Time mag asks: "Are the French taking secularism too far?"

It's hard to imagine Time ever asking this in regard to Christianity in public life, in any country. No, this, they ask, because French secularism keeps butting heads with Islam. Never mind the screaming double standard. Some belief systems, after all, are "more equal than others."

Do they pepper in other examples? Yes. But would this article have been written if not for the demands of Islam on French society? Unlikely. "Are the French Taking Secularism Too Far?" from Time, August 23:

For most of the 105 years it's been in force, France's secularity law has endeavored to segregate private religious belief from the strictly agnostic sphere of public life -- usually without too much friction. But that relative harmony has given way to tension and conflict in recent years, as secularists have turned their attention to the spreading influence of Islam, now France's second largest faith.
Whereas secularism -- or laïcité -- traditionally sought to create a wall between religious expression and the public domain, critics claim its defenders have become far more militant. In some cases, that's creating a zero-sum showdown in which France's secularists, who dominate public life and debate, are exhibiting a quasi-evangelical zeal in imposing the values of laïcité on the private observance of religious minorities, particularly Muslims. [...]

Private observance? You'd think the French were going into people's homes and raiding the niqab drawer. No, this debate is about the imposition of Islamic law and sensibilities on public life. Anyway, for good measure, Time throws in a link inviting readers to:

(See pictures of Muslim modernity.)
The most controversial example of secularism's evolution is the pending French law to ban full-body coverings like the burqa and niqab, whose final passage is expected in October. But that headline-grabbing measure (which will affect only an estimated 370 to 2,000 women) was preceded by the 2004 prohibition of headscarves being worn by Muslim women in public schools. More recently, pundits, bloggers and others have entered a loud public debate over whether the serving of halal beef by fast-food outlets is also a violation of laïcité. Meanwhile, militants of extreme right- and left-wing groups have banded together under the banner of secularity to stage public gatherings in which attendants eat pork sausage and sip wine -- an attempt, organizers say, to send Muslims the message that their religion won't be tolerated within the tableau of French daily life.

A gross mischaracterization and oversimplification. See prior coverage of those events here and here.

That leads us to another fun Time sidebar:

(See pictures of what people eat around the world.) [...]

Later, as the article winds up for the big finish, one must question again whether this article would have been written, or if Diallo's organization would be so miffed, for the sake of anything other than Islam:

To some observers, such protests sound a lot like secular fundamentalism. "As secularists become more militant, their arguments have gotten less rational and have begun to ring with the righteous conviction you usually associate with religious forces they oppose," says Rokhaya Diallo, founder of Les Indivisibles, an association that celebrates the diversity of modern France. "My perception of secularity has always been one of protection, of the state and society defending individuals and minority religions from coercion. Now we frequently see the opposite at work."

But wait...

(See pictures of Paris expanding.)

Okay, now!

Both Diallo and secularism expert Baubérot attribute the trend to rising secularist concern about the spread of Islam's influence. That feeling, Diallo laments, has led "people from politicians to ordinary citizens to recognize secularity as an alibi to express increasingly Islamophobic attitudes." Baubérot says this is mostly a reaction to France's wider worries about where its society is headed -- so it uses the tradition of secularity to respond to what it regards as the challenge posed by Islam. Only time will tell whether France can establish with Islam the happy balance it generally maintains with other faiths -- or whether laïcité will become synonymous with the state's interference in how Muslims practice their faith....

Whether Muslims can practice their faith is not at issue -- all five pillars are eminently untouched. What is at issue is Islam's ability to impose itself and its strictures onto French life and society, including the practice of full veiling, and the imposition of halal meat on people who didn't ask for it. The article speaks of France's "happy balance" with other beliefs, but Islamic laws demand so much more in the way of accommodation.

As the great non-Frenchman Oliver Wendell Holmes once said: "Your right to swing your fist ends at the tip of my nose."

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Well, let's have some fun and see how liberal leftist comedian Bill Maher takes on the question of Islam vs other religions:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sI-TNg4YH-Q&annotation_id=annotation_108758&feature=iv

France has had its fair share of muslim riots. The French are sick and tired of it. They understand that appeasement is not working. The French are not just talking tough. They are acting tough. This is why Sarkozy won the presidential election.

France, England and now America. The Muslims will always seek to dominate public space in the lands they invade.

The Ground Zero Victory Mosque is just the latest example of a process of domination of public space that has been going on for years in the West, and centuries in lands conquered by Islam: http://crombouke.blogspot.com/2010/01/muslim-domination-of-public-space.html

Had Hitler declared himself a prophet like mahound/the black cube/allah, would TIME ever asked if Sir Winston Churchill's "naziphobia" was being taken too far during WW2?

(See pictures of Muslim modernity.)

"Modern" Islam... No other religion has to be distinguished as "modern". Let's check a few pictures (all emphasis mine):

Picture #1 - Masked women take a break after shopping...

In "modern" islam, women still have to completely cover themselves for fear of enticing muslim men into immoral thoughts or behavior. The 'modernity' is that they now get to take breaks while shopping, rather than rushing home to her male master.

Picture #3 - An engaged couple enjoys a chaperoned visit.

Unchaperoned visits result in the woman being buried up to her shoulders and pelted with stones until she is dead. The 'modernity'? Hmmm, you got me there. I guess it that pictures are now allowed.

Picture #4 - 'This town is renowned for the quality of its carpets.'

Of course, the picture has nothing to do with carpets, just the 'modernity' of women hidden under sheets...

Picture #5 - Razanne dolls are a Muslim-American alternative to Barbie.

OHHH! Real muslim modernity! Burka covered barbie dolls! Thank goodness Ken won't be lured into immoral behavior!

In a few decades, muslims might even have barbies with exposed hair!

Picture #7 - On Martyr's Day, Hizballah's al-Mahdi scouts vow to commit themselves to martyrdom.

More 'muslim modernity' - children being trained to become martyrs..

Picture #9 - During a daytime curfew, Israeli soldiers patrol the streets, as a Palestinian man is pushed in a makeshift wheelchair.

You know the editors of TIME just HAD to slip this one in the "Muslim Modernity" picture gallery... Does the Gaza Mall have makeshift wheelchair ramps?

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If this is muslim "modernity", islam has a LONG way to go.

Bruce Crumley should pick up a history book now and then - he's embarrassing himself.

The French have been strident about their secularism since the Revolution. it would be news if they started acting otherwise.

The French will probably be the first country to engage in civil war in an attempt to oust these people for good. Good luck to them.

I think Time mag should let the citizens of a secular and democratic European country make their own decisions, based on what they sincerely believe to be the best, the most true, the most honest expression of liberty and fairness.

Do not resist!

Isn't that what this "journalistic" class of half-wits is saying, beneath all of pious piffle and smarmy slander?

Would the gay-hating church {the "God hates fags!" loons) get such a pandering pass by these ignorant Islamophiles if those pseudo-Christian crackpots had millions of followers and demanded ritual accomodations by a secular nation?

Of course not.

The Time types side with Islam because the pedophile "prophet"'s goal is their goal: to destroy the West.

I wish these Time weasels would just be honest about their clandestine allegiance to promoting a totalitarianism that suits their self-loathing goal.

Time mag asks: "Are the French taking secularism too far?"
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*Of course* they never would have asked this in reference to Christianity.

France, where Muslims are 8% of the population and growing, where the Banlieus ring major cities with "no-go" zones, and it has now become a "tradition" to torch cars and riot in the streets—trying to ban the burqa, or minarets in neighboring Switzerland, are just small, desperate attempts to hold the line of civilization.

But Time Magazine is having none of that—and, after years of slobbering over how much more "advanced" the Europeans are than crude, benighted Americans, they are now more than willing to castigate them for their excessive "secularism", at least when it comes to the encroachment of Islam.

Time Magazine is obsessed with defending Islam. First, it was "Does America Have a Muslim Problem?" Then it was "Is America Islamophobic?" And the latest being "Are the French Taking Secularism Too Far?"

Is Time Magazine owned or controlled by Muslim interests? Follow the money...

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