims are being converted to Christianity in the Middle East. If this move goes far enough, it could change the future. Islam is countering with serious exiling and slaughtering of Christians in many Muslim countries. Our State Department casts a blind eye.

Hesperado: Islam is meaningless without sharia. What I stated above implicitly means that pretty much all believing, practicing Muslims need to leave the West. An intelligent and honest observer would have to conclude that from my writings.

Entrenched in the Left's psyche...

Yes, that's the problem. We have to keep making that point over and over, that not all Sacred books are created equal.

Religious freedom can not be the freedom to practise whatever one's religious teaching demands. Religious teachings that subvert the foundations of the liberal-democratic should not have a right to organise themselves. Not the Qur'an itself but any cult association based thereon should be banned. Brandishing of islamic symbols should be treated in the same way as brandishing of swastikas has been treated in Germany after 1945. This is perfectly within the logic of liberal constitutions and probalby does not even require changes of those constitutions. Rather it requires a further process of education.

If the followers of Islam continues to follow the old dictats of Mohammad, it shall continue to terrorize the world. What Islam needs today is a complete revisionism. Mohammad was not the last Prophet of Islam. Hope they realize that to integrate with the civilized world they have have to shun the the path of Muhammad. His path of violence, terror and rape doesnot fit into the civilized world.

MBR,

"Western countries seeking to expel Muslims could in practice only do so if they adopted very hard and not necessarily fixed criteria of unacceptable Muslim behavior and then, upping the temperature, policed them rigorously for as long as it took to neutralize the threat entirely."

The problem with that scenario is that it tends to ignore our concrete situation, where the West is not ready to limit Muslim infiltration into the West nor the continued demographic, sociopolitical and institutional aggrandizement of Muslims within the West -- and likely will not be ready even to begin questioning it in a significant way for years, if not decades. Even a few more successful attacks by Muslims in various places in the West over the next few decades will likely not accelerate this excruciatingly slow pace of waking up: the threshold for a rational response to such attacks is set irrationally high, and Muslims would probably have to inflict a colossal degree of casualties and destruction of infrastructure to get the attention of the PC-MC-imbued West.

Thus, in this context, over the next few decades, through continued immigration, "cultural exchanges", and population increase of Muslims in the West, your scenario would likely play out as a grand -- and grandly tragic -- variation on the old saying: Closing the barn door after the horse has escaped. In this case, however, it will be Closing the barn door after the wolves have gotten in. Indeed, even if we were rational enough to wake up now and begin to implement harsh measures against Muslims, it would likely arouse violence from innumerable numbers among the millions of Muslims already in the West now. The situation will only be costlier, messier and bloodier in the more realistic situation that the West won't be ready to do what it needs to do for another few decades.

Fjordman,

"Hesperado: Islam is meaningless without sharia. What I stated above implicitly means that pretty much all believing, practicing Muslims need to leave the West. An intelligent and honest observer would have to conclude that from my writings."

More qualifiers. Now we have "pretty much all believing, practicing Muslims". Pray tell how many non-believing, non-practicing Muslims exist? Where are they? How do you identify them? What's the point of qualifying them thusly? And more importantly, how would we be sure they really are such in the terms that matter?

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